Labour leadership: Is the Labour left still in the driving seat? - BBC Newsnight
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- The contest for the new Labour leader formally began today.
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There are now six Labour MPs who have put themselves forward to lead their party.
Rebecca Long Bailey, Sir Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry, Clive Lewis, Lisa Nandy and Jess Phillips are in the contest.
Labour's new leader, and deputy leader, will be announced on 4 April.
The six leadership contenders are facing questions from Labour MPs at a hustings in Westminster, as the three-month contest officially gets under way. But is the left of the party still in the driving seat?
Policy Editor Lewis Goodall reports.
In the studio, Emily Maitlis speaks to Labour MP and leadership candidate, Clive Lewis.
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"Vote for me, you racists."
Stunning that people like Clive still don't understand why this is not a winning position.
God helps us if a "semi-urban" type like Clive Lewis becomes leader, even worse than that whiny Manc Rebecca Long-Bailey. Add in Corbyn's poodle Dawn Butler as deputy leader and that's us done.
More likely that they know but have enough integrity to still condemn the government of Israel for there illegal and intolerable treatment of the people of Palestine but no one dare say anything about that evil government or the Tories will immediately be yelling loudly in the media owned by Tory ex-pat billionaires. Yet have a wee read through the many Brexiteer supporting blogs scattered all over the internet and you will find screed after screed of sheer bile and insults to the Scots and in particular against the Scottish First Minister - but that's all right she's only Scottish and not Jewish.
The laughable thing is that attempting to have any political debate with these people exposes the fact they are absolutely ignorant of anything whatsoever to do with political matters. It seems like some form of obscure religious cult that follows a mantra like an Apostle's Creed. They chant the same mantra but cannot explain what it is or why they believe in it.
So I may be wrong but this whole anti-Semitic caper is a Tory led load of balderdash. Now don't get me wrong - I'm in my mid 80s and have never voted Labour in my life but the claims being made strike me as more anti-Labour than pro--Semitic.
@@TheAuldBob There is no "Palestine" you cultist anti-semite. There was Judea until the expulsion of the Jews, and the itinerant Arabs who colonised the area called themselves Palestinians, and Palestine became an inventin of the British Mandate you moron. Read a histiry book or three.
Scottish people cant stand wee Crankie either. Boris put her back in her box today.
This guy is totally deluded.
If you just watched this youd have absolutely no idea what is actually the case. This is a bizarre, bizzare video
You`re not joking there. Its the weirdest video i`ve ever seen. I still don`t know what the hell its about.
Intellectually bankrupt segment.
Perfect example in the interview. On the brexit question Lewis states there was A racist element but not ALL that voted leave are racist, simple to understand. Rather than move on and maybe press him on his remainer opinions now, how he would convince people that migrants aren't the issue if that is his opinion, it's just multiple repeats of the same "are all leaves racist" question. If the opposition is to be stronger yes it needs to improve but it needs to be tested in a meaningful way, not this tired binary way.
too many of them really do think if they keep (indirectly in this case) referring to people as racist, xenophobic gammon (weather directly or no) they will win, I hope Clive here wins so we can find out just how unpopular he is by seeing how many of the so called racist, xenophobic gammon actually vote for him.
White people are so insecure about racism smh... stop being so defensive and recognize that race is an outdated theory!!
@@user-uw9zn7ob1s we've been trying for decades but muh minorities are a thing.
Oh and if your classed as racist by court of public opinion your fucked.
@@user-uw9zn7ob1s
sir/madam you have to understand we have had 3 years of this dickhead and his friends insult the British electorate with the names i have outlined and generally treated their fellow less affluent Brits (that they used to represent) with Contempt, a contempt i can still hear in this mans tone of voice.
I am black and voted for Brexit, so if I go along with CW, racist belief that people who voted leave are racists, well it would be the very first time in my life that I've been called a racist as a BLACK person, furthermore I'm no coconut but I believe in democracy.
so boris for another 15 years by the looks of it.
