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Ok Bob my man this means we need to go back over One Dnd and discuss its implications so your ready to discuss with Wotc if they keep things that dont have the desired result. Because game devs do that ENTIRELY too much and they need peer review.
It's simple: The "good Stuff" got dowsed in economical Porpose and dealings so they forgot the most important Thing: The love for the Game that comes from People participating. Different People, different Views. The good, the bad, the ugly - all is part of what makes it great. The constant reinventing yourself as well along - with - the Game, the Hobby we all have and love. The Guys working on that Game should be paid - hell, it should be a big Part of their Job Description - for playing it with the Community, GM and stand outside for a Smoke or sit down for a Coke together as one who participate in that Hobby. Every Creator is bound to its Viewers wishes as well as to his own Tastes and Morales - regardless if it is the Common GM creating a Session for his Players, the Streamers or the Creators of the Game itself. As the Autocrat ruling has huge Problems with "understanding his People down in the Streets", some old Greeks came up with a Place where People could meet and discuss Topics regardless of their Stand - the Forum. This has become more and more important and doable with the Internet - so we should use it. And we did - you did. And now they do - because noone can rule if the ones ruled do not want to be ruled. Thus, democracy in a republican style. I love it.
This somehow reminds me of those letters you get wanting you to go somewhere for a "free weekend" stay, then they expect you to sit in a conference room and listen to a timeshare sales pitch the whole weekend.
Bob's first video after the creators' summit: glazed eyes, reading tele text about wonderful WOTC, a thin line of drool - damn, they got to Bob. Those bastards!
If you do any “work” while you’re out there, just gather the facts and promises. I wouldn’t do any analysis and hot-takes until I had time to meditate on what I experienced. My guess is that there will be a ton of people who attend events during the day, then spend their nights writing articles for their respective publications to be the first ones to share the hot gossip. That ain’t your brand; you give the rock solid, no-frills analysis. Which we love. Plus, hopefully chilling and calmly taking notes allows you to enjoy the event as a person, not as a “river to your people.”
This. Just go and be you. Let it wash over you and process it your own way. That's what I love about you. You don't pander. Just go and have fun. At the end of the day, we all have to decide which path to take on our own. Helps to have friends and adventures to talk about which path to take, but we still have to ultimately make that decision for ourselves. Go. Be Bob. 🌻
I'm super excited for you! I really hope it's legit, and you'll have a great time. I would love it if you took some video of your experience, be it on the flight there, the hotel room, the food, and, of course, what you see in the WOTC building. Good luck!
I remember watching your videos on the dragon of icespire peak, years ago when I first started to DM as that campaign was my first to run. You had less than 10k subs back then but I could tell you were going to go far on this medium. Love watching you grow and love your videos Bob!!!
I am super happy for you dude! I would totally go as well. Is this damage control in some way? Absolutely! What else are they gonna do though? This is how diplomacy works in the end. They messed up. They apologized. Now they are attempting to move ahead while keeping in mind what will happen if they cross the line again. Honestly? I WANT to see them come out of this wiser and with a better respect for the community. I want the next DnD to be good and popular. That kind of healthy competition is what makes the TTRPG scene so cool! Good luck Bob, and keep us posted!
That's really cool. Don't fret about making it a full video-blog-journey, just have fun, accept the olive branch, and try to absorb/process the feeling of whatever WotC are intending here. At the very least, even if they're just blowing smoke, you get a free trip and will get to meet some cool people. Looking forward to hearing more about it.
I think you're the perfect person for them to work with to repair the public image and regain trust in the community You're an honest wholesome dude with a great channel and a positive attitude
I hope you go and have a great time. WotC seems to have a hard time for things not to seem corporate-ee so I suspect this might not be as fun as it seems but this is another moment to see if their actions matches their words. They want to build trust, this is a start. If they just milk this group for ideas for the cost of travel expenses to Washington, it might not seem such a good gesture a year from now.
Excited for you. Hope you enjoy the experience and we get to live vicariously through it. I wouldn't worry about recording to much and just enjoy. Selfishly the exception would be if they show off more of their vtt. That would be cool to record to share
Bob, take the wine and dining experience. That will be awesome. I would also be so excited. Take it for what it is - an opporunity to meet and network with some amazing content creators. Can't wait to see your followup video after the conference. It's like going into Charlie's Chocolate Factory. You have a golden ticket mate. Enjoy it!
Congrats, Bob! This is awesome! If you wish to document the experience, perhaps now would be a good time to start a stream? Either on UA-cam or Twitch. There are things known as mobile stream setups which allow streamers to efficiently stream while out in public. And of course if you don't go that route, I would still look forward to your videos on the subject matter either way.
Hell yeah dude! I'm happy to know that Wizards is reaching out to the creators. You are the voice of our community and I trust you to have our best interests in mind.
What a fabulous opportunity, Bob. I had been waiting to see if you would weigh in on the latest One D&D playtest package as I have always appreciated your take on the releases as you are less ... histrionic than some other commentators. Hey what's the worst that can happen you get to go meet some cool people, get entertained at WotC/Hasbro's expense, perhaps be asked to sign an NDA. But on the other hand they might not ask that, almost certainly not given that they have probably asked a number of folks who would be somewhat critical of such a move. Think of it as a bit of a Hobby Holiday, offers like this are once in a lifetime things, so pleased that you are going and really look forward to hearing your tales of a trip cross country and who you got to meet and what you learned ... and I'm a little bit jealous. BTW please look at the new playtest package, not least so that you are fully armed with the latest released information and can ask questions of the design team directly.
Dude, you better get that shiz on film! You are one of the most down to Earth humans in the D&D creator space, I want to be able to see what you saw and what you thought about it, also grats! Honestly, even with all that's happened, I'm a lil jelly lol Hope you have fun!
They are looking for popular shills to mouthpiece their content and get people to go along with it. The moment the shilling starts, the unsubs also start.
That's exciting news, Bob. While I'm sure part of the reason for this shift in WotC's attitude is damage control, it's nice to see them make the effort and hopefully this type of openness and respect for the community will continue. Time will tell, but it's a good start and I'm happy for you that you get to participate. Enjoy yourself and I look forward to hearing about it when you get back. Thanks for all the great content. Keep it up.
