(DISOWNED)Everything Wrong With Charriii5’s EWW Sonic 3&K
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my personal favorite of the original classic lineup. I just love everything about it and is one game I look forward to replay often. Charriii’s video on it may have taken almost 15 months to get done, but it actually ain’t so bad. It’s flawed, but compared to some of his other videos, it’s definitely better.
Charriii's video: • Everything Wrong With ...
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Same
@@DShy96 thanks,it did not take a long time,i don't have that good of edting skills,i just did my best
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my second favorite classic era Sonic game behind Sonic Mania.
Video suggestion: Everything Wrong With Charriii5's EWW Batman: Arkham Asylum. Will you do it? Please?
2 questions
1: chariii made eww son8c origins, are you gonna cover it
2:how would you rank all 12 star wars films from worst best (or at least the ones you've seen) also charriii quoted anakins line about disliking sand when sinning sandopolis (at least it think he did)
The only Charriii5 EWW where I could actually start to see some flaws by myself. I guess your videos must have been helping me with that. Can't wait for it.
Yeah same. I mean, I love Charriii5's EWW videos, even his most flawed ones, but I swear, I feel like he doesn't think before he decides if something is a sin or not.
@@TheRiderOfChaos i feel like he's trying to hard to emulate the cinemasins style, even the bad stuff (maybe thats too optimistic tho)
Agreed. I'm just glad his EWW videos aren't a slog to watch.
Or maybe they aren't meant to be taken seriously
I recently discovered your channel through this series and I love it, great work on these videos and your amazing comebacks and counterarguments!
Sonic 3&K is definitely my favorite 2d sonic game, I just have a blast everything I play through it, and chariiis video on it is pretty good too
I agree
Good video! I actually got to be here for it live!
I remember hearing the final boss theme from Sonic 3 and Knuckles as a kid, but not understanding it's origins. My first time hearing was from a SpongeBob fangame called "DoodleBob and the Magic Pencil", it's played when you're in Plankton's level. I did not know it came from Sonic 3 and Knuckles, until Sonic Origins was released. I'm born in 2006, don't blame me. Also, the final boss theme is amazing. You use it most of the video game bosses and they work very well.
Let me put this simply: Hydrocity Zone's name doesn't matter because it's not even a city. It's an ingenious sewer system with aqueducts. Perhaps the echidnas used it to deal with their waste whilst also fertilizing their farms (e.g. marble garden zone).
Call it whatever you want, but it's moot. EVEN KNUCKLES SAYS IT'S MOOT TO SONIC AND TAILS WHEN THEY ARGUE ABOUT THE NAME.
underrated asf
@@austria-hungary7680 it really is.
@@kinggalactix i dont want to talk about the short im watching while typing this
Charriii5 still has to sin Sonic 4 Episodes 1 and 2 ,Sonic Mania ,and Sonic Origin's Story mode.
Not to mention Advance 1, 2, and 3
4:34 Also want to point out Tails CAN canonically fly infinitely it's just gameplay purposes or else you could cheese everything and same goes for Super Sonic, He can canonically stay Super for as long as he wants unless the power is sucked out from him and/or if he chooses to let it go!
Gameplay and actual story parts are two different things it's wired but C'mon guys
I mean, Just imagine doing this stuff infinitely that would defeat the purpose of a challenge in gaming.
@@DShy96 Nope! Completely no limit, I guess unless he got tired
Since when has tails been able to fly infinitely? He gets tired after the marble garden boss and has to land in carnival night. It makes more sense the other way around where Tails can fly infinitely for certain gameplay purposes like continuing the marble garden boss for as long as the player needs it to go on, but canonically cannot lore wise.
I think to be able to lose your super/hyper form and die because of it in doomsday zone and other final bosses throughout the series also makes it mean more than just a gameplay thing. Shadow's super form in SA2 naturally burns out, so Sonic's should be able to as well. Unless Sega has explicitly said otherwise somewhere, of course.
@@guyerinostefanson9181 It only burned out because they used Choa control switch uses energy which sucked the energy out of Sonic and Shadow.
You can only lose it if the energy is sucked out
Sonic apparently mentioned remaining in Super form too long will cause one to disappear (no idea how he knows it, he just does).
10:19 I'm glad that in the Origins remake, it was retconned to be Hyper Tails while the Flickyless version from Mania is brought in as Super Tails, used by getting the Chaos Emeralds so Tails is no longer left out.
This game is definitely my favorite. There are so many things that make it so awesome!
This video has a new record for the lowest sin count, with only 43 sins.
I like the attention to detail of putting this video in 4:3 just like Charriii’s video.
Funny thing about Charriii complaining about the Giant Eggman Robo's fingers, when he brings up Heat Arms (Lava Reef's act 1 boss) if you're Super/Hyper Sonic, Super Tails or Super/Hyper Knuckles you can cheese Heat Arms itself by just waiting while Spin-Dashing. Oddly enough it's one of the few moments in Sonic 3&K/Sonic & Knuckles where getting crushed only works if you aren't Spin-Dashing.
