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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- The San Francisco 49ers play the Seattle Seahawks tonight, and both teams need a bounce back win. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes discuss what a loss would mean for Brock Purdy, and what the Cincinnati Bengals need to do to save their season.
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@@FirstThingsFirst wtf you can't even mention the seahawks, get off Purdys balls
Lol...if SF upsets KC i will be right here to for his excuse 😂
Broussard do not call that man JLo again 😂😂
That caught me by surprise 😂
It’s what Aaron has called him for the past few years
We call Aaron Rodgers a rod so😂
@@rileylopez4037 bro I'm sorry that's just not a serious nickname for a man 😂
FACTS!!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Kyle has 18 blown double digit leads as the niners head coach. That’s 7 years. Doesn’t matter who the QB is.
He’s also blown 3 Super Bowl 2nd half double digit leads
Honestly the Niners would’ve won a chip last yr if it hadn’t been for 1 player, Chris Jones. He rarely gets talked about but his near sack of Purdy which forced him to throw the ball away is what sealed their fate. Jones always comes up with the biggest of plays.
@@akhi5749 he really is the chiefs mvp
Anddddd so what. Kyle shannahan with the 49ers is twenty times the coach Andy Reid was with the eagles. Please let San Fran fire Kyle so my team can win superbowls with him on his second head coaching stint
@@akhi5749 I said it last year that he was the one guy they had to block. SO what does the dumb RG do, let's him run right past, untouched. And Jones actually broke up a couple of TD chances that game.
So good to see Brou shut down Nick 😂😂😂 Wildes had to hold in his laugh. Priceless
Brou shutting nick down by insinuating that jimmy g was actually good and the source for shanahans success?
@@DmoneyS44 huh? Did you watch the video??
@@DmoneyS44jimmy g really wasn’t that bad with the niners. You’re a casual though, so you’d obviously not know that
@@austin_madore9417 right right and you agree with Brou that the second he moved out of the 49ers "his body betrayed him"? lol
@@fernandoleite6008 Actually his body broke down after the injury during the KC game where he tore up his knee. He was never the same after that.
Nick twisting himself into a pretzel trying to discredit Purdy's success 🤣
You guys blowing out the all pros light just to make Purdys shine brighter. Crazy how you can say that as well
@@joshchavez8614genuinely don't understand what you meant by this comment.
can you rephrase it plz lol
Always
What success?? Lol 😂😂. He’s been 5-5 his past 10 games
@@joshchavez8614 Nick brought up Purdy's interception.......he got nailed as he threw lol. Nick likes to make it seem like Purdy only has mids/lows.
Also in the last game Purdy was in a "we have 0 kicker situation" so you must score on every drive lol. Never mind the Avengers how about also missing a pretty important part of the game.
The chemistry on this show is unmatched.
Wildes’ flip flopping at the end was perfect 😂
Nick acts like he’s right about Purdy but nobody mentions he predicted Purdy would be benched halfway through last year. Brou should hold that as the standard and throw it in Nicks face every single time.
All Nick does is disregard everything good a player does and then sits and waits for them to play bad so he can jump on them. He’s doing it with Darnold now.
@@dillMANbabyYeah, you’re right. It’s not like we have several years of Darnold being somewhere between below average and terrible. There’s no reason Darnold won’t stay exactly where he is, obviously.
Never forget Nick was the one who called Nikola Jokic the worst MVP in history 🤡
@@dillMANbabythis is so true. He tried to do it with Brady but it never happened. He's doing it with Brock and darnold right now. He did it with jokic but had to admit defeat. He will never admit defeat with Brock unless he wins multiple mvp or super bowls
Im a Rams fan but I hate Nick more than the 9ers. So he should definitely throw it in his face every chance he gets.
wildes hit the nail on the head with shanahan. you can’t be called a genius and receive all this praise for your team’s success while also escaping blame for their massive failures, especially late in games. purdy’s success has a lot to do with shanahan but why does all the blame go to purdy when they struggle and not the guy who allegedly made him great?
Brou destroyed that debate 👏
So you really believe Jimmy G was why the 49ers had those good seasons??
