Sovereignty and NO Migration! The ECR's Plan for Europe
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- EU Elections 2024: Isthe ECR worthy of your vote on the 6-9th of June? We will look at their vision for defense, migration, climate change & energy, economy, social and EU Reform. The European Conservatives and Reformists is a political group in the EU parliament that include national parties like Italy’s Brothers of Italy, Spain’s Vox and the Polish Law and Justice Party. Key leaders in the party are Giorgia Meloni, Nicola Procaccini and Ryszard Legutko. This video is part of a series where we will feature the EPP, the S&D, The Left, Reform Europe, Greens/EFA, ECR, and I&D. Stay tuned to understand the diverse political landscape of the EU!
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It's kind of sad how no progressive party wants to curb migration seriously.
Most Europeans are fairly centre left or centre right generally speaking, and migration is the hot topic at the moment.
Most Europeans are also in favor of a more united europe, and most Europeans are also in favor of more regulated or limited migration (if the polls are correct), and yet... there's no party that Both wants a more united Europe AND less external-migration. Kind of strange.
By design. Like sheep we are steered away from left policies by force.
As a right-winger I cant say I like this kind of politics. Also, it made me consider voting with the craziest guys on the ballot.
@@balsdsa Right wingers in the US would be considered lunatic terrorists in Europe. Europe right mostly just wants reduced migration. They don't want everyone to be cowboys with guns, outlaw abortion, underfund education/higher education, abandon NATO, or reinstate the death penalty. Americans only know the one line political scale because they're not bright enough to understand there is more than one axis to represent politics.
I know :(
I want a party that considers EU federalisation but cut down on immigration and promote integration to foreign ethnic groups who migrate here
I would say this is actually true to Renew-Liberals. They want more integration, but are not uncritical of migration. Socialists and Greens are pushing migration, Liberals not that much. Liberals aim for more security+defense, economical growth, nuclear energy and they are softly anti immigration. They are not hard anti like Direct Democracy and Freedom, but definitely more than Socialists and Greens.
Renew is stricter on migration than leftist parties but wants a stronger EU
this was actually extremely informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
i will vote for this group as well. Identity group is more pro-Russian.
@@arisplugis5197 exactly. This video really helped me feel comfortable with my voting choice.
As someone who lives in America but is obsessed with European Politics I can’t wait to live in the Netherlands and really love your videos you’re my favorite European politics channel keep up the great work!!
happy to hear :) Thank you!
Please stay in your own country. Ours is full enough.
@@sandererades5704 well I’m not a migrant I got money
@@JMANE187 A migrant by definition is someone who moved from their usual place of residence to another. It has nothing to do with a money. I get that you want to distance yourself from other types of migrants, because you are of a different background, but when you move from America to the Netherlands, you will nonetheless be a migrant.
@@luyangche8278 well I appreciate the education on that particular issue. I’m still going to immigrate over when I have the chance I’m certainly won’t be a drain on government resources.
ECR actually looks very sensible. I would vote for them if I were a EU citizen
I just voted them.
@@adrianrodgon3485Me too. This is just common sence, like this is reasonable for everyone and everything exept the migrant, terror and organised crime lovers
Cannot wait how this would play around in 5 years lol. Looks like a typical populist politican. I bet, Italy would not gain any significant GDP growth
@@adrianrodgon3485 based
Great and informative video once again. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@EUMadeSimpledon't you agree is that who stand with NO migration plan should support Palestine?:)
3:50 ofc italians would propose to look at fighters of Land, Sea and Air
DUX 😍
Un'ora segnata dal destino batte nel cielo della nostra Patria, l'ora delle decisioni irrevocabili.
Finally a conservative leader!
Finally a clown😢
@@roalex6535 Says the 🎪
@@roalex6535 get back to the circus liberal
Georgia Meloni 🇮🇹 the only one with a brain in the EU 🇮🇹❤️💪 Love her . Say NO to Sharia law in EU . Is loving your culture , language and the want to persevere it , right wing ???!!🙄🙄 it's NOT
That’s not a good thing
why reconquete isn't mentionned? This is the france party who is with ECR. he have a chance to get seat and he his really controversial in France
Good and not too late. I wish these videos were available to non you tubers as well. Thank you.
These video's are the best in trying to understand the differences of the political parties. A thousands thanks from the Netherlands!
