Joe Manganiello's DRAGON LANCE Show Cancelled by WotC
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But . . . but . . .but WotC said their IP was under-monetized. They said they were going to expand their markets. . . lol. It's almost like they're intentionally tanking the company.
I don't think WotC owns Dragonlance outright like they do Forgotten Realms. Pretty sure that was the reason it took so long to get something Dragonlance-related made for 5e.
@@chrisweb8 maybe. But I wonder who the other holders are. Weis and Hickman had no input on the 5e release of Dragonlance
Yeah, but WotC has been leery about Dragonlance for a WHILE since they don't own it outright. Thier history of just openly screwing the creators over repeatedly made me surprised this was even on the table tbh.
@@chrisweb8 they do own it outright. the idea that they don't entirely own it is an urban gaming legend.
WotC would have acquired Dragonlance from TSR however that doesn't necessarily mean they have the rights to the materials in the Dragonlance novels. Similar to how Rings of Power couldn't use materials from Lord of the Rings
Dragonlance used to take up a massive section in bookstores like Boarders and Barnes & Noble or at least it did in my distant memories of mainly looking at the nearby ttrpg books.
TSR was putting out four Dragonlance books a year for years. There's over 190 novels. That takes up some shelf space.
DnD novels in general used to have large sections in these stores... my local BN doesn't carry a single DnD novel and the game book section is kinda pathetic.
@@jackbuchanan6441 yea but they carry tons of girl vampire novels 🤡
TSR did oversaturate back then, but fans of those first books have wanted something like this for 30 years. TBF Dragonlance is a little past it's due date for the newer crowd, but with a solid show that could change. Pumping out mediocre products ahead of the show (that don't actually support the show's narrative, as is apparently the case) doesn't feed into that well, though.
I once had them all till around ten years ago .
Hell l even got the Dragonlance movie
Damnit
Watching Joe Manganiello, Deborah Anne Woll, Utkarsh Ambudkar and Brian Posehn play DnD with Matt Mercer as DM in the Force Grey mini series was what got me into DND. Seeing Joe's passion for it really makes me hope he gets to do something with it one day
With all the discussions of HasWiz and how they are/are not “stewarding the brand” and how it’s up to them to do the things that smaller creators can’t, this seems like a pretty big misstep. Heartbroken for Joe… hopefully he doesn’t give up on this!
Or maybe haswiz realized that what they had planned for this show was going to bomb based on the feedback of what they've done already.
@@THELUBINTHEMORNING good point, although “bomb” is increasingly an inaccurate term. “Didn’t make us loads of never-ending cash” doesn’t seem like a reason to shut it down. I’m with Bob on this one…I have never been into dragonlance or read the novels, but am willing to bet that I could be persuaded by a cool/well done tv show to give it a longer look. And because it’s a show, other people are more likely to be aware of it, and then we’re all playing Dragonlance again. 🤷♂️
@@andrewstraight2961 bad choice of words on my part. When I said bomb, I should have said instead "my generate negative consumer feedback media frenzy".
I hope he does. i would rather see him in something rather than spend his time on some pipedream. Maybe he should go work with Henry Cavil...?
Yeah, HasWiz is pretty good at the negative press these days…
04:48 Dragonlance was the 1st book series I ever LOVED. Many have followed, but it was the 1st and formative. I'd have loved to have had a series.
Same, I remember reading Chronicles on my 30 minute ride to school on the bus every day.
You're not wrong. 'Regime' is a loaded word, can't recall ever seeing used a a positive.
In spanish as a synonym for "diet" also, so yeah, no good meaning whatsoever :p
You could see some positive uses in historical settings. Or obituaries possibly.
@@TimoRutanen Usually regime is used to describe a rule that the writer doesn't like; if the writer approves of the government in question it is called an administration or a reign. There are probably lots of exceptions, but the flavour of the word is negative to me.
@@dutch6857 I do agree with the general principle of it. The trend is especially visible when talking about regimes that are still current. I was merely offering possibilities where you could see it in a positive light.
