Democracy on Tamriel, does it exist/is it possible? - The Elder Scrolls Lore

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  • @ImperialKnowledge
    @ImperialKnowledge  6 років тому +45

    Hope you liked the video, let me know your conclusions!

    • @flamesofchaos13
      @flamesofchaos13 6 років тому +2

      Democracy in the First or Second Era my friend?

  • @brassmoth7463
    @brassmoth7463 6 років тому +108

    If they discover OIL on Tamriel... yeah, they're gonna get some democracy.

    • @chiefsean16
      @chiefsean16 6 років тому +20

      Plenty of Dwemer oil lying about.
      Oh shit, I can hear the turbines already.

    • @emilianoborro5
      @emilianoborro5 6 років тому +6

      Look no further than hammerfell, oh and btw i think i saw some nuclear armaments there too if you know what i mean 😉

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +13

      @@chiefsean16 USA: did somebody say oil

    • @Urssaff
      @Urssaff Рік тому

      ​@@emilianoborro5oh no it's a weapon of mass destruction, bring the abrams and a10s as soon as possible!

  • @marxisminvariant
    @marxisminvariant 6 років тому +157

    *There is oil on Tamriel*
    USA: WE WILL BRING FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY TO THE TAMRIEL!

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +7

      And democracy

    • @VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
      @VelociraptorsOfSkyrim 6 років тому +25

      Technically there is.... The Dwemer had oil.

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +11

      America: ! Get'em!

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge  6 років тому +41

      @@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim why did you say that. Now the americans are going to invade in tes 6

    • @VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
      @VelociraptorsOfSkyrim 6 років тому +7

      @@ImperialKnowledge Because it would be amusing to see the Americans try.

  • @amandag.6186
    @amandag.6186 6 років тому +87

    Tamriel: finds oil
    America: time to lay the freedom and democracy on these guys

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +5

      America: SHUT UP OR I'LL GO FORTUNATE SON ON YOU!

  • @jpmisterioman
    @jpmisterioman 6 років тому +37

    It would be cool to do a video on Tamriel economy: which one is more close to capitalism, protectionism, feudalism and so on.

    • @conservativeanprim8903
      @conservativeanprim8903 4 роки тому +2

      Does communism exist in Tamriel?

    • @jpmisterioman
      @jpmisterioman 4 роки тому +8

      @@conservativeanprim8903 Thank the gods, no.

    • @altermigan8090
      @altermigan8090 3 роки тому +11

      It's important to understand that political system is the result of the economy development.
      All countries in TES universe are feudal and there can't be any capitalism until great technological progress is made.
      As for communism, there has to be a major conflict between workers and bourgeois. None of these exist yet. But there is still tribal communism left in some underdeveloped regions of Tamriel, I think

    • @oskar1076
      @oskar1076 3 роки тому +5

      @@conservativeanprim8903 no, the industrial preconditions don't exist to firmly organise workers into a proper communist society. Maybe a form of medieval a archive could function, think of like a totally autonomous village in the middle ages but also democratic.

    • @soulplexis
      @soulplexis 10 місяців тому +1

      It's in the semi feudal semi capitalist state. Like Europe in 1600s or so maybe further back

  • @damus5728
    @damus5728 6 років тому +23

    I GM'd an Elder Scrolls tabletop game, set in Valenwood. A lot of people there were trying to revive the more egalitarian and democratic spirit of the older clan society against Thalmor oppression. The players are against the Thalmor, but yet to see if Tamriel gets democracy

    • @docpossum2460
      @docpossum2460 6 років тому +4

      On the subject of TES games, me, my friend, Imperial Knowledge, and a guy called The Vexing Hiraeth made a TES Themed GMod RISK board.

  • @Ar-Telcontar
    @Ar-Telcontar 6 років тому +19

    I think the Empire could be called a proto-democratic monarchy since the Elder Council acts a lot like the Roman Senate, which wasn't truly like modern democratic systems since it favored the military elite and old noble families, it did lay the foundations of a lot of modern parliaments it also picks new emperors like the Roman Senate often did. The Elder Council also acts a lot like the Parliament of the Kingdom of England and the Sejm of Poland-Lithuania, with its fighting with the monarch for influence and power, and the parliament of England later become the modern parliament of the United Kingdom.