Last time I checked, "Reconquête" from France is also a member of ECR but is not listed at 0:42 🙂
“The only way to be rebels is to be conservatives” the fact that people haven’t realised this for 60 years is wild to me
Rebels are left wing, conservatives is the status quo
@@StrikeBolteafc we don’t live in 1960 anymore. The status quo is leftwing. Rebellion against it is rightwing
@@StrikeBolteafc The conservatives are actually challenging the status quo that is mostly dominated by left-wing policies, so they are in fact rebel in some sense.
@@StrikeBolteafc
Today's status quo is open borders, cancel culture, wokeness, high taxes, big government, mass migration... How is that a conservative thing?!
Does "Make America great AGAIN" sounds like preserving the status quo or returning to a different state?
You live in the past. Rebels WERE left wing. Today they are classical liberals and they agree with conservatives on many issues. Conservatives want the old status quo, not the new status quo.
In the past, classical libs wanted to separate church from state, voting rights for women and gays, freedom of speech. They rebelled and they won. Conservatives gave up and gave them what they wanted. There was stability and prosperity in America and Europe in the 80's, 90's and even in early 2000's Europe. Countries like France, Sweden, Germany, Canada, were a shiny example for everyone.
But they pushed further to the left: it started with radical feminism and taking millions of immigrants.
In the present, the new left (neo liberals and progressives) supports cancel culture, wokeness, high taxes, big gov, mass migration, etc...
They destroyed the successful, prosperous establishment and created a new status quo, resulting in high cost of living, high crime, divided nation, destruction of traditional values and individual freedoms. So conservatives want the old status quo.
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Great video with very helpful information. Thanks and keep it up!
Will definitely vote for them.
In bocca al lupo.
It was very heartwarming to hear about help for Belarus, but hearing the rest of their program makes me doubt that they are worth to vote them. Without treaty reform that includes QMV, common EU army and international policy its unlikely EU can help us much.
ECR fights for efficient EU, what more could you wish for? I think the best way to create EU army is to first integrate the national armies, use the same gear and buy things together so its cheaper, faster change is unrealistic. And QMV sounds great, but basically means that 5 countries decide everything, more rational approach is supermajority where you need both 85% of countries and 85% of population. This would be something that ECR might consider, because it would fix the Orban problem without giving up too much sovereignty.
@@janchi_stephanchiAnd how are they going to achieve a european army? By being pro veto and anti further European unification?
They contradict themselves because the moment they try to implement anything Hungary or some other nation is going to veto it. European union cannot keep up while veto is being abused for political gain.
They seem to have many policies that conflict with each other, like they want more EU and don't want more EU, and too many things are left a bit vague, which doesn't encourage me to want to vote for them.
As for Belarus, I wonder what the views are from the people of Belarus, we all know what the government thinks, but as we know, there are two sides to every story, the government and the people, if there is enough support among the people to want real change, then I can see merit in supporting that, but it won't be easy with the current government and because of Putin, which the last thing he will want is to lose Belarus, which for Putin, he sees them as a satellite state, basically, a country that does as it's told and does Putin's bidding, so unless there's a major uprising from the people, I don't see much changing.
@paul1979uk2000 since 2020 protests suppresion over 5% of Belarusian population live now on in Poland. I think that may be strong indicator of what Belarusians want.
European army is a way France and Germany can reduce American influence in Europe. It's not good for every other country in Europe. We need strong US presence in Europe
Too many things I don't agree with, too much "we'll figure it out later", no actual vision for the future of the EU...
I want Europe to keep moving forward and don't like my taxes going to politicians who basically rest on the lorals of existing work.
We should abolish income tax or at least lower the amounts and thresholds. At least in some states, just like Nevada or Florida.
EVERYTHING i agree with: NO WOKERY, no migrants, less red-tape, pro medium/small business, no to China, pro family, pro national tradition, pro national identity, pro defence, less woke EU, no green manipulative agenda, etc. it all sounds good to me, they got my vote that’s for sure.
Well, they call themselves conservatives for a reason 🤷
@@HolyRainbowism Vote.
@@HolyRainbowism
1. "Wokism". Can't really undo the damage, all that can be done was stop mentioning it and presenting it as the modern option. Everything has a saturation point.
2. Well, illegal migrants you mean. Can't really have anything cheap without cheap labour and, well, skilled immigrants do make good workers much needed in countries with falling birth rates. Plus you need them as taxpayers.