@@TimoRutanen Yeah, maybe my statement was a bit too sweeping
I LOVED Dragonlance in high school. I didn't even know this was a thing, and now i learned of its existence and cancellation in one fell swoop. So sad
You and me both. 💔😢
I loved DL so much in high school that I started re-reading all of the books at almost 50 😅
The company that bought eOne is Lionsgate. Currently they don't have an epic fantasy TV show to compete with Prime or HBO. But they could if the greenlight Dragonlance. When one door closes, a kender goes through a window. At least, that's what my uncle Trapspringer always says.
Who owns Lionsgate? Do they have a streaming service
@@jeffreykershner440 Lionsgate is independent. Lionsgate owns Starz. I think there is a Starz streaming service but not entirely sure.
@@jeffreykershner440 Lionsgate Play.
They own eone they don't own any DnD IP. Unless Joe can shift it from the Dragonlance setting he'd still need Hasbro to sign a contract.
Another Geek IP lost to the Lion. Ugh.
This is really sad. It shows that other settings they have like Eberron, Mystara or Ravenloft won't get seen in the big screen. It's such a shame because those settings show how diverse D&D is as a game and as something people love.
God, could you imagine a GOOD Ravenloft series? Where it starts off with the book in season 1, where you're following what you think is a good guy, but just watch him descend into evil. Like up until half way through season 1 you really like him, you're there for him, then he becomes an Incel with horrible powers by the end. Season 2 could be about a party trying to take him down but ultimately failing (I don't know, I just see montages at this point where he just wipes the floor of every party. maybe this just an episode or two). The rest of the season is getting the actual party together and running the actual published adventure (or parts of it), It could be such an amazing series... you got adventure, you got horror, you got fantasy.... There really is something there.
Can you imagine a dystopian fantasy dark sun?
A Curse of Strahd show would be awesome. Considering all the rage with vampires the last few decades it's like they intentionally ignored that low hanging fruit.
I started reading because of Dragons of Autumn Twilight, purchased the used book while on vacation in Tennessee. Now, I have a bookshelf with fantasy novels.
Do yourself a favor and buy The Doombrigade and Draconian Measures
The Dragonlance campaign and board game came out in December, shortly before the OGL broke. The reason that the board game didn't go well probably had more to do with the fact that they were initially charging one hundred dollars for it. And it was selling at Ollies for ten.
It’s such a huge bummer.
Absolutely agree with you Bob. We just don’t see people producing “art” for the sake of wanting to do it right. It’s so often more so just about profit.
I have to wonder how much of that change came when we stopped calling it "art" and started calling it "content". Just a thing to be consumed and then thrown away.
Well, we do be living under capitalism and stuff? Everything will be commodified. From wellbeing, to art, to nostalgia, to revolt etc. etc...
They don't know what is profitable anymore, at least in regards to D&D. They believe profit only resides in online subscriptions now.
I didn't know anything about Dragonlance until that module came out. I bought it to run with my group but before that, I started reading the books so I could have an idea of what we were getting into. While we never finished that campaign (scheduling conflicts struck again) I loved reading the books and knowing that Joe is out there championing these stories and that world gives me hope that we might still see his vision brought to life. It deserves it.
WotC mismanaging their IP? What a shocking revelation that came out of nowhere.
I'm not surprised. Hasbro did sell eOne entertainment after all. I guess the best we can hope for is a follow-up to the D&D movie.
Movie lost them over $100M.
Feel bad for Joe, didn't get to fully play Deathstroke, divorced Sofia, and now Dragonlance canceled. Hope he gets more projects soon. I read the Dragonlance books during the hype of the new 5e stuff and really enjoyed them. Too bad they weren't treated with the attention and respect they deserved by WotC
Super sad, the Dragon Lance novels were the first fantasy series I read. It would have been awesome to see that world in a series.
I love the Dragonlance world. Really makes dragons scary again. Too bad WOTC cut this out. Good vid Bob.
