Yea, but Japan had a pathway to being a more trustworthy producer of products. China is not going to be increasing transparency and reducing corruption anytime soon.
Here in Brazil Tesla hasn't done much because of their luxury positioning on our market and lack of support. BYD however is allegedly the reason we no longer have tax exemptions on imported EVs. They are stirring the market and annoying the big brands.
Easy to do when you steal tech others developed and have production subsidized by a state that indirectly controls the company and with that the software while looking at cars as surveillance platforms. It's a trojan horse.
Yep back in the 70s and 80s American car companies were making BIG gas guzzling cars that people didn’t really need. Japanese cars came in and took over. I feel like it’s the same with Tesla and BYD
Watching this yesterday (from Brazil) and I thought to myself "how the hell is BYD gonna sell electric cars in Brazil? we dont even have charging stations." Lo and behold, I just came across a news article saying that just today BYD announced the construction of a charging station just a couple of miles from my home
@@KaiserAfini Tell that to Tesla who openly spying on you to avoid liabilities. So far there are no mas burning of BYD in Australia/UK like people like Serpenza want you to believe.
@@KaiserAfiniYou mean any software that made by Facebook ,Tesla, Amazon and Google? and you aware Tesla and other EV company using BYD battery right? even you phone and laptop mostlikely use BYD battery.
Here in brazil they bought a closed Ford factory, supposed to start operations in mid-late 2024. And in Brazilians car market they probably will push all the prices down.
I agree, but he is spreading himself a little bit thin. As with many UA-camrs, he can’t possibly know as much as he talks about. Still he does a good job. I enjoy it but I don’t take it too seriously
Here in SEAsia they are gaining a lot of popularity. Literally from one month where I didn't see any of those BYD cars to the next where I saw then quite often until now where I see those cars every day multiple times.
Here in Brazil BYD is dominating! The Dolphin is everywhere, being priced cheaper than many SUVs available on the market. There are reports of people using them at Uber with almost 100.000 kilometers without problems. GWM is also growing up over here, and Volkswagen is left behind offering zero hybrid cars. Do I think BYD will take over? I think it already took!
As an Australian motor mechanic, I think that BYD will do well here if/when they have a good warranty record and support from the factory. Most current legacy ICE vehicle companies are becoming very difficult to extract warranty claims out of, the most notable exceptions being Hyundai and Kia who are easy to deal with. The BYD pricing is compelling, as long as the long perceived 'poor Chinese quality' becomes a thing of the past, they'll grow here.
Australia can’t afford to finance President Xi’s predatory takeover of the global automotive industry. Boycott anything that comes out of China except for t-shirts and underwear. Support Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan and Malaysia first.
Got a BYD Atto 3, 5 months ago. My first EV after upgrading from a Hyundai I10. Very satisfied so far. Absolutely no issues so far and it more or less drives itself on the highway with the adaptive speed control
@@ze-ph9774 not MINE ncap ratings. They are done by insurance companies. Now try again And why don't u prove it . Where are ncap paid ?? Where the procedures were bypassed ?. Kindly show sources and proof . I ll wait
Here in Brazil, they are growing in Uber drivers with the Dolphin. They are comfortable, low taxes, and most important: they don't run on fuel, which is the main cost of driving Uber here, since our fuel prices are so high. Brazil has 1.6 million app drivers.
He rushes too much to make his videos these days, just like about everyone else on UA-cam. No matter what you see here you can be sure there are lots of errors and misinformation. Not everything is wrong here, there’s a lot of good information also but it’s hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. It’s one thing to say BYD sells more cars than Tesla, it’s another thing to see that Tesla sales in dollars per year smashes BYD. Confusion says nothing about that, and also says nothing about profits. A lot is left out here! Watch these videos for Entertainment not for comprehensive information anymore. They are just rushed and junkie. Not bad but junkie
Tesla's sales in dollars don't matter. They are badly made cars, and BYD is growing far faster than Tesla is. The fact is many more people will be driving Chinese EVs soon. @@steveperreira5850
I already drive a Lynk & Co 01, another Chinese car (Volvo collaboration). The car is amazing value for the price. I'd get another Chinese car in a heartbeat. I don't get the distrust by some people. China makes great products, including cars. I'm not a nationalist, I'm a consumer. I just want the best value my money can buy. If European or US manufacturers want me to buy their cars, they need to step up their game, and give me a good reason to do so.
@@MaticTheProto Out of all Chinese car brands in my country, I trusted Geely more than the others, quality wise. Pricing can compete with others but the quality is 1 notch above.
I was in Mexico City less than a month ago, and was absolutely stunned by how commonplace these Chinese TVs are there. They really are having a huge impact in a short time.
@@dkblack1289Well, they are both kinda like appliances. 🤷. EVs like personal electronics ie smartphones will depreciate much faster than an ICE counterpart. A 5-8 year old EV will feel ancient. Savagegeese made multiple videos about the subject.
Many OEM companies make good appliances and sell them at a cheaper price than the actual brand that contract them. Many of those big name brands are just that, a brand that contract the big OEM companies and set high or low quality standards based on what they are willing to pay.
I was a material planner for a leading electric agri mfg in 2021 and we were heavily considering their blade battery designs. Safety being the biggest pro. Would have been a good move but then you become entirely dependent and that wasn't ideal for us. Great vid. Thanks!
I bought an MG4 (SAIC) and no complaints so far. The memories of buying a Daewoo as my first car in the 90s keep ringing in my head but these feel different.
The rise of BYD reminds me of Hyundai automotive in the 1980s. A very similar story arc. On a related note, it would be interesting for you to look into Geely. Geely owns the Volvo and Lotus car brands as well as having major relationships with Daimler and Renault. Its business strategy is very different from BYD, but it shares the low-cost Chinese manufacturing base and deep history in both ICE and electric vehicles. BYD's advantage selling into North America and Europe is that is already owns brands with a rich history and positive customer image. Volvo-BYD is rolling out an all-electric lineup over the next few years. Whether it will go after the $30,000 and under market in the US is unknown.
In South Africa, electric vehicles come with a hefty price tag, making them unaffordable for many. Those committed to reducing vehicle emissions should closely examine BYD's competitive market pricing.
Is anyone old enough to remember when Great Wall Motors 1st entered Australia? Their Utes were, let's say, less than great. But within 12 months they had improved quality, interior design and safety. MG have done the same. I've looked at a number of BYD cars that I've seen parked in the local shops, etc. And I have to say that I'm tempted to try one out.
@@jjsadv They are only good for paved road light use. Not as good as the likes of Triton or Ranger in off road. But they are perfectly good for situations where reliability is not a concern. Its a weird statement, but thats how a few GW friends put it, all of them are tradies. to them its the perfect throw away car for 3-4 years while they save up for a hilux, if its not for me having bought a triton last year, i would have gotten a GW now. it feels like a modern car with all the bells and whistles but doesnt break the bank.
I work for a Company that has some products manufactured in China and as long as you have QA people in China the products are more realiable than products we have manufactured in Europe. I'd be happy to buy a BYD once they gey the software upgrade for their lane assist right
Same experience, I travel to China frequently to coordinate with local factories, the fact is the quality of the products we imported to US can't compare with what they made for their local markets. They can make top quality products these days, but we can't afford those anymore, the shipping cost, tariffs, and Americans are not willing to pay more either.
@@ZakiHaider-y9o Really? I feel like more people are buying from TEMU and Shein. I talked with my Chinese friends, and they were surprised that Americans are buying those craps, while those better-quality brands never arrived in US.
I am from Brazil, here a see a lot of BYDs on the streets daily. But here they are very expensive, maybe due to the import taxes .... In general cars are very expensive here anyway, but EVs are even more costly. That being said, for those that can afford, BYD is the cheapest one.
So interesting that this came out now - I noticed a BYD for the first time in the UK last week. Since then I've heard multiple mentions of them. Great video, thanks.
One of the biggest misconceptions I see with things being made in china is people assuming that means they’re bad quality. China can make basically everything in whatever quality they like. Just looked at how incredibly well they’ve been able to manufacture iPhones so reliably in such huge volume to which a high standard. But of course a lot of trash gets made there too, but they certainly doesn’t mean they can only make trash. I really have no doubt that they can start to have big market shares in the western car market. They will make the products they need to in order to sell well in those markets, and I think they’ll make great cars to do so.
And they are blocking the EV market from reaching the masses. In Europe all EV are super expensive right now. They just don't build affordable EV cars here, they are all high end.
Even with tariffs, the cost difference between current US EV market and the price of BYD vehicles could still potentially be a competitive business opportunity.
What a lovely episode as always. You should try to make a little more videos about financial frauds, there are a lot of good examples such as the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, oh the 1970s Lockheed bribery scandal, the Arthur Andersen bankruptcy, Nortel, Parmalat, Petrobas, the FIFA scandal.