As long as he is
That'll be until Ireland reunifies, Scotland tells Westminster the union is over then Wales declares itself independent. The United Kingdom is finished - Johnson says he will not allow another Scottish referendum but there is no way he will be able to stop it.
Going on 10,000 people of Scotland just marched through Glasgow in heavy pouring rain and driving high winds for Scottish independence. A while back around 150,000 plus goodness knows how many non-marching supporters marched through the Capital City for the same cause and Johnson imagines he can stop independence?
The very fact that Westminster, the de facto parliament of the country of England that assumes itself the masters, runs and funds only England from the Westminster Ministries while deciding the level of block grants Westminster, will give, (this year eventually), will reluctantly give to two and a bit subservient English dominion countries and uses EVEL to prevent interference in Westminster decided England only matters. Thing is the 1706/7 union is legally a bipartite union of equally sovereign KINGDOMS and not a quadratic union of countries with England the master race.
The Kingdom of Scotland is legally the, (three country), Kingdom of England's only partner kingdom in the Union and that means the union is already broken and it may need Scotland to bring the Matter to the International Court of Justice.
Remember that The UK along with the EU, United Nations, The Geneva Convention and a lot more all agree to the Human Right of Self determination of a people and Scots were a recognised people before England was invented after the Roman's left Britain.
Neither Boris or anyone Else is going to stop the Kingdom of Scotland ending the United KINGDOM that Scotland is one of two equally sovereign partners in.
Which, BTW: is the main reason the three Unionist Westminster political parties are being pushed out of Scotland.
@@TheAuldBob 😂😂😂😂
Ah the Scottish delusion of grandeur never fails to humour me.
@@TheAuldBob Yawn
Auld Bob bla,bla,bla,and more shit
And i'm sure the BBC isn't going to be biased to one faction of the party.
the bbc with bias , what clinical world do you live in, that would be like saying all media are liars and make stories up for there own benefit. ?
@@RichieWellock they do pretty much lol
I have a lot of problems with the BBC, they entitled existence in and of itself to name but one. But not having favourable coverage of a failed ideology is not one of them.
@@thelonesomewanderer8359 just in case you didnt get it , I was saying that sarcastically.
I can barely tell the difference between the Guardian and the BBC. Yes they are biased, they are far left.
A real shame Caroline Flint lost her seat as she actually kind of understood the problem of Labour. Their problem is they don't listen to the Blue Labour side. Who actually is standing for Blue Labour?
Who has the time to polish so many turds though?
lol the ominous music. No bias there.
Yeah, really struck me too.
Labour *DUN DUN DUN* is having a leadership election. Will the left *DUN DUN DUNNNNN* do well?
Exactly what I thought haha
@Astuteous Maximus Yes but its unprofessional and manipulative.
Isn't it the very definition of madness-? To do exactly the same thing ad nauseam yet expect a different outcome...
So...access to a bottomless supply of low skilled labor...doesn't cause wage suppression ?
What a putz.....
Freedom of movement doesn't lead to a bottomless supply of low skilled labour. Lack of employment regulation on businesses leads to that.
The EU didn't cause the Tories bringing in loads of Filipino nurses and stop training enough British ones and letting existing nurses go. Or looking the other way while businesses keep underpaying people through various means.
When the phrase shower of shite has real meaning
Describes the commenters under this video very well.
Sarah Jessica Farter
Not according to the recent election there was a reason it was labours worst result since 1930 whatever. But still in denial.
martyn spooner you must be one of the aforementioned xenophobes?
T B88 oh dear..... anyone who didnt vote for extreme left marxists is now a racist xenophobe..... you sad individual.... all the bitterness and hate spouted by corbyn, wrong-bailey and that angry Raynor... what a lovely bunch. Not to mention the anti british, anti jewish terror loving rhetoric.
Carry on supporting the bitter freeloading party that modern labour is :)
@@TBrl8 You're so far left you probably think Lenin was a "crypto-fascist"!
I thought Labour were meant to be learning the lessons from the last election. Apparently Clive didn't get the memo.
Blue Labour was the way forward but they ignored Frank Field and Caroline Flint etc
Labour have learnt nothing.
