Marinette knows Adrien's entire schedule like the back of her hand but never notices he dissapears for hours right at random times? I know she's Ladybug, but she's so obsessed with Adrien, you think she would have realized
@0-Stars -MikiTune- hawkmoth is kinda like team rocket in a way that their both evil, both are trying to steal something from the hero (i think team rocket does something like that im not really into pokemon) and they both fail alot
Mrs Bustier: Mr. Damocles, we need to talk about my class. Damocles: What’s wrong with them? Mrs. Bustier: I think they all have kidney infections. Edit: Oh damn... thanks for 1k likes guys.
What amaze ime is how howkmoth got some increble informations from almost nothing but still doesn't cet it that most of thé miraculous owner(since we know their indenty since miroulous queen) are from the same classe and mostly two of tgem are always aways when there is an akuma attack in Paris
“You played yourself, Thomas. In your attempts to make an Azula, you made a Zuko.” *THIS* *This is the absolute greatest description of the Chloe character arc and development I have ever heard*
And even then he sucks at it! Cause he can't decide if he wants her to be redeemed or not!! She's constantly balancing between actually getting better and still being a piece of crap
Marinette: - Shows interest in Adrien and does nothing about it - Broke into Adrien’s house (Cat Blanc) - Smells his bed (Cat Blanc) - Goes through his stuff (Cat Blanc) - Attempts to break into his house (Chameleon) - Steals his phone (Copycat) - Has a shrine/tons of pics of him on her wall - Knows his full schedule when even Adrien’s BFF, Nino, doesn’t know it (Copycat) - Sabotages Kagami three times (Animaestro, Ikari Gozen, Love Eater) - Teams up with Chloe to sabotage (Animaestro) - Talked bad about Kagami behind her back (Ikari Gozen) - Looks through Kagami’s phone behind her back and without her permission (Ikari Gozen) Kagami: - Shows interest in Adrien and does something about it - Waits for Adrien to accept her or finally reject her (Frozer) - Gives Marinette advice (Frozer) - Tries to befriend Marinette (Ikari Gozen) - Complements Marinette (Love Eater) Um...I don’t know if I really want Marinette to end up with Adrien 😬
There was also that time she humiliated and yelled at Lila in front of Adrien just because she was flirting with him. Likeee yes, She’s a compulsive liar, but it’s not that big of a deal, she really could’ve handled the situation in different ways. (Volpina)
Same, like, Marinette is toxic af, she would be the toxic as fuck gf that doesn’t let you even look at other women. I really want Adrigami to be end game or hell even Lukadrien or fcking Adrinino would be better. But unfortunately that probably won’t be the case
Also marinette tried to/ actually did break in adrien’s house as normal chick and spots-lady, also she stole his cellphone, has his entire schedule memorized, yes she’s totally not a criminal
She actually is a criminal. I did the math and her prison sentence is 186 years as a conservative estimate. Wonder how this is possible? 1) Repeated offense, 2) She commits a lot of crimes, 3) France doesn't fuck around with this kind of thing.
The worst part for me is Adrien's development. He's never really gotten his own big moment to save the day, because Marinette always has to do it. When Adrien is not a superhero, he never really has much time to accidentally let out his chat noir inside of him slip out, and because of that he never really has that much personality unless he's Chat Noir. His feelings don't show a lot either. The show would be much better if focused on Chat Noir a bit more, yes, Marinette is the protagonist, but so is he. Adrien deserves more screentime.
They screwed Chloe over as well. Why the HELL did they have her reveal her secret identity to the world?! I know Chloe’s arguably the dumbest character in the show, but even SHE would’ve known that was a beyond stupid thing to do!
I mean, I’m kinda happy it’s always up to Ladybug. Most Tv shows I watch is just boys being the superhero. It boring to watch just boys being the super hero, thinking that girls can never be the main superhero. So I respect that ✊🏼
@@user-zj1ty3ot3c Yes, sure, it might be a nice change of pace, but why do they then say that Chat Noir and Ladybug are equal? That they are ying and yang if the show will only focus on Ladybug and how great she is at doing her job? Not even that, but the most irritating thing about this show is that they have to DUMB down Chat Noir and ridicule him to make her shine. That's just disgusting. It makes me sick. Make him a side character then if Ladybug is supposed to be the only one that can save the day, but then they leave hints about how the teamwork is important only to abandon it right after? Why can't we have them cooperate normally? She's just a teen, she can't have that much responsibility on her shoulders without breaking down.
@@user-zj1ty3ot3c I disagree with this, the cartoons where boys are superheros are cartoons directed to boys. The same goes with cartoons for girls. Example: Winx was directed to girls and nearly all important characters are female. This is so theyr directed audience can relate. This cartoon is directed to any gender but they still throw Cat Noir/Adrien into the dumpster eventhough he is way better character than Marinette. If the writers would treat Marinette/Ladybug like they treat Adrien/Cat Noir she would be a extremly bad character
The biggest joke is how they want us to believe Gabriel is a fashion mogul but we never see anything from him, and all of his “designs” that Adrien wears are so basic.
Exactly. He’s Hawkmoth and can give them any outfit and they are the most Atrocious things. I get if he’s trying to lead them away from finding him out... but a 5 year old would have better fashion taste.
I hope they do something different about it. If he does designs, where are they? A visualy apealing show is a big reason to a show's success, and I think they can reep that from the current characters.
Actually there’s an episode where we see his tablet as he scrolls through some designs he presumably came up with. The problem is that they’re as ridiculously over the top as the villain designs, and probably no one would be able to wear them comfortably
tbh his fashion design isnt even THAT GOOD. i love Adrien don't get me wrong, but his clothes? like his suit is pretty good but his everyday outfit is so BASIC and SCREAMS 9 year old when hes atleast 15.
One thing that really bothered me about this show is that they sometimes make Cat Noir completely useless like he can’t do anything without Ladybug. They are both supposed to be equal but he’s always in the dark, belittled, and seen as stupid. I mean he didn’t even have as close as a relationship to Master Fu like Marinette had. He’s such an important character but is viewed more like a sidekick than an actual partner. His character is more complex especially with his home life and how he feels more free as Cat Noir but the writers don’t take advantage of that. Him and Marinette hold the same responsibilities but they never focus on how he as Cat Noir also struggles with his super hero life. Instead everything is about Marinette the girl with the perfect understanding family who has a crush and many different responsibilities that make her life hard to juggle. Adrien has all that too, even more in my opinion. I mean for god sake his dad is always on his ass, and his freedom is limited. I have so much evidence where they do this and it infuriates me. The only episode where they are even close to equal is in the one scene in the awful season 3 finale where he merges miraculous, because they finally work as a TEAM. His main use is basically to re-ensure Ladybug that she can do it and be there for her when she doubts herself. I could go on forever with this but I’ll stop now
THATS WHAT I"VE THINKING SO MUCH ABOUT OMG< AND WHATS EVEN WORSE IS THAT ADRIEN LITERALLY DO SPORTS THAT MAKES HIM PHYSICALLY MORE CAPABLE AND SKILLED, LIKE HE HAS EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING WITH SOMETHING, THEY EVEN LET KAGAMI SHINE AND UTILIZE HER SKILLSETS WHEN SHE GOT HER MIRACULOUS. basically marinette is a morally corrupted mary sue that is desperately aiming to be presented as a morally just person
Chloe is like the firstborn of a family while Marinette is the youngest. Chloe gets dumped on for her mistakes while Marinette is praised by the creators.
@@spectre9340 Indeed, and Chloe actually slows dramatically in the number of people she gets Akumatised only really being excessively cruel to Auroea & that was likely a case of projection or her own flaws onto another similar looking Blonde. Oh and amusingly both Chloe and Marinette both got someone Akumatised that lead to a near extinction (or actual) extinction level event in Stormy Weather 2 and Cat Blanc respectively. Say Hawkmoth - how about you leave the girl that can destroy planets alone next time you plonker. Send her a senti-monster that looks like a Teddy bear to cheer her up instead you creep, also Pay August's University Tuition since you have essentially already adopted him.
I feel like they'll give Marinette's ENTIRE class a miraculous and I HATE just thinking about it. Do they not want the information about the kwamis and miraculouses to remain a well-kept secret?
I suspected this as soon as Alya was picked for Rena Rouge. It seemed inevitable when Nino became Carapace. I counted and there's enough kids in their class for the Chinese Zodiac miraculouses
She will probably give Gabriel one too and then he will be it for one day, and then will merge it with the butterfly, peacock, and whatever she gives him and it will be a huge mess.
There should have been 5 miraculous, including LB and CN, on the good side at most. Involve Alya, Nino and Chloe and no more otherwise it becomes way too messy imo
So, is no one talking about the fact that Chloe's ultimate fall is Marinette's fault? Chloe not only is the only person to have actively fought off an Akuma, she is also one of only four people (other than Alya, Adrian and Sabrina) that wasn't akumized in "Ladybug", and not only that, but she is actively *shielding* Sabrina from the Akumas to avoid her to be akumized in such occasion. In the season finale, she cries to Ladybug to bring her her Miraculous to help with her parents. When Ladybug arrives to Master Fu to pick up a Miraculous, she has two mental images: one of Chloe who desperately asks for her Miraculous, and one of Kagami and Adrian together, showing that she is (again, and the last time having been just a few episodes earlier) divided between doing the right thing and acting selfishly. When she picks up the Dragon Miraculous, Master Fu asks her if she is sure about her choice, which is a writing device that has been used multiple times throughout the show to convey that Marinette isn't acting the right way but is being led astray by her own private interests and/or emotions. This led to Hawk Moth's plan of corrupting Chloe to succeed, of course; and *EVEN THEN*, Chloe didn't accept her Miraculous and alliance proposal from Hawk Moth until he accepted to deakumize her parents. So please, can I be explained how the f*ck is Chloe unredeemable when the writing is **explicitly built around** her having slowly become a better person and her villainization being Marinette's fault?
she's also a hypocrite cause hawkmoth knows kagami's identity yet she doesn't tell her "iTs nOT saFe fOr U CaUse hAwkmoTH knOwS wHo yoU iS" Just bc it's Chloe she don't give her a miraculous
@@XIAO-j9o I just realised something. Characters in the show say that she can be QueenBee no more because of that exact reason, but the in KuroNeko Adrien can change HIS APPERANCE as a Chat Noir. Therefore their argument is bul**hit.
"Are they seriously that stupid?" Yes. Yes. They can't recognize each other's voices or basic features in costume. They believe Lila's a good person. They don't follow the butterflies to see where they came from.
@Alicia Chiminje It's supposed to be extremely difficult to reject an akuma once it touches you, so I won't hold that against the show. But that _should_ have made it all the more significant that Chloe has been the ONLY character to do it so far. But you know, irredeemable and stuff.
@Commenter839 Yeah. As much as I dislike Chloe, she was so self-centered and determined to do what _she_ wanted that she was able to resist something Marinette herself nearly couldn't! I would've loved to see some episodes where Chloe tries to prove herself to Ladybug and mentions that she was able to resist an akuma. I could imagine Marinette getting akumatized and leaving her miraculous where someone could find it, leading to Chloe having to become Ladybug and save the day (akumatized Marinette would have the potential to be something dangerous) only to struggle with wanting the spotlight and wanting to do what's right which would result in Chloe putting the Ladybug miraculous where she found it for Marinette to find. Or alternatively, Chloe discovers that Marinette is Ladybug but overcomes her dislike for her in order to further prove that she can be a good person. I imagine something like this: Chloe: Marinette Dupain-Cheng? You're Ladybug? Marinette: Chloe! Uh, no! I'm not! Chloe: Hmm, if you're Ladybug...that means I could just demand that you give me the Queen Bee miraculous. Marinette: Chloe, I can't just give it to you. Chloe: Yeah, I know. I did kind of tell everyone that I'm a superhero. I must be the worst miraculous holder. Marinette: Chloe, you're not. You just...make not great decisions sometimes. No one's perfect. Chloe: I do really want to be a better hero, Marinette. (Marinette gets akumatized later because of Lila or smth and tells Chloe to use the Ladybug miraculous and later Chloe gives the miraculous back to Marinette no questions asked, confusing Marinette. Chloe reiterates that she wants to be a better person).
That's true, but they explain it why. I forgot what episode but they say that it is the magic of the miraculouses that causes people to not recognise them. Except for the thing with Lila and the akumas. It really is frustrating to see that people fail to use their common sense only at certain points of the series. I get that the creators are aiming this show to kids, but you don't even have to be 10 years old to get frustrated at how stupid the characters are.
I actually believe that the Miraculous blurs your features or affects someone's memories in a way that they wouldn't immediately connect you to your identity and just have you register as a different person - magic's gotta have a failsafe, you know, and magical disguises is an absolutely fair one. The Lila BS is no excuse. At least it's hard to keep track of a _normal_ butterfly - they're not that big, and you gotta jump around town across buildings and take your eyes off it as you do so - you're likely to lose the butterfly at some point.
I think Marinette's lack of emotional moments is partly due to Astruc trying to pull off a "strong female character". And for some reason, everyone in charge of entertainment these days think that turning women into these emotionless steely-eyed (masculine) bosses equals a strong female.
I’m writing a Miraculous reboot/spin-off, and one of my main characters is female. But she still shows emotion. She gets frustrated when she feels that Ladybug is hiding secrets from her because she “isn’t ready” to be a hero. She becomes distraught when one of her teammates is brutally killed by an akuma. She’s quick to lose her temper, sick of being treated like she’s naive. But you know something? I give her space to express her feelings. I give all of the main characters time to process their emotions, and actually to THINK and FEEL things. And the character matures throughout the series. She learns what’s really expected of a hero, and that it isn’t all glitz and glamour like she initially thought.
I agree with this. Don't hate me for this, this is just my opinon, but I don't really like Marinette. I think one of the reasons why I feel thsi way is because of the way she is written without many vulnerable moments. Her character either goes from clumsy and awkward girl who is bullied by Chloe and has a massive crush on Adrien, to being a confident, powerful, but well-restraindd Ladybug hero who always saves the day. Other than moments where she is being possessive and stalkerish over Adrien, we don't see much flaws or imperfect facets of her character
@@iamautism420 korra goes through emotional things alot like she breaks down crying multiple times. I dont think she is a strecht of the "strang female character" thing.
Absolutely. They wanted to make a show about girl power and strong women don’t really understand what empowers women. They constantly put down other characters in order to show that Ladybug is strong, including the other girls on the show, and have the girls constantly fight over men. Its kind of insulting how they preach these messages and don’t deliver, and in many instances, contribute harmfully.
The problem is every episode is the same 1-marinette goes to school 2-obsesses over adrien 3-someone gets pissed 4-they get HAKUMITIZEDDD 5-cat noir and lady bug save the day 6-life lesson 7-more obsession over adrien 8-ending credits
Astruc in 2015: Give us time, we're gonna change it. Astruc now: Fuck you we are not changing shit I hate Chloe she is si annoying I wonder who wrote such bad character.
Its sadly chucked under the window then chloe got thrown under the bus for nor legitimate reason. She then got replaced by Zoe who i guess is good but she is probably just another generic nice girl. Chloe had depth but nope she is not marrinete so she shal perish. What? Kagami likes adrien Well she shall perish too.
"In the day time, I'm Marinette, just a normal girl with a normal life..." Except you are not normal. You projected posters for a star, projected a hat for the most known designer, your parents have the most popular bakery, your parents love you, you are the most popular and friendliest girl at school, you have good grades. And on top of that at night you save Paris. Sometimes ecen at the day time. Like what?
I agree with everything except the part with her parents. I like how they’re always there for her, but at some point I would probably have them suspect Mari’s hiding something.
I really do hate when show creators hate characters who aren’t bad characters. YOU made the show. YOU can change any character at Will SO CHANGE THEM URGH.
I don't and can't understand why Thomas hates a characther that he created. As a writter, you gotta like every characther you write, even a bit, being good or not. If you don't enjoy write something either your audience will.
@Ivanna Claudette IKR? I love all my characters like they’re my children: even the evil ones. Plus, in Chloe’s defence, she isn’t even that bad. I don’t know why Thomas thinks she’s evil incarnate when we have someone like Lila on the show.
If Marinette, according to Tikki, is the "best holder she's ever had", what the hell were the other Ladybugs like? Because they must have been absolutely garbage for Tikki to prefer a stalkerishly obsessive 14 year old over them.
To me, it was a scene that existed only to roast Chloe and Audrey at the same time while making Marinette seem like a savage. LIKE, CAN YOU BE QUIET FOR ONE MOMENT!?
It was fine when it was just Alya, Nino and Chloe. Because they at least made sense, as Gale pointed out. But now it feels like whether they need to they just randomly select one of Marinette’s classmates and frisbee a Miraculous at them. I’ve said this before in her Rewriting Miraculous vid, but I feel like a better option would’ve been to keep the S2 Heroes on permanently and reserve the remaining 12 Miraculous for fusions. That way, we still have the MiracuSquad (yes that is what I call them), and we still get to see the other powers whilst maintaining a small enough cast. Just saying.
It's like they want to do a legacy spinoff show, but instead of naturally doing it they just chuck -projectile footballs- Miraculous at Random Character and hope it sticks.
I honestly really like the designs for the newer heroes since they seemed o get less and less lazy with the costume design for the heroes as time went on, but that doesn't excuse the fact that one off heroes are freaking boring. If a character only shows up for 1 episode, then what's the point? All the one off heroes could be easily written out (for example, giving the miraculous to Alya, Nino, or Chloe so they wouldn't have set miraculous. It could make things a lot more interesting). Or they could just not have such a huge amount of miraculous. I like the idea of the main seven, but with the box expanding like that I just think it's too much
@@the_unholynjh3513 I agree. I would definitely keep the S2 heroes, as they seem the most interesting AND they make sense in terms of character progression and plot. I would probably give each of the five heroes a specific buff or area of expertise so that the team dynamic is balanced and none of them feel useless or unnecessary. For Queen Bee I would go agility/speed: out of all the MiracuSquad she's the fastest. Quick reflexes to go with a quick wit, y'know? ;) As far as personality goes, I would definitely keep Chloe's cynical wit and sharp tongue. I would also have her be fiercely loyal and integral: even though when it comes to working with others she can be a bit uncooperative sometimes. As she develops, Bee becomes more friendly and outgoing, exposing more of her good side. I would also change her Miraculous: I feel like Loyalty would be a fitting one for a bee hero, as bees are well known for their dedication to their colony. Rena Rouge would be Deception, and her Perk would be stealth. In terms of personality, she's dedicated to her job and playful. Since Deception and Loyalty are polar opposites, she sometimes likes to poke fun at Queen Bee (it's later explained that this habit of hers is directly influenced by Trixx: a revelation she isn't very pleased with). Much like her civilian form, Rena can have a bit of a short temper. Despite her Miraculous' influences, she refuses to use her powers on her teammates, rather preferring to use her illusion powers to mess with her enemies as a way of weakening them. Carapace has boosted endurance: he can take a lot more damage than his friends. For the most part he's good at keeping a level head in high stress situations, but can act a bit aloof sometimes. But overall he does care a lot for his friends, and will do whatever it takes to protect them. It's not uncommon for him to throw himself into direct danger to protect them, making use of his Perk to make sure they're safe. And this has landed him in multiple lectures from LB about how even though it's harder for him to get hurt, that doesn't mean he's invincible. He brushes each one off with a smile and a "Well, what's the point in being the Turtle Hero if I can't protect my friends?" Cat Noir benefits from strength: out of all the heroes he can deal the most damage. Him and Bee form an unlikely friendship, almost as if they knew each other beyond the masks. Just like in canon, CN is flirtatious and charming, always ready with a wisecrack and a cheeky grin. His romance with LB isn't Instalove- more rather he falls for the painfully shy but brave girl she really is. He tries to limit the use of his Cataclysm down to when it's absolutely necessary: during his training with Plagg the creature explains just how dangerous it is when used on living things. He refuses to use it on people, whether they're akumatised or not. That isn't to say he keeps that mindset forever though... Ladybug's Miraculous boosts her intelligence: useful for the Creation Hero. To the people of Paris, she's fearless. Strong. Practically flawless. To her friends, she's a bumbling dork who can get flustered easily. But a lovable one nonetheless. Despite her paralysing fear of failure, LB fights tirelessly to protect her city and her team- despite Rena and Cat's insistence for her to take it easy on herself. Yes, believe it or not, she actually has FLAWS in this one. Ladybug has an unhealthy habit of overworking herself, often pushing her body beyond its limits from her relentless training and refusal to stand down. Thankfully, later on in the series, she does become less hard on herself, and listens to her friends' advice. I might do the powers and personalities of the Akuma!Heroes as well, as I have a pretty good idea of what they would be like. Does this kind of help?
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Something else I'd love to see would be Alya knowing how to play the flute, because this would not only make sense in her and Mari becoming friends (them both having some knowledge of an instrument in common), but it would also make her Mirage sequence actually make sense because I ain't believing that a miraculous can give you mastery of an instrument
we gotta talk about the weird power dynamic between ladybug and cat noir. ladybug is way overpowered while cat noir looks absolutely useless in most fights, which makes me confused as to what’s the point of cat noir even being there if he’s just a bother to ladybug? cat noir deserves way more screen time and character development bc keeping him just as “uuuh funny superhero flirts with ladybug hahaha funny” is just hurting his character.
*laughs in cat can destroy anything he touches including people, which is wayyyyyyy more interesting than the "lucky charm", and he has better character traits in general, and should therefore be the protagonist.
@@XxEmpty_EscapexX693 Rena Rouge: **can imitate anyone with her illusions and with some training could potentially bend the fabric of reality to her will** Queen Bee" **can inject a neurotoxin into someone's body and basically kill them for a good while** Carapace: **can create an indestructible barrier that renders him and anyone else within it practically invincible** Ladybug: **generates random-ass objects with her yo-yo** Thomas: *LaDYbUg iS tHe StrOngESt* :)
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios This is why I hate the ladybug miraculous..I mean heck! I would rather turn into a cat (Galra/ Ventrexian) or use plasma blasts to kill my emenies with no mercy. Who had thought that the random object power was a good idea to have as a Ladybug power? Also....how the fudge is a yo-yo useful as a weapon, It could work as a grabbing hook but not as a weapon...no just no....
Ariasnow16 Well, I mean, if they have LB her old power of being able to turn it into different weapons, then it’s useful. At least for QB she can turn her weapon into a stinger.
Azula from avatar had a good reason to be a villian, King Andrias from amphibia has a very broken friendship which turned him into a child murderer psycho, The 4 villians in avatar the legend of korra were amon who wanted equality unalaq who wanted the spirits back zaheer who wanted change and Kuvira who wanted to unite the earth kingdom and kind of became a female hitler
So, the emotionally abused 16 year old girl is “irredeemable” in Thomas’ eyes, and yet the literal terrorist and sociopathic liar get a pass? Welp that’s it I’m done with this show goodbye- 🕳🚶♀️
This show is insulting to children. Dan povenmire even said that he wrote complicated jokes in phineas and ferb because “children are smarter than you think”
And you can see how insulting it is whenever Nino's little brother, Chris, makes an appearance. Marinette, Our Only Hope and the Epitome of Everything Good and Beautiful, refuses to let him play the games he wants to because they're "for grownups" and I guess being 15 means you're grownup enough to play video games??? Let the kid at least try, and if you're right and he * is * too young to enjoy it, at least he'll never bother you about it again.
Shows like Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb, and other similar shows were my life. Mostly because I was a stubborn child who refused to watch dumb-down shows, but I think those were so much better than, “Here’s a joke, but these 10 year olds can’t possibly know what it means! Let’s put in a stupid joke instead! What do you mean that joke’s not funny? It doesn’t matter! They’re 10!” shows.
Something else I’ve noticed about Miraculous is that they never have any episodes where the characters act like normal teens and NOT have any akumatized villain crash the party. For example, in Avatar theres a whole episode where the villains spend a day at the beach and there’s absolutely no action going on with them. If this show wants to be both an action and sitcom (for lack of a better word) then why doesn’t it have a balance and let the characters have a break from the fast paced action for one episode. Otherwise it makes the show a bit formulaic and predictable
Thats because the formula of a miraculous episode, wastes half of the time on Adrinette or Marichat, or Ladychat romance and the other half is used for fighting the akumatized of the week.
I would rather they didn’t because the reason they did that to Avatar is cause these kids, especially Zuko and Azula, (mainly Azula) have basically been bred by war and literally can’t function and don’t know what to do in a normal environment and we see just how bad their growing up was and how messed up they were. If it was miraculous it would just be marinette being a creepy stalker girl for adrien
I just realized why and from where this huge feeling of deja vu came from. Draco Malfoy. Chloe's a less fucked up, not abusive or physically abused Draco. JK Rowling really hated Malfoy and didn't want to give him a redemption arc, despite how beautiful the story would've been, Draco and Chloe are both way too young to be tied up in the shit they are, both are/were bullies that have shown empathy and a possibility of being redeemed-- but are just dragged deeper into a dark pit for shitty luck and end up being a "villain". Both have been in a toxic/abusive family, and taken out their anger on the main character/s
A similar thing that might happen is Luka. I’m getting mad Jacob vibes from him. And, well, anyone who’s either read the Twilight series or watched Dominic Noble’s review series on it (yours truly is in the latter) should know what became of Jacob. And should know why I’m starting to fear for him.
@Lovely_Theaceae I know he was stuck in that situation, but that probably means even more that he should've been able to get a redemption-- if he came clean once everything was over and realized his family was wrong or just gotten a lil bit of support from Harry and his friends or someone-- literally anyone with empathy he might listen-- he could've gotten out of his mental state and become a better person. but JK was just pointlessly angry at him so no we just got sadness
It angers me because (in my opinion) Chloe is the most interesting character in the show and they could have done an excellent character arc for her. But no, they decided to go full “good guys are good guys and bad guys are bad guys”
I think what the creators of MLB need to realize is that their viewers GROW UP AND MATURE along with the show. Their viewers arent going to be kids forever. Just like other shows, they first start with a simple story setting. Which makes it easy for kids to understand. But as time passes by, the next seasons should already become more complex and serious.