Nah. The best thing he said about Purdy is that Purdy “is not the main problem.” That’s not an argument-winning claim in my view, but let’s all congratulate former MVP candidate Brock Purdy for not being the Niners’ biggest problem. Good for him.
@@Willtellthetruth C’mon man. J Burrow blows leads and throws INT’s n his team is 1-4 but it’s all good he’s still 2nd best Qb? Mahomes throws INT’s in every game and has like 170 passing yards + the #1 defense. But Purdy without his weapons has to play perfect and win every game otherwise he’s a fraud? Purdy is cool calm n collected. Reminds me a lot of Doug Flutie.
Brou is wrong 9x out of 10, including talking about Purdy. It’s like listening to nails on a chalkboard. He needs to stick to basketball. Truly
@@jmatthewsas nick said mavs in 5 that disqualifies him from any debate
Ngl this was a bad look for Nick, Brou really won every argument he had with Purdy. Really don’t know where Nick’s inability to evaluate Purdy fairly at any level comes from.
his entire stance on Purdy is “dude sucks” but he’s too scared to actually say it because he knows it’s not true, so he’s layering his criticisms to where they’re impossible to disprove, saw the same with Skip and Lebron.
He really hasn’t though they are 2-3, Purdy can’t win without the full set of avengers, and has prove to be a bus rider not driver. If he was an elite qb they should be 4-1 but he isn’t red zone efficiency has tanked without mccaffrey so he isn’t wrong. But I hope they pay 60 mil because then they can go back to the nick Mullen 49er era
@@joshchavez8614 oof, that’s simply not true, and your opinion is uneducated at best, sorry, bro.
@@joshchavez8614is this nicks burner?
Buh buh but what I I I I’m saying saying is…ok…this is what I’m saying… [moves goalposts and brings up same talking points while moving goalposts]
The last few days Nick has been hammering Brock Purdy for blowing a 10 point 4th quarter lead while also throwing an interception late in the game. But Joe Burrow does this exact same thing and he moves up to row 2 of Mahomes Mountain and is praised by Nick to the high heavens.
I kinda agree but you have to admit burrow had a much better game so he gets a little more of a pass
did you just compare Purdy to Joey B??? 🤡🤡🤡
Defense is almost dead last, give him a break
@@arlenchupp6243 he definitely did but the double standard is hilarious. Late in the game is what really matters the most.
@@nickpartynski6663No he he co.pated the game they had Sunday. He co.pared the stats. Not the Career or talent🙄 so we just put words in people's mouths now
The Jimmy G debate will always be funny 😂😂 need that weekly atleast
Not a QB wins guys. But brings up QB wins whenever it helps make his point.
Purdy had better stats against the Vikings than CJ Stroud. You don’t. Say anything about that? Vikings D is legit.
That’s wonderful. Did Purdy win?
CJ Stroud is a dawg. Brock Purdy is a cat
@@Willtellthetruth no. Neither did Stroud. I’m a stroud and Houston fan. What does that have to do with anything?
@@bjtforever Michael Jordan used to be called the ‘black cat’ so not much of an insult 😅
Anything that comes from Nick about Purdy or Caleb is a joke
I love the J-Lo nickname for Jordan Love 😂
It’s a J-Lo with actual talent 😂
@Annileeze what awards jordan won? 😂
@@stopyourbs-p8ohe a millionaire while BLK in america😂😂😂 he won in life fam. You 9-5ers crazy
I’m no fan of Mr Irrelevant but Brou cooked Nick as usual 😂
Love how Purdy plays well for majority of his games last year to move 1 spot. Plays 1 bad game and moves back like 3 spots
He never hit #1 spot last year, they just stopped doing the mountain after the first or 2nd playoff series, and purdy was always on bottom
It’s because Nick makes the lists lol. In reality leading your team to the Super Bowl should put you as one of the top 2 Qb’s the following season out of pure respect, in my opinion.
Nick will never put Brock above 10th. No matter what he does. He can play the whole season good and he won't be above 10 but if he has one bad game he's dropping tiers
@@claytongiampaolo7848 He meant move up 1 spot. Not moved to the #1 spot.
Nick embarrasses himself every time he talks about Purdy.
2 things for the 49ers to turn it around. Redzone TDs, have to finish in the endzone. Get off the field on 3rd down. They are 4-1 if they can do that.
