@@jeinnerabdel I have. Some discs just decay over time no matter how you take care of them. They're not all manufactured to the same standards. Sometimes old discs in decent shape just don't work, stuff in them just sorta dies somewhere. I have several hundred discs.
@@jeinnerabdel I've had DVD rot and no , it wasn't sun or water damaged . My collection is mint condition and I find discs that won't even scan on my PC anymore once in a while .
@@jollyollieman6145 Yep. No corporation can take it from me. With the exception of someone living in a small space, there is no reason to go digital unless you are lazy and irresponsible. Digital applogists are content with forfeiting their rights.
It's not the discs. Game companies are deliberately launching glitch and bug infested games that require patching to play. This has become a copyright tool to stop the disc resale. Problem is that the patches are on the console so when it breaks, the replacement must download all patches from a discontinued server to play a disc in your collection. If it can't play detached from the web, don't buy it no matter what media is used.
@@RJoelDOrr May be but at least those with physical copies from the past won’t lose their game. Trusting a company who has the ownership of a license to continue to allow you to have access seems really dumb. Companies rise and fall based on management. Sony could fall and we’d lose access to our games. I don’t subscribe to streaming services either. Haven’t for a long time at least consistently. Just make your own server of your own physical media. Save money and maintain the license in your possession.
@ but majority of games require an online connection. Most disc games today are really the equivalent of digital codes. You put it in the console and then have to download the game from the server. No benefit there… either way I’m a pc gamer now so not a decision I even have to make lol
@ Odd how I can have the internet off and play my games after installing them on my PS5. In the case of the Nintendo Switch they just work. Might want to contact Microsoft to fix that.
I've been rebuilding a DVD/BR movie collection because I'm sick and tired of movies being on a streaming service I have one month, then next month only available to rent or buy digitally, or moving to a service I don't have a sub for. Also, you might buy a digital movie, but then the service closes and you lose everything. Like Sony has done when they shut Vue down. And I had some movie on UV, and it closed, but was saved by Vudu, so I didn't lose anything. But now Vudu has been swallowed by Fandango, so those titles are on the 3rd service now, and who knows how long this can go.
@@HellGatyr No playable physical copy, no purchase. Period. I buy mostly Japanese and indie titles. They are usually better games anyway. Other than that, I buy PS1, Saturn, TurboGrafx, SNES, etc. Many people don't play FPS games and online multiplayer.
@@HellGatyr No, and I waited for the physical of Black Myth: Wukong, as well as Alan Wake II. Both can be played solely from the disc without any internet connection just fine
I love my physical games. It makes them feel more real and like they mean more because I can physically hold them. Its better then just downloading a digital game, easily.
And you OWN your copy. MOST games are totally playable without ever going online. I can't stand it when people push misinformation that says otherwise. I have the receipts.
@@medmuscleit’s almost like they’ve been bought off to lie . What they’re actually trying to complain about is the NFS problem that started when they released the XB1s . Ever since then they’ve been trying to push NFS but they realized they can’t as much as they wanted to . They tried making it to where you had to have fiber optic . The world doesn’t have fiber optic en masse yet . I think they’re trying to regulate the crossplay with PCs where the consoles can’t really keep up enough to be competitive with all of the processing power of PC hardware out there . Consoles have too much latency compared to PC meaning PC players will win more than they should . Nowadays you have some ole 360 trying to out process the latest greatest whatever .
Don't compare consoles having discs to pcs having no discs. On pc you have multiple online stores, extreme competitiveness between stores, many prices, many discounts, its a fully open market. If a store shuts down, its easy to get your games back, or mod your current games to work offline. On consoles you are locked to what that single company decides. If they close the store and dont patch ALL games to work offline, you are done. Zero competitiveness. I will accept a digital only console when and only when that console has a fully open OS that can have any online store and/or freely and legally mod your own games - like the Steam Deck.
you can get external disc drive plugged to USB port of any PC. But when it comes to physical PC games, that war was already lost 20 years ago. PC gamers can only blame themselves now to let it slide. But the war for physical games for consoles is not yet lost. And it does not matter what technology will be used - discs or cartridges. The main reason why physical medias are around is the issue with digital copy ownership. But as many anime fans have painfully discovered, gameplayers are also discovering that their seemingly purchased digital copies of their games would disappear from their library. Imagine if you could buy a digital copy of a pc game and then move to whichever store you want to or just play it without any annoying launchers offline.
@@vensakarakorwien5768that's why I'm never going to move into PC gaming I'm always going to be a console guy old school console that is cuz I'm not moving to the future I do not want to move to digital I'm sorry but I want to keep my games especially offline
I still buy blu ray movies, 4k blu rays, and physical games for PS5, PS4, and Switch and will continue to do so as long as I can. I like to have a physical media format with the data inside that I can use whenever I see fit and no one can erase that media from a server. Their example of Concord is an online only game. Say the same about a game that is history driven and offline. Not the same. Same with movies, I still enjoy watching my favorite movies whenever I choose to without they deciding when to delete it from the server. If you don't have physical media on consoles there is no incentive to own a console over a PC.
I'm with you on that I'm going to keep buying too but but from my switch PS3 PS4 in my Xbox one as much as I can and if one of my system dies I'll just get me another one with the disc on it
I@KrisTheBatSpider21 exactly you can not do that with digital games. Let's say your console breaks down, and they shut down the servers. Can you re-download your games? No. But with a physical disc, you can just pop the disc in a new console and keep playing them. Same with movies, they take away your favorite movie from Netlix or any streaming service you can't watch it anymore. Now, if you own the movie on DVD, Bluray, or 4k, guess what? You get to re watch the movie for years to come.
I 100% agree with some countries governments trying to force online-only marketplaces to change the "Buy game" button to a "rent game" button. Consumers have the right to know that they aren't buying anything, just renting access to a digital thing that might get removed or disappear anytime with no possibility of refunds.
@@mjlancraft Yeah, we need laws that define software licenses as media so that end consumers can sell, lease, lend, or trade, them the same as physical media.