In its begining Star wars the clone wars was a lazy show with some good episodes hidden in a sea of dumb episodes, but the show grow up and show us more mature plots with darker themes and better written characters, and even so much better animation and designs, i mean c'mon my second favorite star wars character ever is from this show. On the other hand miraculous has the same boring repetitive plots, the characters involve instead of evolve and turn even more annoying, to the point that in the few episodes i've seen i wanted the villain to win just for the episode to end faster. I dont even know how the show was so popular in first place, there's literally nothing new to offer in terms of the superhero (more like magical girl) genre.
@Alicia Chiminje MLB or ML is shorter and easier to type out. Plus on forum about Miraculous, nobody is going to think you're referring to baseball if you use the abbreviation.
Alicia Chiminje because MLB is the abbreviation? It’s faster and if you’re already talking about MLB you don’t need to repeat Miraculous over and over again. Why don’t you like it?
I really wish they would be just kept the seven miraculous. "Feast" provided a good reason for miraculous being super rare. When you have a hundred miraculous, it just doesn't matter anymore. "When everyone's super, no one is". They could've even had some fan service by marinette having Alya or Chloe's miraculous instead of a random one in "minimouse".
I mean, 100 is still a small number compared to the 2.1 million people in Paris. But yeah, for a show like this, fewer Miraculous is fine, maybe cap it at 20.
@@moonkingkei5547 There is several boxes we know of in addition to the show's Chinese one (and some you actually see in feast) the ones I've heard of are The North American, Greek/European Mythological, & African ones, and there may be a South American one too. basically any civilization that is younger than 5,000 years old and has enough myth to base it on - could have one - so Egyptian is a possibility too. It seems the Ladybug and Cat Noir jewels move around and not all boxes stay together. as we know LB & CN analogues were active in many regions of the world, including some places that may not have their own distinct boxes like Vietnam. I can see there is a possible "Box of Monsters" to where the Kwami are all based on twisted concepts. I do sometimes wonder if Kwami have the potential to become monsters too.
If you were to tell this to my old me who was a Ladybug fan, I'd be insulting you right now, but you're right, this show is rubbish. The worst thing was that, despite being a cliche, it had potential; But hey, Thomas is only interested in easy money.
@@insertcognomen zag clearly isn't, despite the fact that this is thier first big cartoon that succed so much on international media not just thiers televisions (or only meant for little chlidren), earned a lot of money and have such fanbase that most of thier earlier cartoons and productions did not have- they did produce some of cartoons earlier. Thomas on the other hand worked in the cartoon industry before too, maybe not as much as he do now but still- he had a chance to work for examle on Kod Lyoko and Witch so. He was a part of storyboard producers and he had a chance to be a part of scriptwriting so we can't say he was completly new to those world.
『 samantha』 I’m really sad about where the show is going. It’s kind of like the Pokémon franchise where no matter the premise is so good that the actual quality doesn’t matter so it’ll make a ton of money either way.
Cat Noir: **Solves World Hunger** Master Fu: **Doesn't Even Talk** LadyBug: **Uses Powers For Her Own Benefit, Mean To Her Partner, Stalker When She Is Not Ladybug** Master Fu: YoU aRe ThE bEsT mIrAcUlOuS hOlDeR eVeR lAdYbUg!
They made Marrinette so selfish and self centered. Did none of the writers realize her personality is worse than Chloe *and* Lila's? Chloe doesn't think what she does is good and Lila knows what she's doing is bad. However, even when Marintte acts selfishly and unfairly she believes her actions are justfied and faces NO consequences (???). They massacered my girl. 😔
Yeah! It makes no sense! Like, Chloe is perfectly aware that what she does isn’t good. But she feels like she can’t fully change the way she is, because the girl was LITERALLY MENTALLY ABUSED GROWING UP. Lila is perfectly aware that what she’s doing is bad, but legit doesn’t care because in her eyes she’s top dog. And Mari constantly makes selfish decisions, and yet has somehow convinced herself that IT’S PERFECTLY FINE TO ACT THIS WAY. Like, what?! Girl! No?! You’re supposed to be the hero of the story! Act like it!
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios not to mention she STAKS ADRIEN. I've lost so much hope that at this point I'm willing to ship Adrigami cause it seems much healthier -_-
yeah I mean like who would you rather be friends with a repulsive liar or a creepy-ass stalker who caused the end of the world in a different dimension who doesn't know boundaries
The Chloe thing is the one that annoys me the most, she has soooooooooooooooooooooo much potential for a complex character. Why do i feel like Thomas made Chloe irredeemable on purpose because maybe it is based on a real life bully he experienced in school so he is still butthurt cuz he seems to be very passionate about Chloe hate.
Ale Creates Honestly, chloe’s supposed redemption arc and her complex character would have been one of the show’s interesting highlights. Beyond the romance, a complex character who is a bully to the protagonist but is proven to be a worthy ally to her hero career with or without a miraculous and, change for the better chloe shows it. It could have been a lesson to children, you don’t need a special ability to be the best and to help ur idol. We have been given scenes where chloe has been a useful teammate to ladybug in both of her civilian and hero form in the 2nd season and it in a way carried to the third season. Its such a shame that concept was thrown in the trash in the last 2 episodes because of his hatred to chloe.
Idk man, the things shes done could potentially ruin peoples lives, I honestly dont care one bit if we never see her again, she was hella annoying. Besides this is a kids show, I doubt anybody really likes her anyway
Well, it's not like it's too late. As far as I'm concerned, she is still slowly becoming a good person, and as we've seen, what happened in the last two episodes isn't her fault at all and she had every right to do what she did. I mean, no matter what this guy writes in his twitter the show does not go along with it. At least yet.
can we PLEASE talk about the way that nobody acknowledges the fact that their ENTIRE CLASS gets a miraculous??? like nobody??? really?? NOBODY finds it suspicious that paris has never even seen an adult superhero
I always say this. If they just kept Rena, Carapace and Bee as permanent heroes who got their powers from Fu, and Chloe used her brain and didn’t reveal her identity, then it would look nowhere NEAR as suspicious as it does in canon. Five teenage heroes who may or may not go to different schools to one another looks more inconspicuous than 15 heroes who are all coincidentally from the same class, in the same school. I’m just saying. If you wanna sell merch, just have the 5 Miracusquad heroes use the remaining 12 Miraculous for fusions. Not only does it keep a low body count and maintains the focus on the main five, BUT you get way more stuff out of it. We’re talking 80 potential combos here. Obviously they don’t have to use all of them, but it’s just something to consider. Edit: Grammar mistake, and I used the calculator to figure out the actual total of possible fusions.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios One of my favourite fanfic lines was when one of the characters taunted an Akuma by asking him "I mean who designed your suit? A toddler?" And the Akuma INMEDIATELY turned onto them to attack. God.
It is so funny to me that Chloe is deemed "irredeemable" by the shows creators, and yet she is one of the very, *very* limited few to fight off Akumatization (a feat not even the shows main protagonists have done), showing that not only is she not evil, but morally stronger than the people you are supposed to be rooting for the most out of the entire cast
I wish she actually turned good, I just love her design, backstory and "character development" it feels like she is just fit for this role. but no, they decide to pick her somehow existing sister that has no true personality than just be nice. it's trying to make us hate a character for no reason. yes she bullies Marinette but at least make her character Arc feel like she's a better villain. after miraculous queen it's so stupid to make her the final villain.
Everyone is complaining about Marinette, but I honestly think Hawk Moth is the worst part of the show. He’s a very weak villain because he always uses the same evil plans and never learns or adapts from any of them. Plus, while his goal is sympathetic, he’s nothing but a psychopath who likes to hurt/manipulate his loved ones, especially in Cat Blanc. Even if he did succeed in that episode, what then? Marinette’s blood would have been on his hands and his son knew his identity, so what would he have done? Brush off her death and lock Adrien up forever? I mean, he’s pretty much already done that his whole life, but you know what I mean. Nevertheless, Hawk Moth is an awful villain and I hope the writers don’t give him the easy way out by sacrificing himself for some dumb reason. He’s already done too much bad and he needs to be punished when/if he gets defeated.
They might go the she ra route of everyone but last minute villain gets redeemed or maybe they will go the Steven universe route of everyone will be redeemed
@@mattblaster2378 istg I went from this, to Voltron and I'm currently watching She-Ra. Either I have bad taste is shows or every "childrens show" now is bad quality. I mean who cares, "It'S jUSt a kIdS sHoW".
Marinette is a good person, socially and relationship wise, she's a good role model. But when it goes to romantic interest or rivals, she's the worst example to follow. In the first season, she was tolerable and seemed somewhat realistic but after that nope. She felt less genuine, less likable, especially when her crushing goes really out of the water to borderline yandere like.
I find it hilarious she hates Chloe because she likes Adrien, when the girl has legitimate reasons for why she does. She grew up with him, and knows him better than Marinette. And last time I checked, Chloe’s never broken into Adrien’s house on three separate occasions.
Hey we can make a game called Miraculous Simulator. Mari is a yandere. Adrien is Senpai. Chole, Lila and other people who get close to Adrien are rivals. Idk that sounds like the show to me.
@ᔕᗯEET ᔕTᖇᗩᗯᗷEᖇᖇY I did. I just have a hard time rooting for Marinette and Adrien becoming a couple because Marinette barely knows him. She CLAIMS to, but really it’s just another celebrity crush. There’s nothing separating Marinette from all of Adrien’s other fangirls. At the very least I can understand where Chloe’s feelings are coming from.
i remember when they were redeeming chloe i was so happy that they were actually developing my girl but instead just drop it and it honestly breaks my heart that they’re sorta teaching kids that people can’t change
See, if they did that with the Diamonds in SU, and gave their redemption arc to Chloe, then we wouldn’t have a problem. I’m afraid this redemption arc problem doesn’t just exist in Miraculous Ladybug: I’ve seen multiple shows where the writers either A) don’t give a deserving character a chance at redemption or B) defy all logic and give redemption arcs to characters who are completely irredeemable. I believe this is because they’re trying to create the new Zuko. However, in doing so, they develop tunnel vision. From watching Avatar myself from the perspective of a writer, I can see the schematics of his redemption and why it worked so well. What most writers tend to forget is that Zuko didn’t immediately go from bad to good. We were shown his reasons for his actions through Iroh’s explanation to the Fire Nation soldiers, and what everyone glosses over when trying to upstage Zuko is that redemption isn’t a straight road from A to B. Nor is it something you can dish out to whatever character you feel like because you’re trying to be “subversive” or some nonsense. In my opinion, the best way to redeem a character is show that there is a potential for change in them. We saw that in Zuko. Then, once that seed is planted, build upon it and have the character work to earn their redemption. A second chance isn’t something that’s handed to you on a silver platter. It’s a virtue one must work for and truly earn. I feel like this could’ve worked so well with Chloe: draw parallels with her and her mother. Have her acknowledge her flaws, and that her behaviour isn’t acceptable. Have her EARN that redemption we want her to have.
i think why it feels so off for chloe to mot be redeemed is the fact that shes 15, shes been shown to be genuinely good, chloe actually wants to be a super hero and theres an episode where she uses all her willpower to not be akumatized. Ofc some ppl dont change but she was a bully/brat to begin with not an evil monster. She can always remain a bully but its so unlikely for her to be "evil"
I KNOW ya’ll aren’t obsessing over Marinette and Adrien while ignoring the healthy and stable couple that is Ayla and Nino. Why aren’t we getting to spend more time with them? They at least give me less second-hand embarrassment than Marinette with her constant obsessing over Adrien. Also, a few honourable mentions (including platonic relationships) because someone suggested this in the replies and damn these relationships need some development: Ivan and Mylene. Juleka and Rose. Chloe and her parents. Adrien and his dad. Adrian and Natalie. Chloe and Adrien. Everyone and their kwamis. Basically every relationship aside from Marinette and Adrien. The best part is that we don’t even spend much time with Marinette and Adrien anyway (aside from fan-service) because of the stupid, boring akuma attack that happens in the middle of every episode and makes me want to throw my phone out the window. Can Gabriel just give the audience some time to see the characters develop onscreen for once? It seems as though the daily akuma attacks are serving to make Marinette for example emotionally regress regarding her feelings for Adrien, since she seems to be getting more obsessed with him as time goes on.
THANK YOU!!!!! NINO X ALYA IS SUPERIOR AND IT SHOULD BE A BIGGER PART OF THE SHOW AND MORE FOCUSED UPON!!!!! LIKE HECK DJWIFI IS MY FAVOURITE SHIP IN THE WHOLE SHOW!! YOU ARE MY NEW FAVOURITE PERSON ❤️
Absolutely. I ADORE these two. We also need more of Ivan x Mylene. These two have a way healthier and cuter relationship than Marinette and Adrien. Both them and DJWiFi are couple goals and I’m here for it lol.
Imagine this: right after Marinette is free from getting akumatized, she just blankly stares at the camera for a few seconds. Tears go down her cheeks as no one behind her can see her silently crying. She's terrified of how close Hawkmoth got. But the scene is almost silent. That would have HIT. But nah. Gotta rush through that plot.
It is a really good idea but if Marinette starts crying she would be akumatize because the akumas go to people that are emotional and she would be very emotional in that moment.
@@mirkala8696 i think a cry of relief could've been totally possible without akumatization! (but idk how they could make it clear that it was relief and not sadness)
It also confused me how Marinette can know the identity of other heroes, but not the one she fights with side by side through most of the show. It would’ve made more sense to either have a kwami give them the rundown when a miraculous appears near them, or if the guardian (his name just isn’t coming to me right now) gave them the rundown instead of ladybug.
Yes. That's exactly how it should've been. Because why should she know everyone's identities? That's not fair. Either let your partner Chat Noir know about them too or have Master Fu/ a Kwami handle the other miraculous users on the team. But of course, Master Fu has lost memories of the Miraculous so he probably isn't returning anytime soon. Ugh MLB has potential but it can be so frustrating to watch especially when you can see some of its problems.
I keep feeling so bad for Chat Noir. He's constantly being left out of all these Miraculous-related things and aside from the time he was finally introduced to Master Fu, he's still being treated as a sidekick and not a partner. He doesn't even know that Nino, his best friend, is Carapace.
Well, the thing is they aren't "permanent" miraculous holders like Marinette and Adrien, I have a feeling that they are holders of the miraculous for longer than the others will be as seen in Timetagger when they are adults they still hold the miraculous. Master Fu chose them, and Marinette choses the temporary ones. As we see from miss chloe, the more miraculous let out into the world, the more danger they represent to the world as a whole. When akumatized, Cat Noir becomes Cat Blanc and gains a more enhanced destructive superpower, the ladybug and cat miraculous are far more powerful and if in the wrongs hands could possibly destroy the world. Sometimes people go about things the wrong way but Marinette is only giving them these miraculous to help her, not be apart of her team for a long time, the less they know the better, so if their families or friends are threatened by hawkmoth and he knows their true identities, they won't be able to give anything away, that's probably why for a whole damn season ladybug and cat noir were the only miraculous holders, but as we see, Master Fu didn't just lose the butterfly miraculous, he lost the peacock as well, and this bring on a whole other villain. Remember, they are adults, smart ones as well, so if it takes more than just a couple of damn teenagers, you can't blame marinette for needing more help. They are just teenagers facing MAGICAL shit. Honestly, having a kwami explain it would probably put them in a weird situation, I don't know what you do but who opens a box on a sidewalk anyway, and the Kwami won't have time to explain the whole situation, they are temporary as I said before, they are only needed to get the job done, nothing more, nothing less. Ladybug can't possibly know in advance if she needs another Miraculous or not, which she only does need sometimes on screen. No matter what, they won't have enough time to be told all of this, Master Fu can't do it either. I personally think having a human explain it would be easier on the nerves than a kwami, but hey, this is a universe where they are already used to weird magical stuff happening. If anything happens to Cat Noir, like in Cat Blanc, Marinette needs to be able to stop it and if needed take his miraculous away, she can't let her feelings get in the way of her work, which is why she can't know who Cat Noir really is. This is just my take on it though.
It would’ve been better if Master Fu gave the other heroes their powers, not LB. It would’ve been a lot more interesting, and a lot less biased. Just think about it.
YESSS!! she always says her and cat noir can’t know each other’s identities or else hawk moth will use him as a way to get to her but she knows Rena rouge (Alya HER BEST FRIEND) queen bee (chloe her enemy but still) and carapace (her friend) and kagami’s (her friend) identities so hawk moth just won’t use them against her just cat noir??? Like that doesn’t make sense whatsoever but obviously they want the big reveal to be BIG and EXCITING...also they make Adrien dumb and blind to keep the show going if he knew her identity or vice versa the show would end hopefully it won’t though cause I want to see what happens after they know each others identities but yea sry for the rant
I feel like marinette really wasn't thinking about a costume when she transformed (I mean to me I feel like out of all the miraculous holders in the show Marinette by far has the most realistic/best first reaction to seeing a kwami) But you do have a good point, since out of all the costumes ladybugs is the most basic and pretty boring overall (even though she is the main character of the show)
the thing about astruc calling chloe irredemable and the worst is the fact that pretty much confirms that gabriel is somehow better than chloe. yes, the old man who, when he found out adrien is chat noir, SMILED and immediately jumped at the opportunity to use this new reveal to further his own agenda and was literally willing to sacrifice his own son's happiness in the process ALL BECAUSE he wanted his wife back (and yes, let's not forget the fact he doesn't show any regret or remorse upon realizing he was beating up his son and his gf for a year, at the very least), is SOMEHOW better than a 15 year old brat who suffers from being raised by shitty parents. i'm still disappointed at season 3
Sure, the man who persuades innocent civilians and manifests their negative emotions to utilize them to attack KIDS, and also uses them to terrorize people and literally corrupts everyone into supervillains, is somehow more better than a common high school bully.
@@nra3zehuti781 .... i actually didnt think of that, holy shit like if he can make chat blanc, and akuma that destroyed the world, and an akuma that he made specifically to buff himself up why doesnt he make a healing akuma lol like there arent really any restrictions on his powers than "only one akumatised person at a time" so???
The worst thing in this is that in S1 in the episode with King Kong (Adrien's Bodyguard) Gabrielle is so scared that Adrien isn't chat noir and that he put his son in huge danger for nothing and they change this idk for me it was such a 180° for Gabriel Character
Technically Hawk Moth could have ended the series by using a akuma on himself to give himself the power to track miraculous or powers to literally gain all miraculous around the world (though there might be limitations, kwamibuster and feast episode prove otherwise)
"we thought she was redeemable. She wasn't." Jesus Christ, he talks about Chloe like she's a serial killer. Also, she's a character HE created, it's not like she's acting on her own and he's a disappointed father going: "Where did I go wrong with you?!" One more thing: maybe I'm forgetting something, but in Chat Blanc Chat Noir reveals his secret identity to Marinette, but he never gives up his miraculous, right?
Lol if anything I have Marinette chalked up as a serial killer. At least Chloe has the integrity to not break into her crush’s house on three separate occasions.
Honestly, Hawk Moth is one of my favourite TV show villain of all time. 1. So much Back story 2. His son is the hero and he doesn't even know it. 3. HE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS. Yes, what he is doing is wrong and he should just move on, but he thinks this is the only way. HE THINKS THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GET HIS FAMILY TOGETHER. He is BLINDED BY HIS LOVE. 4. I have a feeling he had something to do with his wife's death. Whether she had the peackock Miraculous and went into a coma for using it while it's broken. OR maybe she sacrificed her life for him SO HE FEELS AS THOUGH ITS HIS FAULT. 5. HE CARES ABOUT HIS SON. He just doesn't show it and is having a hard time moving on. 6. HE NEVER REALLY KILLED ANYONE. Maybe it's because despite the general audience being teenagers and up, ut was intended to be a "kida show" so they didnt kill off a character. But still. 7. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND ITS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE IT LESS CLICHÉ: He *isn't hungry for power!* WE SEE IN THE EPSIODE "Feast" he was *WILLING TO GIVE HIS MIRACULOUS TO THE SENTIMONSTER AFTER COMPLETING HIS WISH!* Rather than be hungry for power just for the fun of it. I mean, I am so fed up with TV shows and series JUST BEING A FREAKING CLICHÉ "EVIL" VILLAIN THATS WANTS TO RULE THE WORD JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING POWER. I think Thomas is capable of creating great characters like Hawk Moth if he really put his mind to the task and if he was *WILLING TO*
Another thing about Lila is that when she sprained her wrist she it was her left at first and then she says it’s her right later in the episode and nobody even questions it. I also agree with the Max thing. Like sir you wear glasses anyway
i repeatedly threw a paper towel at my eye because i wear glasses. even if it could cause harm, it was big enough that it could get past them. not to mention blinking. something that big and close to your eye would make you blink.
Right!! I'm sure they have cameras in the school and how she literally walked down the stairs and sat down about her ankle without being seen by anyone at all vexes me
Yeah, the paper towel was in line with Max's _chest,_ not even his head or neck, Akso, Lila, no you can't gouge out someone's eye with a paper towel. I don't know if you felt them before, but paper towels are flexible and (sometimes not always) soft. Edit: spelling
Just a little story: in my old high school we basically had a Lila. She was new, she was fun, she was extroverted, she was nice... and also had two thousand interesting stories that totally happened in her 14 years of life. Difference? Absolutely no one believed her from day 1. She ended up pretty alone, was always trying to start drama, and the only people who could stand her had to severly look over how big of a liar she was. Yeah, when Lila was introduced I was frustrated.
@Alicia Chiminje in Lilas defense, when you put everything in context it doesn't sound too ridiculous that the class buys all of Lila's tales. the school she goes at has a lot of rich kids or are kids of famous parents, i mean ffs Chloe is the mayors daughter (also youd be surprised how easy it is to fool rich people in real life take a look at Anna Delvey who made New York socialites believe she is from prestigious rich family) and many kids in the class including marinette have met and know a celebrity or again have a celeb parent so when Lila lies about meeting Prince Ali obviously people wont be surprised about it since one of their classmate also has met him. also we are talking about the same class who would buy every bullshit lie Marinette and Adrien would throw at them so that they could exit the scene to transform so why wouldn't they believe in Lila's?
When Adrien and Marinette find out hawkmoths identity it’s not going to be that emotional. We don’t spend enough time with Adrien getting to see his families good side for when the times comes to feel heartbroken. Also I kinda wish Adrien like saved the day once because in 3 seasons I don’t remember a time where chat noir saved the day and I hate it because he feels more like a sidekick rather than a partner to Ladybug.
My guess is that Ladybug or another character (like Lila or Félix) find out about it first, thus taking away a good chunk of impact about the reveal, like in that gacha miraculous season 2 vid, where they figure out his identity after he akumatizes his comatose wife.
I vaguely recall someone asking Thomas about Chat getting a chance to shine but his response was just "Ladybug is the hero! She's the name of the show! She's the strong female character! We can't let a BOY take that away!" or something like that. Which...that's not great. Because you're right, instead of Chat being her partner, he is automatically relegated to always being second fiddle (or worse, the number of times he's been an outright antagonist turned AGAINST her) because how DARE we suggest depth to the story.
”Instead of wasting time on people who could eventually be nice, we’d better give more love to people who actually are nice” what kind of bs is that??? The reason people are mean to begin with is usually because they were treated poorly within childhood. For Chloe, her mom left her and her dad was probably always busy, as well as Adrien might have been busy with his obligated hobbies. Chloe didn’t have that many people around her growing up and was most likely spoiled to keep her entertained and distracted. And it is shown many times that if you just treat someone with a bit of kindness, they might change to become a better person, which we have seen in Chloe a couple of times now. I remember being so disappointed seeing her development DROP in season 3 when she got akumatize AGAIN for the 3RD TIME. I’m not a fan of Chloe, but I really *REALLY* want to give her a chance on becoming a good character and a good representation, that someone can change for the better with a bit of patience and help
Elisa Castro Yes, there are people like that, I agree with ya, but in this case I’m focusing more on Chloe’s past. However, I can change the comment if you want?
Long post but, I'm not a fan of Chloe. BUT I do think she is wasted potential. First off, Adrien states Chloe and him used to be friends. So they might have bonded because they have the similarity of busy parents (Adrien with Gabriel, Chloe with her mom and her dad being mayor). Anyway, the show could of showed us Adrien and Chloe flashbacks. Why was Adrien friends with Chloe? What did they like about each other? What was Chloe like in the past? Was she different from how she is currently in the show? Second off, they could do this interesting dynamic with Chloe and Marinette which is rivals that turned into friends and this ends up developing both characters. Let's remember that Marinette did guide Chloe to her mother one episode so Chloe could discuss you know, her sadness over her mother not loving her. This is the point where Chloe could of thought of Marinette differently because well she's helping her even though Chloe hasn't been the kindest to her. Also let me just reanalyze that scene. Marinette was acting mean about Chloe to see if her mom will defend her, assessing Chloe's relationship with her mom. We see Chloe's mom get (for some reason angry even though this woman was being dismissive of Chloe the whole episode. I really don't get that characterization but anyway, after Chloe's mom gets mad, Chloe has this whole talk about how she doesn't have friends and she bonds with her mother. Except this isn't really bonding. The whole scene seemed like Chloe only acts dismissive of others cause that's the behavior that her mother will approve, and this is also the behavior that gets her close to her mother. Her mother wasn't close with her till then. This brings me to my whole deal where have Chloe realize that whole weird acting Marinette did, while she appreciates Marinette's kind intentions, that wasn't the way to go. Actually, have Chloe try to understand why Marinette isn't straightforward with her kind intentions? (Like why she won't tell Adrien the scarf she gave him isn't actually from his father. And have Chloe be like, "While it's nice of you to try to spare Adrien hurt, he's just going to be more hurt by knowing that gift was a lie." Marinette goes through development in learning honesty (all while having her moral grayness analyzed), Chloe goes through development because you learn about her becoming kind (because Marinette and Adrien tried to help her), and you get some Adrien development too because oh hey, we learn more about how he feels about his dad. Boom, 3 characters developing. Maybe a complicated love triangle or happy friend trio but point is they're all developing.
