I said it in the twitch chat, but I want to put it here for permanence. I feel Stephen getting -1 for not casting his commander isn't in the spirit of what the rule is meant for, he cast it in the way that the card is meant to be cast and the rule is to punish "Commander for the Colors" decks not to punish Commanders with odd mechanics such as Hakkon and Yuriko, Tiger's Shadow.
@@merdehappens Nah, just apply the rule in the spirit in which it is intended. Stephen Cast his commander in the way that his commander was meant to be cast so it should be count.
The -1 comment was because the previous week he didnt cast his general, he shouldnt get -1 this week. They were joking that he had a pretty decent chance to get -1 this week as well.
I understand where ur coming from but he played the card knowing that there was a possibility to not play it. Thats on him. Its not like they did Randomonium and he got it. He chose the Handicap so I dont feel it would be a bad thing for him to get a -1 point.
Theme Idea: General and Lieutenant. Twist on build your own partner commanders. Choose a rare legend and an uncommon legend to both serve as your commander. additional options/restrictions: you have to cast your uncommon legend before you can cast your rare. Additionally, your uncommon can only attack/block if you control your rare. play more off of the "chain of command" idea.
You tap her and the trigger goes on the stack. This point it can be responded to but once you start the flip top card it is resolving so no one may respond at this point until it is done resolving
@@andrebogardus8098 Wrong. Go read her card rules. Literally the first note in her rules is: "Selvala’s parley ability is a mana ability. It doesn’t use the stack and can’t be responded to."
I want an episode where, they draft “keywords” and are limited to like one strong, 3 normal, 1 poor strength one. Maybe DrKyle comes up and they draft from them.
Woo, Jon picked and played my favouite EDH deck! Nin's Explosions has a special place in my heart as one of the first EDH decks I ever made, and I still have it built to this day, so it was great seeing it played on VS! I was a little disappointed it didn't really get to do its thing and cast any Explosions though; Jon being so far ahead on points (yet not ahead enough that Justin still had a chance to surpass him, as he ended up doing) made him into a huge target and really exposed the slow, clunky, gimmicky nature of the deck. And while the Repercussion+Blasphemous Act combo was cool, it's not really the focus of the deck, and ultimately might have been what killed Jon since it made Jeremy into his permanent enemy + put Jeremy low enough that Justin had the easy decision to Exsanguinate for the double kill. Oh well. Stephen's maniacal laughter at Scornful Egotist is exactly why I play the deck though. :) Thanks #CMDRVS crew!
Thank you all for another great season. Have you all ever done a Planes episode? Where each of you chooses a plane and plays with only cards from that world? I think that would be a lot of fun.
Ok maybe I shouldn't be advertising this deck on here, but I haven't seen a Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord deck done right or done at all so here's the link: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/he-went-to-jarad-semi-competitive/ This is a midrange deck focused on the graveyard, so it has elements of nic-fit, reanimator, and tooth and nail / survival of the fittest. The big combo is to find up Minion of the Wastes, have everyone else at less than 40 life, and then turn 9 kill by spending 40 life and using Jarad's ability to simultaneously kill everyone.
Possibly for gameplay reasons; he was far enough behind in the points total where winning the game wouldn't matter, so setting up a miserable lockdown where people couldn't beat him and just had to sit back and die (or not, Repercussions still would have got him) probably wouldn't have resulted in a fun game for anybody. Instead he got to put threats into play while not being unsurmountable.
I know tribal is a worn out theme but i would love to see a tribal video with the restriction that it cannot be a creature type that has ever been "featured" as a tribe
Why does Jeremy keep cracking his treasures and then leaving his lands untapped for the entire rotation? He could have saved so much extra mana over those turns if he'd tapped his lands before using treasures...
John you've made me so happy. I've won TWO games so far with my Varchild deck using that exact Repercussion + Blasphemous Act combo. I'm weeping with joy. Thank you.
It didn't end up mattering, but I don't understand why Stephen kept saccing Graveborn Muse to scry and extort at the end when he could just use Viscera Seer itself. GG
The April Fools Episode should be everyone plays a blue and green deck with a Jeremy mask on. That way he can get into first=P Will Jeremy be the best Jeremy?
Here I am catching up on my shows for VRs and im watching this and.... WHAT THE HELL!!!!! STEVE!! Why didnt you go nuts with the plaguecrafter?????? You could have kept his hand clean and board and get him. Face palms.
