What if Japan was Christian?
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An alternate history scenario asking what would happen if Japan had converted to and became a Catholic Christian nation. In particular we looked at the Emperor/Shogun power dynamic, the autonomous Daimyos and how they interacted with each other within the context of a disunited Japan, the historical introduction of Christianity through the Portuguese and Spanish, Art/Cultural ramifications of an adoption of Catholicism, Japan's early colonial empire, and many more factors. In particular the three unifying figures of Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa Ieyasu were focused upon too.
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I've got 2 more videos ready to go, they'll be out soon. I hope you all enjoyed, I'd appreciate feedback on the video and ideas for future videos.
What if America actually settled its colonies.
Thank you for coming back, you're one of my favorite UA-camrs!
Can we do a video of. "What If The Middle East Was Jewish" ? Happy Hanukkah everyone.
@@tudormiller887He could but a certain crowd (one that bends over backwards to defend groups like Hamas) would not be too pleased.
What if the Ming Dynasty industrialized and became a Colonial Superpower?
What if Asia adopted Catholicism when it was so close, I believe the Thai, Cambodians and Laotians had Kings who converted but then they were kicked out. So close, the pain! It hurts!
Thank God they were spared from being ruled by the satanic popes of the Catholic Empire
The Philippines is a good example of what would've happened if the rest of Asia followed suite
@@rimreld The Philippines was a Spanish colony.
@@johnnotrealname8168 your point being?
@@rimreld That influenced their development as a nation.
I'm glad you didn't repeat that myth of Christmas being being pagan when talking about Christianity mixing with local traditions. A channel by the name of Inspiring Philosophy has done extensive research and shows that the Scandinavian pagans started copying the Christians, not the other way around. The Roman holiday of Saturnalia also had nothing to do with Christmas.
You, Videntis and Possible History are now my favourite alternate history channels. I'm glad the void left by Moniseur Z and Whatifalthist after they started do political stuff is being filled. AlternateHistory Hub barely uploads these days.
Whilst I never properly converted to Christianity, I remember watching Inspiring Philosophy and found him to make very compelling cases for thing (I think I was looking into Jesus' resurrection). Interesting to hear him disprove those elements of Christmas.
That's great to hear man. It would be great to be as successful as the ones you've mentioned, if I work hard at it I believe I may eventually reach those levels.
I highly believe, that if Japan went Christian, they would try to use the Samurai Class to form a Holy Order.
They still existed in the 1600's and they still held territory and even fought against the Ottomans.
So the Pope endorsing the creation of the Knights of the Rising Sun is a possibility.
Specially if the Japanese go expansionists and use Religious Wars to expand.
The Ming were also isolated, so both from a trade and religious perspective, the Pope (highly influenced by the Habsburgs) would definitely allow the Japanese to Crusade against Korea and China.
Of course its all for opening the most profitable market at the time, the Chinese Market.
What if the Holy Roman Empire (Germany) was never founded?
Underrated channel
Great video
Good to see you man💪🏻
Welcome back you was missed 🙏
wow you didnt upload in a long time, glad to have you back
I wonder how would it be if Russia introoduced Christianity to Japan ? Would it be possible , wnd at which time ?
Technically around the mid 1500s Catholocism was introduced by the Portuguese, whereas the Russians reached the Pacific Ocean around the mid 1600s. Perhaps Russia gets more aggressive in the far-east region, comes into conflict with Japan or befriends them, and orthodoxy spreads through osmosis. Sort of like how the Russians initially adopted orthodoxy from the Byzantines, after initially trying to siege Constantinople, then becoming allies. Although this potential orthodox conversion would be during the Tokugawa shogunate in the mid 1600s, so you would have to prevent that from occurring, and perhaps prevent a large spread of Catholicism like I've laid out in this timeline. Would be awesome to see.
@@HistorysInfluence yeah cause l thought that Russia should've an esier time to spread orthodoxy to Japan due to being in a closser proximity to eachother compared to the Deutch and Portuguese . I can see it being the reverse scenario compared to this hypothetical timeline where it could've spread from North-East Japan to the South-West , but depending on circumstances it might not be plausible .
@@KougarManx468 It would be interesting to see an anti-orthobro coalition like that.
@@johnnotrealname8168 yeah , cause from what l can tell , Orthodoxy doesn't really get mentioned after the fall of byzantium , most of western history after that has became about Catholic vs Protestant , so if the scenario l brought were to be true l think that it will create a new dynamic maybe like a 1v1v1
@@KougarManx468 The issue is that beyond Russia, orthodoxy rarely is a big factor. If only they listened to their Emperor.
I feel like the appeal of japanese culture has a lot to do with how "different" and unique it is to the rest of the world because of it's philosophy, aesthetic, folklore,... If it was christianese they would have lost a lot of it's foklore, festival and kami because it is considered paganism, even anime are heavily inspired by shintoisme in general and they would be more connnected and borrow more from other christian country.
At the end it would have been just an other western country but with asian people.
I wouldn’t be completely sure of that. Don’t forget, a lot of European folklore had its roots in pre-Christian ones, of which still exists regardless christianization, and only modified into non-religious forms.
European Christainity still adopted a lot of pagan elements, and it's not impossible that stuf like the Folklore, Festivals, and Kami would just take a more christain form or survive through secular story telling. Think of the Crhistainization of Scandinavia and how myths and beliefs about Trolls, Elves and Dwarves, and how they've come to influence Modern Fantasy Literature.
Eh I don’t think so. Korea is pretty Christian and they didn’t become too culturally similar to the west.