Agrrr... Chloe is one of the best characters of this show. She really had the potential, she was really changing somehow, she had a development finally. But what did Astruc say about this? Hahaha. That's one of the many reasons for disliking him. I just need to talk about this to someone. Because even my bf said that Chloe is awful :c
Yeah.. Honestly I don’t generally like his mindset. Already based of his tweet, ”instead of wasting time on people who could eventually be nice, we better give love to people who are nice” just shows how horrible his mindset is. Saying that there’s no bother in helping someone (who potentially can and is willing to change) change for the better is a complete waste of time. That’s not how you treat people. Also, it’s funny how he says Chloe is so unredeemable because of how ”evil” she is for being a bully, yet we have a firebender prince who has destroyed plenty of homes, and has hurt a lot of people physically, yet he has an incredibly wonderful redemption arc and is a likeable character. So honestly his excuse of Chloe being unredeemable is a big bullcrap
@@pixelwashere9720 yeah, and now let's remember Marinette, how awful she acts, and how hardly Astruc protects her, that's horrible, double standards incharge
kids aren't dumb, having slightly more thought out stories and characters actually help with their development and thinking process. consuming media that makes kids think and reflect on characters and morals is good. so the argument that " it's just a kids show" really doesn't work.
@@unicornbunny5439 Well, the excuse that it's for kids only exits when bad writters want to defend thenselves. Little do they know that that excuse just makes them seems worse
It’s true. If you’re going’s to do something it well. To this very day people still talk about Avatar the Last Airbender and treat it like the masterpiece that it is.
I can't anymore. I can't even watch the show anymore. The incessant, they discover each other, they forget, they discover each other, they forget, the new ships that feel so forced...I just can't.
GIRL SAME,i m getting tired and bored by this show. I feel like every new episode is pointless, like there is a new supervilain each time and a new plot to fight him but at the end nothing change. This is how they keep us watching, we think there are something new in these episodes but it doesnt move the plot at all. The characters stay the same and i find it kinda sad bc i really love the concept ! It could have been really great..i feel like every cartoons i love is being ruined by his writer( first danny phantom, now miraculous..)
Looking back at concept art and the pilot version, it feels like Miraculous could have been SO much better. The concept actually felt lively and heart wrenching. One example of this is; Jeremy Zag and others wanting to show Paris as a character rather than a postcard (I think that’s what they said), and the PV proves how that could have been done. The 3D version shows Paris as a sandbox, not to mention the fact everything is so small and empty and they show the Eiffel Tower like a million times as if there’s nothing else to the city.
I love the PV... All the times I see it I end up crying something like: "WHY WE DON'T HAVE THIS SHOW INSTEAAAD😭😭😭 WHYYYYY😭😭😭😭" Also, i like Bridgette and Felix more than Adrien and Marinette... Bridgette just seems more cute and funny and Felix is a perfect tsundere, and I love tsundere characters 🤣
@@cervanera2228 Bridgette is not a thing though. The PV Marinette is still Marinette. They didn't replace her like Felix. The fans just came up with the name, started using it in fanworks leading many to believe that Bridgette was an official character. Also I think PV Marinette would be just as creepy it's just that the video is too short to show it properly.
Yeah, it's a city, not just a few locations. Wait, I have a fun game. Name more than 5 locations this show mentions by name that are real world places specifuc to Paris, I can think of 3 at best.
@@safilan8643 I know, but I call her Bridgette to separete her by Marinette. Also, yes, she had the potential to be a yandere, but al least she was cute and funny... And probably she was meant to have a proper character development, unlike Marinette😒
What I never got about Chloe is that she was ROUTINELY preyed upon by both villains and she rejected them despite them having exactly what she wanted. The fact she 180’d in the season finale made no sense since she was on the way to improving throughout the past two seasons.
One thing I hate about the show is when every episode IS LITERALLY THE SAME. There’s nothing new other than like 1% story development. The fights are bland, always ending with SUPER OVERPOWERED lucky charm. Like I would love to see an episode where they win a fight without using Lucky charm, or maybe lose for once?
I would have stopped watching the show if not for that 1% development. I almost wish I could watch drama/tea channels for Miraculous to get the gist of whatever development there was in a new episode without having to sit through the entire thing
Well in most super hero movies they never lose because losing means game over, but they could temporarily lose or make a very very very close call. The moment Totally Spies is a better constructed show, you know you effed up.
@@pinkneko13 totally spies is actually great. they have intense fighting scenes and their characters actually grow from season 1 to the last one. it's a LOT better than miraculous ladybug 🤷🏽♀️
hAhA rAnDoM- anyway now that you're aware we're talking about something else,, Coroika. Or Splatoon Manga. Similar situation for both, I wish they would lose more. (Both Blue Team, and Ladybug and Cat Noir) Like, they should understand they're not the best. Not at the top. There's other people, better *and* worse than their level. But there was a moment in Coroika where Blue Team lost. To Skull's team from the S4, they realized they're no longer at, I suppose, the top. They train, they learn how to figure out that they need to work to be up there. But, uhm, not in Miraculous. They... just win all the time... that's it. soyeahimgonnastopuntilthecommentistoolongforsomebodytowanttoreadalsosorryfortalkingaboutstupidsquidmangaahahahahasoyepimdonehereahahahahabye
The fact that he hates chloe when his own female protagonist just pertaining her unhealthy behaviors to adrien are she kept his schedule. which I dont know how she got which if it's from following Adrien around even more so then stealing his phone. reading his trash that was thrown away and deciding it be a good idea to send him a poem based on the poem he threw away. joining a gaming tournament just to spend time with Adrien and almost loosing max his spot even though she doesn't care about the competition. doesn't tell master fu right away that the kwami book was in adrien's possession because she was worried adrien could be hawkmoth. She also joined the fencing team just to impress adrien and just gives Adrien the win when him and kagami were fencing when she didn't know who won. In the episode frightengale she was going to not play lb to protect her identity but when chloe says she'll be ladybug with Adrien mari just goes against her better judgment and plays lb. joining forces with chloe to stop Adrien from spending time with kagami. Then by teaming up with kagami just to sabotage her so she doesn't spend time with Adrien to make sure they dont fall in love.tells jagged to pick Adrien as his guitarist even though Adrien has trouble making it to practice and luka is the obvious choice with music basically being his one defining trait and is great at it. ditching her friends to pose as a boy to sneak into a party to be around adrien the awkward statue thing and breaking into his house even though Adrien knows lila's a liar she also has a chest full of future birthday gifts for adrien which is unsettling. Gives kagami the dragon miraculous just to stop her time with Adrien and getting insanely angry any time a girl wants to date him that can actually ask him out even though there not a couple or anything of the sorts to warrant that reaction she does randomly kiss his cheek in season 2 ep 26 but that didn't seem that bad and Adrien seems to just think it was a thank you or something cause it's never spoken of again which is bad writing and I didn't like the switched kwami episode because it made marinette completely capable as chat but made Adrien hopeless as ladybug and everything felt off amazing video and really well said
yeah I assumed so since there in france but that's how they ended the 2nd season and there is no follow up which is the dumb writing in there part especially when all the side characters were cheering and Adrien and marionette's relationship is a major plot point so for them to kiss on the cheek for the 2nd season finale to have no effect on that side plot is so annoying but I totally get yah thanks for the reply
@@cristaljustice4534 you came to a video titled why miraculous ladybug is a mess rant it's in the title saying its criticism for miraculous ladybug and chat noir a kids show even though there are many good kid show like Kim possible, danny phantom and of course avatar the last airbender so why are you watching this video if you dont think people should critique kid aimed shows
@@abbyward2952 im watching this video because I wanted her to discuss about their storyline and how bad it becomes. The episodes are repetitive and this love triangle is getting messy and frustrating. And btw my comment was my critique so it doesn't matter if you don't agree with me but it is my opinion and I didn't force the comment on you to believe every word I say
I used to love this show. I really did. The identity thing did mildly annoy me because of the fact that not only do Marinette and Adrian don't really look that much different when they're Ladybug and Chat Noir (except for messier hair and different eyes for the ladder), but also the fact that LITERALLY NO ONE is suspicious of either of them because they ALWAYS suddenly go missing whenever there's an akuma attack.
I agree, but I feel like that since the show is of the superhero/magical girl variety, it’s kinda expected. Like in Sailor Moon, Usagi’s magical girl uniform literally looks like her school one and she has the same hair and voice, but no one suspects anything. It’s a cliche for these shows.
I guess like Sailor Moon there is an implied magic effect that protects identity - some Ladybugs don't even don a mask and remain a mystery to all. I think the problem would fall down if LB was ever Marinette in disguise as LB and was seen as such to closely - But neither recognized the other's voice in feast or during Kwami Buster or even noticed that Marinette & LB sound the same when they are talking to each other.
People doesn’t think about look who knows maybe adrien think ladybug eyes are green or marinette think something Else but my point here people think about their personality they just don’t act like themselves like adrien never flirt and marinette is something.....
I hate the excuse that "It's just a kid's show!" for bad writing, character development, plot, etc. Not only does ATLA exist but B:TAS existed in the 90s. Heck, Mister Rogers talked about Divorce and Death and that was a show for preschoolers. They should just admit they're lazy or don't know what they're doing. Also, read some fanfiction, it's sometimes better.
At this point I feel so awful for Adrien because he now has to live knowing about Marinette’s creepy ibsession with him, has an absent father, “dead” mother, and is left in the dark about literally everything and is still expected to trust Ladybug. If I were him I would be demanding answers from Ladybug because the trust between the two is not balanced at all, and I just wanna give him a hug and tell him to take a break. If it keeps up much longer, Cat Noir’s gonna lose his faith and trust in Ladybug, and I won’t blame him for it
Bunnylover UWU I would happily give him a big hug and a croissant. And have a talk with him just so that he can let all of his problems out to someone who is willing to listen.
I'm late but here's my piece. How do the normal citizens of Paris feel about this? About superheroes, supervillains, akumas? Paris being attacked constantly? Innocent citizens being mind controlled or caught up in a fight? The chance of becoming a supervillain if their emotions get out of hand? The fact that it's obviously children/teens handling this? That the government isn't taking action? Are parents not worried about their kids? Does no one want to live in Paris anymore? Has any spoke up about their concerns? Does none of the previously akumatized or affected talk about their experiences? How do people feel about this? Everyone else in the city seems so blasé about the whole thing. Such worldbuilding would be really great.
Exactly! Besides, how frequent are you that angry that you become akumatized? And you're right, where is the government in this? Why isn't the government making these teachers teach their kids about anger issues? Why isn't this government helping? There's only a mayor that does nothing about these akumatizations. Then there's Ms.Bustier that gets akumatized all because marinette said to chloe "Nothing, just like in kindergarten." Or something like that. That made Chloe to destroy Marinette's gift to Ms.Bustier. Ms.Bustier is a nice teacher that actually helps her students. Maybe she should be a health teacher or something.
You'd think that schools and other work areas would probably have more mental and emotional guidance counselors in order to reduce akumatizations, but noooo. Also, seriously where is the government in all this!? I'm also genuinely surprised not one of the citizens that have been attacked by an akuma (sometimes having NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES) have some form of trauma or left the city for their protection. Is everyone really just okay with this? But I guess since OP Lucky Charm will save the day, tHeY hAvE nOtHiNg To WoRrY aBoUt.
@@gabbyella1158 In one of my fanfictions, the President of France comes down to Paris to give a speech about this and since a incident happens at the school, the School´s closed and the current Mayor is temporarily fired while a Vice Mayor gets in charge, eventually the characters that come to bring lawfulness in Paris are undermined by Gillet Jaunes protests and HM uses the oportunity to akumatize more people.
Honestly? Sofia The First is a better structured show than this and it aired on Disney. Jr. Sure, there are a lot of episodes that are just haha funny talking animals, but there is also so much character, a villain goes from being willing to let Sofia die to be willing to die for her, and it feels authentic because the development is so gradual, the stakes are real, they don't shy away from characters inner dilemmas while still showing larger threats. It covers being bullied throughout your entire life, having to deal with the fact your mom can't be only with you all the time, what it can feel like to have people not see your step-dad as your "real" dad, what consequences high expectations from parents can bring, what it's like to have nobody believe in you, that you're not always the good guy, etc. And Sofia grows so much throughout the show. She's still the same person in terms of morals and values, but she's not the same as she was at the beginning. If Sofia the fucking first can manage all this, why can't Miraculous Ladybug?
This is so true. I watched all 4 seasons and seeing the growth of not only Sofia but characters like Hugo,Amber or Cedric get character development and grow was amazing to see in a kids show. Sofia the first hit all points and could not only be enjoyed by kids, but I as a teenager had a good time watching it. Very good kids show, way better then Miraculous.
One of the reasons I hate the season 3 finale is because Chat was once again put down by Ladybug. At least let him prove his trustworthiness by holding half of the Miraculouses in his possession! He is just as capable as Ladybug, yet I feel he is constantly being underestimated and out shined by her. Weredad was SO CLOSE to letting Chat prove himself by beating Mari's father and saving her, BUT NO APPARENTLY. Ladybug just had to swoop in and "save the day". Don't even get me started on Chrismaster! *long siiiiigggghhhhh* I'm just done with you Thomas.
The Ladybug and Chat partnership has to be the most frustrating thing about this show to me. The show says they are supposed to be equals, but it feels like Chat barely reaches sidekick status. He never has a chance to really save the day on his own. He either needs to be rescued or gives one good idea before Ladybug takes over. There are all these rules for why Chat needs to be kept in the dark about things, but somehow Ladybugs gets to be the exception to all these rules. Chat only found out about the guardian because a transformation potion was need to defeat the villain of the week. Chat doesn't get to know the identity of any of the other Heroes that Ladybug picks and she is the who gets to choice if the Guardian doesn't. In the Timetagger episode, we get to hear how awesome Ladybug is and how many tough villains she defeated. All Chat gets is a 'you still mess things up'. It makes me feel so bad for Adrian with everything he has to put up with.
Marinette could've called Adrien and told him his dad was trying to break them up. They could've dated in secret, similar to the way Adrien and Kagami sneak around. There were so many options
@@trashtheartist9420 I hate Miracle Queen more. They waste the only character to ever resist an Akuma because a 15-year-old girl is irredeemable. I thought her story was going somewhere 🤦🏾♀️
@@trashtheartist9420 I feel the exact same thing! To me that episode was so annoying because it came with the time travelling bs. Tbh, for me, introducing a time travelling ark in a show is almost never a good idea. Specially into the future, because it almost feels like you`re getting spoilers by the show itself. I mainly despised that episode because it gave me the"ADRiEN AND MARINETTE CANT BE TOGETHER, NOT EVEN IN THE FUTURE,AHAH TAKE THAT WE ARE GONNA MILK THE CRAP OUTTA THIS" vibe.
@@smg3250 Both Chat Blanc and Miracle Queen are pretty bad.. Marinette (unsurprisingly) gets blamed for literally everything again. Oh, she wanted to give her crush a hat she made- she caused the whole world to perish, and now she must erase her name from the gift instead of lying to Adrien (who literally jumped to a conclusion, so this is actually *his* fault) because we like to torment her!!! Oh, what's that? Ladybug didn't transform when going to get a miraculous, even though she was being followed by Hawkmoth- who was watching her every move? Too bad, it's Ladybug's fault that Hawkmoth got the Miracle Box. To top it all off, it's also Ladybugs fault that she chose the dragon Miraculous instead of the Bee, because it's not like she explained to Chloe why she can't be Queen Bee anymore- right? Other than those offenses... Time travel always makes things unnecessarily complicated, and there's not much point in having Chat be akumatized. They don't learn anything, and the episode is more like a kick to the fans who want the reveal to happen Miracle Queen is.. boring. It didn't have as much tension as the last finale, and the way they handled Fu is the literal worst. What was stopping Ladybug from grabbing the Pegasus miraculous and teleporting to Fu and bringing him back? Why did Ladybug dismiss Longg when she had two more powers left? It all seems like a convoluted way to make Marinette miserable.. There's so many things that would've been infinitely more interesting.. like how about putting the akuma into the miracle box instead? That would've been so cool.. but no, we got a half assed finale that just made me more mad than anything else Huh.. now I honestly want to re-write the show.. hm...
Don’t worry! We got the infinitely better Mari Sue Zoe- I mean Misty! We have 1000% more niceness and 100% less depth! And the best character backstory ever! Get this: she wants to be an actor. Truly immaculate. Oh? You say you want flaws? Don’t worry! We’ll just have people keep saying that she’s so amazing. We’re so smart writers right? Don’t worry old Cyrus. At least we got Guilt trip.
@KEVIN AMAYA-CALDERON Having high school protaganists as kid shows are...honestly a really strange choice. Most "kid shows" have elementary or middle school protaganists. Dont get me wrong Im not expecting sexuality and social issues (even though it would be realistic for highschool students tbh), im not even expecting a sailor moon (which got darker as the series went on honestly) but I feel like high school protaganist shows should be at least a _little_ more mature.
Sorry if I offended any twelve or below readers, honestly I just turned thirteen a few months ago, so I'm not even far ahead. I wasnt trying to call anyone stupid, or less observant, I was simply trying to be funny and make a joke, just like most people you meet in the comment sections. I'm sorry if you were offended, but that was not my intent, I'm very sorry if it came across as such
It annoys me how the show is called Miraculous: tales of ladybug AND CHAT NOIR, he is such an important character and he just gets brushed to the side. In season 4 I hope that half the episodes will mainly focus on Marinette’s life and the other half will mainly focus on Adrian’s life.
remember when master fu said that he won’t leave until hawkmoth was defeated? Well guess what, they decided to throw that away by making him lose his memory.
Dude they’re putting too much attention on Mari so everyone else is just set pieces like you said. Seriously, MARI IS THE MOST BORING AND RATHER CREEPY PROTAGONIST. STOP MAKING HER SEEM LIKE THE GOD OF ALL PEOPLE.
Marinette was okay in most of season 1 and stuff; I actually thought most of her character is interesting. But after that she just really got annoying, and definitely became more creepy with her crush.
Fandom Central I really liked Season 1 & 2 Marinette. She was a person who always tried to make things right, and even though she could be impulsive at times she did try and fix her mistakes. Also, her entire character didn’t revolve around Adrien. My favourite Marinette moment has to be in the Queen’s Battle Arc. Mari sacrificed possibly the biggest chance of becoming a famous fashion designer (her goal in life) because she saw that Chloe- the girl who has done nothing but torment her- needed the opportunity to go to New York more. Hell, she even willingly gave her back the Bee Miraculous because she saw the potential in her. AND she organised a party for her! S2 Marinette was the BEST! I miss her so much! 😫
How to do a Miraculous Ladybug episode : Step 1 : *10 minutes of the story who is actually interesting sometimes* Step 2 : *Make from this 10 minutes story 5 minutes about Marinette loving Adrien* Step 3 : *aCuMmAtTySe someone* Step 4 : *They transform* Step 5 (Bonus) : *Add a superhero who is going to get forgotten* Step 6 : *Have 15 minutes of them fighting even tho Marinette can just use her lucky charm from the begining* Step 7 : *They win* Step 8 : *2 minutes of story* *Good job you made your own Miraculous Ladybug episode!*
I hate how every single time they introduce someone you immediately know they’re turning evil, you’re pre-determined to not like their character no matter how good it could be
I'm still convinced that the protagonist should've been Adrien. He's flawed, but he wants to be better. He got some tragic origins. He's actually capable of self defense and a very educated person. He could actually trust his team mates, and be clear with them since he knows for sure what's to be lied to and the loneness. Even as a civilian or as a hero, he's a better person than Marinette. Adrien was willing to sacrifice his freedom for a stranger. (The origins episode) I'll always think that Marinette was just a lucky Looney girl who just got the miraculous, and her reason to love Adrien is dumb. Very similar to Helga, but in Helga's case, it actually work. It's just frustrating that Master Fu favors Marinette instead of training both of the original miraculous users.
Can we talk about how valid this argument is, but when it's brought up to thomas he's reasoning for Marinette being our main protagonist is because she's a girl and that he specifically states how "Girls are naturally superior to boys". Like listen, we're not saying adrien should be leader because he's a guy but because in general his character is more balanced than that of Marinette's. And it's not like I hate marinette either but there are so many things in her character that you can't not question.
@Alicia Chiminje ok but same goes for Adrien. He's madly in love with lady bug but refers to Marranette as a friend because he's so inlove with lady bug.
There are just too many heros at this point, I get that 2 get boring after a while but I swear to god why does half the class have a miraculous? Why aren't there any adult heros? And why all from the same class? It's just too much
It was fine with the S2 heroes. 5 is a reasonable team size. But now they’ve lost the plot completely. Thomas, how the hell does 15 heroes ALL from the same class look more inconspicuous than 5 heroes who may or may not attend the same school in your books? Like, c’mon.
they’re all literally 14-15 years old. marinette was 13 when she was given the miraculous. why the fuck would the last remaining miraculous guardian give superpowers to kids. out of everyone in paris. 14 year olds.
oikawa tooru holy shit, everyone's 14-15?? That's insane, they are way too young for a miraculous. I am actually kinda confused on why they are portrayed as much more older than they seem. I though they we at least 16 or 17.
One more argument for Chloe: in the episode Ladybug (I think) where Marinette was akumatized (briefly) along with practically the rest of the class- for them it happened bcuz they didn’t trust Marinette, and instead trusted Lila. BUT! Guess who didn’t get akumatized (because they believed her) Chloe and Sabrina. Say it again people. Chloe. And. Sabrina. Trusted. Marinette. Instead. Of. Lila. Is she really that bad?
OMG can you imagine if maybe Sabrina convinced Chloe Marinette isn’t that bad? Or if she came to that conclusion herself after what Marinette did for her in Queen Wasp and Malekdiktator?
i find it also incredibly disgusting that Thomas calls Chloe irredeemable and evil when clearly she is a child suffering from Neglect and abuse. As a child from neglect and abuse i find it horribly offensive that someone who is obviously struggling and acting out portrayed on tv to KIDS. Is quote on quote "evil". Sure she does bad things and sure she bullies everyone and thinks she's better then everyone. BUT if you had your parents not care about you and your father be spineless and give you whatever you want to hide the fact your mother doesn't care about you, you would sure as hell be the same way. Neglect isn't something you can joke around. Its damaging to a kid. It makes you feel worthless and unloved and crave attention. I know when i was being neglected, i was angry and i would act out for people to pay attention. id kick my walls in and throw tantrums a lot. I would use people and push them away to not let them get close to me. Inside i was suffering and i used a wall i built up to avoid being left alone and loved so it wouldn't hurt. You could tell that when she got her miraculous she felt like she had a purpose. Of course, due to her raising she thought it was a toy at first but she believed in Ladybug because she saw her as this strong person. Even to the point of dressing up like her. (which from neglect i did that too to feel like i was stronger and loved by everyone. I did this with cat noir when it first came out and it got so bad i wanted to become a boy just to be like him. Which now is embarrassing because he has no character anymore lol). She was growing and wanted to be what she dreamed of so that she doesn't have to be weak and hurt. Even when her mother came to Paris and didn't even know her or wanted her to be her assistant and nothing more, Chloe transformed as a way to protect herself and show she wasnt weak. She acted out because she thought with her powers she was stronger and wanted to show her mother she wasn't going to be pushed around. I understand how Chloe feels. it doesn't excuse her actions but it gives a reason. THAT is why i love Chloe and why i think she didn't deserve to be treated like a set piece. Unlike lila who, mind you, got Marinette expelled and then lied to her mother about the school being closed so she doesn't have to go. Yet Thomas praises her. There is no excuse on why lila does that, i doubt there will be. In the end Chloe was the most thought out character but left her back to square one erasing everything she had grown to be. You literally saw her walls go down to ladybug and then oh woops! Back at square one!! she's evil and badguy we're replacing her with a new hero!!! honestly disgusting.
YES! It's honestly disgusting that Thomas frames an abuse victim as an irredeemable villain. And to make it worse, Chloe isn't even a real threat! Why make her a villain, if she's not as powerful or manipulative as Hawk Moth or Lila, you're just resorting her to a plain bully, which of course, IS BAD WRITING.
Thomas is a petty manchild. He wrote Chloe based of his child bully and isn't mature enough to move on and portray her as a person with feelings and emotions instead she use him as a sort of "revenge"
What's worse was that as of Season 5, she's being sent to live with her abusive mother to be eternally tormented, and people are supposed to celebrate that. It's kinda sick, actually.
And another thing! The creators need to stop marinette’s obsessiveness, it’s getting creepy, heck it’s gotten creepy! She puts too much energy into what Adrien does and which girl he spends time with, majority of her personality is “I’m in love with adrien”. It’s cringy and terrible!
Plus she's a boring character, I mean Adrien should share her spotlight since he needs to learn about boundaries and show Paris that he's capable like Ladybug, plus GABRIEL IS FORKING HAWK MOTH! The reveal won't have any emotional impact if we don't see Adrien's POV. Marinette starts to annoy me with her "love story" to be honest.
@@aria-fantrexian5574 ikr and her reason for loving Adrien is dumb. “Girl mistakes boy for putting gum on her seat. And when she realizes he was tryna help she falls in love with him”. Like wtf am I watching?? Is this real??
Mari's very gross/creepy when it comes to her crush on Adrien! She BROKE in his house, sabotaged Kagami 3 times, smelled his bed, stole his phone, has a shrine dedicated to him, knows his schedule, made presents for his next 35 (more or less) birthdays, etc. No one does this!! It's gross how obsessive and possessive she is over a guy she barely knows. The writers are terrible for how they made Mari's crush
@@yescaluvy1612 I feel like the writers may think this is how teenage girls act when they really don’t. You can have a crush on someone without being a creepy obsessed stalker.
They might be playing it up for the joke, but don't they realize that you know...THE MAIN CHARACTER having obsessive tendencies like this makes the audience not like her more? Which is kind of important considering she's the person we're going to be following the most?
Literally the only thing I like about this show now is the concept. The story, the pacing, the timing, the characters, the designs, and the animation all range from okay to terrible.