#TeamParnell. Justin, I have a deck for you. Now I know you hate Kamigawa, but I don't think the other three really understand why you hate it and they need to be instilled with fear of it. Reki, the History of Kamigawa is mono-green storm. You're gonna cast many spells each turn and keep drawing cards so you can keep casting legends. This is by far my favorite deck to play and I really want you to show off this underplayed Commander. Here's the decklist: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1446183#paper I included a deck deck description too. I'm going to keep posting this on every video until you play it. I'm a huge fan.
1/1/2011 Players can lose more life than they have. For example, say you’re playing a multiplayer game in which one of your opponents has 3 life and your other opponent has 10 life. If you cast Exsanguinate with X of 4, your opponents will wind up at -1 life and 6 life, respectively. You’ll gain 8 life.
Can someone respond to this with the amount of treasures made by smothering tithe, I am WAY too lazy to count it all up and whoever does will get the blessings of phelddagrif for all eternity:)) also very interested to see how OP that card was this game
@@Big_Dai basically completely unedited commander content is just painful to watch. I say this as someone that has been watching it since the the 1v1 commander days. It just drags on. MTG Muddstah and the Command zone have much better content and in a much more digestible size.
@@CodemanB2 I also like the mtg goldfish series they play on mtgo but everything is clear and the banter is there... but also the added "will mtgo crash and ruin the game today?"
another "Jeremy whines after making a power play" game, if they don't "destroy you" after you put out all that stuff, you just win, so they either dismantle you or they lose, welcome to the game.
Sometimes I feel he is justified for feeling upset but this is not one of those times. An example would be the 100th episode where he cast boundless realms.
@@andrebogardus8098 he whines about alot, and he isn't very good in general at the game and constantly fails to pay attention to things that should be happening with his cards, the others know this so much that they subtlety have changed their behaviors, in this game notice they constantly say "i've drawn a card" because otherwise he'd miss all his triggers.
I'd have to go back and check the tapes (which I'm not going to), but I wonder in how many games is Jeremy the first one to "go off" so-to-speak before he becomes archenemy and gets blown out by the table. One of the unspoken truths of commander is the first player to go off doesn't win (unless they win that turn). This game was particularly bad for him because he's playing a commander that had literally been giving his opponents more cards, so when he's the first to pop off they all have tons of resources to deal with him.
@@PiroMunkie well, and he chose the wrong cards with his defense of the heart, and after doing so didn't need to overextend with Blightsteel, but did so anyways.
Jeremy is complaining here about the pattern of him not doing anything, then making a big play, then dying. Well, if you know what the problem is, you should work on a solution instead of complaining. If you're playing like that, either make sure that your play really is big enough to win, or make a smaller play that doesn't turn the entire table against you. In other words, Jeremy fails at politics. If triggering Defense of the Heart doesn't immediately win you the game, maybe hold back a bit on the creatures you find. In fact, Elesh and Avacyn specifically were a terrible duo to search for in this instance, since they're both hated cards that turn people against you (granted, Avacyn much more so than Elesh), but it would actually take Jeremy quite a lot of turns to win with them. In short, the only thing he accomplished was to paint a giant target on his head.
So... No commander damage bonus point in my opinion. Point of commander damage is "I know you're not dead by loss of life... But I've hit you so hard with my commander that we're going to count that as a kill" Stephen was dead to combat damage, commander or not. Commander damage kills are holy things, let's not besmirch them.
This was the most miserable drawn out end to a game you guys have ever had. The last HOUR is just nobody having a good time. This is not what this format is about. Terrible episode. Do better, please.
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I said it in the twitch chat, but I want to put it here for permanence.
I feel Stephen getting -1 for not casting his commander isn't in the spirit of what the rule is meant for, he cast it in the way that the card is meant to be cast and the rule is to punish "Commander for the Colors" decks not to punish Commanders with odd mechanics such as Hakkon and Yuriko, Tiger's Shadow.
Maybe it should be changed to "-1 if your commander hasn't left the command zone once when the game ends." or something similar.
@@merdehappens Nah, just apply the rule in the spirit in which it is intended. Stephen Cast his commander in the way that his commander was meant to be cast so it should be count.
The -1 comment was because the previous week he didnt cast his general, he shouldnt get -1 this week. They were joking that he had a pretty decent chance to get -1 this week as well.
@@vitalmagic3709 Nope, he got -1 this week for not casting his general "from the command zone" this week too.
I understand where ur coming from but he played the card knowing that there was a possibility to not play it. Thats on him. Its not like they did Randomonium and he got it. He chose the Handicap so I dont feel it would be a bad thing for him to get a -1 point.