Also, if you go out of your way to destroy the tendrils that Heat Arms uses (which return in Sonic Mania during the Oil Ocean act 2 fight) then the boss skips the tendril phase and will just keep trying to squish you like a bug until it gets destroyed. The tendrils take four hits each, paring that with Heat Arms' own six hits means the boss can take fourteen hits which is the same number of hits it takes for the Egg Inferno to be defeated by its own iron balls (which can be reduced to 8 hits in Sonic 3 A.I.R.).
2:49 Attempting to remember a different youtuber, but one thing that I thought was interesting is that when accessing the mushroom hill one at the beginning, theres an animation thats a callback to the ending of sonic 1 where sonic gets confused as the emeralds disappear, however in this game, sonic actually watches it happen, which hints that maybe he’s seen this before. Not to mention is that flashing giant ring available in just sonic 3 and knuckles, or only when using the dual tech?
If you can only access that flashing ring in S3&K, then as Tony and others have stated, the game was intended to be a full game until they decided to go with the lock on tech, the idea of tails having super, knuckles/sonic having hyper form, and the idea of giant chaos emeralds, could be a case of gameplay/story segregation, the reality most likely was (at the time), that it was just super forms, and they wanted to make it easier for people to abuse and have fun after playing the games separate.
The reason Hyper Sonic hasn't returned in any official Sonic game (as much as I, too, would love to see it; imagine fighting the Titans in Frontiers as Hyper Sonic) is because Takashi Iizuka is adamant about not having tiers of super forms like in Dragon Ball which would get confusing.
Nice video nice video. I’m still waiting for a canonical explanation of the whole Knux/ Super thing, since there’s so many answers like, he used his Chaos energy to force the Emeralds out of him, or he brought the Master Emerald and used its energy to force the Emeralds out of him but y’know I guess that’s just one of those mysteries that we’ll never discover the answer to, it’s right up there with what Pot of Greed does…. And with regards to machanical lifeforms transforming using Chaos Energy, well we don’t have many examples to go off of, just Super Mecha Sonic, Ultimate Gemerl and technically Metal Madness and Metal Overlord and potentially Classic Metal Sonic. But seeing as the Emeralds turn thoughts into power, and can have their power channeled without needing thoughts or sentience, robots most likely just absorb the energy the Emeralds exude and then channel it into another form of energy, like how the Chaos Energy Cannon and Eclipse Cannon work, which would then make the robot become what their coding would assume is the most direct way to fulfill their directives, which for Mecha Sonic and Classic Metal Sonic was just a power boost, probably since they were built as the strongest robots and thereby would assume they are already the best of their capabilities, while Modern Metal Sonic completely rebuilt itself using debris from the destroyed Final Fortress, due to needing absolute power, and Gemerl created an absolute defense with ranged claws and lasers in order to keep distance and prevent destruction through his defences, which would thereby show that it may not even be that it’s something that Eggman would need to or even be able to program, other than just making his robots able to store and channel all types of energy through their natural power tank and energy exchange capabilities, as long as they can channel Chaos they can use it, which also would give him the awareness for the possibility of some sort of Chaos Energy Cannon type of weapon, since Chaos is the constant, and the one who controls the Chaos always wins. Also, I’d say references are usually fine, since how are people supposed to learn about new things without referential things in the things they watch and play? Maybe not for full on sins, half at most, but still references play a major role in life on the whole. As for the half sentences that aren’t scripted, that’s most likely the case, they WEREN’T scripted, and weren’t originally in the sin, and so they weren’t transcribed into the pre-written subtitles, prior to voicing. But also, it’s cool to see that you two are getting more common ground and agreeing on more things, since this was kind of a ‘debunking’ type thing, it’s cool to see that he’s written more stuff that’s kinda ‘undebunkable’ now y’know? And of course, as usual, you may say spelling errors in games are just nitpicks, but nitpicks can be sins, so they can work for both of you and all. And keep it up, I can’t wait to see which the next one is, it’ll be a Sonic game for sure haha.
Sa2 he can sense chaos energy in Hero Story
6:44 the mini boss is called "Hey-Ho" and the song lyrics go "Hey! Ho! Let's go!" Btw, the song is called Blitzkrieg Bop by Ramones.
Out of all the Classic Sonic games, this one is the best along with Mania.
Got a chuckle seeing the Somecallmejohnny 3&K Review reference
THE FLICKY ARMY OF DEATH SHALL NEVER BE STOPPED
7:41 i have been listening to that joke you made multiple times and it never gets old. genuinely got a good laugh out of me
The hydro- cutoff did give me a chuckle
Well thanks for beating me to the video. In all fairness, I did enjoy your points and criticisms and if I’m going to be honest, this was just a video Charriii did so quickly without much effort because he forgot to finish the series.
Quick question regarding editing, how do you do your sin counter? Is there a special way via editing or do you individually make a new title card for every sin?
I just use the text option for the sin counter and replace every sentence with another one with a slight difference.
