In the Philippines, it's a struggle to find covered parking space. At work or at shopping malls, you usually end up getting your car baked in the sun for hours. I'd be glad if it was charging though. This will be a game changer for a ridiculously sunny country like ours.
And it would be awesome if the flexible solar cells could be held an inch or more above the car's roof, front-end, and rear-end, so as to create shade while gathering all that energy for storage in the battery!
take note, we also have mass transport/ public utility vehicles that are solar powered plying same routes as the jeeps.. I prefer riding them because its much quiet, no engine vibrations and much spacious..
@@MichaelGGarryAll of SE is poor though. Philippines is a filthy country where I saw someone dump trash in the river, directly!!! This car will be stolen in seconds, unless it is driven only in the richer neighbourhoods 😅
Same here, I am disabled and cannot bike or walk, and my commute is only less than 5 miles per day. I only drive about 2500 miles per year and my car sits in an open parking lot all the rest of the time.
Then don't buy an EV. Keeping your electric car fully charged on hot parking lot is a recipe for a dead battery. On hot summer day with plenty of sun, temperatures inside car can get easily above 60C which does not play nicely with battier, especially while you charge them. It is recommended to charge your EV during night, in shelter or at least in shadow during charging. That's one of the reasons I din't think solar cars will take off. The other reason is that it is a niche product, for people living in sunny places and/or using their car very sparingly. Stationary solar installation makes more sense in most cases.
As a long-standing Coldfusion fan, it was pretty special to see one about my home city and even the university I studied at. Amazing video as always 👌🏼
In the Netherlands we have "micro cars" that are restricted 45kmph. They are not allowed on highways but are allowed on bycle paths and city roads. Obviously they are not used for long distsnce but they provide a crucial niche for families that cannot transport children etc in cargo icycles. I think these would be where a solar car could really be a suitable platform given todays efficiency and design in solar panel and battery technologies. I am building a proof of concept vehicle, that is basically a :"cycle kart with 4x350W electric hubs, a 2 KW 48V Li battery and 200W of flexible solar panels. Estimate 30 -50km daily range without ever plugging in, extended to continuous driving under correct conditions (ie Australia, India, Africa etc. Love the channel! One of the very best on You Tube!!
60km for daily driving is actually amazing. Here in South Africa, that's just over the avg kilometers driven a year. Add to that we have serious amounts of sun. Even in winter
Lightyear 0 was ridiculously overpriced because essentially it was a way for the company to gather funds, not because the car did indeed cost so much. Lightyear also had the problem that they expanded too much, too quickly and they didn't have time to generate a stable revenue source (i.e. actually produce and sell cars) before the money dried up, but why that happened I don't know. My guess is that it was just due to the management team not having that much experience with actual business administration. The CEO was just a fresh master's graduate when he cofounded the company having only had experience with managing small student teams, and that doesn't translate immediately to running a commercial company of 300+ employees. All the best to him though, I hope they do manage to bring Lightyear 2 to market.
A lightweight solar car is so contrary to the way the auto industry works that it is bound to fail. Light basic tires, basic suspension, a small battery, a cheap motor... nobody is gonna want to do business with you if doing so will poach more lucrative sales from existing partners.
@@lord_Jofferson I'm saying that parts suppliers would be uninterested in working with lightspeed. Imagine how enthusiastic Michelin would be to make $100 tires for this car when they could make $300 tires for a BMW.
FREAKED OUT When I didn't hear Tagogo's voice in the intro. In answer to his question : Yes! I would have to finance to afford that $24,000 ~ $120,000 price tag. Very glad Aptera was mentioned! Sstill worried about universal charging stations that can handle higher grid loads, child labor for raw materials, repair costs & consequences of end-of-vehicle-life disposal/recycling.
I recognise that bloke in the opening! Appreciate you crediting our vid. What a machine this was, privileged to have driven it and very sad it never saw the light of day. Fingers crossed Lightyear has better success with its next endeavour
"up to" 40 miles of range per day. Meaning if you park it in the Arizona desert without any shade. Realistically you get maybe 20 miles per day. This isn't the magic you think it is.
This video really does give me hope. I currently own a battery electric car with a range of around 80 miles (130 KM) that is used for around the county driving. I've had it for 8 years now and I love it to bits. If an affordable one came out with enough solar capacity to make battery charging unnecessary for short to intermediate length trips I would be all over it. Thanks for feeding my dreams, Dagogo!
On my Ford Transit camper box van I have 1280w of solar power and it covers the entire roof that is 4 x 2 m large and even that is only enough to power a electric car for no more then a short drive after charging an entire day ... I have 5000w / hour battery bank and it takes about 7 hours to charge the battery bank under perfect conditions which is rare.
When the video started I became depressed and worried that you wouldn't narrate the video. I was so happy when you did! Your voice and music is soothing and a true pleasure to listen to. Thank you for your great work! I love every video you do!
Informative and interesting, as always. I would definitely go for a solar vehicle once they go into production. Slower speed isn’t an issue, especially in the city - back in the 1980s used to drive a Mercedes 300D (diesel) which wasn’t exactly fast, had terrible acceleration and sounded like a tractor but it still got me from A to B.
I had a 200d w124 and it was dangerously slow. It could detect a hill that was nowhere to be seen. Such a stupid car. There was even a version with a 4 speed transmision, meaning it wasnt that economical.
Go Aptera, Go GO, GO... . We reserved THREE. What a great concept AND car. Over 90% of cars in traffic have ONLY one or 2 people in them! So who needs more weight and space? I analyzed our cooperate transport needs. Almost invariably we went somewhere alone OR picked up one other person, worker, or customer, or acquaintance to gosomewhere, almost ALWAYS witiin less than half of the Apteras range! So why does everyone get on board and send $$s to Aptera? ... We did !
It's very efficient because it is a motorcycle, not a car, so it doesn't have to have the same safety features an actual car has. Anything with fewer than four tires is a motorcycle. * Apparently it's an "autocycle" because it's enclosed with seatbelts. So there's a different set of safety standards, you don't need a helmet, etc. Good to know it's not just a dodge around making the thing heavy enough to be safe.
@@darrennew8211maybe but it also has a fully enclosed cockpit, two side-by-side seats and a boot that can fit quite a bit more than any motorcycle. Also, when it comes to security, Aptera has been very clear that they made no sacrifices and the material they use is as good as any metal when it comes to protecting the passengers. They pride themselves on making "something that's sort of in between a car and a motorcycle" so if you want to come in with your half assed definition and discard them just because "if it has less than four wheels, it's a motorcycle not a car" go at it. They are probably too busy making a great vehicle to care about your opinion on what it should be called
@@darrennew8211 it's going to be tested against full government car automotive standards and has seatbelts and airbags so comparing it to a motorcycle is a bit of a disservice as a motorcycle has nothing like that and no outer shell. Quote " It’s as long as a Prius (172”) and as wide as a Tesla Model S (85”). The body is made from composites which makes it far stronger than steel oraluminum. It also has airbags in the steering wheel and the dash for the passenger and full three-point seat belts.The Aptera is designed like a formula one racer where the occupants are protected by a cage-like composite structure.
@@huzcer Good to hear they're following safety standards above and beyond what the USA requires. But it is technically a motorcycle. Huh. Apparently it's actually an "autocycle" because it's enclosed and has safety restraints. So you don't need a helmet, and there's all kinds of different safety standards. My bad.
@@anthonyjaccard3694 Well, it's good to hear they're putting in more safety stuff than required by law. I'll wait until it's actually in production and has been tested before buying one. 🙂 Also, being enclosed and with seatbelts apparently makes it an "autocycle" which I didn't know, so you (for example) don't need to wear helmets.
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A $30,000 hyper efficient electric car is almost exactly what I have been holding out for. Speed is barely a factor for me. When you said it went 90MPH or whatever the exact speed was, I was thinking "that's great!". It could have a max speed of 80MPH and a 0-60 speed of 15 seconds for all I care. I drive on flat and mostly empty country roads in rural Ohio. I just want an electric equivalent to my 2004 Camry, really.
Why do you need a hyper-efficient car with lot of sacrifices? Electricity is cheap and only getting cheaper. And acceleration is not just super fun, but also very useful in many situations.
@@andrasbiro3007 As more cars become electric, and the grid becomes more taxed, electricity prices will only go up, eventually reaching the same or even more as people spend on gas. (This is already almost the case in many electric cars, if you have to use public pay per kwh chargers)
Very cool. It's a great idea for a commuter vehicle, most people never use more than half the throttle pedal and the biggest selling vehicles in Australia are slow diesel twin cabs due to tax reasons with sole traders.
This would have been amazing in a country just around the equator like Indonesia and the Jakarta traffic would have us stuck under the sun anyways. Cool cool Dutch creation haha. Thanks Dagogo, always love seeing videos from you~
@@NoOne-xd1gw my Dad is on the fence about electric cars because he doesn't like the idea of having to wait as a car charges, etc. (what if you're in a rush to get a meeting, or in an emergency situation? we'd be sitting around rest areas during road trips.) a hybrid, maybe. but this! and the Sun is always shining down here. if it can stay charged all the time that would be cool.
@@vintageexcellence I'm not into the whole “punishing younger generations for what their Ancestors did” thing ✌🏼✌🏼 I'll let them prove they're good eggs
Considering how much time most cars spend parked, they should come up with a foldable solar panel that could be extended to improve the charging capability when the car wasn't in motion.
