SNEEG REACTS TO THE CASE OF CAMERON ROGERS
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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sneeg, thank you for telling chat to calm down about criticising the interviewer after you addressed her ableism. as an autistic person, i was starting to find it stressful that people couldn’t move past that. like, i despise ableism obviously lmao im physically disabled and neurodivergent, but it can be exhausting for people to constantly complain about it- when not relevant to what’s happening- when this woman from eight years ago isn’t going to change her behaviour. ive seen you speak about this and other social issues eloquently on many a crime time stream and i just wanted to say that i appreciate how well you handle them, and your chat. big respect and thanks, your streams and channel are a very welcoming space
I love to hear that others feel the same sort of respect for Sneeg that I have! He is never afraid to directly address stuff like this in a respectful way!
I’m only the first 2 minutes into the VOD and I’m SO relieved to know that he called them out for questioning it even though it might be typically considered “the right thing” for them to call her out on her tone. I personally am comforted by that calm way of speaking, and it seemed less like babying and more like double-checking everything was clear - which would be perfect if someone scatterbrained like me was in the chair.
the way she was treating him was also to lure him into a false sense of security to gaina confession, they do it to most people regardless of mental illness/ mental disabilities
I'm an autistic woman and when I am overwhelmed I need people to talk like this. This is the only way I can be talked to without being overwhiled
Not to detract from the crime even if an autistic person was like non verbal there’s no reason to baby them espionage if they’re an adult. Ppl who act like this is the reason why so many ppl go undiagnosed because their doctors think they don’t act like a child therefore aren’t autistic or don’t get diagnosed because they don’t want to be belittled
RIGHT Ive had teachers treat me like a toddler bc i was non verbal. just because im not speaking to you doesn't mean i cant understand you. the interview is very irritating because its obvious he can understand her well.
the interviewer actually and her tone was on purpose for this case for case sort of basis i believe, she was specifically called to help this guys case so he wouldn't be belittled by police officers. shes apart of their behavioral unit or something i believe. her tone is actually good for someone who has violent tendencies or stims with autism, ik autistic and so is my little brother, i use the same tone to calm him down and give him the space and energy to open up and talk to me. it isnt inherently belittling but i understand how people can see it that way, thats why using this is tone by a case by case basis for people on spectrum that have certain levels of functioning
like my little brother is 17 but mentally still 5, so its good to talk in a calm tone, definitely not down to him though. i wouldnt be adverse to be talked to the same way but if im belittled like a kid i wouldnt like that either as much as anyone of higher functioning on spectrum. just because we're on spectrum that doesnt mean any of us are not intelligent, just socially talking to people and being on the same wavelength is difficult. thats why using the calm and unassuming tone she's using is actually really good, we can tell she is trusting and not out to get us like officers would be
@@hexivehive I understand your intentions are good, and im glad your little brother has someone in his life who cares for him and wants to see the best for him, but saying "hes 17 but mentally 5" is such a harmful idea to perpetuate. "Mental Age Theory" is an idea perpetuated by eugenicists in order to demean and restrict the freedoms of disabled and developmentally challenged people. I know this is not your intent behind saying something like that, im assuming your intent is far from it, but continuing to use language like that keeps the theory alive and allows it to be considered normal and acceptable. I recommend reading up on it because im sure if you do, you'll realize how hurtful and harmful it is to disabled people such as myself.
Some also mentally shut down during times of extreme stress. I'm one of them.
But yeah, he knows he did it, so there's no need for it.
Also yknow.. shit doctors
It's so weird to me that they keep talking about it like his parents not allowing him to work as an adult isn't a motive? Like he very clearly described financial abuse and they're acting like that isn't a motive. I get that people struggle to recognize abuse outside of physical, verbal, and s*xual abuse, but he was being abused by his parents.
Exactly, I'm confused about that too
I suspect it's partly bias due to his diagnoses and potentially depends on whether he may have still been classified as a dependent-esque in the eyes of the law? they weren't directly taking money from his earnings or using his college savings for nefarious purposes, just verbally preventing him from getting a job and monitoring purchases which is controlling, and belittling as a competent 22yo, but those weren't purchases with his money. Something strict parents can do which isn't healthy but wouldn't easily be considered abuse unfortunately, especially when he's still living with them and they're paying for college. Also made worse by perception of his diagnosis I suspect. Still I was expecting Sneeg or the narrator to point that out, but I guess it like the arguments over his major was never quite brought up as an actual reason he did it by the suspect.
@@song1of1fire1 The thing is they don't have to be stealing his money for it to be financial abuse, they are controlling him by controlling his finances. He was financially dependent on them, they weren't allowing him to take the necessary steps to become financially independent, and they were using his financial dependency to control his life by not allowing him to get a job or choose his own major. That is economic abuse.
right it sounds like they pocketed his disability check
If someone can get into college, I feel like they have the mental capacity to be talked to like a normal person.