ITS A TRAP, DO NOT CAPITULATE AND GIVE THEM YOUR WORST RANCOR! if your willing to even entertain the notion that you can be wined and dined than you can easily be bought out and become the very enemy you hoped to oppose in this entire debaucle.
You should be excited. There may be some ulterior motives at play but the gesture and effort, like you said, are the first step in a long road to amends.
I would say that you have earned this simply because, unlike some other creators, you made videos that were critical of the OGL changes without being mean or disrespectful. I think that upped your credibility with those in the community and with WOTC.
"I'm willing to be wined and dined", well, yeah, that's what they NEED to do. 5e's strength was never in the rule system itself for me. My group would have been happily using 3.5/Pathfinder forever. What changed was that a LOT of good content creators came out and were using 5e. So we shifted to 5e because I was finding good content for it that I wanted to use.
I’d still like an answer from Kyle Brink ( who has currently blocked his twitter account and is in hiding ) as to his tone deafness when it comes to racism. And why he attacked half his base and asked us to leave.
Good for you! You deserve it! Go! Have fun. Strengthen your contacts. Make new contacts. And let us know all the cool (and uncool) things that are going on in Oz. Can't wait to hear your thoughts!
Wizards of the Coast has to do something to earn the community's goodwill back. And because they decided to reverse direction and listen to their customers, we can afford to lend them the decency of a third chance. The folks that you meet with there are not likely to be the ones who make actual decisions (finance). Still, exchange contact info with anyone and everyone you meet there. It's a great networking opportunity for you. Just don't let them put a tadpole in your brain.
Congratulations on joining the Access Media! To insure you get invited to more things like this, you had better do your part. You know what they need, right? You had better deliver. Don't get kicked off their invite list. It is a nice channel you have here, It would be a shame if you lost access to your inside scoops and insider access. Better stop thinking that there might be any other system for your games. WotC is your friend. Better act friendly, right?
I can't remember what year it was, but I remember going to GenCon and being shocked that the only presence WotC had was a little setup for MTG. Paizo had Pathfinder everywhere in the con that year.
This sounds just like when Amazon invited a bunch of "influencers" to the set of Rings of Power for a preview of the series and Disney invited a bunch of "influencers" to stay at Star Cruiser Hotel before it opened. Everyone was given lots of free stuff in exchange of glowing reviews, but in the end it didn't go too well for either company.
Please go, be wined and dined and let us know how far WotC is willing to go to restore some of the relationship with their customers. I would love to see a 'something in between' with a bit of footage, but I would also totally respect a video with just the impressions. It's a free trip, have some fun, treat it like a mini holiday, you deserve it!
As someone who has had to attend these kinds of events before, I will offer some bits of advice. The first is going to be dressed in comfortable clothing, especially shoes. Depending on how long they "tour" you and the group through the facilities and people it can be more steps than you think. Through the fitness app on my phone it was above two miles just walking around at the highest, and there were girls wearing high heels through that. (bless their hearts and soles lol) Second, be sure to hydrate and eat properly. With all the shoulder rubbing and movement it can work up an appetite fast. Especially if they wine more often than dine it can be rough on a jet lagged or empty stomach. So if you're going to indulge do so properly, or bring an extra Pedialyte or two just I.C.E. Third and Finally, do go out there to enjoy the experience. Seeing people exhausted after the day's activities and then pull an all nighter just to get a report/video out in the morning can suck all the energy out of a person. Think of it like visiting a theme park: take pictures and videos when you feel they're needed and continue on. There's plenty of modern creators going to this one so there'll be plenty of "evidence" to go around lol. Hopefully this helps with your trip Bob. Oh, and always check to see if they offer first/business class on the flight time it takes to get there. If you live farther away it gives you a better shot at getting it fully comp'ed. Worst they can say is Economy/No
Its not a wakeup call, its damage control. They are just trying to use you and other creators to try and rebuild good will so they can try and slide the same things by later and be a little sneaker about it.
Here's something to say about the whole trojan horse wine and dine thing. There's no content requirements or content blackouts. So, you go to find out whether it's a trojan horse or not, you don't avoid it because it might be one. It's a good opportunity almost no matter the outcome.
These guys are so gross. I'm genuinely quite put off by this. The people turned on them, so now they're trying to ingratiate influencers to gain leverage over them. One of these influencers speaks out next time? WotC turns off the spigot of access and blacklists them. Edit: by "these guys" I mean the WotC marketing team.
"So now that we've spent all this money on your transportation and accommodations just for the honor of meeting us, we need you to sign over all your rights for the content you've created in the past or will create in the future." That's how I personally see this playing out. Just my opinion on it. Thanks.
Anyone who regularly follows your videos knows you have integrity and will continue to produce unbiased content. You should totally go and have a blast on WotC’s dime (you’ve earned it, man).
“I’m willing to be wine and dined…” and to that, heck yeah. You’re a great creator and whatever this is, you still might get to meet people we look up to and discuss gaming. How cool is that? 😅
They are most definitely trying to restore their reputation with these events. It is definitely the second step in the right direction, for they can't afford to not be transparent anymore with any future plans.
It's a good sign that WotC and Hasbro realized they screwed up big time and are looking to correct themselves. Overall I think this situation was a positive thing. A lot of players have branched out into other games they may never have otherwise. Games that have been living in D&D's shadow are finally getting some recognition. And we got to see just how quickly the ttrpg community can unite.
Back in the early 2000's, the powers that be behind Everquest pulled an oops like this - they refused to listen to players and continued to push a game with stupidly broken mechanics for many key classes. There was a HUGE walk out where a ton of people dumped their subs. The company had a wake up call. And they did a summit just like this. Let's hope that WoTC and Hasbro by extension learn this lesson well and this summit isn't just a bandaid on the deeper issue. Please use this opportunity to drive home the fact that while we would LIKE for DnD to remain a strong brand, that we, the players don't NEED them at all. They have to go a long way to really repair the breach they created. Time will tell.
We all need grace and forgiveness sometimes. They are obviously trying to repair relationships, and trying to make things right with everyone. Big companies do terrible things all the time, and some never turn back. WotC is turning back and trying to make things right. Lets sit back and enjoy the positive trends instead of waiting for them to screw up again.
Well remember when we had an idea on who worked on these games and most of them were well known? They use to be connected to the community. We would see videos of interviews of their designers, writers, and other people on the regular. Then they suddenly went radio silent.