Well, nicely written, but full of lies and misrepresentations. Berkshire-Hathaway now owns maybe 3% of the company stock, not 10%. The got rid of most of that junk paper in last 5 months... BYD cars - especially in China - are seeing a huge increase in accidents due to faulty components or software, which is the main driver of the fall in sales (in other words: BYD cars are killing their owners in China at an astonishing rate, so people do not buy them, especially since they're comparable in pricing with Tesla). Tesla is being targeted by chinese government with severe restrictions, decreasing their sale artificially (main reason: Teslas are driving espionage tool)... So, RIvian is in huge financial hole, Polestar has just been left to die by it's CHINESE owners and Lucid... well, Lucid is a banner for EV failure. GM, VW and PSA all announced reducing/discontinuing EV production and EU just announced investigation into illegal practices by BYD/CCP/PRC (which seem to be so intertwined to be indistinguishable), so 2024 will be the last year for most of the china's REMAINING (as 30+ manufacturers in China closed in 2023) EV industry. BYD with it's poor quality will not survive. As for numbers: in 2023 BYD sold 1.575M cars (which is an inflated number, because they are selling their cars to dealers, who are left out-of-pocket if car goes unsold), while Tesla sold - AND DID IT DIRECTLY TO CONSUMER, SO THEIR NUMBER IS VERIFIABLY ACCURATE - 1.81 million cars...
@@stanleychen2584 that is very true. But the point of misleading viewers still stands as the car sales of BYD aren't taken with a grain of salt. If you're interested in why, just watch these wonderful EVs rotting in a Field: ua-cam.com/video/1SEfwoqKRU8/v-deo.htmlsi=JSswleq7eXerUAzs
Just watched your latest missiv. I've driven a Tesla model S (five years) and although i was happy with it, the build quality and the road noise in the cabin was not the best. I switched to a Nissan Ariya which is a better build but the software is not where it should be and i had a dead traction battery at 20k which was replaced under warranty(it took nissan three months to sort out out). Given the size of BYD and what I've learnt in this video i would be prepared to run one. I am convinced they would as good of not better than anything I've had or drive now.
Im Indian and BYD currently sells 2 or 3 models here in India. I wish they expand in India too cause what the Indian players such as Mahindra and Tata are doing is ,they are relaunching their combustion vehicles as EVs. Even though Mahindra announced its EV Subcompany ,but it will still be up not before 2025. And the reviews that I've seen of the BYD Atto3 ,BYD is definitelt value for money
The most important factors - residual value and running cost - will proof the sustainability of (Chinese) EVs over periods of 5 to 10 years. With Tesla dropping sales prices reduces the 2nd hand value and increases write-off for owners, making it harder to buy a new car. EVs must proof to be low on running cost and affordable. A manufacturer shake-out is inevitable.
in that sense for BYD both owning the cars and the manufacturing for the batteries that they need. They could factor that in. As the biggest sustainability point would be to make it economically viable to swap out that battery pack. Of the movable parts you might need to replace the wheels, breaks, tires. Like some might only need replacement every 10 years (a car lives about 20/30 years). For a company like BYD it would also mean that they can continu making money on the cars for replacing that battery pack. other companies could also tap in to that marked if they also want to do that on the EU marked. then you get even mor competition on both the cars and the batteries for them.
Here's the TWO reasons why: 1) Byd is a worldwide manufacturer and supplier and therefore has access to the latest technology designed around the world. And they were suppliers because of bang for buck. Meaning that they know the cost to make things and therefore could make similar or better tech for a much more affordable price. 2) Tesla was always doomed?! So many Tesla fanboys talk about the imaginary $25K Tesla. There are more affordable electric cars in Europe and Asia. And Africa buy cars from China and India. Like, less than $20K, even less than $10K. You're not competing with that. Tesla NEVER had a chance outside of America. At most, it was a "flex" car. A lot of countries can't afford their current line up, they oblige you to use their services and the countries which can afford their car, not only have domestic and regional alternatives, they also have a good public transit system. No one needs a long range electric. On top of that, American cars are not seen as reliable. People who paid attention to the international car world, knew this was going to happen sooner or later.
Musk is also a very controversial figure now. You have many that would never buy a car from Tesla simply because of politics (of which Elon had every opportunity to just keep quiet about, like a good CEO would).
I own a BYD Tesla Model Y Standard Range and it has the greatest battery of any EV I could imagine. The charging curve is just the same and not depending on state of charge. You can plug in with 90 % and get 175 kW of charging. It’s nuts!
Being based in Germany I am very aware and like Chinese e-cars. Especially Geely and it's babies, like Polestar, Zeekr and Lotus do not get enough attention IMHO. Thanks for this episode! Great as always!
The first BYD product I ever saw irl was a forklift, it was a few months after a watched a review of Doug DeMuro of a BYD EV, I was like wow they even make forklifts, but then I noticed buses and the whole other line up of vehicles.
It is this competitiveness that causing the west to ressult to wars. After all, that is all the west has ever known. This time round, war will not work for them for othef countries has enough firepower to respond to Amagedonic level. Capitalism does not brook competition unless you belong to the club. I find most comments are alarmed. Why don't they build their own dreams like literally the Chinese car is openly urging.
All just millennial pipe dreams for people to dull to see the true facts. Mainly because they beleive con men like Elon, SBF, Elisabeth Holmes and of coarse Donald Trump the biggest CXXt of them all. But I guess when you have you tube who needs education.
19:50 No, Toyota is not "set on burying its head in the sand". They are taking more conservative steps, by focusing on hybrids. Personally, I like Toyota's approach.
I agree with you. Lots of people talk down about Toyota. But if you see the other brands it makes zero sense for them to be investing so hard into EVs atm. Here in the US only Tesla is really selling very well. All other EVs sold at or under 40k units which is terrible. You can see the struggle and risks legacy automakers have with EVs watching VW, Ford, GM, and the Koreans. There are still so many issues with EVs. Plus EVs are so unaffordable and depreciate so fast as their batteries will become useless for the used car market buyer and new tech keeps making the older models obsolete. EVs are still not a viable option for most and won't be for many decades at the current pathetic rate. There is very little reason to believe EVs will get significantly more cheaper when so much that's been around for decades like homes and other cars keeps getting more expensive. EVs are loaded with all sorts of stupid gimmicks that will break eventually. So are ICE cars to be fair. But Toyota definitely better be investing tons of money into R&D for EVs. Looking into it and being ready if it does get better might be worth it.
@@roku_nineWith Toyota and Lexus Hybrid waiting period I doubt they will be die and crumble. how you die and crumble when your demand outpacing your production by 1-2 years ?
Gosh I hope they come to North America. We're getting absolutely gouged on car prices here in Canada, and there just aren't that many small, cheap cars to choose from anymore. We could use more competition.
To be fair though as a guy who owns a small cheap car...they just don't sell. I'm going based off the USA data so I assume it's even smaller for Canada. Lots of small subcompacts have incredibly small profits. The low sales just meant there was more money elsewhere. They were in a constant decline. It's hard to justify to automakers and the people who control the purse strings to fund a segment that brings in little money and has no future growth potential in the foreseeable future. Anyway after owning Mt Honda Fit and seeing its terrible quality and poor safety for this segment, I do not ever plan on owning a small "cheap" car ever again. I appreciate the gas mileage though.
Although more like us Europeans you are still more similar to Americans in other ways, the USA I know it will not allow Chinese cars but Canada probably will allow it but remember you aren’t paying Chinese prices you will pay at least double that, China amd other poorer countries don’t have the same safety requirements making the cars cheaper to make than for North America,Europea ect then you need to add import fees, the cheapest ev in Europe is the Dacia spring for 22K but only has 200km of range,Citroen is going to launch the Citroen e-c3 for 23k€,mg4 costs 29K
@@NOBODY-oq1xr I think about it a lot. But I don't think you would be able to understand just how poorly handled small cars are here in the US...or were. You sit in one it's a penalty box. It lacks features that your first used car had. I'm pretty skinny and not tall yet it's somewhat cramped. They never deisgned these cars for American tastes. They were deisgned for Europe and then half heartily brought over. In terms of deisgn. Americans never really like hatchbacks. But trying to convert a hatchback to a sedan looks dorky. Like the Ford Fiesta or Chevy Sonic. Also safety. I will most certainly die hitting a tree in my Honda Fit. I will not survive hitting another Fit or especially a Camry or F-150. There is a market for small cars. But if they want to expand they really need to make desirable product's and stop the cost cutting. People on a budget didn't even buy small cars as going to the used car market for a bigger, nicer, prettier, better built car was more desirable.
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BYD is a big deal here in Costa Rica, except of course like with all cars the prices are almost double than what they are in other countries, so the Seagull here starts at $21,990...
The BYD brand is growing from strength to strength. Yes it started with ICE cars at first, but that's how it learned how to make vehicles correctly & to a high standard. So now they've finally entered the EU market they are ready to go, 5 star Euro NCAP awards to all their cars they're selling in the EU, that alone should send out the correct signals to buyers. Also, to be fair to their design, they look awesome now too! Yes I would buy one for sure. I've had EV's for the last 6 years and can say that these BYDs are on par if not ahead quality, finish and tech wise to their peers in the EU, Korea & US. This is what new to EV buyers have been waiting for, reliable, safe & cheap cars. They are going to absolutely grab the market share for sure. The next problem for them to solve is the infrastructure for charging, certainly here in Ireland. If they enter that market too, well that will close the circle won't it?
If the "long range" Seagull was available for the price of the Kia Rio (< $17k) in the US, it could find a lot of buyers as commuter cars. The dual motor Song L would be right up my alley if it were available in the US for competitive prices. Note, the 251 miles for the Seagull is CLTC, which averages about 35% higher than EPA range estimates. So this would be ~162 miles EPA rated.