Lewis just called the North- "So called heartlands".... Wow... Way to be condescending
Rebecca LB Great asset for every other party.
Labur must broaden its appeal, especially to working class and older votes. That is not Bailey Long. And enough of the Corbynite public schoolboys.
Blue Labour
Labour leadership contest ?
I've heard a huge rotten potatoe was leading the race to become leader of the Labour Party.!
Can't be worse than Corbyn and his 'cherry polisher pillow-biter' followers !
Who actualy cares......they won't see relevence for at least 15 years.!
It's like going to a restaurant and being offered a choice of Dog Shit, horse shit, cat shit, chicken shit, Bull Shit or Baby Shit.
It’s mad( I’m an avid Conservative supporter, but that being said I feel bad for the Labour supporters who now feel they have no one to vote for. That’s how I felt when Theresa May was in charge of the Conservative party.
N B and Major.
I felt exactly the same before Corbyn.
The whole British political system alienated me; and finally I have something to vote for, and long may it continue.
N B I totally agree - like many people I’m a centrist, moderate swing voter but given the choice between hard left or a right of centre government there’s no choice. Moderate swing voters will ALWAYS err on the side of caution and vote conservative. Ultimately, though, I want two viable options at the polling station and a hard left government clearly does not provide that for voters like me who decide election outcomes.
@@judegrindvoll8467 you must know that the political spectrum theory is mostly disregarded and a dangerous simplification of politics. Please dont base your political interest on some graph but rather concrete issues. I just wanted to say this without any ideology to it
Christmas Bomber disregarded by whom?
At least Clive Lewis is nicely balanced......... (He has two huge Racial Chips on both shoulders!)
The lack of talent amongst that shower is frightening.
It's not just Labour, look at the Tory front bench.
The gene pool among the entire left is very weak...
My hope is that Kier Starmer can be the Kinnock of the present, who was acceptable to the left in order to get in as leader and clean the Augean stables left by Benn and Foot and the rest of the hard left in the 80s. Hopefully KS can do the same if he wins,
Caroline Flint lost her seat,Frank Field left and Dan the Sheffield Mayor are the real talent
every Picture Tells a Story pinknews www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/13/labour-leader-emily-thornberry-kier-starmer-angela-rayner-jess-phillips-lgbt/.. pink news maybe you should ?look at this://www.walkawaycampaign.com/ ?
Clive fell on his own sword less than a week after this performance, It was such a shame.
Change the rules because you've rarely won? Wtf
What if you didn't deserve to win?
Does merit mean nothing to you?
The point of first past the post isn’t to proportionally represent, but to stop unstable coalitions and give the party that won the most votes a strong enough majority to enact its mandate.
@@purpleturtle8841 No, that would mean London will basically rule.
lewis always brings colour into his conversation within a minute.
Like Lammy and Abbott
He appears to be saying that the Labour party is structurally racist now because he can't get to the nomination threshold. Is there anyone in the UK who isn't racist according to Clive Lewis? I hope he wins. Anyone doubling down on identity politics, i.e. For the few and not the many, has no chance.
Labour at least need to hide the contempt they have for the working class.
Just even try.
Considering how much their spending proposals would have massively helped the working classes, and that the richest were the only ones that would have experienced a tax increase, you clearly have things backwards. That's why people said the turkeys voted for Christmas.
Koopy Sandwich Totally disagree - One thing Labour has failed to recognise when it comes to the working class is that they have inherently changed as a demographic. The working classes are aspirational - they want opportunity, more fairness and, yes, a piece of the capitalist pie. Labour spent so long banging on about public ownership it forgot to tell individuals how their would be improved by it. They entirely failed to create a narrative. Their view of the working classes is from a bygone era. They bang on about Thatcherism and miners, etc, hoping working class hatred for the conservatives will be enough to secure their vote. Well I’m white, working class, northern, grew up on a council estate, went to a comprehensive school, and I’m almost forty. I’ve never met a miner. None of my uncles or my dad were miners. Every single job I’ve ever had has been in the private sector (which Labour seems to have a personal vendetta against). And I think I’m fairly typical too. Labour is harping back to an era that had died out when I was a toddler yet they keep expecting to win elections...!