Vouch
“Oh I’m so proud of you! You can write your own name? How smart and impressive!”
Ma’am I’m in collage
I get babied all the time because I'm autistic and The Ableism
I just got accepted into college
@@ashbradshaw6835 if someone starts talking down to you once they realize just do it back to them because then people realize the reality of it ( if you’re in a safe environment to stand up for yourself that is)
@@tacossmiley Ooo that's a good idea!
When he starts getting upset it is due to his 'mask' slipping, people (like myself) with autism or ADHD build up a 'mask' to look "normal" or to hide emotions. So when he seems emotionless it is because he has built up a mask in order to not seem strange to others
Yeah, it could also be that it took him a while to process things, and that's why he had a delayed reaction. Not saying you're wrong, just adding onto the information for those who don't know :) /pos
I saw a bit of confusion in chat about the sudden emotional shifts that Cameron experiences, and as someone on the spectrum as well, I tend to have reactions that happen in similar ways. It's strange to hear, but it's common for me to feel those switches, especially under immense stress. Which unfortunately has had people tell me I was faking tears before.
People love to call others out for faking no matter what it is and no matter the situation. I think people really need to stop jumping right to conclusions and maybe, just maybe, ask the person first.
Not detracting from the crime, but it does annoy me when I'm talked to this way. When people find out I'm on the spectrum, they immediately change their demeanor and start babying me. I'm 22 in 3 days, I'm not a damn child. Don't treat me like one.
Oooo happy birthday mate!!! And do just tell them to their face that they're treating you like a child and it annoys you. If you're petty like me you could mimic the way they talk to you and annoy them back LMAO give them a taste of their own medicine
@@soup2636 ^ LMAO I recommend this. It brings people back to reality FAST. and welcome to the 22 club buddy 😂
happy birthday bro
Well if you have to tell them and they don’t know then don’t tell them🙄 you bring it on yourself. As a slightly autistic dork myself I just don’t tell people because otherwise no one would know except me. You know how many times I’ve been treated like a baby? Never because I don’t act like one. So either you acting like one and deserve it or you tell everyone every chance you get so you deserve it.
@@dedo7326 thats a bs thing, if you are autistic you just don't deserve to be talked to like a baby (I have autism as well). Sometimes things need to be cleared up or are able to be explained when telling someone your diagnoses, it should never warrant them to start treating someone like they are incompetent.
What you're saying is literary: "Oh they found out/you told them, so you deserve it." As if it's their fault for having autism and wanting people to know just in case. People should just treat people with respect, not change their behaviour around someone when they find out said person is autistic.
Honestly, I can’t help feeling bad for the guy. He can’t do what he wants in school, can’t leave the house, can’t get a job- I feel like anyone would crack. It seems like the way the investigator is talking to him is the same as his parents- not treat him like a grown man, and more like an infant. It’s a sad case
Yeah. It's no excuse, but it is an explanation.
Yeah I agree. This really reminds me of the "Jennifer's solution" video which was a similar case of having no freedom and lashing out at the parents, and I just feel bad for both of them even though it's obviously a horrible thing to do
@@immaperson321 Exactly, and the Spur of the moment thing was probably all of that building up, and in 2006, medications weren't really good for some on the spectrum, because in depression medications, some side effects include Anger and Psychosis. I've had to detox myself, because of incorrect medication. At least I had a more moral grasp and logical thought process to know that outbursts of anger are not what I know myself being like. All it was, was a punch for me to start crying and apologize.
This reminds me of Gypsy (last name Rose, I think?) case.
She snapped too,she shouldn't have gotten thar harsh sentence.
She needed help, just like this guy
@@jennifervan75 I was thinking the same thing she’s being put on parol late 2023 from my knowledge. I felt so bad for her and it’s such a morally conflicting situation
I'm not saying this because I think it has any particular significance, but I was a bit shocked when he said he was in mechanical engineering the first year because of his parents because that literally happened to me. I'm autistic and ADHD and I went into mechanical engineering the first year because of pressure from my parents before changing. I just think it's interesting, and it definitely startled me a bit to see the similarities. Also, the way she was talking to him in the beginning sucked majorly. This guy is obviously intelligent enough to understand her, I don't know why she's infantilizing him so much. Just talk to him like a person.
I almost didn't notice that at first, but it did still come off weird somehow I just couldn't place why her tone was weird. I'm so used to being spoken to that way jeez. You've got a good point
I'm autistic as well, but I haven't been spoken to that way much at all. I understand that it would be upsetting to others and probably to myself as well, BUT, this person in particular seemed to not mind it. It actually seemed to make him comfortable to converse with her. Autism is a spectrum, everyone is different.
