Completely Bogus Cigar Tips To Avoid
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- On Cigars Daily LIVE 243, we chatted at length about the weird cigar misinformation that floats around the cigar world. There are lot's of tips, tricks, advice, and 'etiquette' that are honestly worthless. In this clip from the live stream, we'll talk about the big ones we've heard, and how to when you're listening to bad advice.
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Cigars (like everything else) have diminishing returns once you break a certain price point ($11 ish). For example the difference between a $3 cigar and a $10 cigar is massive but the difference between a $10 cigar and a $40 cigar is borderline negligible.
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Not in Canada. Hand rolled cigars start at 25 ish.
@Ryan Corsaut eh 25 Canadian is like $10 in proper bald eagles right? 😜
Can’t get many hand rolled cigars under around £15 in the UK most brands have their “standard production” sitting at £20-30 minimum
@@ryancorsaut5177 where do you live ? I’m in Toronto and we have at least 10 cigar shops and premium hand rolled cigars do not start at 25$. You can get many popular non Cubans brands for $10-$16
About the inhaling portion I laughed so hard. I brought a friend to the cigar daily shop, he wouldn’t listen to me about not inhaling. He ended up vomiting outside on the side of your building and I had to ask Dustin for water to clean your building. 😂
That’s funny man
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I inhale like every couple puffs, ex cigarette smoker. Just really enjoy the way it hits your throat on a straight inhale. Every puff though you’d gotta be a mad man and not care about your well being at all lol
Now that's funny! I think I remember that. Word of pukers always makes it to the studio.
No one ever told me about turning the uneven burning portion up. I just came to the conclusion on my own. It probably doesn’t matter but it makes me feel better
It does work.
Actually, I find it helps the opposite way. It doesn’t make sense to me, but the end that’s not burning right seems to catch up when I have it down.
I rotate my cigars 1/4 turn every 2-3 draws. If there is a breeze (outside) or draft (inside) it can impact the burn. If you're sitting in totally calm environment, it doesn't matter, but most of us don't have that luxury.
@@SomeGuyFromOK Same!
When I was younger and originally switched from smoking cigarettes to cigars, I naturally was inhaling cigars as I smoked them and I never had a problem with inhaling them. I then quit smoking altogether and when I came back to smoking cigars, it was no longer natural to inhale them. I had heard that you weren't supposed to and the few times I accidentally inhaled a small amount (as I learned to retrohale), I quickly learned that I definitely did not want to inhale cigars.
As for cutting a cigar anyway you want; don't punch a torpedo, just don't do it
Guy told me to lick the entire cigar before lighting. I think it was a form of old man hazing 😂
I use to do that haha. Wet it so it burned slower.. or so I thought haha
The re-lighting cracks me up. If i don't finish a cigar, I'll snip the charred part and store in my humidor. Recently, I did that and the second smoke from the re-light was more enjoyable than the first light 😂
I don’t think it’s that you can’t, I don’t like how it tastes the 2nd time around. I think it fouls the other cigars in the box.
Thanks for being honest on the whole plume vs mold thing. It's incredible that people still not only think plume is a thing, but think it's a *good* thing. It doesn't really even make sense. If you think about it, the most likely way to get oils to the surface would be to dramatically under humidify, so the cells of the leaf desiccate and shrink. Obviously, that is not a good idea.
When I started smoking cigars someone told me to rotate the cigar when I smoked it to stop it from canoeing. Now I only rotate it through habit.
And yes, sometimes a stick canoes regardless lol.
"If it ain't a Cuban, it's not a Real Cigar". Lol
I hate that one
Oh I know many like this. I like Nicaraguan, but I know guys who turn up their nose. In fact, I have had a few Cubans and many other countries, and I don’t think Cubans are the best I have had.
I've been smoking cigars for over 15 years and I've always heard about the uneven burn. I never thought it did anything but I did always rotate it just in case and never thought to look into it further. I'll never do that again. Thanks for clearing it up!
but it works with a jooooiiint......