THAT EXACTLY WHAT I SAY!! The main idea of the show and characters are just 😘👌 However the way everything is developed and the pacing of the show is just crap
Ok... 1. Thomas really forgot people aren't born bad, they become bad. Chloe had one of the worst family lives ever, but she isn't evil, unlike Lila and Hawkmoth. She needs to realize being miracle queen was a mistake and a better arc. (changed my mind about Lila and hawkmoth being irredeemable, so I changed it to evil) 2. I'm going to need Marinette being akumatized due to Lila's lies, with Alya silent for a moment, shaking from fear and guilt for believing Lila over Marinette as she sheds a tear. 3. Make Luka and Marinette have PERSONALITY. You did it with Chloe, so you can do it with them. >:( 4. How does no one see Marinette is Ladybug? it takes only 1 look to realize it's her, and I'm not buying that they're all that stupid because they can tell when Chloe is trying to act like Ladybug, wig and all (-_-) 5. Since Marinette is such a creep, can't she tell Adrian doesn't have a good father? 6. costumes are horrible (Like why doesn't Ladybug have wings when Cat Noir has cat ears and a tail?) 7. Master Fu has some major favoritism that needs to be cancelled. I thought Cat Noir was a partner, not a sidekick that gets left behind... 8. Hawkmoth's exposition in season 2 does not make me empathize with him, it makes him sound worse since he put his son's life in danger to revive his wife. 9. They need to show the other heroes showing emotions or I'm fighting someone. D:< 10. For crying out loud since they made it clear there are many other powers, SHOW THEM TO US ALREADY!
Can they please fix Marrinette? She's become a super salty person and leads a horrible example to the children viewing Miraculous too. And can Chat Noir be more than a side note pls. He is literally half of the story.
"Kids don't understand plot and relationships!" Ah yes, my six year old sister can't watch the entirety of Star Wars the Clone Wars, recognize most every clone, know how the characters are connected, know all the slang and jargon, and understand the importance of arcs such as Mortis (season three), Order 66 (season six), and Siege of Mandalore (season seven), because she's six.
@@TheLegendaryColorFixer_REDMIST Really? That's kinda sad. My dad loves Star Wars, and introduced it to me about the minute I was born, and now I've dumped it on my little sister. We watched it together, and she watches it by herself a lot. I have most definitely run into the room to watch it with her when I heard the intro a few times.
the fanfiction is this fandom is so much better than the actual content. I just find it really really sad a single 16 year-old on ao3 can have better thought-out plots and better pacing and character developments that actually make sense for the character than a team of rational adults who put their products on national television.
Selim Sultan Akbar Can I just safely say that Miraculous Ladybug is fanfiction fodder at this point? The writing for this show is so inconsistent, it makes shit like Kingdom Hearts and the Fate series (both as a whole) look cohesively written in comparison. I'm pretty sure that anyone can tell that something is horribly wrong with a TV show (animated or live-action) if the fan material for it is better than the canon/actual material.
have you ever thought that writers of the show just wanted to make more seasons because of the amount of fanfictions there is right now. I guess they scared to animate it like they should bcous.Imagine being the studio animating it and some guy is spamming DUDE it happened exactly like i wrote it in my fic:O so basically they copied someone else work or whet:DD so nOW enjoy shitty ML.And EVERYONE IS SCREAMING that they copied off of a fanfic :O :DF that would be oH my God dude.AHAHAHAH
Lili What’s funny is that it’s just one person coming up with different theories and ideas, they have time to go through and process the characters better then the writers could ever accomplish.
my guess would be that the team of adults simply forgot what it was like to be a teen so they can't write neither teen drama or characters to save their lives. A less incendiary guess would be something i saw on youtube once about why teen tv sucks now, it's because the writters try to mimic the dynamic that happened and was popular when they were teens, but since they are completely blind to how it has changed they just add smartphones and social media to it, it's really no wonder that's basically Alya's character as a whole.
@@juwanbantug5465 Often wildly different too. But yeah on average the Fan fiction is good and sometimes it's pretty darn great. I'm really enjoying a series about Nino at the moment & his budding romance with Kagami (It's so adorable)
Personally, I love Luka as a character. But that's the thing, he doesn't HAVE a character. His entire existence was a plot device for a one-sided love story. Luka had opportunity, but it was thrown away, so his personality turned into liking Marinette. I wish he had at least a little development, maybe then he would be more likeable.
Same with Kagami. I love her character: we stan a queen who can fight with a sword in this household. BUT. I don’t like the way she’s treated/viewed in canon. There is SO MUCH you can do with a Japanese character from a renowned and strict household. You can tie her reluctancy to disobey her mother to the Japanese belief that disobeying your elders casts dishonour over the family name. Don’t have her be rivals with Marinette, but rather friends after meeting the first time. Just ANYTHING instead of making her an Anti-Sue and a romantic rival. Toxic feminism is NOT something we should teach kids.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I love Kagami too, and she has such good set-up for the story, but it was destroyed to serve as a second love interest. The problem with the show that its episodes are repetitive that it lacks the chance to develop other characters, and usually just caters Marinette in an unfortunate route.
Kagami is a crazy friend to adrien like marinette. When marinette is jealous she doesn't fling her phone take out a sword get akumatized and hunt down lila
Honestly at this point I'm just reading fanfics of the show, coz they have more creativity and well thought out plot then this whole mess. The Fandom handled it better. And if anyone out there wants to see good Cloe redemption arc, go read Miraculous Hive on ao3
To be fair... I didn't like Harry Potter but some of the fanfictions are actually pretty interesting and good. I did like Miraculous, but it's getting to the point where, if I want anything to change and develop, it's becoming painfully obvious that fanfiction is where that'll happen. Not the canon world.
Fun fact: Chole had a redemption arc because Thomas was away and the other writers decided to give chole a character development but once Thomas returned he got mad about it and that’s when thing for chole went downhill
I don't think it's true, he was there in the credits of the show, BUT there were two directors and I think the other one wanted Chloe to have a redemption arc
@@ozvuchkibilla Being in the credits of an episode of the show you created doesn't mean you were in control of it. That's not how industry works... Look at Matt Groening, still in Simpson's credits and not working on the show for years
The thing that kinda weirds me out is the relationship between Adrien and Marrinette. I have a feeling they’ll be canon in the end but I don’t know how it’s suppose to happen. Ladybug likes Adrien for his fake persona, well at least the person he doesn’t wanna be. Cat noir is Adriens true personality, isn’t it a little toxic? This goes for Adrien as well, he likes Marrinette when she is ladybug. Ladybug is the ideal superhero that Marrinette wants to be, but can’t. They are both in love with the ideal version of eachother, the versions that go against their real personalities. NOW IF I DONT SMELL TOXICITY?? I really wanna know how they’re suppose to work that out tbh.
I think this is why MariChat, the least canon among the love square pairings, is as popular as it is. Because that’s their most genuine selves. I can’t stand Ladrien, honestly. It’s just so idealized and uGH. It’s supposed to be the pairing that works the most, but I just have never been able to like it.
That was my take on Adrien as well. I always kind of saw Chat Noir as being his true self, or at least, what Adrien would be like if he was completely free. I like Chat Noir’s personality more than Adrien’s because of that. Maybe to make it work, they could have both personalities soften over time. Like Chat Noir could show some moments where he reverts back a bit into a more reserved nature and then for Adrien, to show moments where he speaks out and is like Chat Noir. And where this happens in front of Marinette/Ladybug. That way she’d start to change her feelings from a crush on a Prince Charming to more a real love on a person who has flaws. And she’d also be conflicted about maybe getting feelings for Chat Noir. Same thing done to Marinette/Ladybug. I feel like they have done this a little with Marinette/Ladybug, but they never let Adrien/Chat Noir notice it. I think it’s an issue of forcing a later reveal-by not allowing their characters notice these things and grow in feelings and eventually figure out the other’s identity possibly.
the biggest problem is that the fans see the many flaws of the show. and yet thomas astruc does nothing. the best part of the show atm is fan content. that's really sad
The worst thing is that he actively defends those flaws when people point them out. He acts like the fans are "fansplaining" things to him (and I shit you not that's a word he actually used), and he's the writer so that MUST mean that anything he says is the objective truth and whatever viewers have a problem with is just a "ahah you really think you know more than me" moment, right? 💀
@@franm938 Ah Mr. Astruc, have you stopped to consider that maybe some of your fans are also writers? Seriously, does he think he's the only person who can be a writer or something?
@@the_unholynjh3513 not only that, but when you make a show and the people who are consuming the finished product have some complaints about it... maybe listen to them? the viewers are the people the show is made for, after all. If you don't even listen to your audience when they point out flaws because they genuinely want the show to live up to its full potential, don't expect them to stick around for very long.
ok and also THE WASTED POTENTIAL!!! the characters could be interesting and growing, and hey, the plot could get so interesting, with the Agreste family and stuff
Here's something Austruc said on Twitter "Adrien is perfect. But his flaw comes from the fact he's not accustomed to the ''outside'' world. His innocence makes him vulnerable. To sum it up: he' s not flawed. The world is." I think that's kind of a load of bull. Adrien is clearly emotionally and socially stunted, seems to be too eager to please to the point he thought calling out Lila would be wrong because he wants to avoid conflict and thought she wasn't doing any harm, and his attitude with Ladybug in some episodes can be pretty pushy and entitled too. Also, when Adrien's bad actions were pointed out his response was that it was Cat Noir who did that. "My answer was referring to Adrien. Not Cat Noir." "Each person has different sides. CN is a new, different side of Adrien, that the latter learn to live with. It doesn't mean Adrien and CN are different entities, or that they're complete opposite. Not everything is binary in life : black or white, good or evil, same or opposite." I think that the way some people exaggerate him to a victim blaming stalker with no regard for Ladybug's feelings is also a load of bull, but Adrien also has some clearly unhealthy behaviors and flaws that the show refuses to address and Astruc seems to almost talk about Cat Noir and Adrien as two different people since apparently Cat Noir messes up and is the stuff Adrien needs to live with about himself and yet Adrien is still literally perfect. Does anyone else see the problem with this?
He also says LB is perfect and CN has trouble controlling his emotions, so it could be possible he is either messing with people or talking about the perspectives of Marinette and Adrien and this weird idea of symmetry between them. If that is the case then he really needs to word his messages better if he wants to engage with fans and critics on social media. That still doesn't change how Adrien as Cat Noir can sometimes act pushy and entitled with Ladybug, such as getting moody and angry at her because she had plans to spend her day somewhere other than with him in Glaciator and the whole Copycat incident. I don't hate Adrien, but I want to see his flaws and poor grasp of boundaries being addressed in the show and overcome by him. I can understand why he would be that way given his upbringing, but that doesn't mean it should be given a free pass or that he doesn't have things he needs to fix about himself. The show's refusal to allow progress in their whole two person triangle pair for so long really hurt their characterization and didn't let them grow out of those problems.
"Adrien is perfect. But his flaw comes from the fact he's not accustomed to the ''outside'' world. His innocence makes him vulnerable. To sum it up: he' s not flawed. The world is." ngl this line feels Very Infantilizing and it makes me uncomfortable how he views sheltered kids like adrien as "innocent and vulnerable"
I also Hope in the the next season they explain more of hawk moth's past, like, his mentallity, his obsession with his wife, Cuz with his context literally any other father or mother could be hawk moth.
Yo William Harmon, I agreed honestly on your post about Adrien. Like I wish the show would actually let me see more sides to Adrien beyond he's a nice guy. His strict life with his father clearly causes some anger. (There's that Christmas episode where he's about to take his anger out on a Christmas tree but then he stops, but I like this moment because it shows Adrien struggles with anger, but he tries to hold it back. Or like maybe they could try to show a full episode that's just Adrien's home life (no Marinette, it's mainly an Adrien-centric episode and then they can go back to Marinette for other episodes.) I feel like then I can get more on Adrien that way such as his sadness and anger with his father and like let me see more of his social awkwardness with people (kind of like how I saw it in the Bubbler when Nino threw him a party.) I'm not really saying erase Adrien's kind nature. I still want that to be present, but well as I stated before, "I want to see more to him as well in his character."
Also like..we need Marinette and Adrien interaction. Not just for romantic development, but also because I feel like the two have a lot in common. Like they're both socially awkward. I see Adrien as being awkward in a way where he's very exciteable and eager to socialize but ends up not quite getting what people want at times while Marinette is awkward in a kinda quiet way where she searches for the words but she opens up to you. Anyway also, Marinette and Adrien should honestly learn what they're really like personality wise not just learn about each other when they're wearing masks as Ladybug and Chat Noir. For me, if this show is gonna push this whole "who are they beneath the masks," they might as well actually demonstrate this.
Thomas said on Twitter he didn't care about Marinette's age not working with her zodiac sign. They create so many plot holes and say it's no big deal like children eat all the shit they serve.
@@memesdear2323 according to her chinese zodiac sign she should be 18 or 19 now i don't remember. But basically according to the zodiac she gives she is older than she seems
@@memesdear2323 that's the greek/babylonian zodiac you are talking about. I admit I should've added the detail but the chinese zodiac works in a different way. It has to do with the year you are born aswell (I was born in 2004 and I am the monkey sign if I remember right)
The problem with luka is his relationship with Marinette. Hear me out. Imagine Luka as a character and not as a love interest. He has potential. Why? Because we see him be almost perfect, he is kind, smart heroic or whatever. It could have been an arc of why was someone like him not chosen for the miraculous. What is it that Marinette and Adrien have but luka lacks despite being such an ideal person. I dont know, I just thought that would be more interesting.
Hm. Good point. Same for Kagami. Take her out of her role as a forced love interest for Adrien, and we have the same setup. I love Kagami and Luka not for the shipping, but for their potential as their own characters. Away from the romantic drama.
@@sittingcrowd912 this is how you know this person has only watched season 1 in season 2-3 their relationship has progressed because she has shown morr of her to adrien
Alternatively, entirety of the show is Marinette's delusional fantasies. Season 3 is where she starts to realize this, hence that's why things get more dramatic and she starts to act more irrationally.
I started realizing how bad this show was when everything just keeps repeating and how Marinette got so frustrating and the treatment of Chat Noir got WORSE. At this point I wanna rewrite the whole series myself and create a fan comic of it all with all the criticism from the fan base in mind. Listen to your audience, and it's very telling how Thomas is bad at criticism, even if it's constructive. If you ask me, he's the biggest villain of the series lol
Oh if you want a fan comic of ML you should check out the scarlet lady AU on Zoe-oneesama's tumblr, it's REALLY good and i think it does justice to pretty much egery character (except chloe lol but shes halirious in it) and its just really cool so i highly recommend (also Zoe has tons if austruc salt so thats fun)
@Ruti4 Soloveichik OMG I love that comic! Who knew Chloe made such a hilarious Ladybug? And poor Tikki. You can see her will to live grow weaker with each issue XD
Jaz N' Roses Actually, it’s already a series. Just head on over to Tumblr and type in “zoe-oneesama” and her comic should pop up. Please do check it out, it’s so freaking hilarious.
I know I already commented, but I 100% agree that creators need to listen to the fans giving advice. Obviously ignore the toxics and crazies, and focus on the nice ones. Like, for instance, for the Miraculous Rewrite I’m doing over on AO3, one reader noted that there should be less focus on exposition and more on the characters. Did it wound my pride? Yes. Did I listen to them and implement their suggestion into the next part? Yes! Because what they said was CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. And sure enough, that same reader came back and loved the second part. No one likes taking a hit to the ego, but in the end constructive criticism exists to help build you up: not tear you down.
And Gale didn't even mention the fact that somehow, only one person in the entirety of Paris is angry at a time.
Fr like only one person gets angry a day?? I feel like a ep with more than one person being evil would really be good
@@cupidzn6351 Okay, I haven't watched MTOLACN yet but that idea sounds amazing and deserves to be in a magical girl anime
In particularly in Paris, it's the city of angry and grumpy people 😂
@@cupidzn6351 there is in the season 3 episode called Felix
@@theshubaduck9378 oh thank you ill go watch it😊
The writers ruined Luka. He has so much potential but he's only used as a second love interest, nothing else.
Kagami too smh
@@pixisticks At least she had some development, getting to be friends with Adrien and Marinette :/
@@lvely4126 Isnt Luka just there to complement Marinette?
(This is late) Also he just feels like just a pushover.
@Alicia Chiminje that's kinda messed up ngl
Marinette knows Adrien's entire schedule like the back of her hand but never notices he dissapears for hours right at random times? I know she's Ladybug, but she's so obsessed with Adrien, you think she would have realized
she literally sniffed his bed that one episode...
@Sad Cats Oh God please don’t remind me.
Nah she's not that smart.
She didnt even noticed the camembert, Lila did that in like 3 secs inside his room just sayin´.
@@orisims that's just *n o*
The other superheroes really are just like Pokémon.
Ladybug really is like: "Rena Rogue, I chose you!"
And Queen Bee’s that one Pokemon everyone always keeps in the Locker thing. Forever waiting to be chosen....
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Bad/True Ending: Queen Bee is taken away by Team Rocket (or just abandoned).
😭😭😭😭😭😭
@0-Stars -MikiTune- hawkmoth is kinda like team rocket in a way that their both evil, both are trying to steal something from the hero (i think team rocket does something like that im not really into pokemon) and they both fail alot
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Forever in PC.
I swear in season 5 it will be like "A villain has attack paris."
The whole class: "We need to go to the toilet."
Lmao xDD.
Mrs Bustier: Mr. Damocles, we need to talk about my class.
Damocles: What’s wrong with them?
Mrs. Bustier: I think they all have kidney infections.
Edit: Oh damn... thanks for 1k likes guys.
Alicia Chiminje Oof.
What amaze ime is how howkmoth got some increble informations from almost nothing but still doesn't cet it that most of thé miraculous owner(since we know their indenty since miroulous queen) are from the same classe and mostly two of tgem are always aways when there is an akuma attack in Paris
E x a c t l y
Akuma: * Tries to akumatize Marinette *
Marinette: Stop I don't wanna
Akuma: Understandable have a nice day
Chloe: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!
XD
@i luv u Poor Chloe. This show just refuses to let her be happy.
Well Maranette knows how to get rid of her negative emotions in time, that's all
PLOT ARMOUR.
I wish *I* had that...But NOoooo....
“You played yourself, Thomas. In your attempts to make an Azula, you made a Zuko.”
*THIS*
*This is the absolute greatest description of the Chloe character arc and development I have ever heard*
Ikr? I loved that line.
Agree~
I would say he was trying to make an Izao, not an Azula. He was trying to make Chloe completely irredeemable, and in turn made her sympathetic.
And even then he sucks at it! Cause he can't decide if he wants her to be redeemed or not!! She's constantly balancing between actually getting better and still being a piece of crap
@Eleanor Dawid Ah. Yeah, I meant Ozai. Sorry I’m not good with names lol.
Marinette:
- Shows interest in Adrien and does nothing about it
- Broke into Adrien’s house (Cat Blanc)
- Smells his bed (Cat Blanc)
- Goes through his stuff (Cat Blanc)
- Attempts to break into his house (Chameleon)
- Steals his phone (Copycat)
- Has a shrine/tons of pics of him on her wall
- Knows his full schedule when even Adrien’s BFF, Nino, doesn’t know it (Copycat)
- Sabotages Kagami three times (Animaestro, Ikari Gozen, Love Eater)
- Teams up with Chloe to sabotage (Animaestro)
- Talked bad about Kagami behind her back (Ikari Gozen)
- Looks through Kagami’s phone behind her back and without her permission (Ikari Gozen)
Kagami:
- Shows interest in Adrien and does something about it
- Waits for Adrien to accept her or finally reject her (Frozer)
- Gives Marinette advice (Frozer)
- Tries to befriend Marinette (Ikari Gozen)
- Complements Marinette (Love Eater)
Um...I don’t know if I really want Marinette to end up with Adrien 😬
Fr, I hate to be one of those people, but if the roles were reversed, and Adrien was doing that to marinette, everyone would lose their shit
Me too I just want Marinette to mature and end up with Luka she's chill with him like season 1 Marinette I miss season 1 Marinette the origen episode.
There was also that time she humiliated and yelled at Lila in front of Adrien just because she was flirting with him. Likeee yes, She’s a compulsive liar, but it’s not that big of a deal, she really could’ve handled the situation in different ways. (Volpina)
Same, like, Marinette is toxic af, she would be the toxic as fuck gf that doesn’t let you even look at other women. I really want Adrigami to be end game or hell even Lukadrien or fcking Adrinino would be better. But unfortunately that probably won’t be the case
@@cyclone-studio18 If she gets a development but if Jeremy did the show Marinette and Adrien would be fleshed out for the better
Also marinette tried to/ actually did break in adrien’s house as normal chick and spots-lady, also she stole his cellphone, has his entire schedule memorized, yes she’s totally not a criminal
My sib from another crib i salute you
She actually is a criminal. I did the math and her prison sentence is 186 years as a conservative estimate. Wonder how this is possible? 1) Repeated offense, 2) She commits a lot of crimes, 3) France doesn't fuck around with this kind of thing.
Nonexistent Username I think Pulverizel was being sarcastic when he/she said that Marinette wasn’t a criminal lmao
@@LM-ix7pk I know, but I did want to show off just how much of one she is
Nonexistent Username oh ok. I mean, she is so I don’t blame ya.
The worst part for me is Adrien's development. He's never really gotten his own big moment to save the day, because Marinette always has to do it. When Adrien is not a superhero, he never really has much time to accidentally let out his chat noir inside of him slip out, and because of that he never really has that much personality unless he's Chat Noir. His feelings don't show a lot either. The show would be much better if focused on Chat Noir a bit more, yes, Marinette is the protagonist, but so is he. Adrien deserves more screentime.
They screwed Chloe over as well. Why the HELL did they have her reveal her secret identity to the world?! I know Chloe’s arguably the dumbest character in the show, but even SHE would’ve known that was a beyond stupid thing to do!
I mean, I’m kinda happy it’s always up to Ladybug. Most Tv shows I watch is just boys being the superhero. It boring to watch just boys being the super hero, thinking that girls can never be the main superhero. So I respect that ✊🏼
@@user-zj1ty3ot3c Yes, sure, it might be a nice change of pace, but why do they then say that Chat Noir and Ladybug are equal? That they are ying and yang if the show will only focus on Ladybug and how great she is at doing her job? Not even that, but the most irritating thing about this show is that they have to DUMB down Chat Noir and ridicule him to make her shine. That's just disgusting. It makes me sick. Make him a side character then if Ladybug is supposed to be the only one that can save the day, but then they leave hints about how the teamwork is important only to abandon it right after? Why can't we have them cooperate normally? She's just a teen, she can't have that much responsibility on her shoulders without breaking down.
@@user-zj1ty3ot3c
I disagree with this, the cartoons where boys are superheros are cartoons directed to boys. The same goes with cartoons for girls. Example: Winx was directed to girls and nearly all important characters are female.
This is so theyr directed audience can relate.
This cartoon is directed to any gender but they still throw Cat Noir/Adrien into the dumpster eventhough he is way better character than Marinette. If the writers would treat Marinette/Ladybug like they treat Adrien/Cat Noir she would be a extremly bad character
@@fairy5484 I put Winx to my cousin- a girl whatch and then my other cousin- a boy, watched it
The biggest joke is how they want us to believe Gabriel is a fashion mogul but we never see anything from him, and all of his “designs” that Adrien wears are so basic.
Exactly. He’s Hawkmoth and can give them any outfit and they are the most Atrocious things. I get if he’s trying to lead them away from finding him out... but a 5 year old would have better fashion taste.
I hope they do something different about it. If he does designs, where are they? A visualy apealing show is a big reason to a show's success, and I think they can reep that from the current characters.
@@hannahettinger9088 He really does dress up like a Candy Cane 😂
Actually there’s an episode where we see his tablet as he scrolls through some designs he presumably came up with. The problem is that they’re as ridiculously over the top as the villain designs, and probably no one would be able to wear them comfortably
@@sophia-fuckthehandlesystem But Gabriel and Endeavor are night and day
Assuming Hawk Moth gets to design the villains costumes, wouldn't you think he would do better since he is literally a famous fashion designer?!?!?!?
Gotta make the kids laugh at them amirite
@@Phoenix_Blader_93 Hm. That would explain Queen Banana then.
tbh his fashion design isnt even THAT GOOD. i love Adrien don't get me wrong, but his clothes? like his suit is pretty good but his everyday outfit is so BASIC and SCREAMS 9 year old when hes atleast 15.
No i’m pretty sure the villains edit their costume like how users of miraculous can edit their suit
They all look like rejected Pokémon designs.
One thing that really bothered me about this show is that they sometimes make Cat Noir completely useless like he can’t do anything without Ladybug. They are both supposed to be equal but he’s always in the dark, belittled, and seen as stupid. I mean he didn’t even have as close as a relationship to Master Fu like Marinette had. He’s such an important character but is viewed more like a sidekick than an actual partner. His character is more complex especially with his home life and how he feels more free as Cat Noir but the writers don’t take advantage of that. Him and Marinette hold the same responsibilities but they never focus on how he as Cat Noir also struggles with his super hero life. Instead everything is about Marinette the girl with the perfect understanding family who has a crush and many different responsibilities that make her life hard to juggle. Adrien has all that too, even more in my opinion. I mean for god sake his dad is always on his ass, and his freedom is limited. I have so much evidence where they do this and it infuriates me. The only episode where they are even close to equal is in the one scene in the awful season 3 finale where he merges miraculous, because they finally work as a TEAM. His main use is basically to re-ensure Ladybug that she can do it and be there for her when she doubts herself.
I could go on forever with this but I’ll stop now
ALL OF THIS!!!