The thing about digital goods. I don't feel like I own them, companies are greedy and could take it away anytime they want. That's why, even right now, I prefer playing directly from the BluRay on my PS5.
i really started collecting physical media last year. blueray movies and shows, ps5 games, and switch games mainly. it might create "clutter" if not stored properly, but it is so much better in the event i ever wanted to sell any of them. i think the best thing to do in the future is switch like carts. They take up way less space in the console and have a ton of storage
@@PaxScooby The game companies would want them to be read only, which is almost impossible to do. Also, we'll end up with the same problem, only worse considering that it costs fractions of a penny to have BR discs printed at the volumes that they purchase. If course, we'll end up fronting the cost of that, so games will skyrocket in price to $100 or more per game when it might be as low as $40 bucks now.
I started collecting blu ray after I got a Panasonic 4k uhd blu ray player, A cheaper version of their highest end model. 4k media looks and sounds better on physical media then streaming because of bitrate and compression (both audio and video)
If the next generation of consoles gets rid of the optical drive then I’m out. I’ll just buy another PS5/Xbox X for back up. My physical library is way bigger than my digital. Just give the option for both
I'm already been out I am not going to move into digital my consoles are always going to be even when they break down I can get me another one are going to be PS3 ps4 Xbox One Nintendo switch and Nintendo 2DS
Yep. That's when I check out myself. I don't buy games that aren't playable without patches. I didn't purchase Eiyuden Chronicles for that reason (along with a bad translation). If I can't own it, I won't pay you for it.
@@KrisTheBatSpider21 Yep. I still have lots of NES, SNES, Genesis, TurboGrafx, Saturn, Dreamcast, and PS2 games that I want to purchase. I have tons of options to OWN games! 👍
I will be a very sad panda when all physical media ends. Games, Movies, and Music, I try to get them physically because if you rely on Netflix, Spotify, or Game Pass to have that movie, song, or game ready for whenever you want, it ain't gonna happen. Stuff gets rotated out all the time for a multitude of reasons. If there was a service that had everything all the time I would be much more in favor of the digital future. But we are at the whims of contracts, copyrights, and political posturing on whether or not your entertainment is available. Games are pulled because copyright contracts expire, music is pulled because artists don't want it on the same platform as someone else, or movies are pulled to create an artificial scarcity/demand. It's super annoying when you want to watch, listen, or play something specific only to find it's not available. Yeah, I've bought my fair share of digital things because of convenience, but I will be sad when all physical media is gone.
The death of physical media is what they wanted. Costs less for them as they don’t need to produce physical copies of the game, and as Matt says they ain’t passing the savings of customers, it’s pure profit. It also kills sharing and kills the used game market, and the collectors market.You want to play the game, full price! Unfortunately this will also kill games. Yes things like steam are going strong, for now, but look of some of the older consoles that adopted digital media and their online stores. If you have the game on a Sd card or SSD you are ok, but if you deleted it to make room for another game and the digital store you used dies that game is forever lost to you. Some digital stores could make it so if they die and close up your games could have drm that make them unplayable.
I don’t mind digital media, but my internet goes out way more often than my electricity so until internet is as solid as the electric utility companies, I will always buy disk, unless it’s an unbeatable sale on the store
The main reason i still get physical discs is most of the time its actually cheaper than the digital one, which given like you said the manufacturing and shipping still shocks me and shows me how much these digital marketplaces are ripping us off. If they were less than the physical i would’ve switched before.
@@omegaman2767 Same. I am relatively indifferent. I hope that it doesn't happen, but it is what it is and I will be fine with it. I have stuff from NES to TurboGrafx to Saturn, to PS2 to GBA to PSP to Vita and so on, imports included. If they don't want my money, I won't give it to them.
Fast forward 3 days after this was recorded and now PSN is down worldwide and can’t even launch some games that are digitally downloaded even if the game isn’t a multiplayer game
Digital stuff makes me wanna Yohoho it, i cant sell a digital game when im done with it, its a complete loss, I cant even trade it in. I will most likely stop buying when forced to digital.
@ I would buy more physical media for PC if they would sell them... I bought Rome II back in 2014 specifically on disc so I don't have to download it but lo and behold it just served as a code for Steam. That wasn't my choice.
I remember when they talked about going digital with pc games years ago. The excuse they used to justify it was for making the games cheaper since they were no longer offering physical copies on disc. Which is total BS because AAA games still go for $60+ for the base game and go for up to $130 with the Super Deluxe Triple Platinum Sucker-Edition. So anything the developers say is like a fart in the wind. Personally, I think they should be charged with anti-consumerism. They're purposely engineering things so you no longer own anything after you've spent your hard earned money on it under the false guise of convenience. While I personally don't miss a disc drive in my pc tower I can still at least go get an external unit that plugs into USB if I wanted to. As for burnable blue-ray discs, those have always been useless IMO. Because it didn't matter how much money you spent on a new burner drive. There was only one company who was allowed to make a codec for burning blue-ray discs and the software was total crap. You couldn't even find an alternative software for burning blue-rays that was actually good. I've been going around in recent months looking for deals on music cd's to restock my cd collection. I had music streaming services in the past and it was nice for using at work. But once you can no longer pay the monthly subscription it's absolutely useless. You don't own anything on a streaming service, you're just renting it. With a cd I can touch it and hold it. As long as the data side of the disc isn't harmed it's easier to fix cd's than people think it is. Some pieces of 2000 grit & up sandpaper with some elbow grease and some polishing compound made for plastic and you'll have shiny cd's in no time.
4:24 YES YOU ARE PRESERVING WHEN OWNING PHYSICAL COPIES!!!... There have been articles that have come out saying that when you download a game digitally, you don't really own the game and that they can take it off the digital store and also from YOUR LIBRARY as well
Happened to me two years ago! Sony locked a lot of people out back then, and I lost over 7K worth of material in my library. Only had about 20 games on disc at the time, now it's beefed up to around 400. Most expensive is Spiderman Web of Shadows on the PS3. That's a good $135 easy. If only we got the same sells as the PS store.😂🤣 It's still better, seeing how I can still play it if the store closes out.
No disk drive no purchase for me buying digital people dont realize that owning digital you really dont own it your just renting the license ill take physical anyday
If playstation stops doing optical disc drives, I'll start being a nintendo only user. You're also wrong here 3:59 , Concord is a bad example, it was an online only game, why would it even have anything on disc?? 90% of single player games for the ps4/ps5 have their content on disc, and if you test them offline they install a playable version of the game.