I was actively researching items I need to get back into D&D when they took a big steamy piss in the community's Wheaties. I was thinking about finding another platform besides WotC, but you know what I did instead? I just went ahead and bought a steam deck. Now I'm not the least bit interested rpgs with paper and pen. I'm grateful actually. My steam deck is the coolest toy I've had since I got my first console as a kid. Anyway, thanks for informing the community about everything going on. Good luck!
They can only do what they can do. I truly believe there was pressure from corporate. People whose life is creating D&D are probably super people. What could they possibly do better than they have SINCE they switched course? Did you ever think it was going to be a CC for 5.1?
Wow, what an exciting opportunity for all invited. To be clear, this is neither an olive branch, nor a Trojan horse. It is a very transparent play to lock down their social media coverage. This works in much the same way as it does in video game reviews (see Jim Stephanie Sterling's channel for many entertaining explanations of how this playbook works in that context). There will be many "summits" like this in the future if they continue to use this tactic. By bringing the media's (that's you) access behind the scenes in-house like this, they get to control the guest list. That means, if you're a "wild card reviewer" who might not always give them the kind of coverage they like to see, then maybe you just won't get invited next time. So what they are paying for is to get you used to being wined and dined, and to get your audience used to the kinds of premium behind the scenes fresh juicy news they are going to share with you. Once you're hooked, they hope you'll say what they want you to say under pain of being cut off. But if you don't willingly submit, then others will. And their channels will prosper as a result instead of yours. So by all means go. But don't get used to it. And more importantly, don't get used to having the kind of online following that comes with being a source of exclusive insider information. Keep all this in mind, and you will keep your integrity. You'll also be keeping this amazing community healthy in the process!
You seem like a nice person. In regards to anything Wotc does now or in the future, I have no forgiveness in my heart for these greed driven monsters. I truly hope to live long enough to see Wotc/Hasbro go belly up in spectacular fashion. I have seen the true nature of this beast. I have no desire to give them even a single penny moving forward. I wish they reap what they have sown in spades.
Woot, d&d people coming to washington! If only i got invited i could just drive to it lol. So many awesome people id love to meet that will possibly be there
I'm jealous for that opportunity, and I don't even play D&D (kinda the competitor's follower). But to meet up with the creative minds behind any RPG system? Whohoo, you'd probably just see my cuppacoffee fall down from mid-air when I meep-meep over there. That is a great opportunity in so many ways, and I think you're totally right to grasp it. So, be wined and dined, and just keep your inquisitive nature and critical mind. Congratulations, and have a lot of fun!
If it helps, I'm a product analyst for an unnamed company (not wotc). When previous business decisions fail, corporations look at their leading consumer base and take them for interviews to genuinely "catch their product up" to the needs of their audience. It's a business expense that most budgets get funding for every 1-5 years. Usually if it's not needed, it gets absorbed somewhere else in a shady way >> But all in all, I think your skepticism is healthy and the optimist in me hopes that they're actually trying to do good business this time. Have fun bro
WE the community made this happen. WOTC has neglected content creators FOR YEARS and if our community’s action is what it took to wake them up and start supporting their community then great! Go have an awesome time 🤘🏻
Good for you! Glad that you got invited! My suggestion is to not film and talk about it later, but you will see when you'll be there if to film or not. When it comes to "wine&dineing" you, they don't need to do that because I will. Please don't stray away to much from d&d (and 'one d&d' in particular), I am an old man who started dm-ing in ad&d times and I will most likely continue to consume that content and would be sorrowed if you'd distance yourself. Good luck and enjoy your trip!
I hope you and the others being Invited have a good experience BOB. I look forward to your Review of the Event, if you want to do One. P.S. I have been Playing DnD in the UK since the late 70's 🤣
If WotC is smart, they'll listen to you more than they try to get you to listen to them. Here's your chance to be the calm voice of reason that everybody here already knows you to be. Go get 'em.
I'm mentally comparing that email to the comments allegedly written by WotC D&D employees about their workplace culture. So I can certainly understand Bob's confusion about the goings on at WotC. Looking forward to Bob's video on how the creator's conference unfolded and what they are planning. I still have little trust with WotC and will play TTRPGs without investing in their products.
I say go and geek out as much as you want without a camera, but take copious notes and then when they release you can talk us through it all from that perspecitve.
Why not? Maybe the conflicted feelings come from some self-imposed feeling of being indebted in some way, like self-obligated to feel particularly grateful. Or maybe it smells disingenious, like a "publicity stunt" trying to claw back approval. But maybe think of it this way: - They're not asking for anything from you. So neither do you need to obligate yourself. Take them at their word that you can just go, interact, enjoy and that's it. - You don't need to feel *overly* humble or indebted either. After all, they're asking you to come. You didn't plead them to let you in. They're not extending grace and mercy despite not wanting to. This is something they want to host and they're asking you to join. Trust that they have their reasons to do this. I'm not saying those reasons are evil at all, just that keeping that perspective in mind might help with the conflict. - And finally, if it, for some reason, would turn out to be somehow disingenious, or you feel weird or awkward in any way, remember that *you can just leave* if you want to. ❤If you can't afford to travel back before the event ends, then just hang out at the hotel with a nice book or see the sights in WA. They can't drag you to the office by force, surely. Of course maybe check that they can't cancel your travel tickets, and maybe bring a credit card just in case. I once went on a very, very, very cheap off season trip to Turkey. I mean like 500€ for plane tickets from Finland to Turkey, then to Cyprus, back to Turkey and back to Finland, two weeks of hotel stays, buses, breakfasts, tour bus, tourist guide, attraction tickets. Mad stuff. Of course the idea was that we'd buy stuff. On one of the days the tour guide said it's mandatory to go to a jewelry factory and a leather jacket factory. I just told her I'd rather read a book in the bus for this bit, thank you very much. She said I have to go. I told her she can drag me if she wants to try. I had a nice couple of hours with my book. 😁
Record everything you can, decide what you think is worth posting later. Even if you don't use a lot of the footage it'll still be a good memory to keep.
The player in me smells a trap. As many other commenters have mentioned, this could just be a PR shine job. On the other hand, it's possible they've learned to listen and this is the first step in reconciliation. In either case, you have to go. Maybe you get lucky and its an unguarded horde, otherwise you spring the trap and begin combat. Either way, the adventure is going to happen, you might as well be there to see it occur.