THATS WHAT I"VE THINKING SO MUCH ABOUT OMG< AND WHATS EVEN WORSE IS THAT ADRIEN LITERALLY DO SPORTS THAT MAKES HIM PHYSICALLY MORE CAPABLE AND SKILLED, LIKE HE HAS EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING WITH SOMETHING, THEY EVEN LET KAGAMI SHINE AND UTILIZE HER SKILLSETS WHEN SHE GOT HER MIRACULOUS. basically marinette is a morally corrupted mary sue that is desperately aiming to be presented as a morally just person
@ don't forget chat blanc
It is so stupid how the show tries to tell u that they are a team, yet shows a dozen episodes where ladybug defeats the villain on her own! Like wth
Honestly I was going to type the same idea, but you put it into the right words
Chloe is like the firstborn of a family while Marinette is the youngest. Chloe gets dumped on for her mistakes while Marinette is praised by the creators.
I actually made a list when first watching the show and Marinette is head-to-head with Chloe when it comes to causing people to turn into akumas
The ｃｒｅａｔｏｒｓ
@@spectre9340 Indeed, and Chloe actually slows dramatically in the number of people she gets Akumatised only really being excessively cruel to Auroea & that was likely a case of projection or her own flaws onto another similar looking Blonde. Oh and amusingly both Chloe and Marinette both got someone Akumatised that lead to a near extinction (or actual) extinction level event in Stormy Weather 2 and Cat Blanc respectively.
Say Hawkmoth - how about you leave the girl that can destroy planets alone next time you plonker. Send her a senti-monster that looks like a Teddy bear to cheer her up instead you creep, also Pay August's University Tuition since you have essentially already adopted him.
Chloe has been going through so much. So that's why she bullies. We don't know what Marinette has been going through though.
I literally relate to the softer side of chloe more than any of Marinette lol
I feel like they'll give Marinette's ENTIRE class a miraculous and I HATE just thinking about it. Do they not want the information about the kwamis and miraculouses to remain a well-kept secret?
I suspected this as soon as Alya was picked for Rena Rouge. It seemed inevitable when Nino became Carapace. I counted and there's enough kids in their class for the Chinese Zodiac miraculouses
@@spectre9340 Wait really?
She will probably give Gabriel one too and then he will be it for one day, and then will merge it with the butterfly, peacock, and whatever she gives him and it will be a huge mess.
There should have been 5 miraculous, including LB and CN, on the good side at most. Involve Alya, Nino and Chloe and no more otherwise it becomes way too messy imo
They’ll definitely do it, there are enough Miraculous for all class and even for Marc from Reverser
So, is no one talking about the fact that Chloe's ultimate fall is Marinette's fault?
Chloe not only is the only person to have actively fought off an Akuma, she is also one of only four people (other than Alya, Adrian and Sabrina) that wasn't akumized in "Ladybug", and not only that, but she is actively *shielding* Sabrina from the Akumas to avoid her to be akumized in such occasion.
In the season finale, she cries to Ladybug to bring her her Miraculous to help with her parents. When Ladybug arrives to Master Fu to pick up a Miraculous, she has two mental images: one of Chloe who desperately asks for her Miraculous, and one of Kagami and Adrian together, showing that she is (again, and the last time having been just a few episodes earlier) divided between doing the right thing and acting selfishly. When she picks up the Dragon Miraculous, Master Fu asks her if she is sure about her choice, which is a writing device that has been used multiple times throughout the show to convey that Marinette isn't acting the right way but is being led astray by her own private interests and/or emotions.
This led to Hawk Moth's plan of corrupting Chloe to succeed, of course; and *EVEN THEN*, Chloe didn't accept her Miraculous and alliance proposal from Hawk Moth until he accepted to deakumize her parents.
So please, can I be explained how the f*ck is Chloe unredeemable when the writing is **explicitly built around** her having slowly become a better person and her villainization being Marinette's fault?
she's also a hypocrite cause hawkmoth knows kagami's identity yet she doesn't tell her "iTs nOT saFe fOr U CaUse hAwkmoTH knOwS wHo yoU iS"
Just bc it's Chloe she don't give her a miraculous
@@bananaxoonana8131 The thing is that everyone in Paris knows who Queen Bee is and not just Hawk/Shadow Moth himself.
@@XIAO-j9o you have a point
@@XIAO-j9o still that doesn't change the fact that the both of them are in danger because hawkmoth knows both of their identities
@@XIAO-j9o I just realised something.
Characters in the show say that she can be QueenBee no more because of that exact reason, but the in KuroNeko Adrien can change HIS APPERANCE as a Chat Noir. Therefore their argument is bul**hit.
"Are they seriously that stupid?"
Yes. Yes. They can't recognize each other's voices or basic features in costume.
They believe Lila's a good person.
They don't follow the butterflies to see where they came from.
@Alicia Chiminje It's supposed to be extremely difficult to reject an akuma once it touches you, so I won't hold that against the show. But that _should_ have made it all the more significant that Chloe has been the ONLY character to do it so far.
But you know, irredeemable and stuff.
@Commenter839 Yeah. As much as I dislike Chloe, she was so self-centered and determined to do what _she_ wanted that she was able to resist something Marinette herself nearly couldn't! I would've loved to see some episodes where Chloe tries to prove herself to Ladybug and mentions that she was able to resist an akuma.
I could imagine Marinette getting akumatized and leaving her miraculous where someone could find it, leading to Chloe having to become Ladybug and save the day (akumatized Marinette would have the potential to be something dangerous) only to struggle with wanting the spotlight and wanting to do what's right which would result in Chloe putting the Ladybug miraculous where she found it for Marinette to find.
Or alternatively, Chloe discovers that Marinette is Ladybug but overcomes her dislike for her in order to further prove that she can be a good person.
I imagine something like this:
Chloe: Marinette Dupain-Cheng? You're Ladybug?
Marinette: Chloe! Uh, no! I'm not!
Chloe: Hmm, if you're Ladybug...that means I could just demand that you give me the Queen Bee miraculous.
Marinette: Chloe, I can't just give it to you.
Chloe: Yeah, I know. I did kind of tell everyone that I'm a superhero. I must be the worst miraculous holder.
Marinette: Chloe, you're not. You just...make not great decisions sometimes. No one's perfect.
Chloe: I do really want to be a better hero, Marinette.
(Marinette gets akumatized later because of Lila or smth and tells Chloe to use the Ladybug miraculous and later Chloe gives the miraculous back to Marinette no questions asked, confusing Marinette. Chloe reiterates that she wants to be a better person).
That's true, but they explain it why. I forgot what episode but they say that it is the magic of the miraculouses that causes people to not recognise them.
Except for the thing with Lila and the akumas. It really is frustrating to see that people fail to use their common sense only at certain points of the series. I get that the creators are aiming this show to kids, but you don't even have to be 10 years old to get frustrated at how stupid the characters are.
I actually believe that the Miraculous blurs your features or affects someone's memories in a way that they wouldn't immediately connect you to your identity and just have you register as a different person - magic's gotta have a failsafe, you know, and magical disguises is an absolutely fair one.
The Lila BS is no excuse. At least it's hard to keep track of a _normal_ butterfly - they're not that big, and you gotta jump around town across buildings and take your eyes off it as you do so - you're likely to lose the butterfly at some point.
Seriously! like just follow ONE dang butterfly 🦋 JUST TRY ONCE PLEASE !!
I think Marinette's lack of emotional moments is partly due to Astruc trying to pull off a "strong female character". And for some reason, everyone in charge of entertainment these days think that turning women into these emotionless steely-eyed (masculine) bosses equals a strong female.
I’m writing a Miraculous reboot/spin-off, and one of my main characters is female. But she still shows emotion. She gets frustrated when she feels that Ladybug is hiding secrets from her because she “isn’t ready” to be a hero. She becomes distraught when one of her teammates is brutally killed by an akuma. She’s quick to lose her temper, sick of being treated like she’s naive.
But you know something? I give her space to express her feelings. I give all of the main characters time to process their emotions, and actually to THINK and FEEL things. And the character matures throughout the series. She learns what’s really expected of a hero, and that it isn’t all glitz and glamour like she initially thought.
Why did explain TLoK but in a different way?
I agree with this. Don't hate me for this, this is just my opinon, but I don't really like Marinette. I think one of the reasons why I feel thsi way is because of the way she is written without many vulnerable moments. Her character either goes from clumsy and awkward girl who is bullied by Chloe and has a massive crush on Adrien, to being a confident, powerful, but well-restraindd Ladybug hero who always saves the day. Other than moments where she is being possessive and stalkerish over Adrien, we don't see much flaws or imperfect facets of her character
@@iamautism420 korra goes through emotional things alot like she breaks down crying multiple times. I dont think she is a strecht of the "strang female character" thing.
Absolutely. They wanted to make a show about girl power and strong women don’t really understand what empowers women. They constantly put down other characters in order to show that Ladybug is strong, including the other girls on the show, and have the girls constantly fight over men.
Its kind of insulting how they preach these messages and don’t deliver, and in many instances, contribute harmfully.
The problem is every episode is the same
1-marinette goes to school
2-obsesses over adrien
3-someone gets pissed
4-they get HAKUMITIZEDDD
5-cat noir and lady bug save the day
6-life lesson
7-more obsession over adrien
8-ending credits
True 😑
L. C. M. Heh yh basic shit all the time
I sing the ending credits.
Dododiodidodidod dodod dodod dododod dodododoodod dododod dididid ododoododdo dodoododifof ofofofo
Honestly😹👄
Astruc in 2015: Give us time, we're gonna change it.
Astruc now: Fuck you we are not changing shit I hate Chloe she is si annoying I wonder who wrote such bad character.
meanwhile chloe having more character development than our main characters
Exactly!!! Thank you so much! She was the best Queen Bee
Its sadly chucked under the window then chloe got thrown under the bus for nor legitimate reason. She then got replaced by Zoe who i guess is good but she is probably just another generic nice girl. Chloe had depth but nope she is not marrinete so she shal perish. What? Kagami likes adrien Well she shall perish too.
@@3rebella If the trailers for Sole Crusher are anything to go by, I think Zoe might be joining her sister under that bus lmao
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Yay. more character asasination we must be in for a TREAT
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios The writers are trying wayy too hard to make chloe unlikable.
They always show WHY is the superheroes but never HOW is the superheroes
Lol!
Lmaoo
Should've been WHO instead of WHY
No one’s allowed to like this comment anymore.
TwoLibraryKids *:(*
"In the day time, I'm Marinette, just a normal girl with a normal life..."
Except you are not normal.
You projected posters for a star, projected a hat for the most known designer, your parents have the most popular bakery, your parents love you, you are the most popular and friendliest girl at school, you have good grades.
And on top of that at night you save Paris. Sometimes ecen at the day time. Like what?
I just want to see her suffer from burn out. It would humanize her a bit more.
"your parents love you" isnt normal to you?
I agree with everything except the part with her parents. I like how they’re always there for her, but at some point I would probably have them suspect Mari’s hiding something.
I wouldn't say the most popular. She is well liked.
ok yall need to chill out
I really do hate when show creators hate characters who aren’t bad characters. YOU made the show. YOU can change any character at Will SO CHANGE THEM URGH.
FACTS
YES EXACTLY
I don't and can't understand why Thomas hates a characther that he created. As a writter, you gotta like every characther you write, even a bit, being good or not. If you don't enjoy write something either your audience will.
@Ivanna Claudette IKR? I love all my characters like they’re my children: even the evil ones. Plus, in Chloe’s defence, she isn’t even that bad. I don’t know why Thomas thinks she’s evil incarnate when we have someone like Lila on the show.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios SAME. My characters are like my little kids. No matter what.
If Marinette, according to Tikki, is the "best holder she's ever had", what the hell were the other Ladybugs like? Because they must have been absolutely garbage for Tikki to prefer a stalkerishly obsessive 14 year old over them.
The Mary Sue power is stronger than the kwami of creation
But fr
@@nicolas._.2294Lmao 😂
I think tikki was referring to ladybug as the best not marinette..
Ig they were all just creating bombs and fire to destroy earth
6:02 I call Bs
What offended me the most is that Chloé's parents are clearly abusive , at least her mother and it is treated as a joke/something to laugh at.
Wait. That was supposed to be a joke? I didn’t laugh. I was just appalled by how terribly Audrey treated Chloe.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I felt like it was treated as a joke/to show that even the 'bitchy' Chloe had someone who was worse
To me, it was a scene that existed only to roast Chloe and Audrey at the same time while making Marinette seem like a savage. LIKE, CAN YOU BE QUIET FOR ONE MOMENT!?
@@redballoon9007 I felt like yelling: *MARINETTE BE QUIET CHLOE'S TRYING TO GET CLOSURE FOR THE YEARS OF EMOTIONAL ABUSE THAT SHE WENT THROUGH.*
@@redballoon9007 Fr
I hate how almost everyone gets a miraculous it kinda just ruins the whole "keeping it a secret"
It was fine when it was just Alya, Nino and Chloe. Because they at least made sense, as Gale pointed out. But now it feels like whether they need to they just randomly select one of Marinette’s classmates and frisbee a Miraculous at them.
I’ve said this before in her Rewriting Miraculous vid, but I feel like a better option would’ve been to keep the S2 Heroes on permanently and reserve the remaining 12 Miraculous for fusions. That way, we still have the MiracuSquad (yes that is what I call them), and we still get to see the other powers whilst maintaining a small enough cast.
Just saying.
It's like they want to do a legacy spinoff show, but instead of naturally doing it they just chuck -projectile footballs- Miraculous at Random Character and hope it sticks.
I honestly really like the designs for the newer heroes since they seemed o get less and less lazy with the costume design for the heroes as time went on, but that doesn't excuse the fact that one off heroes are freaking boring. If a character only shows up for 1 episode, then what's the point? All the one off heroes could be easily written out (for example, giving the miraculous to Alya, Nino, or Chloe so they wouldn't have set miraculous. It could make things a lot more interesting). Or they could just not have such a huge amount of miraculous. I like the idea of the main seven, but with the box expanding like that I just think it's too much
@@the_unholynjh3513 I agree. I would definitely keep the S2 heroes, as they seem the most interesting AND they make sense in terms of character progression and plot. I would probably give each of the five heroes a specific buff or area of expertise so that the team dynamic is balanced and none of them feel useless or unnecessary.
For Queen Bee I would go agility/speed: out of all the MiracuSquad she's the fastest. Quick reflexes to go with a quick wit, y'know? ;) As far as personality goes, I would definitely keep Chloe's cynical wit and sharp tongue. I would also have her be fiercely loyal and integral: even though when it comes to working with others she can be a bit uncooperative sometimes. As she develops, Bee becomes more friendly and outgoing, exposing more of her good side. I would also change her Miraculous: I feel like Loyalty would be a fitting one for a bee hero, as bees are well known for their dedication to their colony.
Rena Rouge would be Deception, and her Perk would be stealth. In terms of personality, she's dedicated to her job and playful. Since Deception and Loyalty are polar opposites, she sometimes likes to poke fun at Queen Bee (it's later explained that this habit of hers is directly influenced by Trixx: a revelation she isn't very pleased with). Much like her civilian form, Rena can have a bit of a short temper. Despite her Miraculous' influences, she refuses to use her powers on her teammates, rather preferring to use her illusion powers to mess with her enemies as a way of weakening them.
Carapace has boosted endurance: he can take a lot more damage than his friends. For the most part he's good at keeping a level head in high stress situations, but can act a bit aloof sometimes. But overall he does care a lot for his friends, and will do whatever it takes to protect them. It's not uncommon for him to throw himself into direct danger to protect them, making use of his Perk to make sure they're safe. And this has landed him in multiple lectures from LB about how even though it's harder for him to get hurt, that doesn't mean he's invincible. He brushes each one off with a smile and a "Well, what's the point in being the Turtle Hero if I can't protect my friends?"
Cat Noir benefits from strength: out of all the heroes he can deal the most damage. Him and Bee form an unlikely friendship, almost as if they knew each other beyond the masks. Just like in canon, CN is flirtatious and charming, always ready with a wisecrack and a cheeky grin. His romance with LB isn't Instalove- more rather he falls for the painfully shy but brave girl she really is. He tries to limit the use of his Cataclysm down to when it's absolutely necessary: during his training with Plagg the creature explains just how dangerous it is when used on living things. He refuses to use it on people, whether they're akumatised or not. That isn't to say he keeps that mindset forever though...
Ladybug's Miraculous boosts her intelligence: useful for the Creation Hero. To the people of Paris, she's fearless. Strong. Practically flawless. To her friends, she's a bumbling dork who can get flustered easily. But a lovable one nonetheless. Despite her paralysing fear of failure, LB fights tirelessly to protect her city and her team- despite Rena and Cat's insistence for her to take it easy on herself. Yes, believe it or not, she actually has FLAWS in this one. Ladybug has an unhealthy habit of overworking herself, often pushing her body beyond its limits from her relentless training and refusal to stand down. Thankfully, later on in the series, she does become less hard on herself, and listens to her friends' advice.
I might do the powers and personalities of the Akuma!Heroes as well, as I have a pretty good idea of what they would be like. Does this kind of help?
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Something else I'd love to see would be Alya knowing how to play the flute, because this would not only make sense in her and Mari becoming friends (them both having some knowledge of an instrument in common), but it would also make her Mirage sequence actually make sense because I ain't believing that a miraculous can give you mastery of an instrument
we gotta talk about the weird power dynamic between ladybug and cat noir. ladybug is way overpowered while cat noir looks absolutely useless in most fights, which makes me confused as to what’s the point of cat noir even being there if he’s just a bother to ladybug?
cat noir deserves way more screen time and character development bc keeping him just as “uuuh funny superhero flirts with ladybug hahaha funny” is just hurting his character.
Same with the S2 heroes. My girls Rena Rouge and Queen Bee and my boy Carapace got done so dirty. They deserved better than what happened to them.
*laughs in cat can destroy anything he touches including people, which is wayyyyyyy more interesting than the "lucky charm", and he has better character traits in general, and should therefore be the protagonist.
@@XxEmpty_EscapexX693 Rena Rouge: **can imitate anyone with her illusions and with some training could potentially bend the fabric of reality to her will**
Queen Bee" **can inject a neurotoxin into someone's body and basically kill them for a good while**
Carapace: **can create an indestructible barrier that renders him and anyone else within it practically invincible**
Ladybug: **generates random-ass objects with her yo-yo**
Thomas: *LaDYbUg iS tHe StrOngESt* :)
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios This is why I hate the ladybug miraculous..I mean heck! I would rather turn into a cat (Galra/ Ventrexian) or use plasma blasts to kill my emenies with no mercy. Who had thought that the random object power was a good idea to have as a Ladybug power? Also....how the fudge is a yo-yo useful as a weapon, It could work as a grabbing hook but not as a weapon...no just no....
Ariasnow16 Well, I mean, if they have LB her old power of being able to turn it into different weapons, then it’s useful. At least for QB she can turn her weapon into a stinger.
If the creator thinks that Chloe is irredemable then what does he think of Hawkmoth, you know, THE MAIN VILLAIN?
nice question!!! honestly if he gives Hawk Moth a redemption, i´m gonna be really pissed off
@@Uguiyomi same here, he's even worse than Chole and if he gets redeemed at the end and not Chole....😤
Azula from avatar had a good reason to be a villian, King Andrias from amphibia has a very broken friendship which turned him into a child murderer psycho, The 4 villians in avatar the legend of korra were amon who wanted equality unalaq who wanted the spirits back zaheer who wanted change and Kuvira who wanted to unite the earth kingdom and kind of became a female hitler
So, the emotionally abused 16 year old girl is “irredeemable” in Thomas’ eyes, and yet the literal terrorist and sociopathic liar get a pass?
Welp that’s it I’m done with this show goodbye- 🕳🚶♀️
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios 😂😂🤣🤣
This show is insulting to children. Dan povenmire even said that he wrote complicated jokes in phineas and ferb because “children are smarter than you think”
And you can see how insulting it is whenever Nino's little brother, Chris, makes an appearance. Marinette, Our Only Hope and the Epitome of Everything Good and Beautiful, refuses to let him play the games he wants to because they're "for grownups" and I guess being 15 means you're grownup enough to play video games??? Let the kid at least try, and if you're right and he * is * too young to enjoy it, at least he'll never bother you about it again.
Shows like Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb, and other similar shows were my life. Mostly because I was a stubborn child who refused to watch dumb-down shows, but I think those were so much better than, “Here’s a joke, but these 10 year olds can’t possibly know what it means! Let’s put in a stupid joke instead! What do you mean that joke’s not funny? It doesn’t matter! They’re 10!” shows.
miraculous ladybug makes an 8 year old look like a 3 year old, then a 15 year old at age 20 like weyubhwyftwhefygewbhhuwfjng3
@@lavenderturtle3759 You literally narrated me and my brother's life. XD
@@DigeeTheGenie I can hear this statement. XD *Dr. Doofenshmirtz is much more supreme that Hawkmoth. I BELIEVE IN DOOFENSHMIRTZ SUPREMACY!*
Something else I’ve noticed about Miraculous is that they never have any episodes where the characters act like normal teens and NOT have any akumatized villain crash the party. For example, in Avatar theres a whole episode where the villains spend a day at the beach and there’s absolutely no action going on with them. If this show wants to be both an action and sitcom (for lack of a better word) then why doesn’t it have a balance and let the characters have a break from the fast paced action for one episode. Otherwise it makes the show a bit formulaic and predictable
Thats because the formula of a miraculous episode, wastes half of the time on Adrinette or Marichat, or Ladychat romance and the other half is used for fighting the akumatized of the week.
What I want is some episodes exploring the relationships between the characters.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I agree, but we can't explore their relationships if the characters themselves are one-dimensional.
@@sara-vf5xz I mean, you’re not wrong
I would rather they didn’t because the reason they did that to Avatar is cause these kids, especially Zuko and Azula, (mainly Azula) have basically been bred by war and literally can’t function and don’t know what to do in a normal environment and we see just how bad their growing up was and how messed up they were. If it was miraculous it would just be marinette being a creepy stalker girl for adrien
I just realized why and from where this huge feeling of deja vu came from. Draco Malfoy. Chloe's a less fucked up, not abusive or physically abused Draco. JK Rowling really hated Malfoy and didn't want to give him a redemption arc, despite how beautiful the story would've been, Draco and Chloe are both way too young to be tied up in the shit they are, both are/were bullies that have shown empathy and a possibility of being redeemed-- but are just dragged deeper into a dark pit for shitty luck and end up being a "villain". Both have been in a toxic/abusive family, and taken out their anger on the main character/s
A similar thing that might happen is Luka. I’m getting mad Jacob vibes from him. And, well, anyone who’s either read the Twilight series or watched Dominic Noble’s review series on it (yours truly is in the latter) should know what became of Jacob. And should know why I’m starting to fear for him.
@Lovely_Theaceae I know he was stuck in that situation, but that probably means even more that he should've been able to get a redemption-- if he came clean once everything was over and realized his family was wrong or just gotten a lil bit of support from Harry and his friends or someone-- literally anyone with empathy he might listen-- he could've gotten out of his mental state and become a better person.
but JK was just pointlessly angry at him so no we just got sadness
It angers me because (in my opinion) Chloe is the most interesting character in the show and they could have done an excellent character arc for her. But no, they decided to go full “good guys are good guys and bad guys are bad guys”
yasss
And they’re both blonde too
I think what the creators of MLB need to realize is that their viewers GROW UP AND MATURE along with the show. Their viewers arent going to be kids forever. Just like other shows, they first start with a simple story setting. Which makes it easy for kids to understand. But as time passes by, the next seasons should already become more complex and serious.
@@unicornlover1237 About time...
Yeah! each season increases, sometimes the episodes become more mature. Did you notice?
In its begining Star wars the clone wars was a lazy show with some good episodes hidden in a sea of dumb episodes, but the show grow up and show us more mature plots with darker themes and better written characters, and even so much better animation and designs, i mean c'mon my second favorite star wars character ever is from this show.
On the other hand miraculous has the same boring repetitive plots, the characters involve instead of evolve and turn even more annoying, to the point that in the few episodes i've seen i wanted the villain to win just for the episode to end faster.
I dont even know how the show was so popular in first place, there's literally nothing new to offer in terms of the superhero (more like magical girl) genre.
I agree
I really like miraculous ladybug ever since I was 8 back when they used to have it on Nickelodeon but now I’m 14 and this is just…
Exactly! Like 1st grade math to AP math.
Astruc: Chloe is irredeemable
MLB fandom: No, your writing is.
@Alicia Chiminje MLB or ML is shorter and easier to type out. Plus on forum about Miraculous, nobody is going to think you're referring to baseball if you use the abbreviation.
Alicia Chiminje because MLB is the abbreviation? It’s faster and if you’re already talking about MLB you don’t need to repeat Miraculous over and over again. Why don’t you like it?
Shot fired
Astruc: I created this character.
Also Astruc: I hate her i'm gonna shame her because that's what creators do. Shame their characters.
Yes the mayor league basketball haves such a weird fandom
I really wish they would be just kept the seven miraculous. "Feast" provided a good reason for miraculous being super rare. When you have a hundred miraculous, it just doesn't matter anymore. "When everyone's super, no one is". They could've even had some fan service by marinette having Alya or Chloe's miraculous instead of a random one in "minimouse".
I thought you said Minimoose from Invader Zim and I got excited 😭
I mean, 100 is still a small number compared to the 2.1 million people in Paris. But yeah, for a show like this, fewer Miraculous is fine, maybe cap it at 20.
"When everyone's super, no one is." Kinda reminded me what Syndrome said in the Incredibles
@@moonkingkei5547 There is several boxes we know of in addition to the show's Chinese one (and some you actually see in feast) the ones I've heard of are The North American, Greek/European Mythological, & African ones, and there may be a South American one too. basically any civilization that is younger than 5,000 years old and has enough myth to base it on - could have one - so Egyptian is a possibility too. It seems the Ladybug and Cat Noir jewels move around and not all boxes stay together. as we know LB & CN analogues were active in many regions of the world, including some places that may not have their own distinct boxes like Vietnam. I can see there is a possible "Box of Monsters" to where the Kwami are all based on twisted concepts.
