J M There’s no need for me to tell you this, but I feel like an art professor would mean express yourself, bring out your true colors. For example, if you feel sad paint out your feelings by using different hues, and shades of blues.
But he's not expressing himself. He's obsessed with manga and characters created by other people. He doesn't have his own style because its all manga and anime. He has no originality. Go through deviantart. There's so many other "artists" that have his exact style.
J M Also, it doesn’t have to be necessarily about human emotions. When an art professor means freely expressing yourselves use different colors that gives a different mood to an art piece.
Valek28 But it's what he likes to draw! What is artistic about spraying random colous on a piece of paper? A dirty bathtub is considered art! Why the hell not this?
I find it weird how everything has to have a meaning. I like to do art for the only purpose of doing it. I like creating beautiful things that don't have to be reflections of childhood trauma
It's a defence mechanism because they don't have the skill to make beautiful things. They change the standards so that their mediocrity is now the ceiling. The Calling of Saint Matthew has been stupefying people for hundreds of years. Tracy Emin's unkempt bed is already kitschy crap after a few decades.
@@ichigo449 I just finished studying Caravaggio and I was really amazed at his talent. Until now, I never heard of Tracey Emin but I looked it up...there's no comparison. It's literal trash.
@@ichigo449 Also, in recent years I've noticed that a lot less people pay attention to art, and a lot less aesthetically pleasing art is produced. The value of these trash "art pieces" has skyrocketed, while traditional art is not valued as much
Your beautiful things HAVE a meaning. It’s just most professors only consider “meaning” what’s painful or sad or aggressive. It’s like they don’t believe humans are capable of happiness.
Exactly. Leave the commentary on the more theoretical classes like art history. Of course thanks to shit professors now we have horrible art the main purpose of it is mainly being used in money laundering schemes.
@@FernandaSomenauer Philosophy is rooted in unbiased ideas as it focuses on the study of knowledge and truth (amongst other things). I don't think opinionated art professors like Laovaan's would be suitable for that since they seem to jump to conclusions way too fast. It's not a good mindset for philosophy. My brother studies philosophy and I haven't taken it, but that's just what I gathered from him talking to me about his classes.
That modern art for you, all of it is hot garbage. They're people who think all art should be at the level of the lowest common denominator just because they themselves can't achieve excellence. If anyone is an imposter it's them. Your friend is an actual artist.
I think he meant saying you doing something else makes it sound like you are less serious which to be honest is true, if someone told you they were an artist and then immediately tell you they have a day job chances are you aren't gonna take them seriously as a successful artist. The professor was right.
That threw me off too. So having a day job makes you less of an artist? Having a back up plan is bad? So what makes you an artist? Starving in a shack on a lonely mountain?
It's oddly contradictory because they reject things that are too mainstream or pop-art but they enforce a compliance with a different standard that is mainstream in the "art world" that they are in. Conforming to non-conformity.
I agree. I don't paint, but I write, and when I'm just editing something to makes it more appealing for a certain audience outside of myself, it's a lot harder to stay motivated.
That is very fine, but you still haven't defined art nor what not is art... The pictogram of UA-cam also demanded to be made. It also speaks for itself... it might even be designed well, but it isn't art.
this statement is incomplete. Do what you like, but also stay grounded to reality and realise that having money may not be a driving force but is still needed to survive. So do another degree with a good job scope on the side.
@@photon2724 Just went to a big comic convention. A very famous artist told me his parents were supporting when he decided to be a comic artist, but suggested him to have a side job as well. So he started acting. You cannot tame an artistic mind with a mundane job. XD
@@Shendue If the artist got famous in the first place, i wouldn't doubt he was a bad creative person before he became a famous artist, but 99% of artist aren't good or lucky enough to get a creative job. Its cool that people succeed and hearing about their story is nice and all, but you don't hear the 1000's of people who fail to achieve....
Talented compare to who? To those who are not in the creative field? Why don't you measure him among his peers instead, this guy is not talented. He is the definition of mediocre.
im in art univ, well i had to climb walls of professors telling me wht i do isnt art . so they tried changing my style it was like locking me up in a cage and drowning it deeo down in the ocean so i cant escape. then someone came to my life like a light. he was a professor and he told me to submit to him the best work i could do with my style. and i did. to others' surprise my art got selected for annual exhibition and won an award . tht was a game changer for me . now i think i cannot change their heads but im trying make my mark, not with their words, but with my very own style.
And is there anything wrong with a professor wondering if a student can incorporate more blank space, even as an experiment? Or if a student can work on abstracting for the sake of stretching their boundaries and maybe opening up a new creative Avenue they hadn’t explored? Isn’t this what school is supposed to be about? It’s like look, if you sign up for opera school but refuse to sing any opera and instead bring Taylor swift, yeah maybe you’re in the wrong place.
@@bm4114 No but it’s wrong if it starts to become an argument over what’s considered art. It was never about the professor wanting his student to experiment. It was always about how the message was being delivered.
I feel lucky i had an amazing and supportive art teacher in high school now. He saw some of my 'manga' doodles and approached me about them. He was very embrassed and humble about it, as he noticed that in the past few years, a few of his students started to draw manga, but he never had an idea what kind of 'style' it was. So since i adored him and always asked for his opinions on them, he felt safe enough to ask about it, and we like, talked for the rest of the class about it, me ending up showing him some manga an anime, and he was simply baffled that a whole new 'style of art' went unnoticed by him. He was ADORABLE in the way how he handled it, actually ending up borrowing some manga from me, to study it and actually reading up about it. He wasnt a stuck up kind of prof, he was really really really open minded and generally was grateful that there is a popular thing drawing young people towards studying art. The whole man is just such a nice old prof, who actually left teaching at university becasue he too, felt restricted there. He is like a local celebrity in my town, but so kind, so positive and loving, and open about it. I actually think he is a TRUE artist because how he appreciates everything around him. P.S. he even drew me Sakura from Naruto, cause he knew i loved her a lot. P.S.2 I recently learned from a highschooler who i know thru anime, that he runs an art club at one of the local high schools, and like 75% of the students visiting the club are anime fans.
I remember once having a bitter art teacher who only liked abstract art. The faces of disgust she would make at anything recognizable on paper were quite something to behold. It really bummed me out at the time because I was actually hoping to learn to sketch and paint real things in that class, but instead I was forced to practically mass-produce a bunch of abstract crap I felt no joy or pride in, just to make her happy and get a passing grade. Looking back at it now, I realized that the reason she only wanted us to make abstract art was that she couldn't draw or paint worth a crap, so she couldn't teach us anything else.
PiranhaCupcake right! And now I have this problem, from 2/3 years ago (I mean school too) and when we have sketch what we told ... She didn't come to class, and want us to sing and dance ..I'm sad:( hueeee
PiranhaCupcake Yes,there are very much of them like that. They were all unsuccessful artists. Can art be self suficient? Could one be an artist if one doesnt sell his work?
We were supposed to make a piece that represented us and it was 40% of our grade. I made a very realistic piece and was told I was stiff and didn’t think about the piece at all. Someone drew a black page with white dots all over. They made some reason up and passed with flying colors. I was criticized for “lacking creativity” because of my art style.
Grace Stafford And you took that personaly? come on. it doesnt matter what they think. what matters is what you think. sell your art yourself. make money that way, develop your art yoursef. make money by givin private lessons in drawing. like old masters of music did. composition doesnt pay.
Even my 5th grade teacher was scared of me because I have "talent" He would always humiliate me in front of the whole class and would always give me B's when the rest of the class would receive A's
Any real teacher won't feel threatened by anyone. And by making life for you difficult is to see if you just are presenting some cunning copy work or if it is expressing yourself. As it is easy to copy and difficult to be your own person.
Once my art teacher told me that I'm not allowed to put manga style watercolor portraits in my portfolio for my final exams, because "manga art is just copying". No matter how clearly I explained that she is totally wrong about her statement, finally I had to alter my portfolio. An advice to anyone out here who want to improve their manga painting/drawing skills: don't waste your time with art schools and narrow minded art teachers :)
the same happened to me. i’m in 11th grade and my major subject is art. i had to show a portfolio for my entrance exam and i almost didn’t make it in because i drew a portrait of an asian person and the criticism was “it looks like manga, manga is just copying.”
"Manga art just COPieS itself." I'm sorry, did you forget the entire dark age period where all anyone did was paint pretty ladies that all have the exact same face???? YALL FORGET THE SHEER AMOUNT OF FRUITS IN BASKETS??!!! Humans COPY each other, its natural. Heck, some abstract artists copy other abstract artists.
Guys, you aren’t going to go the music conservatory to study Taylor swift. You go to a different place for that. Don’t go to the fancy culinary school to make chicken nuggets, even really good ones. You go somewhere else for that. If manga is your thing, then the fine art Academy will not be the place for that. Now the clever ones realize that skills learned outside of their main focus can be applied to their main focus. So just because your professor isn’t interested in developing your manga skill set doesn’t mean the things they have to teach can’t be useful to you, or help you grow and evolve. Anyway, education is wasted on the young.
@@bm4114 Neither it was a fine art academy ( just a graphic design course), nor I wanted to learn manga from those teachers. I just simply stated that there are so many misconceptions about manga in the art schools, that it's a waste of money to go to any art school if you specific art goal is to learn manga drawing only. Of course it's not your art school's responsibility to teach you manga techniques, but the lack of open mindedness in those schools is absolutely outrageous. Art is about freely express yourself, so a good teacher sould never restirct their student to only use a certain preferred style and avoid other art styles.