Or just traditional solar panels on rooftops, that you could hook up to as public charging... I don't see much benefit in installing the panels on the car directly. It just seems much more expensive, all around.
Aptera plans to offer an accessory folding solar panel that fits inside the car and can deployed when you reach your destination. Details are sparse right now because they are putting all their efforts into making the car. I have made a deposit and look forward to using my Aptera.
I hope Lightyear succeeds, but to me Aptera is the real game changer. By going for ultimate efficiency and simplicity of design, they have made a vehicle that can be made at low cost in reasonable numbers. I'm hoping we will see cars going to customers in 2024.
Get your dictionary out and learn what real means. There is nothing real about Aptera when it comes to changing anything. If you could buy one, there isn't even a tyre to change, lol.
Aptera isn't even classified as a car, and would be a death-trap in an accident. To make matters even worse, it it actually quite large and not a nimble vehicle for use around town.
I would absolutely love to have one of those cars you described at the end. The speed limit in the UK maxes out at 70mph anyway so the top speed isn’t an issue, and not having to pay for petrol or maintain an engine would be fantastic.
that would be an enormous waste of money, i'm afraid. the biggest problem with solar-powered cars is that (a) the solar panels are always flat and don't track the moving sun, (b) the farther away from the equator you are, the smaller the solar irradiance you receive, and (c) cloudy days are quite common in many places in the world and clouds reduce solar power output by as much as 90%. those three factors combined bring the expected solar power output averaged over a year and over the whole surface of the planet (assuming global adoption of this technology) of any solar car by about an order of magnitude compared to the absolute best-case scenario of the sun being directly overhead. that's about 0.1 kilowatts realistically compared to the theoretical maximum of roughly 1 kilowatt. to put this into perspective, just to overcome air drag you need about 0.6 kilowatts of power driving at a speed of 50 km/h that's typical of residential area speed limits. as for using solar panels to re-charge the batteries, consider that the solar panels will, on average, charge up to about 0.1 kilowatt x 10 hours = 1 kilowatt-hours per day. given that electric cars have an efficiency of roughly 0.2 kilowatt-hours per kilometer, that would limit your use to a measly 5 km or so per day if you want to be independent of charging stations. so, overall, unless you live in a country close to the equator that sees lots of sunlight year-round and use it for short distances and relatively slow moving of up to residential speed limits at the most, you'll be too dependent on the batteries and thus traditional charging methods.
@@tasos1112 anything that saves you from recharging during longer commute is appreciated. UE is forcing cars to have repleaceable battery, it should by default enforce solar recharging system, because not having these on EV is just waste of space and resources
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Top speed isn't really a big deal here in the US, where we have speed limits everywhere. If it's possible to get the acceleration up just a bit, then a car that can effectively charge itself and which you never have to buy gas for is going to be immensely popular. Though I think it's more likely that this sort of company will get purchased by one of the larger automakers before it ever reaches the point of mass adoption.
Maybe, but hopefully it would be a purchaser who wouldn't completely ruin this whole idea. Corporations tend to screw everything up, almost as a default matter of course.
Your channel might be my favorite on UA-cam. Informative, entertaning, and thought-provoking all at the same time. Please keep doing what you're doing! As for the car? Absolutely would buy the Lightyear 2 if it ever makes it to the states. I live in Southern California, which sounds like the perfect location for it's use case
Here in NSW, the car sits in the drive for days, I travel 30kms to and from the supermarket and occasionally 100kms for medical appointments. It would be great to feed to the grid when not in use, and not be worried about range most days.
I would absolutely own one of Lightyear 2 for many reasons but I’m also reluctant for a couple others Pros : - platform is interesting as the car is bigger -> more solar panel surfaces - solar panels mitigate electricity volatility prices - 40k€ is affordable and comes very close to Tesla and other EU EV manufacturers - perovskites are a TOTAL game changer, EVEN if that means that we have to change them frequently with a subscription system Cons : - the biggest by far : repairability - the second biggest : network effect as a function of repairability to train mechanics on repairing as well as a big enough spare parts economy. -
I actually think an affordable plugin/solar hybrid could be a fantastic solution to the charging problem that faces electric cars in North American cities. Street parking is super common here, which means the main benefit of an electric car (charging at home) isn't an option for many people. An electric car that charges itself while sitting parked on the side of the road could be a killer feature.
In my city, even at the heart of it, street parking is exposed to sun for long stretches of the day. Plus, most of the parking all over the area consists of parking lots that are very much exposed to sun. So, in a city like mine, with lots of apartment complexes, shopping centers, industrial and other business parks, etc. Drivers would definitely be soaking up a lot of solar energy. I do wonder about how hot the cabin gets- hopefully, some amount of window tinting would be standard.
This comapny should find partners in India like Tata, Eicher Motors or Mahindra. India gets 300 days of sunshine and cars like this would be perfect for mega cities like Mumbai , Delhi, Chennai, etc and they could also provide solutions for city busses, trains and auto rickshaws . Moving manufacturing to India would also reduce the cost tremendously for everyone.
I have been OBSESSING over Aptera since I first heard about them about a year ago. What sets them apart is not only the range or even it being the MOST efficient car ever built, but that it comes in 6 main (ultra-durable) components making them easy to repair. Aptera had sustainability and the right to repair as a key intention when they produced this vehicle. I had a dream that I woke up in a Cracker Barrel parking lot full of Aptera's and I was so happy I almost cried lol.
@@aussieideasman8498 I looked at your channel with the descriptions. I'm not clicking on someones channel who wants to make a living talking shit about a company that is simply ____trying______ to ________lessen ________ their environmental impact as much as humanely possible. Why would YOU focus. so. much. attention. on a company that isn't currently dumping oil into our oceans?
I first heard and saw this car on the YT ch'annel fullycharged and omg ive fallen in love with the design sense because it carrys a less mass and smaller battery while being more aerodynamic efficient
Yes will buy the car, solar power looks promising, All the best to LightYear and other Solar powered cars for the future. Hope they make it big :). Thank ColdFusion for covering this.
(X) DOUBT. EV/solar engineer here. 5m2 panels produce 1kW max, in ideal conditions, which car surfaces are definitely not. Such panels will produce around 700kWh of energy per year. Typical efficient EV takes 15kWh/100km. Let's say they did a miracle and got it down to 10kWh (no heating, A/C). This gives us 7000km per year, in perfect conditions. In reality, more like 4000km per year. To compare, my IONIQ 5 has a solar 2m2 roof, was always parked outside, no shades. It generated 103 kWh in two years! The roof is €1500 option, so the only benefit of it is it makes your neigbors curious. Nothing else.
Greatly explained. It was on Dutch tv and some of the reasons were indeed high inflation and the production cost. Beyond this I noticed a marketing campaign that had theoretical claims but nothing from real-world tests. Lightyear also sold solar panels for the Tesla model 3 but did not market it.
My guess is if you put aftermarket solar panels on a Tesla, you have void the warranty for your Tesla. Tesla is very, very, aggressive about walling off their market space. Just look at all the lies they feed their customers, both of commission & omission.
You are a pleasant storyteller.! Since the beginning Aptera is where I had my reservation 🤞 It is planned to be our daily go to EV but being a sEV , here in near the sunniest place in the US ( AZ) . Since they are an “roadster- style ) autocycle and not an automobile I trust/ hope it will be a little easier to get to production. Less components ( lean manufacture ) , lighter weight and less requirements of the automotive industry can be the edge. With plans to crash test ( not required for class ) and publish results. I have a convention four-wheel five seat EV and ALL EVs are faster than I have ever needed. I am more about range. My two reserved ( AWD ) Apterae with 0-60mph (100k ) in 4 sec… is something that make “ those that care”… be impressed. Most of what Aptera offers and the company ethos ALL speak to me?!
I don't think 0-60 in 10s or top speed of ~100 mi/h is a problem at all. I have recently completed the trip in older RV with 0-60 in 20ish seconds and my acceleration from stand-still on lights was on par of more lively than that of a most drivers. What is interesting is that people "sleeping" on lights make up for theirs slow starts by speeding later just to overtake the old clunker… Great take on the subject, very educational. Thank you!
the problem is shown there at the end with the prius - "solar panel on the roof can add up to 4 miles of range per day." because of the additional weight it's only 4 miles on a good sunny day, and when it isn't sunny you're going to getting less range than if you didn't have the panel. the only way to solve all problems is stationary panels, either over roads or over walkways, and inductive charging from under the road. that's a massive undertaking but it's incremental. we have bigger batteries at first then as more and more parking bays have charging from beneath they get smaller, then we can charge while stopped at a traffic light, then one lane is the charging lane, and then finally nearly every road provides power as we drive above it.
That 3 wheel thing makes the most sense. 3 wheelers are considered motorcycles so you don’t need to worry about crash regulations. This allows more focus on advancing the technology to the point where it can go to a regular car
I live in Las Vegas and commute 20 miles round trip per day. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat, especially if I could feed the unused power back into the grid when it's just parked out baking in the sun here
Feeding a unused power back to the grid is not that simple. Solar panels produce low voltage direct current, while grid works on a higher-voltage alternating current, 60 Hz in US, 50 Hz in the rest of the world. To be able to use the solar power in your home or sell it to the grid, you need an inverter to turn DC into AC, and a transformer to adjust the voltage. That equipment is usually not very cheap - in Europe, it's almost the same as covering your entire house in solar panels, it's not prohibitively expensive of course but when you are already investing in it, it makes sense to invest in panels also, to cover your roof fully in panels, and deal away with electricity bill completely and permanently, and likely have enough left for charging your conventional battery-powered EV.