Well if you stay till the weekend you can come to norwescon in seatec. I'll be running d&d there and a local program called alexandria rpg library (they collect and preserve ttrpg books) will be there. I think you'll have a fun time.
Three things have happened. The D&D team is now out from under the thumb of some of the C suite people who would have disallowed this last year. Its no longer perceived as a risk. Secondly they have realized that they don't have a staff member with the wide grasp of the game system, its history and the industry. Those people are the ones that left over the past 3 years. This lack of skill means they need to head hunt the people with those skills, sound them out and eventually offer them jobs or consultancies. Thirdly they know there is a quality control problem. The other businesses making D&D product don't have that problem. If they had the skills to fix it they would have. They again need to meet, talk and perhaps hire people to fix it. That's a side effect of the second problem. Yes its late and after a disaster but that disaster may have been necessary to open the eyes of the board at WotC, the Higherups in Hasbro and even Kyles eyes.
That's cool, Bob! It's good to hear that WOTC is finally showing interest in the community, though, as you alluded to, the circumstances imply ulterior motives. You'll have to fill me in on what happened... Shockingly, I was not invited. LOL
The most interesting question I still have is what was the WotC engagement team doing before this crisis management? What were these employees' duties? Just checking twitter?
Like most things I don't blame the average person in that team, they're doing what they're told. But I definitely think management need to be taken to task.
The email was signed by "The D&D Creator Relations Team (formerly the D&D Influencer Team)", so yes, I would guess their job was mainly posting stuff on twitter and such. I'm just wondering if they have a separate "player relations" team or if the team was just named strangely and they still handle that as well.
I don't have any real evidence, but anecdotally, I realized that the only times I've seen creators opening those special merch packages from WotC, it was one video from Ted, and 99% photos from people on Twitter. So yes? I just don't think they took UA-cam very seriously until all the OGL backlash.
@@parsath_2584 No, there are countless times people "Were just doing their jobs" I used to work for Rent-A-Center making good money, I quit because I knew it was a predatory company.
@@BobWorldBuilder bingo. That's 100% true. It's not just this company, but many others don't consider youtubers as a serious source of customer consensus or at least as a morale sample.
Funny--they didn't invite me for some reason. Checking me email...nope. But I'm glad you got one and I'm looking forward to hearing how it all turns out. Go Bob!
The good thing about this is, even if the event itself turns out to be only for damage control and a OneDnD advertisement show, you still get to meet the people who also go there. Very happy for you, to get that opportunity and I can't wait to hear what this was about and who you got to meet. I don't think you have to record if it doesn't fit the set up and mood. I'm also happy to just hear about what happened.
Yeah I'm definitely excited to meet other creators and the designers in person! And you're right that how much I record will probably just depend on the vibe, but I certainly plan to share something about what all goes down
@@BobWorldBuilder Err on the side of recording. It's much easier to use editorial discretion after the fact than it is to go back and get a recording of something you missed.
@@BobWorldBuilder You could just go in with the mindset of taking pictures. That's something you could add to a video after the fact if you decide to, or just keep for yourself without feeling like it's going to waste. With video you may feel a bit more obligated to the idea that it's definitely going to be making its way to your UA-cam when you get home. You'll likely want keepsakes of your first convention, but really probably best not to go into it trying to be a reporter. Others will undoubtedly be doing the recording thing already, unless the group that got invited turns out to be disappointingly small, while your main focus should by all accounts just be to try enjoying yourself and get acquainted with what this kind of gathering feels like for you.
just bc you go on a date w/ someone & they buy you food & drinks doesn't mean you're obligated to "put out"...I'd say by all means go, have fun, enjoy yourself...it's on their dime after all
@@BobWorldBuilder No, its a perfect opportunity to test how many "potions" a rogue feasably can steal and carry without it being noticed. Stick to your brand XD
Record only what you want to. Otherwise, I'm just excited that you have this opportunity! I would absolutely just experience it as much as you can as just a person, and not a creator, and only record if you feel like it is something that YOU would want to record. That being said, I hope you tell us all about your side quest once its done!
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In regards to 7:05 - 7:22.
Bob, just grab the experience. Be there for yourself. Do photos only if you fell like it. Have fun, you deserve it :)
Wednesday is always a great day to start the week. If recorded is legacy footage.
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Ok Bob my man this means we need to go back over One Dnd and discuss its implications so your ready to discuss with Wotc if they keep things that dont have the desired result. Because game devs do that ENTIRELY too much and they need peer review.
It's simple: The "good Stuff" got dowsed in economical Porpose and dealings so they forgot the most important Thing: The love for the Game that comes from People participating.
Different People, different Views. The good, the bad, the ugly - all is part of what makes it great.
The constant reinventing yourself as well along - with - the Game, the Hobby we all have and love.
The Guys working on that Game should be paid - hell, it should be a big Part of their Job Description - for playing it with the Community, GM and stand outside for a Smoke or sit down for a Coke together as one who participate in that Hobby.
Every Creator is bound to its Viewers wishes as well as to his own Tastes and Morales - regardless if it is the Common GM creating a Session for his Players, the Streamers or the Creators of the Game itself.
As the Autocrat ruling has huge Problems with "understanding his People down in the Streets", some old Greeks came up with a Place where People could meet and discuss Topics regardless of their Stand - the Forum.
This has become more and more important and doable with the Internet - so we should use it.
And we did - you did.
And now they do - because noone can rule if the ones ruled do not want to be ruled.
Thus, democracy in a republican style.
I love it.
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This somehow reminds me of those letters you get wanting you to go somewhere for a "free weekend" stay, then they expect you to sit in a conference room and listen to a timeshare sales pitch the whole weekend.
A version yeah, definitely
No itinerary/agenda yet, so I'm still wondering if we are gonna just sit through powerpoints about One D&D :P
@@BobWorldBuilder that would be cool lmaooo
I'd enjoy it if you recorded some bits, but more so, I'd just enjoy hearing you talk about your experience.
TBH, a RPG Timeshare sounds intriguing.... ;)
Bob's first video after the creators' summit: glazed eyes, reading tele text about wonderful WOTC, a thin line of drool - damn, they got to Bob. Those bastards!
Now that would make a good YT short
with a visible fresh scar across his forehead, and a guy in a suit just partially in shot.
Mind Flayers!