@@noonwingtv Fair point. I suppose, at best, people pass things off as fact without knowing much on the subject. They may believe that every single patch is mandatory to be able to complete the game, or that loading data from the disc is actually a "key" to download it from online.
4:00 This is one of those times when i must say "Matt, are you dumb?" Look, this kind of statements are one of the reasons why digital supporters think digital is better. But in fact, 99% of the times, the game is full in the BR. Not all the games are CoD and Fortnite, even if that's what your limited knowledge in videogames only knows. Also, the statemen "they will do it you like it or not" causes a lot of damage, because makes people get used to a reality that consumers can change, Look what happened with Helldivers 2, just for asking to people to make one extra account or with Alan Wake 2 and their lack of sales that make them have a physical release. And are you telling me consumers have not the power to revitalize physical media? Now, one thing is for sure: BR-D is obsolete. That's a fact, But people should still buy physical media so they keep that branck of the market alive. Becase think about it, once physical media disappear, the people who likes physical media only will stop playing, and those are mostly the people who like games for their stories or experiencies, so those kind of games will start to be lest profitable. So whay will be left are Live Service games, which will alienate more gamers. The disappearance of pfisical media will make the industry go back to the 80's where games are just for kids and tryhard nerds living in their moms basement.
Without physical media, I have 0 reason to buy a console. Hell I already just wait for a PC release for most Console exclusives anyways, giving up my console really wouldn't be a big loss to me. Hell I gave up on Xbox this generation, all their first party titles are Day 1 PC release anyways. Buy my Playstation 5? Ehhh I think the last time I touched it was on FF7 Rebirth release, because it was one of the only titles I wasn't willing to wait on. Let that sink in, I haven't touch a PS5 in almost a full year. Why would I buy a PS6 without a Disk Drive?
These are the exact same myths that corporations keep pushing, which really exemplifies to me that the people in this video might have a financial incentive to say what they said in this video. The whole section on discs not being real is overstated. It's literally only live service games, which consumers have said no to recently. Just some of the recent releases that can be played offline with no required download from the internet & straight from the disc: Silent Hill 2, Alan Wake II, AstroBot, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Dead Rising Deluxe Remastered, Devil May Cry 5, Black Myth: Wukong, Lollipop Chainsaw Repop, Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered, Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered, etc. the list goes on and on it's a joke.
Let me be controversial. I hate games on physical media. Let alone paying 10 bucks extra, I'll pay 1 buck extra for owing my games digitally. I don't want to preserve that disc, prevent it from scratch, hoping it doesn't get damaged or get misplaced. I've been digital only on both PC and console. My last game bought on physical media was Soldier of Fortune 😅
@caliginousmoira8565 Yeah physical console games are usually cheaper after a while due to inventory. No idea about movies, haven't bought one. But I still buy my games digitally.
@@AkashYadavOriginal Store closing on consoles is 100% at some point. The 3DS and Wii U have already closed, which is crazy. Unless you live in a small space (which may be the case and is understandable), it sounds like you are extremely irresponsible.
I'll see if I can find the article again, but I swear I read that the CEO at SONY Playstation said that it's not possible to completely disc-less console. All the media that they've sold, beyond just games, require a drive to view. Be it CDs up to Blu Ray movies... you need a physical drive to play them. And there are lots of people that have only one console hooked up at a time, so they would need the drive available to watch any of their physical media.
There's a MASSIVE difference between a PC with no disck drive and a console with no disk drive. A PC gives you full access to your entire file system, so it's incredibly easy to back up and modify files where needed. On a console, you have to jailbreak them and jump through so many hoops in order to just back up your save files to a local drive.
I watch a few repair channels on UA-cam and they're constantly repairing Switches, PS5, XBOX, 95% are hardware failures on the board, this disc drive failure argument they made is pretty weak.
The best way I can describe this whole thing is a conversation in cyberpunk 2077. You’re sitting on a roof with Takemura arguing out corporations. Takemura makes some convincing points, but you also know he’s not really right or wrong.
They just want to squeeze more money out of you by not letting you own the games.... You'll own nothing and like it will NOT apply to me.... Yall can join in the hype I know better
when it actually gets to the point where it's digital only. then I'm just going to stop buying games altogether. I am NOT spending hundreds of dollars just to RENT games. I will officially pull the plug on gaming and stick to what I already have.
Just look the #'s of the PS5 PRO sales. No disc drive an the sales fell flat! As true old sckool gamers we want a disk or cartridge! we want something to actually own! If we only wanted no physical media....an just downloadable games we wouldn't bother with a console and go strictly p PC???
If i didnt have my physical edition of Stellar Blade ,my experience would've been "borked" due to the censorship that ensued a day prior to release of the didgital version. But due to the fact i bought the physical, i played the game to completion with the internet turned off without any patches, censorship and with all the outfits intact. So for my money, physical is the way 👍🏿👍🏿
You also have to remember that digital age has brought "Free to play" or "pay to win" games. You couldn't typically get decent free games on discs. These days a lot of games are free to download and pay later, if you want.
And as of right now, the PSN network is down again. Probably due another system hack, which is why so many of us advocate so hard for physical copy that was offline. Your gameplay being tied to a digital network can be broken or taken away at any point.
DRM just needs to die.. i want to own my games that doesnt need servers.. like what happened to owning a game (not a license) and playing offline with ur friends. Time to pull out my ps2
I think everyone is missing the point. They are saying instead of optical drives, which does have and extra failure point, they should go to cartridges for movies and stuff
I need a consitant mission based fps where new episodes come out seasonally, co-op, COD graphics, payday style missions, play from either point of veiw police/heisters for different experience in the story
Guys I agree with you because most digital games rely on the internet to operate .Where physical games your device won’t rely on the internet to run the game
I’ve been saying that optical media was probably not going to continue much longer, but physical media through cartridges is totally doable with newer flash storage being so big
The use to be Player's Choice. It was the games that sold really well the year or two prior. Even online service games could sell a "Player's Choice" physical version in its last days or when the online server decides it is the last year. This would preserve the game and just wouldn't have the updated part anymore because there is none. A live game decides it is the last year. And anyone that didn't have the game could buy the Full "Player's Choice" physical copy. And or at a 50% discount to current players that was a memory sake they can go back to.