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. God bless
Enjoyable, entertaining and informative chat session! Thanks for clearing up some misconceptions, mistakes and misinformation.
Everyone is different. A cigar that I love, someone else may absolutely hate. And one they love I may not like. Smoke what you like.
In a nutshell, almost any cigar etiquette that is shown in TV and movies is a bad tip.
The cigars I typically smoke are prone to getting runs to one side and I’ve found that rotating the cigar as I’m smoking it helps to prevent this and keeps it burning evenly.
Got into cigars about half a year ago and I'd definitely agree with what Tim says at 5:57. I live in Europe where I pay significantly more per stick than in the U.S. There's more variety in the U.S. and it's usually a LOT cheaper, sure you can't legitimately buy Cubans at home but there's so much more on the market than just Cubans, which are nice but definitely not the be all end all of cigars.
Great vid as usual Cigars Daily
Love all the information that Tim provides.
Enjoy all the videos.
My wife likes to take a few draws on my cigar sometimes. It’s perfect because I get to spend time with her and don’t have to give up whole cigars. As far as cigars having to be expensive, my top 2 favorites are both under $10. I’ve found the same myth in the whiskey world.
You have a great wife. Defiantly a keeper. 💨
What are your two favorite specifically?
We don’t all have palates for higher end stuff.
Yes. What are your two favorite Whiskeys?
Really enjoying kristoffs right now. Got an 8piece sampler and their maduros are excellent
I agree that turning the long side up doesn't work to even the burn on a cigar. That idea, however, works well on a joint. I guess that is where the idea comes from
I love these kind of cigar talks. ❤🙂
I appreciate it.
It's our pleasure Jen! I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
yes this guy is awesome
I like a vertical V cut just because of the feel and the fact that I can get a good seal when I draw. I have to agree with Tim, love the colibri cutter
Vs are nice, when I'm fishing or doing yard work I'm prone clenching the cigar in my mouth, v cuts stay together better when you do that over a straight cut I've found.
That was a great live show! Love how you took one of the best parts and turned it into a short vid. Good poop guys!
lol, thanks man! It was good poop. I'm training a team member to edit videos over here, so I should be able to get more content out like this in the coming weeks. Very exicted.
When starting out, I accidentally inhaled a Perdomo Sungrown. Even as a cigarette smoker at the time, that inhale hurt so badly! Solid three minutes of recovery time.
This is better than talk shows. More please.
I'm a regular Ashton VSG smoker. But I also really like a Fuente Curly Head. Price doesn't matter if you like the smoke.
Misinformation: flavored cigars are for newbies.
I’m 61 & been smoking cigars since the late 1970’s. I never had a flavored cigar until about 15-20 years ago and tried an Acid Nasty. Now one of my humidors is for Acid only!
As far as a cigar having to be over $20, I was recommended a cigar called a Bolivar Confraida that was like 6$ and WOW what a great smoke
A real and legit Bolivar that costs 6$? 😳
I appreciate that you continually refer back to personal preference. So many "rules" set out to lock people into a this is the only way, perception. Follow some guidelines and find what makes the best experience for you! The experience is the point IMO! great info guys!
The "canoeing" as you call it or uneven burn. Rotating the uneven burned part up has always worked for me, /shrug. I wouldnt really call it "misinformation", maybe somewhere along the lines of rumor. I generally rotate mine throughout the smoke which I think maintains an even burn. Personally I think the cut has a lot to do the overall draw and burn. An uneven cut may produce a more uneven burn.
Something that I never understand is when people say that there’s a “proper way to put out a cigar”… why does that matter? If I’m done with it, who cares how I put it out? It’s like saying there right and a wrong way to throw out a dirty napkin.
Word. Facts.