Theme Idea: General and Lieutenant. Twist on build your own partner commanders. Choose a rare legend and an uncommon legend to both serve as your commander. additional options/restrictions: you have to cast your uncommon legend before you can cast your rare. Additionally, your uncommon can only attack/block if you control your rare. play more off of the "chain of command" idea.
Could also be cool with any of the lieutenant ability creatures as lieutenants
Just for clarification, Selvala’s Parley ability may not be responded to because it is in fact a mana ability.
You tap her and the trigger goes on the stack. This point it can be responded to but once you start the flip top card it is resolving so no one may respond at this point until it is done resolving
@@andrebogardus8098 Wrong. Go read her card rules. Literally the first note in her rules is: "Selvala’s parley ability is a mana ability. It doesn’t use the stack and can’t be responded to."
Seeing Haakon, I'd LOVE to see an "unconventional Commanders" episode. Like Haakon vs Mishra vs Phage vs Iwamori or something along those lines.
Could even go with the return of Tetzimoc, but with how Stephen played him I'm not sure anyone would like that.
@@agent00puffball stephen also played mishra in season 6
Phage is an absolute powerhouse if you build it right, trust me there are better “unconventional Commanders”
@@Speetlebeetle All of the ones I listed can have some pretty sick builds, really. Mishra can be a monster, too.
@@Speetlebeetle I mean, Phage you just build mono black and pretend you don't have a commander, and you'd still have a powerhouse deck.
32:20 jeremy just passed the chance to take archetype of endurance and avacyn, angel of hope for instand GG.
Wouldn't have helped against Living Death, but yeah. That's what I would have done as well.
we didnt know about living death at this point, but you are right @@nickvencill7752
Partner commanders episode where the partners are the same legend but diffrent copies (like black and blue braids)
That’s pretty niche, unless you include PWs
I like how, even when the decks are submitted by other people, all of Jeremy's decks are similar
Thats how you make sure he picks your deck, make lots of mana
He gravitates towards big mana green stuff. Nothing wrong with that.
Nobody can say Stephen didn't try after holding on for this long!
For April fools they should have the VS live guys do commander and they do matches of whatever format they want. (Kamigawa Block Constructed)
Or do another episode of everyone has a mill deck except justin
big fan of the kamigawa block constructed
I want an episode where, they draft “keywords” and are limited to like one strong, 3 normal, 1 poor strength one. Maybe DrKyle comes up and they draft from them.
Woo, Jon picked and played my favouite EDH deck! Nin's Explosions has a special place in my heart as one of the first EDH decks I ever made, and I still have it built to this day, so it was great seeing it played on VS!
I was a little disappointed it didn't really get to do its thing and cast any Explosions though; Jon being so far ahead on points (yet not ahead enough that Justin still had a chance to surpass him, as he ended up doing) made him into a huge target and really exposed the slow, clunky, gimmicky nature of the deck. And while the Repercussion+Blasphemous Act combo was cool, it's not really the focus of the deck, and ultimately might have been what killed Jon since it made Jeremy into his permanent enemy + put Jeremy low enough that Justin had the easy decision to Exsanguinate for the double kill. Oh well.
Stephen's maniacal laughter at Scornful Egotist is exactly why I play the deck though. :) Thanks #CMDRVS crew!
Thanks for the list! I'm sorry we didn't get to see it shine like we both know it can!
Saw this comment and went and looked at the list. This is a really cool deck! Shame it didnt get to show off in the video.
Guys, you can lose more life than you have, just look up exsanguinate on gatherer, it clearly states it there.
Thank you all for another great season. Have you all ever done a Planes episode? Where each of you chooses a plane and plays with only cards from that world? I think that would be a lot of fun.
Dominaria and Ravnica would be pretty OP. 8 sets to choose from for the latter, and roughly a billion from the former.
they have... i think twice they built decks around only planes but they also did a planechase game where the planes come down from the middle
Ok maybe I shouldn't be advertising this deck on here, but I haven't seen a Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord deck done right or done at all so here's the link: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/he-went-to-jarad-semi-competitive/
This is a midrange deck focused on the graveyard, so it has elements of nic-fit, reanimator, and tooth and nail / survival of the fittest. The big combo is to find up Minion of the Wastes, have everyone else at less than 40 life, and then turn 9 kill by spending 40 life and using Jarad's ability to simultaneously kill everyone.
LOL Jon, that friend that plays ''different'' decks with the same key combos;P
Why Jeremy didn't get Archtype of Endurance with Avacyn from Defense of the Heart is beyond me
because Jeremy doesn't want to win. He would not be on the show if it wasn't for being their boss.
@@CodemanB2 Jeremy is only Kyle's boss- the rest of us are in a completely different part of the company.