Dude. I study history. What u do. Which is portraits. Is something that would very much be considered art during time periods such as the hellinistic Greeks. Renaissance. Enlightenment era And even victorian. Because the importance of art back then wasn't expression or abstract like with the 60s. It was to capture beauty
I believe the most important thing in the greek era was to search for the perfect human figure in the image of the gods. The renaicance was more focussed on the study of realism and ever present religious themes. Enlightenment era actually is largely about self expression and political views, and the victorian era is about the idealisation of nobility and wealth. Ok to be fair, capturing beauty is something that is present troughout all of these themes, but there is always a question of what should be concidered beautifull and why
the absolute worst thing is that impressionism, something those art teachers like, and all derivatives and alikes were essentialy created in rebelion to a strict rules and one organisation of old farts deciding what is and is not art.... And now we have the same old farts making strict rules and deciding what is and is not art while they worship artist from a impressionism era that would tear them to shreds if they would still be alive and seeing what they do...
thats kind of the point tho, its been done, and done way better a million times by people for 100s of years. If you want to win masterchef by cooking the judges a bowl of pasta with tomato sauce... if thats not the best bowl of pasta ever made in the history of food you got no chance. You might go home that night and cook yourself a nice bowl of pasta, and really enjoy it, sure, so will the judges. But a bowl of basic pasta thats been cooked by everyone whos ever put pasta on a cooker is not going to win you an elite cookery competition. Were not talking about a short competition here, were talking about a multi year degree, and the art in this vid is the equiv of a bowl of pasta with tomato sauce. I like pasta too, but thats beside the point. leonardo davinci painted the mona lisa over 500 years ago, how does this pic of a girl stand up against that? think about it.
@@necaacen the problem with your comparison is that... Well lets say you would cook best bowl of pasta ever. Those judges, aka art teachers, would tell you that you HAVE TO make a salisbury stake, and dont dare make it your way you have to make it their way, no matter that they like it burned, its how you should cook... And then you go out of art school and the only thing you know is to how to burn salisbury stake and not only that but you hate it...
@@HidekiShinichi they might not be happy with the bowl of pasta ever, if it really was the best pasta ever to grace a bowl they MIGHT be ok with it. But yes, they might not. I dont think they want you to cook a steak and cook it their way, I think they want you to cook something interesting in a way they havent tasted a million and one times before by people whove done it better than you have. It may seem like theyre trying to get you to do something their way, but theyre not, they would only do that when theyre trying to teach you about doing a thing in a specific way, teaching you something any chef should know like how to cook a proper steak. When it comes to submitting your work tho what theyre looking for is something that they can identify as you, something with a signature to it that is unmistakably you, not something thats indistinguishable from a million people who are all doing the same done and dusted thing that has no distinctive personality. these people have seen a million portraits painted, theyve seen stuff like this... ua-cam.com/video/4Ib3Pfm1p5Q/v-deo.html and even something as exquisitely painted as this they have seen many many times. If you hand them this then ull get their respect, but they will still tell you to do something more interesting. If you hand them this watercolour of the girl in this vid... to them its not only uninteresting, it doesnt even get their respect for being an exquisite example of something uninteresting. To an uneducated eye it might look good, but these people have literally seen 1000s of examples of work 10x better that was painted 400 years ago. Theyre looking for something thats interesting and relevant in 2019, something painted by someone who knows their history and how to not repeat it, especially not repeat it with less skill than the originators.
So do I get this right? Art teacher complains that your Art seems like you drew it to appeal to someone else, THEN he proceeds to tell you what you should draw?
they kinda were. i mean, not hte perverted part. Though in the not lewd sense I do believe they had a perverted view on what art truly was. No matter how you slice it, Art is a form of expression. and there are just as many ways to make it as there are people. Just like people however, it all begins the same. With a thought, and a desire.
Calvin Barnes it's worse than that when they tell you "don't be a teacher it detracts from you being an artist" ~ you mean like them? The majority of teachers can only teach you the tools, they rarely themselves are successful as artists
A few weeks after my horse died of cancer, I received in the mail a small portrait of her, painted by someone working for my veterinarian. When I opened the package and saw my beloved horse, I wept. I felt the love of the artist, who cared about my horse and about my loss. I felt gratitude for having once had such a wonderful horse. It was a beautiful, bittersweet moment, one that I re-experience every time I look at the little painting. This little work will never hang in a big important gallery or sell for a lot of money, but that does not matter at all. It shows the true beauty of its creator's heart; it shows the beauty of the Creator, who is love itself. This is the true definition of art -- that it comes from the heart, that it shows truth, that it comes from love, even if it depicts a difficult issue. Therefore, Laovaan, continue to do your art. Don't worry too much about your professors. Do think about touching peoples' hearts and minds. To do this, work from your own heart. Work with love. Anytime you do this, you make art. When you bring love, joy, a feeling of peace and beauty, or a sense of truth to other people, you know that you are successful.
Amanda Adkisson Reading your comment filled me with bitter sweet feelings. It was so nice, it would be amazing if the artist knows how much his artwork have an impact on a person
Personalized pieces such as the one you had created for your beloved horse are what I love doing the most. A lot of professors would look at my work and exclaim that it is not truly art, but it is the opinion of the person I made the piece for that truly matters. I have had several clients cry upon the reveal and that makes it all worth it to me. I know that my pieces may never make it to a museum but they are proudly hanging in someone's home and brought them joy.
Amanda Adkisson , that has got to have been the most beautiful speech I have ever read in a UA-cam comment! I was touched by how well said it was!! Also, my condolences to you about your horse... 😢 Horses are amazing creatures. Just, absolutely amazing.
Art is subjective. Art is a relationship between the artist and the consumer, to illicit a visceral response. The professors have over intelctualized the process. Honestly, what do they know?
That's the reason why I left Fine Arts school... So much bullshit. Like one day we had to draw the same statue with a specific pencil. One of my friend was skipping classes that day, so he asked our other friend to borrow his drawing for evaluation... You know what happened? With the exactly same drawing, he got better marks. To me it appeared that the teachers will also judge your art based on what you look like, how they feel about you. And that was one story among many others... No freedom either... So many rules to follow to please them... Did not feel like I was truly expressing myself
@ThiccHicc Bullshit! They actually have skill (it might need refining, but it's not like total novices attend art-school normally) but art-teachers tell them "TO HELL WITH SKILL, we'll teach you to sell bullshit for top dollar! We don't want your skill, come on bullshit is soooooo much better (and easier to make!)"
@ThiccHicc He literally said that his friend used his other friend's drawing for the evaluation. It was the EXACT same drawing but one got better marks.
I had a conversation with my mother when I was a child I said "anyone could do this it's really not that good" she just simply replied "but you are the one that's doing it if you didn't then nobody else might" to this day those words sunk in deeply I love my mom as deeply as those words.
She (6 years old-ish) probably got her drawing complimented by her mom then got skeptic and decided to critcise her art to see if her mom would still love it. Her mother then told her "" which is the reason why she likes it, the end. I guess
my painting professor once was talking about how parents would go to her and say 'all my child draws is anime' and she said she responded with 'so? let them draw anime. art is about passion and individual meaning' she encourages us to to find our own styles and be our own artist while also teaching us basic principals and getting us in touch with the old masters
it may be an anime/manga style, but every manga artist still has a different style, like a handwriting is unique to every person whilst we all learn to write the letters the same way
You are missing the point. That is exactly something those professors would say is art. With debate and discussion but they would say it's art. (Partly because it is.) But I am mostly surprised by this story. I went to one of the top fine art schools in the US and that is something none of my professors would ever say. They wouldn't ever say "this isn't art" because they know what defines capital 'A' Art, is constantly changing and is almost even our job as artist to push it in a new direction. But that's what those professors wanted. They wanted something that both referenced the last 150 years of art history while not looking like any of the art styles from the last 150 years of art. They 100% wanted a banana on a wall. But that also doesn't make them right, that doesn't mean they have good taste or bad taste. Honestly it mostly seems like they have a really bad teaching style, especially for art. In the defense of the banana tape to the wall may I direct you to Art from about 100 years ago . "Fountain" by Marcel Duchamp, a urinal on a pedestal signed. The surrealist then do lots of other found art sculptures. This banana's sculptural style has been around for a hundred years, not just something we see as art in 2019.
Mackayla Cook I have personally been kicked out of a class in college because of ideological differences between me and the professor. I was not rude and I was not interrupting. I was simply asking questions that could not be answered in their ideological framework and they kicked me out for it.
This is the one thing I hate about art...I’m studying art and I love realism. My teachers want me to go abstract, but abstract art doesn’t interest me or stimulate my feelings in any way (although some abstract art is interesting and it really depends on personal preference). People try too hard to convey a deep message, whilst not caring about making a pretty picture or really that much about the message itself, only that there is one. I often had to force projects and pretend that I liked the artists my teachers would assign to me. The subject of Art is no longer about expressing your own personal preference, and that makes me really sad...
I'm sorry to hear you had to force projects. But I do somewhat agree with the "professor's", just making a pretty picture doesn't make substantial art. An artwork needs to carry depth and feeling to stand out from the endless ocean of shallow works that we are made every day. I won't say that pretty pictures aren't art, the dilemma is just that when making a picture with only an esthetical appease it doesnt reflect the creator or his intricate mindset, leaving the painting to be just that: a painting. Especially with the introduction of the camera the function of capturing reality in a realistic manner is no longer a niche of the art world, so art schools want you to create your artistic style that sepperates you from anyone that knows how to work photoshop.
Floris Bakker oh no I completely agree with you! Of course a pretty picture is not all that matters in art...It should be a reflection of you and your subject, and should express or evoke some feeling! I guess I just don’t like people forcing messages onto art and making them seem deeper than what they had really intended? (I’m not sure if that makes sense’:) Also, professors can be very hypocritical in their approach to your art... I have two art teachers and they both always oppose each others views. One teacher loves and supports my project, and the other hates it🤷♀️ Art is in the eye of the beholder, but it doesn’t seem fair to judge projects like that...
@@dapromasta That's the problem to me: EVERY painting is just a painting, regardless of how intricate or creative or original it is. In the end it's purely a matter of opinion. It is for the public to decide if something stands out or not.
I remembered when i was in studying in art school, there was a sculpting class. The assignment was to make a humanoid sculpture out of resin and fiber glass. I remembered that i thought to myself "what does this art professors goin to like" instead of making what i wanted to make. So i made a pregnant woman sculpture with missing limbs cuz why not, then made up a bs about how it represents life itself or whatever. The professor like it, gave me a decent grade. But in hindsight, what was the point of art if its only to fit in a box those art professor hold onto.
Absolutely all of school is fitting into boxes for professors….that’s literally the point. When one is a student they forget that this professor isn’t going to be grading their work for the rest of their life. It’s just a hurdle you are passing. You will be free to do what you want your whole life. The professor is there to offer what they have. You don’t have to like it, you can be bitter about it, you won’t be the first and you won’t be the last. You’re just the next. There’s a reason for the saying “education is wasted on the young.”