Although China allows Tesla to be sold in China, the United States will never allow Chinese electric cars to be sold in the United States. . Because the United States is a local protectionist country
A few days ago, BYD announced that the price of its "Qin" is 79,800 yuan, about 11,500 US dollars. The Qin is a compact sedan, similar to the model 3, and such a car will never appear in the United States.
Buyers should consider not just the cost of the product but also the quality of the relationship and mindset of the product's origin countries. Are they trying to destroy you with your hard earned money? One should ask before making a decision. Overly relaying on one nation is a dangerous business for future generations, especially Australia.
@@Zmyszen That's the reaction of a crying baby that saw the success of a "Chinese company" and immediately starts criticizing. BYD is the leading battery company and there isn't any safer EV than BYD's atm. Even Tesla are buying battery from them.
@@jasonpapai tesla fanboy? At this point delusional is to think they’re not good, I see them (BYD vehicles) more and more everyday in Europe, where restrictions are more strict than USA. I’m first to think that Chinese shouldn’t be guarantee of quality but I get proven wrong every time, but I think time will tell “how” good they are but they’re good for sure, price when compared to tesla is a big selling point but even tesla is dropping their prices, and tesla up until now has have lots of quality issues.
To me DJI has been excellent for a long time. My old Mavic Pro is built like a tank and taken a beating. Other than a broken prop (from user error) it has been flawless still to this day. I've also got sim racing gear from Moza that has been awesome too.
As someone in Africa, if they bring it in my country, I will definitely consider buying one. Apart from the Japanese all other car manufacturers look at us like the plague. And the Chinese will definitely shore up tonnes of spare parts. I think Toyota just missed the boat. To put it into context, they're building very affordable luxury apartments in the country. Also they're offering all the finishing at affordable wholesale prices. Cheaper than what you'd even get from South Africa at the quality is sublime. Now, imagine with cars. Japan may have affordable ICE cars, but the spare parts are very expensive, most people have to import used ones from Japan or Dubai.
My country is infested with these BYDs, it started a few years ago and electric models are being added to the market. As for the oldest models, they seem to keep in shape, and the newer models, some of them really look nice. If they don't start to explode everywhere, it looks very promising for BYD.
I don't think they will explode, I am talking about an unlikely worst case scenario. But BYD is good, as I said the newer EVs are nice, and early F0 models are still around.
I stay in China, and i can attest to the fact that BYD has nice cars. A friend of mine has the BYD Han. A very nice and comfortable car. If i were to stay here indefinitely, i would buy this car
I just love this channel but this video has a bit of error: You failed to mention that the figures from BYD are all BEV (battery electric vehicles) (even plug in hybrids etc..) When it comes to pure EV sales, tesla sold around 1.8 million cars in 2023, and BYD sold around 500k pure BEV vehicles.. So tesla is almost 4x bigger than BYD when it comes to pure EV sales
I'd love to know about the battery charging speed and, most importantly availability of places where we could recharge. It is more important than range or esthetics in my opinion
In Thailand BYD position them self not as a cheap car or affordable car company. Similar to the most China car companies, GWM, Deepal, AION. Their prices are around 3-5k usd cheaper than Tesla.
Something to keep in mind is that in China, there are no private businesses. BYD is operated by the Chinese Government. Anything they say the company needs to do, it will do. Something to consider when letting a car like that into your life.
Over reliance on touchscreens.. Tesla enters the chat. Which is a real problem, boutons and switches are so much easier because you can feel what you are adjusting.. that being said it’s way cheaper and easily changeable. Tesla could be so much more, I believe more pressure and options are a good thing, but I also understand keeping manufacturing in house, which is definitely a good thing. I would probably buy one if the crash test was high enough and parts were available, the second one being why I stayed away from Tesla.
Even though they do not have the best margins in the auto business I think this is by design as they see that almost all other auto manufacturers is scaling down their EV efforts, there is just one way I see this ending. BYD also supplies batteries to Tesla..
@@aussie_al Umm, no they don't. There hasn't been a single fire caused by the Blade batteries. They're far safer than the NMC batteries used by most other EVs by chemistry.
@@oxaile4021 >> Umm, no they don't. There hasn't been a single fire caused by the Blade batteries. > They're far safer than the NMC batteries used by most other EVs by chemistry.
They are very popular here in Thailand. I also dusted one of their fastest models, the dual motor BYD Seal in my M3 V8 swapped BMW E30 on the highway in Bangkok. So go build that China! German V8 power! Lol
Here in Ecuador they're slowly arriving to the common people. We've had BYD EV taxis and busses for more than 5 year already and they work fine. The dolphin is at 27000 USD . I hope that the seagull comes soon. Though I've heard prices will drop massively by 2025 so if you're not in a hurry probably is worth waiting.
Samsung needed tax breaks and subsidies to become the behemoth in SK. The idea of a company building itself without any form of government assistance is ludicrous
Not a chance I would buy one, I'm coming off a model x and that was the worst experience I ever had with a car, 6 weeks on and off at tesla repair facility to start that ownership experiance and numerous times sitting in murder parking lots charging just to get home from fishing trips, when you have a boat or snowmobile trailer you have to unhook to charge and having a crazy person lose their crap on me because I dared to charge past 80% on a long weekend are just a few reasons why I am done with electric, went back to hybrid Lexus 450 hybrid and don't think about charge stations or door that jammed because you opened it to let your kid in.
Not knowing the brand, I decided to lease an Atto 3 in August 23 to make the jump in EVs. In all honesty, the build quality is fantastic! Previous cars I've owned have been Honda, Subaru and VW, and in all of them I had to get something fixed related to vehicle assembly. There has been nothing wrong on the BYD (touch wood). Very solid, perfect panel alignment, no rattles, everything works. The only things that I would change - the stock tyres are awful in the rain, better thermal blocking glass in windscreen, and the lane departure warning is too sensitive. Everything else is great!
@@dennisestradda9746 i love this part when bots try this And at a Wall Street Journal summit this month, Musk said the government should "just delete" Tesla accepts "certain payroll benefits" from the federal government's $600 billion 2020 pandemic stimulus Steven Mnuchin Former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. Alex Wong/Pool via AP Tesla accepted some of the $600 billion that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin offered corporations early in the pandemic. As Insider reported in July 2020, Tesla did so while Musk was tweeting against government aid for individuals. "Another government stimulus package is not in the best interests of the people imo," Musk tweeted. In Tesla's July 2020 regulatory filing, it mentioned that the company received "certain payroll related benefits," but did not specify any dollar amounts.
In Europe the base model 3 is 5000.- cheaper than the byd seal. with tesla's supercharger network is doesn't make any sense to buy a byd. That only goes for Europe, where the byd sells it's cars 100% more expensive than in China.
BYD Chinese sales are inflated with govt subsidies and no one can really verify a sale in China. Besides, there is a reason Warren Buffet has sold 60% of his position, I bet he saw sth he didn't like
@@ZakiHaider-y9o Why should I? He made an awful lot of effort in research. I am sure he should have come over something about this information. Chinese stuff suffers of lots of issues. Everyone knows it, but its cheap and they just suck it up.
@@chimerahitman not good enough . Either show official ncap ratings or u lost . U said " Battery fires" Do u have to show ncap ratings for safety as they test cars for safety even battery tech 1 month gone. Show ncap ratings or u lost
I have an air of optimism for BYD in Indonesia, due to various reasons: 1. Prior to selling personal cars, BYD had a head start by selling taxis and low-deck electric buses. Their buses have good quality and equally good passenger ergonomics, on par with European low-deck buses that preceded it. 2. Full works support. A few years ago, Tesla already penetrated Indonesian market, but it was small, only sold through one general importer. BYD is different because like other marques in Indonesia, they appoint a brand holder agent, directly under Chinese supervision.
You only have to look on UA-cam for BYD's catching fire, or even major parts of the car falling off, like how does a rear axle just fall off. Sure BYD are cheaper than Tesla, but the quality and safety is far from there. In one video, 3 BYD's and a Merc were all in a bad crash. None of the airbags deployed in the 3 BYD's, while the Merc deployed as intended. The 4 vehicle crash had been caused when a BYD suffered a major mechanical loss, and the other cars crashed into the disabled car. One air bag not deploying is bad luck, but for all airbags in all 3 BYD's to not deploy is a design fail. Also in a dealership, one BYD was responsable for the entire fleet of new cars to be destroyed when it went up in flames. Battery safety is an issue here. To be honest, if you told people to drive any EV, and said "Oh and by the way, there's a live grenade underneath with the pin missing, and the trigger is held down with old duck tape", how many people would seriously drive the EV?
The BYDs that caught fire weren't EVs though, they were plugin hybrids. BYD has recognized the issue and has stopped producing those old unsafe batteries. Their Blade batteries are fundamentally different by chemistry and much safer than what you'd find in most other EVs.
Ok lets do this Kindly show official ncap ratings Also show cars "burned" vs cars sold ? Official reports If ur best bet is videos on UA-cam I have videos on toyota camey catching fire . Anyone can play this game
One missed opportunity in the 60s was the Japanese ICE Kei trucks. As service and delivery vans, these vehicles are massive sellers worldwide. The electric versions of these will do well.