The Spur of the moment thing resonated. In 2006, medications weren't really good for some on the spectrum, because in depression medications, some side effects include Anger and Psychosis. I've had to go through detox myself, because of incorrect medication. At least I had a more moral grasp and logical thought process to know that outbursts of anger are not what I know myself being like. All it was, was a punch for me to start crying and apologize.
She doesn’t speak to him like that because she’s degrading him. She’s doing it so that the court can rule out any unfair treatment. It’s entirely a safety precaution done by the police in order to ensure that they are not accountable for any liability concerning the mental well-being of the mentally ill suspect.
Im also autistic and ADHD, and i find comfort when people talk to me in the way she does, especially when in times of conflict or stress. Probably mostly because i get very overwhelmed and have meltdowns when i have a lot of pressure on me.
Thank you sneeg for pointing out how the way she was talking to him clearly wasn't ok no matter what he had done. It was so uncomfortable hearing how she kept repeating herself and dumbing everything down even though he very clearly understood or repeated louder that he already understood her first point. Like damn.
big thanks to sneeg for pointing out the injustice of infantilizing people who are on the spectrum or who have different brain chemistry than the “norm.” its so obnoxious to be a fully-developed adult and still treated like a child. i have a whole list of disabilities that cause me to receive the same treatment as him, and although he is a criminal, its unfair to talk to him as if hes five years old.
i love sneeg for his humor and sense of morale and justice, and how he stands up for people like me
I love the fact that sneeg has to take time to educate chat that shows that he cares for other people and that's one thing I love about him.
Hey man- I don’t usually comment on videos from big UA-camrs, because it’s unlikely that my comments will ever be seen, but I feel the need to say something. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for how you spoke about people on the spectrum. I have Asperger’s Syndrome (a different form of ASD) and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been babied by people, ignored or treated like a child because of my disability. I am 16, but am on par with the average middle aged person in terms of intellectual capabilities and can hold one on one conversation properly more than even some neurotypical people can. My difficulties are with talking to multiple people, along with many sensory sensitivities. I hate that people assume that I’m not autistic because I’m not stupid, or do the opposite and baby me when I’m trying to have an adult conversation. It’s exhausting and demeaning. It means the world to people like me that you, someone who really doesn’t *have* to be educated on the subject, have made it a point to properly inform yourself and even to educate your audience on why such behavior toward autistic people is wrong. It honestly made my day to hear you speak so truthfully, and was very refreshing. Thank you for all you do, and please know that you are making a real impact in this world. Thank you, Sneeg.
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Yeah, I kinda get it from an outside and inside perspective. I have adhd, and my dad has a physical birth defect that caused him to have a stubby. So I grew up with exposure to people who could be viewed as physically disabled, (we don't see him that way tbh but that's just him) and I know he is more than capable, that others who are mentally/physically disabled are capable, especially if given the resources they need, and I was taught not to judge them or consider them weird. I remember being told from a young age not to stare when I saw an amputee as well. So I have learned not to baby and infantalize, and unfortunately not everyone has that exposure or education. I know that if I was babied or treated like I'm dumb for having adhd would irritate me. I mean, maybe if I was having really bad symptoms like where I'm not in an easy headspace, I can see why sometimes concepts need dumbing down. But I would not appreciate it either. I'm probably one of the more intelligent kids of my classes. adhd just makes the way I learn, think, process and react to concepts or situations and sensory things different in ways to that of neurotypical folks. And I'm really glad with the way Sneeg holds these conversations and defends neurodivergent/disabled folks, and mental health.
Hey man, im going to assume you're unware about why we don't use 'aspergers syndrome'. Hans Asperger was a nazi that used the term to differenciate who he thought were 'okay' autistic people and who wernt. the term was created and used to promote eugenics. its being faded out of medical use. I was diagnosed with aspergers roughly 10 years ago, but that has been updated to ASD. I don't reccomend using the term 'aspergers'. ASD or autism is not only the modern medical term but also doesnt have nazi links
aspergers syndrome is an outdated term created by a nazi, it isnt "another type" of asd. just fyi.
Whats up my fellow autismo
@@joeebiden_ technically its just autism spectrum because thats the whole spectrum, peeps like me still use aspergers because some people act like this interviewer if you say you’re on the spectrum
One of my friends who is dyslexic and that's it, has been treated like a small child and has been belittled just because they can't spell properly and read things correctly, they've told me different stories about it and it's a real problem! People need to learn to treat everyone respectfully and with kindness
I’m glad they were so professional and thorough with the rights but as someone with anxiety/panic disorder and adhd the way she talks to him irks me. It reminds me so much of how teachers would infantilize me in school when I was younger. Idk it just feels so weird to me.