Steam + GoG = Life's Good. Steam's ability to move games to micro SD is a blessing, and GoG's lack of DRM is a bigger blessing. It's good to be a PC gamer.
8:45 I looked into having BR discs printed for business. It was only pennies per disc at the low volume of 100k that I wanted. I can imagine it would have been a fraction of a penny per disc at the 1 million and up order volume that game companies made. If all the next generation consoles switched to SD cards, we'd probably see game prices jump by $30 to $40 each.
@Andre-kc9di SD cards are significantly more expensive to make than optical disks, based on the capacity. Additionally, the game companies will want a way to make them read-only, so it won't be regular SD cards but something based on them that has to be developed. That all adds up in cost, and game companies will just pass that cost on to the player. Worse still, imagine if a game is successful enough to spawn a series with several sequels. The first game needs a 128GB SD, but the second manages to fit on a 64GB because of code refinement. Then the third and fourth games however need 256 GB cards. The cost will vary wildly between the games just like in the old NES days.
I just connected a Bluray burner to my Homeserver to have access to it from anywhere. My Ps1 Collection already survived dozens of HDD´s and will maybe outlife me.
For physical copies, set up a SDHC-writing kiosks at Game-selling stores (like Red Box). You can provide your own or have the kiosk provide it to you for a charge.
What really blew my mind, because I was a wedding photographer from back in the day, and thought DVD media would last forever, as long as the disc was stored properly. Then, many'many years later, disc rot looms its ugly head... Even flash drive's won't last forever, so, ugh! No! Cloud storage depends on active servers, so, NOPE! I guess it comes down to, nothing lasts forever...
I kind of hope this administration takes measures to revise IP law to factor all this in. With Blue Ray being phased out, digital store fronts like the Wii shop being shut down, and streaming getting stuff removed regularly, I worry about the history of games, music, and movies. There's plenty of stuff that hasn't been re-released officially. Resident Evil Outbreak for example. Another is Go! Go! Hypergrind.
Also, you don't have use gamepass if you don't need to, it's just that people don't want to pay 70 dollars for a game that may not live up to expectations
As someone thats bought 3 OG Xboxes over the last few years and had to replace the optical drives in each of them, until the third one when i gave up because the drives went from $50 to $80 on average almost overnight. Optical format does not mean you'll be able to play your disks forever. The drives are going to die before the disks. When there are moving bits, they wear out
@AfterBurnerTeirusu128 I've looked into it. Really haven't had the time. All the motors work, just has trouble reading the disks so I figure that laser isn't as strong as it once was
I've got almost 500 DVD/Blurays in my collection and that ain't gonna stop anytime soon.
Have you noticed rot on any of them? I had some DVDs and they got all messed up and I kept them in their boxes for years. Unusable now.
@ I haven’t, no.
@@jeinnerabdel Sun damage scratch damage 100% (I was careless in my younger years), moisture or any type of rot? None so far.
@@jeinnerabdel I have. Some discs just decay over time no matter how you take care of them. They're not all manufactured to the same standards. Sometimes old discs in decent shape just don't work, stuff in them just sorta dies somewhere. I have several hundred discs.
@@jeinnerabdel I've had DVD rot and no , it wasn't sun or water damaged . My collection is mint condition and I find discs that won't even scan on my PC anymore once in a while .
Physical copies are the very essence of a console. They're a tangible ownership and a means of genuity.
Only because until recently, there wasn't anything viable to replace it.
Also u can delete it when you're done an free up your storage space ! U can always load again later on
Nothing like passing by your game shelf and randomly picking an old title just because it caught your eye 😊
Got that right I ain't letting this go because it brings back memories especially as a kid for me
@@jollyollieman6145 Yep. No corporation can take it from me. With the exception of someone living in a small space, there is no reason to go digital unless you are lazy and irresponsible. Digital applogists are content with forfeiting their rights.
No disc = no buy. Simple as that.
Well who knows may be beneficial to your life to quit gaming eventually cause digital is 100% the future
It's not the discs. Game companies are deliberately launching glitch and bug infested games that require patching to play. This has become a copyright tool to stop the disc resale. Problem is that the patches are on the console so when it breaks, the replacement must download all patches from a discontinued server to play a disc in your collection. If it can't play detached from the web, don't buy it no matter what media is used.
@@RJoelDOrr May be but at least those with physical copies from the past won’t lose their game. Trusting a company who has the ownership of a license to continue to allow you to have access seems really dumb. Companies rise and fall based on management. Sony could fall and we’d lose access to our games.
I don’t subscribe to streaming services either. Haven’t for a long time at least consistently. Just make your own server of your own physical media. Save money and maintain the license in your possession.
@ but majority of games require an online connection. Most disc games today are really the equivalent of digital codes. You put it in the console and then have to download the game from the server. No benefit there… either way I’m a pc gamer now so not a decision I even have to make lol
@ Odd how I can have the internet off and play my games after installing them on my PS5. In the case of the Nintendo Switch they just work. Might want to contact Microsoft to fix that.
I've been rebuilding a DVD/BR movie collection because I'm sick and tired of movies being on a streaming service I have one month, then next month only available to rent or buy digitally, or moving to a service I don't have a sub for. Also, you might buy a digital movie, but then the service closes and you lose everything. Like Sony has done when they shut Vue down. And I had some movie on UV, and it closed, but was saved by Vudu, so I didn't lose anything. But now Vudu has been swallowed by Fandango, so those titles are on the 3rd service now, and who knows how long this can go.
@@Hrethgir exactly 👍
Played video games all my life. I never bought a digital game ever and i'm not intending on changing that.
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you dont play multiplayer f2p games? or black myth wukong doest have physical at day 1
@@HellGatyr No playable physical copy, no purchase. Period. I buy mostly Japanese and indie titles. They are usually better games anyway. Other than that, I buy PS1, Saturn, TurboGrafx, SNES, etc. Many people don't play FPS games and online multiplayer.
I'm with you I only buy digital when it's very cheap. Mainly physical and plan to stay that way as long as I can
@@HellGatyr No, and I waited for the physical of Black Myth: Wukong, as well as Alan Wake II. Both can be played solely from the disc without any internet connection just fine
Digital media should be a backup for physical media, not a replacement for physical media
@@jasoncarter455 exactly 👍
I love my physical games. It makes them feel more real and like they mean more because I can physically hold them. Its better then just downloading a digital game, easily.