If you think about it if anyone can draw like this then anyone can create those abstract pictures too becasue all you have to do is to learn the technique and then show some of your thought and etc - since we all can learn and all of us can think anyone can become artist. But the point is that not everyone is willing to and that's why comment "Anybody can do that" is always true or always false depends if you look at possibility or already exsisting situation... anyone get what I'm trying to say? ;u; doesn't change the fact that Laovaan's work is amazing and generally speaking most of the people don't have skills to draw like this.
1) a designers don't even sew , tailors does that. 2)www.pinterest.com/pin/461196818070122634/ and there are plenty of pages like that one 3) sorry if there are any writing mistakes ,I'm italian
You should have attended a school with illustration major, they would have pushed you in the direction you want, if your school is pure fine art then it's all about what's considered "high art" or gallery pieces.
We live in an ugly and often sordid world, but not all is ugly, so I prefer to buy or paint beautiful things, landscapes, people, I prefer realism to abstract, so I paint or draw people realistically, my landscapes look like real places. If that is not considered art, too bad, that is what satisfies my soul. I like this painting of yours very much , the colours are lovely and it IS pretty, but in my eyes that is not a bad thing.
Hey hey hey buddy. Im sorry nobody has let you into this. But. Why don't u literally google something pretty. Or use this device call a camera. Sorry u spent all those hours sitting there when u could've gotten the same thing (probably better quality) in one second.
@@quackyduck5570 first of all, a painting is much more personnal than a photograph. When you see a painting you can see every brush stroke and avery hours that the artist has poured into it. And creating something beautiful by your own hands is much more satisfying than just looking at a beautiful picture. For exemple I'm absolutely shit at drawing, but I've been trying to get better and even though none of my drawings could be considered pretty, I still find some of them very nice just because I made them my self and I've surpassed myself.
@@quackyduck5570 you sound like what I meant when I said an ugly and sordid world, oh and by the way I am also a pretty experienced amateur photographer. I got into photography when I first started painting in watercolours (how I started with painting), I wanted to paint landscapes and architecture from my own photos and experiences and I have achieved some recognition.
"Ugly and sordid" take a pic pro it'll last longer. You shouldn't be talking at all in the first place, cuz we are rwplying to *your* comment. Dont add a very opinionated comment and expect that no one is allowed to argue their view. Your not the king or something. If you want something personal why don't you express yourself on canvas instead of literally copying. This isnt truly "personal" since you aren't putting any of your own personal and complex human thought into it, you are just copying. This doesnt serve a function except the way it looks. It stops right at "oh. Its *insert a thing*. Great okay why do i gaf it has nothing special or any emotion i'll just google it when i get home." That's the same thing as a picture. Its really superficial to praise something based on looks. And many abstract arts are heavily based on "strokes and texture". It just doesn't look like anything recognizable and you are just too ignorant to at least try looking at the meaning it's trying to convey instead of dismissing it. One reason they remove all recognizable form: to isolate their personal experience and meaning, it can be quite beautiful, in looks and emotion. So if your so hung up on "personal" and pretty things stop attacking modern art and stay in your lane so you don't encounter more "sordid" places your majesty.
It’s weird that they can’t really say it’s “bad art” so they’re just saying it’s not art at all. It sounds like the art you’re making just isn’t the art they’re teaching. It just depends on what your goals are and what you want to learn.
I had almost the exact same experience at art university here in the United States. Beautiful was a dirty word, illustrative was too. I learned quickly freshman year that the art I was doing wasn't acceptable and started making abstract BS for most of my classes. Then junior year I got sick of it and started painting what I wanted to paint : beautiful woman with flowers and fairy dust. It was not taken well... I was told that my art wasn't relevant and that instead of painting my version of Shakespeare's Ophelia I should try a more modern interpretation. It was around the time of Micheal Jackson's death and my teacher said why don't I try painting Micheal as Ophelia... 😑 I tried my best to stick to my guns and my grades suffered for it. Well now I'm about 5 years out and the only person I know from my year who is still regularly making art and making a living from it. My jewelry was also bashed in the jewelry courses I took there and now my jewelry makes up half of my income. My advice to young artists is to really investigate the schools you are interested in. What kind of work are their students doing, what do you see in the school galleries and what are their alumni doing? If you paint in a realistic manner and are looking to grow and increase your skills and technique, understand that the majority of art school professors are not going to be able to help you. Skill, technique, and rendering ability is not valued at these schools. It's all about concept and political and social statements. Do your research before giving your money away. Don't make the same mistake I did. I guess it's nice to have a bachelor degree but I would have much rather enjoyed studying history (my other passion) over spending 4 years of my life feeling ashamed of my art.
Kamille I was just checking out your work and you got nice stuff there! Regarding your comment I wanted to point out 2 things: First, I understand your point when you say you are the only one from your class that continues making art and actually making a good profit from it. But remember, the fact that it sells doesn't necessarily means that it's good art, not even that it's art. An example I always say when discussing this (as a film student that I am) is the fast and furious series: A HUGE comercial success but just cheap entertainment taken to the big screen: Plain characters, empty and irrelevant dialogs, cliche situations etc. People go to the movie theater, have somewhat of a good time and forget about the movie after watching it for the rest of their lives (they consume the product and then they throw it away ). Art, in any of its forms, always trascends in time and moves something inside the person that appreciate it. My second comment is that one of the problems(and I think this is where the dogmatic point of view of profs rejecting this kind of art comes from) with this kind of "beautiful/pretty" illustrations is that they tend to be just that, pretty. So you look at the pic, say wow, this dude has some skills, beautiful drawing, and then just move on (something like what happens with fast & furious, but with the difference that making this illustrations actually requires some serious skills). The picture doesn't tell you something or convey a particular feeling, doesn't tell you a story nor recreates a concept, it isn't shocking nor overwhelming. It's empty, and that might even make it kind of boring. The thing Is that profs where kind of douches for just telling him that his work isn't art. Because it might perfectly be. They should instead advice him to continue with his style but trying to add some depth to his artwork, or something like that. Anyway, that's just my point of view that art most have a meaning and convey emotions in the public at the same time, but I might be completely wrong so who knows? Everybody should just continue doing their art
Well art is freedom.. STUDING and classes are not. When youa re in a class you need to udnerstand all classes of any subject are within a boundary. Imagine you were in a classic music class and you appear with a completely different genre of music? You need a VERY VERY good reasoning to not be under critic.
Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I went to school for art as well. I found that when I did things I liked - detailed and exciting to my mind, I was derided as a hack. I was told by my pottery instructor, that my cat creamer was so beautiful that it would fit right in at the Franklin Mint (i.e. commercial garbage). When I did my relief sculpture for sculpture classes, I was told that it wasn't free enough and was far too constrained. When I did my drawings for drawing class, I was told that I wasn't loose enough and it looked forced. I became so irritated, I thought of bringing in garbage off the street and gluing it down onto a piece of cardboard "as a thought on the Americanized food and waste culture." So I talked to my sculpture prof about it and do you know what he said? "I think that's a great idea!" That was when my heart bottomed out and my passion for art school left. It took me YEARS to understand that art isn't what these people say it is... it's EXACTLY what you said in the video... it is when someone considers it to be art. What you are doing is BEAUTIFUL and if any of these people tell you it's not art, you can tell them to shove it (very politely of course) because guess what? It may not be some multi-million dollar selling painting that looks like you flung paint everywhere and somehow you get worshippers (yes, I'm talking about Pollock), but you can get hired doing animation for a studio. You can get hired drawing manga for the THOUSANDS of people who love it. You can get hired doing comic books. You can get hired doing concept art for video games, automobile manufacturers... in other words... ***you can make money before you die doing the very thing that makes your heart happy and that you love to do.*** They folded me for a long time and broke my spirit 20 years ago. Don't let them do it to you. Keep doing what you love. There IS a market for it, it IS art, and NO... not everyone can do what you do. One of the funniest things I ever heard during the time I earned my eventual degree in English was, "People only become critics because they can't make the art." Every time I hear one of these professors snapping a spirit in half, I simply think to myself... "And that, my friend, is why you are teaching and not riding high on top of the art world... if you were a screaming success... you wouldn't be here."
Madamegato, it broke my heart when I read they affected "your spirit" and took you years to know it had NOTHING to do with your talent, creativity and potential!! You are correct, dear!! How do I know?? I taught and fought with these type of "so called" teachers nearly 40 years. Heres what I know. True. Teaching ONLY because they are "wanna be" artists. If hey had talent they lacked courage to "put themselves out there". They aren't "called" to teaching, to help others, to acknowledge/thrilled that some students will exceed them!! Oh, NO..my belief...this so called "teaching" (i.e. criticizing creative young artist) feeds their perverted egos which enable them to rationalize their fear, their lack of courage, creativity, and love of people, love of Art.. Ive witnessed these teachers gathering together to defend their "critical eye", put down those who will excel above their abilities, knowledge and justify/rationalize doing so.. They lie to each other/to themselves while doing the COMPLETE opposite of TRUE Instructor.. First clue you're teacher is "a fraud"?? You begin by losing confidence, you doubt what you KNOW is good, is talent, is uniquely yours! Finally, they break your spirit, your confidence! I'm so sorry. I'm VERY proud that you did eventually understand! Some never will... It's criminal in my opinion. It's one of the worst sin against people... When will we quit hiring people who are not teachers?? Sadly majority are like yours...
😒 *So much YES! I had the same experience with my first art professor. Shape, texture, line, color, etc., was all there and yet her response was a deep sigh and then "Does this **_move_** you?".* 😐 *I quickly got fed up and went rogue. My highest scored work? An abstract painted in ink of a photo taken of a bucket full of aborted fetuses in the hallway of an abortion clinic. It was featured in the student art gallery that semester and I was praised by said professor when a few parents complained about it because, as she had said, "it **_moved_** them to speak" and apparently that is what art is supposed to do. (Shock and appall people?) 🤦🏻♀️ Smh...*
Some artists do use shock/sensationalism as a way to generate interest in their work. I'm sorry you had to do that but you just showed them that it's not harder or better to do something that your teachers approve! :) So now you can just say that was easy and walk away to do what you want :)
Bitter stories about art professors are as common as these days as pretty soft watercolors of aesthetic girls with no expression. Don’t go to opera school if you want to sing Taylor swift.
@@geet6797 He's clearly not, he's saying these pretentious hack art teachers are opera to her taylor swift. And apparently pretty soft watercolors and aesthetics are bad, so he's one of those idiots who think ugliness is the ideal. I imagine he likes period blood smeered about on canvas or something.