P.S. A solar car that charges itself on parking would actually make a lot of sense here in Europe, especially in my case as I live in a city, in an apartment, and I can rarely hope I'll find an empty parking lot on the same side of the street where my apartment is, let alone be able to plug a cable somewhere to charge it overnight, but I understand that you guys in the US mostly live in large single houses with plenty of space.
I'm only worried about the oil industry trying to sabotage these developments -- however i personally would love a car like this. i don't drive very far for work, everything i need is around my town, i can use it as a local car and save my current one for the rare longer trip. this car costs about the same as what i paid for my current one so i'd def. buy one
Funny thing is those very same oil companies that greatly downplayed renewables greatly invested into them secretly, to make a profit later on. Greed is a poison.
Why would they even be motivated to? Its already mandated in many countries that no more combustion engine cars may be sold after 2030-2040 (depending on country). Why would they care whether the non-combustion engine car is powered by solar, wind, hydrogen or cold fusion?
What actually happened is that Lightyear cut it's losses on the 0 as soon as they saw the enormous waiting list for the Lightyear 2. The Lightyear 0 had served it's purpose by proving that it works and the invested manhours and outsourced production for such a limited series were never going to break even. In my opinion they were wise to focus on the Lightyear 2, which can be designed for mass production instead of a small series. Personally I want my next car to have solar panels. Even if I have to charge sometimes, it will take away a lot of stress of getting stranded with an empty battery. Worst case I will park it somewhere, call a taxi and pick it up as soon as the charge gets me to where i need to be. It also solves my problem of limited roof space for solar on the house, as it charges itself on any parking space without shade and even while driving. No home batteries needed, less waiting at public chargers and absolute freedom to go anywhere at any time. The idea of making it as light as possible is also great. Less air resistance and less weight mean more range from the solar cells. Most EV's are now so heavy that most energy goes into moving the car, not the passengers and cargo. So yes, i will buy a Lightyear 2, even if it is significantly over the projected cost.
Oh Hell, yes! I was particularly attracted to the Sono Sion. That car would have been marvelous here in southern Arizona, USA, where we get around 300 days of clear, sunny weather annually. I've been driving a 2012 Mitsubishi i-MiEV for 8 years now and I'll never go back to fossil fuel transportation. At the very least, I will get my little EV trickle charged with a portable PV panel rig and LFP batteries in my upcoming retirement years. Not quite the same as being able to solar charge while moving, but the next best thing. Best wishes to all these forward looking companies for pushing the boundaries with their solar electric cars. One of them will break through someday. Very nice overview video on this topic.
What's needed is to utilize the less friction-efficient zones of the car for miniature, vertical wind turbines which can supplement the solar energy during non-Sunny days (or at night), both when it's at stand-still (when the atmospheric conditions are most likely to be conducive to it being windier around the car) and when it's in use. Something else they need to do is create different configurations for different purposes. The single-person, the two-person, and the 5-seat sedan sizes would be a real plus. Each still needs room for groceries, handicap apparatus, fluids for the car, a jumpstarter, and a folding or pop-out sunshade. Each also still needs a multi-size cup-holder and something to put a box of tissues in. A good addition would be a set of small hooks meant to hang small trash bags from. Each needs a locking glove box, and overhead light, and ceiling handle-bars. Including some sort of attachable shade-tent would be epic. Anyway, different configurations for different numbers of total people, from 1 to 5, would really help to make this more reasonable for people to put the money towards. No one wants to pay for excess space they're not actually using!
I was super excited when I watched the fully charged show on the light year. Light year built what every EV car should be. The light year is a role model! It saddens me that the company is now bankrupt. I think they were ahead of their time!
Dogogo, I would love to see a video about some of the challenges and barriers to solar efficiency as well as renewable energy solutions!! Your videos are so great keep up the amazing work
My toddler has demanded I get all manner of monster truck, keep wrangler/gladiator etc. for my next car. Maybe I can cheer him up by giving him the science and economy of the 30k solar car that has no VROOOOmmm.
Tbh, it seems like the best option is to just have your standard electric car with some cheap, light solar capabilities to augment its range. The solar panels on the car is probably never going to be as efficient as a large scale solar farm or even rooftop solar, since you have to drive it around with you, so it will definitely be very expensive and inefficient
I was going to comment exactly this. Why put advanced, much more complicated and expensive solar panels on a car when you could instead add the same amount of energy production on a farm and just let the panels sit there passively generating power instead of carrying the power production around literally everywhere you drive. Whatever extra cost of installing these panels on the body of a car could much better be spent adding panels to anywhere else like we already regularly do.
Now I'm picturing the ultimate "green energy" vehicle. Self-adjusting rotating satellite solar panels on the roof, and a turbine in the middle of the front hood for wind power.
@@xX1Mankrik3Xx That would be stupid, you increase drag and loose efficiency much more than you produce energy, you're thinking of a perpetual motion machine which breaks the laws of physics
Glad you mentioned aptera I’ve been following them for awhile, I really really think that they could succeed they’ve been designing around advice given by industry leaders like sandy monroe that I think could push them over the edge
Would absolutely get a slow solar car and I currently drive an EV that can do 0-100kmh in well under 4 seconds. Keeping a very close eye on Aptera and really hope they make it. Great video as always!
Aptera isn't a car. It's a motorcycle. Anything with fewer than four tires is a motorcycle, so they don't have to add the weight of all the safety features of a car.
@@darrennew8211 I'm well aware of what the Aptera is classified as, especially in my own state. :) But given that it has seats, a steering wheel, a wind shield, doors, keeps me dry in the rain, things like that, I consider it a car. Cheers.
@@KitelessRex Yeah. I was coming at it from "we call it a motorcycle because that way we don't need all that heavy safety equipment like air bags and roll bars." It's a pretty standard EV dodge trading safety for mileage. However, I'm told it's actually classified as an "autocycle" because it's enclosed and has seatbelts and such, so you don't have to wear a helmet. I guess legislators figured it out and came up with an appropriate set of safety standards after all.
@@Pyriold However, I'm told it's actually classified as an "autocycle" because it's enclosed and has seatbelts and such, so you don't have to wear a helmet. I guess legislators figured it out and came up with an appropriate set of safety standards after all.
The specs were really impressive, how often do you need to reach 100km/h in less than ten seconds, and how often do you drive faster than 160km/h? These are that were almost impressive with a normal petrol car when i grew up in the 80s.
You wouldn't have to develop a new car, but a retrofit kit for e-cars, a kind of solar film that you could simply stick on the roof and then connect to the battery. That would be cool.
Nope. The mass, weight, aero of any current e-car means thats not a possibilty not even even slightly. As it says at the end, solar on the new Prius may add all of 4 miles a day (and thats probably in Arizona, and then you'd need more than that amount of wattage to cool the car down because its been parked in the baking sun all day. If it was as simple as slapping some film on dont you think everyone and his dog would have done it by now?
@@Joe-lb8qn Of course you can't drive every day for free with the relatively small area on the roof, but 5 km x 30 days = 150 km per month - this is just about the idea. It would be better if you could apply a photovoltaic-paint. The entire paint would then produce electricity. 🙂
@@Christentum_enttarnt now remove the AC needed to cool the car, account for the paint damage for the car being left in blazing sun all day , the extr cost and complexity and reflect that 150km is maybe 20 minutes charge whilst you are doing something and you get an idea why people haven't been slapping this on cars from day one. If you think it's so easy why have to date every single manufacturer failed to do this simple thing?
Not going to work. The Lightyear is threading the needle on the numbers in a way that no other car can accomplish. If you add panels to an existing EV, you'll just make it heavier and more expensive to drive with very little ROI from the solar power.
Solar cars is an inherently stupid idea. Just save money and put the panels on your roof. With it charge you cars or any appliance in the house. You don't need to carry around expensive, and fragile solar panels in a suboptimal position.
@@artsmith103 Many apartments are very high end and cost more than houses. They are not always for the poor. That does not mean you can put solar on the roof of a building you do not own.
I don't think it's light weight is gonna make blow it away in the wind unless the weather starts getting way more gnarly... which, hey - that's not happening though right
A bit more on Eindhoven: Recently, the team has stopped attending the world solar challenge as they found it was too easy. Most recently, they built a solar camper. - A member of the University of Minnesota Solar Vehicle Project
Aptera is actually REALLY fast accelerating, 3s to 60mph, technically it's not a car but it has a ton of space and a huge boot, they have been updating everything constantly through videos and have Sandy Munro on their team so they are probably going to make it to mass production
@taylork420 still really fast for such an efficiency oriented vehicle, I've been thinking about boying it for the last year, but I'm from Europe so there could be some time to when it arrives here, repairability is also a really nice thing, looking at how much kilometers can even an old Tesla S make, there's a pretty decet chance this thing can go for a million kilometers without major repairs
The concept seems completely pointless to me. Just put solar panels on the roof of your house instead and fit a battery twice as large in the car. Then you've got 10 times the solar generation, 2 times the range and 2 times the performance on your car. All for half the price.