For me and you facts
And you OWN your copy. MOST games are totally playable without ever going online. I can't stand it when people push misinformation that says otherwise. I have the receipts.
@@medmuscleit’s almost like they’ve been bought off to lie . What they’re actually trying to complain about is the NFS problem that started when they released the XB1s . Ever since then they’ve been trying to push NFS but they realized they can’t as much as they wanted to . They tried making it to where you had to have fiber optic . The world doesn’t have fiber optic en masse yet . I think they’re trying to regulate the crossplay with PCs where the consoles can’t really keep up enough to be competitive with all of the processing power of PC hardware out there . Consoles have too much latency compared to PC meaning PC players will win more than they should . Nowadays you have some ole 360 trying to out process the latest greatest whatever .
"Companies don't care what you want" is why physical media is important.
You can delist a physical game just as quick as you delist a digital game.
@@OzzyFan80 You’d still have access unlike digital.
Physical media forever..
Don't compare consoles having discs to pcs having no discs. On pc you have multiple online stores, extreme competitiveness between stores, many prices, many discounts, its a fully open market. If a store shuts down, its easy to get your games back, or mod your current games to work offline. On consoles you are locked to what that single company decides. If they close the store and dont patch ALL games to work offline, you are done. Zero competitiveness.
I will accept a digital only console when and only when that console has a fully open OS that can have any online store and/or freely and legally mod your own games - like the Steam Deck.
you can get external disc drive plugged to USB port of any PC. But when it comes to physical PC games, that war was already lost 20 years ago. PC gamers can only blame themselves now to let it slide.
But the war for physical games for consoles is not yet lost. And it does not matter what technology will be used - discs or cartridges.
The main reason why physical medias are around is the issue with digital copy ownership. But as many anime fans have painfully discovered, gameplayers are also discovering that their seemingly purchased digital copies of their games would disappear from their library.
Imagine if you could buy a digital copy of a pc game and then move to whichever store you want to or just play it without any annoying launchers offline.
@@vensakarakorwien5768that's why I'm never going to move into PC gaming I'm always going to be a console guy old school console that is cuz I'm not moving to the future I do not want to move to digital I'm sorry but I want to keep my games especially offline
you mean 'the high seas'..... i've had to do that for some of my pc games......
You know you can literally build a PC that can do that yourself, right?
I still buy blu ray movies, 4k blu rays, and physical games for PS5, PS4, and Switch and will continue to do so as long as I can. I like to have a physical media format with the data inside that I can use whenever I see fit and no one can erase that media from a server. Their example of Concord is an online only game. Say the same about a game that is history driven and offline. Not the same. Same with movies, I still enjoy watching my favorite movies whenever I choose to without they deciding when to delete it from the server. If you don't have physical media on consoles there is no incentive to own a console over a PC.
I'm with you on that I'm going to keep buying too but but from my switch PS3 PS4 in my Xbox one as much as I can and if one of my system dies I'll just get me another one with the disc on it
I@KrisTheBatSpider21 exactly you can not do that with digital games. Let's say your console breaks down, and they shut down the servers. Can you re-download your games? No. But with a physical disc, you can just pop the disc in a new console and keep playing them. Same with movies, they take away your favorite movie from Netlix or any streaming service you can't watch it anymore. Now, if you own the movie on DVD, Bluray, or 4k, guess what? You get to re watch the movie for years to come.
You're both wrong, companies are taking away ownership !, I use bluray / 4k all the time.
I 100% agree with some countries governments trying to force online-only marketplaces to change the "Buy game" button to a "rent game" button. Consumers have the right to know that they aren't buying anything, just renting access to a digital thing that might get removed or disappear anytime with no possibility of refunds.
@@mjlancraft Yeah, we need laws that define software licenses as media so that end consumers can sell, lease, lend, or trade, them the same as physical media.
I'll be damned if I'm going to let that happen not me
The thing about digital goods. I don't feel like I own them, companies are greedy and could take it away anytime they want.
That's why, even right now, I prefer playing directly from the BluRay on my PS5.
i really started collecting physical media last year. blueray movies and shows, ps5 games, and switch games mainly. it might create "clutter" if not stored properly, but it is so much better in the event i ever wanted to sell any of them. i think the best thing to do in the future is switch like carts. They take up way less space in the console and have a ton of storage
What we really need are laws that allows you to transfer a license for digital media.
@TheZoenGaming maybe in about 80 years based on how quickly government moves
i think they should just do sd cards or flash drives with each game
@@PaxScooby The game companies would want them to be read only, which is almost impossible to do.
Also, we'll end up with the same problem, only worse considering that it costs fractions of a penny to have BR discs printed at the volumes that they purchase. If course, we'll end up fronting the cost of that, so games will skyrocket in price to $100 or more per game when it might be as low as $40 bucks now.
I started collecting blu ray after I got a Panasonic 4k uhd blu ray player, A cheaper version of their highest end model. 4k media looks and sounds better on physical media then streaming because of bitrate and compression (both audio and video)
That's interesting. However, I went out of my way to buy a PS5 with a disc drive on it.... Customers like it. Storage isn't cheap.
Please support the multiple efforts of “Stop Killing Games”, there is a project right now in the EU and some countries still need to help sign it.
If the next generation of consoles gets rid of the optical drive then I’m out. I’ll just buy another PS5/Xbox X for back up. My physical library is way bigger than my digital. Just give the option for both
I'm already been out I am not going to move into digital my consoles are always going to be even when they break down I can get me another one are going to be PS3 ps4 Xbox One Nintendo switch and Nintendo 2DS
Sony already said the ps6 will have a disc
Yep. That's when I check out myself. I don't buy games that aren't playable without patches. I didn't purchase Eiyuden Chronicles for that reason (along with a bad translation). If I can't own it, I won't pay you for it.
@@medmuscle now thats what im taking about.
@@KrisTheBatSpider21 Yep. I still have lots of NES, SNES, Genesis, TurboGrafx, Saturn, Dreamcast, and PS2 games that I want to purchase. I have tons of options to OWN games! 👍
That’s why I’m so glad the Nintendo switch 2 has cartridges again
Nintendo has been doing this to combat piracy.