Hey, that's pretty funny. "Video charriii did so quickly without much effort." Are you sure you mean charriii and not TONY? idk, I think that describes most of the eww videos he's done.
2:03 On the sonic 4 website, it used to have recaps of past games, one of which says that knuckles “pulled a cheap shot “ and got the chaos emeralds
Note: I don’t hate Tony Sonic. I’m just pointing out his mistakes.
0:53-It still sounds weird when you say it out loud, though. (1)
1:36-Theories ain’t facts, just speculations. And even then, how is that Chariii’s fault? (2)
2:36-Fire shields exist for a reason. And no, game logic isn’t a counterargument. (3)
4:04-If typos aren’t sins, this ain’t either. (4)
4:36-Dude, both you and Chariii missed the point of this fight: Tails still has his limits, as shown by the rest of the game, yet he’s FORCED to push himself past them. The teamwork between these two makes this my favorite non-final boss fight in the game. And for not realizing that, you get 10 sins. (14)
5:12-I’ve… actually never known what it did myself. Thanks. (13)
5:43-I mean, don’t you see the resemblance? (14)
6:57-Why did Eggman program it that way, then? (15)
7:57-Not an excuse. That form has been shown to be invincible to EVERYTHING in its path. Including rocks and boulders. (16)
8:12-Again, if typos aren’t sins, this ain’t either. (17)
8:55-Missed sin: Knuckles fell on his ass, not his head. (18)
10:53-“Tony sins Chariii for having a different opinion” cliche. (19)
12:21-AGAIN, if typos aren’t some, this ain’t either. (20)
13:17-Personally mocking Chariii. (30)
Sin Count: 30
Sentence: Super forms gone defective… and Knuckles
It's great to see the EWWs back again, even though I haven't played this game or watched Charriii's video.
0:00 I've been thinking that maybe you might want to add to your disclaimer that most of what you say in your videos doesn't apply to Charriii as a person and just what he says in his videos.
0:17 It's better than the wait for his Paper Jam video since this video wasn't the worst thing he created.
4:03 I've seen the sin counter not increase before, but I haven't seen it increase more than it should have before.
4:24 Even Charriii can't believe when he's good at something.
5:12 Also he's using Super Sonic! If he wasn't using it maybe he would find out.
13:17 Was that supposed to sound like DT?
Also, why wasn't there an outro? Also, Sonic Rivals 2 sins coming soon.
0:00 I think I’ll do that.
13:17 That was more of a happy accident.
@@tonysonic456 13:17 I always like seeing that happen.
@@tonysonic456 Here are the sins.
Sin # 3: "Charriii sins characterization" cliche.
Sin # 4: Gross.
Sin # 7: Because gameplay.
Sin # 9: "Charriii sins the series' most prominent line" cliche.
Sin # 14: "Charriii answers himself" cliche.
Sin # 18: "Charriii makes a pop culture reference that isn't a sin of the game" cliche.
Sin # 27: "Charriii sins the series' most prominent line" cliche.
Sin # 32: Stop with that joke already.
Sin # 36: "Charriii answers himself" cliche.
Sin # 38: "Charriii sins the same thing twice" cliche.
Sin # 41: "Charriii sins a pun yet continues to make them" cliche.
Sin # 51: No subtitles at the end. "Charriii doesn't properly edit his videos" cliche.
Sin # 57: "Charriii sins characterization" cliche.
Sin # 59: "Charriii answers himself" cliche.
Sin # 60: That contradicts your last sin!
Sin # 63: "Charriii answers himself" cliche.
Sin # 70: "Charriii sins characterization" cliche.
Sin # 74: Okay, and the sin is...?
Sin # 78: "Charriii answers himself" cliche.
Sin # 84: You're still making that joke?
Sin # 89: "Charriii sins something he likes" cliche.
Sin # 95: "Charriii answers himself" cliche.
I did not have much to say here. Again, probably because I had no idea what was going on.
This has to be the most time you removed sins for Charlie which I don’t know why it’s the part that interest me but it just is
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite Sonic game, I found all of the giant rings in mushroom hill using debug mode. I also use debug mode when knuckles through the giant border at Sonic, and skip the boss fight with Eggman and went straight to Hidden Palace.
FLICKY ARMY OF DEATH
Ah yes, one of my favorite Somecallmejohnny quotes.
13:23 that second "ding" was slightly delayed, and It made me feel slightly homicidal for 0.8 seconds.
@@DShy96 I edited it, there
I remember when this game was released. I loved it. Knuckles was so cool.
A veteran, aye?
@@kinggalactix yep lol.
@@ningrlpwr nice to seea how old were you when the first Sonic game came out?
@@kinggalactix I was 9 or 10. I didn’t really get into it until Sonic 2 though.
@@ningrlpwr interesting. What's your favorite Sonic game?