@@judegrindvoll8467 exactly so. They have such contempt for anything outside their London Twatterati that they don't even know the world has moved on. Scargill is off in the EU raking in millions with his wife. The working class want progress not to be sneered at and told to vote again by champagne socialists from London who have never had a proper job or done a day's work. It is amazing how clueless they really are.
@@FreekinEkin2 No the working classes need their bills to come down..They need lower taxes on the wealthy who charge high prices otherwise...
@@AdamNigelDark Yes. And Corbyn was supposed to not be from the Same Bubble...as New Labour
Labour does not have a "PROBLEM " THE COUNTRY HAS A RIGHT WING PRESS AND BIAS BROADCASTING PROBLEM AND IT WILL TAKE THE POOR PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY FURTHER! !!!
Clive Lewis for PM as he wants to have a referendum on the monarchy. Off with their tax payers money...
That's what Farage should have in his manifesto next
Do Labour ever wonder if constantly shouting about wanting to "transform" the country might make them sound as if they hate it?
Why does wanting to transform the country into something better make it sound like they hate it? Furthermore, its possible, and it fact common-sense, to love the country but hate the way it is going or has gone, and so want to transform it.
@@Captain_Crusty So if you went around telling people "I want to radically transform my wife," do you think people would believe you loved her?
@@purpleturtle8841 At least you're consistent.
Labour transformed Britain after 1945, including establishing the NHS.
Poor poor Labour. There's not one candidate with a full brain cell between them. The Country deserves better than this.
A personal thank you to the BBC, Channel 4, Sky News and LBC for keeping the labour party and it's supporters front and center 24/7 since 2010. It has been the best recruiting campaign for the Conservative Party ever.
Unsurprisingly the labour party do not permit feedback on You Tube. Says it all really.
"Our so called Heartlands" - Says it all.
Really if they carry on tjis way, they have lost the reality of why they have lost the voters. Utter didgrace. Now is time for a new party altogether.
Why did they lose the voters? Can you include both those who can and can't spell in your analysis thanks
Stasi Kapetanos H is next to J on a keyboard and S is next to D. We can all make typos. I can’t even type “teh” correctly.
@@colinbaker3916 so spelling errors were what was missing from Labour's manifesto?
@@stasikapetanos1395 Huh? You made a snide remark about the OP's spelling when they were obvious typos. I even admitted I make the same mistakes, and your response is to be sarcastic?
If you want to debate, fine, but please don't be unpleasant.
@@colinbaker3916 the OP is banging on nonsense, Labour lost an election, they didn't commit a terrorist attack, unlike the Tories who's cuts to police numbers basically have
Bad journalism- the editor held nothing back with the ominous music did they?
3:21 - Long Bailey does not have Corbyn’s charisma? Did I hear that statement correctly? Corbyn”s charisma did not prevent the British voters giving him the worst electoral defeat of a Labour Party leader since 1935.
What is wrong with theses people there like bumper cars going round in circles going nowhere achieving nothing banging into each other, and think insulting people who they want to vote for them
Is a good policy.
Obviously labour are not hard left if anyone understands politics and political policy this wud mean promoting an entirety state funded economy and abolishing the free market
Clearly this is not the case labour are center left not hard left
Didn't John Mcdonnell declare he wanted to end capitalism? Isn't seizing private assets on a national scale far-left enough for you. Isn't calling each other 'comrade' far-left enough for you? Isn't their leader being a member and chairman of 'Stop the war' a front for the Trotskyist Socialist worker's party? Is that not far-left enough for you? I understand politics perfectly well thank you. They are not centre-left under Corbyn and Momentum they are far-left bordering on hard-left.
@@AdamNigelDark yes there were nationalisation plans. But again my point being to be hard left would mean having an entirely state owned economy. This was not going to be the case. I don't remember John McDonald saying he wants to end capitalism i dont disbelieve you tho. There may be an argument to stay the ideology from corbyn was hard left. But his policys wernt. I also in terms of seizing assets. These services were once publicly owned (rail and energy). The torys came to power, underfunded them, ran them down and sold them off to the highest bidder. I didn't vote for that, I didnt ask that to happen. Since we tax paid for that service we had a stake in that service. The service was stolen from us. Why do we condemn the labour party for what there plan was and not the torys for what they did ?