So gutted about this, I only started reading the books a couple of years ago and just can't get enough of them! Highly recommend you reading even just the Chronicles trilogy Bob
I read the original six DragonLance novels two years ago and I really enjoyed them. I was really excited at the prospect of a DragonLance show whether it adapted the original stories or gave us something new set in that world. This is a major disappointment. Hasbro clearly has no clue what it’s doing with or what it wants to do with the D&D IPs. I’ve heard interviews with Joe over the last several years about how passionate he is for DragonLance and it was his stories about his experiences with the books and the setting that prompted me to read Weiss & Hickman’s novels. I really feel for the guy.
I run dragonlance games on Startplaying and have pretty good responses from it. Most people don't know a lot coming in, but the ones who do are obsessed.
I didn't even know Joe wrote stuff. I always knew him as the guy who played minor supporting roles in movies. It would have been interesting to see what he had cooking.
I would love to see you dive into this topic more. Great Video
The sort of passion he has reminds me of Henry Cavil and the Witcher - he brings so much to that because he loves the setting and wants to see it come to life. Obviously that had its issues later but here Joe would have more control over the process.
Fingers crossed ge manages to get something out based away from WotC IP and they realise what they missed out on. This could be big.
2nd most popular after FR, Planescape, Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Eberron, and Spelljammer.
The adventures for Dragonlance were "Let's recreate to novels at the table."
Great art carried DL.
The books were based on a D&D campaign that Weise and Hickman participated in. The modules were based on the same campaign. People enjoyed using the modules to live in the world of Krynn and be one of the heros of that world.
Such a bummer. Dragonlance novels was one of the two reasons that got me into fantasy when I was a kid back in the eighties ( the other being the Lone Wolf gamebook series by genius Joe Dever, God bless him) , Tanis is still one of my favorite fantasy charachters, and I was absolutely thrilled about this show when the first rumors came out. Too bad.
Tanis was allways to tragical to me trying to pull to much on the readers heartstrings, i loved Fizban and Bupu though. "side characters" that significantly increased the depth of the story.
When the movie was merely moderately successful (instead of making literally all money in existence) I immediately worried that all the whispered plans for expanded media would be ritually sacrificed on the altar of corporate butt-coverage. And then we saw exactly that.
The movie lost them tons of money and wasn't successful monetarily in any sense of the word, so it makes sense to shit can/sell off future related works.
Show was never green lit it was just in development. You can't cancel something that isn't actually started. Words and their meaning actually matter.
The depends if the studio owns the stuff he wrote. Because they can just lock that shit behind a huge pay wall for Joe to get the rights back for. So if he wants to continue on with another show, he might need to start from scratch.
I should clarify. Even if he would to take the same plot and stuff but rename everything that still wouldn't be allowed. The studio owns the rights to that as well, so that's what I meant by starting fresh.
Part of me wonders if there was a concern about having multiple D&D shows across multiple settings. It might confuse a general audience if a Dragonlance show, A Drizzt show and a Strahd movie are all releasing in the same year, and that they all take place in different universes.
Lol no. Hasbro ONLY cares about money.
It's easy enough to fix. Don't name them "dungeons and dragons: Dragonlance: Dragons Rule". Make a great show in the Dragonlance world, then put out a good few adventures which say "in the dragonlance universe ".
I think people are getting sick of connected universes anyhow, keeping them disconnected might actually be the right call in this new landscape. That also allows them to succeed or fail on their own, and to have genre freedom. A big problem with marvel movies these days is that they always have to be a marvel movie. Makes everything feel pretty much the same.
@@StoicgameI believe you're misidentifying the problem. People aren't sick of interconnected universes, they're sick of bad writing. Marvel isn't failing because everything is Marvel, Marvel is failing because they haven't had good writing since Infinity War. People will accept almost anything as long as it is well written and well produced.
Dang... The Twins trilogy was such a good story. Raistlin being trapped in The Abyss, Caramon losing his mind and becoming a drunk. So well written. Real shame we didn't get some live action work in the setting, would have been awesome.