Possibly for gameplay reasons; he was far enough behind in the points total where winning the game wouldn't matter, so setting up a miserable lockdown where people couldn't beat him and just had to sit back and die (or not, Repercussions still would have got him) probably wouldn't have resulted in a fun game for anybody. Instead he got to put threats into play while not being unsurmountable.
That’s not the way exsanguinate works. Each player loses X life, regardless of if they have less than X life to lose.
While true, it fortunately didn't end up mattering.
14:45 for start
Exsanguinate make you go negative so just should have gain 14 x3 instead of the life totals they had
Randpuff yes. How do they not know this?
@@ThePoesngatherer, also many things work like this
watching jeremy look at that blightsteel like "no jeremy it will immediately die"
15:01
Shout out to Dresden at 1:25.
“That is a real card” -Jeremy Noel, every game
I know tribal is a worn out theme but i would love to see a tribal video with the restriction that it cannot be a creature type that has ever been "featured" as a tribe
How does one submit a decklist for the fan deck episodes?
When did the rule change? It’s always been -1 for not casting your commander. The rule never said the command zone.
Why does Jeremy keep cracking his treasures and then leaving his lands untapped for the entire rotation? He could have saved so much extra mana over those turns if he'd tapped his lands before using treasures...
It's already the season finale!?
#TEAMPARNELL
Vindication tastes so sweet. I love Justin playing Black.
You guys should do an ep where your deck has to be every colour your commander ISN'T. (or that isn't in their colour identity)
Anyone else get the wrong link for decklists in the description??
John you've made me so happy. I've won TWO games so far with my Varchild deck using that exact Repercussion + Blasphemous Act combo. I'm weeping with joy. Thank you.
As a Karlov player it makes me sad to not see a commander damage kill. Hes such a great go tall commander.
I do like going tall more than wide so big fan
#JeremyDoesOneThingThenDies
That one thing was Elesh Norn, Avacyn, and Blightsteel lol
What determines someone is in last place?
*plays blood artist*
**FLASHBACKS**
Steve Polychronopolus was a song by Adam Sandler...Highly recommended lol
I think it's Jeremy who speaks the least, not Jonathan.
It didn't end up mattering, but I don't understand why Stephen kept saccing Graveborn Muse to scry and extort at the end when he could just use Viscera Seer itself. GG
would love to see stephen play goreclaw, terror of qal sisma!!
juanba rodriguez doval with eldrazi tribal
Th tha that is my stapler. He took my stapler. I think im going to burn this place to the ground... I love that movie.
The April Fools Episode should be everyone plays a blue and green deck with a Jeremy mask on. That way he can get into first=P Will Jeremy be the best Jeremy?
Here I am catching up on my shows for VRs and im watching this and....
WHAT
THE
HELL!!!!!
STEVE!! Why didnt you go nuts with the plaguecrafter?????? You could have kept his hand clean and board and get him. Face palms.
@9:13 teehehehehe. John, enjoy your explosion everywhere.
#TeamParnell. Justin, I have a deck for you. Now I know you hate Kamigawa, but I don't think the other three really understand why you hate it and they need to be instilled with fear of it. Reki, the History of Kamigawa is mono-green storm. You're gonna cast many spells each turn and keep drawing cards so you can keep casting legends. This is by far my favorite deck to play and I really want you to show off this underplayed Commander. Here's the decklist: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1446183#paper
I included a deck deck description too. I'm going to keep posting this on every video until you play it. I'm a huge fan.
1/1/2011 Players can lose more life than they have. For example, say you’re playing a multiplayer game in which one of your opponents has 3 life and your other opponent has 10 life. If you cast Exsanguinate with X of 4, your opponents will wind up at -1 life and 6 life, respectively. You’ll gain 8 life.
I may have a better build for Haakon that you might want to see
I've caught up on all episodes now *sad panda*
For the fun episode, could you guys play kings court, with special guest director kyle west? It would be fun to watch you guys politic through that
Calculated that exsanguinate wrong for sure
Karlov is my pet deck! Ive gotten it to about 80% foils and promos. Best commander vs episode ever!
I don't like being up to date on Commander VS. now.
Hearing Jeremy plug Gris feels good
That game's beautiful
Put down your cardboard of lovely art, and burn some beautiful digital art into your retinas
Where do we submit decks to for the fan-submitted episode?
Their Twitters would probably be easiest
Twitter mostly.
I can't believe Jeremy didn't win that.
Such an insane game! Also Jeremy i agree Gris is a beautiful game. I highly recommend people check it out. Its a short game but well worth it
#teamMicrophone
I'm rooting for Selvala to pop off, but #TeamGreen for the win!