Like I Said I Never Played the Original Games as I Grew Up with the Mario Franchise as well as Kinda Crash and Spyro,Hell I wasn’t Born when the First Sonic Game Came Out,However Sonic the Hedgehog 3 or better known as Sonic 3 & Knuckles is Perhaps the First Game in the Franchise that Started Adding Lore,Yes Metal is Technically Sonic’s First Rival that’s His Complete Pural Opposite and Shadow is Sonic’s Equal Different at the Same Time to a Rivalry Between Someone with God Like Power with Speed that looks and Feels like the Wind and the Other being a Demigod with a Large Collection to the Power of Chaos,Knuckles the Echidna to Many is the First Sonic Rival that Follows the Complexity from a Treat to a Misunderstood Introvert and Honorable Warrior that’s was manipulated by Robotnit and Later On the Red Echidna being One of Sonic’s Best Friends,Allies,in a Way having a Brotherly Bond while still having some Rivalry and being Competitive,Plus I Describe Sonic and Knuckles both as A Unstoppable Force and a Unmovable Object to their Powers and Personalities,Sonic 3 & Knuckles has a Important Place in Many Fans Hearts that to Some is the Best a game in the Franchise with the Risks and Stakes being Completely High,I’m Looking Forward to Play the Game when I Get the Chance.
Fun Fact 6:39. He was referencing the name of the Mid boss of Mushroom Hill. Look it up and you will see what he ment.
1:45 If you agree there’s no explanation why sin him
2:47 yes but fire hurts them you even see this in the footage so how are they unharmed from the bombardment
Sin for neither of you using a widescreen version
Missed sins (maybe I didn’t watch Charri’s whole video: Flying battery has no knuckles exclusive areas
Knuckles change in shoe color is inconsistent between the two perspectives (I know why it happens given the hud value but it’s still distracting)
1:45 I never said I agreed with him. I provided a potential answer to his query. Granted, it’s not confirmed, but it’s still a very much plausible explanation. There’s also another theory that the buried Phantom Ruby was triggered when Super Sonic flew by which caused his invincibility to be rendered null.
2:47 Charriii’s point was that they shouldn’t have survived that when one of them would go on to survive re-entry TWICE.
Also, the reason he used the fullscreen version I’m willing to bet was for authenticity.
@@tonysonic456 also surprised that he didn’t sin how easy it is to avoid the airship missle in Angel Island
I apologize for being late, but Tony seems to be under the assumptions that theories debunk charriii's points, even though that's a stupid ideal of thinking because you can't counter someone with a theory since theories are not FACTUAL.
That flicky army of death bit was from somecallme Johnny,s sonic and knuckles video
It is rumored that Michael Jackson made the soundtrack for Sonic 3 & K but it was told that he wasn't happy with the results and ended up nowhere near the credits.
Also as usual, you do a good job showing the flaws that Charriii never thought about it.
You uploaded this before the video even premiered, so saying that last part before even watching this shows you're a blind fan, how bout you do us a favor and stop being toxic, ok
@@sussy-sonic Don't care, doesn't matter
Stop being an ungrateful person and a annoying Sonic fan.
@@DShy96 Do you want me to change my mind and stop watching Tony?
It’s not really rumored anymore. I’m pretty sure yuji naka confirmed it now on Twitter
@@DShy96 So, in a previous comment section, I called you a troll. I'd like to apologize for that. It was uncalled-for.
Ok so heres my 1st rebuttal, and only expect me to do these for the shorter vids
Sin 1: wow, youre willing to waste 5 sins over him taking a long time to upload, its really not that big of a deal (+5 sins)
Sin 6: he wasn't making a joke, he was pointing out the the way they put the title and possibly how its really weird (+1 sin)
Sin 7:ok, ill give you that one (-1 sin)
Sin 12: ill agree with you on letting people pronounce it the way they want to, but editing errors, while bigger than typos, are still ignorable, also you're getting 10 sins every time you insult charriii starting the next time it happens (+2 sins)
Sin 16: there's nothing wrong with references, sure they have nothing to do with the game, but there still cool (+1 sin)
Sin 17: yeah it doesn't, to me anyway (-1 sin)
Sin 27: see sin 16 (+1 sin)
Sin 28: also see sin 16 (+1 sin)
Sin 31: its still stupid for not getting the idea to wait for sonic to move off his head, from a narrative perspective anyway (+1 sin)
Sin 32: why does it matter which version (+1 sin)
Sin 40:just because only 15% of people who answered that said it was painful doesn't mean that there arent others out there who find it to be annoying, plus its just his opinion, also tony insults charriii (+11 sins)
Sin 41: see sin 12 (+1 sin)
Sin total: 23
Sentence: Mania might as well be sonic 4
Thats my 1st rebuttal, let me know your thoughts everyone!
The sin total was actually 23 not 24, I miscounted lol, ill go back and edit it
I'll see if he wants to
Everything here is correct
Hey everyone. So you prolly remember that I made my 1st TS response to this. And I figured to show how far I've come, id remake it. So let's get into it.