When I started to study art, I did everything they wanted. But I stopped drawing on my free time. The reason why? The competitive and envious enviroment with classmates, the requirement to change what I liked and turn it into what professor approved. Results? I felt very depressed, I didn't enjoy drawing anymore, every line I drew was surrounded by negative criticism. It took me 2 years after I've finished to start drawing and painting again. Art must imply love. Market it's never about love, is about money. I recovered, I became a better artist and I enjoy drawing again, but not thanks to those teachers or their ungly stardards.
Exactly. Criticism should be done with careful consideration. Otherwise you could discourage a person from doing something. From the few years i did art, one thing i learned is that you can be easily discouraged if you're stuck in a class with a teacher who has the wrong approach.
Criticism that leads to discourage AND actual discouragement are what makes me useless right now, no skill whatsoever, and I'm not just talking about art.
I feel you!! There was these people in my secondary days who told me I can’t draw this and those and that I cannot and should not draw or present that artwork because they don’t understand it. Hence, i stopped practicing. But now, in 2018, I’m trying to get back....
@@bm4114 I love how you just use that phrase verbatim across multiple comments as if it makes you superior to those rightfully pointing out an issue in overly intellectualising art (this is coming from someone that is into all sorts of art, particularly dadaism). No one is arguing school isn't that way in general but that plays into the broader topic of the problem with school/academia in our capitalist society. You are part of society and are no better nor worse than the people complaining about issues in academia such as this, education is not wasted on the young, absolute trite. Perhaps get another stock phrase that you can regurgitate like an npc or maybe be more original than bootlicking the broken education system.
I am no artist, but the way I see it - every artist has his own ideas, style and ways to express their art. Duty of universities is to teach a wide range of means of how this could be done. And by no means this should be focused on one kind of "type" of true art. Students should be encouraged to pick their own form of expression and as well as market where they are looking to work with.
Totally agree- that would be an ideal school! I also notice that not only do trends but change over time, but different countries can have different approaches too (I guess the environment and society has a big impact despite more globalisation) - I noticed big differences between general perceptions about what looks pleasant in Europe, NZ and Japan. I love his definition that art is art if you define it as art :)
This is 👏👏👏 Academically, the courses in college & university attempted to produce a wide range of artists, & while it's hard to become an extremely unique individualistic artist like Picasso & Da Vinci, their objective to produce artists with such value still stands. And that's what university is for, to bring that value up, so it is for the artist to find one unique trait that becomes one's special trademark, like Picasso did for instance.
This just makes me want to be an art teacher and actually encourage my students about their passion.I wanna be the one that won’t try to force everyone.I wanna be a good example.I want to show them that its okay to be yourself.I want to make a good impact on their art career.
I have endorsement and MA but most art teachers teach 30 minutes each class to k - 12 to a small set of standards. I have seen good art teachers in schools but I feel conventional schools are too restricting. There are many people taking off teaching unconventional art who are self taught. Why did I spend all that money?
@@rachelt1530 This is a point I just made on this thread. How do you feel the professor ruined things for you? I'm very interested in this as I'm a high school art teacher.
If you're doing FINE ART, then teachers will have a beef with something like this. This is more in line with ILLUSTRATION. That is, you use your skill / talent to produce a specific piece of art from a brief or a set description, something that might serve a purpose commercially or express a specific message. Fine artists, especially uppity ones, HATE illustrators. They call us "colouring in technicians". When I was at Uni, the Fine Art teachers actually told me to leave and go take illustration instead, as it more suited my style. Best advice I ever got. At the end of the day, each to their own. But as far as "colouring in technicians" went, all I know is that in the life room, I used to draw super accurate and realistic pictures of the model in all poses in 20-25 minutes, while the "fine art" students struggled to even make their sketch look human, and i embarrassed even the fine art teachers in most life class sessions. Don't take it to heart. Just draw / paint what you are interested in and if it makes people happy, then it's a bonus. Concentrate on developing your skill. It will all come right in the end.
Exactly this, I wanted to go for Illustration as my work was more in line with that style but decided to try Fine Art instead, which was mostly just talk and no walk considering techniques, shading or colour schemes. It was a loss of tuition money.
TheVanillatech your realistic sketches have no value in the art world. This is something I learnt when I was 13. Realism and realistic and beautiful sketches can be done by MILLIONS of people. Concepts, ideas and stories on the other hand can not be done by many people. Instead of being bitter about the fact that you’re basically a glorified photocopier, maybe try to develop Creative thinking.
@@sv4773 Learned* Now lets debate. Actually, I consider myself an averagely good artist. In my lifetime of 30 years I have met a few dozen people (and I mean met in real life...) who could match or exceed my drawing. I put it to you that I could absolutely DESTROY almost everyone you ever met (not know, but MET ... one time) in terms of rendering a realistic drawing of anything. Of course I could. You say millions of people can do it? I say how many do you know? I was the second best artist at my school of 900 children. Since then, due to the best drawer taking a different career path, I am now easily the best. It is a rare talent. Any idiot can spew lines and colour on a canvas, my 7 year old could do it when she was 3. Any idiot can learn to click on the right buttons on a computer program to apply filters. Can they draw? Do they understand line? Of course not. So please, rest yourself. Talent and hard work. Chopping onions. Thats the only way. Just to think though, imagine how amazing I could be if I used the cheats too? XD But I don't have to. If I did, would that make me a "better" artist? Or someone who could draw AND click buttons..... By the way, I have been illustrating childrens books for 11 years now. Maybe one day when your kids come to reading age, they'll be illuminated by those images. Cheers son! Keep practicing. It's the only way forward! XD Or just ... keep splatting that paint. Maybe one day you'll splat it in a pleasing way! XD hmmmm
I like what Oscar Wilde says about art in The Picture of Dorian Gray: "We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless." Oscar Wilde is a writer, but he recognizes that art is 'useless'. This is not a bad thing--it means art is meant to be admired. He was part of the aesthetic movement and believed that it is good to admire things for their aesthetic beauty. Your art is very beautiful. I am sure Oscar Wilde would agree. :)
I failed an art class in high school because I dont like being told what to draw or paint. I just cant create something if I dont want to. So I did my own things. Eventually and surprisingly she started grading me off of what I'd do and ended up acing.
Gh0st Chili my art teacher last year has this thing we’d do in the mornings where she’d put up an idea or word and we had to draw, paint, sketch or doodle what it meant to us or as a whole
I've had a teacher in high school that said manga was not art, that I should stick to drawing haida art. why? because I am haida. I gave up learning the way of haida art and put all my work into manga. 28 years old now and I found love in both, all cause a man told me that no matter what I draw that is haida art(cause it's drawn by a haida). I started to learn on how to create haida art, but mix with manga.
God, it felt good to listen another person talking about it! I had almost the same experience, but with literature, and I’m Brazilian. I feel like, despite what professors claim, their vision of what is Art (or Literature) is still very limited by what is on trend. Nowadays, the trend is inquisitive Art, critical Art, disturbing Art, aggressive, violent Art. They’re trying to negate what has been done in past centuries, when Art was made to enchant, to marvel, to be breathtakingly beautiful. So now they automatically reject anything and everything that’s easy to like, easy to understand. To be considered realist, Literature now has to agree with all those nihilist philosophers. To be considered valuable, visual art must be ininteligible to common people. They’re wrong. Happiness exists, hope exists, beauty exists, Good still exists on this world. Happy Art, beautiful Art, hopeful Art, calm, soothing Art is still Art. There’s SO MUCH emotion in your paintings! The fact that they couldn’t see all the feelings and personality you put in your work is just disgusting. Your professors are DEAD WRONG, and future generations will see that, one day.
When my aunt was in high school, she took art class. She would work her ass off on her paintings and pictures, yet none of them were to the liking of her teacher. "Put more personality" "use more colour" "be abstract" etc. etc. Well, there came this one piece of work that she absolutely poured her heart into; she worked on it for days and probably weeks. And she was so, so proud. When she turned it in, the teacher did something to it (I don't quite remember), I think she wrote on it or something, ON THE PIECE ITSELF, telling her some bullshit like to use more colours and and shit. Obviously, my aunt was FURIOUS. But she just went to the back of the classroom and spent probably 5 to 10 minutes working (bullshitting) on this bright ass rainbow flower. She turned it in--got an A+ on it.
Rayann Midkiff holy shit So i had an english class once and we were doing a unit of "advanced poetry" where we had to write a long poem that told a story but did it in such a way that it wasnt a story. We were asked to illustrate a scene from our poem and I spent weeks writing it and I did a water color piece of Alice and the Cheshire Cat since my poem was about their relationship and my interpretation of what it could have been and was. in bold red sharpie my teacher wrote Good Job in the smack dab middle of the painting
Ugh yeah teachers are like that 😑 once, near the end of the school year, my Language Arts teacher gave us a project involving art. I had spent so much time on this realistic drawing of a cat since it relates to the book but the teacher only gave me a B- because it "looked like it didn't take much effort and wasn't colorful enough" while my friend pretty much bullshitted their project but got a 100% 😑 you just gotta be able to appreciate ourself and try not let other's evaluations get you down even if they're really pissing you off 😬
I had the same experience in Art class. It's all on what bullshit back story is associated with the piece from my experience. That's when a Highschool teacher sees value in your work.
Profesors cannot judge what is and what isnt art. Many of them are frustrated unsuccessful artists themselves. But success alone cannot define anything also.
Low Key What else? But the worst kind of them all are critics and theoreticians. 90% of them are unsuccessful artists also. They suck the blood of true artists. Majority of them.