Beats having a brutal and expansionistic Shintoist totalitarian power.
@@markgarrett3647 Shintoism didn't make that a certainty, it could of been avoided with or without Christainity. You may as well Say Germany would of been better Arian or Pagan to avoid Nazism.
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Great Video and see you over a year again probably.
Lol, I've got 2 more videos ready so you'll be seeing those very soon.
@HistorysInfluence oh good I always like seeing your videos
Japan had the ability to reverse engineer the arquebuses. So i do believe in any Christian Timeline, the Japanese will reverse engineer the Caraval, the Carrack from the Portuguese and eventually the Galleon from the Spanish.
With the techonological advantage, Japan that already had bad relations with Ming and Kore would inevitably attempt to invade Korea again.
And with Western Tech, now being able to also produce it on their own, they would've entered the Colonial Game.
And since they were became Christian, the Pope would've prevented any attempts at invading them.
With the Galleon, the Japanese would be able to send Embassies to Europe, still take a long time to communicate.
But the Pope would definitely approve of Japanese Expansionism on the excuse of converting Heretics.
Also the ties between Japan and the Habsburgs would be pretty interesting. As basically Japan's main link to Europe is Habsburg Spain by the mid 1600's. Meaning Japan would inevitably get a favorable view of Spain, Austria and the Pope, while take a more negative opinion of Great Britain and the Dutch.
This inevitably makes the Spanish and Portuguese Trade Empire to gain a valuable ally in the East, as Japan, going colonial, offers protection and trading rights to the Spanish and Portuguese.
This severely weakens the East India Company, in fact it might even prevent its existance, as Spain gaining Japanese Trade Rights, would give them inmense wealth, enough to continue their wars in Europe, eventually winning the 80 Years War against the Dutch, and killing any hopes of independence.
The Spanish don't have to worry about the English and Dutch raiding the Pacific with a powerful Christian Japan that has aligned with Spain.
Because the Japanese would build Fleets. Since we know at some point they mass produced arquebuses and cannons for their war effort. They would do the same if they reverse engineer the ships too.
The only reason Spain and Portugal never sold ships to Japan was because they were Heretics. But if they are Christian, and not only that give them exclusive trade rights. The profit is too much, for just handing them a few ships. And if they are able to build their own fleet, they will protect the trade in the area.
Specially considering the main influence in this scenario would be the Portuguese and Spanish, rather than the Dutch in our timeline. Meaning Japan would also be very zealous to their interpretation of Christianity.
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What about the reformation? What about Protestant teachings maybe _also_ entering Japan or attracting people of power and influence?
Because the news of Christianity getting a foot into the doorway of Japan would invigorate Protestant theologians to press for the spreading of their teachings to Japan.
After the Peace of Augsburg, there was practically a race of confessionalization between Catholicism and Protestantism in the HRE. I'm just saying "Calendar Conflict".
Or would the ongoing Catholic-Protestant conflict and the buildup to the Thirty Years War (as well as the Thirty Years War itself) throw a heavy stone in those plans?
Interesting points you raise. I considered the Protestant reformation myself (I can't remember if I put it in the video), however I felt the influence from Spain and Portugal regarding Catholicism and Christianity generally would have prevented Protestantism from spreading to Japan. However the arguments you raise are certainly valid, and may very well have happened instead.
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What if Europe,Middle East and America had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
I wonder if Japan in the advent of the rivalry with the US will try to forge an Austronesian Unity to have a great argument to keep the colonies while the US try their self determination approach in Europe after a potentially ww1. They would have to give independence to Korea then, and Indonesian colonies could be lost too, but if they manage to take New Sealand, Hawaii and the Phillipeans, and when they went that way, it could be that the following japanese republic could hold on to their austronesian colonies until today, even considered as true part of Japan if the unity approach succedes.
And mandschuria will be independent, first of all, if japan manages to colonize mandschuria, the Qin Dynasty will not rise. That one is so heavy, that the consequences I cant tell. China could stay a maritine power under the Ming, what Japan will not find that nice. Or be owerthrown by another Dynasty, maybe even Japan itself, because they are the Qin Dynasty in this timeline. But even then, Mandschuria isnt "chinarized", they will keep their tungustic identity and will get their own nation state if china never manages to overtake it.
Then Japan today will have a high crime rate and one of the highest crime rate countries today.
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Cool video, if have need for a editor, i can help
I couldn't really hire one yet, however I will likely in the future and would greatly appreciate that sort of help. You can contact me at historysinfluence@gmail.com if you're interested in doing so in the future. (same email as on my channel page).
@@HistorysInfluence i will happy to help you anytime in future, i really like your content and great potential
Thanks for contact, i will contact you when i can, at me is quite late in the night right now
Wouldn't stray too far from the Taiping rebellion model if you ask me. Christianity and east asian culture just don't mix that well
The Philippines..
What if Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
Japan dodged a major bullet
Japan dodged a great oppurtinity
Whag if Japan was made of chocolate
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If Japan went christian, then Japan would be way less cool. christianity may not be/is not compatible everywhere.
And also don't forget Christian countries are the highest crime rates in the history, so if Japan become christian country then Japan might have a high crime rate today
Bro has no idea of japanese history let alone the world@@justinvillar7008
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Christianity is very hard in Asia because they love ancestor worship. It would be very good if they are Christian because it would actually saved them. Shinto has too many dark ritual which they don't talk about in the open. The leaders of any religious will do anything to stop their rule over the followers. So expects bad slander, gossips, and bribery to government officials to gain favors. These things made it very hard.