@@AdamNigelDark the media throw the term hard left around to describe groups and policitans. Hard left politics is basicly communism in the since again its the abolition of capitalism. No free market, entirety state run economy's such as Venezuela Cuba and China And while I don't disbelieve you on what McDonald said this wasn't in the manifesto is all im saying.
@@danhall6922 www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44189922/john-mcdonnell-says-overthrowing-capitalism-is-his-job They are hard left in attitude and in practice. It is not just rail and energy they wanted to seize, they wanted to seize whole tracts of the economy, and every day their seizure list grew longer. hmmmm where have we seen that before? To argue they are centre-left is risible. Entirely state-run, or command led economies are communist, but to argue that Labour are not on that path is absurd. The 'evil tories' didn't run them into the ground and sell them off, that is leftist propaganda from the guardian, the economic slow down made the case for a decentralised syndicated model for the railways and in some places that worked but the lack of competition which is the lifeblood of private ownership led to problems. Evil Tories was not the problem. lack of real competition for franchises was. But it is much easier for the left to scream 'evil tory scum' when things don't go perfectly. It suits their narrative that everyone else is not just wrong but actively evil. Tories are sub human monsters trying to kill old people to save money, or kill the poor to save money. The Labour party are fanatical extremists with a hard left agenda they have been infiltrated by hard left extremists from the Momentum group who are similar to 'militant tendency' who tried to do the same in the 1980's under Neil Kinnock ( who is now raking in millions from the EU same as his wife) The country has seen this dictatorial attitude and rightly told them to Fuck off.
They can't do what they promised as 1995 Clause IV changed nationalisation
Lisa Nandy is the only faint hope.
She's the closest but Caroline Flint is now outside the tent p-ing in. She was the one who should've kept her seat not Red Ed
I wonder what her views are on male suicide.
@@veggie42 Caroline Flint was not well loved in her constituency.
It appears to be fashionable to bash Labour, suggest they aren't working class, call Jeremy Corbyn every name under the sun, but all of these things do not stand up to any serious scrutiny.
Labour would have delivered programs like nationalising the utilities and the railway (hardly anti-working class) which would have resulted in us the citizens of the UK (not subjects of the queen) controlling them, and returning profits to the exchequer for public services.
It would have also meant pouring money in to education, you know to educate people and give them better prospects and to enable us to compete with the best of world. Moreover, to address the debt many young men and woman are burdened with to simply get an education and get on in life.
It would have meant we wouldn't continue selling off or privatising piecemeal fashion our national assets like the NHS.
We would also be less inclined to be Washington's lap top and put our service men and woman in harm's way to preserve a so called special relationship with the epicentre of capitalism itself.
What you've all done who voted Tory is support the establishment, support the wealthiest and most powerful in society, to undermine the very opportunity we had to tackle inequality and give opportunity to all.
To call these ideas extreme is utterly mental, the next time any of you go to countries like Germany or France and use their publically owned transport systems and marvel at how cheap and efficient it is, or moan about some power company hiking up the gas bill, don't blame the private companies they're just working in the interests of their shareholders (mostly the rich), blame yourself for being so utterly ignorant and voting against your own interests.
Another continuity Corbyn candidate, but with a more honest and up-front disdain for working class voters and therefore (former) Labour core voters.
That's a lie, she's a working class woman, maybe you don't believe they exist but we do
There is no such thing as continuity Corbyn.
All candidates are their own people.
Clive Lewis and Rebecca Long-Bailey are both working class themselves.
remember the tories vote only went up by 1.2%, most former labour voters voted for someone else.
www.bbc.com/news/election/2019/results
In a line-up where Dianne Abbott would not look out of place one can hardly imagine any of them being a likely Prime Minister. Indeed, how can any party feel happy about electing another leader as limited as Corbyn was?