I believe it’s just because of the ways it smokes like a dumpster fire when you put water on it when you smash it out and it sticks up the room. So if you’re in a lounge it’s just bad etiquette. If you’re outside it probably doesn’t matter really
because there is a particular etiquette to cigars, particularly when smoking in a lounge or with other people. Etiquette has actual reasons, not just some high brow crap. If you smash you cigar, it creates a nasty smell, makes a mess that the shop has to clean up, and often causes a flare up of smoke and ash. Others have to come and clean up after you, when you simply could have just placed your cigar on the ashtray and it would go out on it's own. Now, when you are by yourself at home, do whatever you want, why this has to be told to people is beyond me.
I didn’t know anyone who smoked cigars, I only know what you taught me. I do feel knowledgeable because of it .
From what I have learned about the various cuts and learned from my own experience, the cuts I use depend on shape and type of cigar. I use V-cut for belicoso or torpedoes to keep the integrity of the head shape. Straight cut and punch cuts depend on what I want in a draw and/or mouth feel. Most depend on preference, but with the V, I think shape is the main factor.
Turning a canoeing smoke to put the slower burning side up is just an idea that is reinvented by new smokers every day. It makes sense that it would help -- it just doesn't in practice.
My wife smokes cigars, like all day. She probably smokes 6-8 daily. Normally when she gets off of work we share cigars together while watching TV. It's awesome. But sometimes I have to ask her please save this one to smoke with me. Lol
ALOT of what I heard in the beginning was: cigars are a luxury item, only wealthy successful people can enjoy them, and any stick under $10 is trash. Well as a working class normie who enjoys $3 sticks, I say F*** ALL OF THAT.
For real🤣some $3 sticks like Jm’s are good enough to smoke on and they’re not harsh at all for me.
I keep a 2 dollars cigar clamped in my jaw all day long at work.
You guys absolutely nailed! When I 1st started, I canooed and kept using dank old matches to start it back up. A month later, still using matches with an even burn. 20 years later, using a combination of matches and torches. It's kind of hard to do with matches here in the windy state of Maine.. Plus you are always in a hurry in the cold weather. I thrown on my snow suit and enjoy an icy cigar to the finish. Never listened to anyone's "tips".
My wife smokes my cigars pretty regularly. We enjoy it and it is really relaxing. By the way...I am awaiting my first order from you guys! Great prices and free shipping...cant beat it!!!
Luv the show fellas! I'm a new cigar smoker and this show was very informative!
One of my fav bits of cigar 'misinformation' that I've heard from time to time is that you shouldn't hold a cigar like a cigarette (between your fingers), you should only hold it between thumb and forefinger. I have no idea what this is supposed to accomplish - maybe it's supposed to be easier to handle?
I'll always find a padron family reserve 46 year worth it
But I'll also love me a drew estate Maduro factory smoke as well.
Learn what you like, and branch from there. It's about consistency and refining your taste for what will bring you joy, not how much or how expensive your collection is. Least for those of us not ultra wealthy lol.
When I was a college cigar noob I was exclusively recommended light, boring, flavorless cigars by tobacconists who assumed that would be the best beginner smoke.
They also associated light/dark with light/strong.
Love your show and the fact that you do a pretty good review on a lot of cigars. I just recently found you and am happy I did. Thanks for all the content.
That being said I would like to correct one of your misconceptions. That would be your comments on Cuban cigars. I think we all get the fact that you have a cigar shop in the US and you make a good living from it. I certainly didn't expect you to come out and say yea Cubans are the best. LOL. I've been smoking cigars for 23 years. I started out on non cubans. Mostly Fuentes. Then someone gifted me a cuban and for the next 22 years that is all I smoked. Now with the prices going so high I am looking at non cubans once again. Anyway, a fair statement would have been that some people prefer Cubans over non Cubans. Comes down to personal preference. Look at the European and Asian markets. They are buying up Cubans faster than they can make them which is one reason why they have become scarce lately. Non Cubans do poorly in those markets except for a select few that are trying to gear their cigars towards a more cuban profile.