3. Agreed, abolish useless bureaucracy but keep it in some sectors, for instance, good quality. We definitely have better food here almost anywhere thanks to European bureaucrats.
4. I wholeheartedly agree here. People shouldn't dream solely of good pay and mediocre jobs, they should be freelancers and entrepreneurs in tech and other sectors. We can definitely learn from the US on that one.
5. No to China.... Pretty complicated as we don't really share the same vision as the allies over the pond, but I definitely agree that ROC is the only China. PRC is definitely a cheap copy of China. Can't deny that we'll shoot ourselves in the leg if we stop doing trade with them, although here I would propose automation of European manufacturing so we can be competitive.
6. Mate, anyone shall be able to choose if they want a family or stay single. Do you mean something related to abortion here or what?
7. A bit vague, what do you mean by national tradition?
8. Again, please detail.
9. Pro defence: wholeheartedly agree again. 4% of GDP minimum. Cut welfare spending and let people have more sources of income and pay less tax. Also, privatise healthcare but still spend some money (subsidise few health services - ER and insuline caps for example).
10. Green manipulation. I am going to be honest, everything that is presented by the press and politicians seems very vague and mumbo jumbo on this one, although we can't deny that fossil fuels will run out at some point. I'll propose extraction of the same resources on other planets because, well, life does need carbon dioxide to exist. Sometimes even no pollution is bad. There has to be a balance. Although I would still allow fossil fuel cars on the road but require aeroplanes to run on more sustainable fuels, they pollute way more. Also impose some actual pollution controls on the big businesses that actually do pollute.
Anything else that you missed and think shall be addressed by MEPs more?
Excellent video and excellent series. Tough choice for the elections, but I hope the result will be good for the EU and its citizens.
I only agree with them on migration, but I'd vote for them on that because it's an important issue for me 🇪🇺
Why do you agree with them on migration?
@@dererik9070seems clear.....
Same I feel like economics of the EPP are okey but migration. Everyone should be safe walking on the streets at night
@@ztinger5132
Crime is caused by poverty, economics should be the nr1 issue when you wanna feel safe at night
having an anime profile pic and being anti migration is crazy lol
This coalition called ECR in Europe is the best choice objectively and emotionally and also understandably the most popular.
Great video as always, small correction: In Sweden the new party Folklistan got 0.6 % and did not get close to getting any seats.
0:50
The main Romanian political party in ECR isn't the PNTCD, but AUR. PNTCD just so happens to have a seat in the European Parliament because of an alliance they made with the Social-Democrat party in 2019, but it the party itself is very small.
It was an honor helping out with the vid and doing some of the reserch for you. Also Light sends his regards. : )
Thank you for helping ! Your input was awesome
I dont know about other countries. but in Spain is disaster. We have here cities in which not exist even 1 europenean person, full of non europeneans, No matter you rasist or communist or nomal person, you cant not notecide that all your family and your people just disapearing, if we will not took any action, in next 100 year last europeneans will probably die. I not like VOX partyin Spain but it is only one party which trying to save and preserve Spain for future generations of europeneans, for that reaon i could vote only for them. Despite i not like their policity in a lot areas.
what’s their attitude for legal immigration?
However, unless I am mistaken, there is a french party belonging to the ECR, which is Reconquête ! (The exclamation mark being not mine obviously ^^)
Yes 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
The ambient music was very relaxing
They will get my vote in Germany, but I hope that Dominik Tarczyński will be the leader of the party in the future! 🙌🏻
More europe, more defence, more digitalization, fewer regulations, less taxes, less careless spending, and less unqualified migration. It's that easy to make Europe a place worth living in.
ECR the only group of parties I could ever vote for, defended but without unrealistic closures towards the outside world.
Pragmatism and concreteness in every relationship which must be based on the needs of European countries balanced by the needs of external partners but without downward compromises.
The ideological follies of the left and its crazy legislation must end, let's abolish its sick social policies.
Our rules must form a common basis so as not to sell out our democratic freedoms abroad.
Defense of borders and identities while respecting our traditions and cultures.
Haven't seen a truer statement today 💯
Yes I will vote for this party in my country of Sweden
I would vote for them but I do not like the party that aligns with them from my country (Romania)
@@bonifacio8003 AUR? 😂
@@Eli7PM Da. Aș susține un partid conservator afiliat ECR dacă ar fi unul bun, dar nu pot vota cu măscăriciul de Simion.