@@Darkstar18773 huh ? game still can be purchased digitaly. it's never about piracy if there is one they will do like they always do, a court
I will be a very sad panda when all physical media ends. Games, Movies, and Music, I try to get them physically because if you rely on Netflix, Spotify, or Game Pass to have that movie, song, or game ready for whenever you want, it ain't gonna happen. Stuff gets rotated out all the time for a multitude of reasons. If there was a service that had everything all the time I would be much more in favor of the digital future. But we are at the whims of contracts, copyrights, and political posturing on whether or not your entertainment is available. Games are pulled because copyright contracts expire, music is pulled because artists don't want it on the same platform as someone else, or movies are pulled to create an artificial scarcity/demand. It's super annoying when you want to watch, listen, or play something specific only to find it's not available. Yeah, I've bought my fair share of digital things because of convenience, but I will be sad when all physical media is gone.
Which hopefully won't happen if people fight for it
The death of physical media is what they wanted. Costs less for them as they don’t need to produce physical copies of the game, and as Matt says they ain’t passing the savings of customers, it’s pure profit. It also kills sharing and kills the used game market, and the collectors market.You want to play the game, full price! Unfortunately this will also kill games. Yes things like steam are going strong, for now, but look of some of the older consoles that adopted digital media and their online stores. If you have the game on a Sd card or SSD you are ok, but if you deleted it to make room for another game and the digital store you used dies that game is forever lost to you. Some digital stores could make it so if they die and close up your games could have drm that make them unplayable.
I don’t mind digital media, but my internet goes out way more often than my electricity so until internet is as solid as the electric utility companies, I will always buy disk, unless it’s an unbeatable sale on the store
amen.
digital games downloaded to your console dont need internet to play
The main reason i still get physical discs is most of the time its actually cheaper than the digital one, which given like you said the manufacturing and shipping still shocks me and shows me how much these digital marketplaces are ripping us off. If they were less than the physical i would’ve switched before.
If next generation go all digital, this current generation will be my last! I have enough video games to play for the rest of my life!
#TeamPhysical
@@omegaman2767 Same. I am relatively indifferent. I hope that it doesn't happen, but it is what it is and I will be fine with it. I have stuff from NES to TurboGrafx to Saturn, to PS2 to GBA to PSP to Vita and so on, imports included. If they don't want my money, I won't give it to them.
Fast forward 3 days after this was recorded and now PSN is down worldwide and can’t even launch some games that are digitally downloaded even if the game isn’t a multiplayer game
Dude on the left breaking the disc like that without safety glasses. What an idiot.😮
Digital stuff makes me wanna Yohoho it, i cant sell a digital game when im done with it, its a complete loss, I cant even trade it in. I will most likely stop buying when forced to digital.
Clown
When is the last time you put a disc in your PC? Yesterday.
When is the last time you had a disc drive? Right now.
Fr even right now on every PC and laptop I own (I'm a PC repair tech) has a DVD drive lol
Ditto
When was the last time you bought any physical media for said PC disc drive? 2015-16.
If music and movies count then today.
@ I would buy more physical media for PC if they would sell them... I bought Rome II back in 2014 specifically on disc so I don't have to download it but lo and behold it just served as a code for Steam. That wasn't my choice.
I remember when they talked about going digital with pc games years ago. The excuse they used to justify it was for making the games cheaper since they were no longer offering physical copies on disc. Which is total BS because AAA games still go for $60+ for the base game and go for up to $130 with the Super Deluxe Triple Platinum Sucker-Edition. So anything the developers say is like a fart in the wind. Personally, I think they should be charged with anti-consumerism. They're purposely engineering things so you no longer own anything after you've spent your hard earned money on it under the false guise of convenience.
While I personally don't miss a disc drive in my pc tower I can still at least go get an external unit that plugs into USB if I wanted to. As for burnable blue-ray discs, those have always been useless IMO. Because it didn't matter how much money you spent on a new burner drive. There was only one company who was allowed to make a codec for burning blue-ray discs and the software was total crap. You couldn't even find an alternative software for burning blue-rays that was actually good.
I've been going around in recent months looking for deals on music cd's to restock my cd collection. I had music streaming services in the past and it was nice for using at work. But once you can no longer pay the monthly subscription it's absolutely useless. You don't own anything on a streaming service, you're just renting it. With a cd I can touch it and hold it. As long as the data side of the disc isn't harmed it's easier to fix cd's than people think it is. Some pieces of 2000 grit & up sandpaper with some elbow grease and some polishing compound made for plastic and you'll have shiny cd's in no time.
4:24 YES YOU ARE PRESERVING WHEN OWNING PHYSICAL COPIES!!!... There have been articles that have come out saying that when you download a game digitally, you don't really own the game and that they can take it off the digital store and also from YOUR LIBRARY as well
Publishers are now legally required to put a disclaimer on digital games saying that you don't own it, but are merely buying a license to use the IP.
@@phayroent9742ye, but thing is you could keep it forever until item condition is good enough. Now it’s we will say how long you gona give it to you.
Happened to me two years ago! Sony locked a lot of people out back then, and I lost over 7K worth of material in my library. Only had about 20 games on disc at the time, now it's beefed up to around 400. Most expensive is Spiderman Web of Shadows on the PS3. That's a good $135 easy. If only we got the same sells as the PS store.😂🤣 It's still better, seeing how I can still play it if the store closes out.
When I can no longer buy my games on physical media I will no longer buy games.
When that happens I will support GoG on PC if a game comes out that’s GOOD that way I can back up the game myself. No DRM.
We are not the Target audience, this new Generation is being conditioned to go No physical media. Our generation will be long gone.
they can pry my dvd and bluray collection from my cold dead hands
No disk drive no purchase for me buying digital people dont realize that owning digital you really dont own it your just renting the license ill take physical anyday
If playstation stops doing optical disc drives, I'll start being a nintendo only user.
You're also wrong here 3:59 , Concord is a bad example, it was an online only game, why would it even have anything on disc?? 90% of single player games for the ps4/ps5 have their content on disc, and if you test them offline they install a playable version of the game.
@@noonwingtv Absolutely correct. I don't know why people push lies.
@medmuscle i think most people genuinely just think that, unfortunately.
