I saw someone wearing a HubNut hat yesterday. He was riding a bike so maybe he owns several cars but none of them work. That would be very HubNut wouldn't it?
It's the first thing I'd do, trace the wiring for that and put it back to stock before any more head scratching. The Selmar's just interrupt everything electrical, there was nothing too high tech about the means they used to immobilise.
Carl Jackson late 80s early 90s anything car wise got nicked, original owner could have had the alarm fitted because the insurance told him to, could have been a dealer option, who knows?
I would steal one. Just to see if I could get it going. I did consider buying a new one when they were current, but ended up buying a one-year-old non-turbo diesel ZX instead. In Alpine White naturally!
A woman standing in an unheated lock up watching and helping you tinker with an obscure Eastern European car. Ms HubNut is either a keeper, or slightly unhinged like yourself! ;-) Either way, bravo!!!
The reason you've got so many wires to the coil and distributor is because there's what's called an ignition amplifier in the circuit, which replaces the points and uses a hall effect sensor in the distributor to trigger the amp to fire the coil. It's the same as on my Mk2 golf. The thing is, if you wire something up wrong or put power to the wrong place, you're liable to burn the amp out. You're right of course, you do need a wiring diagram, but you also need to investigate that alarm further and see where its wires go, because as others have said, there may well be a kill switch or immobiliser. You'll get this, don't worry! I'm up to my neck in wiring for my beetle cause I ended up removing the entire harness to repair it!
Brilliant technique for turning the engine over. I never thought of that. Thanks Iain. Just had a look on the net for wiring diags of the Sana/Florida. I see what you mean...
When you see one of the little Hubnuts with the fire extinguisher you know it's going to be a Hubnut moment.... At least we know it's got life in it! Excellent tinkering video.
Trace the alarm wiring, assuming it isn't already disconnected they normally interrupt critical connections, if you follow the wires it should be obvious how to reconnect the original cables to bypass it.
Clamp meter handy also earth tester. Try and track the wires back from the engine bay to the ignition for rodent damage I assume pre ECU?? No aftermarket immobiliser or indeed inertia switches? Contact cleaner on the fusebox and check the connections on the rear of the fusebox for verdigris and rotten wires. Check all relays, clean and reseat. Basically the above is what I ran through on a Range Rover recently and identified a defective relay and a rotten feed from the starter solenoid to the ECU.
80's Argos car alarm.... Yeh they were pants when new, let alone 30yrs later. I seem to remember 2 green wires going into those alarms is the Ign cut. Just join the greens together.
You bypassed the starter wiring, now you know: -The engine turns over --cilinders have compression - starter + starter solenoid work - you can power up the dash. I have not seen any investigation into that car alarm. That usually works by disableing the starter solenoid , power to ignition and power to electric fuelpump and any fuelvalve on the carb. Inside those old alarm units there is often a battery to provide the alarm with some power in case a thief disconnects the big car battery. Those small alarm system batteries go bad over time which may contribute to this no start condition. I think you should try to completely bypass that alarm module and then see what happens.
@@alanhunter2051 So was I!, The selmar alarms were equipped with an immobiliser circuit where you hid a switch inside the cabin. & that ignition coil looks very much like what the early astras/cavaliers used to use.
Have'nt been able to take my eyes off that alarm since the start of the video. Don't think it's a case of "great minds think alike",my mind is far from being great.
@@k1ckyscotland988 i have had too many cars in the past with those bloody alarms & when it was a windy night you got no sleep as the pendulum inside it (movement sensor) wouldn't stop swinging!!.
This represents the reality of trying to get an old car to run a lot of the time. It's great when you can get something to run with a minimum of work, but it's not always like that. But progress is progress. It's turning over now. That's a huge part of the process.
@@Pfirtzer OOOOOOOOOOO A bit touchy mate, he was just having a joke, maybe your not used to HubNut videos but there is a lot light hearted piss taking, don't take it to serious. AND we make some good quality Nissans in Britain ( - ;
Futher to what I said, It looks like the plug going in has two wires going out to the distributor one going to what looks like some sort of relay box as it has the alternator charge wire and power from the stater connection on it and a final connection that splits into two wires that may be to power something else not directly related to the sparking circuit. The coil looks to earth via the body bolts. I think the wire going to the relay box is your postive feed in. Also looks like the distributor body has an earth via the engine block.
There's an aftermarket Selmar DIY car alarm on the Sana. It could have an interrupter on the ignition system - working a bit like an immobiliser. I had a similar Harry Moss - an equivalent level of 80's junk. The alarm is probably FUBAR y now and could have been installed by a 17 year old. I strongly suggest ripping it out and the associated wiring - there's about 12 wires that go everywhere and are likely held in with Scotchlocks. Scotchlocks on old fragile car wiring might well be hiding a broken wire. Love the channel, keep it up.