    • @tauempire1793
      @tauempire1793 5 років тому +3

      It kind of is but is more of an Monarchical Oligarchy

    • @viveka2994
      @viveka2994 4 роки тому

      No, because Rome didn't always have Emperor's related to each other.

  • @Charlie-dx6bv
    @Charlie-dx6bv 6 років тому +15

    So the Dwemer had oil, and now they are gone. Sounds like democracy found them.

  • @thompsonator4696
    @thompsonator4696 6 років тому +19

    I could just imagine an American spaceship traveling to nirn and bursting out of it like
    "WE HEARD YOU HAVE OIL" with guns ablazing trying to get dwarven oil.
    And replacing all Imperial flags with American flags. This needs to be the plot of The elder scrolls V.

    • @PandoraKin564
      @PandoraKin564 6 років тому +8

      Elder Scrolls V is Skyrim. VI is the one that's on the way.

    • @tjurti6803
      @tjurti6803 6 років тому +4

      Please dear God let that NOT be the plot for the elder scrolls 6

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому +2

      they'd also enslave the Redguards too, this is America remember!

  • @Centurion97
    @Centurion97 6 років тому +6

    > Is it possible?
    Do we know if Tamriel has oil or not?

  • @Dorkeydaze
    @Dorkeydaze 6 років тому +39

    If you don't come to democracy. Democracy will come to you!

  • @tauempire1793
    @tauempire1793 5 років тому +5

    Most of them are just Imperial authorities or Oligarchs this includes the Empire, an Independent skyrim, Hammerfell and the Aldmeri Dominion

  • @juliuscaesar5397
    @juliuscaesar5397 Рік тому +2

    I once wrote a skit about a major news station in the US going to Skyrim to find out that there is no major democracy movement. They even petitioned president Elizabeth Warren to invade Skyrim. Sadly, I don't have the skit to show you guys. I may write a new one.

  • @musicformed
    @musicformed 6 років тому +13

    wow awesome map!

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge  6 років тому +7

      Its yours lol

    • @musicformed
      @musicformed 6 років тому +4

      I know haha

    • @docpossum2460
      @docpossum2460 6 років тому

      Hey Ares, is there a place I can get that map?

    • @musicformed
      @musicformed 6 років тому

      Doc Possum well there isn't really a place but if you dm me I can send it to you if you want. You can find my info on my "about" page

  • @david8157
    @david8157 6 років тому +10

    Good review
    My definition of democracy would be - government for and by the people; all the people
    I see no democracy in Tamriel; nor any possibility of it any time soon
    Personally I dont want Tamriel to become the kind of world in which there could be democracy
    no more than I want it to be the kind of world in which there could be guns
    I want the Elder Scrolls and Tamriel to remain a high fantasy medieval themed world

    • @sarmatiancougar7556
      @sarmatiancougar7556 6 років тому

      Athis there were democracies in Middle Ages tho.

    • @david8157
      @david8157 6 років тому

      Such as...?

    • @sarmatiancougar7556
      @sarmatiancougar7556 6 років тому +1

      Athis the Swiss confederacy. Kingdom of Poland. Boyar Republic of Novgorod.

    • @david8157
      @david8157 6 років тому +2

      I guess there were isolated cases of varying degrees of popular participation in local government; but nobles and churchmen generally ruled the medieval world.
      Skyrim has some measure of vaguely democratic participation too, for example in the Moot.
      Popular participation in governance has been rare and restricted until modern times. At its beginning less than 10% of the US population was permitted to participate or vote.

    • @david8157
      @david8157 5 років тому +3

      @@juandiegogonzalez9510 They were run by the Mercantile nobility. Republics until the modern period were really oligarchies; ie the rich landed or mercantile families ran the show.
      That by the way is where Neoliberal Capitalism is headed today; a world controlled by transnational corporations and their owners. A transnational corporation is essentially a privately owned global empire and is not a democracy.