Got those old cartoon spirals in the eyes 🌀
blinking SOS in morse code
If you do any “work” while you’re out there, just gather the facts and promises. I wouldn’t do any analysis and hot-takes until I had time to meditate on what I experienced.
My guess is that there will be a ton of people who attend events during the day, then spend their nights writing articles for their respective publications to be the first ones to share the hot gossip. That ain’t your brand; you give the rock solid, no-frills analysis. Which we love.
Plus, hopefully chilling and calmly taking notes allows you to enjoy the event as a person, not as a “river to your people.”
Totally, while I may do a bit of recording, I don't want to do any posting until I get home and had more time to digest it
This.
Just go and be you.
Let it wash over you and process it your own way.
That's what I love about you.
You don't pander.
Just go and have fun.
At the end of the day, we all have to decide which path to take on our own.
Helps to have friends and adventures to talk about which path to take, but we still have to ultimately make that decision for ourselves.
Go. Be Bob.
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This, entirely. Well said.
@@BobWorldBuilder do you think they’ll even allow recording?
I'm super excited for you! I really hope it's legit, and you'll have a great time.
I would love it if you took some video of your experience, be it on the flight there, the hotel room, the food, and, of course, what you see in the WOTC building.
Good luck!
I remember watching your videos on the dragon of icespire peak, years ago when I first started to DM as that campaign was my first to run. You had less than 10k subs back then but I could tell you were going to go far on this medium. Love watching you grow and love your videos Bob!!!
I am super happy for you dude! I would totally go as well. Is this damage control in some way? Absolutely! What else are they gonna do though? This is how diplomacy works in the end. They messed up. They apologized. Now they are attempting to move ahead while keeping in mind what will happen if they cross the line again. Honestly? I WANT to see them come out of this wiser and with a better respect for the community. I want the next DnD to be good and popular. That kind of healthy competition is what makes the TTRPG scene so cool! Good luck Bob, and keep us posted!
That's really cool.
Don't fret about making it a full video-blog-journey, just have fun, accept the olive branch, and try to absorb/process the feeling of whatever WotC are intending here. At the very least, even if they're just blowing smoke, you get a free trip and will get to meet some cool people.
Looking forward to hearing more about it.
Thanks! I think what you described is pretty much what I'm going to do
I think you're the perfect person for them to work with to repair the public image and regain trust in the community You're an honest wholesome dude with a great channel and a positive attitude
I hope you go and have a great time. WotC seems to have a hard time for things not to seem corporate-ee so I suspect this might not be as fun as it seems but this is another moment to see if their actions matches their words. They want to build trust, this is a start. If they just milk this group for ideas for the cost of travel expenses to Washington, it might not seem such a good gesture a year from now.
Yeah I'm just going to make the best of it and hope everything feels genuine
Excited for you. Hope you enjoy the experience and we get to live vicariously through it. I wouldn't worry about recording to much and just enjoy. Selfishly the exception would be if they show off more of their vtt. That would be cool to record to share
Bob, take the wine and dining experience. That will be awesome. I would also be so excited. Take it for what it is - an opporunity to meet and network with some amazing content creators. Can't wait to see your followup video after the conference. It's like going into Charlie's Chocolate Factory. You have a golden ticket mate. Enjoy it!
Congrats, Bob! This is awesome!
If you wish to document the experience, perhaps now would be a good time to start a stream? Either on UA-cam or Twitch. There are things known as mobile stream setups which allow streamers to efficiently stream while out in public.
And of course if you don't go that route, I would still look forward to your videos on the subject matter either way.
Funny. I was a vendor at Pax Unplugged (selling old-school D&D stuff), and if WotC was there, they were invisible.
Go on, Bob! I hope you have fun over there. Tell us all the details after this event. It's an once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. We are proud of you!
Hell yeah dude! I'm happy to know that Wizards is reaching out to the creators. You are the voice of our community and I trust you to have our best interests in mind.
What a fabulous opportunity, Bob. I had been waiting to see if you would weigh in on the latest One D&D playtest package as I have always appreciated your take on the releases as you are less ... histrionic than some other commentators. Hey what's the worst that can happen you get to go meet some cool people, get entertained at WotC/Hasbro's expense, perhaps be asked to sign an NDA. But on the other hand they might not ask that, almost certainly not given that they have probably asked a number of folks who would be somewhat critical of such a move. Think of it as a bit of a Hobby Holiday, offers like this are once in a lifetime things, so pleased that you are going and really look forward to hearing your tales of a trip cross country and who you got to meet and what you learned ... and I'm a little bit jealous. BTW please look at the new playtest package, not least so that you are fully armed with the latest released information and can ask questions of the design team directly.
Thanks for this comment! Great take on the event, and yeah, I suppose I should check out the new UA before the summit!
Admiral Ackbar called. "It's a trap!!!"
Dude, you better get that shiz on film! You are one of the most down to Earth humans in the D&D creator space, I want to be able to see what you saw and what you thought about it, also grats! Honestly, even with all that's happened, I'm a lil jelly lol Hope you have fun!
That's great Bob, I hope it works and your get to see it. I also hope the weather for it is good. Bring a rain coat for that time of the year.
They are looking for popular shills to mouthpiece their content and get people to go along with it. The moment the shilling starts, the unsubs also start.
That's exciting news, Bob. While I'm sure part of the reason for this shift in WotC's attitude is damage control, it's nice to see them make the effort and hopefully this type of openness and respect for the community will continue. Time will tell, but it's a good start and I'm happy for you that you get to participate. Enjoy yourself and I look forward to hearing about it when you get back. Thanks for all the great content. Keep it up.
I’ll see you there man
Absolutely do it! And video all of it if only for the keepsake of the memory
I think it’s good that they’re taking their absolute fumble, and taking it as an opportunity to really fix themselves.
ITS A TRAP, DO NOT CAPITULATE AND GIVE THEM YOUR WORST RANCOR! if your willing to even entertain the notion that you can be wined and dined than you can easily be bought out and become the very enemy you hoped to oppose in this entire debaucle.
You should be excited. There may be some ulterior motives at play but the gesture and effort, like you said, are the first step in a long road to amends.
I would say that you have earned this simply because, unlike some other creators, you made videos that were critical of the OGL changes without being mean or disrespectful. I think that upped your credibility with those in the community and with WOTC.
Good for you man, go enjoy the experience and see what’s what.