Hi Ian a good start, the wipe works, and you got some dash lights to come on, and it turns over, so that is some progress, I like the young hubnut standing with the fire extinguisher radey behind you, keep up the persevering, you may get a brain wave when you lest expect to... All the best to you all..
Ian, a power probe is your friend. Handy for applying power and earth to various electrical components to bypass broken/corroded wires. Some power probes will allow you to test electrical components off the car. At least the engine turns over freely. I've had a look on the Wikipedia entry for the Sana and it is the same as the Tipo under the skin so that might be of help. It was also known as the Florida and is related to the Strada/Ritmo.
I would check with your friend that has sent you the manual to see how his wiring is compared to your wiring. Make sure your coil is ok as well. One step at a time. I have faith in you. Glad to see your family is with you.
I'm not entirely sure, but as the engine and some components are the same, maybe the wiring has something in common with the mk1 Tipo 1.4. It should be easy to get hold of a diagram for the Tipo and to check if there is some similarity or even if it is the pretty much the same. Also not very sure, but the ignition switch might be shared with the Tipo/Tempra or other Fiat models of the era.
ian the ignition wiring will be a combination of those wires together to get power to the coil/ ignition system some of those electronic systems can be damaged by hot wiring then might be better to get the correct ignition switch to get it running
Love the optimism , assistant ready with the fire extinguisher , that is over planning for Hub Nut 😁 . Awaiting the next exciting saga of the Hugo (Boss) . Thanks
Meanwhile, we Americans are reminded that Yugo made cars other than the Yugo GV The Yugo in USA met the same fate as other small cars in USA do: they were almost always treated by their owners as disposable, and were neglected accordingly. :o(
I am only an amateur auto electrician, but I am a professional electronics engineer. When there is no schematic available, I am following the reverse engineering route. Apply logic. There is permanent power (30), switched power (15) and power for the accessories (75). You have managed to find the switched power already on the ignition barrel. Usually there is consistency in wire colours. You have a rudimentary schematic of the ignition system, if there are numbers on the schematic you cannot explain, this document might help: www.bosch-classic.com/media/en/bosch_classic/teile_1/switches/downloads_3/klemmenbezeichnungen.pdf (Only the filename is in a language you don't master, the rest is in English) Dammit. Wish I was there, I could have a field day, running wires, checking voltages. But you'll manage. Oh, what the others said, throw the immobiliser out.
Hi Ian, is the alarm still connected in the middle of the bulkhead? This can interrupt the main power to the ignition. If you can get a wiring diagram for a FIAT TIPO, this will help you on your way, it all looks the same, even the workshop manual is the same style as for FIAT, I recognize this from the time I was a mechanic at a FIAT- garage (long ago).
I quite liked the Sana back in the day. At the time, I was quite surprised to learn that it used the underpinnings of a mk1 Fiat Tipo...of which I drove at the time. Maybe looking at a mk1 Tipo may help with electrical stuff?
HUBNUT !!!! Check the alarm !!! I had some old Selmar alarms fitted , if memory serves they were either a "blipper" OR a keypad. They were designed to cut the ignition circuit to prevent the car starting ... Check that first ...Good luck !
I have a feeling with all those cutoff switches and faffy things it is likely cutting spark without the ignition barrel, likely fuel as well, (could even be some immobilizer shenanigans since you're hotwiring it) so until we can emulate the signals the ignition barrel sends to whichever wire, i feel you're at a point where you're stuck, perhaps it would be best to order in a Yugo Sana ignition barrel and matching key? The boot and doors can use the old one if you even have it, what a joy to see the dash light up though! exciting times.
Watched this on my tachograph break whilst out delivering hats off your auto electric skills are extremely excellent 🤓 mr furious had to call in the cavalry to get quinten to start 😂 hope you get this going in the long term 👍 😀 👏 👌 😉 excellent video mr Seabrook you got patience 🤓 also got my t shirts 👕 and 🎩 hats today extremely excellent mr hubnut will send you something 🤓👍👍👍
If you cross reference Unipart GCL175 or Intermotor 12601 it brings up your coil pack. £12 was the cheapest i've found with a quick search. But also a list of what its on including the Fiat Tipo, you can soon get the wiring diagram for that so at least you would know where the wires in the plug go. Also there in a breakers in the west country listing some bit for one on the bay of e at the moment. Hope this helps.