Larry Elmore's cover art pulled me in and Weis and Hickman's started my passion for reading over thirty years ago. I remember being on DragonLance forums back in the late 90's and people had high hopes creating favourite actors lists. I mean The Fourth Wing has a series coming out.
Thanks for the update and good take on the story, Bob.
Perhaps it's time for a show called _Wyvernspear_ set in the land of _Korinne._
Really sucks... I played those original Dragonlance AD&D adventures as they released... and bought the novels new, as well. I still have my first printings. I would have loved to see this come to fruition.
For D&D fans it’s a big loss. In Hollywood, it just another Tuesday. Sunset Blvd under the billboard for the next Transformers movie is a pile groundbreaking projects that went nowhere
I remember Joe from his True Blood days. He also has ties to the Boston area (where I live). So when I found out he was into D&D, that led me back to playing after 30 years. Look at how long he has to puase to find the right words to walk the tightrope. He's done SO MUCH for D&D and WOTC is crushing his project.
Weis and Hickman have published amazing novels that they own outright. Rose of the Prophet and Dark Sword are both amazing for example. Manganiello should work with them with properties based on their original works.
What a out the Deahgate Cycle? I would absolutely LOVE to see that one as a show!
2:55 yea I wouldn’t read into that. That seems very similar to how people talk about production studio executives. Speaking as a film student
Damn was looking forward to this show
I was late to the Dragonlance party, only getting into the books shortly before the announcement of the 5E D&D content (talk about timing). What I can say is that I really, really like the world and like Joe, would have loved to see it on the big screen. Super sad that Hasbro continues to make poor choices with a game and worlds that I love. Oh well, guess it's time to head to Dolmenwood!
Having a big budget HBO show is like the ultimate way to build your brand to. Game of Thrones and the Last of Us show have shown this by introducing their IPs to thousands, if not millions, of people that wouldnt have any idea what they were without the shows. Wizards seem like theyve just gone insane ar this point, idk what their plan is anymore(if they have one).
Edit: Also since theyre already doing a Fallout show would love Bethesda to pick this script up as an Elder Scrolls show.
This was a bummer to hear
I’m upset. I’m playing the module right now and it’s COOL. I’m really digging the world and lore. I was looking forward to seeing what Joe had
Aw man i really feel him. Great video Bob! Loved learning about this
I saw something about this last month. One of the creators shut me down on one of the fb pages when I mentioned it. Sad to see it's a reality.
I'm very sad about this... I hope we get to see what Joe wrote someday. I found DragonLance when it came out back in the mid 1980s when
I was in 8th grade. I was hoping to see Joe's story. WotC is dropping the ball on this one... The books were awesome, the cover art was awesome, loved the first set and second set of Trilogies.
Keep up the great work Bob!
I'm really sad about this, I was really looking forward to him running this :( I think we should start a petition for them to bring it back!
I don’t understand how this is an example of them fumbling the ball. I love Joe but passion doesn’t make a successful show. There was no reason to believe this wasn’t just going to be another in a line of fantasy flops. Especially considering how niche interest in the IP is. There is interest from nostalgia by older players, but in modern times, it’s not a popular setting. You aren’t going to sell a show based on niche interest by older D&D players especially when the dragon lance setting book and dragon lance novel and dragon lance board game sold so poorly. My biggest concern was that Tracy Hickman and Margaret Weiss were involved.
Agreed. Also funny how the D&D movie was a financial looser in terms of box office is now regarded as a success. I loved the movie and hope they make a sequel but it still lost money in theaters.
Yeah, he looks frustrated but it does seem like it maybe opened some doors. I tried reading the comics because I thought it would be faster but dropped off.
Did you see the celebrating 50 years clip they made, a bunch of people around tables which seems like trying to clean their image a bit.