@@noonwingtv Fair point. I suppose, at best, people pass things off as fact without knowing much on the subject. They may believe that every single patch is mandatory to be able to complete the game, or that loading data from the disc is actually a "key" to download it from online.
I like physical media because I can pick up used games for ps5 for 70% off .
I already feel like not buying anything PlayStation anymore physical media is dead I'm just enjoying all my old stuff
4:00
This is one of those times when i must say "Matt, are you dumb?" Look, this kind of statements are one of the reasons why digital supporters think digital is better. But in fact, 99% of the times, the game is full in the BR. Not all the games are CoD and Fortnite, even if that's what your limited knowledge in videogames only knows. Also, the statemen "they will do it you like it or not" causes a lot of damage, because makes people get used to a reality that consumers can change, Look what happened with Helldivers 2, just for asking to people to make one extra account or with Alan Wake 2 and their lack of sales that make them have a physical release. And are you telling me consumers have not the power to revitalize physical media? Now, one thing is for sure: BR-D is obsolete. That's a fact, But people should still buy physical media so they keep that branck of the market alive. Becase think about it, once physical media disappear, the people who likes physical media only will stop playing, and those are mostly the people who like games for their stories or experiencies, so those kind of games will start to be lest profitable. So whay will be left are Live Service games, which will alienate more gamers. The disappearance of pfisical media will make the industry go back to the 80's where games are just for kids and tryhard nerds living in their moms basement.
@@blzbfallenangel Exactly this!!
Without physical media, I have 0 reason to buy a console. Hell I already just wait for a PC release for most Console exclusives anyways, giving up my console really wouldn't be a big loss to me. Hell I gave up on Xbox this generation, all their first party titles are Day 1 PC release anyways. Buy my Playstation 5? Ehhh I think the last time I touched it was on FF7 Rebirth release, because it was one of the only titles I wasn't willing to wait on. Let that sink in, I haven't touch a PS5 in almost a full year. Why would I buy a PS6 without a Disk Drive?
Most people who buy disc's nowadays don't even play them just collect. Really shows why physical media has only decreased.
I'll keep my old system then
Digital don't work for me in the woods
I won’t pay for games, music, movies if they are not on a physical carrier.
If the new Xbox and PlayStation comes out as “digital only” it will epicly fail! Mark my words!
These are the exact same myths that corporations keep pushing, which really exemplifies to me that the people in this video might have a financial incentive to say what they said in this video. The whole section on discs not being real is overstated. It's literally only live service games, which consumers have said no to recently. Just some of the recent releases that can be played offline with no required download from the internet & straight from the disc: Silent Hill 2, Alan Wake II, AstroBot, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Dead Rising Deluxe Remastered, Devil May Cry 5, Black Myth: Wukong, Lollipop Chainsaw Repop, Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered, Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered, etc. the list goes on and on it's a joke.
I love Austin looking in his drink for disc shards 😂
Let me be controversial. I hate games on physical media.
Let alone paying 10 bucks extra, I'll pay 1 buck extra for owing my games digitally. I don't want to preserve that disc, prevent it from scratch, hoping it doesn't get damaged or get misplaced.
I've been digital only on both PC and console. My last game bought on physical media was Soldier of Fortune 😅
$10 extra.... wait a bit and the physical games in the stores(not gamestop) are cheaper. even movies and shows are cheaper.
@caliginousmoira8565 Yeah physical console games are usually cheaper after a while due to inventory. No idea about movies, haven't bought one. But I still buy my games digitally.
@@AkashYadavOriginal Digital is horrible for game preservation, and only empowers companies while forfeiting consumer power.
@medmuscle yes but for me the chances of misplacing my disc, damaging my disc are higher than store closing down.
@@AkashYadavOriginal Store closing on consoles is 100% at some point. The 3DS and Wii U have already closed, which is crazy. Unless you live in a small space (which may be the case and is understandable), it sounds like you are extremely irresponsible.
I already have more physical games than I can actually play. IF/WHEN physical goes away, I’ll just stop buying games.
I'll see if I can find the article again, but I swear I read that the CEO at SONY Playstation said that it's not possible to completely disc-less console. All the media that they've sold, beyond just games, require a drive to view. Be it CDs up to Blu Ray movies... you need a physical drive to play them. And there are lots of people that have only one console hooked up at a time, so they would need the drive available to watch any of their physical media.
I think Sony will sell a Blu-ray player for the PS6 for an outrageous price.
No wedding/event photographer worth their salt is burning disks at this point... Flash drives now!!
I will not buy digital media, for xbox or sony for them to delete my games when they feel like it. Nope not happening.
There's a MASSIVE difference between a PC with no disck drive and a console with no disk drive.
A PC gives you full access to your entire file system, so it's incredibly easy to back up and modify files where needed. On a console, you have to jailbreak them and jump through so many hoops in order to just back up your save files to a local drive.
The day they stop producing physical media, will be the day I stop purchasing any media
key word purchasing...
Same here
I have disc drives on my 2k pc.
I'll play older games and not even touch new ones at this point
Their loss
I watch a few repair channels on UA-cam and they're constantly repairing Switches, PS5, XBOX, 95% are hardware failures on the board, this disc drive failure argument they made is pretty weak.
All of my PS1 games still work.😂
If ps6 has no physical media its the end of playstation for me 😢
Every comment section is full of people saying they love physical games yet the sales data shows nobody is buying them. 🤔
30 precent of people are.
Lies Sony just confirmed that they are gonna need the ps6 to have a disc drive !
The best way I can describe this whole thing is a conversation in cyberpunk 2077. You’re sitting on a roof with Takemura arguing out corporations. Takemura makes some convincing points, but you also know he’s not really right or wrong.
You will own nothing and be happy -WEF
They just want to squeeze more money out of you by not letting you own the games....
You'll own nothing and like it will NOT apply to me....
Yall can join in the hype
I know better
when it actually gets to the point where it's digital only. then I'm just going to stop buying games altogether. I am NOT spending hundreds of dollars just to RENT games. I will officially pull the plug on gaming and stick to what I already have.
Just look the #'s of the PS5 PRO sales. No disc drive an the sales fell flat! As true old sckool gamers we want a disk or cartridge! we want something to actually own! If we only wanted no physical media....an just downloadable games we wouldn't bother with a console and go strictly p PC???