Don't give up on it please, I really hope you succeed in getting it back on the road. And I loved Miss Hubnuts "fiery death" comment, she's more Hubnut then you are 🤣
For the ignition...that SELLMAR Car Alarm is the problem. That is the model "Double Pendulum" that has double kill switch, immobilizer key, driver and passenger door switch. For that reason you haven't spark... Probably the pendulum switch is disabled, for that reason it doesn't make noises. But the immobilizer... Still works
Well it's nice to see a small amount of progress on the Sana. Also that Miss Hubnut was your assistant. I hope that you will be able to find a wiring diagram for the Sana. Keep up with the good videos & content.
I'm wondering if the aftermarket alarm might be disabling the ignition circuit. My Cavalier SRi broke down many years ago and actually blew the aftermarket alarm to bits. A quick lash up with a bypass wire fixed it.
Okay, some real progress here - dash lights are a good start! The alarm looks like it's already been chopped out of circuit but I would at least take it off the bulkhead if only to see if there are any surreptitious wires heading from it out of sight towards the fusebox which could cause problems. The ignition coil unit reminds me a lot of Honda's "ignition amplifiers" from the past, which were notorious for dying. Obviously it'll need power (one lead), one or maybe two wires to the distributor to power and/or pick up the output from whatever type of sensor is in there (Hall Effect or optical) plus maybe a ground and if the car has one, an output to a rev counter. At one point I did wonder if the earthy end of the HT winding of the coil is returned via a sensing resistor to detect if it is in fact sparking but that's something you usually see in cars with a full-blown injection system and an ECU (this is done to switch off injectors to stop cylinder washdown). If nothing else, a small test lamp will prove that power is getting to that ignition coil/module and you might need to trace wires from it to the distributor. I'm getting cautiously optimistic here...
ua-cam.com/video/KXLDtiDF1Wk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=YUGOAustralia This is one of two Yugo's that made it to Australia as a factory test vehicles for AU market :D
“To those waiting with bated breath for Hubnut to ditch the 'Yugo', I have only one thing to say: You go [YUGO] if you want to. The Yugo’s not for going!”
Can remember my old man leaving the oil filler cap off his old cavalier.He got the engine steam cleaned and the alarm kept on going off for a few days and nights afterwards sounding like a drowning sparrow😂
Isn't that just an old Selmar alarm? I fitted a lot of those, don't remember them having any sort of Imobiliser on them?? Usually they worked on the door light switches and they had a pendulum to sense movement of the car.. The trick of a decent install was trying to hide the key switch rather than drilling the bodywork. I score 9/10 for replacing the passenger door lock with one on my Alfasud sprint and a 10/10 for fitting one in the dummy 2nd tank filler neck on my mini, of course I needed a key to remove the fuel cap on the dummy neck and then the key to work the alarm key switch, faffing was more in fashion back then .
It might be worth checking the electrics with a multi-meter, as low voltages can prevent ignition just as much as no voltage will, and you will at least be able to establish whether a circuit is working or not. Just separating connectors, cleaning them up, and then reconnecting them could make a big difference. Good luck with it.
I recognise the tone in Miss HubNuts voice when she says 'Absolutely thrilling, darling', very much resembles my wife's reaction to when I tell her anything about cars (well, when I get a response at all!).
Listening to the cranking sounds near the end of the video, you have a cylinder with no compression. Id do a compression test on all 4 cylinders. I'd also look for a ballast resistor, or blown fusible link or fuse for the main power lead to the fuse box.
Mrs Hubnut must love it Ian when you say “We’re going out for the day” and you take 2 minutes up road to a Shed full of dirty , greasy, oily old cars 😂, I bet she is standing there in her Sunday best dressed up to the nines and so so HAPPY she didn’t go Christmas shopping . Nice video as always 👍🏻😉
Very exciting times and that’s a very nicr start. However, that fuel cutoff makes me wonder how it works because there is always fuel in the bowl of the carburettor, isn’t it? Very excited about this car. Please don’t rev it like you did on the Charade! Have a nice weekend.
What i find astounding about Mr Hubnut is that he manages to keep me watching him working on cars that are absolute shite. I remember back in the day, hiring one of these monstrosities for £15 a day back in the early 90's. It was an absolute pile of scrap and it was brand new then.
If its got a very basic points only ignition system, put battery positive on the opposite side of the coil from the distributor. That will give you a spark.
I noticed as you panned out with the video that there was an alarm box ,is that disconnected from the system the old alarm systems were notorious for messing up cars when they went wrong as I found to my detriment many years ago.