Genuinely painful to listen to him
Thay don't like this country.
Waving Palestinian flags at there conference will not be forgotten.
People in the north are a very loyal bunch .
Thay are very loyal. And love the Britain.
But thay don't love what Labour as become.
Dunno how you managed to spell "they" wrong every time...
Also, many innocent Palastinians are being massacred by Israel. It's noble to stand with them.
@@FreekinEkin2 Left-wing sneering attitude? Bet you hate Israel as well eh? Bloody Zionists eh? Go on mate you can admit it.
@@FreekinEkin2 maybe but the Palestinian are not all incessant either.
Teaching hate and racism in there schools.
You will never sort that problem out.
And I don't want a party that hates its own people and country thanks.
@@FreekinEkin2 How many times have you waved a Hong Kong flag?
People say that the BBC is leftwing when it introduces Corbyn to a ominous sort of borg theme 😂😂
corbyn is done... in the dustbin of history
Men and Woman of a lost cause.
Elect Long Bailey, Abbott or Thornberry so we can watch Labour fail continuously 😂😂😂 Up the Conservatives 🔵🔵
LABOUR WAS MADE TO BE A LEFT PARTY PLEASE STICK TO IT! We don’t want another Blairight leader like Keir Starmer at the helm. Please stick to the way Labour is meant to be
For the working class
Exactly, On the door you never hear people asking for Blair to be back or Labour to spend less on the NHS.
sjewitt22 It’s simply because he was a terrible leader. Probably the second leader we ever had just behind Thatcher!
Silvercloud141 141 Thatcher was not a good leader to those in working class AT ALL! Maybe they would win with Keir however it would be going against Labour’s purpose
Silvercloud141 141 No gave the property to those who couldn’t afford it. Then making them revert back into Council Housing. The evidence is there. She also closed down lots of factories and mines basically how the north made money
What a load of hogwash, these 2 bob politicians are 10 a penny.
Google the late great John Smith's Labour Shadow Cabinet of 1994. Makes the current crop look like duds.
He was on the way forward but I'm wondering how much he'd have won in 1997?
These fools are unfit to lick his shoes.
@@veggie42 The Tories after 1992 ran themselves into the mud, no matter if it was Blair or Smith, they would've lost
Labour have a snobbery problem, the working class have had enough
Rees-Mogg.
@@garsm2290 That doesn't mean the Tories are nice or the despicable Rees Mogg is any good, it just means that the electorate looked and went for the more tolerable option.
That's on labour.
@@Irishtradchannel Corbyn has been poor, I agree.
@@garsm2290 Mogg has a posh voice, thats not being a snob.
as a working class person i can tell you i had had enough of austerity under tory rule.
Not a single candidate worth voting for.
10:28 - says without blinking that he'd go to prospective voters and tell them they're wrong. Can't see him troubling the scorers much in this leadership race!
Lewis Goodall is a great addition to the team. Really look forward to more of his incisive contributions.
Better than the X factor
Benefits of immigration such as...?
Immigration is always paid for by the poor and working class is wage suppression caused by supply and demand. The over supply of labour leads to wage stagnation and reduction. The loss of front line services also. We should treat immigration with supply and demand alslo. When we have empty social housing stock, same day gp appointments, a&e performance that you are attended to in a couple of hours and school places at all local schools accept more immigration of people who come to work and pay taxes and intergrate into the community other than that I am with the conservatives on immigration.
All I Can assume from watching Clive is the people of Norwich must be a funny old lot ..
You can see the line where they operated to do the full lobotomy......they should have kept the bit they cut out and chucked this piece of weird crap.!
Wonder why Jess Phillips is placed in the foreground? Couldn't be BBC bias could it. Noooo, never.
It's all so wonderfully irrelevant. :D
Labour economically not capable of running the country. They don't have anyone who understands the economy like Rishi. Everyone is entitled to there views. We call that democracy. Others take a different view.
Every single time I listen to this Clive Lewis bloke he brings up racist & racism🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I’d suggest “he’s” the racist.. Though he’d never be able to see that..