@@OuterTapes That's exactly right, weight doesn't matter much, that's physics for you. And considering that this Lightyear 0 is just as heavy as a Model 3 -despite having a smaller battery and being 10 times as expensive build - I'd say that solar panels don't exactly save weight anyway. Try harder.
There's a really big scalability problem with automotive energy efficiency. There is a near inverse relationship between drag coefficient and spacial efficiency of a vehicle. the more aerodynamic a vehicle is, especially a solar vehicle, the less of it's footprint is usable for passenger and payload volume. This is very bad for land use. It's like how CAFE makes American trucks way too big, except that CAFE is a government contrived equation, while the space wasted by aero design is inherent. That's not to say that a Toyota Hiace can't have reasonable aero, but optimizing aero becomes costly the farther it is taken.
60km is great, when I lived in Tauranga NZ, I lived in a great spot, I could travel from home to work, to the Post Office, Supermarket and home again and the round trip was little over 6km. Which would mean I would have 55km worth of power to feed to the grid each day for most of the year. I would love to get.
Good to see. I put a down payment on the "camper" version of the Aptera. Hope they make it. I also pre-ordered the earlier version that failed. They hired an old-school CEO from Detroit. He wound up scrapping the pre-production design because its window was hard to order fast food at a drive through. After bankruptcy, the founders bought back the IP.
What is wrong with equipping the parking spot with solar? way "cheaper" in engineering sense than carrying the panels on the car all the time. And stationary panels can be properly angled to ensure efficieny. And they keep your car from rain and snow when sun does not shine. And they keep producing to grid when car is not home. And they are easier to maintain. Charging in transit is just not that useful to justify the extra weight and complexity. Maybe a small panel could be useful to run the AC when car is not plugged in, sure. But other than that, it would be hard to justify putting panels on the car rather than on the parking lot.
As a person who's done that Darwing to Adelaide drive in a solar car, Im very excited to see competitors daring to take our fun little school projects to the next level.
Countries in the tropics will definitely buy the premium version given the savings and the profit potential in hooking up to the grid. It would be interesting to see of larger vehicles like ambulances or buses with this concept.
Hahaha that intro clip saying that efficiency is overlooked in modern car design, hold on I have to join a meeting right now about pushing the efficiency of our motor beyond the laws of physics I’ll be right back 😂 spoken like a true automotive journalist
I think the lightyear 0 is an amazing car. Even the stats are impressive enough for me, speed and acceleration, i think with the amount of work that went into it, i think 320k is a fair prize... if i was a millionaire, i would definitely buy it... am just in love with the concept. Creating this car is no small task
It was not. It was not even a product. They planned to make 150 cars, you know how may were sold AND shipped to customers? 0. Not a single one. Its so much fun that after the decade long scamming mayhem we saw from theranos to nikola people are still seeing this project as a valid product.... Wake up doode...
This will be amazing in India... I don't drive more than 60kms and there's scroting sunlight for 300days/year.. our speed limit is 80kmph in the City. This was a revolutionary product
It's a great idea and, on the surface, would be perfect for someone like me who drives less than 20km on most days from where I live in Scarborough to where I work in Osborne Park and back... BUT my car is kept in a garage at home and in undercover parking at work so is only exposed to the sun for very short bursts. This sort of car would be good for someone who keeps it outdoors when not using it, but I'm not so sure it would be particularly useful for the many people who now have their car out of the sun most of the time.
I like the mindset. Never understood why high horse power and top speed matters, usually (especially in cities) you never go over 70-90kph, even on highways 130-150 is more than enough. High acceleration is also pointless in cities going from red light to red light. With a "weaker" car being much more efficient, lighter, smaller, it can cross the treshold to be sustained by solar panels on the roof, which is a complete game changer.
I'd have no problem with the top speed and acceleration, but I find it funny how in the sound bites they keep saying how efficiency makes things cheaper - while the car sells for 296K dollars!
I have a deposit on a Aptera. It isn't expensive to do so, either. I didn't go for the 1000 mile battery, deciding that 400 miles, even with my current work commute, is sufficient. My biggest concern about the Aptera, aside from whether they finally build it, is noise that is not aerodynamically generated (tire noise, noise from other cars). With the large amount of space behind the seats, it will manage to be more car than I normally need, as far as that goes. On the matter of the Lightyear taking ten seconds to reach 60 mph, consider that most people don't use what they have. Aside from on ramps for freeways, most people are somewhat leisurely at acceleration, easily within the capabilities of something that takes 10 seconds to reach 60. I drive a car that reaches 60 in the mid five second range, and if I deploy that on the street, most of the time, it's like I engaged a warp drive the way the traffic is suddenly well behind me. Also, ten seconds to 60 is enough to beat some cars you'd be surprised at. A '55 Chevy, with a V8, will barely beat that, depending on the transmission choice and gearing as there were several options and to get that, a manual was the way to go. A Cadillac Fleetwood from that year is over a second slower. Both of those are based on articles on Curbside Classic that show original road test data. Also, when Car and Driver tested a new for '82 Trans Am with the standard powertrain (5 liter V8, four speed manual), it took 10.6 seconds to reach 60. I'd like to see solar power be the way to go, even if I think that it's most likely to be a way to charge the car at home. Among other considerations, we spend too much on gas, and make someone else rich with what we currently have.
In the Philippines, it's a struggle to find covered parking space. At work or at shopping malls, you usually end up getting your car baked in the sun for hours. I'd be glad if it was charging though. This will be a game changer for a ridiculously sunny country like ours.
Yep, all of SE Asia is a big yes on cars like this!
And it would be awesome if the flexible solar cells could be held an inch or more above the car's roof, front-end, and rear-end, so as to create shade while gathering all that energy for storage in the battery!
take note, we also have mass transport/ public utility vehicles that are solar powered plying same routes as the jeeps.. I prefer riding them because its much quiet, no engine vibrations and much spacious..
Well this one will probably pricey tho
@@MichaelGGarryAll of SE is poor though. Philippines is a filthy country where I saw someone dump trash in the river, directly!!! This car will be stolen in seconds, unless it is driven only in the richer neighbourhoods 😅
As person who only drives a few thousand mile at most a year and leaves their car in the sun . This would be perfect.
Same here, I am disabled and cannot bike or walk, and my commute is only less than 5 miles per day. I only drive about 2500 miles per year and my car sits in an open parking lot all the rest of the time.
You'd spend $40K for a car that you use so little?
Me too. Even though I leave the house four to six days per week I in a small town I still only have to get fuel once every 6 weeks or so.
Then don't buy an EV. Keeping your electric car fully charged on hot parking lot is a recipe for a dead battery. On hot summer day with plenty of sun, temperatures inside car can get easily above 60C which does not play nicely with battier, especially while you charge them. It is recommended to charge your EV during night, in shelter or at least in shadow during charging.
That's one of the reasons I din't think solar cars will take off. The other reason is that it is a niche product, for people living in sunny places and/or using their car very sparingly. Stationary solar installation makes more sense in most cases.
@@petros_adamopoulos exactly, op is a bit stpid
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As a long-standing Coldfusion fan, it was pretty special to see one about my home city and even the university I studied at. Amazing video as always 👌🏼
true indeed♥
In the Netherlands we have "micro cars" that are restricted 45kmph. They are not allowed on highways but are allowed on bycle paths and city roads. Obviously they are not used for long distsnce but they provide a crucial niche for families that cannot transport children etc in cargo icycles. I think these would be where a solar car could really be a suitable platform given todays efficiency and design in solar panel and battery technologies. I am building a proof of concept vehicle, that is basically a :"cycle kart with 4x350W electric hubs, a 2 KW 48V Li battery and 200W of flexible solar panels. Estimate 30 -50km daily range without ever plugging in, extended to continuous driving under correct conditions (ie Australia, India, Africa etc. Love the channel! One of the very best on You Tube!!
60km for daily driving is actually amazing. Here in South Africa, that's just over the avg kilometers driven a year. Add to that we have serious amounts of sun. Even in winter
This car will work well here in Mzansi.
Lol, solar is very inefficient when hot
.. is it hot in Africa? Uh huh.
Look at the power grid management in SA
It's needed indeed
Also in India 🇮🇳
@@JSabh I think that won't be any issue since the car would be moving and solar cells can be air cooled.
Lightyear 0 was ridiculously overpriced because essentially it was a way for the company to gather funds, not because the car did indeed cost so much. Lightyear also had the problem that they expanded too much, too quickly and they didn't have time to generate a stable revenue source (i.e. actually produce and sell cars) before the money dried up, but why that happened I don't know. My guess is that it was just due to the management team not having that much experience with actual business administration. The CEO was just a fresh master's graduate when he cofounded the company having only had experience with managing small student teams, and that doesn't translate immediately to running a commercial company of 300+ employees. All the best to him though, I hope they do manage to bring Lightyear 2 to market.
Electric solar care shouldn't be less than $80k though
A lightweight solar car is so contrary to the way the auto industry works that it is bound to fail. Light basic tires, basic suspension, a small battery, a cheap motor... nobody is gonna want to do business with you if doing so will poach more lucrative sales from existing partners.
Bigger brands interfered because they didn't want to lose sales
@@lord_Jofferson I'm saying that parts suppliers would be uninterested in working with lightspeed. Imagine how enthusiastic Michelin would be to make $100 tires for this car when they could make $300 tires for a BMW.