L O V E the Sana. So so so rare, and so so much a errr.."connosseur" motorcar, if you get my point, so hat off to you Sir, for picking out the finest and rarer things in life! It takes fine taste as well as a certain amount of bravado to fiddle with such a gem.
If it’s essentially a Fiat Tipo engine would it not have the Magneti Marelli ignition system from the Tipo? If so it should be easier to get wiring diagrams. There used to be a Haynes manual for the Tipo. I had one for my 1.4DGT. Unfortunately I don’t think I still have the book.
Enjoyable video. Engine turns over, but no spark. It's got me thinking. Is there anyway to test/bench test the coil. Its a complicated looking coil, is there anyway to employ a simpler coil. This is getting interesting. Looking forward to more on this.
Ian if you need anything for the Sana, maybe I can help you out. There are still quite a lot of parts for the Sana/Florida here in Serbia.
Voja, wiring diagram maybe?
@@zarkodevalle1842 cable loom while you're at it :-D
Just send him one that works 😁
Probably the parts they forgot to fit
You see ! Even the folk in Serbia don't even want them / Just send him everything you got Voka 🙄
I saw someone wearing a HubNut hat yesterday. He was riding a bike so maybe he owns several cars but none of them work. That would be very HubNut wouldn't it?
Or he has a unit and is getting one of his cars, because the one he uses daily is in for MOT repairs.
Excellent.....!!!
Did the bike have stabilizers ? 😂 if not it would of been a three wheeler 🤣
I ride a bike, not through choice, my car is knackered!
@@2760ade I so hope you wear your hubnut beanie 🤣
absolutely thrilling darling -- we need a series of 'sayings of Miss Hubnut' tea towels
Why stop there, Ian has plenty of nutisms. Triangle if doom, keep fit windows, I am an idiot, why didn't I farm this job out, I need tea etc.😁
@@dean237 Area of disappointment
Like,” oh no dear not another car!”
Just a thought but, does the Selmer alarm unit include an immobiliser? 80's alarm systems were somewhat disastrous. Ask me how I know.
Agreed.
@@paulgodman7939 I think the car will not start because it is immobilised by the alarm. ie won't get a spark so no spark.
@@ukulelewizard6392 Thats what I said...........
It's the first thing I'd do, trace the wiring for that and put it back to stock before any more head scratching. The Selmar's just interrupt everything electrical, there was nothing too high tech about the means they used to immobilise.
Carl Jackson late 80s early 90s anything car wise got nicked, original owner could have had the alarm fitted because the insurance told him to, could have been a dealer option, who knows?
As others have said, that alarm could be the culprit. Rip it out. Not like anyone is going to steal the Sana.
Handy Hint. You can bypass all the wiring by supplying 12 volts direct to the coil from the battery.
Back in the 80’s these were just noise makers with no form of immobiliser turned on and off with a key switch
Apparently these old alarms had a separate key to arm/disarm the unit. Maybe there's a mystery key slot in the car somewhere?
I was going to say "damn I really shouldn't scroll down and spoil things for myself" but lets be honest, the fact it didn't run isn't a spoiler... 😂
I would steal one. Just to see if I could get it going. I did consider buying a new one when they were current, but ended up buying a one-year-old non-turbo diesel ZX instead. In Alpine White naturally!
Ian, according to UA-cam's captions you're trying to get Hugo's sauna running! I found the image that sprang into mind quite amusing.
A woman standing in an unheated lock up watching and helping you tinker with an obscure Eastern European car. Ms HubNut is either a keeper, or slightly unhinged like yourself! ;-) Either way, bravo!!!
The reason you've got so many wires to the coil and distributor is because there's what's called an ignition amplifier in the circuit, which replaces the points and uses a hall effect sensor in the distributor to trigger the amp to fire the coil. It's the same as on my Mk2 golf. The thing is, if you wire something up wrong or put power to the wrong place, you're liable to burn the amp out. You're right of course, you do need a wiring diagram, but you also need to investigate that alarm further and see where its wires go, because as others have said, there may well be a kill switch or immobiliser. You'll get this, don't worry! I'm up to my neck in wiring for my beetle cause I ended up removing the entire harness to repair it!
When it was turning over with the plugs in I found myself chanting "come on sana..... come on sana"
Do you think she would appreciate it?
My money is on the cruddy old Selmar alarm on the firewall. Make it disappear lol
Agree it's got to go
Well done that man by persevering. I didn't think the engine would even turn - so that's positive progress.
Brilliant technique for turning the engine over. I never thought of that. Thanks Iain.
Just had a look on the net for wiring diags of the Sana/Florida. I see what you mean...