In some countries acces to internet is wxpensive or impossible,,feel bad for that people wouldn't be able to play new video games consoles
If i didnt have my physical edition of Stellar Blade ,my experience would've been "borked" due to the censorship that ensued a day prior to release of the didgital version. But due to the fact i bought the physical, i played the game to completion with the internet turned off without any patches, censorship and with all the outfits intact. So for my money, physical is the way 👍🏿👍🏿
The availability of Stellar Blade physically was the reason I bought a disc PS5.
Without the internet you will own nothing. This is the problem
@1:10 That was actually pretty sick, Matt. 😎 Lol. Cheers.
You also have to remember that digital age has brought "Free to play" or "pay to win" games. You couldn't typically get decent free games on discs. These days a lot of games are free to download and pay later, if you want.
We were told discs were going away by the end of ps4. Let’s just wait and see instead of assuming
This is the most reasonable take I seen about this topic
And as of right now, the PSN network is down again. Probably due another system hack, which is why so many of us advocate so hard for physical copy that was offline. Your gameplay being tied to a digital network can be broken or taken away at any point.
DRM just needs to die.. i want to own my games that doesnt need servers.. like what happened to owning a game (not a license) and playing offline with ur friends. Time to pull out my ps2
I think everyone is missing the point. They are saying instead of optical drives, which does have and extra failure point, they should go to cartridges for movies and stuff
I need a consitant mission based fps where new episodes come out seasonally, co-op, COD graphics, payday style missions, play from either point of veiw police/heisters for different experience in the story
We need to keep physical games alive for many many more years.
That is kind of insane that Sony are no longer going to make rewritable Blu-ray discs
Guys I agree with you because most digital games rely on the internet to operate .Where physical games your device won’t rely on the internet to run the game
I’ve been saying that optical media was probably not going to continue much longer, but physical media through cartridges is totally doable with newer flash storage being so big
The use to be Player's Choice.
It was the games that sold really well the year or two prior.
Even online service games could sell a "Player's Choice" physical version in its last days or when the online server decides it is the last year.
This would preserve the game and just wouldn't have the updated part anymore because there is none.
A live game decides it is the last year. And anyone that didn't have the game could buy the Full "Player's Choice" physical copy. And or at a 50% discount to current players that was a memory sake they can go back to.
Steam + GoG = Life's Good. Steam's ability to move games to micro SD is a blessing, and GoG's lack of DRM is a bigger blessing. It's good to be a PC gamer.
8:45 I looked into having BR discs printed for business. It was only pennies per disc at the low volume of 100k that I wanted. I can imagine it would have been a fraction of a penny per disc at the 1 million and up order volume that game companies made.
If all the next generation consoles switched to SD cards, we'd probably see game prices jump by $30 to $40 each.
What what what what
@Andre-kc9di SD cards are significantly more expensive to make than optical disks, based on the capacity.
Additionally, the game companies will want a way to make them read-only, so it won't be regular SD cards but something based on them that has to be developed.
That all adds up in cost, and game companies will just pass that cost on to the player.
Worse still, imagine if a game is successful enough to spawn a series with several sequels. The first game needs a 128GB SD, but the second manages to fit on a 64GB because of code refinement. Then the third and fourth games however need 256 GB cards. The cost will vary wildly between the games just like in the old NES days.
12:50 and just like that I walked away from Team Matt and said hi team Austin can I join
Remember the old NES game cartridge boxes. Sometimes the artwork was better than the game itself.
Well, when everything goes all digital I will just stop buying if I can’t own it is that simple
The optical disk will outlive your great great great grandchildren…
"You will own nothing and love it"
Rent-a-life
I just connected a Bluray burner to my Homeserver to have access to it from anywhere. My Ps1 Collection already survived dozens of HDD´s and will maybe outlife me.
For physical copies, set up a SDHC-writing kiosks at Game-selling stores (like Red Box). You can provide your own or have the kiosk provide it to you for a charge.
What really blew my mind, because I was a wedding photographer from back in the day, and thought DVD media would last forever, as long as the disc was stored properly.
Then, many'many years later, disc rot looms its ugly head...
Even flash drive's won't last forever, so, ugh!
No! Cloud storage depends on active servers, so, NOPE!
I guess it comes down to, nothing lasts forever...
To be fair, you can fit a game on Nintendo disk. When you put a game desk into Xbox or PlayStation, it’ll spend five hours downloading the game.
I have stopped patching my physical games. I'm making it a statement that modern physical media should contain a good playable offline build.
No goodbye for me- sailing those high seas = me having every copy of every game I want and I own that crap, it won't be taken away from me that way.
It's going to be streaming from an app on your TV. That's the future. Fixes all the issues for the corporation but obviously would suck for consumers
As long as it can make the company's money, physical media isn't going anywhere for a while.
1:12 I want a reverse GIF of that making look like matt is magic
I kind of hope this administration takes measures to revise IP law to factor all this in. With Blue Ray being phased out, digital store fronts like the Wii shop being shut down, and streaming getting stuff removed regularly, I worry about the history of games, music, and movies. There's plenty of stuff that hasn't been re-released officially. Resident Evil Outbreak for example. Another is Go! Go! Hypergrind.
As someone who only has internet on my phone, I have been very fortunate that PS5 games come on the disk.
Capcom said, in statement, that they won't be getting rid of physical disc games any time soon
Also, you don't have use gamepass if you don't need to, it's just that people don't want to pay 70 dollars for a game that may not live up to expectations
If consoles ditch discs, i’ll ditch consoles for PC. Its that simple.
As someone thats bought 3 OG Xboxes over the last few years and had to replace the optical drives in each of them, until the third one when i gave up because the drives went from $50 to $80 on average almost overnight. Optical format does not mean you'll be able to play your disks forever. The drives are going to die before the disks. When there are moving bits, they wear out
That is a problem right now with Laserdisc . There are plenty of the discs out there , but a working player is getting difficult to come by .
OG Xbox dvd drives tend to have bad caps. You could fix them.
@AfterBurnerTeirusu128 I've looked into it. Really haven't had the time. All the motors work, just has trouble reading the disks so I figure that laser isn't as strong as it once was
@@DaBigCheeso It’s either dust on the laser, or the caps on the disc drive’s pcb.