In my personal opinion, and I come from this as someone in the creative section of the entertainment industry rather than production, I think there's a misconception about how much a production company or studio values "the blessing" of an IP's creator(s). It can have value from a PR perspective, but it can also be a liability in some instances (from the production company's perspective). They ironically want a well established IP with a well established fan base, but also they want total control of the IP with no input from anyone once they acquire it. Think of the sale of Star Wars to Disney - I'm sure part of that deal had a clause about George Lucas completely stepping out of the picture in every way. Make no mistake, I love Weis and Hickman, but I'm sure they - and any other creatives - will tell you the same thing that I am about producers.
Also I love that Joe still says "module" - a word that WotC would never use.
With every new announcement like this I really get closer to just starting to slam my head against a wall. Only have a little bit of knowledge of Dragonlance from reading about it in an article and it seemed interesting. Also to see someone's passion put into a project go to waste is just so demoralizing...
I vaguely remember some announcement or teaser shown some time ago, with animation, Shohreh Aghdashloo's voice, and that it was related to Dragonlance. If that has nothing to do with Joe, then i wasn't even aware of his project. Still a shame. I'm neither a fan nor very knowledgeable on Dragonlance, the only information i know about the setting comes from the russian musical based on the arc of Raistlin's attempts to become a god. But i would've liked to see what Joe manages to create.
upd.
Ah, apparently the announcement i was talking about was the tabletop.
really, watching this as Bob is speaking by the paused pic of Joe, I'm wondering who has the better hair. Love Joes', but Bob is a solid contender.
It's unfortunate, especially when you see how much passion he has for the project. He cares about the source materials, he had the authors input and respect to make changes in away that would adapt the source material to the screen. I think now days studios are not overly willing to take a chance with IPs they are not sure will perform well and sell additional merch. It seems Hasbro/WotC is taking a different direction these days and I dont see them taking any "chances" as they wait and see the success of their next flagship with the 2024-2025 new D&D books (5e revised..5.5...6e?)
"I wanted to make it because I wanted to SEE it"
I know how it feels, this is the worst situation in the moment that you can find yourself in
That just crushes your expectations
Dang. I just want to see Lord Soth do anything. Or even Tasslehoff! 😢
If Joe ever gets to produce a Dragonlance series, I hope there is attention paid to Raistlin Majere. His story arc from sickly, ambitious apprentice wizard to evil, all-powerful arch mage is very compelling.
Wasn't this reported a few months ago? He was a panel overseas and it came up during their q&a.
Joe has the talent, passion, and popularity to really knock something like this out of the park. It seems like such a no-brainer that I'm scratching my head as to how they fumbled this one.
Raistlin and Dalamar were great anti-hero characters. The extremes that Raistlin goes to. The specifics of his curse. The way his story weaves through the lore in other spaces. I watched Joe's interview with Tracey Hickman and believe Joe really wants to see the series made. I'd like to see it as well. The Kiefer Sutherland cartoon was freaking stop motion.
WotC/Hasbro and the Dragon Lance authors had a lot of issues trying to collaborate on a recent series of novels. I think they might have gotten scrapped as the final drafts were almost ready.
Even more heartbreaking here might be that Joe has literally been working on this project for what must be the last 10 years. I remember him talking about this a LONGGGG time ago.
I can only imagine that this means that we are not getting another D&D movie any time soon.
7:00 the pain of this laugh "everyone loves nostalgia!"
There are many stories of loads of work going into a movie/series only to have the whole thing scrapped. The best for instance I can think of is the reboot to the 80s movie Heathers. That had a pretty obvious and understandable reason for being shelved, but regardless the whole thing was shot, packaged, and ready to go.
Joe deserves better. Like A LOT better. And so do we, but if WotC is going off the rails I hope it's because Hasbro is pulling the strings. I really hope a production company gets back to him soon. If a fantasy movie/series comes out with Joe's name on it, my only reaction will be "just take my money."
It's sad that the show isn't going to be released as we have way too few shows like this. However, maybe it got a bit too far from what the DL ip should be about or maybe it was just too expensive to make. It is not, like some comments suggest, that WotC is evil out to destroy everything players love. They have a TON of settings, and maybe they want to focus on something else.