Sin 5: Okay ill admit its kinda ridiculous but you're making it into a way bigger deal than it is (1)
Sin 6: 1st, TS forces his sense of humor cliche, 2nd, He wad also simply pointing out how dumb the title is (5)
Sin 7: Even putting aside how theories aren't sins without good proof. You realize that the Adventure games came out after this game right? And before you say that you can use things from future games to support your point because Charriii did in his Origins video. Heres a bit of a quote: just cus guy 1 shoots someone and gets away with it doesnt mean it gives guy 2 a free pass (6)
Sin 9: Ignoring that this is a joke. They aren't invincible against fire yknow. There's literally a shield in the game that protects you from it. (7)
Sin 11: Tony sins jokes yet continues to make them cliche (10)
Sin 13: So its okay for you to nitpick? Again. The only time I'm taking them as sins is if they happen in constant succession like in his Paper Jam video. (13)
Sin 16: Tony sins humor cliche. And since this happens again with the Jetsons joke and Ice cap mini b0oss, ill make this 6 sins to spare yall the trouble (19)
Sin 26: Tony uses stolen jokes wrong cliche (20)
Sin 27 sin removal: Same (17)
Sin 28: TS sins humor cliche (20)
Sin 31: I have a feeling he's sinning it due to how piss easy it is. No sin tho since its easy to miss.
Sin 32: So you don't 100% understand the sin but you still sin him? TS pads the video cliche (21)
Sin 34: See sin 12. And im making this 6 since it happens again (27)
Sin 36: Tony sins humor cliche (30)
Sin 39: Opinion. Unless you can find unbiased people complaining. Its not a sin (33)
Sin 40: 1st, insulting Charriii with the get gud line. 2nd, that just your biased fans. And the poll results did eventually change so its rendered moot. (44)
Sin 43: TS insults Charriii and sins humor cliche (57)
Bonus sin round: How bloated is the video?
So out of curiosity, I decided to do something that might be fun. I recorded the video and used my editing software to see how long it is woth just the padding and theories and shit. Do you wanna know? Well ill tell you: 6 mins and 6 secs. Which is nearly 50 percent of the video and the length with only the parts with actual significance is 6 mins and 18 secs. In other words. Only 52% of the video is actually significant and the other 48 percent is a waste of time, so to make up for that heres 48 sins (105)
This just makes me realize how much DS has taught me and how far I've come. Anyways. Have a good day.
I'd also like to point out sin 41. I get that he sinned Charriii5 for not properly editing that part of the video, but he called it a cliche, something that he's never even pointed out before let alone Charriii actually making. Everyone makes mistakes, so he shouldn't have made that sin. In fact he should have removed a sin for Charriii making a good point about not being able to spindash underneath the fingers to damage them until the final boss
1:08 Oh, finally you talk about that idea! Also, no, it's not something wrong with the game. Charriii is talking out of his glutes.
Cinema sins style videos should have other counters if they have more to say than just saying their problems with not just games, but anything.
4:06 😄 I didn't even notice that one. Guess i have to edit MY comment once again.(i already edited it one time to actually answer Charriii about the ultra wrong Super Tails sin.)
13:18 Is that Dark Tony? The voice kind of sounded like Dark Tony.
Sentence: Yeah, i agree. They really should bring back the Super Emeralds and Hyper forms.
I was still more harsh towards Charriii than you. I think that's a trend now. Now, let me edit my comment for the 2nd time.
Alright! Awesome!
I knew the end card message would be to bring back Hyper Sonic!!! Yes!!!!!
Disclaimer: I like TonySonic's content. I am merely pointing out his mistakes.
Everything wrong with the video:
Sin 6: That wasn't a joke. Charriii was sinning the weird title screen. +1 sin.
Sin 7: Regarding the fact that theories are not sins, this game came out before the Sonic Adventure games. Why are you making a theory based on games which at the time didn't exist yet? +1 sin.
Sin 9: Sonic and Tails may not be human, but that doesn't mean that they cannot be damaged by fire. In which they can as shown in levels like Lava Reef and Flying Battery Zone. Hell, there is even a power up in this game that specifically protects you from fire. Sonic and Tails may not be normal, but don't expect them to be immortal. +1 sin.
Sin 13: Tony is a hypocrite cliche. +1 sin.
Sin 26: He said dick. Not boner. There's a difference you know. +1 sin.
Sin 32: 6:44 +1 sin.
Sin 34: Tony is a hypocrite cliche x2. +1 sin.
Sin 39: Tony is biased cliche. +1 sin.
Sin 40: Just because most people cheesed the boss with Hyper Sonic doesn't mean there are people who don't like this fight. In other words, Tony is biased cliche x2. +1 sin.
Sin 41: Tony is a hypocrite cliche x3. +1 sin.
