I did use some 70s headphones as mics, for drum overheads, bass guitar (didn't really work out) and vocals. By the speaker's characteristics it was rather lacking in low end. But sounded cool.
Me complaining I don't have expensive amps, Kohle just makes the perfect tone with a headphone, you're making my life any easier man =P. LoL, very cool video!
For my very first recordings I used the mic of my guitar tuner (which has a line-out) into the mic-in of my parents' Sony stereo system, to record on cassette. Worked ... "magical" 😂😂😂 Edit: that was around 1995.
The headphone driver on the old 80s DT770/880/990 was the same as the capsule in the Beyerdynamic M380, a favorite for Steve Albini on kick drum and bass guitar. The driver in the new headphones are not the same, but similar enough to basically have the same character, only flatter. Since it is bidirectional it picks up both drumheads when you put it inside the kick drum and has a huge natural sound compared to cardioid mics. And it doesn't pick up the reflections from the shell on the sides, letting you have a wide open kick drum while still eliminating the dreaded basketball sound! Since it is bidirectional it also has an insane proximity effect, which is useful for any instrument where the low end is important. I built a clone from a pair of DT770s and anything else sounds flat and lifeless to me now.
It'd have to be even more cooler if you just recorded it with dt990 live, instead of using dt990-used IR. Just as using the subkick instaed of using a subkick recorded kick sample.
for fun when i was young i have used phones as microfone but for vocals. you have done e great thing that i have to try, especially with brighter ten inch speakers.
Massive low end on guitars is cool for jamming. But you have to cut it rite back out to get the guitars, bass & kick work together in a real mix, or you'll just have mud and over work the main buss & any mastering compressors etc.
I feel like the IR loader is doing most of the heavy lifting here. Just pick any good sounding dark and bright IRs, and blend. Can use Cabinetron's auto-phase align if they're out of phase.
My first electric guitar was an old epiphone acoustic when I was 11. I duck taped a broken headphone ear peace into the sound hole then popped the cable into the mic input of my sony boombox. Cranked that beast as loud as it could go. Boom - a life long journey was born. 30 years later I have my own home studio.
I actually have a broken pair of those exact headphones haha. I do remember with my first cellphone before I actually got into recording and mixing, I used some ear buds to record a Skynyrd song to use as a ringtone. It objectively sounded like shit, but I made it so it sounded great What if you used the hi and low pass filters on Libra to make the headphone be the low end and the other one be the hi end?
Thjis is why I follow this channel. Hey, Here's some cool ideas to try for free or here's the same thing that we recorded if you want to buy the pack I love it.
Haha, that was cool! It brought me memories of my teen years, when together with my friends we taped our own «radio programs», and I was the only one with a microphone, so we got a set of Aiwa headband headphones from our walkman, and thanks to the magic of minijack Y doublers we had a full «studio». 😂
I tried using a AKG 414p once, but didn't work at all, didn't spend a lot of time trying to find the perfect spot, but it's definitely a very cool idea to add some textures!
I never manage to make a sound I like with a sm57 and a huge cab with V30 but somehow I managed to get something I like with a 15w practice amp and a karaoke microphone
I have a broken pair of AKG k553's that I used on a VO session for a small documentary during a drive through scene where we had to redo the dialogue for a fast food worker coming out of a drive through speaker and the headphones + some light distortion was PERFECT.
Great sound from the headphone. 👍 I had an old Sennheiser HD540 which worked really well. It has 300 ohms impedance. If you want to go completely crazy then try the Yamaha Subkick. The Subkick hasn't got a very detailed sound but killer if you work with subzero tuned guitars 😁
Would be super interested in hearing what the headphone-mic would sound like in front of a kick drum. I assume not quite as low-end heavy as your usual sub-kick but it might work as a thick kick-out mic?
Hey, Kristian! Can you review using some specific bass speakers in guitar cabs? People online recommend Celestion BN12-300S, Eminence Basslite S2012, Eminence Deltalite II 2512, Beyma 12G40, 12" vintage CTS, and 12" Peavey Black Widow, and there's surely more I am not aware of. These often have response graphs similar to guitar speakers, but can handle the excursion and wattage needed for bass - though a graph is not enough to know what to expect irl. I’ve seen them used in setups with a modeller + poweramp + DIY cab, or for high-gain guitar and bass in home studios, or for Doom/Shoegaze. Quilter, Zilla, and Barefaced use them in guitar cabs. I think it's a cool idea to explore as an alternative to the boring V30 and/or Greenback standard. I wonder how well - from your perspective - they perform with high-gain guitar tones (possibly with a 10-band EQ in the effects loop), as well as bass tones where you mix a miced cab track with a bass cab IR track. Could you test each speaker individually and in blends, and compare closed vs. open cabs, and 2x12 vs. 4x12 configurations? Dr. Decibel from Celestion support confirmed it’s safe to use the BN12-300S this way, and I've seen people successfully use the Eminence models, not to mention vintage CTS being common in old Fender combo amps.