I do sometimes wonder if Kwami have the potential to become monsters too.
i agree, also the fact nobody else is allowed to keep their miraculous just feels stupid
If you were to tell this to my old me who was a Ladybug fan, I'd be insulting you right now, but you're right, this show is rubbish. The worst thing was that, despite being a cliche, it had potential; But hey, Thomas is only interested in easy money.
aren't Zag and Thomas new at this? This is their first production no?
@@insertcognomen I don't want this to sound condescending, but I think actual middle schoolers could write a more cohesive story then this stuff.
@@insertcognomen zag clearly isn't, despite the fact that this is thier first big cartoon that succed so much on international media not just thiers televisions (or only meant for little chlidren), earned a lot of money and have such fanbase that most of thier earlier cartoons and productions did not have- they did produce some of cartoons earlier.
Thomas on the other hand worked in the cartoon industry before too, maybe not as much as he do now but still- he had a chance to work for examle on Kod Lyoko and Witch so. He was a part of storyboard producers and he had a chance to be a part of scriptwriting so we can't say he was completly new to those world.
@@the_unholynjh3513 lol thats what happened on twitter and bc of that he called ppl toxic and blocked them
『 samantha』 I’m really sad about where the show is going. It’s kind of like the Pokémon franchise where no matter the premise is so good that the actual quality doesn’t matter so it’ll make a ton of money either way.
Cat Noir: **Solves World Hunger**
Master Fu: **Doesn't Even Talk**
LadyBug: **Uses Powers For Her Own Benefit, Mean To Her Partner, Stalker When She Is Not Ladybug**
Master Fu: YoU aRe ThE bEsT mIrAcUlOuS hOlDeR eVeR lAdYbUg!
More like the only one because we never saw other. MLB has the tendency to tell and not show .
It really be like that tho
😑no that is not true
@@lesercraft That is true actually.... marinette is toxic af..
Wait how did he save world hunger?
They made Marrinette so selfish and self centered. Did none of the writers realize her personality is worse than Chloe *and* Lila's? Chloe doesn't think what she does is good and Lila knows what she's doing is bad. However, even when Marintte acts selfishly and unfairly she believes her actions are justfied and faces NO consequences (???). They massacered my girl. 😔
Yeah! It makes no sense! Like, Chloe is perfectly aware that what she does isn’t good. But she feels like she can’t fully change the way she is, because the girl was LITERALLY MENTALLY ABUSED GROWING UP. Lila is perfectly aware that what she’s doing is bad, but legit doesn’t care because in her eyes she’s top dog. And Mari constantly makes selfish decisions, and yet has somehow convinced herself that IT’S PERFECTLY FINE TO ACT THIS WAY. Like, what?! Girl! No?! You’re supposed to be the hero of the story! Act like it!
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios yep...unfortunately
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios not to mention she STAKS ADRIEN. I've lost so much hope that at this point I'm willing to ship Adrigami cause it seems much healthier -_-
If u really think about it, Marrinette is a "Mary-Sue"
yeah I mean like who would you rather be friends with a repulsive liar or a creepy-ass stalker who caused the end of the world in a different dimension who doesn't know boundaries
The Chloe thing is the one that annoys me the most, she has soooooooooooooooooooooo much potential for a complex character. Why do i feel like Thomas made Chloe irredeemable on purpose because maybe it is based on a real life bully he experienced in school so he is still butthurt cuz he seems to be very passionate about Chloe hate.
Ikr, Chloe woulvde have such great character development
Yeah I hate how he treats Chloé. I know she's not the best person but she's trying. I wish he'd give her character a chance.
Ale Creates Honestly, chloe’s supposed redemption arc and her complex character would have been one of the show’s interesting highlights. Beyond the romance, a complex character who is a bully to the protagonist but is proven to be a worthy ally to her hero career with or without a miraculous and, change for the better chloe shows it. It could have been a lesson to children, you don’t need a special ability to be the best and to help ur idol. We have been given scenes where chloe has been a useful teammate to ladybug in both of her civilian and hero form in the 2nd season and it in a way carried to the third season.
Its such a shame that concept was thrown in the trash in the last 2 episodes because of his hatred to chloe.
Idk man, the things shes done could potentially ruin peoples lives, I honestly dont care one bit if we never see her again, she was hella annoying. Besides this is a kids show, I doubt anybody really likes her anyway
Well, it's not like it's too late. As far as I'm concerned, she is still slowly becoming a good person, and as we've seen, what happened in the last two episodes isn't her fault at all and she had every right to do what she did. I mean, no matter what this guy writes in his twitter the show does not go along with it. At least yet.
can we PLEASE talk about the way that nobody acknowledges the fact that their ENTIRE CLASS gets a miraculous??? like nobody??? really?? NOBODY finds it suspicious that paris has never even seen an adult superhero
I always say this. If they just kept Rena, Carapace and Bee as permanent heroes who got their powers from Fu, and Chloe used her brain and didn’t reveal her identity, then it would look nowhere NEAR as suspicious as it does in canon. Five teenage heroes who may or may not go to different schools to one another looks more inconspicuous than 15 heroes who are all coincidentally from the same class, in the same school. I’m just saying. If you wanna sell merch, just have the 5 Miracusquad heroes use the remaining 12 Miraculous for fusions. Not only does it keep a low body count and maintains the focus on the main five, BUT you get way more stuff out of it. We’re talking 80 potential combos here. Obviously they don’t have to use all of them, but it’s just something to consider.
Edit: Grammar mistake, and I used the calculator to figure out the actual total of possible fusions.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios One of my favourite fanfic lines was when one of the characters taunted an Akuma by asking him "I mean who designed your suit? A toddler?" And the Akuma INMEDIATELY turned onto them to attack. God.
Bunix?
@@virginiafernandez6846 hawk moth be like “ARGGHH! the INSOLENCE!! >:[ “
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Yeah.
It is so funny to me that Chloe is deemed "irredeemable" by the shows creators, and yet she is one of the very, *very* limited few to fight off Akumatization (a feat not even the shows main protagonists have done), showing that not only is she not evil, but morally stronger than the people you are supposed to be rooting for the most out of the entire cast
I wish she actually turned good, I just love her design, backstory and "character development" it feels like she is just fit for this role. but no, they decide to pick her somehow existing sister that has no true personality than just be nice. it's trying to make us hate a character for no reason. yes she bullies Marinette but at least make her character Arc feel like she's a better villain. after miraculous queen it's so stupid to make her the final villain.
Everyone is complaining about Marinette, but I honestly think Hawk Moth is the worst part of the show. He’s a very weak villain because he always uses the same evil plans and never learns or adapts from any of them. Plus, while his goal is sympathetic, he’s nothing but a psychopath who likes to hurt/manipulate his loved ones, especially in Cat Blanc. Even if he did succeed in that episode, what then? Marinette’s blood would have been on his hands and his son knew his identity, so what would he have done? Brush off her death and lock Adrien up forever? I mean, he’s pretty much already done that his whole life, but you know what I mean. Nevertheless, Hawk Moth is an awful villain and I hope the writers don’t give him the easy way out by sacrificing himself for some dumb reason. He’s already done too much bad and he needs to be punished when/if he gets defeated.
Teddy B. Exactly! Why would he go from caring about Adrien’s safety to assaulting and basically mind-raping him?
That would be ironic if they let Hawkmoth be redeemed but make Chloe into a villain. Just saying.
A Cooper I hope not.
They might go the she ra route of everyone but last minute villain gets redeemed or maybe they will go the Steven universe route of everyone will be redeemed
@@mattblaster2378 istg I went from this, to Voltron and I'm currently watching She-Ra. Either I have bad taste is shows or every "childrens show" now is bad quality. I mean who cares, "It'S jUSt a kIdS sHoW".
Marinette is a good person, socially and relationship wise, she's a good role model. But when it goes to romantic interest or rivals, she's the worst example to follow. In the first season, she was tolerable and seemed somewhat realistic but after that nope. She felt less genuine, less likable, especially when her crushing goes really out of the water to borderline yandere like.
I find it hilarious she hates Chloe because she likes Adrien, when the girl has legitimate reasons for why she does. She grew up with him, and knows him better than Marinette. And last time I checked, Chloe’s never broken into Adrien’s house on three separate occasions.
I mean she's not friends with chole.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios She hates Chloe for bullying her did you watch season 1??
Hey we can make a game called Miraculous Simulator. Mari is a yandere. Adrien is Senpai. Chole, Lila and other people who get close to Adrien are rivals. Idk that sounds like the show to me.
@ᔕᗯEET ᔕTᖇᗩᗯᗷEᖇᖇY I did. I just have a hard time rooting for Marinette and Adrien becoming a couple because Marinette barely knows him. She CLAIMS to, but really it’s just another celebrity crush. There’s nothing separating Marinette from all of Adrien’s other fangirls. At the very least I can understand where Chloe’s feelings are coming from.
i remember when they were redeeming chloe i was so happy that they were actually developing my girl but instead just drop it and it honestly breaks my heart that they’re sorta teaching kids that people can’t change
See, if they did that with the Diamonds in SU, and gave their redemption arc to Chloe, then we wouldn’t have a problem. I’m afraid this redemption arc problem doesn’t just exist in Miraculous Ladybug: I’ve seen multiple shows where the writers either A) don’t give a deserving character a chance at redemption or B) defy all logic and give redemption arcs to characters who are completely irredeemable.
I believe this is because they’re trying to create the new Zuko. However, in doing so, they develop tunnel vision. From watching Avatar myself from the perspective of a writer, I can see the schematics of his redemption and why it worked so well. What most writers tend to forget is that Zuko didn’t immediately go from bad to good. We were shown his reasons for his actions through Iroh’s explanation to the Fire Nation soldiers, and what everyone glosses over when trying to upstage Zuko is that redemption isn’t a straight road from A to B. Nor is it something you can dish out to whatever character you feel like because you’re trying to be “subversive” or some nonsense.
In my opinion, the best way to redeem a character is show that there is a potential for change in them. We saw that in Zuko. Then, once that seed is planted, build upon it and have the character work to earn their redemption. A second chance isn’t something that’s handed to you on a silver platter. It’s a virtue one must work for and truly earn. I feel like this could’ve worked so well with Chloe: draw parallels with her and her mother. Have her acknowledge her flaws, and that her behaviour isn’t acceptable. Have her EARN that redemption we want her to have.
i think why it feels so off for chloe to mot be redeemed is the fact that shes 15, shes been shown to be genuinely good, chloe actually wants to be a super hero and theres an episode where she uses all her willpower to not be akumatized. Ofc some ppl dont change but she was a bully/brat to begin with not an evil monster. She can always remain a bully but its so unlikely for her to be "evil"
@Alicia Chiminje what do you mean by people don't change?
@KEVIN AMAYA-CALDERON zhao never showed any signs of change
Chloe showed obvious signs of change but they through that away
@@cheesejam3773 just in general or irl
I KNOW ya’ll aren’t obsessing over Marinette and Adrien while ignoring the healthy and stable couple that is Ayla and Nino. Why aren’t we getting to spend more time with them? They at least give me less second-hand embarrassment than Marinette with her constant obsessing over Adrien.
Also, a few honourable mentions (including platonic relationships) because someone suggested this in the replies and damn these relationships need some development:
Ivan and Mylene.
Juleka and Rose.
Chloe and her parents.
Adrien and his dad.
Adrian and Natalie.
Chloe and Adrien.
Everyone and their kwamis.
Basically every relationship aside from Marinette and Adrien. The best part is that we don’t even spend much time with Marinette and Adrien anyway (aside from fan-service) because of the stupid, boring akuma attack that happens in the middle of every episode and makes me want to throw my phone out the window. Can Gabriel just give the audience some time to see the characters develop onscreen for once? It seems as though the daily akuma attacks are serving to make Marinette for example emotionally regress regarding her feelings for Adrien, since she seems to be getting more obsessed with him as time goes on.
THANK YOU!!!!! NINO X ALYA IS SUPERIOR AND IT SHOULD BE A BIGGER PART OF THE SHOW AND MORE FOCUSED UPON!!!!! LIKE HECK DJWIFI IS MY FAVOURITE SHIP IN THE WHOLE SHOW!! YOU ARE MY NEW FAVOURITE PERSON ❤️
True Alya and Nino's relationship is just healthy
Absolutely. I ADORE these two. We also need more of Ivan x Mylene. These two have a way healthier and cuter relationship than Marinette and Adrien. Both them and DJWiFi are couple goals and I’m here for it lol.
FR! Marinette be acting like a stalker! If she isn't one already
100% agree but I would also like to add Marc and Nathaniel to the “pls we need more of their relationship” list ^^
Imagine this: right after Marinette is free from getting akumatized, she just blankly stares at the camera for a few seconds. Tears go down her cheeks as no one behind her can see her silently crying. She's terrified of how close Hawkmoth got. But the scene is almost silent.
That would have HIT.
But nah. Gotta rush through that plot.
Its funny how most fanfics got that but the writers of the show didn't
It is a really good idea but if Marinette starts crying she would be akumatize because the akumas go to people that are emotional and she would be very emotional in that moment.
@@mirkala8696 i think a cry of relief could've been totally possible without akumatization! (but idk how they could make it clear that it was relief and not sadness)
@@katiacarlo6197 like a tiny smile or a sigh of relief
It also confused me how Marinette can know the identity of other heroes, but not the one she fights with side by side through most of the show. It would’ve made more sense to either have a kwami give them the rundown when a miraculous appears near them, or if the guardian (his name just isn’t coming to me right now) gave them the rundown instead of ladybug.
Yes. That's exactly how it should've been. Because why should she know everyone's identities? That's not fair. Either let your partner Chat Noir know about them too or have Master Fu/ a Kwami handle the other miraculous users on the team.
But of course, Master Fu has lost memories of the Miraculous so he probably isn't returning anytime soon.
Ugh MLB has potential but it can be so frustrating to watch especially when you can see some of its problems.
I keep feeling so bad for Chat Noir. He's constantly being left out of all these Miraculous-related things and aside from the time he was finally introduced to Master Fu, he's still being treated as a sidekick and not a partner.
He doesn't even know that Nino, his best friend, is Carapace.
Well, the thing is they aren't "permanent" miraculous holders like Marinette and Adrien, I have a feeling that they are holders of the miraculous for longer than the others will be as seen in Timetagger when they are adults they still hold the miraculous. Master Fu chose them, and Marinette choses the temporary ones. As we see from miss chloe, the more miraculous let out into the world, the more danger they represent to the world as a whole. When akumatized, Cat Noir becomes Cat Blanc and gains a more enhanced destructive superpower, the ladybug and cat miraculous are far more powerful and if in the wrongs hands could possibly destroy the world. Sometimes people go about things the wrong way but Marinette is only giving them these miraculous to help her, not be apart of her team for a long time, the less they know the better, so if their families or friends are threatened by hawkmoth and he knows their true identities, they won't be able to give anything away, that's probably why for a whole damn season ladybug and cat noir were the only miraculous holders, but as we see, Master Fu didn't just lose the butterfly miraculous, he lost the peacock as well, and this bring on a whole other villain. Remember, they are adults, smart ones as well, so if it takes more than just a couple of damn teenagers, you can't blame marinette for needing more help. They are just teenagers facing MAGICAL shit. Honestly, having a kwami explain it would probably put them in a weird situation, I don't know what you do but who opens a box on a sidewalk anyway, and the Kwami won't have time to explain the whole situation, they are temporary as I said before, they are only needed to get the job done, nothing more, nothing less. Ladybug can't possibly know in advance if she needs another Miraculous or not, which she only does need sometimes on screen. No matter what, they won't have enough time to be told all of this, Master Fu can't do it either. I personally think having a human explain it would be easier on the nerves than a kwami, but hey, this is a universe where they are already used to weird magical stuff happening. If anything happens to Cat Noir, like in Cat Blanc, Marinette needs to be able to stop it and if needed take his miraculous away, she can't let her feelings get in the way of her work, which is why she can't know who Cat Noir really is. This is just my take on it though.
It would’ve been better if Master Fu gave the other heroes their powers, not LB. It would’ve been a lot more interesting, and a lot less biased. Just think about it.
YESSS!! she always says her and cat noir can’t know each other’s identities or else hawk moth will use him as a way to get to her but she knows Rena rouge (Alya HER BEST FRIEND) queen bee (chloe her enemy but still) and carapace (her friend) and kagami’s (her friend) identities so hawk moth just won’t use them against her just cat noir??? Like that doesn’t make sense whatsoever but obviously they want the big reveal to be BIG and EXCITING...also they make Adrien dumb and blind to keep the show going if he knew her identity or vice versa the show would end hopefully it won’t though cause I want to see what happens after they know each others identities but yea sry for the rant
About the costume rant: Thomas says the characters choose their costume.
SO YOUR SAYING MARINETTE IS A DESIGNER BUT CHOOSES A BASIC ASS COSTUME
For God’s sake at least Alya and Chloe put a bit of effort into what their outfits look like!
I feel like marinette really wasn't thinking about a costume when she transformed (I mean to me I feel like out of all the miraculous holders in the show Marinette by far has the most realistic/best first reaction to seeing a kwami) But you do have a good point, since out of all the costumes ladybugs is the most basic and pretty boring overall (even though she is the main character of the show)
Ah so they do. Bruh couldnt she change the suit..? Or uh
fr even chloes is better
@gabe Tbh Bee has my fave Miraculous Hero design. Like, I just love her costume.
the thing about astruc calling chloe irredemable and the worst is the fact that pretty much confirms that gabriel is somehow better than chloe.
yes, the old man who, when he found out adrien is chat noir, SMILED and immediately jumped at the opportunity to use this new reveal to further his own agenda and was literally willing to sacrifice his own son's happiness in the process ALL BECAUSE he wanted his wife back (and yes, let's not forget the fact he doesn't show any regret or remorse upon realizing he was beating up his son and his gf for a year, at the very least), is SOMEHOW better than a 15 year old brat who suffers from being raised by shitty parents.
i'm still disappointed at season 3
Sure, the man who persuades innocent civilians and manifests their negative emotions to utilize them to attack KIDS, and also uses them to terrorize people and literally corrupts everyone into supervillains, is somehow more better than a common high school bully.
Why doesnt hawkmoth just use his powers to create a villain with healing abilities to help his wife from coma?
@@nra3zehuti781 .... i actually didnt think of that, holy shit
like if he can make chat blanc, and akuma that destroyed the world, and an akuma that he made specifically to buff himself up why doesnt he make a healing akuma lol
like there arent really any restrictions on his powers than "only one akumatised person at a time" so???
The worst thing in this is that in S1 in the episode with King Kong (Adrien's Bodyguard) Gabrielle is so scared that Adrien isn't chat noir and that he put his son in huge danger for nothing and they change this idk for me it was such a 180° for Gabriel Character
Technically Hawk Moth could have ended the series by using a akuma on himself to give himself the power to track miraculous or powers to literally gain all miraculous around the world (though there might be limitations, kwamibuster and feast episode prove otherwise)
"we thought she was redeemable. She wasn't."
Jesus Christ, he talks about Chloe like she's a serial killer.
Also, she's a character HE created, it's not like she's acting on her own and he's a disappointed father going: "Where did I go wrong with you?!"
One more thing: maybe I'm forgetting something, but in Chat Blanc Chat Noir reveals his secret identity to Marinette, but he never gives up his miraculous, right?
Lol if anything I have Marinette chalked up as a serial killer. At least Chloe has the integrity to not break into her crush’s house on three separate occasions.
Is it just me, or is Thomas Astruc setting up Chloe and Lila to be more evil than Hawkmoth?
@@williamfinch9858 me too
Honestly, Hawk Moth is one of my favourite TV show villain of all time.
1. So much Back story
2. His son is the hero and he doesn't even know it.
3. HE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS. Yes, what he is doing is wrong and he should just move on, but he thinks this is the only way. HE THINKS THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GET HIS FAMILY TOGETHER. He is BLINDED BY HIS LOVE.
4. I have a feeling he had something to do with his wife's death. Whether she had the peackock Miraculous and went into a coma for using it while it's broken. OR maybe she sacrificed her life for him SO HE FEELS AS THOUGH ITS HIS FAULT.
5. HE CARES ABOUT HIS SON. He just doesn't show it and is having a hard time moving on.
6. HE NEVER REALLY KILLED ANYONE. Maybe it's because despite the general audience being teenagers and up, ut was intended to be a "kida show" so they didnt kill off a character. But still.
7. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND ITS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE IT LESS CLICHÉ:
He *isn't hungry for power!* WE SEE IN THE EPSIODE "Feast" he was *WILLING TO GIVE HIS MIRACULOUS TO THE SENTIMONSTER AFTER COMPLETING HIS WISH!* Rather than be hungry for power just for the fun of it. I mean, I am so fed up with TV shows and series JUST BEING A FREAKING CLICHÉ "EVIL" VILLAIN THATS WANTS TO RULE THE WORD JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING POWER.
I think Thomas is capable of creating great characters like Hawk Moth if he really put his mind to the task and if he was *WILLING TO*
Maram Almadi have you seen Chat Blanc?
Another thing about Lila is that when she sprained her wrist she it was her left at first and then she says it’s her right later in the episode and nobody even questions it. I also agree with the Max thing. Like sir you wear glasses anyway
i repeatedly threw a paper towel at my eye because i wear glasses. even if it could cause harm, it was big enough that it could get past them. not to mention blinking. something that big and close to your eye would make you blink.
Right!! I'm sure they have cameras in the school and how she literally walked down the stairs and sat down about her ankle without being seen by anyone at all vexes me
Robert Sanders exactly like that’s a serious offense so why did no one look into it and just expell marinette
@@XiaoIsMyHusbandBTW
Idiot Plot, when the story only functions by virtue of the characters acting like complete morons and ignoring common sense.
Yeah, the paper towel was in line with Max's _chest,_ not even his head or neck, Akso, Lila, no you can't gouge out someone's eye with a paper towel. I don't know if you felt them before, but paper towels are flexible and (sometimes not always) soft.
Edit: spelling
Just a little story: in my old high school we basically had a Lila.
She was new, she was fun, she was extroverted, she was nice... and also had two thousand interesting stories that totally happened in her 14 years of life.
Difference? Absolutely no one believed her from day 1. She ended up pretty alone, was always trying to start drama, and the only people who could stand her had to severly look over how big of a liar she was.
Yeah, when Lila was introduced I was frustrated.
If she was fun and nice that had to have meant someone believed her.
@Alicia Chiminje in Lilas defense, when you put everything in context it doesn't sound too ridiculous that the class buys all of Lila's tales. the school she goes at has a lot of rich kids or are kids of famous parents, i mean ffs Chloe is the mayors daughter (also youd be surprised how easy it is to fool rich people in real life take a look at Anna Delvey who made New York socialites believe she is from prestigious rich family) and many kids in the class including marinette have met and know a celebrity or again have a celeb parent so when Lila lies about meeting Prince Ali obviously people wont be surprised about it since one of their classmate also has met him. also we are talking about the same class who would buy every bullshit lie Marinette and Adrien would throw at them so that they could exit the scene to transform so why wouldn't they believe in Lila's?
Gabbie Hanna*
BRUH I AM YOUR 1000 LIKE YOU'RE WELCOME
The way it pissed me off that everyone EVEN ALYA believes the bs laila says
When Adrien and Marinette find out hawkmoths identity it’s not going to be that emotional. We don’t spend enough time with Adrien getting to see his families good side for when the times comes to feel heartbroken. Also I kinda wish Adrien like saved the day once because in 3 seasons I don’t remember a time where chat noir saved the day and I hate it because he feels more like a sidekick rather than a partner to Ladybug.
My guess is that Ladybug or another character (like Lila or Félix) find out about it first, thus taking away a good chunk of impact about the reveal, like in that gacha miraculous season 2 vid, where they figure out his identity after he akumatizes his comatose wife.
@@sebas8225
Whats that video called? Sounds interesting.
In chat balnc, Hawk moth barely even takes in the chat noir is his SON
I vaguely recall someone asking Thomas about Chat getting a chance to shine but his response was just "Ladybug is the hero! She's the name of the show! She's the strong female character! We can't let a BOY take that away!" or something like that. Which...that's not great. Because you're right, instead of Chat being her partner, he is automatically relegated to always being second fiddle (or worse, the number of times he's been an outright antagonist turned AGAINST her) because how DARE we suggest depth to the story.
But chat noir is ladybugs sidekick, it's even said in the show
”Instead of wasting time on people who could eventually be nice, we’d better give more love to people who actually are nice” what kind of bs is that??? The reason people are mean to begin with is usually because they were treated poorly within childhood. For Chloe, her mom left her and her dad was probably always busy, as well as Adrien might have been busy with his obligated hobbies. Chloe didn’t have that many people around her growing up and was most likely spoiled to keep her entertained and distracted. And it is shown many times that if you just treat someone with a bit of kindness, they might change to become a better person, which we have seen in Chloe a couple of times now.
I remember being so disappointed seeing her development DROP in season 3 when she got akumatize AGAIN for the 3RD TIME. I’m not a fan of Chloe, but I really *REALLY* want to give her a chance on becoming a good character and a good representation, that someone can change for the better with a bit of patience and help
Elisa Castro Yes, there are people like that, I agree with ya, but in this case I’m focusing more on Chloe’s past. However, I can change the comment if you want?
Long post but, I'm not a fan of Chloe. BUT I do think she is wasted potential. First off, Adrien states Chloe and him used to be friends. So they might have bonded because they have the similarity of busy parents (Adrien with Gabriel, Chloe with her mom and her dad being mayor). Anyway, the show could of showed us Adrien and Chloe flashbacks. Why was Adrien friends with Chloe? What did they like about each other? What was Chloe like in the past? Was she different from how she is currently in the show? Second off, they could do this interesting dynamic with Chloe and Marinette which is rivals that turned into friends and this ends up developing both characters. Let's remember that Marinette did guide Chloe to her mother one episode so Chloe could discuss you know, her sadness over her mother not loving her.