I can't even lie I'm an Eagles fan I don't even like Purdy but dude is balling and Brou deep fried Nick Wrong this segment.
You can’t be playing well with a 2 an 3 record I’m a eagles fan to
@@martezlewisyou were saying that exact same thing for Jalen Hurts last year when his defense fell off a cliff, just like SF's has this year. And Hurts led the league in turnovers, unlike Purdy.
@@martezlewisBurrow is 1-4
I remember when the game of football used to be a team sport 👴 do your job on all sides of the ball they used to say 👴
it's hilarious that nick calls purdy's supporting cast "avengers" because the only guy who has been COMPLETELY CARRIED by "avengers" so to speak in his career is patrick mahomes, through andy reid, an offensive line that is dominant and gets to hold without flags particularly in key moments, the 2nd greatest TE of all-time, receivers that are the fastest in the league who are schemed WIDE open and have the highest YAC in the league, and most importantly, refs that bail him out in the most crucial times of the game. NO ONE in NFL history has received as much help as patrick mahomes. alex smith led the league in passer rating in 2017 before mahomes took over and won the division. chad henne has come in and won playoff games.
@@knowyourenemy50 he also doesn’t bring up Burrow having his own Avengers. We saw Burrow was like when Tee Higgins was out earlier in the season
Wildes is 100 percent right on this
I don't know why Nick is assuming that the Browns game is an easy W for the Bengals. Joe Burrow is 1-5 against the Browns in his career according to StatMuse....
They don’t have a QB.
You must've not watched Deshaun Watson lately
The Browns might be the worst team in the conference - they definitely have the worst quarterback in the entire NFL
@@DariusClarkWallaceUmmm Watson was the QB last year when they blew out Joe Burrow by 21 points
@@KlutchRecaps they had a competent QB with Baker Mayfield in those games lol
49ers are bottom 3 in seperation (receiver stat), lead the league in drops at a much higher rate than the chiefs last year (receiver stat), bottom 5 o-line, and have a dropped touchdown in 4 of their 5 games, 3 of which the lost by 6 or less. All of this and Brock Purdy is still statistically a top 5 qb. Brock Purdy has kept the Niners competitive this year while the team is dragging him down, as of right now.
Perfectly said
Don’t forget to add Kyle being Kyle as well. He’s also dragging the team down with these stupid decisions he be making mid-game 🤦🏽♂️
Cook young man
At what point does anyone point the finger at Shanahan for the 49ers’ disappointments? He has SO many apologists.
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How does it work? Where do you guys get the full game vids from?
Lmaoo
Nick wants to be right so bad instead of just admitting he was wrong and bring some objectivity to the Niners again.
Nick doesn’t wanna address Kyle’s career record when losing in the 4th and OT, he’s awful when play calling from behind
Hoang bi has been decidedly not cooking ladies and gentlemen. Just wait for the podcast at this point
When Nick talks about Purdy it just feels different. It’s actually bizarre how you could hate a 24 year old with one of the greatest underdog stories in sports
because Niners fans tried shoving down everyone’s throat that he’s Joe Montana and when people pushed back, they got called anti-White & anti-Christian. Don’t revise history about how y’all talked about Brock last year.
@@joshuahartman2555 who’s yall? I think 9er fans are idiots. The kid is a good quarterback. I don’t care about what names you were called.
@@joshuahartman2555 I never saw anybody call anybody anti-White or anti-Christian. Nick gets butthurt if he thinks people are rating a quarterback somewhat close to Mahomes, though. He's full Mahomo.
Ditto: Lamar
@@joshuahartman2555 maybe because joe montana and jerry rice THEMSELVES made those comparisons
Purdy has had less bad-subpar games than Patrick this year
@@MiguelJRiley he also has three times as many good wideouts as mahomes does
purdy a mid at BEST qb mahomes is proven purdy proves he’s not him without a star RB that can catch
But Patrick is 5-0.
@@arlenchupp6243This argument would be fine if his receivers didn’t create the least separation in the league.
@@coltonwaddell33 Your argument would work if the defense would know that those WR wouldn't create that expected separation. But they don't, so they have to allocate resources on all of them. With KC, you only have one guy you are meant to shut down (these days, at least) but defenses are still mesmerized by the offensive play calls. Not that I understand much american football ...