"I'm willing to be wined and dined", well, yeah, that's what they NEED to do. 5e's strength was never in the rule system itself for me. My group would have been happily using 3.5/Pathfinder forever. What changed was that a LOT of good content creators came out and were using 5e. So we shifted to 5e because I was finding good content for it that I wanted to use.
Go with your gut, for sure. Somewhere in the middle seems good for coverage.
Hopefully you'll get to meet all the cool peeps, if nothing else.
I’d still like an answer from Kyle Brink ( who has currently blocked his twitter account and is in hiding ) as to his tone deafness when it comes to racism. And why he attacked half his base and asked us to leave.
You got a remember that this is a corporation and they are going to show what they want to show so that being said caution is the watch word for this.
Good for you! You deserve it! Go! Have fun. Strengthen your contacts. Make new contacts. And let us know all the cool (and uncool) things that are going on in Oz. Can't wait to hear your thoughts!
Wizards of the Coast has to do something to earn the community's goodwill back. And because they decided to reverse direction and listen to their customers, we can afford to lend them the decency of a third chance. The folks that you meet with there are not likely to be the ones who make actual decisions (finance). Still, exchange contact info with anyone and everyone you meet there. It's a great networking opportunity for you.
Just don't let them put a tadpole in your brain.
Yes, please go and record everything so we can feel like we are going too, hype!!
Congratulations on joining the Access Media! To insure you get invited to more things like this, you had better do your part. You know what they need, right? You had better deliver. Don't get kicked off their invite list. It is a nice channel you have here, It would be a shame if you lost access to your inside scoops and insider access.
Better stop thinking that there might be any other system for your games. WotC is your friend. Better act friendly, right?
Sweet opportunity! Enjoy it!
I can't remember what year it was, but I remember going to GenCon and being shocked that the only presence WotC had was a little setup for MTG. Paizo had Pathfinder everywhere in the con that year.
This sounds just like when Amazon invited a bunch of "influencers" to the set of Rings of Power for a preview of the series and Disney invited a bunch of "influencers" to stay at Star Cruiser Hotel before it opened. Everyone was given lots of free stuff in exchange of glowing reviews, but in the end it didn't go too well for either company.
Please go, be wined and dined and let us know how far WotC is willing to go to restore some of the relationship with their customers. I would love to see a 'something in between' with a bit of footage, but I would also totally respect a video with just the impressions. It's a free trip, have some fun, treat it like a mini holiday, you deserve it!
As someone who has had to attend these kinds of events before, I will offer some bits of advice.
The first is going to be dressed in comfortable clothing, especially shoes. Depending on how long they "tour" you and the group through the facilities and people it can be more steps than you think. Through the fitness app on my phone it was above two miles just walking around at the highest, and there were girls wearing high heels through that. (bless their hearts and soles lol)
Second, be sure to hydrate and eat properly. With all the shoulder rubbing and movement it can work up an appetite fast. Especially if they wine more often than dine it can be rough on a jet lagged or empty stomach. So if you're going to indulge do so properly, or bring an extra Pedialyte or two just I.C.E.
Third and Finally, do go out there to enjoy the experience. Seeing people exhausted after the day's activities and then pull an all nighter just to get a report/video out in the morning can suck all the energy out of a person. Think of it like visiting a theme park: take pictures and videos when you feel they're needed and continue on. There's plenty of modern creators going to this one so there'll be plenty of "evidence" to go around lol.
Hopefully this helps with your trip Bob. Oh, and always check to see if they offer first/business class on the flight time it takes to get there. If you live farther away it gives you a better shot at getting it fully comp'ed. Worst they can say is Economy/No
I love your stuff, and yeah, go get wined and dined! You'll be our "inside man" on this job.
I got Godfather 3 vibes, when you revealed it was a summit of third party creators.
Its not a wakeup call, its damage control. They are just trying to use you and other creators to try and rebuild good will so they can try and slide the same things by later and be a little sneaker about it.
Just don't let them put the mind control slug in your ear.
I don't blame you man. It's a shot you have to take, even if it could go poorly. Get out there!
Here's something to say about the whole trojan horse wine and dine thing.
There's no content requirements or content blackouts. So, you go to find out whether it's a trojan horse or not, you don't avoid it because it might be one. It's a good opportunity almost no matter the outcome.
These guys are so gross. I'm genuinely quite put off by this. The people turned on them, so now they're trying to ingratiate influencers to gain leverage over them. One of these influencers speaks out next time? WotC turns off the spigot of access and blacklists them.
Edit: by "these guys" I mean the WotC marketing team.
Do your thang big cat! Love this content youve made TtRPG welcoming to new comers like me!
"So now that we've spent all this money on your transportation and accommodations just for the honor of meeting us, we need you to sign over all your rights for the content you've created in the past or will create in the future." That's how I personally see this playing out. Just my opinion on it. Thanks.
Anyone who regularly follows your videos knows you have integrity and will continue to produce unbiased content. You should totally go and have a blast on WotC’s dime (you’ve earned it, man).
"something in-between". It would be cool to see or hear of some of this. But you enjoy most of it on your own!
“I’m willing to be wine and dined…” and to that, heck yeah. You’re a great creator and whatever this is, you still might get to meet people we look up to and discuss gaming. How cool is that? 😅
I went to PAX Unplugged a few times (not since covid) and had an absolute blast. I miss it.
They are most definitely trying to restore their reputation with these events. It is definitely the second step in the right direction, for they can't afford to not be transparent anymore with any future plans.
It's a good sign that WotC and Hasbro realized they screwed up big time and are looking to correct themselves.
Overall I think this situation was a positive thing. A lot of players have branched out into other games they may never have otherwise. Games that have been living in D&D's shadow are finally getting some recognition. And we got to see just how quickly the ttrpg community can unite.
eat up that bribe
Back in the early 2000's, the powers that be behind Everquest pulled an oops like this - they refused to listen to players and continued to push a game with stupidly broken mechanics for many key classes. There was a HUGE walk out where a ton of people dumped their subs. The company had a wake up call. And they did a summit just like this.
Let's hope that WoTC and Hasbro by extension learn this lesson well and this summit isn't just a bandaid on the deeper issue. Please use this opportunity to drive home the fact that while we would LIKE for DnD to remain a strong brand, that we, the players don't NEED them at all. They have to go a long way to really repair the breach they created. Time will tell.