  • @cg7073
    @cg7073 6 років тому +12

    NAZBOL IN ELDER SCROLLS
    MADE BY ALMSIVI GANG

  • @Bus_Driver_Jay
    @Bus_Driver_Jay 6 років тому +11

    Do a video on if there were dinosaurs on Tamriel.

    • @martijnbakker1277
      @martijnbakker1277 6 років тому +6

      There are guar, alit, kagouti and cliff racers in Morrowind, and oblivion has clannfear. Those are probably the closest things to dinosaurs, as evolution isn't really a big thing in Nirn. The universe hasn't existed long enough for anything else than variations on existing creatures to evolve.

    • @viveka2994
      @viveka2994 4 роки тому +1

      @@martijnbakker1277 wrong, because evolution is a thing in es, as is proven as nords being from Atmorans and the Altmer in morrowind becoming Chimer.

    • @martijnbakker1277
      @martijnbakker1277 4 роки тому +4

      @@viveka2994 I said evolution isn't a big thing. Not that it doesn't exist.
      Life didn't start as bacteria and diversify from there. It started as elves, men, bears, horses, trees, etc. Life began at a point long after dinosaurs.

    • @viveka2994
      @viveka2994 4 роки тому

      @@martijnbakker1277 true

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому

      @@martijnbakker1277 we don't know how life started on tamriel, we only have what other characters in the universe have wrote. And just like real history often times those accounts are completely wrong or made up. I wouldn't brush off a lack of widespread evolution so confidently..

  • @cainthekilla717uh2
    @cainthekilla717uh2 6 років тому +4

    *insert liberty prime quotes*

  • @dagothur2666
    @dagothur2666 6 років тому +11

    USA in Elder Scrolls let's do this BOI

  • @cmazzeno
    @cmazzeno 6 років тому +5

    I can't be the only one who responds to "HELLO UA-cam!"

  • @Nomad1992
    @Nomad1992 3 роки тому +1

    This is my favourite video of yours, I watched it again : )

  • @ledanoir1239
    @ledanoir1239 6 років тому +6

    the empire is partially based on roman empire and paradoxically they (One of the biggest empires in the history) where who most advances did in self-determination and rights. They weren't a parlamentary monarchy but there where so close, so I think The empire of tamriel could be something like that and maybe, with a few thousands or years, became democratic.
    And talking about elves... U know, Stalin, Hitler etc where in politic partyes but when those partyes came to power they just pushed down other partyes with diferent opinions and started a dictatorship, so I think Thalmor could be just like a Nazi/communist party which know is the only party in Aldmeri.
    Srry for my terrible english

    • @zevaronxz7288
      @zevaronxz7288 4 роки тому +1

      "thamlor could be like a nazi/communist party"
      NAZBOL ALINOR
      NAZBOL ALINOR

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому

      nazi communist?? lmao two completely diff forms of government but ok

  • @xaoc6084
    @xaoc6084 5 років тому

    I believe the Magna Carta is a foundation for this sort of rule. Primarily because of an establishment of a council (Elder Council) yet the continuation of feudal society. That’s just my interpretation without going into massive depth.

  • @pcpolice2518
    @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому +1

    This guy is the best tamriel scholar out there.

  • @jacobvargas5336
    @jacobvargas5336 3 роки тому +1

    The empire has a strong chance of gaining democracy, it already has the functions in place for one. The council would be more like our forms of Congress and the emperor would be like our version of a president.

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому

      yup

    • @Comicfield1
      @Comicfield1 Рік тому

      We have an Emperor irl too, Emperor Naruhito of Japan, so if the Empire was ran like Japan, which is definately a Democracy, than we'd get something.

  • @altermigan8090
    @altermigan8090 3 роки тому +1

    If to speak about this topic from historical materialism standpoint, there can be no democracy in a feudal society.
    Basically, means of production are not developed enough for serfs to become independent from their lords. Much of the feudal labor is concentrated in agriculture and such society simply won't survive without most of its population concentrated in the fields.
    Thus, serfs can only get a profession from their parents AT MOST. Other than that, they don't have time and education to participate in politics. That's why aristocrats (who don't work that much) are in charge of feudal systems.