@@walden6272 but the more expensive model Y out sold BYD's several best selling entry level models combined which costs only half or even 1/3 the price. Cheap entry level class of vehicles have way less profit margin.
“You might not be familiar with a little brand called Build Your Dreams” Me, living outside of the US, almost laughed at that. The streets are full of BYDs and the Tang and Yuan are aspirational car for many people
I am old enough to remember how the Japanese car industry went from a laughing stock in the seventies to a dominant player in the European markets. That transformation took nearly two decades and now we see that China is achieving the same thing in just a few years. The big difference between then and now is this; The collective West today has de-industrialized to such a level that it can no longer provide the basis for new large scale industries to compete with any of that. High end manufacturing can not thrive a without low end manufacturing base. I recently visited a chip machine manufacturer in my Netherlands and was told (again) that the main problem that they were facing was finding the people to produce the essential 'nuts and bolts' in the machine shop - not so much getting highly educated engineers to develop and assemble their chip baking machinery. One of the engineers said it best; 'We have trained our janitors to become robot operators - now we are in dire need of janitors'. So you outsource production where you can - which creates its own problems. Local high tech manufacturers relied mainly on cheap Russian energy, raw materials and produce (ironically this dependency includes the defense industries). That critical supply pipeline has now been sanctioned shut. Guess what is happening to those companies as we speak? Worse is to come once the conflict with China heats up and frankly I don't see how high tech in my neck of the woods is going to survive this perfect storm of neo-liberal follies. Back to cars - Germany's EV manufacturers have pretty much thrown in the towel and are instead going for minority stakes in Chinese EV companies. They are admitting defeat and cutting their losses which makes sense short term. This however is always a losing proposition in the long run.
The EU lacks population growth (china will soon have the same issue). That means there simply aren’t enough people for producing everything locally, plus European wages are way higher and workers have actual rights
We have heard those kind of stories before. In 1980s and 90s, the Japanese automakers took over the U.S. market, the Japanese consumer electronics took over the world market.
I pre-booked a BYD Seal two weeks ago. Price is the same as a Tesla model 3 with no extras (paint, rims, autopilot). The BYD interior is very nice and looks high quality vs. Tesla's bare and plasticky interior.
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Remember when people laughed at Japanese cars in the US?
Or British two wheelers thought the Japanese entering the market won't hurt them.
@drzl so it'll make you it's slave?
Yea, but Japan had a pathway to being a more trustworthy producer of products. China is not going to be increasing transparency and reducing corruption anytime soon.
@@mrb152 your avg consumer doesn't give a fuck about that.
You don't understand historical references Bro??@@drzl
Here in Brazil Tesla hasn't done much because of their luxury positioning on our market and lack of support. BYD however is allegedly the reason we no longer have tax exemptions on imported EVs. They are stirring the market and annoying the big brands.
Easy to do when you steal tech others developed and have production subsidized by a state that indirectly controls the company and with that the software while looking at cars as surveillance platforms. It's a trojan horse.
A região Nordeste tá cheia desses BYDs. No hotel onde eu trabalho já vieram Dolphins e Seals, todos de lá
Tesla snobs every developing market. Even big markets like Brazil, Egypt and South Africa
@@jomo2483Snobs?
Yep back in the 70s and 80s American car companies were making BIG gas guzzling cars that people didn’t really need. Japanese cars came in and took over. I feel like it’s the same with Tesla and BYD
American politicians know once they open the floodgates for BYD, no American company can compete with its prices.
Watching this yesterday (from Brazil) and I thought to myself "how the hell is BYD gonna sell electric cars in Brazil? we dont even have charging stations."
Lo and behold, I just came across a news article saying that just today BYD announced the construction of a charging station just a couple of miles from my home
@@KaiserAfini Tell that to Tesla who openly spying on you to avoid liabilities. So far there are no mas burning of BYD in Australia/UK like people like Serpenza want you to believe.
Called building them. Some people ffs
The company I work at has been working on ADs for BYD for 2 years now. It's everywhere on TV now
@@KaiserAfinicope
@@KaiserAfiniYou mean any software that made by Facebook ,Tesla, Amazon and Google? and you aware Tesla and other EV company using BYD battery right? even you phone and laptop mostlikely use BYD battery.
Here in brazil they bought a closed Ford factory, supposed to start operations in mid-late 2024.
And in Brazilians car market they probably will push all the prices down.
they are funded by the country leader.. it is why its cheaper(at first)
its ok when anglo countries do that but when china does its a huge no no @@dertythegrower
@@dertythegrower nobody could do better than Chinese in cost down.
I hope so. Tesla vehicles are literally for millionaires in Brazil.
@@dertythegrower so?
Cold fusion should narrate everything- nature shows, docs, the news etc... perfect voice and delivery for it
I’ve watched his videos for a whole ass decade and that voice is half the reason
wonderful VO for sure
Check out Atomic Shrimp.
Yup agreed.
He should diversify his content.
I agree, but he is spreading himself a little bit thin. As with many UA-camrs, he can’t possibly know as much as he talks about. Still he does a good job. I enjoy it but I don’t take it too seriously
Here in SEAsia they are gaining a lot of popularity. Literally from one month where I didn't see any of those BYD cars to the next where I saw then quite often until now where I see those cars every day multiple times.
CCP bot
@@wildbeast3106 applying your logic, that make you, USA bot?
same here in the Netherlands. one day they just popped up. many Tesla’s too
Hopefully they will come to Europe!
@@Mememeep er i think youll find the Netherlands is in Europe
Here in Brazil BYD is dominating! The Dolphin is everywhere, being priced cheaper than many SUVs available on the market. There are reports of people using them at Uber with almost 100.000 kilometers without problems. GWM is also growing up over here, and Volkswagen is left behind offering zero hybrid cars. Do I think BYD will take over? I think it already took!
Uber sucks, bus transportation which is a mess all around the world is probably a much better option
@@rogantwort7374 why? Have you already tried it? I did and it wasn't a bad experience, actually I didn't notice it was electric
@@deltakid0 Uber sucks? Bus? I want to try what you are using. LOL!
@@deltakid0ain't nobody trying to be packed into bus with sweaty and smelly dudes.
@@weiyang88 you guys are right, choosing between Uber and Bus is like choosing between Cancer and AIDS
Keys to success:
1. First Copy
2. Then Learn
3. Lastly Innovate
Average westerner thinks you have to start with innovating if you're a Chinese.
4. Comment on youtube
That speed Chinese, if you from developed country just jump from step 2
ok...name the last "chinese innovation", I will wait don't worry
All things in and from China are either copied or stolen. They don't innovate because that costs money
As an Australian motor mechanic, I think that BYD will do well here if/when they have a good warranty record and support from the factory.
Most current legacy ICE vehicle companies are becoming very difficult to extract warranty claims out of, the most notable exceptions being Hyundai and Kia who are easy to deal with.
The BYD pricing is compelling, as long as the long perceived 'poor Chinese quality' becomes a thing of the past, they'll grow here.
There used to be a label called “made in Korea” for Deawoo and Hyundai. Now it’s a thing of the past.
Australia is basically a Chinese satellite state. The new Hong Kong
If your ICE cars are hard how about the EVs then 😂😂😂
Australia can’t afford to finance President Xi’s predatory takeover of the global automotive industry. Boycott anything that comes out of China except for t-shirts and underwear. Support Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan and Malaysia first.
Keep that CCP BS outta the states. Everything they send here ravages the land and people by design.
Got a BYD Atto 3, 5 months ago. My first EV after upgrading from a Hyundai I10. Very satisfied so far. Absolutely no issues so far and it more or less drives itself on the highway with the adaptive speed control
RIP lol. J/K, be safe!
@@the_derpler source ??? Proof ???
Kindly share the ncap rating. Let's have fun on
@@jacksmith-mu3ee Your NCAP rating does not exist if it is being paid and bypasses correct procedures even from the origin country itself. gtfo.
@@ze-ph9774 not MINE ncap ratings. They are done by insurance companies. Now try again
And why don't u prove it . Where are ncap paid ??
Where the procedures were bypassed ?.
Kindly show sources and proof . I ll wait
@@jacksmith-mu3ee Why is your name "Jack Smith" when you're clearly Chinese?
Here in Brazil, they are growing in Uber drivers with the Dolphin. They are comfortable, low taxes, and most important: they don't run on fuel, which is the main cost of driving Uber here, since our fuel prices are so high. Brazil has 1.6 million app drivers.
"Brazil has 1.6 million app drivers"
Holy fuck... that's like 1% of the whole population or so. Damn.
@@genghiskhan6688 yes, it's a lot of people
4:17 That is wrong. The first European BYD factory is already being built in Hungary right now.
szeged
He rushes too much to make his videos these days, just like about everyone else on UA-cam. No matter what you see here you can be sure there are lots of errors and misinformation. Not everything is wrong here, there’s a lot of good information also but it’s hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
It’s one thing to say BYD sells more cars than Tesla, it’s another thing to see that Tesla sales in dollars per year smashes BYD. Confusion says nothing about that, and also says nothing about profits. A lot is left out here!
Watch these videos for Entertainment not for comprehensive information anymore. They are just rushed and junkie. Not bad but junkie
Tesla's sales in dollars don't matter. They are badly made cars, and BYD is growing far faster than Tesla is.