Sounds awesome, Bob! Enjoy the experience. In your shoes, I wouldn't record things. More important to be present in those moments.
We all need grace and forgiveness sometimes. They are obviously trying to repair relationships, and trying to make things right with everyone. Big companies do terrible things all the time, and some never turn back. WotC is turning back and trying to make things right. Lets sit back and enjoy the positive trends instead of waiting for them to screw up again.
Well remember when we had an idea on who worked on these games and most of them were well known? They use to be connected to the community. We would see videos of interviews of their designers, writers, and other people on the regular. Then they suddenly went radio silent.
Go for it and enjoy 🥳
I hope people don’t go, poor attendance to their in-house damage control con will send the loudest message.
I was actively researching items I need to get back into D&D when they took a big steamy piss in the community's Wheaties.
I was thinking about finding another platform besides WotC, but you know what I did instead? I just went ahead and bought a steam deck. Now I'm not the least bit interested rpgs with paper and pen.
I'm grateful actually. My steam deck is the coolest toy I've had since I got my first console as a kid.
Anyway, thanks for informing the community about everything going on. Good luck!
Just go and enjoy it, don't worry about video, maybe snap a pic or 2 if you see something cool. Enjoy the trip, great experience, you earned it 👍
They can only do what they can do. I truly believe there was pressure from corporate.
People whose life is creating D&D are probably super people. What could they possibly do better than they have SINCE they switched course? Did you ever think it was going to be a CC for 5.1?
Plot twist, no one else is invited. They're inviting you there to break your kneecaps for speaking against them when they tried to revoke the OGL.
Roll insight. If my character got a letter like this in a campaign, I'd be hella suspicious.
Get your bags packed and go and enjoy it :)
Wow, what an exciting opportunity for all invited.
To be clear, this is neither an olive branch, nor a Trojan horse. It is a very transparent play to lock down their social media coverage.
This works in much the same way as it does in video game reviews (see Jim Stephanie Sterling's channel for many entertaining explanations of how this playbook works in that context). There will be many "summits" like this in the future if they continue to use this tactic. By bringing the media's (that's you) access behind the scenes in-house like this, they get to control the guest list. That means, if you're a "wild card reviewer" who might not always give them the kind of coverage they like to see, then maybe you just won't get invited next time.
So what they are paying for is to get you used to being wined and dined, and to get your audience used to the kinds of premium behind the scenes fresh juicy news they are going to share with you. Once you're hooked, they hope you'll say what they want you to say under pain of being cut off. But if you don't willingly submit, then others will. And their channels will prosper as a result instead of yours.
So by all means go. But don't get used to it. And more importantly, don't get used to having the kind of online following that comes with being a source of exclusive insider information. Keep all this in mind, and you will keep your integrity. You'll also be keeping this amazing community healthy in the process!
Anakin Skywalker: I sense Count Dooku.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: I sense a trap.
Anakin Skywalker: Next move?
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Spring the trap.
You seem like a nice person. In regards to anything Wotc does now or in the future, I have no forgiveness in my heart for these greed driven monsters. I truly hope to live long enough to see Wotc/Hasbro go belly up in spectacular fashion. I have seen the true nature of this beast. I have no desire to give them even a single penny moving forward.
I wish they reap what they have sown in spades.
I am just soooo envy of you! :)
Woot, d&d people coming to washington! If only i got invited i could just drive to it lol. So many awesome people id love to meet that will possibly be there
I'm jealous for that opportunity, and I don't even play D&D (kinda the competitor's follower). But to meet up with the creative minds behind any RPG system? Whohoo, you'd probably just see my cuppacoffee fall down from mid-air when I meep-meep over there. That is a great opportunity in so many ways, and I think you're totally right to grasp it. So, be wined and dined, and just keep your inquisitive nature and critical mind. Congratulations, and have a lot of fun!
If it helps, I'm a product analyst for an unnamed company (not wotc).
When previous business decisions fail, corporations look at their leading consumer base and take them for interviews to genuinely "catch their product up" to the needs of their audience.
It's a business expense that most budgets get funding for every 1-5 years. Usually if it's not needed, it gets absorbed somewhere else in a shady way >>
But all in all, I think your skepticism is healthy and the optimist in me hopes that they're actually trying to do good business this time. Have fun bro
This man really got hyped over a form email? Man, WOTC got him back in its corner for the price of a postage stamp.
WE the community made this happen. WOTC has neglected content creators FOR YEARS and if our community’s action is what it took to wake them up and start supporting their community then great! Go have an awesome time 🤘🏻
Good for you! Glad that you got invited! My suggestion is to not film and talk about it later, but you will see when you'll be there if to film or not. When it comes to "wine&dineing" you, they don't need to do that because I will. Please don't stray away to much from d&d (and 'one d&d' in particular), I am an old man who started dm-ing in ad&d times and I will most likely continue to consume that content and would be sorrowed if you'd distance yourself. Good luck and enjoy your trip!
PIC of Admiral Acbar…
Garbled comm transmission, “…trap!”
I hope you and the others being Invited have a good experience BOB.
I look forward to your Review of the Event, if you want to do One.
P.S. I have been Playing DnD in the UK since the late 70's 🤣
Go and live the experience. Go for you. Not for 'work'
If WotC is smart, they'll listen to you more than they try to get you to listen to them. Here's your chance to be the calm voice of reason that everybody here already knows you to be. Go get 'em.
I'm mentally comparing that email to the comments allegedly written by WotC D&D employees about their workplace culture. So I can certainly understand Bob's confusion about the goings on at WotC. Looking forward to Bob's video on how the creator's conference unfolded and what they are planning. I still have little trust with WotC and will play TTRPGs without investing in their products.
I say go and geek out as much as you want without a camera, but take copious notes and then when they release you can talk us through it all from that perspecitve.
I hope someone brings Lindy Cordega as their +1
Why not? Maybe the conflicted feelings come from some self-imposed feeling of being indebted in some way, like self-obligated to feel particularly grateful. Or maybe it smells disingenious, like a "publicity stunt" trying to claw back approval. But maybe think of it this way:
- They're not asking for anything from you. So neither do you need to obligate yourself. Take them at their word that you can just go, interact, enjoy and that's it.