Thank you for pausing to talk about the woman's behavior. It was reassuring to hear someone also find issue with such treatment. Many times I have made to feel invalidated when it came to how other adults acted towards me because of my own disability status.
I know video this was five or six years ago but I was recently in a day program for disabled adults, where most of us didn't have diminished mental capacity, but still the staff treated us exactly how this police officer does. I ended up leaving the program after the staff continually told me I was making others feel bad for 'being too smart' or how I was 'too sensitive' because of my vocal disagreement with being infantilized by other adults. It was a frustrating and insulting experience, and I know that unfortunately It won't be my last.
11:19 "talking to him like he's about to explode" bro I took that literally and it's the funniest thing ever to visualize lmao
not to ignore sneeg being based ofc, talking to autistic and other neurodivergent people like that when is not ok. make fun of the murderers for being murderers, not for being or having something that they can't control :]
it sounds like his parents were taking his disability check considering he didn’t receive it and they refused to let him work
The sad part is he clearly doesn't fully grasp what he did. Logically, yes, he realizes that he did a bad thing, and he didn't like it when his mother was screaming in pain because he didn't want her to be in pain. But on an emotional level he doesn't understand what he did. He has this sense of complete bewilderment. I can imagine him in his room, rocking in a corner and crying in fear with his hands pressed over his ears while his mom screams downstairs. It is so obvious from the interview that he just wants it all to go away.
Edit: Honestly, if people recognized that autistic people like him need to be taught the connection between their actions and how it affects other people, AND understood that autistic people who don't naturally know that are generally quite capable of learning, we wouldn't have cases like his.
10:25 i just love these entire couple of minutes, i was talked to like this lady is talking (except yknow the murdering) ,me being on the spectrum and having adhd doesnt mean im not functional enough to have a regular conversation. The tone used almost felt mocking after a while
It was so weird, she was talking to him like a baby while talking about him being An Actual Engineer
I don't often find these hard to watch but i had to look away halfway through. This one was heartbreaking especially being autistic and understanding that he didn't see the full seriousness of his actions until later and wanting to change it back.
The interviewers in this vid were reminiscent of the teachers I dealt with in special ed. I don’t have autism but being talked down to by them always pissed me off. I feel for anyone who’s on the spectrum or mentally ill and also has to deal with this shit. The dude’s not a kid and treating him like one is condescending at best and ableist at worst
I was in special Ed for a long while and the teachers there were miserable and I was a educational succeeding student compared to neurotypical students but they still talked to me like I was the stupidest person on earth
THANK YOU, it is so extremely frustrating how people infantilize disabilities and mental illnesses. I hate being treated like a child just because I'm Neurodivergent. It's almost night and day with how people treat me and my older sister, I get babied while she's not (even though she struggles with the same things I do??). It's because I show more signs of neurodivergence, she's just better at masking hers than I am. It's sickening, why should I be babied and treated like a child? Why don't people take her struggles as seriously as mine? I'm really glad people are coming to realize that we just want to be treated the same as neurotypical people.
10:24 - 14:50 + 17:59 - 20:15 Sneeg is so good at talking about this stuff
URE SO RIGHT
Up until watching this video I didn't know that people talking to you like this wasn't normal. I'm not sure if it's a Canada thing or what but this is how every single person talks to me once they find out I am not mentally the same as them (I have tics and other mental issues). I've always hated it but just thought it was normal so thanks for making me realize that that is not the normal thing or the okay thing.
it’s frustrating that i didn’t even notice the woman’s infantizing tone until it was pointed out because i’m so used to people talking to me like that (i have autism and severe adhd). i am rarely taken seriously because of how people infantize me. for some reason a lot of people think neurodiversity is a synonym for a helpless baby. it’s not.
To me it seems like the way he is being talked to is making him more nervous than anything.
I really appreciate both when Sneeg is trolling and then when he doubles down and seriously addresses things, like the ableism and how it intersects with the case here or his police and justice system callouts in other videos. It's really refreshing because he's not doing it with an especially academic air and I think that drills it in a lot better for many people. Love these - Sneeg is based.
Sneeg's discussion during this is the reason his community is a bunch of neurodivergent fruits (including me). He speaks with such compassion and understanding and conviction that makes us feel so safe around him and in his community.
I am excited!! Always brightens my day to see a crime time vod get uploaded. They're my favorite ♡
Thank you for addressing the ableism, genuinely. I’m autistic and have adhd, and the constant babying by the interviewer was like confusing to me, lmao. cuz i was just like ????? this is a grown man.
god i can’t watch this, the way she’s talking to him makes my skin crawl. i have literal goosebumps, i hate it
As someone who is on the spectrum i really appreciated what you said. In school a lot of my teachers always talked to me like i couldn't comprehend what they were trying to get me to do. I know a comment section isn't the right place for me to say all this, but you touched a special place in my heart with what you said and for that i thank you.