The fact is many more people will be driving Chinese EVs soon. @@steveperreira5850
He said “aims to start producing electric cars by 2025”, not the factory.
Source
I already drive a Lynk & Co 01, another Chinese car (Volvo collaboration). The car is amazing value for the price.
I'd get another Chinese car in a heartbeat.
I don't get the distrust by some people. China makes great products, including cars.
I'm not a nationalist, I'm a consumer.
I just want the best value my money can buy.
If European or US manufacturers want me to buy their cars, they need to step up their game, and give me a good reason to do so.
Imo Geely does more things right than BYD
@@MaticTheProto Out of all Chinese car brands in my country, I trusted Geely more than the others, quality wise. Pricing can compete with others but the quality is 1 notch above.
@@Usersf134ssk yup. They made the right choice buying volvo and keeping the talent
I was in Mexico City less than a month ago, and was absolutely stunned by how commonplace these Chinese TVs are there. They really are having a huge impact in a short time.
TV-> EV.
@@klauszinser Don’t worry, to some people, TVs are EVs. No wonder the only infinite thing in the universe is human ignorance.
@@dkblack1289Well, they are both kinda like appliances. 🤷. EVs like personal electronics ie smartphones will depreciate much faster than an ICE counterpart. A 5-8 year old EV will feel ancient. Savagegeese made multiple videos about the subject.
Many OEM companies make good appliances and sell them at a cheaper price than the actual brand that contract them. Many of those big name brands are just that, a brand that contract the big OEM companies and set high or low quality standards based on what they are willing to pay.
Tbh most tv’s are Chinese now 😂
I was a material planner for a leading electric agri mfg in 2021 and we were heavily considering their blade battery designs. Safety being the biggest pro. Would have been a good move but then you become entirely dependent and that wasn't ideal for us.
Great vid. Thanks!
I started to see BYD buses in South Korea too.. BYD is growing faster than any other EV brands.
I bought an MG4 (SAIC) and no complaints so far.
The memories of buying a Daewoo as my first car in the 90s keep ringing in my head but these feel different.
>> I bought an MG4 (SAIC) and no complaints so far.
Imo mg4 will be big in Europe
@@weird-guy : MG is already #5 in EV sales in the EU.
@@tooltalk byd is no 1
@@jacksmith-mu3ee Number 1 in starting fires. Bwahah
The rise of BYD reminds me of Hyundai automotive in the 1980s. A very similar story arc. On a related note, it would be interesting for you to look into Geely. Geely owns the Volvo and Lotus car brands as well as having major relationships with Daimler and Renault. Its business strategy is very different from BYD, but it shares the low-cost Chinese manufacturing base and deep history in both ICE and electric vehicles. BYD's advantage selling into North America and Europe is that is already owns brands with a rich history and positive customer image. Volvo-BYD is rolling out an all-electric lineup over the next few years. Whether it will go after the $30,000 and under market in the US is unknown.
It’s everywhere in the middle east!
Is that why the Middle East is always on fire?
@@manseimark i don’t think so! Are you okay bro ?
It really is
what country?
@@alexiocatan5602 almost everywhere actually. Egypt already have their BYD Seagull, Atto 3 is the best seller in Israel.
I've been following ColdFusionTV for more than 4 years, first time to know he is in Australia. 😂
How? He has an accent.
He lives over in WA 🎉
It's in the channels bio.
Same, I would've staked my life on it that he was from the UK 😂
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley why UK? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Birkshire Hathaway cashed out because BYD's stock growth peaked. That capital can see greater gains from smaller upstarts.
Oh it peaked? Nice to hear that you can see into the future
Seems like you pulled it out of your imagination--unless you're an insider of BH.
In South Africa, electric vehicles come with a hefty price tag, making them unaffordable for many. Those committed to reducing vehicle emissions should closely examine BYD's competitive market pricing.
You'd think with the way our government flirts with China we'd be having loads more Chinese EV's on the road.
I doubt that South Africa EV would be a thing with your rolling blackouts
Reduce vehicle emits a scam😊
>> hose committed to reducing vehicle emissions should closely examine BYD's competitive market pricing.
Don’t you guys have power out wages a lot? If so it doesn’t make a lot of sense to use one there
In 🇸🇬 Singapore super expensive car market, BYD sold 50% more than Tesla in 2023 .
So is in Malaysia too.
How much do both cars sell for in Singapore? Including the high import tax.
Is anyone old enough to remember when Great Wall Motors 1st entered Australia? Their Utes were, let's say, less than great. But within 12 months they had improved quality, interior design and safety. MG have done the same. I've looked at a number of BYD cars that I've seen parked in the local shops, etc. And I have to say that I'm tempted to try one out.
Buying a Chinese car is a treason to your country and to the Earth as a whole. Never buy one.
Great Walls are still rubbish, Wouldn't go near one.
Yep I sure do, and no one I know would touch one and I don't see many on the aussie roads any more
I also remember they got recalled for having asbestos in the engine block. Will never support those clowns
@@jjsadv They are only good for paved road light use. Not as good as the likes of Triton or Ranger in off road. But they are perfectly good for situations where reliability is not a concern. Its a weird statement, but thats how a few GW friends put it, all of them are tradies. to them its the perfect throw away car for 3-4 years while they save up for a hilux, if its not for me having bought a triton last year, i would have gotten a GW now. it feels like a modern car with all the bells and whistles but doesnt break the bank.
ColdFusion using monument valley original game soundtrack for the background music is not on my bingo list, bravo 👏
starting from 12:46
Fucking amazing soundtrack I’m glad others know about it too
Nice! Could not find the track at 17:51 on that soundtrack though.
18:00 although yes the seal is heavily relying on touchscreen but its has a physical gear selector compared to the refreshed tesla Model 3
I felt like I blink and then BYD and other Chinese ev filled the road of Thailand. Also charging station suddenly cover the entire country.
First time I’m back in Thailand in a couple years, it’s insane how many Byd cars I see on the road
what charging stations are they using? company-made?
U can use any
I work for a Company that has some products manufactured in China and as long as you have QA people in China the products are more realiable than products we have manufactured in Europe. I'd be happy to buy a BYD once they gey the software upgrade for their lane assist right
Agreed
Same experience, I travel to China frequently to coordinate with local factories, the fact is the quality of the products we imported to US can't compare with what they made for their local markets. They can make top quality products these days, but we can't afford those anymore, the shipping cost, tariffs, and Americans are not willing to pay more either.
@@tedhansolo not really . People pay more for chinese products
@@ZakiHaider-y9o Really? I feel like more people are buying from TEMU and Shein. I talked with my Chinese friends, and they were surprised that Americans are buying those craps, while those better-quality brands never arrived in US.
Even London has BYD buses, first one arrived in 2015
Just the batteries, the bus itself is made by Alexander Dennis.
Chassis and drive train are from BYD as well@@fubar12345
Are they the ones that keep going up in flames?😅
Only the best for poor people with crooked teeth!
And the battery is the most important part of an ev@@fubar12345
This is the fault of every American company that canceled the cheap cars for profits
still remember Elon Musk laughed at BYD, and now BYD is one of his biggest chanllenger
Elon Musk with the constant Ls
I am from Brazil, here a see a lot of BYDs on the streets daily. But here they are very expensive, maybe due to the import taxes .... In general cars are very expensive here anyway, but EVs are even more costly. That being said, for those that can afford, BYD is the cheapest one.
So interesting that this came out now - I noticed a BYD for the first time in the UK last week. Since then I've heard multiple mentions of them. Great video, thanks.
One of the biggest misconceptions I see with things being made in china is people assuming that means they’re bad quality. China can make basically everything in whatever quality they like. Just looked at how incredibly well they’ve been able to manufacture iPhones so reliably in such huge volume to which a high standard. But of course a lot of trash gets made there too, but they certainly doesn’t mean they can only make trash.
I really have no doubt that they can start to have big market shares in the western car market. They will make the products they need to in order to sell well in those markets, and I think they’ll make great cars to do so.
tariffs and trade bans are not going to stop market forces in the long run.
And they are blocking the EV market from reaching the masses. In Europe all EV are super expensive right now. They just don't build affordable EV cars here, they are all high end.
Even with tariffs, the cost difference between current US EV market and the price of BYD vehicles could still potentially be a competitive business opportunity.
"Market Forces" as in heavily subsidized loss-leading industry destroying forces.
😂 fam i wont drive any vehicle made by byd. Tofu dredge isnt just for their housing. @@tomromaniuk8449
@@tomromaniuk8449There isn't a substantive cost difference
What a lovely episode as always. You should try to make a little more videos about financial frauds, there are a lot of good examples such as the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, oh the 1970s Lockheed bribery scandal, the Arthur Andersen bankruptcy, Nortel, Parmalat, Petrobas, the FIFA scandal.
Well, nicely written, but full of lies and misrepresentations. Berkshire-Hathaway now owns maybe 3% of the company stock, not 10%. The got rid of most of that junk paper in last 5 months... BYD cars - especially in China - are seeing a huge increase in accidents due to faulty components or software, which is the main driver of the fall in sales (in other words: BYD cars are killing their owners in China at an astonishing rate, so people do not buy them, especially since they're comparable in pricing with Tesla).