It's not locked up, it's got compression, it's got idiot lights, it's got a wiper. Signs of life. I call that progress!
Might get some ideas from Frankenstein or The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Children standing by with a fire extinguisher - all good times
Catches fire kids move forward to put it out,miss hubnut shouting no no let it burn!!
Visible through a dirty windscreen.... no triangle of doom visible.
What could possibly go wrong...
no thats for them to hit himm with if he doesnt get it running (joke ian)
@@johndilloway9762 dont forget to insure it first.
I had a Yugo GVX in the States years ago...(Tarted up Zastava Koral with a 1.3l engine) and it was reliable as rain....loved that little car....
I'm absolutely loving the videos on the Sana. Really looking forward to seeing how this project progresses!
I see a box there with label "Car Alarm" this might disable the ignition also.
When you see one of the little Hubnuts with the fire extinguisher you know it's going to be a Hubnut moment.... At least we know it's got life in it! Excellent tinkering video.
Let's hope it's not another Slowburner 🤞
The concern though is that is it a hubnut fire extinguisher ? You might have a fire but will the extinguisher start - watch next week folks !
Trace the alarm wiring, assuming it isn't already disconnected they normally interrupt critical connections, if you follow the wires it should be obvious how to reconnect the original cables to bypass it.
One small step for Hubnut, one giant leap for the Sana
Really nice to see a video on the Yugo and all the better with Miss HubNut assisting.
You are fast becoming a Mother Theresa figure for cars that have lost all hope?? Your enthusiasm is infectious👍🏼
A other Theresa for the cars... you just killer me ! 😊
😆
@@Phil-1969 As long as its just his enthusiasm that's infectious 😉
The dash lights look quite exciting. Something oddly classic about that car!
I know exactly how you feel you don't want it to beat you, keep at it. As soon as I saw that alarm I thought I'd try by passing that. Good luck 👍
Clamp meter handy also earth tester. Try and track the wires back from the engine bay to the ignition for rodent damage I assume pre ECU??
No aftermarket immobiliser or indeed inertia switches?
Contact cleaner on the fusebox and check the connections on the rear of the fusebox for verdigris and rotten wires.
Check all relays, clean and reseat.
Basically the above is what I ran through on a Range Rover recently and identified a defective relay and a rotten feed from the starter solenoid to the ECU.
80's Argos car alarm.... Yeh they were pants when new, let alone 30yrs later. I seem to remember 2 green wires going into those alarms is the Ign cut. Just join the greens together.
As much as I enjoy all your videos....watching the Sana try and come back to life is genuinely exciting stuff
You bypassed the starter wiring, now you know:
-The engine turns over
--cilinders have compression
- starter + starter solenoid work
- you can power up the dash.
I have not seen any investigation into that car alarm.
That usually works by disableing the starter solenoid , power to ignition and power to electric fuelpump and any fuelvalve on the carb.
Inside those old alarm units there is often a battery to provide the alarm with some power in case a thief disconnects the big car battery. Those small alarm system batteries go bad over time which may contribute to this no start condition.
I think you should try to completely bypass that alarm module and then see what happens.
I had a camouflage jacket once Ian. Took it off, couldn’t find it again.
3:55 Me every time I buy a neglected car and look in the engine bay.
The Sana is your most interesting car, hope you get it on the road in the foreseeable future.
Excellent progress. Lack of wiring diagram and an aftermarket alarm will make for a challenge, but it shouldn't be too tricky to figure out. Hopefully
There's life in the Yugo yet! I was wondering what was going on with it. Hope we see life in the engine very soon. Good luck.
Is that alarm connected in any way? Might have an immobiliser?
I was just going to say that.
@@alanhunter2051 So was I!, The selmar alarms were equipped with an immobiliser circuit where you hid a switch inside the cabin. & that ignition coil looks very much like what the early astras/cavaliers used to use.
Have'nt been able to take my eyes off that alarm since the start of the video. Don't think it's a case of "great minds think alike",my mind is far from being great.
alarm on a sana !!! is that so if anybody nicks it when the alarm goes off everybody knows who the local village idiot is.
@@k1ckyscotland988 i have had too many cars in the past with those bloody alarms & when it was a windy night you got no sleep as the pendulum inside it (movement sensor) wouldn't stop swinging!!.
Ian that was brilliant at least it turned over great stuff can't wait to hear it run
This represents the reality of trying to get an old car to run a lot of the time. It's great when you can get something to run with a minimum of work, but it's not always like that. But progress is progress. It's turning over now. That's a huge part of the process.
Enjoyed this, great to see your helpers, especially the fire expert.