"WE WILL DO ALOT OF THINGS!" "Wow, how?" "YES!" Grande Giorgia, come sempre affidabilissima. Rimaniamo fermi senza fare niente di concreto rispetto a prima. Ottima strategia per il futuro.
That's what conservatives generally stand for. No progress, protect the status quo, expecially privileges.
Ma da chi siamo sotto attacco? Cosa c'è di ribelle nell'essere conservatore? Io non capisco come possa aver senso questo discorso per chicchessia...
Ma taci che in meno di 2 anni di governo ha fatto salire occupazione e PIL come non mai.
La cosa importante è avere un nemico, se poi questo sia immaginario o reale non importa
Good! ECR for the win!
I don’t like their defence proposals or stance on the eu but they have a very good and logical stance on migration. I think a bit of a more rigid stance on social issues is good too for right now because some Europeans are trying to imitate radical left American politics and it’s making us a bit nutty here😅.
What the fuck does Woke even mean at this point.
Well to rational people it means morally dubious characters using the inclusion of minorities to deflect criticism, like many companies and politicians do.
To actual racists it means anything that they don't like.
Who cares.
No one knows for sure. It's something right parties use to scare people in order to to get more votes.
Feminism and male discrimination, promoting LGBT+ and heterosexuals discrimination, discrimination of white people, antinatalism and so on
It means preachy leftism on social issues.
Well... i didn't thought i would say that. But now I think they got some point.
I strongly dissagree with their stance on EU reform and few other things, but now I can see I could discuss with them.
Very interesting video! I'm eager now to see the one on I&D, I am somewhat curious on understanding their differences.
Coming soon!
ECR is pro NATO and ID more russian leaning
Hello! Will you make a video about European Council?
R! In france is with the ECR groupe
Thanks for the vídeo, I was waiting for it because it's the party I want to vote for! ❤️🇪🇺
Why vote for a party that does not want to stop the immigration of people with less good phenotype?
They make some good points but I disagree with them on the military issues
Outstanding channel with very comprehensive videos. New subscriber now, from the US. Thank you!
The thing about migration is that we aren't really in the position where we don't need migrants. It's not like we have enough children to actually keep us afloat.
The EU political system is more like an oligarchy than a democracy. In the USA, if someone wants to become president, he or she must travel around the states and meet people. The EU's rulers we don't know who chooses and why it's always someone from German. No one from Europe has ever seen him personally in own country and talke . In a real federation, all states have a similar share in power, not just the two richest ones. The current system of power in the EU will only rot when these people gets more power after many decisions made by these people, it is clear that these people have no contact with reality and the normal world
Great Video now I know what Party to vote for, Thanks for the help!
It is better to be Far Right, than far wrong.
Live in Brazil. South America has its own problems, but happy to see how part of the Europe is recreating an environment for rescue and preservation our western values and identity.
Thank you for this video. Of all the European groups, I now know that my vision is the closest to ECR. I would like to have a politician like Meloni in France. I'm a bit jealous of the Italians for that. Unfortunately for my country, Le Pen seems to be pro-Putin.
Joyful news from Gergia Meloni I love you save Italy and Europe greetings from Split Croatia
She is not very bright tbh
Save Italy from fascists like Meloni!
The anti-green and anti-woke stuff really isn't my jam (as a LGBT person who cares about the climate). But I can not deny that there is a segment of the population that is feeling very underrepresented and that it is important for the stability of democracy to have everybody get their time to push for what's important to them. I think the rich and powerful are trying to play people off each other. Like many people who would identify as anti-woke, I also hate the "representation" we get from big super rich companies. I want actually good representation that is casually integrated into stories that have passion behind them, not weird moral lectures shoved into otherwise D tier writing.
I do have anxiety around the current right wing movement because I look at Hungary and Poland (when the PiS were in power) doing democracy undermining things, and I worry about that becoming a broader scale thing within the EU. However it's a tough one, because I also get the sense that the reason we are seeing such extremes is because the people pushing rightwards are really fed up and feel very underrepresented. And I think we may have done a disservice to them to have had their irateness build up this much. But also, like, I really hope that people don't actually want to go rightwards so much that they'd accept democratic weakening. That's just not ok in my book, as much as I am for representation.
im right wing person and i have to admit your comment is 100% correct
This is basically everything I would have to say on the topic. I also have the same perspective
Poland isn't doing any democratic undermining since last elections lmao. PiS took a massive L.