Nick picks apart Purdy who has more playoff wins then his prince, Dak and Lamar combined but Caleb Williams has one decent game and Nick has him in the Hof. Nick decided if he likes a player or not on day one and no amount of success or failure changes his opinion. Caleb was the 2nd best QB in the NFL last year while he was wearing a usc jersey
As a Niners fan, tonight’s game is do or die for our season! ❤ 😅
Nick AKA Young Skip. Once he loves you, you can do no wrong. If he doesn’t like you, you can do no right. This isn’t objective sports analysis, this is entertainment.
Nooooo. Nick Wright is way better than Skip. He's wrong on Purdy, of course. But Skip Bayless is just a little troll.
@@hawkname1234he wrong about Trevor Lawerence and won’t amend his stance. He had Caleb on the mountain before he played a NFL snap and still doesn’t belong there. He favors LA vs Nuggets in the playoffs. Plus his Purdy bias when statistically he’s played well. Says Mahomes should be MVP this year with 6-6 TD/Int. And I think Mahomes is second all time already. And Nick is the king of stats. But when stats don’t back up his crazy arguments, he creates these crazy fictional scenarios.
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Straight Facts!
Its INSANE that Wildes & Brou act like the niners have accomplished anything with Purdy that they haven’t without him. Nicks point years ago was that you could throw any starter level qb there, and they would work. Hes been proven right and now they forget about the jimmy g success.
They have gotten to the same places, in very, very, very different ways. Purdy actually elevates the offense. Jimmy G managed it.
Shanahan literally never had a come from behind victory in SF before Purdy. He had 2 in the playoffs last year alone.
@@zackhurwitz9441 If your argument is that Purdy is better than Jimmy G we agree. The point is that wildes & brou act as if they were a middling playoff team before purdy and it isn’t true. While nicks theory years ago was proven right and gets swept under the rug. And i routinely get annoyed by different takes from nick, im not glazing him. Its just crazy to see his take be proven 100% and nobody cares bc the team is successful nonetheless.
@@captainyami4605brou and Wildes have acknowledged that the 9ers were contenders when Purdy had to step in. I've never personally heard them say they were "middling". However, Shanahan and Lynch only have jobs right now because of how Purdy has played, after striking out on Lance.
On top of that, Purdy hasn't, and doesn't play like a system QB, really the opposite. There really isn't an argument left to keep him out of the top 10 QBs right now.
@@captainyami46052017, 2018 and 2020 were all terrible years under Shanahan.
He has managed to get the most out of a couple of guys, but there's a long list of QBs that didn't work out.
He runs a good system and I can't think of someone who is actually available AND better to replace him, but he has shown himself to be very stubborn and/or unable to make adjustments in situations that have routinely bit him in the a**.
That to me is more the root cause of the Niners being unable to cash in on the recent teams they've had more than any individual QB.
@@zackhurwitz9441When they give purdy the credit in success, and shannahan the blame in failure, it is ignoring the success before hand. The example in this specific show was the redzone efficiency. When the scheme was tilted towards passing off of PA, purdy put up elite numbers. But now its more straight up passing and hes struggling to be anywhere near as efficient. Which is what the elite QBs have been playing with. Lets see how Purdy does after a full season of that treatment.
Why does nick never perform this weapons exercise with Joe Burrow?
Or Jalen Hurts?
This show has often referenced the concept of a “sophomore slump”, where young QBs, after getting confident from their first year, and as more footage of them comes out, struggle in their second year of play. Given that Purdy played less than half of a full season in his first year, this can basically be considered his sophomore year, and I would expect he’ll struggle a bit more than last year. Yet, will Nick give Purdy any amount of grace the same way he would any other promising young QB? Somehow I think not. This might be an infuriating year from Nick in regards to his Purdy takes.
5 coaches better then Shanahan?
John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton, Andy Reid. Easy peasy.
Sean Payton????
Sean Payton????
@@terryw6747 yea. 100%.
@@terryw6747 dude not only had a ring but coached the most prolific offense in NFL history in terms of yards and had his QB topic 5,000 yards so often that it stopped being impressive
SF lost 3 in a row last year and made the super bowl tranquilo
Different team/players n coaches. We are not even close to what we were last year.