Or the other side want them to fail? This may also be the reason
FREAKED OUT When I didn't hear Tagogo's voice in the intro.
In answer to his question : Yes! I would have to finance to afford that $24,000 ~ $120,000 price tag. Very glad Aptera was mentioned! Sstill worried about universal charging stations that can handle higher grid loads, child labor for raw materials, repair costs & consequences of end-of-vehicle-life disposal/recycling.
I'm glad Aptera was mentioned. I have lots of video's on it.
Dagogo*
I recognise that bloke in the opening! Appreciate you crediting our vid. What a machine this was, privileged to have driven it and very sad it never saw the light of day. Fingers crossed Lightyear has better success with its next endeavour
I have lost count of how many times I dreamt of a car powered by the sun since I was a little kid. This is like a childhood dream come true
We need to protect that company, we don't need to misteriously disappear
too bad they aren't an oil company, they get support
Lol. Truth
"up to" 40 miles of range per day. Meaning if you park it in the Arizona desert without any shade. Realistically you get maybe 20 miles per day. This isn't the magic you think it is.
Can a company disappear "mysteriously"?
@@eadweard. Like the guy that made the car that run on water and was killed?
This video really does give me hope. I currently own a battery electric car with a range of around 80 miles (130 KM) that is used for around the county driving. I've had it for 8 years now and I love it to bits. If an affordable one came out with enough solar capacity to make battery charging unnecessary for short to intermediate length trips I would be all over it. Thanks for feeding my dreams, Dagogo!
Me tooo my 2014 Leaf rocks !!!
Aptera
On my Ford Transit camper box van I have 1280w of solar power and it covers the entire roof that is 4 x 2 m large and even that is only enough to power a electric car for no more then a short drive after charging an entire day ... I have 5000w / hour battery bank and it takes about 7 hours to charge the battery bank under perfect conditions which is rare.
Just buy solar panels for your house. You got a solar-powered car.
@@MrIsmilealotmy understanding is that there are more LEAFs out there than any other EV. Rock on!
When the video started I became depressed and worried that you wouldn't narrate the video. I was so happy when you did! Your voice and music is soothing and a true pleasure to listen to. Thank you for your great work! I love every video you do!
Same haha
He does have a fantastic voice and cadence. If this channel ever goes dark, I hope he moves to someone else’s.
Informative and interesting, as always. I would definitely go for a solar vehicle once they go into production. Slower speed isn’t an issue, especially in the city - back in the 1980s used to drive a Mercedes 300D (diesel) which wasn’t exactly fast, had terrible acceleration and sounded like a tractor but it still got me from A to B.
I had a 200d w124 and it was dangerously slow. It could detect a hill that was nowhere to be seen. Such a stupid car. There was even a version with a 4 speed transmision, meaning it wasnt that economical.
Go Aptera, Go GO, GO... . We reserved THREE. What a great concept AND car. Over 90% of cars in traffic have ONLY
one or 2 people in them!
So who needs more weight and space? I analyzed our cooperate transport needs. Almost invariably we went somewhere alone
OR picked up one other person, worker, or customer, or acquaintance to gosomewhere, almost ALWAYS witiin less than half of
the Apteras range! So why does everyone get on board and send $$s to Aptera?
... We did !
I preordered the Aptera a couple yrs ago. The efficiency is very impressive. Hoping they are a success.
It's very efficient because it is a motorcycle, not a car, so it doesn't have to have the same safety features an actual car has. Anything with fewer than four tires is a motorcycle.
* Apparently it's an "autocycle" because it's enclosed with seatbelts. So there's a different set of safety standards, you don't need a helmet, etc. Good to know it's not just a dodge around making the thing heavy enough to be safe.
@@darrennew8211maybe but it also has a fully enclosed cockpit, two side-by-side seats and a boot that can fit quite a bit more than any motorcycle. Also, when it comes to security, Aptera has been very clear that they made no sacrifices and the material they use is as good as any metal when it comes to protecting the passengers. They pride themselves on making "something that's sort of in between a car and a motorcycle" so if you want to come in with your half assed definition and discard them just because "if it has less than four wheels, it's a motorcycle not a car" go at it. They are probably too busy making a great vehicle to care about your opinion on what it should be called
@@darrennew8211 it's going to be tested against full government car automotive standards and has seatbelts and airbags so comparing it to a motorcycle is a bit of a disservice as a motorcycle has nothing like that and no outer shell. Quote " It’s as long as a Prius (172”) and as wide as a Tesla Model S (85”).
The body is made from composites which makes it far stronger than steel oraluminum. It also has airbags in the steering wheel and the dash for the passenger and full three-point seat belts.The Aptera is designed like a formula one racer where the occupants are protected by a cage-like composite structure.
@@huzcer Good to hear they're following safety standards above and beyond what the USA requires. But it is technically a motorcycle.
Huh. Apparently it's actually an "autocycle" because it's enclosed and has safety restraints. So you don't need a helmet, and there's all kinds of different safety standards. My bad.
@@anthonyjaccard3694 Well, it's good to hear they're putting in more safety stuff than required by law. I'll wait until it's actually in production and has been tested before buying one. 🙂
Also, being enclosed and with seatbelts apparently makes it an "autocycle" which I didn't know, so you (for example) don't need to wear helmets.
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A $30,000 hyper efficient electric car is almost exactly what I have been holding out for. Speed is barely a factor for me. When you said it went 90MPH or whatever the exact speed was, I was thinking "that's great!". It could have a max speed of 80MPH and a 0-60 speed of 15 seconds for all I care. I drive on flat and mostly empty country roads in rural Ohio.
I just want an electric equivalent to my 2004 Camry, really.
The slowest 2004 Camry has a 9.6 second 0-60.
@@filonin2 The lightyear 0 was 0-62 mph in 10 seconds, almost identical. 0-62 in 10 seconds would mean it likely hit 60 in 9.8 or so.
Why do you need a hyper-efficient car with lot of sacrifices? Electricity is cheap and only getting cheaper. And acceleration is not just super fun, but also very useful in many situations.
Apterra Based out if San Diego is making progress toward therir electric vehicle. Starting price is less than 30k.
@@andrasbiro3007 As more cars become electric, and the grid becomes more taxed, electricity prices will only go up, eventually reaching the same or even more as people spend on gas. (This is already almost the case in many electric cars, if you have to use public pay per kwh chargers)
Very cool. It's a great idea for a commuter vehicle, most people never use more than half the throttle pedal and the biggest selling vehicles in Australia are slow diesel twin cabs due to tax reasons with sole traders.
That’s very sad they went down under
This would have been amazing in a country just around the equator like Indonesia and the Jakarta traffic would have us stuck under the sun anyways. Cool cool Dutch creation haha. Thanks Dagogo, always love seeing videos from you~
Ja toch
Weren’t the Dutch the ones that destroyed Jakarta and now it sinks into the sea 😂 you could take it further and make it a Dutch oven in that heat 💨
No, EV is just a way where US try to take back automotive industry. US companies such as GE, Ford etc lose against Volkswagen and Toyota.
@@NoOne-xd1gw my Dad is on the fence about electric cars because he doesn't like the idea of having to wait as a car charges, etc. (what if you're in a rush to get a meeting, or in an emergency situation? we'd be sitting around rest areas during road trips.) a hybrid, maybe. but this! and the Sun is always shining down here. if it can stay charged all the time that would be cool.
@@vintageexcellence I'm not into the whole “punishing younger generations for what their Ancestors did” thing ✌🏼✌🏼 I'll let them prove they're good eggs
Considering how much time most cars spend parked, they should come up with a foldable solar panel that could be extended to improve the charging capability when the car wasn't in motion.
Like the ones they have for mobile phones.
This is a much better plan because you can align the panel to the sun. In fact, RVs already do that to some extent.
Or just traditional solar panels on rooftops, that you could hook up to as public charging...
I don't see much benefit in installing the panels on the car directly. It just seems much more expensive, all around.
Aptera plans to offer an accessory folding solar panel that fits inside the car and can deployed when you reach your destination. Details are sparse right now because they are putting all their efforts into making the car. I have made a deposit and look forward to using my Aptera.
@@dwightjones3305 Let's hope you are not disappointed!
Awesome to see tech like this come this far.
right? its pretty cool
Tech, yes .
Crippled and Stunted by free market interests and dominance, definitely
Amazing how animation and big claims make people feel so warm inside 😂
@@vintageexcellenceunreal. How can anyone think a small solar panel can power a car? The ignorance is depressing.
@@vintageexcellencebut those are real images?
I hope Lightyear succeeds, but to me Aptera is the real game changer. By going for ultimate efficiency and simplicity of design, they have made a vehicle that can be made at low cost in reasonable numbers. I'm hoping we will see cars going to customers in 2024.
Get your dictionary out and learn what real means. There is nothing real about Aptera when it comes to changing anything. If you could buy one, there isn't even a tyre to change, lol.
@@aussieideasman8498 There are 4+ million Teslas that don't carry a spare tyre. Next spurious objection, please.
i'm extremely excited for the Aptera
@@raw.voltage Settle down.
Aptera isn't even classified as a car, and would be a death-trap in an accident. To make matters even worse, it it actually quite large and not a nimble vehicle for use around town.