I once did a 10" bass speaker comparison video, but not for guitars. Check the bass playlist for that one. Bass speakers usually have too much high end for distorted guitars.
@@KohleAudioKultthe Celestions and Eminences I mentioned are actually usually told to be dark for a lot of guitarists who want to have shine and sparkle from their telecasters ;) but metalheads usually praise them. So hence I was hoping to get a big UA-camr with a capacity to have some gear rotation to try it out, as it's difficult to go by anecdotes online, and it's very expensive for a bedroom playing hobbyist, haha! I have actually already decided on getting a BN12-300S for my 2x12 cab, but I still need to decide whether the other speaker will be another BN12-300S or one of the Eminence models, or something yet else. Anyway, I think it would be a really awesome idea for a video!
I have a BN12-300S and it sounds great, but you might lose more high end than you expect. An A-Type is also warm and dark, if you're after that, I love that speaker, alhough it might have less bass. You can find plenty of examples of these two on UA-cam, both of them are sort of vintagey. I liked how Thevon or the guys at Zilla Cabs got great results out of the A-Type in the videos on their channels. The latter guys also tested the BN12-300S, but I can't recall if they used high gain. I believe the Hempback would be also extreme in this warmness game, but I never tried one. What about building and tuning a crossover circuit where you just filter out the high end, and using the speaker you have now? It's cheaper than trying dark speakers, and unlike the EQ pedal it would act after the power amp.
@@riangariangaboth Celestion BN12-300S and Eminence Deltalite II 2512 are often suggested as lightweight (as in physically, neodymium, easier to carry a cab) alternatives to EVM12L. I was wondering how coupling them in one cab would work. What I'm after is speakers that will allow me to use my Hughes & Kettner Switchblade 2x12 combo both for high gain baritone guitar and for bass recording at a small hobbyist home studio.
I use a full range 15", never found one that sounds good for guitar. 10" bass speakers can sound good. I used to play through a Hartke Transient Attack cab with 4 10" aluminum cone drivers. That sounded great. Burned up in an apartment fire though.
How do you like my low end trick?
And who has used headphones as mics?
Sounds great! Never tried!
Zurbum on Filosofem?
Ha!! I forgot about that. Don't think I've tried headphones as a mic since the 90s
I did use some 70s headphones as mics, for drum overheads, bass guitar (didn't really work out) and vocals. By the speaker's characteristics it was rather lacking in low end. But sounded cool.
Me complaining I don't have expensive amps, Kohle just makes the perfect tone with a headphone, you're making my life any easier man =P. LoL, very cool video!
For my very first recordings I used the mic of my guitar tuner (which has a line-out) into the mic-in of my parents' Sony stereo system, to record on cassette. Worked ... "magical" 😂😂😂 Edit: that was around 1995.
Sounds like a proper black metal recording studio of the 90s.
Sounds like a great topic for a YT video ;)
That's awesome. I wish I could hear how the recording sounded
@@tomasolsson6493 you probably can with a free afternoon and like 10 bucks.
The Beyer 380 mic element was a modified headphone element. So this makes a lot of sense.
Great mic!
…and absolutely overpriced today. Luckily I got one, when those were still inexpensive. Nowadays they got for 1k bucks…
Not headphones but I have turned a car speaker into a kick sub mic. Works great🤘
The headphone driver on the old 80s DT770/880/990 was the same as the capsule in the Beyerdynamic M380, a favorite for Steve Albini on kick drum and bass guitar. The driver in the new headphones are not the same, but similar enough to basically have the same character, only flatter. Since it is bidirectional it picks up both drumheads when you put it inside the kick drum and has a huge natural sound compared to cardioid mics. And it doesn't pick up the reflections from the shell on the sides, letting you have a wide open kick drum while still eliminating the dreaded basketball sound! Since it is bidirectional it also has an insane proximity effect, which is useful for any instrument where the low end is important.
I built a clone from a pair of DT770s and anything else sounds flat and lifeless to me now.
The IR pack also includes M380 IRs. Great mic!
LoL. Awesome. I made sub mics for my kick and floor tom with an 8 & 10 inch speaker. I never NOT use them.
Fat guitars? Bass players will hate this!