I liked the Woodard bit at the end, got a giggle out of that
Lol! Like the scene ,when one of the kids holding the fire extinguisher at the back
Ian, some Fiats of that era had fusible links in the rotor arm. Check for a spark using the coil HT lead
A manual for a yugo sounds a good swap
The Yogo manual is much like the car useless falling apart and not much to it. 😂
@@Jaxs2 Just like the car industry in Britain all bullocks and no quality. Overblown British ego.
@@Pfirtzer OOOOOOOOOOO A bit touchy mate, he was just having a joke, maybe your not used to HubNut videos but there is a lot light hearted piss taking, don't take it to serious. AND we make some good quality Nissans in Britain ( - ;
@@Pfirtzer Touched a nerve there I think 😉 / I'm sure Ian will let you have the manual back if you ask him nicely. Lol 😆🤣😂
Futher to what I said, It looks like the plug going in has two wires going out to the distributor one going to what looks like some sort of relay box as it has the alternator charge wire and power from the stater connection on it and a final connection that splits into two wires that may be to power something else not directly related to the sparking circuit. The coil looks to earth via the body bolts. I think the wire going to the relay box is your postive feed in. Also looks like the distributor body has an earth via the engine block.
There's an aftermarket Selmar DIY car alarm on the Sana. It could have an interrupter on the ignition system - working a bit like an immobiliser. I had a similar Harry Moss - an equivalent level of 80's junk. The alarm is probably FUBAR y now and could have been installed by a 17 year old. I strongly suggest ripping it out and the associated wiring - there's about 12 wires that go everywhere and are likely held in with Scotchlocks. Scotchlocks on old fragile car wiring might well be hiding a broken wire.
Love the channel, keep it up.
Hi Ian a good start, the wipe works, and you got some dash lights to come on, and it turns over, so that is some progress, I like the young hubnut standing with the fire extinguisher radey behind you, keep up the persevering, you may get a brain wave when you lest expect to... All the best to you all..
Ian, a power probe is your friend. Handy for applying power and earth to various electrical components to bypass broken/corroded wires. Some power probes will allow you to test electrical components off the car. At least the engine turns over freely. I've had a look on the Wikipedia entry for the Sana and it is the same as the Tipo under the skin so that might be of help. It was also known as the Florida and is related to the Strada/Ritmo.
I would check with your friend that has sent you the manual to see how his wiring is compared to your wiring. Make sure your coil is ok as well. One step at a time. I have faith in you. Glad to see your family is with you.
Utterly fantastic it turns, good compression only way is up WHHOOOO HOOOO! Following with interest:)
I think that went pretty well. I wonder if that retro-fit alarm also incorporates some kind of immobiliser nefariousness.
Rotating the engine is fine - I just hope you have something that resembles oil in the sump as it may start pumping that around the oil channels.
I'm not entirely sure, but as the engine and some components are the same, maybe the wiring has something in common with the mk1 Tipo 1.4.
It should be easy to get hold of a diagram for the Tipo and to check if there is some similarity or even if it is the pretty much the same.
Also not very sure, but the ignition switch might be shared with the Tipo/Tempra or other Fiat models of the era.
ian the ignition wiring will be a combination of those wires together to get power to the coil/ ignition system
some of those electronic systems can be damaged by hot wiring then
might be better to get the correct ignition switch to get it running
Love the fire extinguisher at the ready. I’ve got a car like that.
Love the optimism , assistant ready with the fire extinguisher , that is over planning for Hub Nut 😁 . Awaiting the next exciting saga of the Hugo (Boss) . Thanks
Yes it is exciting. In the same way getting shot is exciting.
Wonderful anticipation. Yugo is so HubNut fleeting fleet :)
Take your time. It will get there eventually. Will be great to see the old girl on the road.
Excellent suggestion by Ms Hub Nut....“fiery death “🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yes; that was HILARIOUS!
Hub nut in Flexiny territory...this has the greatness of that bloke Alexander!
Meanwhile, we Americans are reminded that Yugo made cars other than the Yugo GV
The Yugo in USA met the same fate as other small cars in USA do: they were almost always treated by their owners as disposable, and were neglected accordingly. :o(
I am only an amateur auto electrician, but I am a professional electronics engineer. When there is no schematic available, I am following the reverse engineering route. Apply logic. There is permanent power (30), switched power (15) and power for the accessories (75). You have managed to find the switched power already on the ignition barrel. Usually there is consistency in wire colours. You have a rudimentary schematic of the ignition system, if there are numbers on the schematic you cannot explain, this document might help:
www.bosch-classic.com/media/en/bosch_classic/teile_1/switches/downloads_3/klemmenbezeichnungen.pdf
(Only the filename is in a language you don't master, the rest is in English)
Dammit. Wish I was there, I could have a field day, running wires, checking voltages. But you'll manage. Oh, what the others said, throw the immobiliser out.