I would absolutely love to have one of those cars you described at the end. The speed limit in the UK maxes out at 70mph anyway so the top speed isn’t an issue, and not having to pay for petrol or maintain an engine would be fantastic.
that would be an enormous waste of money, i'm afraid.
the biggest problem with solar-powered cars is that (a) the solar panels are always flat and don't track the moving sun, (b) the farther away from the equator you are, the smaller the solar irradiance you receive, and (c) cloudy days are quite common in many places in the world and clouds reduce solar power output by as much as 90%.
those three factors combined bring the expected solar power output averaged over a year and over the whole surface of the planet (assuming global adoption of this technology) of any solar car by about an order of magnitude compared to the absolute best-case scenario of the sun being directly overhead. that's about 0.1 kilowatts realistically compared to the theoretical maximum of roughly 1 kilowatt. to put this into perspective, just to overcome air drag you need about 0.6 kilowatts of power driving at a speed of 50 km/h that's typical of residential area speed limits.
as for using solar panels to re-charge the batteries, consider that the solar panels will, on average, charge up to about 0.1 kilowatt x 10 hours = 1 kilowatt-hours per day. given that electric cars have an efficiency of roughly 0.2 kilowatt-hours per kilometer, that would limit your use to a measly 5 km or so per day if you want to be independent of charging stations.
so, overall, unless you live in a country close to the equator that sees lots of sunlight year-round and use it for short distances and relatively slow moving of up to residential speed limits at the most, you'll be too dependent on the batteries and thus traditional charging methods.
@@tasos1112 anything that saves you from recharging during longer commute is appreciated. UE is forcing cars to have repleaceable battery, it should by default enforce solar recharging system, because not having these on EV is just waste of space and resources
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Top speed isn't really a big deal here in the US, where we have speed limits everywhere. If it's possible to get the acceleration up just a bit, then a car that can effectively charge itself and which you never have to buy gas for is going to be immensely popular. Though I think it's more likely that this sort of company will get purchased by one of the larger automakers before it ever reaches the point of mass adoption.
Maybe, but hopefully it would be a purchaser who wouldn't completely ruin this whole idea. Corporations tend to screw everything up, almost as a default matter of course.
Not happening in your country, oil & gas lobbying is too strong
Everyone here goes 80mph on the highway
All I'm hearing from you is pipe dream fantasies and conspiracy theories.
The aptera solar car shown there has a 0 to 60 of 4 seconds and only costs $25k, not 40k. Idk how the other guys screwed this up
Your channel might be my favorite on UA-cam. Informative, entertaning, and thought-provoking all at the same time. Please keep doing what you're doing! As for the car? Absolutely would buy the Lightyear 2 if it ever makes it to the states. I live in Southern California, which sounds like the perfect location for it's use case
Sounds like that thing could even function in Alaska (when the Sun's up, that is).
Here in NSW, the car sits in the drive for days, I travel 30kms to and from the supermarket and occasionally 100kms for medical appointments. It would be great to feed to the grid when not in use, and not be worried about range most days.
I would absolutely own one of Lightyear 2 for many reasons but I’m also reluctant for a couple others
Pros :
- platform is interesting as the car is bigger -> more solar panel surfaces
- solar panels mitigate electricity volatility prices
- 40k€ is affordable and comes very close to Tesla and other EU EV manufacturers
- perovskites are a TOTAL game changer, EVEN if that means that we have to change them frequently with a subscription system
Cons :
- the biggest by far : repairability
- the second biggest : network effect as a function of repairability to train mechanics on repairing as well as a big enough spare parts economy.
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I actually think an affordable plugin/solar hybrid could be a fantastic solution to the charging problem that faces electric cars in North American cities.
Street parking is super common here, which means the main benefit of an electric car (charging at home) isn't an option for many people. An electric car that charges itself while sitting parked on the side of the road could be a killer feature.
100% agree, in all big cities
Wouldn't it be shaded by buildings most of the time?
In my city, even at the heart of it, street parking is exposed to sun for long stretches of the day. Plus, most of the parking all over the area consists of parking lots that are very much exposed to sun. So, in a city like mine, with lots of apartment complexes, shopping centers, industrial and other business parks, etc. Drivers would definitely be soaking up a lot of solar energy. I do wonder about how hot the cabin gets- hopefully, some amount of window tinting would be standard.
No. It's so dumb.
@@lawrencefrost9063Thank you for your solid and well-supported counter-argument (/s)
Having worked on the app of the Lightyear myself as a designer, it makes me sad to see them go down under. Thanks for the vid! 🙌🏻
They didn't move to Australia.
@@samwiseknows They did, the competitions were in Australia. 2:38
@@Tondadrd 😂😂😂😂
Musk said “Making the car was the easy part. Making the factory to make the car was 100 times harder.”
musk also said that he is a conman
@@DanielQRT who else owns a space company that can land orbital rockets
@@DanielQRTno conman says that
@@gutluckbro9802 a conman
@@warpdrive9229 because they don't want you to think that, it's just indirectly
This comapny should find partners in India like Tata, Eicher Motors or Mahindra. India gets 300 days of sunshine and cars like this would be perfect for mega cities like Mumbai , Delhi, Chennai, etc and they could also provide solutions for city busses, trains and auto rickshaws . Moving manufacturing to India would also reduce the cost tremendously for everyone.
I have been OBSESSING over Aptera since I first heard about them about a year ago.
What sets them apart is not only the range or even it being the MOST efficient car ever built, but that it comes in 6 main (ultra-durable) components making them easy to repair.
Aptera had sustainability and the right to repair as a key intention when they produced this vehicle.
I had a dream that I woke up in a Cracker Barrel parking lot full of Aptera's and I was so happy I almost cried lol.
Yep - you're dreaming! Feast yourself on over 50 video's I have made.
@@aussieideasman8498 I looked at your channel with the descriptions.
I'm not clicking on someones channel who wants to
make a living
talking shit
about a company
that is simply
____trying______
to
________lessen ________
their environmental impact as much as humanely possible.
Why
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focus. so. much. attention.
on a company that isn't currently dumping oil into our oceans?
I first heard and saw this car on the YT ch'annel fullycharged and omg ive fallen in love with the design sense because it carrys a less mass and smaller battery while being more aerodynamic efficient
Yes will buy the car, solar power looks promising, All the best to LightYear and other Solar powered cars for the future. Hope they make it big :). Thank ColdFusion for covering this.
❤ such a delight to see this appear, thank you ColdFusion!
(X) DOUBT. EV/solar engineer here.
5m2 panels produce 1kW max, in ideal conditions, which car surfaces are definitely not. Such panels will produce around 700kWh of energy per year.
Typical efficient EV takes 15kWh/100km. Let's say they did a miracle and got it down to 10kWh (no heating, A/C). This gives us 7000km per year, in perfect conditions. In reality, more like 4000km per year.
To compare, my IONIQ 5 has a solar 2m2 roof, was always parked outside, no shades. It generated 103 kWh in two years! The roof is €1500 option, so the only benefit of it is it makes your neigbors curious. Nothing else.
The video itself is a 10/10. Kudos to the editing team
Greatly explained. It was on Dutch tv and some of the reasons were indeed high inflation and the production cost. Beyond this I noticed a marketing campaign that had theoretical claims but nothing from real-world tests. Lightyear also sold solar panels for the Tesla model 3 but did not market it.
My guess is if you put aftermarket solar panels on a Tesla, you have void the warranty for your Tesla. Tesla is very, very, aggressive about walling off their market space. Just look at all the lies they feed their customers, both of commission & omission.
You are a pleasant storyteller.!
Since the beginning Aptera is where I had my reservation 🤞 It is planned to be our daily go to EV but being a sEV , here in near the sunniest place in the US ( AZ) . Since they are an “roadster- style ) autocycle and not an automobile I trust/ hope it will be a little easier to get to production. Less components ( lean manufacture ) , lighter weight and less requirements of the automotive industry can be the edge. With plans to crash test ( not required for class ) and publish results. I have a convention four-wheel five seat EV and ALL EVs are faster than I have ever needed. I am more about range. My two reserved ( AWD ) Apterae with 0-60mph (100k ) in 4 sec… is something that make “ those that care”… be impressed.
Most of what Aptera offers and the company ethos ALL speak to me?!
Super excited about Aptera!
I don't think 0-60 in 10s or top speed of ~100 mi/h is a problem at all. I have recently completed the trip in older RV with 0-60 in 20ish seconds and my acceleration from stand-still on lights was on par of more lively than that of a most drivers. What is interesting is that people "sleeping" on lights make up for theirs slow starts by speeding later just to overtake the old clunker… Great take on the subject, very educational. Thank you!
0-60 in 10 seconds is comparable to that of a Gasoline powered Toyota Yaris.
It's not performance car fast, but quite normal in the real world.
Not a problem at all if you get an aptera solar vehicle instead
My daily driver does 13 secs to 100. It's bad but it's honestly not an issue 90% of the time
the problem is shown there at the end with the prius - "solar panel on the roof can add up to 4 miles of range per day." because of the additional weight it's only 4 miles on a good sunny day, and when it isn't sunny you're going to getting less range than if you didn't have the panel.
the only way to solve all problems is stationary panels, either over roads or over walkways, and inductive charging from under the road. that's a massive undertaking but it's incremental. we have bigger batteries at first then as more and more parking bays have charging from beneath they get smaller, then we can charge while stopped at a traffic light, then one lane is the charging lane, and then finally nearly every road provides power as we drive above it.