He’s certainly undemocratic 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
He’s also a prick who is never wrong, I’d love him to be Liebour leader as they’d be in the wilderness for years
Isn't it funny how the people who screamed the loudest weren't the majority?
The last general election taught us nothing except opinions on brexit. A left wing leader can win
Lewis talks about being brutally honest,, but he isn't. The brutal truth is that Labour were doomed even before 2017, before, the stop Brexit campaigns, before the anti Semitism rows. They were already doomed when the PLP staged a mass cabinet walkout. When they had a no confidence vote in their own leader. When they forced a leadership contest, that exposed a PLP at war with its own membership. When they had a leader who thought he could transform adversarial parliamentary debate into a civilized middle class coffee morning and just looked weak and feckless as a result. When the anti Corbyn majority in the PLP backed action in Syria, more to weaken their own leader than anything else. They couldn't get anywhere near a majority in 2017 and from then on it just got worse. Corbyn caved in to the remainers who daily threw their faeces at their own voters over Brexit and abdicated leadership to them over a second referendum. The same people who destroyed Labour as a credible force on both sides of the Corbyn argument, are now standing as candidates to make it credible. The only thing they are all united on, is the love of the EU that took them all from merely unelectable to near oblivion. What could possibly go wrong there?
Seems like an impressive guy.
Wow this guy basically just said the electorate is wrong not Labour. Looks like its gonna be another Tory decade! maybe 2!
Poor buggers haven't got anyone there have they, oh well.
A new leader for Labour will have the same impact as changing the captain of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg! Momentum, is the Labour party's iceberg......
It won't matter a Tinker's-Dam in Scotland for Labour are finished in Scotland where the Labour Party began. It is appropriate Labour's end should be in Scotland and that is where the Tinkers-Dam comes in - and that is indeed the correct spelling, for the term. "Tinker", was the slang term for the travelling craftsman, The Tinsmith and these craftsmen used a dam of dough around an area they wanted to tin with solder. The dam could only be used once and was then thrown away. Hence it had no value. Labour are now not worth a Tinker's-Dam in Scotland.
I think that Labour must now get behind Keir Starmer because he has most support among MPs
Clive Lewis is Black? Really?
I think that the Labour MPs who supported LEAVE have a lot to answer for.
It's precisely that view that has condemned Labour to years more opposition
@@alfredotacus8233 It is not view. If a person cannot accept being that is arrogance. It is the definition of that word. The voting behaviour of the British people does not change the fact that Brexiters are arrogant. Just because Brexiters are in the majority does not mean that they are not arrogant and that I am not justified in seeking their moral recovery.
@David Graham Brown Yes, it is quite strange. They say that they want socialism, but Brexit is the right wing agenda in living memory in the UK.
@David Graham Brown I think that the UK and Brexiters in particular have big problems with emotional intelligence. I am not a psychologist so I cannot give a detailed explanation of what is happening.
@David Graham Brown I don't that the British are emotionally intelligent and certainly not the Brexiters. You only have to say a few words that are not what a Brexiter wishes to hear and they often start shouting. It isn't intelligent either voting to leave the EU when you have no idea of the consequences of that. I don't think that the Government does either. Please do not reply to me. A reply would serve no purpose.
Labour had a policy of open door immigration when it was in government but didn't invest in poorer areas to support it. As usual it was the poorest that suffered the most with direct competition for jobs and the services they rely on. Immigration works when it is based on what benefits the country not a brainless free for all. Interesting turn of phrase as well from Lewis about the "so-called Labour heartlands". In other words those Labour voters who embarrass the party by being socially conservative and wanting to see some restrictions on immigration.
Boris is pissing himself laughing
All the plonkers you expected
Clive Lewis is very good here.
Clive Lewis. Another middle class Momentus wanker
Spoiler alert: It's going to be Keir
Omina Fornoz But he’s a Lord?
See? I told you!
11:00 - he didnt answer this bbc query?
too much baggage for each of these people labour should dissolve itself and its unknown back benchers should form their own party as these people have disgraced their party/country and proved they have nothing but contempt for the thoughts and feelings of regular folk and some of those 6 fall into more than one those areas.