So, my recent experience with non cubans is that they are getting better. Some manufacturers have tried really hard to make some high quality sticks. Tatuaje and Dunbarton are 2 of them off the top of my head. I would go as far as saying that i like thier cigars. Still not as good as Cubans but decent smokes.
As for pricing, I will spend money on cigars. 925 in the last 2 weeks alone. All non Cubans. Sadly none with you. For some reason your not even close to being competitive but I did want to support you. i think your a good guy and enjoy your shows. So, as far as buying cigars goes, I can buy excellent custom rolled cubans for 250-350 a bundle. so when non Cubans get up to even close to that price, I prefer to buy Cubans. So what I am looking for is a good quality non Cuban cigar that is nowhere near that price point. Some Tatuaje and some Dunbarton fit the bill. Not all of them because they are getting up there in price. I have tried and am trying some of the higher end stuff but only on a one time deal just to see where they are at.
In conclusion, non Cuban producers are geared toward the US market. 99.5% of US cigar smokers are probably smoking non Cubans. There is little chance that that will change anytime in the next 10-20 years. Even if the embargo is lifted, the prices are so high now that most couldn't afford them anyway. They are still the best cigars on the planet and will be for at least several more decades. Non Cubans have come a long way in 10 years but they still cant reproduce that Cuban salty twang. Thats whats really missing from the non Cubans. If they ever get that figured out they will be onto something and be able to compete with the Cubans.
Great video with great information. Thank you
warm air travels "higher" heat radiates from a single point in all directions.
I Recently started smoking cigars on and off since the last year. Idk if it is MY tastebuds of just me burning bad but, I really don't feel or TASTE any difference between a LOT of the budget sticks. There's only about 4 cigs that I actively taste a difference. Macanudos Whites, flavored small tatianas, cuban rejects, a random romeo and juliet, and Backwoods honey berry. Out of those Im starting to not even try any other cigars. Factory smokes and Camachos are also good (Light/Connecticut's only for me too.)
Greetings from greece thank you for the great videos there are so helpfull!!!!
Another one I heard was that you had to remove the cellophane from the cigar before putting in your humidor. Total bunk. Cellophane prevents the cigar from losing subtle flavors over long periods of aging. That comes from the Sahakians who started testing the idea decades ago.
I'm unsure if this is true, but someone told me the longer the ash hangs on without falling off, the better the cigar is.
Price point is huge, Factory smokes are great and $2. My favorite cheapo is a Maduro Cuban Reject $3 at my local shop.
Love these longer videos
When I first started I saw a bunch of things saying to start with Connecticut shade wrapper as it is a smoother and more mild cigar. I found that I dislike the flavor profile of the Connecticut for the most part, and it almost it almost drove me away from cigars altogether. I decided to try a Drew estates undercrown Maduro and found I really enjoyed that stick and continued with the hobby.
Yeah. I get the "mild" cigar thing, and it's cool for those that love it. I tried those at first as well. Ended up with a cheap Maduro and it was like: "Oh! This is amazing!"
At home, if no one sees it, I remove the banderole before I cut the cigar. I know there are people who would tar and feather me for it. But I just like holding a bare, original cigar between my fingers. Especially with Short Robustos, where the banderole is already reached after 2cm of embers. Of course, I know that something like this would never be possible in a public lounge...
Hey - my mate was the Aussie who did that pseudo-science experiment in the lab! That's Damo from the Aussie Cigar Professor debunking crazy ideas!
The reason my wife glares at me when I’m outside smoking a cigar, is because she’s probably working and can’t join me. I’m lucky to have someone who encourages my hobbies.
I was always told to start with Connecticuts and lighter shades of cigars. Smoked like 5 of them and didn't like them at all, almost thought cigars weren't for me. Then I smoked a Tabernacle and realized that I just needed something with a stronger and heartier taste.
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I’ve seen a lot of cigar makers inhale cigars. Saka, for example. Jones and Nodal.
The myth I want busted is that you should freeze your cigars at home in your kitchen refrigerator. My thoughts are that a residential style freezer found in most homes will not get cold enough and that condensation or humidification can present a real problem.