That 3 wheel thing makes the most sense. 3 wheelers are considered motorcycles so you don’t need to worry about crash regulations. This allows more focus on advancing the technology to the point where it can go to a regular car
Until you get in a crash and you die.
I live in Las Vegas and commute 20 miles round trip per day. I would buy one of these in a heartbeat, especially if I could feed the unused power back into the grid when it's just parked out baking in the sun here
Feeding a unused power back to the grid is not that simple. Solar panels produce low voltage direct current, while grid works on a higher-voltage alternating current, 60 Hz in US, 50 Hz in the rest of the world. To be able to use the solar power in your home or sell it to the grid, you need an inverter to turn DC into AC, and a transformer to adjust the voltage. That equipment is usually not very cheap - in Europe, it's almost the same as covering your entire house in solar panels, it's not prohibitively expensive of course but when you are already investing in it, it makes sense to invest in panels also, to cover your roof fully in panels, and deal away with electricity bill completely and permanently, and likely have enough left for charging your conventional battery-powered EV.
P.S. A solar car that charges itself on parking would actually make a lot of sense here in Europe, especially in my case as I live in a city, in an apartment, and I can rarely hope I'll find an empty parking lot on the same side of the street where my apartment is, let alone be able to plug a cable somewhere to charge it overnight, but I understand that you guys in the US mostly live in large single houses with plenty of space.
I'm only worried about the oil industry trying to sabotage these developments -- however i personally would love a car like this. i don't drive very far for work, everything i need is around my town, i can use it as a local car and save my current one for the rare longer trip. this car costs about the same as what i paid for my current one so i'd def. buy one
They can only delay it only until the oil reserves reach critically low levels
Funny thing is those very same oil companies that greatly downplayed renewables greatly invested into them secretly, to make a profit later on. Greed is a poison.
Why would they even be motivated to? Its already mandated in many countries that no more combustion engine cars may be sold after 2030-2040 (depending on country). Why would they care whether the non-combustion engine car is powered by solar, wind, hydrogen or cold fusion?
@@dragonslayer0people been saying oil will run out anytime now for decades now, but it never does and new reserves keep getting discovered
@@kevinfernandez9999 it won't become zero... But consumption will be reduced many times compared to today
What actually happened is that Lightyear cut it's losses on the 0 as soon as they saw the enormous waiting list for the Lightyear 2.
The Lightyear 0 had served it's purpose by proving that it works and the invested manhours and outsourced production for such a limited series were never going to break even.
In my opinion they were wise to focus on the Lightyear 2, which can be designed for mass production instead of a small series.
Personally I want my next car to have solar panels. Even if I have to charge sometimes, it will take away a lot of stress of getting stranded with an empty battery. Worst case I will park it somewhere, call a taxi and pick it up as soon as the charge gets me to where i need to be.
It also solves my problem of limited roof space for solar on the house, as it charges itself on any parking space without shade and even while driving. No home batteries needed, less waiting at public chargers and absolute freedom to go anywhere at any time.
The idea of making it as light as possible is also great. Less air resistance and less weight mean more range from the solar cells. Most EV's are now so heavy that most energy goes into moving the car, not the passengers and cargo.
So yes, i will buy a Lightyear 2, even if it is significantly over the projected cost.
Oh Hell, yes! I was particularly attracted to the Sono Sion. That car would have been marvelous here in southern Arizona, USA, where we get around 300 days of clear, sunny weather annually. I've been driving a 2012 Mitsubishi i-MiEV for 8 years now and I'll never go back to fossil fuel transportation. At the very least, I will get my little EV trickle charged with a portable PV panel rig and LFP batteries in my upcoming retirement years. Not quite the same as being able to solar charge while moving, but the next best thing. Best wishes to all these forward looking companies for pushing the boundaries with their solar electric cars. One of them will break through someday. Very nice overview video on this topic.
What's needed is to utilize the less friction-efficient zones of the car for miniature, vertical wind turbines which can supplement the solar energy during non-Sunny days (or at night), both when it's at stand-still (when the atmospheric conditions are most likely to be conducive to it being windier around the car) and when it's in use.
Something else they need to do is create different configurations for different purposes. The single-person, the two-person, and the 5-seat sedan sizes would be a real plus. Each still needs room for groceries, handicap apparatus, fluids for the car, a jumpstarter, and a folding or pop-out sunshade. Each also still needs a multi-size cup-holder and something to put a box of tissues in. A good addition would be a set of small hooks meant to hang small trash bags from. Each needs a locking glove box, and overhead light, and ceiling handle-bars. Including some sort of attachable shade-tent would be epic. Anyway, different configurations for different numbers of total people, from 1 to 5, would really help to make this more reasonable for people to put the money towards. No one wants to pay for excess space they're not actually using!
I was super excited when I watched the fully charged show on the light year. Light year built what every EV car should be. The light year is a role model! It saddens me that the company is now bankrupt. I think they were ahead of their time!
Did you watch the video...
No future if you are dead now.
Excellent video, thanks. Yes I'd buy the solar car. The low maintenance and running costs make anything like that completely sensible.
Dogogo, I would love to see a video about some of the challenges and barriers to solar efficiency as well as renewable energy solutions!! Your videos are so great keep up the amazing work
My toddler has demanded I get all manner of monster truck, keep wrangler/gladiator etc. for my next car. Maybe I can cheer him up by giving him the science and economy of the 30k solar car that has no VROOOOmmm.
It's really sad seeing innovative companies and innovative ideas were getting disappeared 😢
Tbh, it seems like the best option is to just have your standard electric car with some cheap, light solar capabilities to augment its range. The solar panels on the car is probably never going to be as efficient as a large scale solar farm or even rooftop solar, since you have to drive it around with you, so it will definitely be very expensive and inefficient
I was going to comment exactly this. Why put advanced, much more complicated and expensive solar panels on a car when you could instead add the same amount of energy production on a farm and just let the panels sit there passively generating power instead of carrying the power production around literally everywhere you drive. Whatever extra cost of installing these panels on the body of a car could much better be spent adding panels to anywhere else like we already regularly do.
Now I'm picturing the ultimate "green energy" vehicle. Self-adjusting rotating satellite solar panels on the roof, and a turbine in the middle of the front hood for wind power.
@@xX1Mankrik3Xx That would be stupid, you increase drag and loose efficiency much more than you produce energy, you're thinking of a perpetual motion machine which breaks the laws of physics
@@LeAdri1du40 I put "green energy" in quotes because it was a gag idea. Definitely not something that would produce good results haha. 😅
You know which electric vehicle has unlimited range without solar panels or charging or batteries?
Trains.
Glad you mentioned aptera I’ve been following them for awhile, I really really think that they could succeed they’ve been designing around advice given by industry leaders like sandy monroe that I think could push them over the edge
DUDE! You got on the ABC!!!? Congratulations!!!
Thanks Dagogo another great vid! 😊 Yes I would definitely buy one especially as my needs are mostly local. Keep up the great work! 👍
Would absolutely get a slow solar car and I currently drive an EV that can do 0-100kmh in well under 4 seconds. Keeping a very close eye on Aptera and really hope they make it. Great video as always!
Aptera isn't a car. It's a motorcycle. Anything with fewer than four tires is a motorcycle, so they don't have to add the weight of all the safety features of a car.
@@darrennew8211 While low weight is obviously good for range, it's challenging to make such cars safe. For me that's a problem.
@@darrennew8211 I'm well aware of what the Aptera is classified as, especially in my own state. :) But given that it has seats, a steering wheel, a wind shield, doors, keeps me dry in the rain, things like that, I consider it a car. Cheers.
@@KitelessRex Yeah. I was coming at it from "we call it a motorcycle because that way we don't need all that heavy safety equipment like air bags and roll bars." It's a pretty standard EV dodge trading safety for mileage.
However, I'm told it's actually classified as an "autocycle" because it's enclosed and has seatbelts and such, so you don't have to wear a helmet. I guess legislators figured it out and came up with an appropriate set of safety standards after all.
@@Pyriold However, I'm told it's actually classified as an "autocycle" because it's enclosed and has seatbelts and such, so you don't have to wear a helmet. I guess legislators figured it out and came up with an appropriate set of safety standards after all.
The specs were really impressive, how often do you need to reach 100km/h in less than ten seconds, and how often do you drive faster than 160km/h? These are that were almost impressive with a normal petrol car when i grew up in the 80s.
You wouldn't have to develop a new car, but a retrofit kit for e-cars, a kind of solar film that you could simply stick on the roof and then connect to the battery. That would be cool.
Nope. The mass, weight, aero of any current e-car means thats not a possibilty not even even slightly. As it says at the end, solar on the new Prius may add all of 4 miles a day (and thats probably in Arizona, and then you'd need more than that amount of wattage to cool the car down because its been parked in the baking sun all day.
If it was as simple as slapping some film on dont you think everyone and his dog would have done it by now?
@@Joe-lb8qn
Of course you can't drive every day for free with the relatively small area on the roof, but 5 km x 30 days = 150 km per month - this is just about the idea.
It would be better if you could apply a photovoltaic-paint. The entire paint would then produce electricity. 🙂
@@Christentum_enttarnt now remove the AC needed to cool the car, account for the paint damage for the car being left in blazing sun all day , the extr cost and complexity and reflect that 150km is maybe 20 minutes charge whilst you are doing something and you get an idea why people haven't been slapping this on cars from day one. If you think it's so easy why have to date every single manufacturer failed to do this simple thing?