@@JaegerDreadful Oh, yes. Apologies. I am aware of that. I'll clarify that in my comment. My point was that while that right leaning party was in power they did make an effort to weaken democracy. Therefore I am nervous about other right leaning parties in the current rightward movement.
Yes we are really fed up and we each time care less about you or other minorities being "anxious" about anything 🥰
They need to think as a EU, we need to understand each other locations and need as a EU together. we need the leaders to understand for example Netherland have no one oppressing him around while in southeast europe like italy and Greece have sea borders with oppressor's like turkey and Africa continent that push all that immigrants to the sea. i mean don't forget how much money from the taxpayers from the whole EU get turkey in order to not throw more immigrants to the sea. fake dilemma
This one is a mixed bag of good and bad proposals, i find some of their proposals very vague and not fully explained.
So i would not say i'm against their good ones, but it does not give me confidence to vote for them..
These politicians need to be careful how to deal with immigration policies or it will backfire on their country and Europe as a whole..
Immigration is absolutely essential to keep the population numbers stable.
But do deep checks on who you allow in or not.
Good on you for spotting that. Every politician who runs on populism alone is being vague on purpose. Shouting about a problem is easy and helps them. As soon as you mention a solution however, that's when they get judged. I have a feeling that ID is going to be way worse than ECR.
We need to increase the birth rate not import aliens to replace the local population
Guy population numbers stable? What about completely destroying your country forever? Sorry guy most Europeans don't want to live in the migrant's country but on their own. All of that to pay some pensions? No thanks.
Low birthrates is a scarecrow everyone sticked to without having clear reasons.
We cry about low birthrates and, in the same time, why cry about insane rent prices and the impossibility to build yourself a house (while low birthrates can resolve that problem).
The only real argument is that it will be hard to pay so many pensions when a big percentage is 60+. But people inevitably die one day or another and after it will be better. And even this is discussable if you ask me, because we are closer than ever to a society in which the man is not forced to work thanks to AI(and then pensions won't be a burden anymore).
@@secretname4190 That's because low/high birthrates have a visible result on house-pricing only in the future, it's not something with instant causes.
It's the lack of land that is a problem and increase the prices, not the lack of manforce and materials.
Hello EU made simple,
are you planning on releasing a video on the advantages and disadvantages of voting for unaffiliated small parties instead of large ones?
It's a great idea 💡 if I have the time I will
They had me till they mentioned quantum computing. It is similar to nuclear fusion reactors. Always 10 years away and may never be possible.
This is way better explanation, than calling everyone far right, as DW does.
ECR sounds like a COMMON-SENSE. Love from Canada 🇨🇦
Sad there is no party to vote for ECR in Austria. Is RE or ID more similar?
why dont you vote for ovp-->epp
Note for 0:55 ,in romania, AUR is part of ECR.
I'm definetly going to vote for a member-party of ECR. 😊💙🇪🇺
I hope ECR will get bigger than ID. Would be great.
@@ldubt4494 It would be absolutly amazing!
Why vote for a party that does not want to stop the immigration of people with less good phenotype?
Also going to vote for ECR ( JA21 to be specific )
Meloni calm down love
ABOUT FKN TIME! 0 IMMIGRATION
This video aged well...
SDS led by Jansa may left EPP after EU elections, and then join to ECR.
👍👍👍
ECR is base
ECR 💪💪💪🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁
Why vote for a party that does not want to stop the immigration of people with less good phenotype?
You forgot 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I can't decide between ECR, Renew and ID
I support pro-EU politics (increase military spending and integration) but also am against immigration from 3rd world or muslim countries and want to preserve European demographics
ECR and Renew both have things I like. But this channel won't hide its opinion about the VETO vote. We fear that the VETO will hold Europe back.. As it already is today.
Same, i suggest you to vote forECR since ID is all pro putin allies and it would be disasterous to have them in power, ECR is just like them on illegal immigration but also support our interests and not Putin’s interests. Renew is also a good option, I’m indecise between them and ECR
I'd argue against voting ID, their euroscepticism is quite unbecoming... also where I live they are embarassing... I am italian btw...
Why vote for a party that does not want to stop the immigration of people with less good phenotype?
@@juimymary9951 in poland its also embarassing and full of people with foil hats
I will definitely vote for ECR, but the videos of ID and the Greens?
Coming
The Swedish "party" Folklistan is not a serious party, it just started and has hardly any traction nor a platform. It is just a couple of people who was ousted from other more serious parties.