Total Sin Count: 10
Sentence: Sonic Life 3 (and Knuckles)
1:54 My own theory is that because Sonic doesn't have too much experience with the Chaos Emeralds, unintentionally using them to turn South Island back to normal, and canonically not using them until around the end game to turn into Super Sonic in Sonic 2. Sonic exposes himself to the Emeralds very frequently, but he never truly controls their power until Sonic 3, shown in comparison with Sonic 2. Sonic in Sonic 2 would transform any time he jumped, where the Chaos Emeralds acted on their own and overflowed with power and energy, causing his rough transformation into Super Sonic, Sonic in between 2 and 3&K learns how to somewhat control the Emeralds' power but not to a large extent, then when the events of Sonic 3 roll around, Sonic can transform at will, but can't fully contain the Emeralds' power, then Knuckles comes along, who has more experience with handling the Emeralds because of the Master Emerald, catches Super Sonic off guard, and has the blood of the previous Master Emerald Guardians flowing through his veins, he easily knocks away Sonic, and due to Sonic's inexperience with the Emeralds, with that strong of a blow, the Emeralds fly out of him. By the end of 3, Sonic has learned more about the Chaos Emeralds to the point (even if it's not canon) that he can freely manipulate the energy to transform into Hyper Sonic.
Also 4:05 the 2 sins could be because of the 2 ways to pronounce Hydrocity.
12:26 IT'S OVER 9000!!!
WHAT, 9000!!
TonySonic: takes away a sin
Charrii: haha no add it back
Interesting we waited this long for a Sonic 3 sin video so I guess the other 2d games will come soon also no outro well it's sonic rivals so understandable I'm up for it.
This is an awesome video TS
You should do his Sonic Origins video.
3:13 and its make you explore the game more because in sonic 2 you can just collect 50 rings and go in it which is boring so in sonic 3aK it makes you explore the levels more
The “flicky army of death”
Is a reference to someonecallmejohnny
Yes it is, but sadly, someone else beat you to it.
@@tonysonic456 it’s ok
You should’ve taken a sin off at 8:06, since the sin counter not going up makes up for it going up by two at 4:01.
Oh yes, Sonic
0:20 you think that’s bad? He’s still yet to do Jak 2 or Metal Gear Solid 2 (though I think the latter got a copyright strike which might’ve killed motive to do so)
@@DShy96 yeah but no excuse on us not getting Jak 2 or the other Spyro games yet
@@DShy96 I’m taking about the post PS1 games
12:00
I struggled with Chemical Plant Zone in Sonic 2 give him a break
Seriously? Chemical Plant isn’t hard at all.
I kinda feel bad for you Tony, because you got guys harassing you to stop uploading videos and do you own thing,
Plus your video are really great and entertaining, I don't know why they say that you are harassing chariii, in reality they are harassing you
And plus you aren't bad at all, they can't see what greatness if it came up and punched them in the face.
Thanks buddy.
@@tonysonic456
No problem
I was referring to other people who said it
(2:36) How is them being enhanced critters prevent them from getting burned alive?
(4:36) Or maybe he can actually fly infinitely? Just like how Sonic is faster than he is in gameplay
(4:53) It kind of does, let's honest.
2:36 Sonic would go on to survive reentering the atmosphere and taking the impact from the fall like it was nothing in Sonic Advance 2.
4:36 I doubt Tails can fly infinitely. Then again, we don’t really know exactly how long he can fly for in canon.
4:53 I suppose if you squint and tilt your head, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s gross.
@@tonysonic456(2:36) Those two I kind of get but it still doesn't justify your point. Maybe he won't die from fire immediately but he will still be able to get burned (Look at Sonic the Werehog). It's like saying Sonic can survive drowning underwater simply because he's anthropomorphic which is honestly a dumb argument to be honest.
(4:36) Well I'm sure he can anyway. I don't believe he actually gets tired eventually. Like you said jn 06, character's abilities are toned down for the sake of gameplay.
(4:53) It’s called adult humour. Maybe you don't like it but I think it's funny and I'm not going pretend I don't like it.
@@BJSolar02 2:36 Let me put it this way. Sonic can run faster than light, yes? Therefore, he obviously needs to be tough enough to tank crashing into anything in his path.
4:53 I get that it’s adult humor, but there needs to be a punchline. Where is it?
@@tonysonic456 (2:36) I get it, and you're not wrong, and I.. kind of see your point..not really though
(4:53) Oh, I see..I think?
@@DShy96 Yeah I just realised it when you pointed it and for whatever reason I blindly agree
I actually laughed at chariii's vid on this, I wonder if you can make me do the same here. I did feel some of the point chariii made we're valid but i wonder if that will change? who knows? I'll edit this comment later when the vid tomorrow after work
edit: watched the video, original vid is still funny but still has some flaws, this one still is funny and has some good points, but one sin where knuckles knocked Sonic out of his superform is kinda iffy since chariii fought knuckles with hyper sonic yet he was close to the master emerald. I still think gamerguyd7aces made out super sonic triggering the phantom ruby seems more accurate since Sonic mania displayed the chaos emeralds being sent away because of it.
Well, the normal bosses aren’t meant to be fought with Super or Hyper Sonic.
Fair enough still tho pretty good video, I like both this one and Chariii's vid on it
Also more recently today, Chariii released everything wrong with sonic origins. wonder if i'll see any mistakes their. Tbh your videos kind of helped me see some of the flaws in his vids. I mean i still love them but flaws are flaws none the less
My question is ,how would you even get Sonic 3 & K on a normal Sega Genesis system anyways?