@@jaredmuir4027 good to know I'm a Lions fan
J-Lo is now Jordan Love 😲 3:23
i kinda like it lmao
To explain why Purdy essentially looks the same this year compare to last but the 49ers haven't been. Is because Purdy was never that impactful of a QB. He's just a guy doing his job on this team but is not the force multipler as some people believe. This is why he wasn't getting the a lot of credit last year and is not much to blame this year.
I know those stats Brou brought up of Purdy made Nick upset 😂
Nicks hate for Purdy goes back way back to him being so wrong about him. Rmeber he said Purdy should be benched for Trey Lance.
Hoang bi is back boys. They’re posting faster now 😂😂
But how can I improve on my coloring or origami skills half-way through the video since he is back? 🤔
I love Chris but he is arguing against things Nick isn’t saying 😂
Purdy being the lead topic shows the amount of respect they have for him lol Fans should stop getting so triggered about the hate.
How many “average” qbs are heavily discussed throughout these shows? I appreciate Nick adding to Purdy’s legend.
He plays for the Niners that’s the reason not that Brock Purdy is a celebrity 😭
NICKS GOALPOSTING IS CRAZZZY 😂😂😂
Since Nick asked about five active head coaches with rings:
Doug Pederson
John Harbaugh
Mike McCarthy
Andy Reid
Sean McVay
You can throw Tomlin on that list as well
1 of those guys is about to be fired, and the other 2 haven't won it in more than a decade
I love Nick but I CANNOT agree with his takes on Purdy. And I'm a Chiefs fan, so I'm not particularly biased toward the kid lol
“Yeaaah.. that’s not exactly how that’s used.” - Wildes 😂
This was actually a really good discussion of the Niners. Completely legit.
“Guess what he need 6!!!!” (Makes the K wildes face) lmao what a Mike drop kw lol
Stafford catching strays from Brou is wild. The guy isn’t just missing his top 2 receivers, he’s missing most of his entire starting O-Line!!
Nick Wrong in full heel mode the last 3 years
Purdy has only been missing the best RB in the league, ya let's punish him for that. Purdy has been playing well, not awesome, not terrible, he's doing fine.
Brou destroyed Nick here and I loved it. I do not like Purdy, but the hate Nick has given him, while giving anyone he personally anointed a pass is disgusting. He tries to turn everything into a classic 2 by spinning a narrative as soon as a player or team he doesn’t like has a bad series or game. The Jokic and Celtics slander was ridiculous during the playoffs, and the 49ers and Ravens hate is an exact mirror of it.
Why does Nick say that he doesn't care about the wins Purdy has but cares about the losses?
It's the only argument he thinks he has. Everything else proves he was very wrong about Purdy.
I can’t wait for Nick to say “stood on business”😂😂
What happened to wins arent a QB stat....it shouldn't mean anything for purdy
I love the running joke of nick not understanding the 4th wall
This show is gold love to see when Brou has the goods for Nick.
Bengals getting healthier on D...this weekend will go a long way in seeing if the personnel is capable.
18:40
Wildes with the heat.! Whoo. Told Chris off😂
Gonna need a lot more French dressing to ingest that word salad from ratatouille. Nick is such a Stan.
You know I’ve watched a lot of sports segments on the 49ers and I gotta tell y’all, there is no bigger hater of Brock “ Glock Thirty” Purdy than Nicholas James Wright of First Things First on FOX.
“Guess what, he needed 6!”😂 Imo, Wildes is the star of the show!!
Defense doesn’t matter or keep moving the goalposts
Wildes is just too funny.
This is the comment I came looking for. His deadpan and facial expressions are excellent
@@jaredolinger3933 Mocking Bengals for months and when Nick might jump off his love for Bengal. Wildes jumps on.
There are literally no easy games anymore so things could go really bad San fran or Cincy, i’m betting on cincy going worse off than SF.
Look its Nick Wright, the king of strawman arguments when discussing brock purdy
Nick said YESTERDAY that purdy had been playing mostly good
And he said today that he'd be proven right about his "category 2" take that Purdy would eventually be exposed. He also said he'd be benched, and that he'd never reach a SB.