@@MyChristi123 Say whatever you want but most of the art teachers have better understanding of fundamentals and these things never change. Teachers shove fundamentals in the face and if you dont learn them you will get where you want to be slower. I agree they shouldn't tell people what is art but saying someone is jealous of you because they don't think the way you do is stupid. Sry for my english, Im pretty bad 😅
The method you mention your teachers trying is "breaking the will". They want you to temporarily stop your usual style so they can teach you other methods/styles. There was one kid in our illustration class that had a distinct style. Our teacher finally had enough and shouted "Do you plan to work in this industry because if you do, you must become flexible!" The kid argued back but the instructor then snapped "if you are so in love with your style, then why are you in my class?". The kid dropped the instructor's class. I hate to say it but it was then the harshness that my style was met with made sense. My instructors wanted us to understand realism before going into something stylized...and it really helped my style to learn anatomy and proportions and shading. But I didn't always agree with their method...like my watercolor instructor painted landscapes with his paint as thick as mud (which i felt defeated the purpose of using watercolors. His style was more appropriate for acrylic, oil, or gouache) and he hated that i painted soft watercolor portraits. I simply ate the grade on that class. Other classes, i fought like hell to "get"/"understand" the assignments. I think your instructors are just trying to break your style out of you so they can teach you other styles/techniques. Or trying to weed you out- can you take the criticism? The art world is full of critics. It happens in other school departments like pre-med. Not everyone has the strength or focus to be a doctor so they start weeding them out early. Also the sciences, it's usually organic chemistry that weeds out the"weak". If you know for certain you want an art degree, be prepared for lessons that contradict your sense of "art" and know you can always go back to your style :) there was a huge conflict of what was art in my art school. If it was emotional, messy, painted or drawn it was "art" and belonged on the 3rd floor. If it was tightly drawn or digitally enhanced, like your work, that was the illustrators on the 2nd floor. They didn't do art, they did "illustrations". A few of us were between floors but that was the tradition. So it could be your instructors are trying to break you into one school of art or another. Personally i find your work gorgeous and "what is art?" Does indeed change over time and fads. I hope you are getting the praise you deserve!
Hearing that part about the professor using watercolor thickly killed my soul. I love watercolor for the exact reason that it is thin like water, and just a drop of paint goes a long way. I can't imagine anyone using the medium like acrylics or oils ('cept for James Gurney, he uses watercolor with gouache like gouache).
This comment is the tea. Countless students completely miss the point of education this is why they say education is wasted on the young. So busy trying to rebel that they forget to grow. School isn’t forever, take what you can, and move on. All I know is that I’ve met some pretty bitter folks who are in their forties and still mad that their professor wouldn’t let them draw in more pop styles, it’s sad.
I have never understood why art is considered academic and could possibly fit into a structured model... art history is understandably academic. Painting and drawing can only really be taught to develope basic technique, and anything further often takes years of unlearning untill the person finds their own style.
I studied photography at a private art school. I always got on well with most of my teachers and the faculty. However, my work was highly criticized by quite a few of my fellow students and classroom critiques could be difficult, specifically in one particular class where both the professor and the students didn't like my work. I was highly encouraged to not photograph people, although my main focus in photography was portraiture. Every week I had to hear how my work was mediocre at best and that I was lacking in talent. But I knew that portraiture was my passion and I took all critique with a grain of salt. Eventually, due to other reasons, I dropped out of the school but found myself with a portfolio I felt strongly about and ended up working with some of the best and most influential modeling agencies in the world. I believe art to be a free world of opinion, your work can be loved, hated, and even ignored. However, we are all capable of forging our own path, in spite of the negative views of the professionals/critics. Stay true to your creative voice and you'll find your place in the art world and feel fulfilled. And by the way, the work you showed in this video was beautiful.
I finished a BA in Photography and received similar feedback. Except i took my lecturer's feedback on or at least I should have in one case.. For my end of year project, as most of my projects were. Documentary or reportage. And my lecturers kept saying "take people's portraits.." and i kept fooling myself into thinking "i don't need this.. I'm documenting the area, and the architecture." when it came to the end of the project. Even though the project was fine.. It was lacking the portaits. They knew it, and I knew it.. I think, even though you seem to have done well and that.. I think you should maybe take more advise like the advise given to you, even though it disagrees with you. Its like the next project i have planned is a very very fine art, studio based, and high concept. And completely different to anything i've ever done before. And i'm going to document it, and really ask for feedback. As again. A new style of photography, and asking for feedback. Both of those things will really put me out of my comfort zone. I must cross the rubicon on this one.
OMG this is stunning ART :D But I agree, "art is in the eye of the beholder". I hade a similar problem in a photo class, my photos wouldn't be considered art, because I quote my teacher "You are not a known artist and I hade no meaning behind my picture" I always thought of that as funny, because I spent every class explaining the meaning behind the photo, on a deeper level :P
to all the other artists out there reading this: Never, and I mean NEVER give up on your art. Your personality, dreams, ideas are all portrayed by your creations, and for someone to tell you that's not good enough- who are they to say that? You bring into this world what you like. What you are. Who you are. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise 💙
thank you. I'm still learning how to draw/paint stuff other than hearts and roses.......... oh, and animals to a certain point. - all I can do well. - ........... doesn't help that I'm self-learning and not in art school. ^^;
Ugh this really bugs me because In my opinion, art is an expression; there is no right or wrong, as there will always be time to learn and improve. After all, art is not about what other people want, it is simply the creation of something that formed from a thought, idea or picture you had in mind.
Iolanthe Komorebi exactly... there was a one time where I painted something, my teacher said she couldn't understand my art and I thought to myself. 'It's not about the simplest objects or to make out what you draw, it's about the passion that radiates and brings your art piece to a better perspective."
I went to a joint arts and technology high school so of course, If u were an art student, you learned different movements of art and ish like that. I'm telling you, those art kids were a little bit stuck up to judge on what was or wasn't art. Anime for example, wasn't art to them. Shame on them, I thought art was suppose to be about expression; creativity!
Art is anything which evokes an emotion in the viewer. Be it negative or positive, it stirred something deep down in another person. That is ART. Every artist dreads his production being seen as neutral, for it has neither a neg or pos upon the viewer
Your are your own Market. The fact that your not interested in fitting into any of the already established markets is proof of your artistic brilliance!! Your work is amazing to me just the way it is.
Fitting into the artistic market is the easiest way to ensure you won't make a living as an artist. If you draw something everyone else does, you won't stand out.
Lots of people do watercolor portraits. In art, it seem like everything has been done before. I think Laovaan stands out for a few reasons. He's got a really innate color sense and his pieces, while beautiful, also have some emotion to them. These are things that can't always be taught and come from the spirit of the artist.
Well...maybe it was a waste when it comes to technical skills, but having a degree could open up a lot of doors-whether the university taught him anything or not.
It is, you can find many tutorials and guides online that are actually competent of which some of them are for free and even if you buy the paid ones you're still cheaper off than if you went to college or uni for it. Literally could work a Mc Donald's job while improving at art.
I loved hearing your story. It's sad but it's the truth. In high school I was a stop student in art every teacher would compliment me and make me believe I could do something with art of course after high school everything changed my teachers broke me down. They hated every "pretty picture" i made. The skills I learned over all the years where useless. All they wanted was something abstract or things like modern art. I managed to get through one 1 year. But decided to quit. Before all of this art was my love and passion. Now its the source my stress..... I haven't painted something I loved in a year.... I only worked to please my teacher's and after that I was to tired to paint for me. I want to love art again I want to make art that I love again and right now art school is the reason I can't do it. So I'm quitting not because I give up on art but because I don't want to give up on my art.
I sympathise a lot with your struggle and circumstances. I’m not an artist, but I had a similar experience with writing fiction. I used to love it, and would love writing a whole lot of pulpy stories to have fun and continuously flex my writing muscles to work towards where I wanted to be. Between normal high school and the start of VCE, however, the script flipped on me and all of a sudden I was doing everything wrong, and for the next two years I struggled and floundered to keep my grades just high enough to escape to study science. For almost five years I couldn’t bring myself to even look at my once beloved hobby, not without feeling sick and antsy. I’ve only just begun to be able to write as a hobby once more, and I can see how much I’ve lost, but at least I am now excited to continue making progress once more, and am learning to fall back in love with the craft.
You don't need criticism to be an artist. There will still be someone who would appreciate your craft. You don't do paintings or sculptures for your art professors and mentors, you do it for you.
It's kind of sad to see all that people judging art as if it were trash. For me, art is something that creates an emotion, be it anger, admiration or happiness. I found many people worrying too much about techniques, but for me, they are just a tool to let you express what you want. I think many people undervalues manga art because they think is a silly cartoony thing that has no work on it. I've seen several documentaries about manga creation processes and I'm amazed by all the effort that is needed to complete one single page. Besides, the more you read, the more you realize the different styles and authors. I hope that one day, manga will be appreciated by scholars as well. Btw, I love your portraits, no matter what. I can see a little part of you in each of them. You have all my support and admiration :)
One of my friends is an amazing mangaka, and it's amazing to see the talent and hard work she puts into everything she makes. I feel so sad when I hear that people don't think it is art because it shows how little they know about it and it degrades the people who make it.
Hi, I'm from Brasil, my english is not good, but I want tell you about the experience I had talking with an artist. We were discuting about what is art, and he told me a real artist has more than good skills, a real artist should break the edges of his own mind, his believes. We use here the expression "to think out from the box", if you know what I mean. So, you have wonderful skills, you know how to express yourself, now you need go out from the safe zone where your mind lives. I think it is what your professors want from you, do you understand? I love your work and your channel! Continue growing! Sorry my bad english🙃
that's your opinion man, familiarity has it's own value, and beauty is nothing to shy away from, why make some edgy looking shit smear when he can create a skilled masterwork like this.
I heard about a painting pig, whose works were taken to an art gallery without telling who made them. The people there were like "this expresses deep emotions of the artist" or "a picture of everyday's struggle" or the other usual shit people visiting galleries say to appear sophisticated. Then they were told the paintings were made by a pig.
Also, as a teacher, I'd rather see growth and confidence come from my students' work rather than accuracy. I want them to be happy about what they make😊
The problem is that you give the wrong feedback. His artwork isn't boring because he is using the wrong medium, or drawing techniques, or style, or colors. He simply forgot to ask what is the character doing, thinking and reacting to and so on. It's very boring when you tell nothing. It need to convey something, a feeling a story and so on. It's about posing. He simply forgot to pose the subject mater.
On the way home from my school now, we just had presentations and yup, every time I show something that is a little bit more “commercial art” they criticize it a lot... a little frustrating that what you love to make they never approve of😓
@TheBmo4538 I don't care about following trends or doing something new. Art should be something visually appealing first and for most. I learned in university that there isn't any point doing art if you yourself don't enjoy painting it. At that point it might as well be work at that point.