Most of the time, I check Ebay for old games. Sure, some are hella expensive, but there's always a good price out there.
@@DShy96 Really? I’ve found it my go-to site for old games. I even bought a PSP and GBA from there.
I bought one for 10 dollars and actually restored it to give it to good hands to take care of it.
@TonySonic do you ever think that charriii5 doesn't include subtiles sometimes because what says is not in his script?
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn’t. Do you know if it is?
@@tonysonic456 it's the most likely reason
Are you still gonna do these types of videos with chariii5 sinning sonic games after the year sonic is over
Only Frontiers because that’s a holiday release.
2:36 Fire shields exist for a reason. And no, gameplay logic doesn’t count.
Hey TonySonic so i think its obvous that youl do a Sonic game ranking at the end of the year so i thoght i would land my predictions for the list asuming you arent adding any more games here they are:
Sonic the Hedgehog: Top 20
Sonic the Hedgehog CD: Top 30
Sonic the Hedgehog 2: Top 10
Sonic the Hedgehog 3: Top 10, possobly Top 5
Sonic Adventure: Top 20
Sonic Adventure 2: Top 20
Sonic Heros: Top 5
Shadow the Hedgehog: Top 40, Possobly the Worst
Sonic Avdvanced: Top 30
Sonic Advanced 2: Top 30
Sonic Advanced 3: Top 30
Sonic the Hedgehog 2006: Top 30, possobly Top 20
Sonic Riders: Top 20
Sonic Battle: Top 20
Sonic Rush: Top 10
Sonic Rush Adventure: Top 20, possobly Top 10
Sonic Rivals: Top 30
Sonic Rivals 2: Top 30
Sonic and the Secret Rings: Top 30
Sonic Chronicals The Dark Brotherhood: Top 40 possobly The Worst
Sonic Riders Zero gravity: Top 20
Sonic Free Riders: Top 40, possobly The Worst
Sonic Colors (Wii version): Top 5, possobly Top 3, Possobly The Best
Sonic Colors (DS version): Top 20
Sonic Unleshed (PS3/Xbox 360 version): Top 10
Sonic Unleshed ( Wii version): Top 20
Sonic Generations ( PS3/Xbox 360/PC version): Top 10, below Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations (3ds version): Top 30, Possobly Top 20
Sonic Lost World (Wii U version): Top 20
Sonic Lost World (3ds version): Top 40, possobly Top 30
Sonic and the Black Knight: Top 30, possobly Top 20
Sonic 4 Episode 1: Top 40
Sonic 4 Episode 2: Top 40, higher than Episode 1
Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric: Top 40
Sonic Boom Shaterd Cristal: Top 30
Sonic Boom Fire and Ice: Top 30
Sonic Mania: Top 5
Sonic Forces: Top 20
Team Sonic Racing: Top 20
Sonic Frontiers: Top 20, possobly Top 10
10:35 THE COOKIE IS MINE!
You gotta say it first. Who did I reference?
@@tonysonic456 Somecallmejohnny
@@SooperDeformedBomberman Correct! 🍪 Here you go!
@TonySonic 4:54 how would you know? Also what do mean by that?
I’ve played the game and fought the boss. Look it up and you’ll see what I mean.
@@tonysonic456 ok cool
This is a great video. I am excited for the next one like always
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the next video is Sonic Rivals 2.
Way to be a buzzkill bruh
2:36
It's been shown many times that Sonic and Tails can be damaged by fire and explosions (even in this very game) so them being able to survive this entire area of Angel Island being set on fire seems very questionable even by this world's standards. And the fact that no signs of pain is shown also adds to the confusion
They may be able to be hurt by it, but given that one of them can survive re-entering the atmosphere, it's not that unbelievable.
@@tonysonic456 fair but even then, Sonic still did show signs of pain there unlike here where he just... Stands there with the same dead expression on his 16 bit face.
@@WrongJoke06 plus he says it's not unbelievable, but what he fails to realize (or stupidly ignores) is that sonic can be damaged by lava and by fire enemies in this game. They should've gotten hurt. It's an inconsistency within this game. Also, notice how he says one of them and not both. Just because sonic can survive re-entering into the earth's atmosphere doesn't mean tails can. not every sonic character has the same level of durability and he knows this. Also, notice how he's trying to use a game that came out after sonic 3 and k in order to explain something why something in THIS game doesn't make sense.
I agree with Sonic and Tails being insanely durable but firebreath set even the area under there feet on fire and they dont even have burn marks.
that cinemasin title noise right with the "beat drop" (Idk if that counts) sounded clean
I actually really like the humber segment it's fun and memorable
I wish they bring back hyper sonic I like his modern design a white body with a rainbow aura
If typos aren't a sin as you have said many times before, how come him forgetting to put text in is, he still says it you can hear him, as Charriii5 would say "what are the rules damn it" 12:20
10:36
Isnt that from Game Apologist?
Nope. Guess again.