As an adult with ADHD I want to ✨SMACK✨Teresa. He is not stupid. Why is she talking to him like he’s a toddler? Stop talking to him like he’s a child. She pissed me the fuck off. Talk to him like he’s an adult. Give him more time to formulate his answers if he needs it but don’t act like he’s a literal CHILD.
give her the old ONE TWO w my fists yk
@@beesbrownies was thinking more smack some sense into her but whatever works
@@mk_the_maniac2091 i was agreeing :)
@@beesbrownies oh my bad lmao 👍 /pos
@@mk_the_maniac2091 have a good day :)
im so grateful sneeg is there to tell off chat for doing or saying bad things about mentally ill people as well as mentally ill criminals. in my opinion as an autistic person, i actually dont see her as babying the suspect. honestly listening to her speak was very calming and felt very clear cut, and hopefully it was the same for the suspect even if we arent on the same place in the spectrum. but yeah, love you sneeg, thank you so much for educating people it makes me so happy seeing neurotypical people standing up for those who struggle to stand up for themselves
HAHAHAHA I DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT COOERSION HOLY SHIT
like i said, im autistic, literally didnt even think about her doing this just to take advantage of him to get a confession. wow, thank you sneeg for your neurotypical & legal angle on all this, this is why i love watching your true crime stuff
I did think about the way she was talking. And for you to bring it up and say whats happening is great. You genuinely so cool. Sneeg is very pog!
hi! it's pretty common for autistic people to struggle with alexithymia, or the inability to identify, process, and describe emotions. it can feel like numbness or apathy, but it can also feel like a torrent of emotions with no way to process and work through them. combined with the emotional and psychological shock that often happens after someone commits a murder and in the subsequent arrest and interrogation, it's likely that this guy was struggling to even identify what he was feeling, let alone describe it to an interrogator who he didn't know in a place he wasn't comfortable in. it's likely that alexithymia or other emotional processing difficulties were the cause of his vague wording and his struggle to describe his thoughts and feelings at the time of the murder as well as in the week following. this will also likely make it more difficult for the defense to build a sympathetic and relatable case; people expect murderers who feel remorse to burst into tears and break down, and the differing emotional responses of neurodivergent people makes it difficult for people to sympathize with them.
I'm so uncomfortable with the way she's talking to him, it creeps me out
I might have to skip that one cause it's not getting any better only more irritating
Protect your energy, comfort, and mental health. If you don't think you can watch, don't, know it is okay and don't feel guilty for taking care of yourself.
@@immaperson321 I decided to turn it off for own comfort, thank you for the kind words ^^
What's even worse about people who treat us like that is if you say something about it or ask them to stop, 9 times out of 10 they'll become hostile towards you. It's funny that the people most likely to baby you act the most like a baby
Sneeg I just want to thank you for speaking out about this as a person with autism and adhd as well I get babied on the daily and it makes me upset because I might need a bit more help then others but that doesn't mean I'm stupid or incapable and my disorders don't define me yes they are apart of me but they don't define who I am
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This is the only murderer I feel slightly sorry for.
As someone who has been through the Canadian health system and has been treated similarly to this most of the time while dealing with health professionals, I was unaware that this is not how everyone is supposed to be treated until after watching this video. Is the introgator really that different from that of other health professionals who don't deal with mental health situations??
this is irritating me so i need to ask... is the video/audio delayed on sneegs camera? is sneeg mouthing words before he actually says them? or is my pc breaking?😂 i must have refreshed the video like 4 times and i even loaded other videos and it seems to be fine on other videos im so confused
Yeah I think the render messed up on this one Idk
@@sneegsnag ohh ok thanks for letting me know
Thankyou Sneeg for talking about the whole treatment thing, because i also deal with that stuff.
I've been talked to like this and it's extremely demeaning and frustrating 😤 😒 in my case I was in a mental health facility. If I called it out or questioned it I was considered argumentative. I ended up just telling them what they wanted to hear so I could get out faster. I ended up trying to unalive myself after I got out. I didn't get the help I needed and it made me hesitant to reach out. People need to educate themselves on how to talk to people.
Not defending him as a murderer but if he is a fraction of high functioning as I am then they way this officer is talking to him would have been maddening. Like Jesus…
Only at 26 minutes in did I notice that the interrogator was also on the screen. Why am I so bad at noticing details, it just shocked me a lot, like it’s huge on the screen. Am I okay
OH MY GOD I JUST NOTICED
39 mins in and only cuz i saw your comment. im just built different ig
50:10 I thought she was asking “what made you cut melons?”