Hasbro and WotC for the past two years have been giving master classes on how to "grab defeat from the jaws of victory".
Dragonlance is a weird one. Clearly it was huge in the 80's and 90's, and had reach beyond D&D players. Folk from that generation have huge amounts of nostalgia for it, and I think if this is done well it could tap into that in the way Stranger Things has.
That said, as a D&D product it's not culturally relevant any more. As a 3e player, it was barely on my radar until I started actually collecting books in a more thorough manner. Those who started with 4e and 5e seem to have even less attachment to it.I
That's not to say it can't be done well and pull us all in, but it would have to be done really , really well.
Its not just d&d that's moved on either. 80's fantasy epics are quit different to the novels which are most popular today. I know a lot of folks still love Dragonlance, and I'm happy for them, but from an impartial perspective I just don't think it holds up.
Honestly I agree that at least part of why Dragonlance didn’t sell well was because of the closeness of release to the OGL thing. That being said I think WotC shot themselves in the foot by not going further with this show. The more people that watched the show the more people who are exposed to dnd and might buy a rule book. This feels like a studio shutting down an almost complete production for tax purposes, but there definitely hasn’t been any recent precedent for that…
I really don't understand WIzards. The books were New York best sellers for 20 years. There are over 35 million books in circulation of the original trilogy. You have a built in audience and the passion of Joe behind and the blessing of the authors. How is that a hard decision. If you don't want to take the risk let Joe have the TV rights and let him take the risks. I don't understand there thought process especially if they are going to do anything with it. This is the closest we as fans of the series have ever come and I would like to thank Joe for the valiant effort.
I've read the main trilogy of DL and there so many parts of the world that are just mentioned so the people can explore them in the game that can be explored with a series. Is quite sad that we could never see a DL series. 😢
I love all Bob World Builder videos. This one really hits me in the feels. Gonzo and I LOVED Dragonlance. We read all the books and were looking forward to all this Dragonlance stuff. I know Joe Manganiello was VERY passionate about this project and has been trying to do it for years. However, after they completely trashed the whole setting to make that abomination of a book and board game, I am GLAD they didn't make the movie and wreck that as well. The way WOTC jerked Weiss and Hickman around on the novel, should have been a red flag. So sad.
This was his favorite setting, and he was looking forward to this whole thing. HasWiz canning his project shot his hopes in the head.
The original Dragonlance module series were the most ambitious ever attempted at that time. The concepts they tried were a bit flawed, but the design and creativity holds up today. With modern gaming tech, the simplest and most successful approach for 5E Dragonlance modules would have been to clean up, converts, and re-publish the first 5 adventures (DL1-DL6). This was a clear miss.
He should have offered to buy the rights to Firedrake and that book series. Written be Richard A. Knaak who also wrote some dragon lance.
High fantasy, dragons, magic and family drama. The characters are poorly described so you can cast literally anyone to fill the shows and no one can complain.
Job done.
I've never played Dragon Lance, but I would have watched this without a doubt.
Man, I would have been HYPED for this, it would have been amazing. I feel bad for this man, he seems like he was genuinely excited and passionate about the project and now he just...can't.
Bob, you could still read the Dragonlance books. It’s not like they no longer exist.
I grew up on Dragonlance. Found it before I found the Forgotten Realms (in fact, I bought my first FR novel thinking it was set in Krynn, the Dragonlance world). While it has the trappings of generic fantasy like FR does, I think Dragonlance brings a lot more originality to the table. The dragonlances themselves, the true clerics, the draconians, they're all unique (and spoilery, so I opted not to go into detail). The anthologies, especially the ones set before/during the Cataclysm, were also really insightful. I agree with Joe: it really is the Star Wars of D&D.
The only FR series I think that could rival Dragonlance's unique storytelling is Raymond E. Feist's The Cleric Quintet series (yep, not Drizzt, though I did enjoy that). The Dragonlance Chronicles and the Cleric Quintet are my most read series from my teen years.
This makes me sad :-( Thank you for the break down on this.