None of these can beat Boris Johnson
Values , values , values, that's what wins elections...What is the fundamental value that sums up Labour? That the electorate can relate to in one sentence? From that springs policy....
Still too complicated,? Remember the Republicans/Conservatives know this and thus easy mantra's of make America Great again and Get Brexit done, both value statements that appeal to order which for many equates to a sense of security ( especially the older generation, it happens to us all).
Labour= Social justice? or 'Equality of opportunity' or 'Building homes for all' or 'Opportunity for all'...etc...
The right holds the simple nationalist rhetoric ( research backed) that taps into the desire for order in times of perceived chaos,....thus the lurch to the populist right into a perceived harbour of calm waters....
Grant Beerling See to me that three word slogans win elections. Remember these?
EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION
LOCK HER UP
BUILD THAT WALL
DRAIN THAT SWAMP
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT
GET BREXIT DONE
Now try remembering slogans from the losing sides.
Grant Beerling Peace and justice around the world..? 🤔
They have embraced multi ulturism , welcoming illigal immigrants , got in bed with terrorists , called for the prosecution of army veterans , and now have paid the price , corbyn should rot in hell
Clive's wearing Soul-Glo!
clive lewis came across well i thought
He was awful
@@sammccormick9109 ur awful aha
Go Emily, Shame you couldn't have grilled Borsis in the same way.
Elect a leader who cares about the working class and you Labour will take back the country overnight.
Well, within a minute or so, Lewis has made himself unelectable: did he seriously just say that moving slightly to the right in social policy would be 'throwing minority ethnic' communities under the bus? You represent a very small percentage of the populace, and you have effectively just called everyone else (who are to your right on policy) racists. You then have the gall to suggest that you should be voted for in order to give unity...
Basically no more voting from me
You also need a vibrant economy which creates jobs which we don’t have. He overplays then role of the trade unions. For huge areas of business especially newer ones, unions simply don’t exist. He waffled a lot.
Google Page Hall Sheffield to see how wonderful immigration has benefitted this country 😀😀
The candidate who looks most like Bowie.
And nobody will vote for them
As an ousider I conclude that the UK is in extremely dire straits. Labour is lost and unelectable. The Tories is no longer a conservative party, just a radical ”kitchen-populist movement” with no sense of direction. I thought british politics was enlightened and intellectual and respectful. I was wrong. The low levels of politicians and the electorate is just mind blowing. Sad to see. After three years lots of voters still are convinced there are an EU-army. Mr Murdoch? Next kitchen strategy is probably for Boris to get rid of Scotland. He was really spiteful towards the SNP, telling them they may lose the alms of £9billion and mocked the scottish PISA numbers etc. The days of the union of the United Kingdom seems to be numbered. Just without decency and reflection. Just awful!
Wont be winning my vote back anytime soon.
If the party reverts to Blair style politics and moves away from its socialist core, I will quit, simple as. RLB is the only credible candidate for the left and I believe that she can lead us and continue to grow our power in and out of government
Also wtf is this reporting? Creepy music, sinister tones... wtf, kind of reporting is this for a leadership election?!!
Socialism does not work in any country.
@@johnclegg4993 the evidence that redistribution, raises living standards and improves public services is overwhelming actually. We never get to implement any form of power redistribution because of this red scare. Free markets don't deal with social issues
Socialism works extremely well..........in Venezuela.......NOT ? We Brits DO NOT want Socialism sonny boy......don't you get it yet ???????
@@chrismaynard6016 please point out the people calling for the implementation of Venezuelan policy... we in the UK want public ownership of our infrastructure and property funded public services not any marxists lenninist government
How many Labour Leadership candidates does it take to change a lightbulb?
We'll never know, because the papers are too pro-Tory to ever tell us the true story.
Yeah, filling low skilled jobs with a surplus of migrants who work for lower wages isn't causing wage compression. Labour have learned nothing from that calamitous defeat.
Hahahahahahahahahah Have these people got no pride? Or is it No Brains?