Hi Ian, is the alarm still connected in the middle of the bulkhead? This can interrupt the main power to the ignition. If you can get a wiring diagram for a FIAT TIPO, this will help you on your way, it all looks the same, even the workshop manual is the same style as for FIAT, I recognize this from the time I was a mechanic at a FIAT- garage (long ago).
I quite liked the Sana back in the day. At the time, I was quite surprised to learn that it used the underpinnings of a mk1 Fiat Tipo...of which I drove at the time. Maybe looking at a mk1 Tipo may help with electrical stuff?
Ian " where next?" Voice of the masses " a firey death ". Howling LOL
Not sure what impressed me most, it turned in gear, or that it has 5 gears! Great tinkering!
HUBNUT !!!! Check the alarm !!! I had some old Selmar alarms fitted , if memory serves they were either a "blipper" OR a keypad.
They were designed to cut the ignition circuit to prevent the car starting ... Check that first ...Good luck !
I have a feeling with all those cutoff switches and faffy things it is likely cutting spark without the ignition barrel, likely fuel as well, (could even be some immobilizer shenanigans since you're hotwiring it) so until we can emulate the signals the ignition barrel sends to whichever wire, i feel you're at a point where you're stuck, perhaps it would be best to order in a Yugo Sana ignition barrel and matching key? The boot and doors can use the old one if you even have it, what a joy to see the dash light up though! exciting times.
Watched this on my tachograph break whilst out delivering hats off your auto electric skills are extremely excellent 🤓 mr furious had to call in the cavalry to get quinten to start 😂 hope you get this going in the long term 👍 😀 👏 👌 😉 excellent video mr Seabrook you got patience 🤓 also got my t shirts 👕 and 🎩 hats today extremely excellent mr hubnut will send you something 🤓👍👍👍
If you cross reference Unipart GCL175 or Intermotor 12601 it brings up your coil pack. £12 was the cheapest i've found with a quick search. But also a list of what its on including the Fiat Tipo, you can soon get the wiring diagram for that so at least you would know where the wires in the plug go. Also there in a breakers in the west country listing some bit for one on the bay of e at the moment. Hope this helps.
Don't give up on it please, I really hope you succeed in getting it back on the road. And I loved Miss Hubnuts "fiery death" comment, she's more Hubnut then you are 🤣
For the ignition...that SELLMAR Car Alarm is the problem.
That is the model "Double Pendulum" that has double kill switch, immobilizer key, driver and passenger door switch.
For that reason you haven't spark... Probably the pendulum switch is disabled, for that reason it doesn't make noises. But the immobilizer... Still works
Well it's nice to see a small amount of progress on the Sana. Also that Miss Hubnut was your assistant. I hope that you will be able to find a wiring diagram for the Sana. Keep up with the good videos & content.
I'm wondering if the aftermarket alarm might be disabling the ignition circuit. My Cavalier SRi broke down many years ago and actually blew the aftermarket alarm to bits. A quick lash up with a bypass wire fixed it.
Okay, some real progress here - dash lights are a good start! The alarm looks like it's already been chopped out of circuit but I would at least take it off the bulkhead if only to see if there are any surreptitious wires heading from it out of sight towards the fusebox which could cause problems. The ignition coil unit reminds me a lot of Honda's "ignition amplifiers" from the past, which were notorious for dying. Obviously it'll need power (one lead), one or maybe two wires to the distributor to power and/or pick up the output from whatever type of sensor is in there (Hall Effect or optical) plus maybe a ground and if the car has one, an output to a rev counter. At one point I did wonder if the earthy end of the HT winding of the coil is returned via a sensing resistor to detect if it is in fact sparking but that's something you usually see in cars with a full-blown injection system and an ECU (this is done to switch off injectors to stop cylinder washdown). If nothing else, a small test lamp will prove that power is getting to that ignition coil/module and you might need to trace wires from it to the distributor. I'm getting cautiously optimistic here...
I wish we had yugos here in Australia, love me some 45.
ua-cam.com/video/KXLDtiDF1Wk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=YUGOAustralia This is one of two Yugo's that made it to Australia as a factory test vehicles for AU market :D
@@Nikola_G.Jerkovic I am aware of them, there is a moskvich for sale in Australia.
“To those waiting with bated breath for Hubnut to ditch the 'Yugo', I have only one thing to say:
You go [YUGO] if you want to.