I haven't ever read the novels but I've heard they were amazing. I have a copy of the camapign setting for 3.5e and there is as much or more you can do with it than Faerun.
I just finished homebrewing rules for the Dragonlance TTG. I can't believe such passionless chair-warmers keep doing Joe dirty like this.
There are some great 3rd party source materials you can purchase really cheap for Dragonalance 5th edition compatible campaigns on the Dungeon Master Guild. I really liked the Tasselhoff's Pouch of everything book personally. but there is a Dragonlance Companion Book as well that is pretty good.
Wow, that bit at the end. Joe was willing to *buy* the IP. Damn.
I don't know much about him, but he impressed the hell out of me when he stole the Hand of Vecna from Vox Machina, and now this. Dude's got my vote.
I personally loved Dragonlance. Raistlin is by far one of my favorite characters of any book and of all times across all genres. I would love to see any part of this come into being.
I'm a big fan of Dragonlance because it was one of the first fantasy I ever read. I've been super excited about this project of Joe's. What a huge bummer!
I know virtually nothing about Dragonlance, nor this proposed project, but it’s clear how passionate Joe is and how much hard work he’s put in to it. It’s like WotC want things to fail….
I was not aware. Very interesting. Disappointed to not eat the little chime as you turn the candy off 😂😂😂
I just finished Dragons of Autumn Twilight, so this is a bummer 😅 what bad timing
The people who make decisions about this sort of thing should also be consumers. When it comes down to a simple business decision you get this.
Timing might have something to do with the failures, just maybe.
This just makes me sad. I would love to see his Dragon Lance show. It was the first book series I ever loved as a kid and he's got so much passion for it - he's got experience in Hollywood and knows how shows work but most importantly to me - he's a DM. You give a DnD show to an experienced DM and it would be fantastic. HE OFFERED TO BUY IT. GIVE IT TO HIM. FFS.
Didn't even know there was someone looking to write a show.
But, considering ow WotC keep 'changing and updating' everything... I'm not surprised they would drop a show from someone who is enthusiastic about what they are writing.
I've noticed that most companies nowadays only seem to hire people who dislike or even outright hate the IP they want something made from.
My advice to this guy would be 'keep writing it. Keep going. Just store it safely, then one day someone might come to their senses and produce it.
Dragonlance is my childhood. I would love to see it brought to life by somebody who loves the content.
I was interested in this series based solely on Joe's involvement. Loved him as Slade, but his portrayal of Arkhan in CR blew me away. Then, to find out he's been running D&D for celebs for years, completely sold me on Joe as a person.
The only time D&D on a screen would have been REALLY good... ugh...
I hope he changes his script just enough that it's no longer D&D and still makes it. Maybe adapt it to Pathfinder's Golarion. Anything.
Seriously, the Dragonlance novels are the best D&D novels, bar none.
i can honestly say i have never seen a company shoot themselves in the foot, say it was not good enough, and then point it in their leg, and say it wasn't good enough, and continue to work their way up and wonder why, instead of becoming strong and healthy, they're bleeding out.
while most everyone i knew focused on forgotten realms, dragonlance was my favored campaign. if they'd put out good things, i would ABSOLUTELY buy. ...but there's a reason why i'm not buying new, however.
I don't know that the Death Saves aesthetic really lends itself to anything I would consider mind-blowing or worth trying to put more stuff like Game of Thrones into the world for, but I hope Joe takes all of the encouraging feedback and uses it to fuel an original endeavor he can have more control over.
Huge dragonlance fan, I've reread the main series at least five or six times now. It's hard to keep track after collecting the audiobooks haha.
My first introduction to D&D, way back when, was the animated series. But my first love was the Dragonlance novels. That made me want to play. I still go back and reread the books every so often.
I wasn't sure what to think when I heard about this being in development, but after watching the interview earlier today, I think it's a big disappointment. I do want to see what he had planned.
Hasbro is doing whatever it can to kill my interest in actually playing D&D. So many companies are doing it better and show more love and respect for the genera and play style.