Oh, wait, you can put a headphone in front of a bass cabinet as well... Bass players will love this!
:-D
Most bass tone sounds like shit anyway.
Too clanky, too much distortion,barely any low-end.
They get to use the broken half of the headphone though. 😂
Interesting! Would this work as a subkick?
Yes
I was thinking the exact same thing!
@@Mikey__R It's actually a better sounding subkick. Not too boomy
It'd have to be even more cooler if you just recorded it with dt990 live, instead of using dt990-used IR. Just as using the subkick instaed of using a subkick recorded kick sample.
Such a great idea!!! Why haven’t I thought about this before 😮
Its the best sound that I've listen with your Proffessional experience and #beyerdynamic microphones
loved when you added a little more "Oomph" in your mic mix everytime you say "oomph"
Not headphones but Heinrich submic uses a 6,5" speaker as a subkick mic and it sound amazing.
Cool idea and great results! How did you manage to screw the headphone driver on a mic stand?
for fun when i was young i have used phones as microfone but for vocals. you have done e great thing that i have to try, especially with brighter ten inch speakers.
great idea! thanks ... what I tried and still use is a LOM Geofón ... also very nice to get some low frequencies
"Whenever i need some oomph down there" I don't know man, whenever i record guitars i have loads and much too much low-end wich oomphs my mix apart
So earbuds are small diaphragm dynamic mics now :D
Massive low end on guitars is cool for jamming. But you have to cut it rite back out to get the guitars, bass & kick work together in a real mix,
or you'll just have mud and over work the main buss & any mastering compressors etc.
I feel like the IR loader is doing most of the heavy lifting here. Just pick any good sounding dark and bright IRs, and blend. Can use Cabinetron's auto-phase align if they're out of phase.
My first electric guitar was an old epiphone acoustic when I was 11. I duck taped a broken headphone ear peace into the sound hole then popped the cable into the mic input of my sony boombox. Cranked that beast as loud as it could go. Boom - a life long journey was born. 30 years later I have my own home studio.
I actually have a broken pair of those exact headphones haha. I do remember with my first cellphone before I actually got into recording and mixing, I used some ear buds to record a Skynyrd song to use as a ringtone. It objectively sounded like shit, but I made it so it sounded great
What if you used the hi and low pass filters on Libra to make the headphone be the low end and the other one be the hi end?
I have an old AKG set that only has 1 working side. Gotta see if I can make this happen.
Yes! This was one of my favorite IRs in the pack.
White background Cubase, that’s pretty old school!
I hate dark backgrounds. Everything looks fuckin grey in grey these days. Terrible! 😇
Thjis is why I follow this channel. Hey, Here's some cool ideas to try for free or here's the same thing that we recorded if you want to buy the pack I love it.
Haha, that was cool!
It brought me memories of my teen years, when together with my friends we taped our own «radio programs», and I was the only one with a microphone, so we got a set of Aiwa headband headphones from our walkman, and thanks to the magic of minijack Y doublers we had a full «studio». 😂
I tried using a AKG 414p once, but didn't work at all, didn't spend a lot of time trying to find the perfect spot, but it's definitely a very cool idea to add some textures!
I did find this headphone method is awesome for bass or kick.
I’m finding that too much low end on the guitar masks the bass and kick drum.
But we use ribbon mics :)
THATS FUCKIN COOL BRO!!!!!!!!
I never manage to make a sound I like with a sm57 and a huge cab with V30 but somehow I managed to get something I like with a 15w practice amp and a karaoke microphone
That means either you do something completely wrong or you are special! 🤘❤️
Beyer M260’s are very unironically my favorite ride mic ever. Seriously, they’re insane in that application, if a bit extravagant.
I’m jealous that you have one! 😩
I have a broken pair of AKG k553's that I used on a VO session for a small documentary during a drive through scene where we had to redo the dialogue for a fast food worker coming out of a drive through speaker and the headphones + some light distortion was PERFECT.
I almost made a joke about AKG headphones in the video. Because one side of every pair I used in my career died at some point.😮💨
Looking at my headphone with rotating ear cups... then at my rack with the big amp... which directly feeds into a reactive load, no cab anywhere.
I could never record without a cabinet.
Hey Kohle, did you get a chance to try the headphone mic on a kick? Seems like it might be cool outside of the kick, like a subkick.
Not yet. But that’s exactly the plan!
Why ruin a pair of headphones, only to capture sound that's going to get high passed out anyway? Seems kinda dumb IMO.
I did NOT recommend to treasure your headphones apart!