I really resonated with Sneeg's speech about the lady baby talking the suspect because he was autistic. As a neurodivergent kid, I constantly baby-talked and my intelligence was belittled over and over again in school and it made me feel awful. No one should be treated as though they are stupid, no matter their mental ability.
As someone who experiences some pretty bad psychosis (the person my doctor referred me to for treatment doesn't do diagnoses, so I just know the psychosis not the actual problem) I'm terrified of being interviewed for a murder as a witness or something. I'm not gonna kill someone. That's something you can tell, I'm pretty sure. But I'm scared the police will use the fact that I see monsters that aren't there and occasionally hear voices to say that I'm violent and actually did the murder, especially since I'm autistic and I'm not the best at speaking in a clear way and I have a lot of problems with body language and I have a few disruptive stims. I would be so overwhelmed the police would just have to get used to me speaking gibberish loudly at random because I need to make noise because I would be so stressed. One of my biggest fears is getting involved in a police case.
Kinda weird not being able to have your own money or be allowed to apply for jobs
It’s also weird to murder your parents with knives and leave your mom gasping on the floor in agony before she dies, but go off
11:15 I have Asperger Syndrome and ADHD and people talk like that to me too and it's SO annoying
"Hey google, asking for a friend. Woult it be considered 3rd degree murder if you put peanut butter onto your peanut butter chair but forgot to clean it when leaving the library?"
Sneegsnag is a chad for how he talks about autism I appreciate he treats us normal
As an autistic person that thanks for pointing out how the woman is talking to him like a child. This whole case screams of people thinking that they know best for an autistic person ripping them of their agency and adulthood. It's so sad hearing him talk about the fact he wasn't allowed to leave the house without permission and was indebt to his own family because of his disability only to have a person that's supposed to be on his side continue the same behaviour. I'd like to say murder not ok and I'm not saying I'm giving this guy a pass but it's clear that his parents were abusing him with emotional/financial abuse which makes this more complicated with how you'd prosecute someone.
Why does the narrator for this one sound like the “her ears were cut off, her tongue was cut off” tik tok audio
Okay but holy hell. She was talking to him in the most belittling way. He obviously has a high comprehension and understands what is going on and what she is saying yet she still tests him like a child. She continues to explain how she’s “just a visitor” after he clearly states that he gets it and continuously asks him why he doesn’t want to talk to a lawyer after he clearly expressed his knowledge of what is going on and that he doesn’t want to speak to another one. This is infuriating to watch.
I grew up very close with a family that had 3 siblings that were all on different levels of the autism spectrum. The youngest was severely autistic to the point of being unable to function at anything higher than a 3-4 year old level. At that point yeah you should treat them as a 3-4 year old. But their oldest was barely autistic and could be treated as someone only 1 or 2 years younger than his actual age. The middle child was just about exactly between the two. He was high functioning enough to communicate fluently and take responsibility for his actions but low functioning enough that you had to keep it in mind when interacting with him. But yes, unless they are severely autistic, you shouldn't baby them.
just to let you know, functioning labels are pretty widely rejected by the autism community. someone may have low social abilities but high cognitive abilities. to the outside world they would look "low functioning" or "severely autistic". autism is a spectrum of abilities not a spectrum of funtion or severity
@@joeebiden_ yea but thats real modern. This interview took place in 2016 and treatment/understanding were shit. Someone who grew up with family would have grown up with the knowledge of the times, likely before 2016 /nm
@@that1fangrl theres plenty of people who grew up with those terms who reject them now. im telling this person the correct terms BECAUSE they probably dont know.. theres no reason for me to not inform them just because they grew up with those terms
@@that1fangrl not to mention, functioning labels were an extension of the aspergers diagnosis which stopped being used in 2013 - and has been rejected along with functioning labels. people just continued to use them afterwards because it was "easier"
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i don’t know if it’s just me but i kinda felt like she was talking like a doctor but also at the same time she’s talking to him like a child
Im only about 13 minutes into the video, so this may change, but currently i dont really have a problem with what Theresa is saying? I dislike her tone of voice, shes speaking in a somewhat hushed and gentle tone of voice that we often reserve for children and sometimes animals, which isnt okay, but the content of her speech i think is fine. As an autistic person myself, her reassuring "okay"s and "alright"s would be helpful for me to understand that shes really listening, and her clear and to-the-point way of communicating questions would keep me from misinterpreting what shes saying. Idk, i just think, without the baby voice, id be very responsive to her.
Yeah, it's mainly the tone that's the issue. The words she's actually saying, for the most part, is not that out of place when compared to how some of the other police officers have been in other videos sneeg's reacted to. They often use positive affirmations and are careful with the way they word things in order to keep the suspect calm, they just also say those things in a tone of voice that doesn't sound like they're talking to a toddler.
okay so ive got a question- if an alter in an OSDD/DID system were to commit murder, would the system be able to plea insanity? /genq
Sneeg, you are based. I am autistic and I'm sick of being infantilized, thank you for addressing this with your platform!