@@tonysonic456 Damn that was fast-
Lets go char- I mean tony sonic you can do it (plus sonic3&k isn't a perfect game atall)
2:35 yeah, but they still would got hurt by all the fire of the Island, right? Even If they are not human, is not like they have fire resistance.
Sonic 3 AND Knuckles, Is game favorite Sonic
12:55 which isn’t canon on the power level, like it could be that, or the Super Emeralds are equal to the Master Emerald
I know this is unrelated but when did they add bullying in Tails' backstory? I mean, it's nowhere in the sonic 2 manual. Did sonic origins retconned that game or did sonic team retcon the backstory in sonic adventure?
I think Origins added that in.
It's in the Japanese Sonic 2 manual
1:46 but wouldn't Knuckles be Super as well, given that he's using the master emerald's energy. Mecha Sonic used the master emerald's power and it turned Super. I'm sticking with Sonic 4's answer (unfortunately) because that game was the only thing to give us an official answer.
Knuckles punching the Chaos Emeralds out of Super Sonic is an in-game thing cos we never see it in future Sonic games. Be realistic, if we started Sonic 3&K with Super Sonic, the game wouldn’t be fun. So we obviously need a way to make the game a challenge and although it never happens in other games, Knuckles taking the emeralds from Super Sonic is a way to do that.
4:04 but tony I thought typos weren’t sins and were nitpicks
Yes, but this is bigger than a typo.
@@ethanpena4294plus he stated in another video that he doesn’t like repeating himself so don’t get what double standards he’s trying to use
@@ethanpena4294 and the multiple times we’re he slandered Brandon in the sonic hero’s video and sa1 video we’re he called Brandon a pedo for making a joke that was on screen
@@tonysonic456 so apparently, a simple miscount isn't minor in your eyes (even though it's an extremely minor mistake that doesn't affect the enjoyment of the video for a majority of people besides you and your fanbase since they're the minority) Also, you yourself made a censoring error, so I don't want to hear it. Funny, the games make a typo, you forgive it in a heart beat, but when charriii makes mistakes, he's in the wrong. Really interesting how that works.
@@earlrice8095 Hypocrisy, am I right?
Any plans to do his video on Origins there seemed to be a few sins that were a direct response to you
There were, but not anymore.
@@tonysonic456 any reason for scrapping it
@@skibot9974 Yeah. I’m done doing EWWs.
@@tonysonic456 were too many fans harrasing Charri or do you just not like doing them anymore
@@skibot9974 Both.
4:28 I think I've actually done that before so it's certainly possible. Just requires skill or luck
5:04 I assumed you had to jump in order to move the platform. Younger me was so stupid. 🤦
6:41 yeah... I don't understand the correlation either
10:28 part of me thought maybe Tails couldn't go super with the chaos emerald because he was too young and that the super emeralds made things alot easier.
10:38 SomecallmeJohnny, I would like my cookie now.
Sorry, someone got it before you.
Clarification for 6:41. He was referencing the name of the Mid boss of Mushroom Hill. Look it up and you will see.
Oh the theory at the 6th sin was so wrong if he only knew
I watched his Sonic Origins video before any of the original classic game videos, so hearing all those different takes on the exact same sins feels _really_ weird. ._.
@TonySonic The mini boss In mushroom hill zone is called the hey ho.
1:36 Theories aren’t facts, just speculations. And even then, how is that Chariii’s fault?
He did origins... I'm going to enjoy your video sinning him again.
That probably won't happen for a little bit.
6:40 if I had to guess, the ,, sin" Is that the boss's name is "Hey-ho", so now you know.... I still don't know why that's a sin
Charriii5 just now did a video on Everything Wrong With Sonic Origins and most of the sins in the video are the same in his sonic 1 sonic, 2 Sonic CD, sonic 3 And K and i will not stand for this at all !
7:44_That looks nothing like the fnaf endoskeleton.
Tony about the bot DID U REMEMBER U ADDED 5 SINS AT THE BEGINNING
Yes I remember.
If I might ask, why was there no outro for this video?
Because this was an extra video that wasn't planned. I didn't expect Charriii to cover Sonic 3&K.
Question, are you going to an eww on his sonic chronicles the dark brotherhood video?
Yes I am.
4:00 to 8:07
I guess the counter realized it’s earlier mistake and remedied it or something
Don't forget to do Charii's EWW Sonic origins!
Can I request Sonic Unleashed and Sonic and the Black Knight? They're some of my favorite games and alot of the sins he makes are completely unnecessary.
Don’t you worry. I’ll get to them soon.
@@tonysonic456 thank you! I am such a big fan of your rebuttals. I've seen nearly all of them. Impressive work!
Who do the Nerd voice you Tony?
Yep.
I don't like the character design but I like the game
i feel like you shoudl,ve sinned that he skipped act 2 of sandoplolist
Gotta be honest, I'm part of that 15%.
Did you try that tactic I mentioned?
Well I mean I did and I can't appreciate you enough for that but Jesus I used to struggle on this.