Use headphones with only one side working or just get our IRs 😜
Great sound from the headphone. 👍 I had an old Sennheiser HD540 which worked really well. It has 300 ohms impedance. If you want to go completely crazy then try the Yamaha Subkick. The Subkick hasn't got a very detailed sound but killer if you work with subzero tuned guitars 😁
I actually used to have the Subkick on guitar cabs, I feel theat the headphopnes to a better job though.
I really like knowing that something I would have done in desperation as a teen has become the secret sauce for beefy tone in your studio.
That’s how legendary tones are born 😇
Would you be recording in mono ? Only using 1 side ov the phones?
Of course. Guitars are usually recorded in mono.
why not an ns10 woofer lol
I never liked the traditional subkicks for some reason. I have the new version from Yamaha.
Would be super interested in hearing what the headphone-mic would sound like in front of a kick drum. I assume not quite as low-end heavy as your usual sub-kick but it might work as a thick kick-out mic?
A 6" to 10" speaker would be a better choice.
I’ll try that asap!
Got a pair of DT990 pro's on my head right now...must not pull them apart :/
I’m sorry! 😎😇
@@KohleAudioKult I can just mix in mono ;)
@@JGStonedRaider Right! Who needs stereo anyway 🥳
Hey, Kristian! Can you review using some specific bass speakers in guitar cabs? People online recommend Celestion BN12-300S, Eminence Basslite S2012, Eminence Deltalite II 2512, Beyma 12G40, 12" vintage CTS, and 12" Peavey Black Widow, and there's surely more I am not aware of. These often have response graphs similar to guitar speakers, but can handle the excursion and wattage needed for bass - though a graph is not enough to know what to expect irl. I’ve seen them used in setups with a modeller + poweramp + DIY cab, or for high-gain guitar and bass in home studios, or for Doom/Shoegaze. Quilter, Zilla, and Barefaced use them in guitar cabs. I think it's a cool idea to explore as an alternative to the boring V30 and/or Greenback standard. I wonder how well - from your perspective - they perform with high-gain guitar tones (possibly with a 10-band EQ in the effects loop), as well as bass tones where you mix a miced cab track with a bass cab IR track. Could you test each speaker individually and in blends, and compare closed vs. open cabs, and 2x12 vs. 4x12 configurations? Dr. Decibel from Celestion support confirmed it’s safe to use the BN12-300S this way, and I've seen people successfully use the Eminence models, not to mention vintage CTS being common in old Fender combo amps.
I once did a 10" bass speaker comparison video, but not for guitars. Check the bass playlist for that one. Bass speakers usually have too much high end for distorted guitars.
@@KohleAudioKultthe Celestions and Eminences I mentioned are actually usually told to be dark for a lot of guitarists who want to have shine and sparkle from their telecasters ;) but metalheads usually praise them. So hence I was hoping to get a big UA-camr with a capacity to have some gear rotation to try it out, as it's difficult to go by anecdotes online, and it's very expensive for a bedroom playing hobbyist, haha! I have actually already decided on getting a BN12-300S for my 2x12 cab, but I still need to decide whether the other speaker will be another BN12-300S or one of the Eminence models, or something yet else. Anyway, I think it would be a really awesome idea for a video!
I have a BN12-300S and it sounds great, but you might lose more high end than you expect. An A-Type is also warm and dark, if you're after that, I love that speaker, alhough it might have less bass. You can find plenty of examples of these two on UA-cam, both of them are sort of vintagey. I liked how Thevon or the guys at Zilla Cabs got great results out of the A-Type in the videos on their channels. The latter guys also tested the BN12-300S, but I can't recall if they used high gain.
I believe the Hempback would be also extreme in this warmness game, but I never tried one.
What about building and tuning a crossover circuit where you just filter out the high end, and using the speaker you have now? It's cheaper than trying dark speakers, and unlike the EQ pedal it would act after the power amp.
@@riangariangaboth Celestion BN12-300S and Eminence Deltalite II 2512 are often suggested as lightweight (as in physically, neodymium, easier to carry a cab) alternatives to EVM12L. I was wondering how coupling them in one cab would work. What I'm after is speakers that will allow me to use my Hughes & Kettner Switchblade 2x12 combo both for high gain baritone guitar and for bass recording at a small hobbyist home studio.
I use a full range 15", never found one that sounds good for guitar.
10" bass speakers can sound good.
I used to play through a Hartke Transient Attack cab with 4 10" aluminum cone drivers. That sounded great.
Burned up in an apartment fire though.
Cool but I will not destroy my headphones.Sorry...
Just get the IRs, much safer
@@tomix1970pl1 well, he specifically said you can do this with your defective headphones, not working ones.