She's talking to him like an elementary school kid who moved to a new school and needs guidance and not like a man that killed his parents. Him being a murderer makes it worse because he's clearly capable of a heinous act and yet she's treating him like this sweet baby who just needs coddling. He and the situation need to be taken seriously
Edit: ableism aside I hate how she's talking like a reassuring parent when their kid does something trivial. Saying "we've all been under pressure" and "we can't change what's in the past" in the way she says it reads like she's trying to tell him it was okay to murder his parents and he can just move on. But that's the thing you tell a kid when they shout at someone angrily and say a mean thing, or when someone talks about feeling guilty for something they did. He knows better than her that what he did was wrong, that's why he turned himself in, and she's just acting like "well we all have those days 😇"
I wonder if he would ever watch the Gypsy rose case, I don’t think there is an interrogation, but I would love to here his thoughts regarding EVERYTHING in that case
Do y’all think that the open gunfire is a tactic to rial him up?? Cuz he seemed more panicky while it was going off idk if they did it intentionally or not it would be fucked up but I mean it worked that’s when he really started to talk details.
I have high functioning ASD, and like the treatment I got from some people from the day before and the day after I got diagnosed (age 25) was like whiplash. It went from my doctor treating me as someone who knows a lot about drug interactions and functions (since I've taken courses in drugs and behavior and neurology) to being talked to like I was 5! Like yesterday we were discussing setting up nalaxone training for the school dorms and now today you're acting like idk how to pronounce the word opioid, like I thought we were peers??????
Okay, i am autistic, i have never killed anyone but, this whole situation remind me of when i was a kid. I used to have this pretty impulse moment that sometimes ended up hurting someone. Luckily my parents picked on this fast and I started going to therapy (even without a austism diagnosis until 2 years ago)... What I am saying is that, maybe he not just didn't got the help needed growing up, but he also was "babyed" by his parents, i mean, he is a full grown man and his parents dont let him work or have his own money??? I do not condone his actions but as someone in the spectrum who has dealed with impulsivity and overall making mistakes for reasons i dont even know why to this day (like, sometimes i will be head empty and then BAH i cut my had with a razer bc, why not?! And them ppl wil be like "why u did that?" And i will be "i donno, it just happened, i am more confuse that u are!" .... This is a real story... My hand is okay tho) , i can kind understand when he is coming from.
Edit: i wrote this in the very beginning, my opinion may change
I just finished up a criminology course for Canadian law, and I've done some forensic psychology for Canadian law, and over here, premeditation can be like less than an hour in advance as long as there is some level of planning for at least the murder or the disposal of evidence. Like if you are sitting there like "well I have a knife. I can kill them. Just stab in the back, and done. Then I just got to call the other parent down." For like 30 min its still premeditated on both accounts. Unless they are in a life or death situation or under abusive circumstances, then they can argue diminished capacity a lot easier.
I am autistic and I didn't know that the way people were treating me like that were doing something wrong. I didn't like it but I though that was how adults talk to people like me. I have a lot to think about, thank you! (I love your vids!)
as someone who's autistic, it's infuriating hearing people talk to me the way that woman is talking to him. my mom does it all the time and she wonders why we're on bad terms (it's more than _just_ that but i'm not about to tell my life story). this is to everyone: no matter what age and/or disability, NEVER talk to someone like this. they know they're being talked down to. _i_ know i'm being talked down to. just because people don't confront you about it, doesn't mean they aren't aware of it. it's called infantilizing. look it up.
the way the woman was speaking to him made me uncomfortable for a reason i couldn't place, but as soon as the suspect's ASD was mentioned and it was clarified he's an adult, (i assumed he was younger until that point *because* of how he was being treated) i realized that i was uncomfortable because it's similar to how some people treat me when they learn i'm autistic. i am fully mentally capable, i excel in academics, hindered only by social and emotional difficulties due to my (also diagnosed) depression and anxiety disorders. yet, teachers and even people my age or younger have talked to me like that if they learn i'm autistic. it has really rancid vibes that she's talking to him like he's a dog or a child. i'm a person, he's a person, and sometimes the way people like me with ASD are treated make it easy for us to forget that.
I thought diminished capacity was more for like if you were forced to kill someone by someone who would have otherwise killed you and like people who have been brainwashed by cult leaders, etc
the narrator sounds like suse from gravity falls
god, i could tell the interviewer was being ableist from the start. people speaking to me like that is my nightmare.
Thanks for protecting us, Sneeg.