- You don't need to feel *overly* humble or indebted either. After all, they're asking you to come. You didn't plead them to let you in. They're not extending grace and mercy despite not wanting to. This is something they want to host and they're asking you to join. Trust that they have their reasons to do this. I'm not saying those reasons are evil at all, just that keeping that perspective in mind might help with the conflict.
- And finally, if it, for some reason, would turn out to be somehow disingenious, or you feel weird or awkward in any way, remember that *you can just leave* if you want to. ❤If you can't afford to travel back before the event ends, then just hang out at the hotel with a nice book or see the sights in WA. They can't drag you to the office by force, surely. Of course maybe check that they can't cancel your travel tickets, and maybe bring a credit card just in case.
I once went on a very, very, very cheap off season trip to Turkey. I mean like 500€ for plane tickets from Finland to Turkey, then to Cyprus, back to Turkey and back to Finland, two weeks of hotel stays, buses, breakfasts, tour bus, tourist guide, attraction tickets. Mad stuff. Of course the idea was that we'd buy stuff. On one of the days the tour guide said it's mandatory to go to a jewelry factory and a leather jacket factory. I just told her I'd rather read a book in the bus for this bit, thank you very much. She said I have to go. I told her she can drag me if she wants to try. I had a nice couple of hours with my book. 😁
Record everything you can, decide what you think is worth posting later. Even if you don't use a lot of the footage it'll still be a good memory to keep.
The player in me smells a trap. As many other commenters have mentioned, this could just be a PR shine job. On the other hand, it's possible they've learned to listen and this is the first step in reconciliation. In either case, you have to go. Maybe you get lucky and its an unguarded horde, otherwise you spring the trap and begin combat. Either way, the adventure is going to happen, you might as well be there to see it occur.
Well if you stay till the weekend you can come to norwescon in seatec. I'll be running d&d there and a local program called alexandria rpg library (they collect and preserve ttrpg books) will be there. I think you'll have a fun time.
Don't go. It's the red wedding.
Three things have happened. The D&D team is now out from under the thumb of some of the C suite people who would have disallowed this last year. Its no longer perceived as a risk.
Secondly they have realized that they don't have a staff member with the wide grasp of the game system, its history and the industry. Those people are the ones that left over the past 3 years. This lack of skill means they need to head hunt the people with those skills, sound them out and eventually offer them jobs or consultancies.
Thirdly they know there is a quality control problem. The other businesses making D&D product don't have that problem. If they had the skills to fix it they would have. They again need to meet, talk and perhaps hire people to fix it. That's a side effect of the second problem.
Yes its late and after a disaster but that disaster may have been necessary to open the eyes of the board at WotC, the Higherups in Hasbro and even Kyles eyes.
That's cool, Bob! It's good to hear that WOTC is finally showing interest in the community, though, as you alluded to, the circumstances imply ulterior motives. You'll have to fill me in on what happened... Shockingly, I was not invited. LOL
They are gunning for a content creator feud (shills vs. Sour grapes) leaving Treantmonk, colby d4 and you out (maybe you have been tainted by PF2 😉).
The most interesting question I still have is what was the WotC engagement team doing before this crisis management? What were these employees' duties? Just checking twitter?
Like most things I don't blame the average person in that team, they're doing what they're told.
But I definitely think management need to be taken to task.
The email was signed by "The D&D Creator Relations Team (formerly the D&D Influencer Team)", so yes, I would guess their job was mainly posting stuff on twitter and such. I'm just wondering if they have a separate "player relations" team or if the team was just named strangely and they still handle that as well.
I don't have any real evidence, but anecdotally, I realized that the only times I've seen creators opening those special merch packages from WotC, it was one video from Ted, and 99% photos from people on Twitter. So yes? I just don't think they took UA-cam very seriously until all the OGL backlash.
@@parsath_2584 No, there are countless times people "Were just doing their jobs" I used to work for Rent-A-Center making good money, I quit because I knew it was a predatory company.
@@BobWorldBuilder bingo. That's 100% true. It's not just this company, but many others don't consider youtubers as a serious source of customer consensus or at least as a morale sample.
Funny--they didn't invite me for some reason. Checking me email...nope. But I'm glad you got one and I'm looking forward to hearing how it all turns out. Go Bob!
I guess they don't think they will be able play you like a fiddle :).
The good thing about this is, even if the event itself turns out to be only for damage control and a OneDnD advertisement show, you still get to meet the people who also go there. Very happy for you, to get that opportunity and I can't wait to hear what this was about and who you got to meet.
I don't think you have to record if it doesn't fit the set up and mood. I'm also happy to just hear about what happened.
Yeah I'm definitely excited to meet other creators and the designers in person! And you're right that how much I record will probably just depend on the vibe, but I certainly plan to share something about what all goes down
@@BobWorldBuilder
Err on the side of recording. It's much easier to use editorial discretion after the fact than it is to go back and get a recording of something you missed.
@@steamer2k319 yeah specially because some valuable moments and comments spontaneously happen when you don't expect them to.
@@BobWorldBuilder You could just go in with the mindset of taking pictures. That's something you could add to a video after the fact if you decide to, or just keep for yourself without feeling like it's going to waste. With video you may feel a bit more obligated to the idea that it's definitely going to be making its way to your UA-cam when you get home. You'll likely want keepsakes of your first convention, but really probably best not to go into it trying to be a reporter.
Others will undoubtedly be doing the recording thing already, unless the group that got invited turns out to be disappointingly small, while your main focus should by all accounts just be to try enjoying yourself and get acquainted with what this kind of gathering feels like for you.
“I’m willing to be wined and dined guys.” 😂 We all deserve a little of this. I literally laughed out loud at this. Love the honesty.
just bc you go on a date w/ someone & they buy you food & drinks doesn't mean you're obligated to "put out"...I'd say by all means go, have fun, enjoy yourself...it's on their dime after all
Be sure to raid the hotel minibar, Bob!
It's a work trip!!!
@@BobWorldBuilder Ah, Tax write-offs. Good call!
@@BobWorldBuilder No, its a perfect opportunity to test how many "potions" a rogue feasably can steal and carry without it being noticed. Stick to your brand XD
Record only what you want to. Otherwise, I'm just excited that you have this opportunity! I would absolutely just experience it as much as you can as just a person, and not a creator, and only record if you feel like it is something that YOU would want to record.
That being said, I hope you tell us all about your side quest once its done!