  • @khilorn
    @khilorn 6 років тому +1

    I actual like your definition better than mine

  • @xaoc6084
    @xaoc6084 5 років тому

    I believe the neatest equivalence of democracy would be that of the Magna Carta.

  • @Phoenix-pb4sm
    @Phoenix-pb4sm 6 років тому +2

    You could just as easily ask this question about the real world.

  • @Lele-ni4mv
    @Lele-ni4mv 6 років тому +2

    Watching from Brazil :)

  • @Lance-xd8hg
    @Lance-xd8hg 6 років тому +4

    Democracy is when the people have absolute power.

    • @jpmisterioman
      @jpmisterioman 6 років тому +6

      Lance HAHA!

    • @bebo2629
      @bebo2629 6 років тому +1

      No.

    • @xaoc6084
      @xaoc6084 5 років тому +2

      Lance Direct democracy maybe, however it depends what type of democracy you even speak of...

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому

      @@xaoc6084 he's talking about the idea of democracy itself lol, he's right

    • @xaoc6084
      @xaoc6084 3 роки тому

      @@pcpolice2518 I mean in essence yes. Again though you either delegate to a representative to act on your behalf, or you directly wield the democracy yourself.

  • @Rais-Codex
    @Rais-Codex 6 років тому +2

    I love democracy

  • @chaningdodson4245
    @chaningdodson4245 6 років тому

    Awesome man keep it up when you get info on tes 6 give us a video

  • @guidemelo
    @guidemelo 6 років тому +1

    Cool video!
    What about the Skaal?

  • @sarmatiancougar7556
    @sarmatiancougar7556 6 років тому +7

    Since the developers made Empire roman-like I really hope it goes crashing down as the last Emperor gets assassinated. I really wish to see the Republic of Cyrodiil (Senātus Populusque Cyrodīlico) emerging, that would be powered by the people’s fury rather than any lazy Emperor.
    I can guarantee you, Republic would had fought to the end rather than humble themselves. The white gold concordat was basically an upjump self humiliation. Men won’t live without Lorkhan, period.

    • @carlosmarquez5901
      @carlosmarquez5901 6 років тому

      If they made the empire that Roman like....then harsh times are ahead it's called the dark ages for a reason...could be interesting, a barren post apocaliptic world trying to rebuild itself, warlords, feudalism...

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому

      I think everyone in the empire knows the white gold concordat is a temporary thing, maybe the thalmor think otherwise but I never believed the empire was going to sit and let the thalmor tell them who they can and can't worship. This is why Ulfric's "stormcloak rebellion" is so stupid. Literally killing each other and dooming the human war effort because Nords can't worship talos in private for a few years...

    • @artoy6575
      @artoy6575 2 роки тому

      Well, there are indications to think that the quest to assassinate the emperor of Tamriel in Skyrim could be related to the council of elders. Add to that that the medes were illegitimately imposed and there is not even a septim left, the possibility of them adopting a Roman senate-like if they are really involved in the assassination is not out of the realm of possibilities.

  • @gabo1841997
    @gabo1841997 6 років тому

    The Empire in the 3rd Era was a benevolent Oligarchy then.

  • @rezahydra
    @rezahydra 3 роки тому

    High Rock’s always been the closest to me, and it’s always seemed more a United Dutchy. Even if it broke free and created more of a centralized hub, I wouldn’t see this changing.

    • @pcpolice2518
      @pcpolice2518 3 роки тому

      idk High Rock to me seems like the least likely to ever be a democracy. Correct me if i'm wrong but royal families and kings and queens rule absolute in High Rock. It's based upon medieval england where everyone served the kings court. Idk I haven't spent much time learning about High Rock politics so I could be wrong but from first glance it doesn't seem very democratic at all.

    • @rezahydra
      @rezahydra 3 роки тому

      @@pcpolice2518 You’re right and wrong. It’s basically a bunch of independent kings and queens ruling over their territory, with an emphasis on them working all as a single nation. Imagine the US government but with royalty instead of state heads and only having a house for those in that royalty to get out any disputes or changes. Again, the example of a more “United Duchy” fits them best. And that isn’t something that I could ever see becoming more democratic.