@TheBmo4538 Art doesn't have to have a deep meaning to be appreciated; Following your logic, A Literal turd that encapsulates the suffering of an ancient Idea and is the pinnacle in a new breed of artistic form should be held in higher stead than a Sprawling mural range that took 5 years to conceptualise and paint, but the fact that it doesn't "Mean anything" and doesn't "Channel the inner feelings of the painter" should be immediately cast out and Burned. This Superior view on art as a whole is what ruins is for the rest of us and prevents artists from just doing what they like.
@TheBmo4538 Oh so like the people who invented art didn't know what they were doing? Look and the Greeks, Romans, Egyptian etc. All their art are visually appealing. Go away with your delusion.
Art teacher on my school after I've shown her some anime drawings of mine: "Eh, I don't know much about anime/cartoon drawings overall, my class focuses more on photorealistic art. You've worked really clean tho, except for here, smudged a bit. There would have been a slightly warmer blue been better bc color theory. Great art tho" 10/10 would talk to again
Art teachers are honestly idiots i have a mate who did an art degree which he didn't want to do but he had a legal requirement to do the course but anywho he would get images off goggle and change them up a bit he would spend maybe an hour or 2 changing things up and ha was getting high scores
@@soblub8634 a money art teachers are charging for their teaching time is theft... and in opposition to an art theft their theft have nothing to do with art.
"This picture is not considered art in universities." Meanwhile University students: Yo what if I bring like, a chair, and say it's art in a very long fashion so it sounds legit. Art professor: YOU PASS!!!
It makes me so sad that "true art" has seemingly only become modern and postmodern abstract art. While I'm sure abstract art has a lot of value and meaning to many people, there should also be room for traditional and visually pleasing art. There is this weird idea now that seems to be that art can't be pretty or beautiful to have meaning, which is so constricting to what artists can do if they want to be respected, and get their art in a museum or something. While I'm not an artist myself, I absolutely adore your style of art and there is so much feeling in your work!! Thank you for this wonderful video!!
modern art mostely done in 5 minutes, traditional art is years and years of dedication and training not to mention making a art piece that takes numourus hours. Traditional art is for me more value then modern art beceaus every 6 year old produce modern art.
and not to forget its proven, some people just hang 6 year old work between so called modern artists and nobody notice it. Even a guy for joke stood by a Fire extinguisher and looked at ii as he does with a art piece and the so called art snobs took pictures from it.
You are totally right. There are different styles of art because people have different tastes!! Artists that may not work in the same style as someone else are not any less talented. It's often the same in music, if it isn't classical music then it is not true music. Many people fail to see the talent in more modern musicians as well!!
I am an art student (modern art student) and I do semi-realism. My teachers often tell me I'm very esthetic, however my pieces are also known as the ones with the most meanings among the students hehe. Some picture that dont look very pretty have no meaning, and the opposite is true as well. People needs to stop judging everything and accept different visions.
Abstract Art is an excuse of people don't know how to draw a proper stick figure. Digital arts, tabletop illustration are from professional artist with understanding of light sources, anatomy, shade, color blending.
Strannnge agreed ! Also what is important in art is idea. No one needs super realistic paintings/drawings (if you want that you can simply take a picture). Art is supposed to tell you something, has a deeper meaning, a story.
"Art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder." I like what you created. Your application is flawless, the composition is on point, the color pallette isn't an obvious choice but you created something that captured the interest of all us that stopped to comment. Obviously,you are doing something right.
Michelle B I agree. To add my own opinion to your comment: I don't understand diddly jack all about art technique or composition. I clicked on the video because the headline was catchy and the picture is beautiful. In my opinion his professor's perspective of art appears narrow minded, if what they value is so limited. (PS: is the abstract art they value post modern? As a genre).
then everyone could draw a stick man and get A+ Anything can be art, but that dosnt make it good.... there has to be some skill or talent or effort behind it
Hindu Goat, But the guy wasn't drawing stick figures and he also clearly has talent but the professors still give him a bad mark because they don't think it's art. i don't think that's fair at all...
This is the first video of yours that I've seen and I really appreciate you and your point of view. I like that you turned your frustration into something that you truly enjoy doing and to peacefully communicate your opinions to an audience. As a person who has lived around the RISD scene in the US, I totally empathize with the clashing of popular culture and the isolationism/elitism of the "High" Art World. Thanks for the video! -A New Subscriber
I went to art school in Luxembourg and had the exact same problem. My art teacher considered that only the things he liked or the things that were often seen in museums were real art. And the rest wasn't. I only stayed 1 year in that school before I left, because all those opinions and restrictions on how I should draw frustrated me. I don't need a diploma to be able to create art or just be an Artist. Btw, your works are fantastic!
It's so sad, what they sad to you and I'm glad that you did'nt stop to paint in your style. I see your own style inside your work and for me it's art. Sometime I enjoy these abstract pics also, but I like more pictures where I can recognize what is drawn. Go on!
Your Art is always incredible and awesome. Especially because it's unique and you can see your own handwriting in your pictures. So whether it's for university or private, I'm sure you do well like you show us in all your videos 😊 Learning a lot by your Videos. Thanks
Having studied art and fashion design I have encountered similar problems, on the one hand art is an incredibly difficult thing to evaluate because it is subjective. If you're bad at math, you're bad at math, if you're bad at art, it might just be your teacher's opinion. At the same time, I was a teenager, very naive, very inexperienced, I had not found my unique voice yet, it was just fanart and derivative illustrations, my teachers were right in their criticisms. However I don't think fanart is necessarily a bad thing if the artist is mature and is actually conveying something deeper. I've been to many conventions where the artist alley is just filled with frivolous trash, they are just copying existing publicity materials and yet that shit sells. Just like weird abstract shit sells in the so called "high art" world.
I've on occasion been on the teacher's end of it - evaluating the manga and fan art of students. My approach to it has been - be a really good draftsman, whether it's manga, fanart, whatever. And from there, don't do art just like everyone else. But on the latter point, how you explain that or get that out of oneself, let alone, another person is still mysterious to me.
I don't know. I've seen some great non-objective art. Rauschenberg, Klee, Klimt and others have tremendous painterly chops. There's a wealth of eye candy in their work. Sorry you can't see it.
As someone who spent some time in art school I'd like to weigh in because I actually disagree that art is subjective. Yes, it is definitely more fluid and subjective than math, but I think that the point of art school is to teach objective techniques to refine one's abilities. Art is meant to express one's thoughts, and in that respect I view it like grammar and its relationship to language. Whether you're reading the precision-picked purple prose of Lovecraft or the intentionally disjointed stream of consciousness of William Faulkner's The Sound and The Fury, it is easy to recognize their strong grasp of language and divorce that from their personal style of writing; likewise, Michaelangelo's statues and Picasso's cubism both needed a strong grasp of art technique to render. These are concepts that I wish were focused more in academia, but unfortunately I have found that technique often takes a backseat to style or, even worse yet, fostering a personality of artistic posturing to market yourself as an individualist artist. I think when students are given the tools they need to express themselves, a certain individual style will naturally emerge as a consequence of their own life experiences and tastes. Art is a very competitive industry and I believe it does students a disservice to zero in on some ephemeral deeper meaning in their art at the expense of teaching them how to network and produce art in the first place.
I've been reading a lot of the comments on the video. It seems that for many people arguing against Laovaan's statements, the point at which something becomes art is when they see a deeper meaning in it. Some expression, an idea, a story, an emotion, anything. So that person looks at a piece and finds none of these. It's merely an illustration to them. Their verdict: This isn't art. This whole process is inherently subjective because a completely different person might find something in the piece and therefore call it art. And you don't have to scroll far to find people on any of his pieces that had some kind of emotional reaction to it. Who is right? Do you go by majority? Do you go by what it would be paid for it on the market? Does the artist themselves not count at all? The only consistent solution is to separate the idea of value and art. Art is a category, and every object in that category is valued differently by different people. When I insist that whatever I created is art, that does not mean I require you to give it the same value that I do. However, I give you the option to value it in the first place, because I placed it in the category of art. This is what Laovaan is saying in this video! A lot of people assume he wants you to value the piece on the same level as him, but that is not the case. The distinction between art and illustration is irrelevant at this point. Illustration should be seen as a subcategory of art, it's still a form of artistic expression. If you give that whole category a lower value simply because it's "just illustration" then that's totally fine. But saying that because it doesn't reach a certain threshold it should not be considered art gets us back to the problem I described above. Who is the judge? Either it's everyone or no-one. It's not rare that you need some context to truly understand an art piece. What if you lack that context? What if that context emerges after the fact? What if only the artist is aware of that context and keeps it to themselves? The fact that so many people are responding indicates that there's something deeper happening here. If there wasn't a context before, it sure as hell exists now. This video, comprised of the spoken word part and the painting, is a piece of art. You all made it that by interacting with it, whether you like it or not.
I know some people are saying it's not art, which I disagree with, but I have also seen some saying that the distinction is that it's not fine art. That I do agree with. To people that study art and art theory and have gone to art school, it is no surprise to us that his professors reacted to his work like this. My problem is not with him making this kind of art. Everyone should do what makes them happy. What I do have a problem with is the fact that this person in the video is pursing a Studio major and is not seeming to get why peers and professors are calling him out. If this was a person in a design/graphic design or illustration major I don't think this video would have even been made.
missvintagevanity check out his follow up video. If it wasn't clear, he is studying art to become a teacher and I agree with him that there are certain distinctions to be made with regards to what the aim of that program should be compared to studying art for itself.
Echolox i believe art has 2 meaning. one is when your drawing has a meaning and you are trying to convey something to the others and the other is when your drawing is hollow and has no meaning but you are just suppose to be immersed in it and feel it's beauty as if it cannot speak so you cannot hear or understand.
You're so talented! And I love how you work with color :) I feel like a lot of fine arts professors have a limited view of art. If the point of pursuing an art degree is to eventually do art professionally, its your authentic style that will attract people to your work. That kind of style can't be forced, especially by another person. For anyone that reads this, don't let those people make you feel insecure about your art.
you know art professors had to get their masters in being artists to be able to teach, right? And that 9 times out of 10 they’re still working artists? That being said. They moreso like to force students to conform to their ideals and own opinions/teachings on art rather than being open-minded.
@@breezehxme Of course; This really isn't a case of them not being able to be artists of course, this is a case of them closing their minds.....absolute killer that one.