You sold me at "opposed to woke"
Least racist conservative :
What happens now. In Croatia I cannot vote for ECR or ID so I must vote for EPP and if they chose left coalition I will feel like EU is undemocratic.
Normally you have HSP+Most that are led by Božo Petrov who are part of ECR (they had 1 seat in the previous election).
Maybe get better political views
Yeah, we all know how nationalism played out last time. Greets from Germany
Should our defense depend completely on a foreign organisation such as NATO? ECR is clearly against it, a funny way to defend our nations!
Also, how do you want to make European institutions work better if veto right continues to exist? One single European government can literally block the entire Union and you agree with that? That means more bureaucracy, slower actions. Voting ECR means making sure Europe doesn't function.
For me system would be best if participation on project was ad hoc and everyone could join and leave besed on their political situation. That would bypass Hungary veto while it would keep national sovreignity.
I am not sure about that. A government can choose whether they adopt the euro or not but there are some decisions that should be taken by majority and accepted by all, like in any other government.
If 26 countries decide that we are accepting 40.000 migrants and that they will be dispatched in every country of the EU, one single country should not have the right to block it.
If 26 countries decide that they want to create a european army and finance it, one country's government shouldn't be an excuse to make it impossible.
If we really want to make our voice heard against China or the US we need to think bigger, not smaller. And we need to start thinking collectively.
@@Eloitxo1 and that is why these decisions are not to be made ever. I do not wanna be forced to accept any unwanted migrant and my country is adamant about that and almost unanimous. We do not want to také responsibility for shitty Seedish or German politics. We do not want to have muslims in our country. Religion does not belong to modern society. Religion is personal thing and it should never again be law.
Same asi military project. You wanna participate. Good. You dont wanna. Nobody should force you.
Say I have some affinity for the ECR, but I am French where as far as I know we don't have any ECR member. How would I make my vote count? So it's all a bit muddy, and it seems all a bit flawed
RECONQUETE from Eric Zemmour is in ECR
@@ijayef5410 ok he is too extremist for me! I think an Ursula/Giorgia alliance is reasonable, but maybe not much beyond this!
@@paralleldimensions_E Then how about Les Republicains? They are in Ursula's EPP.
I just read the ECPM manifesto (yes literally the whole thing) and I actually prefer it to everything that’s mentioned in this video. Maybe similar points are being made but the emphasis seems more positive, as there is a big focus on human dignity and rights, freedom, and in general initiatives to promote a healthy society and harmonious living with each other and nature… A lot of these politicians only focus on problems. And that’s how we’ve reached our current state in the first place, whereby nobody remembers European values anymore or what Europe is supposed to stand for.
Who grant the Euro? All national currency are granted by gold reserve. Furthermore, on Euro note there is the "C" of copyright
Are you planning on doing it for ID, Greens/EFA and EPP?
Huh, you've included Folklistan in Sweden!
Yes!
hell no
Really you say No. You didn’t watch the video or are just really dumb.
When we joined the EU, we agreed it was meant to be an union, not a federation. Everyday it is closer to a federation, so it either returns to it what was agreed to be or it should be entirely disassembled.
The low birthrate is a scarecrow that everyone clings to without a clear reason.
Low birthrate is the most natural long-term solution towards the overpopulation that most cities deal with. It's impossible for young people to buy a house anymore and rents are slowly becoming unliveable from a price point of view.
The only real disadvantage of low birthrates is the eventuality that, in a distant future, there will be more 60+'s than young people and pensions will be hard to pay. But that's a short-time problem because people inevitably die and then we are fewer with more land. And even this issue is discussable in my opinion, because we are closer than ever to a society in which men are not obliged to work anymore thanks to A.I. (resulting in pensions not being a burden).
So why are you exactly scared of low-birthrates? In which universe would you ever preffer to have uncontrolable population growth resulting in cheap, depressive gray blocks with 10sqm apartaments?
Go visit some crowded indian cities to see the horror of overpopulation. The beautiful old houses, palaces and medieval castles of Europe that we are proud of were made when we were not even 20% of the population numbers we are today.
I agree. I am childfree, there are too many people in the world. They are scaring people with low birthrates, immigration, etc, just to make them vote far right parties. Since most people are stupid, its working.
Meloni...stand firmly against EU and Mac Rat 🐀🐁🐀
How is the govermental structure in any way related to europes tradition ? Most of the Eu government east of Austria has only in its current form since around 1989 . SO it wasn't interfering with tradition then but now , nothing can change in the organisation of the government, it is sacred. Pray to the almighty never-changing government .