Nah you gotta rotate the canoe 😂😂😂
I like that Old Elk in the background....I picked a barrel and it's great with a cigar.
something I've heard about cigars that doesn't apply to me: what Tim said in the video about an uneven burn changing the flavor of the cigar. I've had since very uneven burns on some cigars, as we probably all have, and it has never changed the perceived flavors.
Cigars and pipe tobacco are very similarly honest with prices. The prices are not because of what you will pay, they are because of the price of production. If you have a 5 dollar cigar then it was easily procured tobacco and an easy process.
Enjoying my Cigar watching your informative sessions. 🎉🤝💨💨🥃
Considering uneven burns if you have a very thin pin and stick it in the side that's not burning so the air gets through that helps or let the cigar cool off and then touch it up on the unburned side only.
I had bad canoeing issues with my cigars a few years back from many makers and sizes. Switched from 69% Boveda down to the 65% Boveda packs and completely solved all my burn issues. Probably year 4 or 5 now using the 65% and could not be happier. Took me years to figure out how to store my cigars properly at least for my climate i suppose.
Start of with mild cigars and work your way up to full flavor. I ended up smoking too many cigars I didn't like trying to find where I needed to be I only like full flavor cigars sometimes I'll smoke a medium to full
I’ve heard that new smokers should always start out on a light Connecticut wrap cigars. So so wrong. There’s nothing wrong with starting someone on a Maduro and similar cigar.
With the wife hating cigars comment. I smoke ciggettes as well as cigars. I will not smoke inside my house. However the other night my wife actually asked me to smoke a cigar in the house. She said she loves the smell of cigars. That particular night, I was smoking a Rocky Patel 1992 vintage.
Just here to say that the statement "storing wine upright will dry out corks" is a total myth.......and would belong in a "Wine Daily" video of similar subject:) Simple physics tells us that the humidity inside the bottle is 100%. Regardless if the liquid is touching the cork. The entire bottle of wine would need to evaporate before a cork could possibly dry out. On the other hand, wine cellar humidity does matter and an arid environment can dry out a cork.....but from the outside.
Good video guys. I enjoyed it.
Never heard the "turn the bad burn side up" myth, but... I have wondered about it when I've seen it.
Turning the cigar to stop one side from burning faster does work if it's windy. In a lounge it's not going to do anything though. I've saved myself from having to touch up cigars by doing this many times.
It's my dads 60th BD today and I'm honoring him with a "My Father Le Bijou 1922" stick.
For me, it was that arturo fuente and padron were superior. That is major misinformation to me personally. 70%-70% where i live is way too high. Thick wrapper cigars won't burn at 70%-70%. 65% humidity is about right for me. Cubans are king. I've had good ones and bad ones. Boutique brands are inconsistent. Some are inconsistent, and some make the best cigars available.
I have to come to the table and say thay if you have an uneven burn having it up does work. I do it all the time. It definitely helps. Maybe the wind blows differently in the USA but all i can say is it does work in a pinch.
I have smoked cigars for a long time and once in a while I try a inhale and I ask myself why the hell did you do that
I would never buy those expensive junk bunkass torches that last 2 months. Just buy a soldering torch.
😂🤣 I can't help but continue to turn the cigar as it canoes. I know it does nothing but my brain is like "maybe this time"
I had always heard that Cuban cigars were the best. So I bought some cheap Cuban cigars when I was in Canada.
I was unimpressed.
I got one you can't enjoy a cigar in 30 degree or lower temp I basically smoke in cold Temps and still enjoy yes its better to smoke in the summer time but not everyone lives in enjoyable weather
Smoking in cold weather gives me hiccups frequently, but other than that . . .
The 70/70 rule comment in this video, reminded me that I had a nightmare recently. In my dream I had changed my Boveda to 65% packs, and when I went to grab a cigar they were all split in half from dryness.
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Love this episode.