  • @1337w0n
    @1337w0n 2 роки тому

    My working definition is democracy is, in the context of a nation: a nation where the government is controlled by its own citizens.

  • @mr.lordcat9387
    @mr.lordcat9387 6 років тому +9

    Why is there an eagle in the thumbnail.

    • @LethargicGM
      @LethargicGM 6 років тому +16

      because 'Merica!

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +15

      BECAUSE FREEDOM! DEMOCRACY! AND CAPITALISM!

    • @LethargicGM
      @LethargicGM 6 років тому +4

      Amanda G Don't forget deep fried food, and guns! Lots and lots of freedom canons!

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +1

      good point

    • @azoz-so5qr
      @azoz-so5qr 6 років тому

      fake tits, mcdonalds, freedom,capitalism,democracy and just to sum everything else up 'murica fuck yeah

  • @shakybill3
    @shakybill3 6 років тому

    Your ass making me laugh in the first 2 seconds of every fucking video with that "Hello Yoo-doo" !!!

  • @mad_mex0148
    @mad_mex0148 6 років тому +2

    maybe rieklings got democracy?

    • @LeviathanSpeaks1469
      @LeviathanSpeaks1469 2 роки тому

      It’s pretty much like the Orc Strongholds. Dude strong enough to kill the chief becomes the new chief. We saw that in the Thirsk Mead Hall quest if you side with the Rieklings.

  • @thomasnesmith5426
    @thomasnesmith5426 3 роки тому

    TLDR: If the people didn't pick the leader, its not a democracy. Ruling councils are aristocracies. Kingdoms are feudalism. Empires are... imperial feudalism. It doesn't matter if at upper levels there is voting between government officials. If not everyone gets a vote, then it isn't proper democracy.
    No one in the history of Tamriel (as far as I now at the moment) held a single election anywhere in which the PEOPLE who live in the area got to vote on anyone in charge. A democracy necessitates that at some level (shady election rigging or bribes aside) requires that the population has some direct input in who runs the country through voting or some other system.
    Elder councils/ruling councils are not democracies no matter how you slice them. The people chosen were not publicly chosen by popular vote. If the people are not doing the choosing, then its not a democracy. The word democracy itself (demo-cracy) basically translates from greek as rule of the people (demo, like demography). Ruling councils are groups of aristocrats who are lead by an aristocrat and basically choose people to join that they like (other aristocrats). If it was a democracy they would be able to cast a vote each, but ultimately popular opinion has to do the choosing (i.e. everyone voted on who gets picked).

  • @sleepysartorialist
    @sleepysartorialist 6 років тому

    Great video, as usual, but can you PLEASE work on balancing the volume between the intro music and the rest of the video? Headphone hell.

  • @sulfuricacid951
    @sulfuricacid951 Рік тому

    Something something oil

  • @snorp5974
    @snorp5974 6 років тому +1

    Ben je toevallig Nederlands? De manier waarop je de K's en C's uitspreekt klinkt echt plat Brabants. Plus, dat plaatje van Rutte in de 2e Kamer! Kan bijna niet anders.

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge  6 років тому +1

      Haha ik ben wel Nederlands, maar zeker geen brabander. Iets noordelijker

  • @chaningdodson4245
    @chaningdodson4245 6 років тому +2

    An a video about current political situations!

  • @viniciusvyller9458
    @viniciusvyller9458 6 років тому +5

    It would destroy Tamriel as it destroyed our world...

  • @emilianoborro5
    @emilianoborro5 6 років тому +2

    No there can't be democracy on tamriel because there are no bald eagles

  • @evzenvarga9707
    @evzenvarga9707 6 років тому

    No one is stealing oil there so i think not.