This is clearly ending one of two ways , either we federalise or the EU breaks up and every part goes into it's natural influence zone , and we'll kill each other in proxy wars on the continent for other stronger powers . The westerners find it har to believe because in their head they still are the great colonial powers from the 19th century . This EU where one state can stop everything is just the Polish Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and just go read how that ended. The middle east used to be the Ottoman Empire, guess what they're doing today? why, proxi wars for foreign powers, that's our future.
Europe will do completely fine as a Confederation of many independent states rather than a Federation. No one is ready for a federation in near 50 years
This is where reality will eventually kick in, we in Europe have very few limited choices, we can further integrate and pool resources together, which will allow us to protect our political, economic and social interest around the world, especially in a changing world with the US and China, which quite frankly, are going to ignore the EU countries at an individual level because they are too small and there voice doesn't carry much weight, but at an EU level, well that depends on how much of a say we give the EU, and the EU voice carries far more weight because of the pooled resources of all its members.
Like you said, there's only two ways I see it going, either we further integrate or we disband, if we disband, then we more or less become irrelevant in the world, if we integrate, then our voice will carry a lot more weight than it does even now.
The real question is, there are many different ways to integrate, some better than others, and it's important that if we do, we do it the right way that's fair for its members and the people, but either way, many of the policies of this party are clashing with reality and intentionally left vague.
@@paul1979uk2000 I think the American model is the best. We all see it as it is now and not how it became what it became. The only radical part about it is the idea that once it goes further it can't go back, but at the same time, it doesn't go further without consequences or in one case civil war(the kinda bad outcome). And I say kinda bad because it did stay together and become a superpower because of it, so sure it sucked then but in the long run, not so much.
So for us, we have to agree to create a federal state and integrate what's useful, but be very loose with the rest . In fact, it probably is crucial to avoid as many culture war issues as possible if we move forward. But the military, international relations, and lots of stuff the EU already does or would benefit everyone is where the focus should be, I don't want the future to be compromised because some dumbasses don't like the gays. However again if you look at the polls eastern Europe isn't as conservative as things are and in the future things are very likely to change. The conservatism is more an outcome of demographic imbalance, and even there you have layers. To give you an idea we had a referendum in Romania about changing the constitution to make marriage strictly a man and a woman, the result not enough people voted for it to be relevant and count. So the social views don't reflect American conservatism or Western conservatorim. The trade and stuff is already EU and it's been a great benefit, balancing protectionism outside with free markets inside, and it might have to change. But the crucial part is it wouldn't have been better if we did this individually, just look at the Canada deal. We literally nickeled and dimmed Canada, because we came to the table as 500 million relatively rich people. Just the power of that makes a difference.
And with time as people feel more comfortable a European culture will be born and won't overtake the other culture, it will be the descendant of other cultures and it can only be built by the people that live then, we can't plan this shit even if we wanted. So the idea that the EU is gonna destroy European cultures is insane, because, cultures have never stayed the same, especially in Eastern Europe, the people most likely to cry about this, also it's insane how balkanic the Westerners are when they get pushed a bit. It seems like this face of civility we in the East see in the West is just wealth, and when the wealth goes, westerners start looking a lot like us when we had issues, and as we improve, the reverse is true too. So really the secret is I think the cultural conses is already there and after the jokes and cultural exchange, in the beginning, all Europeans will find integrating with each other a lot easier than they anticipated. In what most likely will be English, another ironic situation considering Brexit.
Ps: I am by no means conservative in any of the many senses modern or old of the word. I just think if are going to get 500 million on board with a big change like federalization it needs to be started with the idea of limiting conflict, and we need to be willing to let it develop even if goes away from what we wanted, that's future people's problems. If anything we now need to setup the myths and ideas that drive it, so the dumbasses that now would fight against federalization, can be the future European chauvinists repeating out ideas like it's religion, how the Americans do now. And as Europeans, we love shiting on Americans, it's very fun and entertaining but if we look at our histories, they had it more stable more prosperous and were better at integrating different populations, for our inherent smugness we fucked up a lot. they had a big fuckup at the beginning, another one with slavery and general racism. we had two of the most devastating wars in history, imperialism with each other and other people. We really are lucky the average American is dumb because they could have wiped all the smugness off our faces all this time. To add to our stupidity, the average European is way poorer than the average American, we can be proud of our healthcare all we want, but we have problems with it and we're starting to be noticeably poorer. Humana's topic and some of these questions can be unnecessarily triggering, but as long as we all agree we want to improve people's outcomes in life as a goes, I think things can be discussed and hashed out in good faith.