Tesla is being targeted by chinese government with severe restrictions, decreasing their sale artificially (main reason: Teslas are driving espionage tool)...
So, RIvian is in huge financial hole, Polestar has just been left to die by it's CHINESE owners and Lucid... well, Lucid is a banner for EV failure. GM, VW and PSA all announced reducing/discontinuing EV production and EU just announced investigation into illegal practices by BYD/CCP/PRC (which seem to be so intertwined to be indistinguishable), so 2024 will be the last year for most of the china's REMAINING (as 30+ manufacturers in China closed in 2023) EV industry. BYD with it's poor quality will not survive.
As for numbers: in 2023 BYD sold 1.575M cars (which is an inflated number, because they are selling their cars to dealers, who are left out-of-pocket if car goes unsold), while Tesla sold - AND DID IT DIRECTLY TO CONSUMER, SO THEIR NUMBER IS VERIFIABLY ACCURATE - 1.81 million cars...
@@gmaacentralfounder wait...Rivian is still out there?
@@gmaacentralfounderif you actually watched the whole video, he mentions berkshire selling 60% of their shares…
@@stanleychen2584 that is very true. But the point of misleading viewers still stands as the car sales of BYD aren't taken with a grain of salt. If you're interested in why, just watch these wonderful EVs rotting in a Field:
ua-cam.com/video/1SEfwoqKRU8/v-deo.htmlsi=JSswleq7eXerUAzs
Just watched your latest missiv. I've driven a Tesla model S (five years) and although i was happy with it, the build quality and the road noise in the cabin was not the best. I switched to a Nissan Ariya which is a better build but the software is not where it should be and i had a dead traction battery at 20k which was replaced under warranty(it took nissan three months to sort out out). Given the size of BYD and what I've learnt in this video i would be prepared to run one. I am convinced they would as good of not better than anything I've had or drive now.
Road noise on Teslas has been vastly improved in the last 2 years.
Im Indian and BYD currently sells 2 or 3 models here in India. I wish they expand in India too cause what the Indian players such as Mahindra and Tata are doing is ,they are relaunching their combustion vehicles as EVs. Even though Mahindra announced its EV Subcompany ,but it will still be up not before 2025. And the reviews that I've seen of the BYD Atto3 ,BYD is definitelt value for money
Holy shit 4.7million subscribers. I remember subscribing when you were less than 8k. You definitely deserve it bro good job
I love my BYD Atto 3. It is the best car I have owned. Cheers from Australia.
The most important factors - residual value and running cost - will proof the sustainability of (Chinese) EVs over periods of 5 to 10 years. With Tesla dropping sales prices reduces the 2nd hand value and increases write-off for owners, making it harder to buy a new car. EVs must proof to be low on running cost and affordable. A manufacturer shake-out is inevitable.
in that sense for BYD both owning the cars and the manufacturing for the batteries that they need. They could factor that in.
As the biggest sustainability point would be to make it economically viable to swap out that battery pack.
Of the movable parts you might need to replace the wheels, breaks, tires. Like some might only need replacement every 10 years (a car lives about 20/30 years).
For a company like BYD it would also mean that they can continu making money on the cars for replacing that battery pack. other companies could also tap in to that marked if they also want to do that on the EU marked. then you get even mor competition on both the cars and the batteries for them.
Here's the TWO reasons why:
1) Byd is a worldwide manufacturer and supplier and therefore has access to the latest technology designed around the world. And they were suppliers because of bang for buck. Meaning that they know the cost to make things and therefore could make similar or better tech for a much more affordable price.
2) Tesla was always doomed?! So many Tesla fanboys talk about the imaginary $25K Tesla. There are more affordable electric cars in Europe and Asia. And Africa buy cars from China and India. Like, less than $20K, even less than $10K. You're not competing with that.
Tesla NEVER had a chance outside of America. At most, it was a "flex" car. A lot of countries can't afford their current line up, they oblige you to use their services and the countries which can afford their car, not only have domestic and regional alternatives, they also have a good public transit system. No one needs a long range electric. On top of that, American cars are not seen as reliable.
People who paid attention to the international car world, knew this was going to happen sooner or later.
Musk is also a very controversial figure now. You have many that would never buy a car from Tesla simply because of politics (of which Elon had every opportunity to just keep quiet about, like a good CEO would).
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValleyvery few truly care
I own a BYD Tesla Model Y Standard Range and it has the greatest battery of any EV I could imagine. The charging curve is just the same and not depending on state of charge. You can plug in with 90 % and get 175 kW of charging. It’s nuts!
Being based in Germany I am very aware and like Chinese e-cars. Especially Geely and it's babies, like Polestar, Zeekr and Lotus do not get enough attention IMHO. Thanks for this episode! Great as always!
So you own a Chinese car? QED.
The first BYD product I ever saw irl was a forklift, it was a few months after a watched a review of Doug DeMuro of a BYD EV, I was like wow they even make forklifts, but then I noticed buses and the whole other line up of vehicles.
It is this competitiveness that causing the west to ressult to wars. After all, that is all the west has ever known. This time round, war will not work for them for othef countries has enough firepower to respond to Amagedonic level. Capitalism does not brook competition unless you belong to the club. I find most comments are alarmed. Why don't they build their own dreams like literally the Chinese car is openly urging.
Sounds a bit like Mitsubishi and Mercedes, building a bit of everything.
Many of the Japanese car manufacturers started out with heavy machinery. Hyundai in Korea did too.
All just millennial pipe dreams for people to dull to see the true facts. Mainly because they beleive con men like Elon, SBF, Elisabeth Holmes and of coarse Donald Trump the biggest CXXt of them all. But I guess when you have you tube who needs education.
@@julian2626...only BYD does it professionally and highly integrated.
19:50 No, Toyota is not "set on burying its head in the sand". They are taking more conservative steps, by focusing on hybrids. Personally, I like Toyota's approach.
I agree with you.
Lots of people talk down about Toyota. But if you see the other brands it makes zero sense for them to be investing so hard into EVs atm.
Here in the US only Tesla is really selling very well.
All other EVs sold at or under 40k units which is terrible.
You can see the struggle and risks legacy automakers have with EVs watching VW, Ford, GM, and the Koreans. There are still so many issues with EVs.
Plus EVs are so unaffordable and depreciate so fast as their batteries will become useless for the used car market buyer and new tech keeps making the older models obsolete. EVs are still not a viable option for most and won't be for many decades at the current pathetic rate. There is very little reason to believe EVs will get significantly more cheaper when so much that's been around for decades like homes and other cars keeps getting more expensive. EVs are loaded with all sorts of stupid gimmicks that will break eventually. So are ICE cars to be fair.
But Toyota definitely better be investing tons of money into R&D for EVs. Looking into it and being ready if it does get better might be worth it.
nah, they're too conservative. a company ran by old geezers. sooner or later they wouldn't be able to catch up and crumble.
toyota understand the impossibility of EVs at scale. they are very, very clever
@@roku_nineWith Toyota and Lexus Hybrid waiting period I doubt they will be die and crumble. how you die and crumble when your demand outpacing your production by 1-2 years ?
Whenever there’s a challenge, Western governments are quick to label it a ‘national security threat.’😄
I noticed it on the Indian roads as well. Looks beautiful.
To be fair, it doesn't take much for something to look pretty on Indian roads
@alexiocatan5602 that's what your mind click on when you saw the word " india
@@alexaaa12 he's not wrong though
@@burntnougat5341 nope
Gosh I hope they come to North America. We're getting absolutely gouged on car prices here in Canada, and there just aren't that many small, cheap cars to choose from anymore. We could use more competition.
To be fair though as a guy who owns a small cheap car...they just don't sell. I'm going based off the USA data so I assume it's even smaller for Canada.
Lots of small subcompacts have incredibly small profits. The low sales just meant there was more money elsewhere. They were in a constant decline. It's hard to justify to automakers and the people who control the purse strings to fund a segment that brings in little money and has no future growth potential in the foreseeable future.
Anyway after owning Mt Honda Fit and seeing its terrible quality and poor safety for this segment, I do not ever plan on owning a small "cheap" car ever again. I appreciate the gas mileage though.
They're already in north America
Although more like us Europeans you are still more similar to Americans in other ways, the USA I know it will not allow Chinese cars but Canada probably will allow it but remember you aren’t paying Chinese prices you will pay at least double that, China amd other poorer countries don’t have the same safety requirements making the cars cheaper to make than for North America,Europea ect then you need to add import fees, the cheapest ev in Europe is the Dacia spring for 22K but only has 200km of range,Citroen is going to launch the Citroen e-c3 for 23k€,mg4 costs 29K
飞度真的非常像垃圾，在中国被人们称之为移动易拉罐，在中国市场日本汽车已经每年都是走下坡路，未来前景堪忧@@baronvonjo1929
@@NOBODY-oq1xr I think about it a lot. But I don't think you would be able to understand just how poorly handled small cars are here in the US...or were.
You sit in one it's a penalty box. It lacks features that your first used car had. I'm pretty skinny and not tall yet it's somewhat cramped.
They never deisgned these cars for American tastes. They were deisgned for Europe and then half heartily brought over. In terms of deisgn. Americans never really like hatchbacks. But trying to convert a hatchback to a sedan looks dorky. Like the Ford Fiesta or Chevy Sonic.