She sounds like my old theripist 💀
So like, I get why she was babying him for the rights talk, not that it makes it ok, but it’d make it harder for the defence to throw off the case by stating he didn’t understand his rights due to his ASD and otherwise.
I’m on the spectrum and the entire time watching I’d keep thinking to myself how I’d start talking down to the investigator just like she was talking to him lol!
if you are referring to the "functioning" spectrum for non-allistics that's not an actual spectrum. That's a system used to define how "normal" an autistic person is and is truly demeaning. therapists say autistic people are "high functioning" if they are good at masking, even if they can't take care of their hygiene or emotional well-being. There is no spectrum for functioning, it's a case by case basis and I understand people don't understand that or know it. And even if you didn't mean that and misspoke it's still necessary to say. Abelism is a systematically inflicted discrimination.
Had a teacher like this in high school. Had to take a special needs class where they clumped ALL the kids with any kind of disabilities together and talked to us all the same way. I asked her to stop talking to me like that and she refused and from then on I never did any of her homework.
I remember a lesson she tried to teach us was "How to wave normally to another person"
MF i just have Adhd.. and I am being put in with kids who can't feed themselves without assistance.
this interviewer sound like she's of irish descent, i'm picking up a slight accent. cool
CRIME TIME
I feel bad about this one in a different way than usual.
not that I'm agreeing with his actions, but I feel like she's acting as if forcing someone to go to college for three years in a hard degree that they don't want to be in and not allowing him to work and being stuck at the house all the time isn't enough pressure to make him want to kill them. also, she said he was under arrest for 1st-degree murder but I'm wondering if the whole forcing him to study something he didn't want to study and not letting him get a job, and forcing him to be at home all the time had anything to do with them sentencing him on 2nd degree charges
I’m sorry, but the way this woman talks to the suspect is fucking infuriating for me. I’m an autistic person, and I absolutely hate it when people use “soft, baby talk” like I’m stupid or something. This stems from my developing years as a pre-teen where teachers weren’t treating me with respect. I’m not a fucking child. I’m a grown person, please treat me like an adult with cognitive functions.
watching that interview was just an eye opener for me to how my sibling gets treated when people know that they're autistic. I didn't really understand the extent as I know that they're incredibly intelligent and well spoken (not that if you aren't you deserve to be condescended to anyway). Like damn this is why education is important and it's sad our school systems don't teach us about neurodivergence and mental illness
It happened in my city...well, an hour or so.
once he pointed out how she was talking i couldn’t unhear it
Sneeg's argument about how asd people shouldn't be talked to like this confuses me. I have autism and I know that if someone started yelling at me and talking in a hostile manner because I did something wrong, I would shut down.
I think he meant it as in that we should talk to them like any other person but we shouldn't overly baby them or talk to them like how we would with a toddler
@@moldy.lychee I guess that's fair. I was just a bit confused by his wording.
It's the way she's speaking extremely slowly and the like 'here are your rights. Do you un-der-sta-nd them?' that is rude. She is dumbing down her language, speaking slowly, and over enunciating like you would speak to a toddler. 'do you want some food? Foood. Something to eat.' kinda style
Also they said his autism is comorbid with Adhd. I've got adhd, and someone speaking slowly causes me to dissociate and lose focus, so the speaking overly slowly is counterintuitive
She was so gentle and nice about reading the rights
Thank you for telling the chat to calm down about criticizing the interviewer! As an autistic person it was stressing me out. I also don't like ableism because am Very ND but it's irritating for people to constantly complain about it.
Dude sounds like Kumar from Harold and Kumar
I love watching theseeee :))))
Killing is easy but buying a visa is too complicated.
Okay i heard one line of that lady and i think im gonna have to be out-
Thats the *exact fucking tone* the people in the hospital kept speaking to me with- and its not even the same language..
Bruh i knew it was bad there but i never realized it was that bad...
Ill look for a different vod to watch before goin to sleep :)
Yea her tone never gets better. This isnt always the case in America but there are absolutely teachers, doctors, etc that still use this tone when they know someone has a mental disorder
Good on you for prioritizing your comfort and mental health, hope you enjoyed the vod you found!
I was thinking about something. I don't say the following claim is true. I just wanna know if it may be right.
I wonder, if the interrogator took extra care with this man because if she had gone at him like certain interrogator does. Then the case could have been dismissed for procedural defect. What I mean is that if I was an attorney and saw a recording of a normal interrogation with this man. I may say that my client felt pressured into admitting to anything the interrogator threw at them because his condition makes him deal badly with stress. Whether it's true or not.
If anyone with law knowledge reads me I'd like to know whether this defence is viable or not and if it is. If the interrogator could have taken extra care to avoid this issue.
Is it just me that the audio isn't synced up with the video for?