Not going to work. The Lightyear is threading the needle on the numbers in a way that no other car can accomplish. If you add panels to an existing EV, you'll just make it heavier and more expensive to drive with very little ROI from the solar power.
One minor detail. The Lightyear Zero is not a sedan, but a hatchback. I always love the vid's of Dagogo
Loved it. Thanks for doing what you do!
There will be a Sun Tax. Mark my words!
I thought Degogo left the channel and someone else took over
Me toooooo 😭😭 except i thought he hired some voice actor
Solar cars is an inherently stupid idea. Just save money and put the panels on your roof. With it charge you cars or any appliance in the house.
You don't need to carry around expensive, and fragile solar panels in a suboptimal position.
Thin film have about half the life of glass. Carrying around ~$1K of solar on the road is irresponsible towards everyone else.
And if you live in an apartment?
@@glennzajic7318 if you live in an apartment you probably shouldn't be buying a ~$35K car. Look for less than $15K, preferably less than $10K.
@@artsmith103 Many apartments are very high end and cost more than houses. They are not always for the poor. That does not mean you can put solar on the roof of a building you do not own.
@@glennzajic7318 Apartments don't have to be for the poor, they make people poor. The fancier the faster.
Nostalgia Dream is and will always be my jam. Nice one. ❤❤❤
Very Cool, but what about strong winds? Can the car hold the road? Sorry if that is a silly question.
I don't think it's light weight is gonna make blow it away in the wind
unless the weather starts getting way more gnarly... which, hey - that's not happening though right
A bit more on Eindhoven: Recently, the team has stopped attending the world solar challenge as they found it was too easy. Most recently, they built a solar camper. - A member of the University of Minnesota Solar Vehicle Project
Aptera is actually REALLY fast accelerating, 3s to 60mph, technically it's not a car but it has a ton of space and a huge boot, they have been updating everything constantly through videos and have Sandy Munro on their team so they are probably going to make it to mass production
4seconds but yes, I’m waiting for the Aptera. I bought a preorder around 20,000. They are now at over 45k pre orders.
@taylork420 still really fast for such an efficiency oriented vehicle, I've been thinking about boying it for the last year, but I'm from Europe so there could be some time to when it arrives here, repairability is also a really nice thing, looking at how much kilometers can even an old Tesla S make, there's a pretty decet chance this thing can go for a million kilometers without major repairs
And don't forget that after covid a lot of companies allow working from home, so on those days you can leave your car outside to charge
Yes and that is why I have a reservation for an Aptera and I have invested in their mission!
The concept seems completely pointless to me. Just put solar panels on the roof of your house instead and fit a battery twice as large in the car. Then you've got 10 times the solar generation, 2 times the range and 2 times the performance on your car. All for half the price.
Yes and the weight of the battery doesn't matter at all. You haven't even watched one minute of the video.
@@OuterTapes That's exactly right, weight doesn't matter much, that's physics for you. And considering that this Lightyear 0 is just as heavy as a Model 3 -despite having a smaller battery and being 10 times as expensive build - I'd say that solar panels don't exactly save weight anyway.
Try harder.
Not pointless. Think of all the people who don't own a house to put solar panels on.
@@hannorichter7576 Hahaha, yeah, what a great solution is it to that! €250.000 for €2.000s worth of solar panels. Come on man.
Love your work man. (As an Aussie) It' so good to see you flying the flag for Australia with such great content!!
I just fly the flag for honesty.
"🚗💨 This video charged my day more than a solar car in the Sahara! Keep up the electrifying content! ⚡😂"
There's a really big scalability problem with automotive energy efficiency. There is a near inverse relationship between drag coefficient and spacial efficiency of a vehicle. the more aerodynamic a vehicle is, especially a solar vehicle, the less of it's footprint is usable for passenger and payload volume. This is very bad for land use. It's like how CAFE makes American trucks way too big, except that CAFE is a government contrived equation, while the space wasted by aero design is inherent. That's not to say that a Toyota Hiace can't have reasonable aero, but optimizing aero becomes costly the farther it is taken.
I would get two of them. I was gutted when Sono and Lightyear didn’t make it. I hope they will one day come back and smash it.
60km is great, when I lived in Tauranga NZ, I lived in a great spot, I could travel from home to work, to the Post Office, Supermarket and home again and the round trip was little over 6km. Which would mean I would have 55km worth of power to feed to the grid each day for most of the year.
I would love to get.
Man! I used to drive Reva i for years 😅 now in BMW i3 and i would love one of these. Great work.
Good to see. I put a down payment on the "camper" version of the Aptera. Hope they make it. I also pre-ordered the earlier version that failed. They hired an old-school CEO from Detroit. He wound up scrapping the pre-production design because its window was hard to order fast food at a drive through. After bankruptcy, the founders bought back the IP.
What is wrong with equipping the parking spot with solar? way "cheaper" in engineering sense than carrying the panels on the car all the time. And stationary panels can be properly angled to ensure efficieny. And they keep your car from rain and snow when sun does not shine. And they keep producing to grid when car is not home. And they are easier to maintain. Charging in transit is just not that useful to justify the extra weight and complexity.
Maybe a small panel could be useful to run the AC when car is not plugged in, sure. But other than that, it would be hard to justify putting panels on the car rather than on the parking lot.
in sunny south EU - range of 60 km is perfectly fine. Wish the project and the team all the very best in these uncharted territories.
As a person who's done that Darwing to Adelaide drive in a solar car, Im very excited to see competitors daring to take our fun little school projects to the next level.
I drove past them one year in an ICE car, purely by accident (Adelaide to Alice).
Countries in the tropics will definitely buy the premium version given the savings and the profit potential in hooking up to the grid.
It would be interesting to see of larger vehicles like ambulances or buses with this concept.
I’ve driven the Sono prototype car. It was quite an attractive no-nonsense car. I would have liked to buy one.
Thank you for producing this and posting it. Very informative. I appreciate your artistry.
Hahaha that intro clip saying that efficiency is overlooked in modern car design, hold on I have to join a meeting right now about pushing the efficiency of our motor beyond the laws of physics I’ll be right back 😂 spoken like a true automotive journalist
I think the lightyear 0 is an amazing car. Even the stats are impressive enough for me, speed and acceleration, i think with the amount of work that went into it, i think 320k is a fair prize... if i was a millionaire, i would definitely buy it... am just in love with the concept. Creating this car is no small task
It was not. It was not even a product. They planned to make 150 cars, you know how may were sold AND shipped to customers? 0. Not a single one. Its so much fun that after the decade long scamming mayhem we saw from theranos to nikola people are still seeing this project as a valid product.... Wake up doode...
This will be amazing in India... I don't drive more than 60kms and there's scroting sunlight for 300days/year.. our speed limit is 80kmph in the City. This was a revolutionary product
Best channel on UA-cam!!!
It's a great idea and, on the surface, would be perfect for someone like me who drives less than 20km on most days from where I live in Scarborough to where I work in Osborne Park and back... BUT my car is kept in a garage at home and in undercover parking at work so is only exposed to the sun for very short bursts. This sort of car would be good for someone who keeps it outdoors when not using it, but I'm not so sure it would be particularly useful for the many people who now have their car out of the sun most of the time.
such a freaking nice channel!!
I like the mindset. Never understood why high horse power and top speed matters, usually (especially in cities) you never go over 70-90kph, even on highways 130-150 is more than enough. High acceleration is also pointless in cities going from red light to red light. With a "weaker" car being much more efficient, lighter, smaller, it can cross the treshold to be sustained by solar panels on the roof, which is a complete game changer.
You are amazing Deggo, great research, beautifully presented as always
Yes, I would gladly buy one! Excellent content, thanks...
I'd have no problem with the top speed and acceleration, but I find it funny how in the sound bites they keep saying how efficiency makes things cheaper - while the car sells for 296K dollars!
Brilliant, informative video. Cheers for making it
I have a deposit on a Aptera. It isn't expensive to do so, either. I didn't go for the 1000 mile battery, deciding that 400 miles, even with my current work commute, is sufficient. My biggest concern about the Aptera, aside from whether they finally build it, is noise that is not aerodynamically generated (tire noise, noise from other cars). With the large amount of space behind the seats, it will manage to be more car than I normally need, as far as that goes.
On the matter of the Lightyear taking ten seconds to reach 60 mph, consider that most people don't use what they have. Aside from on ramps for freeways, most people are somewhat leisurely at acceleration, easily within the capabilities of something that takes 10 seconds to reach 60. I drive a car that reaches 60 in the mid five second range, and if I deploy that on the street, most of the time, it's like I engaged a warp drive the way the traffic is suddenly well behind me. Also, ten seconds to 60 is enough to beat some cars you'd be surprised at. A '55 Chevy, with a V8, will barely beat that, depending on the transmission choice and gearing as there were several options and to get that, a manual was the way to go. A Cadillac Fleetwood from that year is over a second slower. Both of those are based on articles on Curbside Classic that show original road test data. Also, when Car and Driver tested a new for '82 Trans Am with the standard powertrain (5 liter V8, four speed manual), it took 10.6 seconds to reach 60.
I'd like to see solar power be the way to go, even if I think that it's most likely to be a way to charge the car at home. Among other considerations, we spend too much on gas, and make someone else rich with what we currently have.
Kiss that deposit goodbye.