The Yugo’s not for going!”
Yugo Thatcher approves!
@@nelizmastr Lol. “The engine’s not for turning!”
a closet tory.......
That's not one thing ?🙄
How’s about this Thatcher quote ‘I’m very patient, if I get my own way in the end ‘
Can remember my old man leaving the oil filler cap off his old cavalier.He got the engine steam cleaned and the alarm kept on going off for a few days and nights afterwards sounding like a drowning sparrow😂
Ian, recently seen a picture on FB of a Yugo (like yours) in Belgium !
Great video with
well balanced content
Isn't that just an old Selmar alarm? I fitted a lot of those, don't remember them having any sort of Imobiliser on them?? Usually they worked on the door light switches and they had a pendulum to sense movement of the car.. The trick of a decent install was trying to hide the key switch rather than drilling the bodywork. I score 9/10 for replacing the passenger door lock with one on my Alfasud sprint and a 10/10 for fitting one in the dummy 2nd tank filler neck on my mini, of course I needed a key to remove the fuel cap on the dummy neck and then the key to work the alarm key switch, faffing was more in fashion back then .
The excitement is building, expectations are rising, the problem is baffling, but the outcome looks promising!
Dear Mr Hubnut , please buy an Ocean going ship , The Yugo would make a superb anchor.
It might be worth checking the electrics with a multi-meter, as low voltages can prevent ignition just as much as no voltage will, and you will at least be able to establish whether a circuit is working or not. Just separating connectors, cleaning them up, and then reconnecting them could make a big difference. Good luck with it.
Good call with that oiling the bores. Nice one indeed. 🤜👍👍👍🇬🇧🏴
I recognise the tone in Miss HubNuts voice when she says 'Absolutely thrilling, darling', very much resembles my wife's reaction to when I tell her anything about cars (well, when I get a response at all!).
Listening to the cranking sounds near the end of the video, you have a cylinder with no compression. Id do a compression test on all 4 cylinders. I'd also look for a ballast resistor, or blown fusible link or fuse for the main power lead to the fuse box.
Mrs Hubnut must love it Ian when you say “We’re going out for the day” and you take 2 minutes up road to a Shed full of dirty , greasy, oily old cars 😂, I bet she is standing there in her Sunday best dressed up to the nines and so so HAPPY she didn’t go Christmas shopping . Nice video as always 👍🏻😉
You need to get an auto electrician in ian.
Maybe one of your subscribers is a auto electrician & could help you out.
Very exciting times and that’s a very nicr start.
However, that fuel cutoff makes me wonder how it works because there is always fuel in the bowl of the carburettor, isn’t it?
Very excited about this car. Please don’t rev it like you did on the Charade!
Have a nice weekend.
What i find astounding about Mr Hubnut is that he manages to keep me watching him working on cars that are absolute shite. I remember back in the day, hiring one of these monstrosities for £15 a day back in the early 90's. It was an absolute pile of scrap and it was brand new then.
If its got a very basic points only ignition system, put battery positive on the opposite side of the coil from the distributor. That will give you a spark.
You are a legend Ian(Hubnut).
I noticed as you panned out with the video that there was an alarm box ,is that disconnected from the system the old alarm systems were notorious for messing up cars when they went wrong as I found to my detriment many years ago.
L O V E the Sana. So so so rare, and so so much a errr.."connosseur" motorcar, if you get my point, so hat off to you Sir, for picking out the finest and rarer things in life! It takes fine taste as well as a certain amount of bravado to fiddle with such a gem.
Total number of that car is little less than 30,000 made in all sub/models . EFi version of eat not more than 2000.
Your videos are never too long, Ian. Rip out that alarm and hopefully miracles will happen for you.
I really hope that in a year or two the Sana will be complete and on the road, similar to the story of Foxanne!
Stick with this, I love old rare cars ( even if they might be a bit crap)
Sort that if ignition system I have no doubts it will run.
If it’s essentially a Fiat Tipo engine would it not have the Magneti Marelli ignition system from the Tipo? If so it should be easier to get wiring diagrams. There used to be a Haynes manual for the Tipo. I had one for my 1.4DGT. Unfortunately I don’t think I still have the book.
Good to see young hubnutter with fire extinguiser in hand
Try a Tipo wiring diagram their may be some similarities
On the ignition at least
Enjoyable video. Engine turns over, but no spark. It's got me thinking. Is there anyway to test/bench test the coil. Its a complicated looking coil, is there anyway to employ a simpler coil. This is getting interesting. Looking forward to more on this.
Still a big thumbs up on the car turning , and Proberly something simple good luck !!