I'm a consumer. Not an artist. I can spot a hoytie-toytie piece a mile away and I've frequently bought this overpriced crap as gifts for people who I knew were all about impressing others. But, for my home, I buy amateur landscapes. That's it. That's what I love. You wouldn't catch me hanging abstract garbage in my house ever. Thanks to all the snobs out there, I get what I love for dirt cheap. Why do I love it? Who the hell knows. Sometimes it's the subject material. Sometimes it's seeing hints of a developing genius in a flurry of ignorant brushstrokes. Sometimes it's the innocence. Sometimes I see so much freaking effort in a piece and I feel the passion of the growing artist. For me, that's my favorite art. That's where I find the most emotion. The crap that I buy for my friends? That's cold, calculated marketable color on paper. It's designed to appeal to the highest bidder. It's not what the artist truly loves and it shows.
Pepper Conchobhar it is just not art because it is made by you, when you get into the pendant art market it suddenly gets ''good'', and ''unique''. No matter if it is just nothing (litterally) if you sell it good it becomes a brilliant masterpiece by the concept. The emperor's New clothes syndrome.
What about abstract landscapes? I have a pretty nice one of a fishing village/dock that looks like it was done on rough paper/cloth with coffee stains kinda. Its a beautiful piece imo.
Definitely. A good abstract landscape is quite beautiful to me. Funny story. I'm seriously near-sighted. That's pretty much what nature looks like to me without my glasses. lol!
Laovaan. I graduated from Pratt Institute, New York. What you're talking about is the difference between "commercial art" and "fine art". What your professors should have told you is that their goal as fine art instructors is to "undo" your personal preferences and your established style, technique, subject matter, and color choices, to abandon them and prepare your mind for fine art training. What that means is to learn the fundamentals, basics of color theory, proportion, composition, shape, emotion, value, etc. In their view that would loosen you up and give you a wider world of possibilities to explore other styles and subject matter as a fine artist. But what it seems you want is more illustration and commercial art course work. Are you majoring in fine art or commercial art? Is there a distinction of that in your university? Those are different majors at art schools in the US. Of course what you're doing is art, it's just not museum art, it's commercial in nature. You studying in art school is to increase your skill level, that's all. Don't listen to them. Switch your major to illustration and commercial art.
The issue is many of these kinds of professors teaching fine art, will generally considering illustrations to not be art. They tend to have this pretty stuck up attitude about it too. And even if you are not taking specifically a fine art course, if the professor is more oriented toward fine art, you could end up with someone like the above. Sadly both courses will generally have crossover since both are art and deal with a lot of the same concepts. For example, whether you are a fine artist, or an illustrator, you are probably going to have the same color theory class.
luise -chan I'm sorry to tell you that what it is said in this video is true for most of the art schools. It is also true that you'll have some teachers that will help you grow and will be amazing but the majority of them are just there not because they want to pass their knowledge but because they didn't make it as artists and need a way of living. Unfortunately, these people have diplomas but that's it. One of my "teachers" was despicable and one day I asked myself, who is this person to tell me that my work is not good enough or that it has no meaning if he is never been able to make a good decision about his own art? How can someone make judgements so quickly about others creative decisions when your own is so bad that never made it out of your studio? Should I really listen to this person's advise?
Art school was terrible for me and nothing like i imagined. It was a crushing experience. To put it this way for a project a peer collected two dead squirrels from our campus and pegged them on the wall and said she didnt want to explain it and wanted to observe peoples reactions. She did it the night before last min because she had nothing else. My prof ate it up. I carved and cut a wooden piece exploring native american ideals and my prof said it looked like a craft. I hope your experience is better then mine.
luise -chan You can make art a career but you don't necessarily need art school to do that. You just need a good portfolio that you can work on during your spare time. All art schools help you with is networking and resources. And even then you can find those online and by looking up networking events.
Don't listen to a teacher who would mock your works. But you also have to evaluate yourself. Trust me. I had this experience when I went to university one of my teacher said " This is how you should be or this the right example". I followed his opinion and It was completely disaster.
It's not _that_ simple, Angie. It's art when you successfully convey your artistic intention with whatever you create. If it doesn't have a message/artistic intention it can be many things, a beautiful portrait painting, a complex manga drawing, an impressive sculpture, all of which is NOT a bad thing or worth any less, but not 'art'.
Art is defined by those who are moved by what they see ... and it is why your work is art it moved me so beautiful. Dance is a form of art because it makes you feel . You are amazing I might be an amateur but an artist non the less and your work is inspiring!!!
You know, I went to art college over 20 years ago. I too had instructors who tried to push me toward their idea of what art "should" be. I got mostly low "B" grades, some "C" grades, etc. Very little encouragement. Then, after about 4 semesters of trying to do it "my way", I decided to run an experiment. I spent the bulk of my third year Painting 3 class just chucking paint at a canvas. I got in trouble for leaving a mess and was asked to work outside, but I got "A" grades for the semester for literally throwing acrylics at a canvas. That was my last semester. I decided that I'd take what knowledge I had gained and go it alone. Sadly, without that piece of paper you get at the end, it's much more difficult to get the kind of work you would like to do, even when you're qualified. Art being such a competitive field with so many applicants for even the most menial job. Two folks go for work, each with similar levels of quality, the one with the degree will always win the gig. I hope you stick it out, you're clearly talented. Your stuff looks like what I wanted them to teach me to do and they wouldn't. Preferring to try and push me toward something for which I had no passion, they tried to snuff the passion I did have to comic books and other more commercial art endeavors. For me, the definition of art is a created work which provokes an emotional response. If the response is "Wow, that's beautiful", it's just as valid as any other emotion and that's just enough. Do what they say for now, get that piece of paper, and get solid work your whole life because you're already great at what you do. Cheers!
I remember expecting to be taught at Uni for Fine Arts, and the told us: "You're supposed to come here with all the tools and knowledge, and we're just here to give you work and grade it." Nobody really taught us how to do anything. And they just put pressure after pressure saying it'll turn us into diamonds. I met one of my Freehand profs at the college I transferred too. She taught a lecture class. On my break, I doodled butterflies, and she came to me teaching me how to use colored pencils. It was so confusing since back at uni, she called out the best student in class for shading with "flowers" --actually were spirals. I heard from a prof in college that he also taught in the uni I went to. Apparently, Fine Arts --prestige and shit -- they were asked by the uni to teach a certain way, in other words, give work and leave the students for 3 hours. This one prof was one of the best I'd had --he taught Freehand drawing.
It's called interior decoration then. Artwork doesn't need to be pleasant to look at or complementary to sertain interiors. Artwork should provoke thought first and foremost.
Дарья Атоян I was always told in art schools that anything could be art, even breathing. Just because an art piece is beautiful it shouldn't be automatically disqualified as a provocative one or put in the box , you only mean that it is not provocative to you. I'm so tired of the same rhetorical statements ...to be art it has to be provocative... well, to be convincing you have to be more creative in your statement, this one is sooooo old, its like listening to an art teacher from the 60's. Please evolve, let artists be free and express themselves in any way they want. If one want to do beauty, so be it! Otherwise it will be hypocritical art just to please the market and that is not art at all no matter how many essays accompany the art piece.
Yanai Nassar, perhaps i explained myself poorly. I wasn't talking about provocative art, a was trying to say, that any art piece should have an educational purpose.
Me: *draws anime character of my own for many hours of thinking and hesitating* Art Teacher: ... Wtf is dis? Me: ... DRAWING Teacher: It's not art, do it again. Me: *le cries to da corner*
Rose Vine Angel oof, my art teacher says that it’s ok for me to draw anime in my free time but I should try learning some traditional techniques so I’ll be able to move forward faster, I have to say, I’d agree with them
Showed my sketchbook full of original Manga and cartoon illustrations in elementary school, and the teacher said, "if you keep drawing childish doodles like this, you're never going to make a living for yourself." Showed my sketchbook of landscape sketches and still life studies, and my college professor said, "you need to branch out and find something else to draw. Anyone can do this, it's boring." You can't win with teachers dude.
I took art during my pre-university education, but even at that level, my teachers were very encouraging and embracing of all different forms of art. One thing that I took away from that was about how art can be anything and everything you want it to be, whether it be a blank canvas, Duchamp's inverted urinal or a watercolour painting. It made me appreciate and love art even more. I feel sorry that your professors don't appreciate the beautiful work that you do, but I think that you shouldn't let their definition limit you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Keep up the amazing work!
My school has a variety of programs from fine art, to graphic design, to illustration, and so on. It's really interesting to see the different mentalities these different departments and their students have. In all, I think my university does a good job of balancing the wildly abstract, to the traditional, to the commercial. When I go into the art building throughout the year there are a variety of student works on display. Sometimes it is abstract and all about process. Other times they are extremely technical paintings. And still other times they are illustrative works and concept designs. Even so, a lot of my professors aren't too fond of manga either. Still, most of them don't dismiss it altogether while still encouraging students to learn how to broaden their vision outside of manga styles anyways (and frankly it improves their overall manga style by extension). Anyway, I've felt lucky.
Teachers often suck at explaining why they don't like anime, if they even understand why they don't like it. But the problem with manga/anime styles that tends to make teachers wary (and often weary) of it, is the fact that a lot of students use it as a shortcut. Instead of going through the long and difficult process of really learning form and line and color and light and whatnot, they just go about drawing (anime style) symbols for things and calling it a day. Of course, their stuff doesn't turn out looking like Hayao Miyazaki's or even Akira Toriyama's, it looks like a kid's eye-bleeding upload to deviantArt. Do you think Miyazaki couldn't draw in any style he wanted? Including and especially realism? Of course he could. He chooses his anime style. Style is choice. You can't choose if you only know one narrow way of doing something.
@@rin_okami Yeah, that's basically what most of my professors have said. They discourage students from drawing exclusively manga, at least for assignments, to broaden their artistic ability. Although, I have to say, it makes me want to flip a table when I draw something that is very much not anime style and someone still says it looks like anime. LIKE HOW?
This is why i was extremely disappointed in going to college... Lets be creative! Whats your favorite color? Green! Green is not a creative color! Dont hug me im scared.
This is why modern art is going to shit. If the essence of the critiques are "it looks too good", you know the art community is screwed. I think art can be valued by how beautiful it is as well as by how much thought is behind it, and how much emotion it provokes. You don't go to an orchestra to hear unrefined atonal screeching, you don't go to a restaurant to eat rancid, disgusting food, so why would anyone want to go to an art gallery to see garbage that a three year old child could do, that lacks anything that would make it desirable to look at?