Also safety. I will most certainly die hitting a tree in my Honda Fit. I will not survive hitting another Fit or especially a Camry or F-150.
There is a market for small cars. But if they want to expand they really need to make desirable product's and stop the cost cutting. People on a budget didn't even buy small cars as going to the used car market for a bigger, nicer, prettier, better built car was more desirable.
I know you're probably never going to see this, but incase you do - You have a very friendly face. Most youtubers give off a "fake friendly" or corporate smiley vibe to me, but you're one of the few I see who just gives me the feeling that you're a real person.
Thanks for doing what you do, man. Cheers
BYD is a big deal here in Costa Rica, except of course like with all cars the prices are almost double than what they are in other countries, so the Seagull here starts at $21,990...
In malaysia BYD is dominating the EV market
The BYD brand is growing from strength to strength. Yes it started with ICE cars at first, but that's how it learned how to make vehicles correctly & to a high standard. So now they've finally entered the EU market they are ready to go, 5 star Euro NCAP awards to all their cars they're selling in the EU, that alone should send out the correct signals to buyers. Also, to be fair to their design, they look awesome now too! Yes I would buy one for sure. I've had EV's for the last 6 years and can say that these BYDs are on par if not ahead quality, finish and tech wise to their peers in the EU, Korea & US. This is what new to EV buyers have been waiting for, reliable, safe & cheap cars. They are going to absolutely grab the market share for sure. The next problem for them to solve is the infrastructure for charging, certainly here in Ireland. If they enter that market too, well that will close the circle won't it?
yeah, a quality under a Chinese price much like Japanese cars back then
US gonna try its hardest to destroy competition from China, much like how they destroyed the Japanese in the 80s.
If the "long range" Seagull was available for the price of the Kia Rio (< $17k) in the US, it could find a lot of buyers as commuter cars.
The dual motor Song L would be right up my alley if it were available in the US for competitive prices.
Note, the 251 miles for the Seagull is CLTC, which averages about 35% higher than EPA range estimates. So this would be ~162 miles EPA rated.
I think if ANY ev found itself in the us market for 17k it would sell well. EVs are amazingly overpriced here
Any imported EV with that price will be punished by the US according anti dumping laws😂
Although China allows Tesla to be sold in China, the United States will never allow Chinese electric cars to be sold in the United States. . Because the United States is a local protectionist country
A few days ago, BYD announced that the price of its "Qin" is 79,800 yuan, about 11,500 US dollars. The Qin is a compact sedan, similar to the model 3, and such a car will never appear in the United States.
Buyers should consider not just the cost of the product but also the quality of the relationship and mindset of the product's origin countries.
Are they trying to destroy you with your hard earned money? One should ask before making a decision.
Overly relaying on one nation is a dangerous business for future generations, especially Australia.
In Kenya electric buses are BYD also.. but tucks or lorries are diesel powered
Kenia and Africa in general shouldn‘t make itselt that dependent on China/ chinese products if it want‘s to become truly independent 👆🏻
@@iDinho__ true
They are still relying on European diesel trucks scania and Mercedes rule tracking in kenya....they should build their own
@@eldios831 we can .. the political class is the issues.. they force companies to give them equity by force
@@ni_kabiu_john I agree...Kenya is still a colony
3:02 snoop dogg has changed so much
lol what?
Not cool, bro.
Here in my small Cali city, there are BYD city buses. A few months ago, I saw my first BYD short haul truck stopped behind me at a stop light.
His face looks so different than what I expected hearing his voice for over 2 years now. ❤
This year at least 6 Chinese car brands are entering market in Poland including BYD.
Better build heaps of fire stations
@@aussie_althats not issue.. issue is lithium blankets they need.. and they exist
@@aussie_al Thats a massive copium.
@@Bug-sg1lithats a reaction from watching BYD electric going in flames in china
@@Zmyszen That's the reaction of a crying baby that saw the success of a "Chinese company" and immediately starts criticizing.
BYD is the leading battery company and there isn't any safer EV than BYD's atm. Even Tesla are buying battery from them.
I think BYD is one of those brands that will force us to stop thinking that if it’s Chinese made ain’t good.
Time will tell.
I think you are delusional
@@jasonpapai tesla fanboy? At this point delusional is to think they’re not good, I see them (BYD vehicles) more and more everyday in Europe, where restrictions are more strict than USA. I’m first to think that Chinese shouldn’t be guarantee of quality but I get proven wrong every time, but I think time will tell “how” good they are but they’re good for sure, price when compared to tesla is a big selling point but even tesla is dropping their prices, and tesla up until now has have lots of quality issues.
@@jasonpapaiI think you illusional
To me DJI has been excellent for a long time. My old Mavic Pro is built like a tank and taken a beating. Other than a broken prop (from user error) it has been flawless still to this day. I've also got sim racing gear from Moza that has been awesome too.
Me watching this on my BYD Seal multimedia screen ❤
As someone in Africa, if they bring it in my country, I will definitely consider buying one. Apart from the Japanese all other car manufacturers look at us like the plague. And the Chinese will definitely shore up tonnes of spare parts. I think Toyota just missed the boat.
To put it into context, they're building very affordable luxury apartments in the country. Also they're offering all the finishing at affordable wholesale prices. Cheaper than what you'd even get from South Africa at the quality is sublime.
Now, imagine with cars. Japan may have affordable ICE cars, but the spare parts are very expensive, most people have to import used ones from Japan or Dubai.
My country is infested with these BYDs, it started a few years ago and electric models are being added to the market. As for the oldest models, they seem to keep in shape, and the newer models, some of them really look nice. If they don't start to explode everywhere, it looks very promising for BYD.
Where are you from?
Why do you think the could explode? Did you know the Blade Batteries?
@@stumm71He is mainly against China
I don't think they will explode, I am talking about an unlikely worst case scenario. But BYD is good, as I said the newer EVs are nice, and early F0 models are still around.
I stay in China, and i can attest to the fact that BYD has nice cars. A friend of mine has the BYD Han. A very nice and comfortable car. If i were to stay here indefinitely, i would buy this car
They catch fire all the time cause the blade battery is poorly designed
You cannot complain in China. I repeat.
you guys are so lame haha
@@aussie_al i didnt know Tesla is buying a burning battery. a nice name for a bot
@@Pendrokaractuality u can . That's how they make better things.
U are using a chinese phone
I just love this channel but this video has a bit of error:
You failed to mention that the figures from BYD are all BEV (battery electric vehicles) (even plug in hybrids etc..)
When it comes to pure EV sales, tesla sold around 1.8 million cars in 2023, and BYD sold around 500k pure BEV vehicles..
So tesla is almost 4x bigger than BYD when it comes to pure EV sales
Yes but in December 2023 BYD pure electric outsold Tesla and the trend is continuing in 2024.
@@changliu3915 tesla releases quarterly numbers, please could you provide the source?
Hi welcome to another episode of coldfusion. For those of us who have been here long enough, we know how legendary that line is
Um planing to get seal..
love BYD
I'd love to know about the battery charging speed and, most importantly availability of places where we could recharge. It is more important than range or esthetics in my opinion
In Thailand BYD position them self not as a cheap car or affordable car company. Similar to the most China car companies, GWM, Deepal, AION. Their prices are around 3-5k usd cheaper than Tesla.
Something to keep in mind is that in China, there are no private businesses. BYD is operated by the Chinese Government. Anything they say the company needs to do, it will do. Something to consider when letting a car like that into your life.
Was this the first time you showed your face on youtube Dagogo? Great vid as always!
He's done it before
Over reliance on touchscreens.. Tesla enters the chat.
Which is a real problem, boutons and switches are so much easier because you can feel what you are adjusting.. that being said it’s way cheaper and easily changeable. Tesla could be so much more, I believe more pressure and options are a good thing, but I also understand keeping manufacturing in house, which is definitely a good thing.
I would probably buy one if the crash test was high enough and parts were available, the second one being why I stayed away from Tesla.
Even though they do not have the best margins in the auto business I think this is by design as they see that almost all other auto manufacturers is scaling down their EV efforts, there is just one way I see this ending.
BYD also supplies batteries to Tesla..
Yes they are supplying Berlin right now but they are Teslas cylindrical batteries and not the BYD blade batteries that catch fire all the time
Tesla has the best margins in the industry. And still increasing volume.
@@aussie_al Umm, no they don't. There hasn't been a single fire caused by the Blade batteries. They're far safer than the NMC batteries used by most other EVs by chemistry.
@@oxaile4021 >> Umm, no they don't. There hasn't been a single fire caused by the Blade batteries. > They're far safer than the NMC batteries used by most other EVs by chemistry.
@@aussie_al pls update your info, tesla is starting to use BYD blade batteries (LFP)
It's been soooooo long since have watched a full video of yours.... This one was great 👍
They are very popular here in Thailand. I also dusted one of their fastest models, the dual motor BYD Seal in my M3 V8 swapped BMW E30 on the highway in Bangkok. So go build that China! German V8 power! Lol
Just bought in some shared of byd. Looks like its going on a good pace to go up
Here in Ecuador they're slowly arriving to the common people. We've had BYD EV taxis and busses for more than 5 year already and they work fine. The dolphin is at 27000 USD . I hope that the seagull comes soon. Though I've heard prices will drop massively by 2025 so if you're not in a hurry probably is worth waiting.