Ohh yeah, and we need a president, if anything for symbolic reasons.
I disagree. I don't think it is full federalization or bust. I think it is more likely that we see a spectrum of integration emerge. Some countries focusing on federalization, while some remain a little more distant but not leaving.
@@falsevacuum4667 cool but that's still federalization. And I'm not sure it's good for those countries that don't come in. Because the situation is you'll have to negotiate with a bigger entity that will always prioritise its needs and that you'll have no political power over. Switzerland is a free country that isn't part of the EU, but to pretend Switzerland is free to do what it wants is a bit idyllic. I'm sure the EU would react if Switzerland did something that would actively hurt its interest, So I'm afraid a Russian military alliance is off the table, and it would end in war at worst or embargo most likely.
So the options are part of the federation, not part but strongly influenced by the federation to the point where unless you have a good reason like Switzerland it's stupid, or a future proxy war location for other world powers looking to destabilise the EU. There is no foreseeable situation where an entity that represents a few hundred million people negotiates on equal footing with an entity that has at best a few tens of millions. Or where that entity can have the same political\economic power. And I don't understand why anyone would choose to be an informal colony rather than a part of the empire with decision-making and power advantages that come with it. (I'm using loaded language for effect, really it's not an empire and it's not colonial status, it's more of a there are limits type situation) And the same goes for the other world players, good luck negotiating on an equal footing with China when you bring a couple of million people to the table.
oh yeah and all this presuming the federation has the same character as the confederation, it can just go really nationalistic and just invade you. I again argue from a perspective of what works and gives European citizens more power, what they do with said power is up to people in the future, and I can set some guidelines/constitution, but if everyone actually wants warfare and empire that's what they'll get eventually regardless of the laws.
Britain found this out with the USA, and the difference there is not that big. The trade deal the UK thought the USA would give them was substantially different than what they were hoping. That's why none was signed or worked on. Because any trade deal they would offer would literally strip-mine the UK economy, from access to the medical market and reduction in welfare, it would literally smash their social structure and brain them to an irrelevant player on the world market And they're friends, but business is business, and no one is looking to do you favours in their detriment. The funny part is it's always been America first, and every country first. There literally is no other option. People just put on a facade for niceness and diplomacy, aka getting stuff done without war.
Best group of all, of course you don't like it lol. I assume some video on ID will come up as well?
Minister of Italy the 2 week
My beloved ECR
Why vote for a party that does not want to stop the immigration of people with less good phenotype?
What makes this party right? Why does it have such a bad ring to it to say something is right?
I thought it was illegal under international law for a country to refuse the return of it's citizens. Being able to enter a country is a fundamental part of what being a citizen means! Is this really a thing that happens?
Absolutely, as part of the group who should be sent back are those who got deported for committing crimes.
Their home nations simply do not want criminals.
You forgot "Reconquête" from France
Me, just twidling my thumbs; when will the Greens come. I want to understand them 😅
We have a party in France, with already 1 deputy : RECONQUÊTE.
i probably would support them if they were pro centralization and had some plans for future enlargement
0:44 The Republicans party does not exist from 2023
I really like the ECR's master plan, but really hate their representative in my country. Ah, what a shame.
We need to check on what politicians stand for before voting no more migrants in Europe
No you can't stop immigration.
Those 3rd world countries are under developed because of colonialism and constant neo colonial activities.
Climate change is another big cause of immigration which was largely caused by Europeans.
Since Brexit the eu has lost any global view and influence. It has become smaller, weaker and poorer. Continually looking inwards and looking at ways to consolidate its position and desparate to justify itself. Even its members are no longer enthusiastic.
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As a citizen of Ukraine and a Christian, I am grateful to the Europeans for their support. forward to a strong and free Europe, Together we stand!
Remember, Europeans - the European Union is not a Muslim Asylum Union.
If countries are keen to join the Muslim Asylum Union, they can, but this shall never ever be forced into EU itself.
wtf are you even talking about...
if NATO stop messing in middle east it will solve the problem.
Then only in English, it shows a little what channel has opinions about ECR.
Common sense policies to me!