I’ve never heard the myth about the fix for an uneven burn. I’m OCD I touch up the cigar with a torch until it finally decides to burn evenly.
Seems like a lot of waste if you keep torching. No?
I occasionally inhale a puff, generally on more mild cigars, former 2 pack a dayer who dabbled in jazz cabbage. Small puffs can be a nice little headrush
One thing that I was told is to never light a cigar with a zippo lighter, not true. Never affected the taste in the slightest
Si, great content as always!
As for the Cuban cigar “misinformation”, NC can be good, but the taste is quite different. Which is better, depends on the individual.
However, until Cubans last year went nuts on price, NC sat on shelves while Cubans sold. Seen it for 25 years here in Japan, and it’s a fact all outside of the US.
Relaxation is why my wife and I smoke cigars we (I) started a year ago and now that’s how we end our night
I was told cheap cigars were not good at all. Yet I have been smoking some odyssey coffee tobusto under $3.00 and it’s been in MY top 5 cigar favorites
At the beginning of my campaign into the cigar smoking industry, “I shouldn’t use zippos lighters to gradually and carefully lit the foot of the cigar. That the fluid would transmit bad tasting gases or fumes into the stick. Not true, yes I will always use żippos to lights my stogies!
I smoked some devils lettuce in an Olova Connecticut wrapper in a pinch once.. I gotta say, it was nice lol
I used the binder and wrapper
I love a Chillin Moose Too and its cheap and so good. Only been smoking for 6 months. Have tried high end Davidoffs but really enjoy my CM
Here’s one I got from Tim the Swanson himself - rotate the cigar in your mouth while lighting it… it’s just silly. Instead, I just move the torch in circles 😂 much easier and intuitive.
I was told if you have a canoeing cigar you should put the slower burning in down when smoking because of the way oxygen is pulled into the cigar it helps the bottom heat up more and catch up. I have done it in the past and it worked but sometimes the canoeing is so bad nothing but a flame will fix it.
Agreed. Slow side down AND at 45 degrees to the ground will fix canoeing if you catch it early enough and it was lit right. Slow side up will not. We need a proper myth buster experiment. Small canoeing vs large canoeing at different angles, up vs down and see if it can be corrected. I do this all the time and never need to touch up. It does slow you down though. I challenge the CD crew to experiment and I challenge this as misinformation.
That’s exactly what was said in the video, congrats
@@Sp3ci4l the opposite was said in the video.
I inhaled for years even though I was told I didn't need to or wasn't supposed to. It was a habit from cigarettes. I no longer smoke cigarettes and I no longer inhale cigars.
I haven’t read all the comments but the notion of putting the lesser burnt end of a cigar on top to even out the burn (which I agree doesn’t work), works well on a joint. Maybe that’s where the notion of it originated?
I suggest Nica Rustica broadleaf and the Adobe line, along with the Herrera Esteli. All smokes around the 8-10 dollar range.
The Obsidian White noise is a $4 stick and it's better than most $10 cigars I've had. It's one of my favorites right now, probably in my top 10.
Turning the unburned side up always works for me, so I don't understand. I turn it up and blow on the tip a few times and it catches up with the rest. .shrugs
My wife doesn't smoke cigars but we will sit outside watching the sunset listening to jazz I have a cigar she has a joint and we both have ice tea..life is good in montana
There is SOME truth to the "relighting the cigar changes the flavor" argument. When a cigar goes out, the tobacco that was burning is charred and covered in soot. Relighting charred tobacco doesn't taste particularly great. But its like burning food. You're only going to notice the change in taste when you eat the burnt parts. It does NOT affect the entire cigar and if it bothers you, you can just cut that part off and start it again with some fresh leaf.
I agree with everything except lighting a cigar with a Bick. I have experimented with that only once and that’s because it significantly changes the flavor as in you can taste the gas. Same thing with a Zippo. Granted I use a Zippo but it has a butane insert.
how do you taste the gas from a bic, but not from a torch?
A bic won’t impart any flavor. A zippo definitely will