I watch all your videos. I would consider buying a BYD EV. I'm not really that afraid of it coming from China.
why did you copy all the other replies...?
@@dertythegrower why did u spam but have 0 proof
Is there something wrong with subsidising clean technology to set yourself up for the future?
Samsung needed tax breaks and subsidies to become the behemoth in SK. The idea of a company building itself without any form of government assistance is ludicrous
Not a chance I would buy one, I'm coming off a model x and that was the worst experience I ever had with a car, 6 weeks on and off at tesla repair facility to start that ownership experiance and numerous times sitting in murder parking lots charging just to get home from fishing trips, when you have a boat or snowmobile trailer you have to unhook to charge and having a crazy person lose their crap on me because I dared to charge past 80% on a long weekend are just a few reasons why I am done with electric, went back to hybrid Lexus 450 hybrid and don't think about charge stations or door that jammed because you opened it to let your kid in.
Consumers will learn to avoid electric cars. Right now there is still hype. Toyota is right to avoid the market and focus on hybrids.
Not knowing the brand, I decided to lease an Atto 3 in August 23 to make the jump in EVs. In all honesty, the build quality is fantastic! Previous cars I've owned have been Honda, Subaru and VW, and in all of them I had to get something fixed related to vehicle assembly. There has been nothing wrong on the BYD (touch wood). Very solid, perfect panel alignment, no rattles, everything works. The only things that I would change - the stock tyres are awful in the rain, better thermal blocking glass in windscreen, and the lane departure warning is too sensitive. Everything else is great!
BYD cars in Europe should be heavily taxed, because BYD is a state (in this case party) sponsored project.
All EVs are taxpayer funded
So are western car makers like VW group and American companies, just last year the us government offered 12b dollars to us car manufacturers
Chyna subsidizes key strategic markets to then try to own it later on
People need affordable cars
@@dennisestradda9746 i love this part when bots try this
And at a Wall Street Journal summit this month, Musk said the government should "just delete"
Tesla accepts "certain payroll benefits" from the federal government's $600 billion 2020 pandemic stimulus
Steven Mnuchin
Former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. Alex Wong/Pool via AP
Tesla accepted some of the $600 billion that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin offered corporations early in the pandemic. As Insider reported in July 2020, Tesla did so while Musk was tweeting against government aid for individuals.
"Another government stimulus package is not in the best interests of the people imo," Musk tweeted.
In Tesla's July 2020 regulatory filing, it mentioned that the company received "certain payroll related benefits," but did not specify any dollar amounts.
In Europe the base model 3 is 5000.- cheaper than the byd seal. with tesla's supercharger network is doesn't make any sense to buy a byd. That only goes for Europe, where the byd sells it's cars 100% more expensive than in China.
BYD Chinese sales are inflated with govt subsidies and no one can really verify a sale in China.
Besides, there is a reason Warren Buffet has sold 60% of his position, I bet he saw sth he didn't like
Let's be real, the Seal is a much nicer and more premium feeling car than the Model 3. Their AWD variants cost about the same too.
Are there tariffs on byd in Europe? If a Tesla is cheaper, I'll buy a Tesla. If a byd is half price, I'll buy a byd...
What has the supercharger network got to do with it? Haven't they been forced to open it up to everyone now?
@@pierrex3226 There's a import tariff of 9% on Chinese cars in EU
Why no mention of safety of the cars?
Mostly battery fires.
Why don't u prove it
Show ncap rating . I ll wait
Not to mention their use of slave labor or stolen technology to make these POS mobiles
BYDs blade batteries are easily one of the safest modern EV batteries out there.
@@ZakiHaider-y9o Why should I? He made an awful lot of effort in research. I am sure he should have come over something about this information. Chinese stuff suffers of lots of issues. Everyone knows it, but its cheap and they just suck it up.
@@chimerahitman not good enough . Either show official ncap ratings or u lost .
U said " Battery fires"
Do u have to show ncap ratings for safety as they test cars for safety even battery tech
1 month gone. Show ncap ratings or u lost
I have an air of optimism for BYD in Indonesia, due to various reasons:
1. Prior to selling personal cars, BYD had a head start by selling taxis and low-deck electric buses. Their buses have good quality and equally good passenger ergonomics, on par with European low-deck buses that preceded it.
2. Full works support. A few years ago, Tesla already penetrated Indonesian market, but it was small, only sold through one general importer. BYD is different because like other marques in Indonesia, they appoint a brand holder agent, directly under Chinese supervision.
You only have to look on UA-cam for BYD's catching fire, or even major parts of the car falling off, like how does a rear axle just fall off. Sure BYD are cheaper than Tesla, but the quality and safety is far from there. In one video, 3 BYD's and a Merc were all in a bad crash. None of the airbags deployed in the 3 BYD's, while the Merc deployed as intended. The 4 vehicle crash had been caused when a BYD suffered a major mechanical loss, and the other cars crashed into the disabled car. One air bag not deploying is bad luck, but for all airbags in all 3 BYD's to not deploy is a design fail. Also in a dealership, one BYD was responsable for the entire fleet of new cars to be destroyed when it went up in flames. Battery safety is an issue here.
To be honest, if you told people to drive any EV, and said "Oh and by the way, there's a live grenade underneath with the pin missing, and the trigger is held down with old duck tape", how many people would seriously drive the EV?
The BYDs that caught fire weren't EVs though, they were plugin hybrids. BYD has recognized the issue and has stopped producing those old unsafe batteries. Their Blade batteries are fundamentally different by chemistry and much safer than what you'd find in most other EVs.
Ok lets do this
Kindly show official ncap ratings
Also show cars "burned" vs cars sold ? Official reports
If ur best bet is videos on UA-cam
I have videos on toyota camey catching fire .
Anyone can play this game
@@oxaile4021 just ask them to prove it . They neve do
Cheap knockoffs is the Chinese Communist Parties specialty
any video link?
Even in Cuiabá, my City (a medium size city literally in the middle of Brazil), there are a lot of BYD Cars.
One missed opportunity in the 60s was the Japanese ICE Kei trucks.
As service and delivery vans, these vehicles are massive sellers worldwide.
The electric versions of these will do well.
in 2010 i personally laughed at Chinese smartphones, now they are everywhere
BYD counts their hybrids in with their EV sales. Hybrids aren't EVs.
Pure EVs, BYD still sold more than Tesla. If you count Hybrids, then BYD sold twice as many cars than Tesla.
Glad to see some smart people here😂
@@walden6272 but the more expensive model Y out sold BYD's several best selling entry level models combined which costs only half or even 1/3 the price. Cheap entry level class of vehicles have way less profit margin.
“You might not be familiar with a little brand called Build Your Dreams”
Me, living outside of the US, almost laughed at that. The streets are full of BYDs and the Tang and Yuan are aspirational car for many people
thats the point, here in America is just exploding.
I love BYD how they build high quality EV cars.
BYD, PLEASE STAY out of the US market. NOT at the moment!
BYD made the best decision to get recognized worldwide by staying out of US market.
I am old enough to remember how the Japanese car industry went from a laughing stock in the seventies to a dominant player in the European markets. That transformation took nearly two decades and now we see that China is achieving the same thing in just a few years. The big difference between then and now is this; The collective West today has de-industrialized to such a level that it can no longer provide the basis for new large scale industries to compete with any of that. High end manufacturing can not thrive a without low end manufacturing base.
I recently visited a chip machine manufacturer in my Netherlands and was told (again) that the main problem that they were facing was finding the people to produce the essential 'nuts and bolts' in the machine shop - not so much getting highly educated engineers to develop and assemble their chip baking machinery. One of the engineers said it best; 'We have trained our janitors to become robot operators - now we are in dire need of janitors'. So you outsource production where you can - which creates its own problems.
Local high tech manufacturers relied mainly on cheap Russian energy, raw materials and produce (ironically this dependency includes the defense industries). That critical supply pipeline has now been sanctioned shut. Guess what is happening to those companies as we speak? Worse is to come once the conflict with China heats up and frankly I don't see how high tech in my neck of the woods is going to survive this perfect storm of neo-liberal follies.
Back to cars - Germany's EV manufacturers have pretty much thrown in the towel and are instead going for minority stakes in Chinese EV companies. They are admitting defeat and cutting their losses which makes sense short term. This however is always a losing proposition in the long run.
The EU lacks population growth (china will soon have the same issue).
That means there simply aren’t enough people for producing everything locally, plus European wages are way higher and workers have actual rights
Ouch that observation hurts, but very close to the truth, neo liberal economics has been good for a few but strategically, a disaster.
In brazil i think in the last 5 years ive seen 2 tesla cars and just this years ive alredy lost count of how many BYD cars ive seen
Here in New Zealand, there are BYDs everywhere too and they are doing really well from a sales perspective
We have heard those kind of stories before. In 1980s and 90s, the Japanese automakers took over the U.S. market, the Japanese consumer electronics took over the world market.
I pre-booked a BYD Seal two weeks ago. Price is the same as a Tesla model 3 with no extras (paint, rims, autopilot). The BYD interior is very nice and looks high quality vs. Tesla's bare and plasticky interior.