This is the point where Chloe could of thought of Marinette differently because well she's helping her even though Chloe hasn't been the kindest to her. Also let me just reanalyze that scene. Marinette was acting mean about Chloe to see if her mom will defend her, assessing Chloe's relationship with her mom. We see Chloe's mom get (for some reason angry even though this woman was being dismissive of Chloe the whole episode. I really don't get that characterization but anyway, after Chloe's mom gets mad, Chloe has this whole talk about how she doesn't have friends and she bonds with her mother. Except this isn't really bonding. The whole scene seemed like Chloe only acts dismissive of others cause that's the behavior that her mother will approve, and this is also the behavior that gets her close to her mother. Her mother wasn't close with her till then.
This brings me to my whole deal where have Chloe realize that whole weird acting Marinette did, while she appreciates Marinette's kind intentions, that wasn't the way to go. Actually, have Chloe try to understand why Marinette isn't straightforward with her kind intentions? (Like why she won't tell Adrien the scarf she gave him isn't actually from his father. And have Chloe be like, "While it's nice of you to try to spare Adrien hurt, he's just going to be more hurt by knowing that gift was a lie." Marinette goes through development in learning honesty (all while having her moral grayness analyzed), Chloe goes through development because you learn about her becoming kind (because Marinette and Adrien tried to help her), and you get some Adrien development too because oh hey, we learn more about how he feels about his dad. Boom, 3 characters developing. Maybe a complicated love triangle or happy friend trio but point is they're all developing.
Agrrr... Chloe is one of the best characters of this show. She really had the potential, she was really changing somehow, she had a development finally. But what did Astruc say about this? Hahaha. That's one of the many reasons for disliking him. I just need to talk about this to someone. Because even my bf said that Chloe is awful :c
Yeah.. Honestly I don’t generally like his mindset. Already based of his tweet, ”instead of wasting time on people who could eventually be nice, we better give love to people who are nice” just shows how horrible his mindset is. Saying that there’s no bother in helping someone (who potentially can and is willing to change) change for the better is a complete waste of time. That’s not how you treat people.
Also, it’s funny how he says Chloe is so unredeemable because of how ”evil” she is for being a bully, yet we have a firebender prince who has destroyed plenty of homes, and has hurt a lot of people physically, yet he has an incredibly wonderful redemption arc and is a likeable character. So honestly his excuse of Chloe being unredeemable is a big bullcrap
@@pixelwashere9720 yeah, and now let's remember Marinette, how awful she acts, and how hardly Astruc protects her, that's horrible, double standards incharge
kids aren't dumb, having slightly more thought out stories and characters actually help with their development and thinking process. consuming media that makes kids think and reflect on characters and morals is good. so the argument that " it's just a kids show" really doesn't work.
@@unicornbunny5439 Well, the excuse that it's for kids only exits when bad writters want to defend thenselves. Little do they know that that excuse just makes them seems worse
@@unicornbunny5439 Not Teen Titans level teenagers.
Telling by how the writing is it has to be ment for kids under 10
We need to work to desimate that sentiment about cartoons and tv shows for young audiences.
It’s true. If you’re going’s to do something it well. To this very day people still talk about Avatar the Last Airbender and treat it like the masterpiece that it is.
I can't belive i just watched a 40 min rant about a french childrens TV show
quarantine the name
Me neither. And I didnt even properly watch the show. It really says a lot about how good this rant is to me.
Same here 🤯
I can considering how entertaining it was 🙂
What 40+ minutes. It felt like 12 or so.....
I should really go to sleep...
I can't anymore. I can't even watch the show anymore. The incessant, they discover each other, they forget, they discover each other, they forget, the new ships that feel so forced...I just can't.
Yeah... Sometimes you just want to punch the characters
Claudiaa Soriano Ruiz I want to punch myself that’s how frustrated I am with this show
GIRL SAME,i m getting tired and bored by this show. I feel like every new episode is pointless, like there is a new supervilain each time and a new plot to fight him but at the end nothing change.
This is how they keep us watching, we think there are something new in these episodes but it doesnt move the plot at all. The characters stay the same and i find it kinda sad bc i really love the concept ! It could have been really great..i feel like every cartoons i love is being ruined by his writer( first danny phantom, now miraculous..)
I dropped the show last febuary and started watching anime cause it has better stories, plots and character development.
Looking back at concept art and the pilot version, it feels like Miraculous could have been SO much better. The concept actually felt lively and heart wrenching. One example of this is; Jeremy Zag and others wanting to show Paris as a character rather than a postcard (I think that’s what they said), and the PV proves how that could have been done. The 3D version shows Paris as a sandbox, not to mention the fact everything is so small and empty and they show the Eiffel Tower like a million times as if there’s nothing else to the city.
Yes, thank you! Completely agree with this. The setting had so much potential in the development stages :(
I love the PV... All the times I see it I end up crying something like: "WHY WE DON'T HAVE THIS SHOW INSTEAAAD😭😭😭 WHYYYYY😭😭😭😭"
Also, i like Bridgette and Felix more than Adrien and Marinette... Bridgette just seems more cute and funny and Felix is a perfect tsundere, and I love tsundere characters 🤣
@@cervanera2228 Bridgette is not a thing though. The PV Marinette is still Marinette. They didn't replace her like Felix. The fans just came up with the name, started using it in fanworks leading many to believe that Bridgette was an official character. Also I think PV Marinette would be just as creepy it's just that the video is too short to show it properly.
Yeah, it's a city, not just a few locations. Wait, I have a fun game. Name more than 5 locations this show mentions by name that are real world places specifuc to Paris, I can think of 3 at best.
@@safilan8643 I know, but I call her Bridgette to separete her by Marinette. Also, yes, she had the potential to be a yandere, but al least she was cute and funny... And probably she was meant to have a proper character development, unlike Marinette😒
I’m surprised that Marinette’s parents haven’t thought of moving out of Paris because of how many times they’re constantly in danger
So fucking true
@@anonymus_xxxx639 Really how do the goverments of that world react to all the things happening in Paris?
@@alinastanescu4430 They probably will send the entire GIGN units to Paris
@@alinastanescu4430 In real life of course
Exactly noone ever addresses how dangerous it is or how it was scary to be akumatized (excluding a 30 second scene of alya and nino)
What I never got about Chloe is that she was ROUTINELY preyed upon by both villains and she rejected them despite them having exactly what she wanted. The fact she 180’d in the season finale made no sense since she was on the way to improving throughout the past two seasons.
you can blame Thomas for that
One thing I hate about the show is when every episode IS LITERALLY THE SAME. There’s nothing new other than like 1% story development. The fights are bland, always ending with SUPER OVERPOWERED lucky charm. Like I would love to see an episode where they win a fight without using Lucky charm, or maybe lose for once?
I would have stopped watching the show if not for that 1% development. I almost wish I could watch drama/tea channels for Miraculous to get the gist of whatever development there was in a new episode without having to sit through the entire thing
Well in most super hero movies they never lose because losing means game over, but they could temporarily lose or make a very very very close call. The moment Totally Spies is a better constructed show, you know you effed up.
@@pinkneko13 totally spies is actually great. they have intense fighting scenes and their characters actually grow from season 1 to the last one. it's a LOT better than miraculous ladybug 🤷🏽♀️
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anyway now that you're aware we're talking about something else,,
Coroika. Or Splatoon Manga. Similar situation for both, I wish they would lose more. (Both Blue Team, and Ladybug and Cat Noir) Like, they should understand they're not the best. Not at the top. There's other people, better *and* worse than their level. But there was a moment in Coroika where Blue Team lost. To Skull's team from the S4, they realized they're no longer at, I suppose, the top. They train, they learn how to figure out that they need to work to be up there. But, uhm, not in Miraculous. They... just win all the time... that's it.
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@@pinkneko13 it's sooo ironic that you mentioned Totally Spies since Thomas Astruc wrote for that show as well 😂
The fact that he hates chloe when his own female protagonist just pertaining her unhealthy behaviors to adrien are she kept his schedule. which I dont know how she got which if it's from following Adrien around even more so then stealing his phone. reading his trash that was thrown away and deciding it be a good idea to send him a poem based on the poem he threw away. joining a gaming tournament just to spend time with Adrien and almost loosing max his spot even though she doesn't care about the competition. doesn't tell master fu right away that the kwami book was in adrien's possession because she was worried adrien could be hawkmoth. She also joined the fencing team just to impress adrien and just gives Adrien the win when him and kagami were fencing when she didn't know who won. In the episode frightengale she was going to not play lb to protect her identity but when chloe says she'll be ladybug with Adrien mari just goes against her better judgment and plays lb. joining forces with chloe to stop Adrien from spending time with kagami. Then by teaming up with kagami just to sabotage her so she doesn't spend time with Adrien to make sure they dont fall in love.tells jagged to pick Adrien as his guitarist even though Adrien has trouble making it to practice and luka is the obvious choice with music basically being his one defining trait and is great at it. ditching her friends to pose as a boy to sneak into a party to be around adrien the awkward statue thing and breaking into his house even though Adrien knows lila's a liar she also has a chest full of future birthday gifts for adrien which is unsettling. Gives kagami the dragon miraculous just to stop her time with Adrien and getting insanely angry any time a girl wants to date him that can actually ask him out even though there not a couple or anything of the sorts to warrant that reaction she does randomly kiss his cheek in season 2 ep 26 but that didn't seem that bad and Adrien seems to just think it was a thank you or something cause it's never spoken of again which is bad writing and I didn't like the switched kwami episode because it made marinette completely capable as chat but made Adrien hopeless as ladybug and everything felt off amazing video and really well said
You make good points all 'round. The kissing may or may not be a fes6nch cultural thing so why everyone got so upset is another question.
yeah I assumed so since there in france but that's how they ended the 2nd season and there is no follow up which is the dumb writing in there part especially when all the side characters were cheering and Adrien and marionette's relationship is a major plot point so for them to kiss on the cheek for the 2nd season finale to have no effect on that side plot is so annoying but I totally get yah thanks for the reply
This is why this show is for children... why is it that everyone has to take this shit seriously? It's a comedy kid show ffs.
@@cristaljustice4534 you came to a video titled why miraculous ladybug is a mess rant it's in the title saying its criticism for miraculous ladybug and chat noir a kids show even though there are many good kid show like Kim possible, danny phantom and of course avatar the last airbender so why are you watching this video if you dont think people should critique kid aimed shows
@@abbyward2952 im watching this video because I wanted her to discuss about their storyline and how bad it becomes. The episodes are repetitive and this love triangle is getting messy and frustrating. And btw my comment was my critique so it doesn't matter if you don't agree with me but it is my opinion and I didn't force the comment on you to believe every word I say
I used to love this show. I really did. The identity thing did mildly annoy me because of the fact that not only do Marinette and Adrian don't really look that much different when they're Ladybug and Chat Noir (except for messier hair and different eyes for the ladder), but also the fact that LITERALLY NO ONE is suspicious of either of them because they ALWAYS suddenly go missing whenever there's an akuma attack.
I agree, but I feel like that since the show is of the superhero/magical girl variety, it’s kinda expected. Like in Sailor Moon, Usagi’s magical girl uniform literally looks like her school one and she has the same hair and voice, but no one suspects anything. It’s a cliche for these shows.
i want to go back to the time when these were the only issues the show had
Galaxy Uchiha They all are idiots everyone in the show are literally idiots
I guess like Sailor Moon there is an implied magic effect that protects identity - some Ladybugs don't even don a mask and remain a mystery to all. I think the problem would fall down if LB was ever Marinette in disguise as LB and was seen as such to closely - But neither recognized the other's voice in feast or during Kwami Buster or even noticed that Marinette & LB sound the same when they are talking to each other.
People doesn’t think about look who knows maybe adrien think ladybug eyes are green or marinette think something Else but my point here people think about their personality they just don’t act like themselves like adrien never flirt and marinette is something.....
I hate the excuse that "It's just a kid's show!" for bad writing, character development, plot, etc. Not only does ATLA exist but B:TAS existed in the 90s. Heck, Mister Rogers talked about Divorce and Death and that was a show for preschoolers. They should just admit they're lazy or don't know what they're doing. Also, read some fanfiction, it's sometimes better.
I don't like how the excuse is for terrible writing either, "Arthur" is another example of a well-done "kid's show".
And yet Mr Rogers was still wholesome. Talking about real life issues won’t scar kids for life if you talk to kids where they’re at
@@alyssapinon9670 Truth!
Exactly! There are many examples of good kid shows; this is not an excuse! The writing is just lazy.
The only reason Marinette doesn’t get akumatized is because she has no real emotions
* Gasp * It could be somehow she is actually a sentimonster! :O (Dun-dun ... duum)
How the heck does she fall in love and get sad or even SCARED?!
The only reason she doesn’t get akumatized is because she isn’t a character
Gosh, I wish she would because it might add an interesting layer to her character, (depending on how it's written.)
@@arisellemonique541 not to mention, there'd be the issue of stopping her without ladybug.
At this point I feel so awful for Adrien because he now has to live knowing about Marinette’s creepy ibsession with him, has an absent father, “dead” mother, and is left in the dark about literally everything and is still expected to trust Ladybug. If I were him I would be demanding answers from Ladybug because the trust between the two is not balanced at all, and I just wanna give him a hug and tell him to take a break. If it keeps up much longer, Cat Noir’s gonna lose his faith and trust in Ladybug, and I won’t blame him for it
Your profile picture is adorable BTW
Poor cat noir I just feel so bad for him he has to put up with a fake smile and yet he doesn't know hes the one that needs to get a smile and a hug🥺
Bunnylover UWU I would happily give him a big hug and a croissant. And have a talk with him just so that he can let all of his problems out to someone who is willing to listen.
@@KazuhaEien Thank you! ♥️
Question : what series is it on
Because I last saw the one where master Fu went memory oof.
I'm late but here's my piece. How do the normal citizens of Paris feel about this? About superheroes, supervillains, akumas? Paris being attacked constantly? Innocent citizens being mind controlled or caught up in a fight? The chance of becoming a supervillain if their emotions get out of hand? The fact that it's obviously children/teens handling this? That the government isn't taking action? Are parents not worried about their kids? Does no one want to live in Paris anymore? Has any spoke up about their concerns? Does none of the previously akumatized or affected talk about their experiences? How do people feel about this? Everyone else in the city seems so blasé about the whole thing. Such worldbuilding would be really great.
Exactly! Besides, how frequent are you that angry that you become akumatized? And you're right, where is the government in this? Why isn't the government making these teachers teach their kids about anger issues? Why isn't this government helping? There's only a mayor that does nothing about these akumatizations. Then there's Ms.Bustier that gets akumatized all because marinette said to chloe "Nothing, just like in kindergarten." Or something like that. That made Chloe to destroy Marinette's gift to Ms.Bustier. Ms.Bustier is a nice teacher that actually helps her students. Maybe she should be a health teacher or something.
You'd think that schools and other work areas would probably have more mental and emotional guidance counselors in order to reduce akumatizations, but noooo.
Also, seriously where is the government in all this!? I'm also genuinely surprised not one of the citizens that have been attacked by an akuma (sometimes having NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES) have some form of trauma or left the city for their protection. Is everyone really just okay with this? But I guess since OP Lucky Charm will save the day, tHeY hAvE nOtHiNg To WoRrY aBoUt.
@@gabbyella1158 In one of my fanfictions, the President of France comes down to Paris to give a speech about this and since a incident happens at the school, the School´s closed and the current Mayor is temporarily fired while a Vice Mayor gets in charge, eventually the characters that come to bring lawfulness in Paris are undermined by Gillet Jaunes protests and HM uses the oportunity to akumatize more people.
@@sebas8225 That's nice. That right there is a fan-fic. A nice one!
The akumatizing-due-to-emotion thing is really creepy in hindsight - like, can this country never get angry? Never overly sad or upset?
The fact this grown man is getting into fights on twitter with his own fans because they don't agree with HIS interpretation is sad, holy shit
Honestly? Sofia The First is a better structured show than this and it aired on Disney. Jr. Sure, there are a lot of episodes that are just haha funny talking animals, but there is also so much character, a villain goes from being willing to let Sofia die to be willing to die for her, and it feels authentic because the development is so gradual, the stakes are real, they don't shy away from characters inner dilemmas while still showing larger threats.
It covers being bullied throughout your entire life, having to deal with the fact your mom can't be only with you all the time, what it can feel like to have people not see your step-dad as your "real" dad, what consequences high expectations from parents can bring, what it's like to have nobody believe in you, that you're not always the good guy, etc.
And Sofia grows so much throughout the show. She's still the same person in terms of morals and values, but she's not the same as she was at the beginning. If Sofia the fucking first can manage all this, why can't Miraculous Ladybug?
Wait are you for real
@@zachanikwano asdfgjk i know it sounds unbelieveable, but im fr
This is so true. I watched all 4 seasons and seeing the growth of not only Sofia but characters like Hugo,Amber or Cedric get character development and grow was amazing to see in a kids show. Sofia the first hit all points and could not only be enjoyed by kids, but I as a teenager had a good time watching it. Very good kids show, way better then Miraculous.
@@grimoregutz6228 Amber is what Chloe wishes she could be
Cedric is top tier antagonist, his villain song proves it
One of the reasons I hate the season 3 finale is because Chat was once again put down by Ladybug. At least let him prove his trustworthiness by holding half of the Miraculouses in his possession! He is just as capable as Ladybug, yet I feel he is constantly being underestimated and out shined by her. Weredad was SO CLOSE to letting Chat prove himself by beating Mari's father and saving her, BUT NO APPARENTLY. Ladybug just had to swoop in and "save the day". Don't even get me started on Chrismaster! *long siiiiigggghhhhh*
I'm just done with you Thomas.
The Ladybug and Chat partnership has to be the most frustrating thing about this show to me. The show says they are supposed to be equals, but it feels like Chat barely reaches sidekick status. He never has a chance to really save the day on his own. He either needs to be rescued or gives one good idea before Ladybug takes over. There are all these rules for why Chat needs to be kept in the dark about things, but somehow Ladybugs gets to be the exception to all these rules. Chat only found out about the guardian because a transformation potion was need to defeat the villain of the week. Chat doesn't get to know the identity of any of the other Heroes that Ladybug picks and she is the who gets to choice if the Guardian doesn't. In the Timetagger episode, we get to hear how awesome Ladybug is and how many tough villains she defeated. All Chat gets is a 'you still mess things up'. It makes me feel so bad for Adrian with everything he has to put up with.
@Halle Campos same here. Come on, Chat Noir needs love too, you know.
RPGPersona Agree 100%
@@RPGPersona I agree with you
Did you also notice that in the last episode of season 3 Chat stopped calling LB “m’lady” 🥺
Marinette could've called Adrien and told him his dad was trying to break them up. They could've dated in secret, similar to the way Adrien and Kagami sneak around. There were so many options
Honestly, I never hated a tv show episode as much as I did Chat Blanc, I literally despise it so much and it makes no sense at all
@@trashtheartist9420
I hate Miracle Queen more. They waste the only character to ever resist an Akuma because a 15-year-old girl is irredeemable. I thought her story was going somewhere 🤦🏾♀️
@@trashtheartist9420 I feel the exact same thing! To me that episode was so annoying because it came with the time travelling bs. Tbh, for me, introducing a time travelling ark in a show is almost never a good idea. Specially into the future, because it almost feels like you`re getting spoilers by the show itself. I mainly despised that episode because it gave me the"ADRiEN AND MARINETTE CANT BE TOGETHER, NOT EVEN IN THE FUTURE,AHAH TAKE THAT WE ARE GONNA MILK THE CRAP OUTTA THIS" vibe.
I'm not saying your wrong but what if they were caught while on a secret date.
@@smg3250
Both Chat Blanc and Miracle Queen are pretty bad..
Marinette (unsurprisingly) gets blamed for literally everything again.
Oh, she wanted to give her crush a hat she made- she caused the whole world to perish, and now she must erase her name from the gift instead of lying to Adrien (who literally jumped to a conclusion, so this is actually *his* fault) because we like to torment her!!!
Oh, what's that? Ladybug didn't transform when going to get a miraculous, even though she was being followed by Hawkmoth- who was watching her every move? Too bad, it's Ladybug's fault that Hawkmoth got the Miracle Box. To top it all off, it's also Ladybugs fault that she chose the dragon Miraculous instead of the Bee, because it's not like she explained to Chloe why she can't be Queen Bee anymore- right?
Other than those offenses...
Time travel always makes things unnecessarily complicated, and there's not much point in having Chat be akumatized. They don't learn anything, and the episode is more like a kick to the fans who want the reveal to happen
Miracle Queen is.. boring. It didn't have as much tension as the last finale, and the way they handled Fu is the literal worst. What was stopping Ladybug from grabbing the Pegasus miraculous and teleporting to Fu and bringing him back? Why did Ladybug dismiss Longg when she had two more powers left? It all seems like a convoluted way to make Marinette miserable..
There's so many things that would've been infinitely more interesting.. like how about putting the akuma into the miracle box instead? That would've been so cool.. but no, we got a half assed finale that just made me more mad than anything else
Huh.. now I honestly want to re-write the show.. hm...
I truly hate how they wasted Chlóe
Don’t worry! We got the infinitely better Mari Sue Zoe- I mean Misty! We have 1000% more niceness and 100% less depth! And the best character backstory ever! Get this: she wants to be an actor. Truly immaculate. Oh? You say you want flaws? Don’t worry! We’ll just have people keep saying that she’s so amazing. We’re so smart writers right? Don’t worry old Cyrus. At least we got Guilt trip.
@@dabest8777 underrated reply
Oh and hi Cyrus! Love your vids
samew
The fact that their classmates are like in high school or something and they act like they are 8.
I thought they were middle schoolers
Apparently they're like 14-15 (according to my sister that watches it). Which even then is waaay to old for the type of ridiculous stuff they do.
@@ftufddejf6052 no they are freshmen in high school!
@KEVIN AMAYA-CALDERON
Having high school protaganists as kid shows are...honestly a really strange choice. Most "kid shows" have elementary or middle school protaganists.
Dont get me wrong Im not expecting sexuality and social issues (even though it would be realistic for highschool students tbh), im not even expecting a sailor moon (which got darker as the series went on honestly) but I feel like high school protaganist shows should be at least a _little_ more mature.
they were 15 in season 1 but got aged down in season 2 and 3, which explains why Marinette sounds like a 9 year old in later seasons
"Quite frankly, I love the show, but I also think it's awful hot garbage." Almost every person over 12 who watches this XD
Yah 😅
Yah
Look, I’m 12 and I think it’s bad. Some of us 12 year olds are more mature then u think. Just saying.
No, no even I. A 12 year old who got into the show when I was 10 thought that
Sorry if I offended any twelve or below readers, honestly I just turned thirteen a few months ago, so I'm not even far ahead. I wasnt trying to call anyone stupid, or less observant, I was simply trying to be funny and make a joke, just like most people you meet in the comment sections. I'm sorry if you were offended, but that was not my intent, I'm very sorry if it came across as such
It annoys me how the show is called Miraculous: tales of ladybug AND CHAT NOIR, he is such an important character and he just gets brushed to the side. In season 4 I hope that half the episodes will mainly focus on Marinette’s life and the other half will mainly focus on Adrian’s life.
What would it be renamed to-
Agreed
I think we've see enough of mari's life. We need to see Adrian more. Or have at least one ep where chat snaps at her for once
If only Thomas would listen to the fans that know more about writing a functional plot than him lol
Luka's personality is being able to play a guitar and liking Marinette.
remember when master fu said that he won’t leave until hawkmoth was defeated? Well guess what, they decided to throw that away by making him lose his memory.
For good reasons. Hawkmoth would have ALL the answers. But NOPE!!!! I thank him for it, yet I'm sad...He shall be missed...
@Luwam Kidane But...Ladybug is the smart one...Cat Noir is just the brawler.
It's Brains and Brawn.
Luwam Kidane also the book of miraculous’ that his dad had he could discover more of that.
Dude they’re putting too much attention on Mari so everyone else is just set pieces like you said. Seriously, MARI IS THE MOST BORING AND RATHER CREEPY PROTAGONIST. STOP MAKING HER SEEM LIKE THE GOD OF ALL PEOPLE.
Mari Sue 😏
I personally don't think maranette is boring, but I think some other characters should get some more attention.
Marinette was okay in most of season 1 and stuff; I actually thought most of her character is interesting. But after that she just really got annoying, and definitely became more creepy with her crush.
Fandom Central I really liked Season 1 & 2 Marinette. She was a person who always tried to make things right, and even though she could be impulsive at times she did try and fix her mistakes. Also, her entire character didn’t revolve around Adrien. My favourite Marinette moment has to be in the Queen’s Battle Arc. Mari sacrificed possibly the biggest chance of becoming a famous fashion designer (her goal in life) because she saw that Chloe- the girl who has done nothing but torment her- needed the opportunity to go to New York more. Hell, she even willingly gave her back the Bee Miraculous because she saw the potential in her. AND she organised a party for her! S2 Marinette was the BEST! I miss her so much! 😫
Mari is nothing but a obsessive stalker towards Adrien,it’s down right creepy asf
"Mean people don't deserve a Miraculous."
I'm 100% sure that Marinette is on the naughty list for getting Santa akumatized.
Nah she’s *apparently* the most amazing and the nicest girl in the world
When really, Adrien IS the nicest kid in the whole world
No one:
Literaly no one:
Santa: "She is the nicest girl in the world :)"
@@sahisiva9904 its just a cartoon :/
@Alicia Chiminje She still assaulted someone unprovoked, so whether that was the real Santa or not, the point still stands.
How to do a Miraculous Ladybug episode :
Step 1 : *10 minutes of the story who is actually interesting sometimes*
Step 2 : *Make from this 10 minutes story 5 minutes about Marinette loving Adrien*
Step 3 : *aCuMmAtTySe someone*
Step 4 : *They transform*
Step 5 (Bonus) : *Add a superhero who is going to get forgotten*
Step 6 : *Have 15 minutes of them fighting even tho Marinette can just use her lucky charm from the begining*
Step 7 : *They win*
Step 8 : *2 minutes of story*
*Good job you made your own Miraculous Ladybug episode!*
I hate how every single time they introduce someone you immediately know they’re turning evil, you’re pre-determined to not like their character no matter how good it could be
I'm still convinced that the protagonist should've been Adrien.