Season finale? Why season finale?
The level of stevens deck vs the others is unfair
Where do we submit decks?
To them on twitter
I wish everyone came to play every week. Not just one or two people.
I feel that killing the player in last place should be a negative point. That way last place will change up a little more
Justin showing off his general but he just used Urborg, Coffers, and Exsanguinate to win. Pretty difficult
Did stephen have a cabal stronghold the whole game and just refuse to use it???
@@aktyelements8034 wow thats really bad
Wait why is the season over its only episode 9?
Are the lists not available?
Can someone respond to this with the amount of treasures made by smothering tithe, I am WAY too lazy to count it all up and whoever does will get the blessings of phelddagrif for all eternity:)) also very interested to see how OP that card was this game
54:00 jon only puts 1 card on top.
Yessss
Binged✔
Oh god I really should send in my superfriends list for these guys for Jon to play 😂
Like, comment, subscribe, share, binge....
Not gonna lie.... I fell asleep twice when I tried to watch this in the morning.
So... Season 15, when? :D
Oof, those Mike buzzes are painful. Wish they could have been edited out, or we got warnings or something.
i think coffers/exanguinate might be the lamest way to win a game ever. so anti-climactic
I would much rather that than the nearly 3 hour episodes we have had lately.
@@Big_Dai basically completely unedited commander content is just painful to watch. I say this as someone that has been watching it since the the 1v1 commander days. It just drags on. MTG Muddstah and the Command zone have much better content and in a much more digestible size.
@@CodemanB2 I also like the mtg goldfish series they play on mtgo but everything is clear and the banter is there... but also the added "will mtgo crash and ruin the game today?"
Stop missing blood artist triggers with Karlov out!!
Eric Kaestner he missed like one dude
All of them should do all colors
So annoyed. Jeremy's turn 4 is so aggravating.
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First!
Congratulations!
another "Jeremy whines after making a power play" game, if they don't "destroy you" after you put out all that stuff, you just win, so they either dismantle you or they lose, welcome to the game.
Sometimes I feel he is justified for feeling upset but this is not one of those times. An example would be the 100th episode where he cast boundless realms.
@@andrebogardus8098 he whines about alot, and he isn't very good in general at the game and constantly fails to pay attention to things that should be happening with his cards, the others know this so much that they subtlety have changed their behaviors, in this game notice they constantly say "i've drawn a card" because otherwise he'd miss all his triggers.
I'd have to go back and check the tapes (which I'm not going to), but I wonder in how many games is Jeremy the first one to "go off" so-to-speak before he becomes archenemy and gets blown out by the table.
One of the unspoken truths of commander is the first player to go off doesn't win (unless they win that turn).
This game was particularly bad for him because he's playing a commander that had literally been giving his opponents more cards, so when he's the first to pop off they all have tons of resources to deal with him.
@@PiroMunkie well, and he chose the wrong cards with his defense of the heart, and after doing so didn't need to overextend with Blightsteel, but did so anyways.
Please play duel commander .......
Jeremy is complaining here about the pattern of him not doing anything, then making a big play, then dying. Well, if you know what the problem is, you should work on a solution instead of complaining. If you're playing like that, either make sure that your play really is big enough to win, or make a smaller play that doesn't turn the entire table against you. In other words, Jeremy fails at politics. If triggering Defense of the Heart doesn't immediately win you the game, maybe hold back a bit on the creatures you find. In fact, Elesh and Avacyn specifically were a terrible duo to search for in this instance, since they're both hated cards that turn people against you (granted, Avacyn much more so than Elesh), but it would actually take Jeremy quite a lot of turns to win with them. In short, the only thing he accomplished was to paint a giant target on his head.
What John did with the mic is considered an extremely violent crime against headphone users and should be punished with negative points.
Play without Urborg.. then we're talking
Poor Jeremy, it's sad watching a grown man be picked on like a kid with glasses at recess
@@Big_Dai Sad, in the sense of HILARIOUS
Haakon? Wtf
2nd?
So... No commander damage bonus point in my opinion.
Point of commander damage is "I know you're not dead by loss of life... But I've hit you so hard with my commander that we're going to count that as a kill"
Stephen was dead to combat damage, commander or not.
Commander damage kills are holy things, let's not besmirch them.
so boring, playing with eldrazis
Made it to 31 minutes before I couldn't take the mic noises and turned it off. You're better off just muting the video if you want to watch it.
This was the most miserable drawn out end to a game you guys have ever had. The last HOUR is just nobody having a good time. This is not what this format is about. Terrible episode. Do better, please.