.... Great analyst
@zackhurwitz9441 lol right I heard that too. This man is DESPERATE to get SOMETHING right about Purdy lol
This just solidified Nicks hate for PURDY. You can’t convince me otherwise wise no mater what PURDY does he’s always gonna be criticized harder than anyone and it’s kinda sad to see someone have such hate just because he was picked last and purged people wrong lol.
Wildes is like a Twitter troll, you can't win an argument with him, he's too petty. I love it 😂😂
Nick was pretty fair on Purdy his second half’s haven’t been good but that also falls on the coach too which made brou and wilds last point so devastating is that Kyle has living off the “look what he did with jimmy g” gag for a while but he didn’t win without him until Purdy came along. These guys aren’t mediocre QBs Kyle just can’t coach to close games
Why isn’t the media never talking about the Seahawks? Why is this solely about the 49ers, even with Seattle leading the division?
Well as a Seahawks fan I’m very grateful that all u a holes talked about was Brock Purdy and the below .500 niners for the ENTIRE SEGMENT
Is the problem Brock Purdy or Kyle Shanahan's OCD?
The defense and special teams being laughably terrible isn't an option? Weird...
Wildes was cooking on the Bengals segment 😭😭😭
Wow bad loss for Nick, Brou wiped the floor with him.
Aside from the offensive performance, or lack there of, against Baltimore last season, every single one of the 49ers losses since Purdy took over has been majorly due to the defensive play… or lack there of. Purdy won the Super Bowl… until it was out in the defenses hands.
I don't know if they had all 3 last season when they played KC, but all 3 were there when they played the Ravens on Christmas and lost, so I don't know what's with "unless playing against Mahomes".
49ers are last in the league in wide receiver separation
Chris be getting smart with Nick on the slide.
Purdy is better than Nick portrays him to be and not as good as many 49er fans believe him to be. Shanahan effed up big time when he let his ego get in the way of bringing Brady on board. He wanted to win one his way, and had Brady come on board and won everybody would be giving Brady the credit. Had the 49ers picked up Brady when he left the Pats they might very well be sitting on 2 or more SB wins at this point. Now I feel like their window is closing.
You are so right on that. Kyle’s ego is one of the big reasons the 49ers struggled at times. That Tampa Bay championship could’ve been the niners. They would’ve had at least one with Brady like you said. They should get rid of Kyle and bring in Brady. He knows how to finish.
Brou destroys Nick every time Purdy comes up
Wright always a hater. How is it Purdy is ranked 7th in QBR above Hurts/13, Stafford/18, Love/23, Goff/24, Herbert/26. Wright's B-Buddy Lawrence 19. Defense and weak O-Line are problems.
Nick has been right about purdy the whole time
Nick…give it up. The Purdy thing…come on now
When Nick doesn't like someone he will never ever move off of that.
Wildes is the goat I swear 😂
Purdy, every QB, has to and will have their games that they lose when they had the lead. Same for comeback games after playing not good earlier in the game. Playoff games and ugly games, win or lose. last season Purdy had his bad game against the ravens, should have had a come back drive against the browns, came back in the second half of both divisional and conference games… now this year he has had his games where they lost after having the lead. Idle you ask me, while still being a great QB, he is hitting those check marks in great time so that he has all the experience he needs.
Nick sure knows how to put together a strong/convincing narrative but brou just tore it to shreds in every way 😂
The way Nick Wright talks about Brock Purdy has become just straight up disrespectful. Clearly has a vendetta that he won’t let go of.
Brou’s testosterone lvls have been off tha charts this week 😂😂😂
Trying to get "J-Lo" to stick as a nickname for Jordan Love is nasty work, Brou...
Comparing the stats from a total of 21 games to a total of 10 games is in itself a bad faith argument.. not to mention if you wait for them to have losses and then compare it to when he had no losses. Of course the stats will look like that.. It's how Nick uses stats disingenuously to try and prove a point that he can't prove otherwise.. he would never do this type of stat manipulation with someone like trevor, because his golden boy would look like one of the worst qbs in the past 3 years
I know the argument isn't starting to become "Well actually Jimmy G is the one that carried Shanahan"
This can't be where we are with this whole thing