He's flawed, but he wants to be better.
He got some tragic origins.
He's actually capable of self defense and a very educated person.
He could actually trust his team mates, and be clear with them since he knows for sure what's to be lied to and the loneness.
Even as a civilian or as a hero, he's a better person than Marinette.
Adrien was willing to sacrifice his freedom for a stranger. (The origins episode)
I'll always think that Marinette was just a lucky Looney girl who just got the miraculous, and her reason to love Adrien is dumb. Very similar to Helga, but in Helga's case, it actually work.
It's just frustrating that Master Fu favors Marinette instead of training both of the original miraculous users.
Can we talk about how valid this argument is, but when it's brought up to thomas he's reasoning for Marinette being our main protagonist is because she's a girl and that he specifically states how "Girls are naturally superior to boys". Like listen, we're not saying adrien should be leader because he's a guy but because in general his character is more balanced than that of Marinette's.
And it's not like I hate marinette either but there are so many things in her character that you can't not question.
@@snailduck5202 I'm afraid of what will be the serie, if even the creator don't like his own characters
@Alicia Chiminje ok but same goes for Adrien. He's madly in love with lady bug but refers to Marranette as a friend because he's so inlove with lady bug.
F I N A L L Y
@@snailduck5202 whered he say that :(
There are just too many heros at this point, I get that 2 get boring after a while but I swear to god why does half the class have a miraculous? Why aren't there any adult heros? And why all from the same class? It's just too much
Yeah, it seems like a miraculous isn't special anymore
Omg yes why are they handing out miraculous like they’re candy? I was fine with Alya and Chloe getting one but after that it just got out of hand
It was fine with the S2 heroes. 5 is a reasonable team size. But now they’ve lost the plot completely. Thomas, how the hell does 15 heroes ALL from the same class look more inconspicuous than 5 heroes who may or may not attend the same school in your books? Like, c’mon.
they’re all literally 14-15 years old. marinette was 13 when she was given the miraculous. why the fuck would the last remaining miraculous guardian give superpowers to kids. out of everyone in paris. 14 year olds.
oikawa tooru holy shit, everyone's 14-15?? That's insane, they are way too young for a miraculous. I am actually kinda confused on why they are portrayed as much more older than they seem. I though they we at least 16 or 17.
One more argument for Chloe: in the episode Ladybug (I think) where Marinette was akumatized (briefly) along with practically the rest of the class- for them it happened bcuz they didn’t trust Marinette, and instead trusted Lila. BUT! Guess who didn’t get akumatized (because they believed her) Chloe and Sabrina. Say it again people. Chloe. And. Sabrina. Trusted. Marinette. Instead. Of. Lila.
Is she really that bad?
OMG can you imagine if maybe Sabrina convinced Chloe Marinette isn’t that bad? Or if she came to that conclusion herself after what Marinette did for her in Queen Wasp and Malekdiktator?
@RJRG Studios Yeah, I love it whenever they give Chloe those little “oh look she’s actually got a heart” moments. They’re always great.
@Alicia Chiminje haha yes
@Alicia Chiminje you have to be the OwO of the MLB fandom
i find it also incredibly disgusting that Thomas calls Chloe irredeemable and evil when clearly she is a child suffering from Neglect and abuse. As a child from neglect and abuse i find it horribly offensive that someone who is obviously struggling and acting out portrayed on tv to KIDS. Is quote on quote "evil". Sure she does bad things and sure she bullies everyone and thinks she's better then everyone. BUT if you had your parents not care about you and your father be spineless and give you whatever you want to hide the fact your mother doesn't care about you, you would sure as hell be the same way. Neglect isn't something you can joke around. Its damaging to a kid. It makes you feel worthless and unloved and crave attention. I know when i was being neglected, i was angry and i would act out for people to pay attention. id kick my walls in and throw tantrums a lot. I would use people and push them away to not let them get close to me. Inside i was suffering and i used a wall i built up to avoid being left alone and loved so it wouldn't hurt. You could tell that when she got her miraculous she felt like she had a purpose. Of course, due to her raising she thought it was a toy at first but she believed in Ladybug because she saw her as this strong person. Even to the point of dressing up like her. (which from neglect i did that too to feel like i was stronger and loved by everyone. I did this with cat noir when it first came out and it got so bad i wanted to become a boy just to be like him. Which now is embarrassing because he has no character anymore lol). She was growing and wanted to be what she dreamed of so that she doesn't have to be weak and hurt. Even when her mother came to Paris and didn't even know her or wanted her to be her assistant and nothing more, Chloe transformed as a way to protect herself and show she wasnt weak. She acted out because she thought with her powers she was stronger and wanted to show her mother she wasn't going to be pushed around. I understand how Chloe feels. it doesn't excuse her actions but it gives a reason. THAT is why i love Chloe and why i think she didn't deserve to be treated like a set piece. Unlike lila who, mind you, got Marinette expelled and then lied to her mother about the school being closed so she doesn't have to go. Yet Thomas praises her. There is no excuse on why lila does that, i doubt there will be. In the end Chloe was the most thought out character but left her back to square one erasing everything she had grown to be. You literally saw her walls go down to ladybug and then oh woops! Back at square one!! she's evil and badguy we're replacing her with a new hero!!! honestly disgusting.
YES! It's honestly disgusting that Thomas frames an abuse victim as an irredeemable villain. And to make it worse, Chloe isn't even a real threat! Why make her a villain, if she's not as powerful or manipulative as Hawk Moth or Lila, you're just resorting her to a plain bully, which of course, IS BAD WRITING.
Yep it is just disgusting that Thomas did that. And for me that is irredeemable.
Thomas is a petty manchild. He wrote Chloe based of his child bully and isn't mature enough to move on and portray her as a person with feelings and emotions instead she use him as a sort of "revenge"
What's worse was that as of Season 5, she's being sent to live with her abusive mother to be eternally tormented, and people are supposed to celebrate that. It's kinda sick, actually.
And another thing! The creators need to stop marinette’s obsessiveness, it’s getting creepy, heck it’s gotten creepy! She puts too much energy into what Adrien does and which girl he spends time with, majority of her personality is “I’m in love with adrien”. It’s cringy and terrible!
Plus she's a boring character, I mean Adrien should share her spotlight since he needs to learn about boundaries and show Paris that he's capable like Ladybug, plus GABRIEL IS FORKING HAWK MOTH! The reveal won't have any emotional impact if we don't see Adrien's POV. Marinette starts to annoy me with her "love story" to be honest.
@@aria-fantrexian5574 ikr and her reason for loving Adrien is dumb. “Girl mistakes boy for putting gum on her seat. And when she realizes he was tryna help she falls in love with him”. Like wtf am I watching?? Is this real??
Mari's very gross/creepy when it comes to her crush on Adrien! She BROKE in his house, sabotaged Kagami 3 times, smelled his bed, stole his phone, has a shrine dedicated to him, knows his schedule, made presents for his next 35 (more or less) birthdays, etc. No one does this!! It's gross how obsessive and possessive she is over a guy she barely knows. The writers are terrible for how they made Mari's crush
@@yescaluvy1612 I feel like the writers may think this is how teenage girls act when they really don’t. You can have a crush on someone without being a creepy obsessed stalker.
They might be playing it up for the joke, but don't they realize that you know...THE MAIN CHARACTER having obsessive tendencies like this makes the audience not like her more? Which is kind of important considering she's the person we're going to be following the most?
Literally the only thing I like about this show now is the concept. The story, the pacing, the timing, the characters, the designs, and the animation all range from okay to terrible.
I agree but the soundtrack is pretty good too ngl.
Basically everything but the plot
THAT EXACTLY WHAT I SAY!!
The main idea of the show and characters are just 😘👌
However the way everything is developed and the pacing of the show is just crap
*Why Pegasus wasn't designed with riding boots is beyond me*
come to order! C.G.:the Cartoon Judge! which show do u prefer? cause i personally like randy cunningham a lot more
Ok...
1. Thomas really forgot people aren't born bad, they become bad. Chloe had one of the worst family lives ever, but she isn't evil, unlike Lila and Hawkmoth. She needs to realize being miracle queen was a mistake and a better arc. (changed my mind about Lila and hawkmoth being irredeemable, so I changed it to evil)
2. I'm going to need Marinette being akumatized due to Lila's lies, with Alya silent for a moment, shaking from fear and guilt for believing Lila over Marinette as she sheds a tear.
3. Make Luka and Marinette have PERSONALITY. You did it with Chloe, so you can do it with them. >:(
4. How does no one see Marinette is Ladybug? it takes only 1 look to realize it's her, and I'm not buying that they're all that stupid because they can tell when Chloe is trying to act like Ladybug, wig and all (-_-)
5. Since Marinette is such a creep, can't she tell Adrian doesn't have a good father?
6. costumes are horrible (Like why doesn't Ladybug have wings when Cat Noir has cat ears and a tail?)
7. Master Fu has some major favoritism that needs to be cancelled. I thought Cat Noir was a partner, not a sidekick that gets left behind...
8. Hawkmoth's exposition in season 2 does not make me empathize with him, it makes him sound worse since he put his son's life in danger to revive his wife.
9. They need to show the other heroes showing emotions or I'm fighting someone. D:<
10. For crying out loud since they made it clear there are many other powers, SHOW THEM TO US ALREADY!
I have a theory that lila lies because her mom. Her mom is always like, "I'm gonna come back, I pinky promise!" but never comes back.
Thomas it's like... Dude, You wrote her. Give me a reason for that hatred you give her.
Can they please fix Marrinette? She's become a super salty person and leads a horrible example to the children viewing Miraculous too. And can Chat Noir be more than a side note pls. He is literally half of the story.
@@dakuten3882 Yes facts. Also they should stop Marinette obsession with Adrien. Like sis he ain't an object.
@@hannahettinger9088 Oh okay thanks for reminding me
"Kids don't understand plot and relationships!"
Ah yes, my six year old sister can't watch the entirety of Star Wars the Clone Wars, recognize most every clone, know how the characters are connected, know all the slang and jargon, and understand the importance of arcs such as Mortis (season three), Order 66 (season six), and Siege of Mandalore (season seven), because she's six.
holy shit your sister should be classified as an scp by now every 10-3 year old ive meet watches cocomelon
@@TheLegendaryColorFixer_REDMIST Really? That's kinda sad. My dad loves Star Wars, and introduced it to me about the minute I was born, and now I've dumped it on my little sister. We watched it together, and she watches it by herself a lot. I have most definitely run into the room to watch it with her when I heard the intro a few times.
@@coconutthecockatiel478 nice but how would you react if your future grandkids start watching cocomelon and get addicted
@@TheLegendaryColorFixer_REDMIST Then I wouldn't have grandkids anymore.
Indeed. My brother knows almost all lore of Lego Ninjago, from season one to fourteen. He's 7 when he watched it with me.
the fanfiction is this fandom is so much better than the actual content. I just find it really really sad a single 16 year-old on ao3 can have better thought-out plots and better pacing and character developments that actually make sense for the character than a team of rational adults who put their products on national television.
Selim Sultan Akbar Can I just safely say that Miraculous Ladybug is fanfiction fodder at this point? The writing for this show is so inconsistent, it makes shit like Kingdom Hearts and the Fate series (both as a whole) look cohesively written in comparison.
I'm pretty sure that anyone can tell that something is horribly wrong with a TV show (animated or live-action) if the fan material for it is better than the canon/actual material.
have you ever thought that writers of the show just wanted to make more seasons because of the amount of fanfictions there is right now. I guess they scared to animate it like they should bcous.Imagine being the studio animating it and some guy is spamming DUDE it happened exactly like i wrote it in my fic:O so basically they copied someone else work or whet:DD so nOW enjoy shitty ML.And EVERYONE IS SCREAMING that they copied off of a fanfic :O :DF that would be oH my God dude.AHAHAHAH
Lili
What’s funny is that it’s just one person coming up with different theories and ideas, they have time to go through and process the characters better then the writers could ever accomplish.
my guess would be that the team of adults simply forgot what it was like to be a teen so they can't write neither teen drama or characters to save their lives.
A less incendiary guess would be something i saw on youtube once about why teen tv sucks now, it's because the writters try to mimic the dynamic that happened and was popular when they were teens, but since they are completely blind to how it has changed they just add smartphones and social media to it, it's really no wonder that's basically Alya's character as a whole.
@@juwanbantug5465 Often wildly different too. But yeah on average the Fan fiction is good and sometimes it's pretty darn great. I'm really enjoying a series about Nino at the moment & his budding romance with Kagami (It's so adorable)
Personally, I love Luka as a character. But that's the thing, he doesn't HAVE a character. His entire existence was a plot device for a one-sided love story. Luka had opportunity, but it was thrown away, so his personality turned into liking Marinette. I wish he had at least a little development, maybe then he would be more likeable.
Same with Kagami. I love her character: we stan a queen who can fight with a sword in this household. BUT. I don’t like the way she’s treated/viewed in canon. There is SO MUCH you can do with a Japanese character from a renowned and strict household. You can tie her reluctancy to disobey her mother to the Japanese belief that disobeying your elders casts dishonour over the family name. Don’t have her be rivals with Marinette, but rather friends after meeting the first time. Just ANYTHING instead of making her an Anti-Sue and a romantic rival. Toxic feminism is NOT something we should teach kids.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I love Kagami too, and she has such good set-up for the story, but it was destroyed to serve as a second love interest. The problem with the show that its episodes are repetitive that it lacks the chance to develop other characters, and usually just caters Marinette in an unfortunate route.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I love Kagami! She's such an amazing character and I hate to see her get hate, and so much of it.
EJAKEJ SERIOUSLY HE DOESNT EVEN CARE THAT MARINETTE IS STILL CAUGHT UP OVER ADRIEN LMAO LIKE BOYYY FIND YOU A BETTER GF
Kagami is a crazy friend to adrien like marinette. When marinette is jealous she doesn't fling her phone take out a sword get akumatized and hunt down lila
Honestly at this point I'm just reading fanfics of the show, coz they have more creativity and well thought out plot then this whole mess. The Fandom handled it better. And if anyone out there wants to see good Cloe redemption arc, go read Miraculous Hive on ao3
This is just sad.
Jolly Pythantus I agree that is just sad
I love it when fan fictions become better than the show
I dont even read fanfiction and I READ UNDER LOCK AND KEY
To be fair...
I didn't like Harry Potter but some of the fanfictions are actually pretty interesting and good.
I did like Miraculous, but it's getting to the point where, if I want anything to change and develop, it's becoming painfully obvious that fanfiction is where that'll happen. Not the canon world.
Fun fact: Chole had a redemption arc because Thomas was away and the other writers decided to give chole a character development but once Thomas returned he got mad about it and that’s when thing for chole went downhill
Those writes made season 2 better than all the other seasons combined.
Too bad they couldn’t control the entire show, it probably wouldn’t be as bad as it is because Thomas took over everything…
I don't think it's true, he was there in the credits of the show, BUT there were two directors and I think the other one wanted Chloe to have a redemption arc
@@ozvuchkibilla Being in the credits of an episode of the show you created doesn't mean you were in control of it. That's not how industry works... Look at Matt Groening, still in Simpson's credits and not working on the show for years
The thing that kinda weirds me out is the relationship between Adrien and Marrinette. I have a feeling they’ll be canon in the end but I don’t know how it’s suppose to happen. Ladybug likes Adrien for his fake persona, well at least the person he doesn’t wanna be. Cat noir is Adriens true personality, isn’t it a little toxic? This goes for Adrien as well, he likes Marrinette when she is ladybug. Ladybug is the ideal superhero that Marrinette wants to be, but can’t. They are both in love with the ideal version of eachother, the versions that go against their real personalities. NOW IF I DONT SMELL TOXICITY?? I really wanna know how they’re suppose to work that out tbh.
I think this is why MariChat, the least canon among the love square pairings, is as popular as it is. Because that’s their most genuine selves. I can’t stand Ladrien, honestly. It’s just so idealized and uGH. It’s supposed to be the pairing that works the most, but I just have never been able to like it.
That was my take on Adrien as well. I always kind of saw Chat Noir as being his true self, or at least, what Adrien would be like if he was completely free. I like Chat Noir’s personality more than Adrien’s because of that. Maybe to make it work, they could have both personalities soften over time. Like Chat Noir could show some moments where he reverts back a bit into a more reserved nature and then for Adrien, to show moments where he speaks out and is like Chat Noir. And where this happens in front of Marinette/Ladybug. That way she’d start to change her feelings from a crush on a Prince Charming to more a real love on a person who has flaws. And she’d also be conflicted about maybe getting feelings for Chat Noir. Same thing done to Marinette/Ladybug. I feel like they have done this a little with Marinette/Ladybug, but they never let Adrien/Chat Noir notice it. I think it’s an issue of forcing a later reveal-by not allowing their characters notice these things and grow in feelings and eventually figure out the other’s identity possibly.
I’ve been saying this for year
But I am always attacked when I bring it up
Marichat is the way tbh they would learn to love what each of them ACTUALLY has to offer without being fake and they would get along much better
After you loveater I think you would like to quit watching miraculous
the biggest problem is that the fans see the many flaws of the show. and yet thomas astruc does nothing. the best part of the show atm is fan content. that's really sad
Agreed. My head cannons are better than all 3 seasons and honestly it’s not saying much
The worst thing is that he actively defends those flaws when people point them out. He acts like the fans are "fansplaining" things to him (and I shit you not that's a word he actually used), and he's the writer so that MUST mean that anything he says is the objective truth and whatever viewers have a problem with is just a "ahah you really think you know more than me" moment, right? 💀
@@franm938 Ah Mr. Astruc, have you stopped to consider that maybe some of your fans are also writers? Seriously, does he think he's the only person who can be a writer or something?
@@the_unholynjh3513 not only that, but when you make a show and the people who are consuming the finished product have some complaints about it... maybe listen to them? the viewers are the people the show is made for, after all. If you don't even listen to your audience when they point out flaws because they genuinely want the show to live up to its full potential, don't expect them to stick around for very long.
ok and also THE WASTED POTENTIAL!!! the characters could be interesting and growing, and hey, the plot could get so interesting, with the Agreste family and stuff
Here's something Austruc said on Twitter
"Adrien is perfect. But his flaw comes from the fact he's not accustomed to the ''outside'' world. His innocence makes him vulnerable. To sum it up: he' s not flawed. The world is."
I think that's kind of a load of bull. Adrien is clearly emotionally and socially stunted, seems to be too eager to please to the point he thought calling out Lila would be wrong because he wants to avoid conflict and thought she wasn't doing any harm, and his attitude with Ladybug in some episodes can be pretty pushy and entitled too.
Also, when Adrien's bad actions were pointed out his response was that it was Cat Noir who did that.
"My answer was referring to Adrien. Not Cat Noir."
"Each person has different sides. CN is a new, different side of Adrien, that the latter learn to live with. It doesn't mean Adrien and CN are different entities, or that they're complete opposite. Not everything is binary in life : black or white, good or evil, same or opposite."
I think that the way some people exaggerate him to a victim blaming stalker with no regard for Ladybug's feelings is also a load of bull, but Adrien also has some clearly unhealthy behaviors and flaws that the show refuses to address and Astruc seems to almost talk about Cat Noir and Adrien as two different people since apparently Cat Noir messes up and is the stuff Adrien needs to live with about himself and yet Adrien is still literally perfect.
Does anyone else see the problem with this?
He also says LB is perfect and CN has trouble controlling his emotions, so it could be possible he is either messing with people or talking about the perspectives of Marinette and Adrien and this weird idea of symmetry between them.
If that is the case then he really needs to word his messages better if he wants to engage with fans and critics on social media.
That still doesn't change how Adrien as Cat Noir can sometimes act pushy and entitled with Ladybug, such as getting moody and angry at her because she had plans to spend her day somewhere other than with him in Glaciator and the whole Copycat incident.
I don't hate Adrien, but I want to see his flaws and poor grasp of boundaries being addressed in the show and overcome by him. I can understand why he would be that way given his upbringing, but that doesn't mean it should be given a free pass or that he doesn't have things he needs to fix about himself.
The show's refusal to allow progress in their whole two person triangle pair for so long really hurt their characterization and didn't let them grow out of those problems.
"Adrien is perfect. But his flaw comes from the fact he's not accustomed to the ''outside'' world. His innocence makes him vulnerable. To sum it up: he' s not flawed. The world is."
ngl this line feels Very Infantilizing and it makes me uncomfortable how he views sheltered kids like adrien as "innocent and vulnerable"
I also Hope in the the next season they explain more of hawk moth's past, like, his mentallity, his obsession with his wife,
Cuz with his context literally any other father or mother could be hawk moth.
Yo William Harmon, I agreed honestly on your post about Adrien. Like I wish the show would actually let me see more sides to Adrien beyond he's a nice guy. His strict life with his father clearly causes some anger. (There's that Christmas episode where he's about to take his anger out on a Christmas tree but then he stops, but I like this moment because it shows Adrien struggles with anger, but he tries to hold it back. Or like maybe they could try to show a full episode that's just Adrien's home life (no Marinette, it's mainly an Adrien-centric episode and then they can go back to Marinette for other episodes.) I feel like then I can get more on Adrien that way such as his sadness and anger with his father and like let me see more of his social awkwardness with people (kind of like how I saw it in the Bubbler when Nino threw him a party.) I'm not really saying erase Adrien's kind nature. I still want that to be present, but well as I stated before, "I want to see more to him as well in his character."
Also like..we need Marinette and Adrien interaction. Not just for romantic development, but also because I feel like the two have a lot in common. Like they're both socially awkward. I see Adrien as being awkward in a way where he's very exciteable and eager to socialize but ends up not quite getting what people want at times while Marinette is awkward in a kinda quiet way where she searches for the words but she opens up to you. Anyway also, Marinette and Adrien should honestly learn what they're really like personality wise not just learn about each other when they're wearing masks as Ladybug and Chat Noir. For me, if this show is gonna push this whole "who are they beneath the masks," they might as well actually demonstrate this.
Thomas said on Twitter he didn't care about Marinette's age not working with her zodiac sign. They create so many plot holes and say it's no big deal like children eat all the shit they serve.
People are not defined by their zodiac? I don't see a problem with him not using her zodiac.
@@memesdear2323 according to her chinese zodiac sign she should be 18 or 19 now i don't remember. But basically according to the zodiac she gives she is older than she seems
@@disco_depression how does that work? I thought zodiac signs were born the date you were born and it makes some of your personality.
@@memesdear2323 that's the greek/babylonian zodiac you are talking about. I admit I should've added the detail but the chinese zodiac works in a different way. It has to do with the year you are born aswell (I was born in 2004 and I am the monkey sign if I remember right)
@@disco_depression you 4 years older than me, anyways thats interesting.
The problem with luka is his relationship with Marinette. Hear me out. Imagine Luka as a character and not as a love interest. He has potential. Why? Because we see him be almost perfect, he is kind, smart heroic or whatever. It could have been an arc of why was someone like him not chosen for the miraculous. What is it that Marinette and Adrien have but luka lacks despite being such an ideal person. I dont know, I just thought that would be more interesting.
Hm. Good point. Same for Kagami. Take her out of her role as a forced love interest for Adrien, and we have the same setup. I love Kagami and Luka not for the shipping, but for their potential as their own characters. Away from the romantic drama.
Nothing that what. Marinette and Adrien have 0 chemistry. She can’t even talk to the guy!
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios Same!
@@YellowMango12 Yeah, same to Kagami really.
@@sittingcrowd912 this is how you know this person has only watched season 1 in season 2-3 their relationship has progressed because she has shown morr of her to adrien
Thomas seems to be more of a child than his target audience
BUUURRRNNN🔥🔥🔥🔥😭
holy shit you killed him dude
You just burned him
''it's a kids show''
YIKESSSSSSSS THAT BURN IS TOO DEEP. OOF-
Marinette doesn't show any emotion because she's dead, always has been. Died in the origins. We've imagined every other episode.
Alternatively, entirety of the show is Marinette's delusional fantasies. Season 3 is where she starts to realize this, hence that's why things get more dramatic and she starts to act more irrationally.
@@iwanttobelieveit this actually makes sense haha😳😳
_Damn, that's deep_
Mars Rover cool
*D E E P*
about the costume thing-
isnt Gabriel Agreste a whole entire FASHION DESIGNER??? 😭
I debunked that as canon the second I saw the acid attack on the eyes that is Queen Banana.
@@greenrangeralex yeah I was surprised by that too. I wonder if there are any fan designs of ladybugs suit
I head canon that hawkmoth run out off ideas
Even that or he felt lazy that day
I started realizing how bad this show was when everything just keeps repeating and how Marinette got so frustrating and the treatment of Chat Noir got WORSE. At this point I wanna rewrite the whole series myself and create a fan comic of it all with all the criticism from the fan base in mind. Listen to your audience, and it's very telling how Thomas is bad at criticism, even if it's constructive. If you ask me, he's the biggest villain of the series lol
Oh if you want a fan comic of ML you should check out the scarlet lady AU on Zoe-oneesama's tumblr, it's REALLY good and i think it does justice to pretty much egery character (except chloe lol but shes halirious in it) and its just really cool so i highly recommend (also Zoe has tons if austruc salt so thats fun)
@Ruti4 Soloveichik OMG I love that comic! Who knew Chloe made such a hilarious Ladybug?
And poor Tikki. You can see her will to live grow weaker with each issue XD
Please if you actually do this... send a link
Jaz N' Roses Actually, it’s already a series. Just head on over to Tumblr and type in “zoe-oneesama” and her comic should pop up. Please do check it out, it’s so freaking hilarious.
I know I already commented, but I 100% agree that creators need to listen to the fans giving advice. Obviously ignore the toxics and crazies, and focus on the nice ones. Like, for instance, for the Miraculous Rewrite I’m doing over on AO3, one reader noted that there should be less focus on exposition and more on the characters. Did it wound my pride? Yes. Did I listen to them and implement their suggestion into the next part? Yes! Because what they said was CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. And sure enough, that same reader came back and loved the second part. No one likes taking a hit to the ego, but in the end constructive criticism exists to help build you up: not tear you down.