  • @deadknight1402
    @deadknight1402 6 років тому

    My definition of democracy [which is admittedly rather hard and specific]; everyone is directly involved in the decision-making process, with a majority rule, for better or for worse.(Which also means that, under this definition, there is no such thing as a democratic government, but oh well, that's just how I define it.) Under my definition, then true democracy would be impossible to maintain over massive populations across vast distances, especially without anything like the internet, or some other form of near-instantaneous, long-distance communication.
    Time to apply to the Elder Scrolls systems.
    Yeah, under my definition, the Empire never really stood a chance. Between having an emperor, and a council of any sort, it was a predicted failure in democracy. Same with the Aldmeri Dominion.
    Skyrim was eliminated from the get-go. the Skaals are also eliminated despite being the most likely to have a democracy due to the small, highly concentrated population they have, as they have a chief after a fashion and two other leaders; a hunting leader and a shaman.
    High Rock and Hammerfell also stood no chance. Morrowind was the same situation.
    Black Marsh, as a collective, can't have a democracy, or at least it wouldn't end well, as communication through the quagmires and the swamps of Black Marsh would be far too slow and dangerous for an effective democracy. Therefore, only the small, individual tribes have any potential to be democracies.
    Again, my definition is rather rigid and necessitates only small , densely packed communities, or large communities with exceptionally fast and reliable communication networks.

    • @tjallingappelhof2055
      @tjallingappelhof2055 6 років тому +2

      Your definition of democracy actually has a special name: 'direct democracy'. The greeks of Athens has a direct democracy, for example.
      The other democracy, the one almost all countries use, is 'indirect democracy'.

  • @theteacrusaderofbritain6461
    @theteacrusaderofbritain6461 6 років тому +1

    Hey Zork!

  • @thelionkingisthebestmovie8808
    @thelionkingisthebestmovie8808 6 років тому

    19k Already

  • @zeveria7206
    @zeveria7206 5 років тому

    It's not possible for an empire. Communication between the continent needed for a democracy won't work. The only situation it could work is within a small community setting, but I doubt even a province could handle a democracy....or would want it. If a democracy were to work, they would need to rely on a form of magical communication and the community would need to be accepting of magic, which leaves Altmer, Dunmer, and Bretons as the most likely candidates. Except Altmer value blood supremecy, and Dunmer are a race of cutthroats who spit on equality and value personal power. As far as I can tell, Bretons are the only ones who stand a chance at forming one.

    • @zevaronxz7288
      @zevaronxz7288 4 роки тому +1

      republics (although not democractic by most standards) did exist in the middle ages

  • @Comicfield1
    @Comicfield1 Рік тому

    From my personal idea of a democracy, than yes, the Empire and Morrowind are both democracies, the Dominion is probably a One-Party State (Like the USSR or a certain German state from the 40s), it may or may not have a King or Queen. Argonia is elitist in nature, so that's a no, and Hammerfell and Skyrim are both Feudal in nature, so probably no.
    Who knows how it's ran on Akavir or other continents though, maybe somewhere on Akavir there's a democracy in your vision.

  • @zaidahram2018
    @zaidahram2018 6 років тому

    What does 'pure argonian' mean?

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge  6 років тому +1

      Not affected by other cultures, for example argonians that lived under imperial rule were not pure.
      Those that lived in the swamps away from the empire were pure
      *According to an-xileel
      At least that is what we can make up from the infernal city novel

  • @pontan8084
    @pontan8084 5 років тому

    Doesnt Morrowind have a monarch aswell?

  • @viveka2994
    @viveka2994 4 роки тому

    Well Democracy was only created by Athens and then improved upon by America by taking Roman republican systems and mashing it together with Athenian democracy.

    • @conservativeanprim8903
      @conservativeanprim8903 4 роки тому +1

      "Improved"

    • @viveka2994
      @viveka2994 4 роки тому

      @@conservativeanprim8903 yeah lol, it's not as bad as Athenian democracy, as all people can vote, mostly, while in Athens only men could, and they had to own slaves I believe, and servants couldn't vote.

  • @eduardolapenda7268
    @eduardolapenda7268 5 років тому

    Not in the Nazisset island

  • @seanbarry2074
    @seanbarry2074 6 років тому

    Is gay marriage possible in Tamerial ?

  • @Heie_
    @Heie_ 6 років тому +1

    First

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 6 років тому +1

      No one cares

    • @Heie_
      @Heie_ 6 років тому

      Y'all salty af 😂

  • @RealAugustusAutumn
    @RealAugustusAutumn 3 роки тому

    Ew, who even wants democracy in the real world?