This was so frustrating to me when I studied art in university, whenever I did hyper realistic paintings and portraits my professor and some of the other students would tear it to pieces during critique and praise the students that looked as though they threw their project together at the last minute (it was abstract). They would go on to talk about how much feeling was put into it for over an hour, which was strange to me. Then when I actually did what they wanted (something abstract) they praised me for it, said they could see sadness and so much emotion in it. I was like really? I honestly just scribbled on paper not caring what I came up with to make you happy.
ehhhhh i think it depends i believe everything is art because i as an artist put deep emotional significance in my art even if it is composed of a single color or even if its abstract i make art for myself its the only way i feel comfortable expressing myself
Melissa it honestly all depends on the teachers and the school sadly, I got lucky at my school and they appreciated when you did work that you enjoyed and that you actually put time into. Only a few students hated it but those were the ones who didn't like working or literally just didn't do the projects at all. I have a few complaints of course but that's only natural. It sucks that you got treated like that.
I’d have to agree with your professors to some extent. The works you showed us after the given advice, seemed more and more interesting. The more out of the box, the more original, the better. The same happens with music. It’s hard to call a generic pop song an artwork. However, when the mold is broken and originality peaks out at a piece of music, the more intrigued and interested people get.
Still, you can't say that something isn't "personal" just because you don't find it original enough. Also, why creating something ""ugly"" on purpose? If you look at art throughout history, it was mostly realistic and beautifully drawn. Not some random colours here and there. Those teachers are way too judgemental and shouldn't even be teachers.
@@vitaliy1858 The Scream by Edvard Munch was made to be ugly. People thought impressionist styles were ugly for a long time. What this guy's doing is generic pinterest stuff that can blend with one another, nothing original. Those teachers probably see the same crap everyday, ignoring critique is just childish and immature.
@@nine-vi7rw Yes, but what I meant was that they basically tell people to do something "more personal" when they probably don't know anything about what makes their art personal or not. It doesn't have to be in an impressionist style to be personal. You know what I mean?
@@vitaliy1858 what you said is basically why I don't show my art to anyone... Just because my art is "ugly" it is not considered art at all... In my opinion, what makes art personal is what you choose as a theme, choose style, colors and composition just for this particular artwork BUT after you realize there is more than just one technique nas theme to choose from. When you are always drawing/painting something in one particular way (especially when you are still young) you might be mistaken as close-minded just because you don't want to open for something else.
@@projektujeappki5536 yeah I get it, and I didn't mean ugly as ugly, I hope you get what I'm saying. But in general, if you draw something it's USUALLY personal, it's just like writing, even if you write a really typical story, it could still be personal, because of your writing style, because of your experiences in life that you put in your story, and so on... And I feel like teachers shouldn't just say that there is no personality in some art just because it's realistic for example. like no abstract art is not more personal, I could just draw a bunch of lines and say a story about it, and same with realistic drawings, you know what I mean? I'm sorry if my English is bad btw
*professor:* "art is about the free expression of ones self."
*hands in work*
*professor:* "no not like that.."
Precisely
J M There’s no need for me to tell you this, but I feel like an art professor would mean express yourself, bring out your true colors. For example, if you feel sad paint out your feelings by using different hues, and shades of blues.
But he's not expressing himself. He's obsessed with manga and characters created by other people. He doesn't have his own style because its all manga and anime. He has no originality. Go through deviantart. There's so many other "artists" that have his exact style.
J M Also, it doesn’t have to be necessarily about human emotions. When an art professor means freely expressing yourselves use different colors that gives a different mood to an art piece.
Valek28 But it's what he likes to draw! What is artistic about spraying random colous on a piece of paper? A dirty bathtub is considered art! Why the hell not this?
I find it weird how everything has to have a meaning. I like to do art for the only purpose of doing it. I like creating beautiful things that don't have to be reflections of childhood trauma
ı couldnt agree more...
It's a defence mechanism because they don't have the skill to make beautiful things. They change the standards so that their mediocrity is now the ceiling. The Calling of Saint Matthew has been stupefying people for hundreds of years. Tracy Emin's unkempt bed is already kitschy crap after a few decades.
@@ichigo449 I just finished studying Caravaggio and I was really amazed at his talent. Until now, I never heard of Tracey Emin but I looked it up...there's no comparison. It's literal trash.
@@ichigo449 Also, in recent years I've noticed that a lot less people pay attention to art, and a lot less aesthetically pleasing art is produced. The value of these trash "art pieces" has skyrocketed, while traditional art is not valued as much
Your beautiful things HAVE a meaning. It’s just most professors only consider “meaning” what’s painful or sad or aggressive. It’s like they don’t believe humans are capable of happiness.
Art courses should probably stick to teaching technique and leave assessment of what constitutes good and bad art to individuals.
Right?! Some teachers have a hard time being professional and impartial
Places where they really teach art will never judge by work being good or bad.
Exactly. Leave the commentary on the more theoretical classes like art history.
Of course thanks to shit professors now we have horrible art the main purpose of it is mainly being used in money laundering schemes.
Or they should have a separate class for philosophy and there teach about thinking and expressing ideas...
@@FernandaSomenauer Philosophy is rooted in unbiased ideas as it focuses on the study of knowledge and truth (amongst other things). I don't think opinionated art professors like Laovaan's would be suitable for that since they seem to jump to conclusions way too fast. It's not a good mindset for philosophy.
My brother studies philosophy and I haven't taken it, but that's just what I gathered from him talking to me about his classes.
My friend had a detailed painting of his mother and he lost to a girl who threw paint on a canvas -_-
a girl with great fellatio skills i guess
Your friend is a real winner.
Most of all the art competitions and shit like that is rigged and before the competition starts the jury already know who will get the prize
That modern art for you, all of it is hot garbage.
They're people who think all art should be at the level of the lowest common denominator just because they themselves can't achieve excellence. If anyone is an imposter it's them.
Your friend is an actual artist.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown saw him vent, pretty sus ngl...
Professor says “being a teacher makes you lose credibility as an artist”? This is very strange.
Yeah I heard that and was like "the frick? Who says that?"
maybe that was the point the professor was trying to make. Spoken from experience, I guess
I think he meant saying you doing something else makes it sound like you are less serious which to be honest is true, if someone told you they were an artist and then immediately tell you they have a day job chances are you aren't gonna take them seriously as a successful artist. The professor was right.
@@MurderousJohnny not really. The professor has a day job too. Should we consider his/her paintings didnt sell enough?
That threw me off too. So having a day job makes you less of an artist? Having a back up plan is bad? So what makes you an artist? Starving in a shack on a lonely mountain?
It's oddly contradictory because they reject things that are too mainstream or pop-art but they enforce a compliance with a different standard that is mainstream in the "art world" that they are in.
Conforming to non-conformity.
You just pointed out one of the great contradictions of modern times.
benedictify oh you mean kinda like a doctrine?
NonGamer live 247 o
I'm glad the school I'm at isn't so smarmy as to dismiss anything that isn't 'fine art'.
Mako Neko which school is that?
It's hard to paint something you don't want to do. Instead of really meaning anything, the only emotion it would have is anger.
Or frustration
PyroGhost913 maybe that's what the professors are looking for. The deeeeep emotion of frustration -.-
or emptiness
then make an original idea. like gennedy or dan harmon
I agree. I don't paint, but I write, and when I'm just editing something to makes it more appealing for a certain audience outside of myself, it's a lot harder to stay motivated.
I want to be an art school teacher just to be a cool art school teacher.
I think the world could always use encouraging teachers, so that's a cool goal. :)
Same, I'm an art student now, and my teachers always act this way. Being a good teacher, especially for art students is the coolest thing
Mood
Join the club! I’m studying to be an art teacher as well
Me too, but y'know, parents say teachers and artists don't make money. They crushed my dreams.
I don't think art demands to be understood.
It demands to be made. And it will speak for itself.
well said 🙏🏼
Very profound.
That is very fine, but you still haven't defined art nor what not is art...
The pictogram of UA-cam also demanded to be made. It also speaks for itself... it might even be designed well, but it isn't art.
Henk Meerhof art as defined by the dictionary is “the expression of application of human creative skill and imagination,”
@@yarn0v0 So that leave a lot to debate, right...
Don't care what the university says. You are talented. Follow your dreams.
No question that he's talented! He's great.
this statement is incomplete. Do what you like, but also stay grounded to reality and realise that having money may not be a driving force but is still needed to survive. So do another degree with a good job scope on the side.
@@photon2724 Just went to a big comic convention. A very famous artist told me his parents were supporting when he decided to be a comic artist, but suggested him to have a side job as well. So he started acting.
You cannot tame an artistic mind with a mundane job. XD
@@Shendue If the artist got famous in the first place, i wouldn't doubt he was a bad creative person before he became a famous artist, but 99% of artist aren't good or lucky enough to get a creative job. Its cool that people succeed and hearing about their story is nice and all, but you don't hear the 1000's of people who fail to achieve....
Talented compare to who? To those who are not in the creative field? Why don't you measure him among his peers instead, this guy is not talented. He is the definition of mediocre.
Ex art student, can confirm. What is art for you and the majority of people, is not art according to 99% of the professors. Screw that.
Same here. It's also in English departments have a similar problem, but not near as pronounced or harsh in my experience.
im in art univ, well i had to climb walls of professors telling me wht i do isnt art . so they tried changing my style it was like locking me up in a cage and drowning it deeo down in the ocean so i cant escape. then someone came to my life like a light. he was a professor and he told me to submit to him the best work i could do with my style. and i did. to others' surprise my art got selected for annual exhibition and won an award . tht was a game changer for me . now i think i cannot change their heads but im trying make my mark, not with their words, but with my very own style.
I love this painting. There's nothing wrong in appreciating beauty. I like how clean it looks and the color choices.
And is there anything wrong with a professor wondering if a student can incorporate more blank space, even as an experiment? Or if a student can work on abstracting for the sake of stretching their boundaries and maybe opening up a new creative Avenue they hadn’t explored? Isn’t this what school is supposed to be about? It’s like look, if you sign up for opera school but refuse to sing any opera and instead bring Taylor swift, yeah maybe you’re in the wrong place.
@@bm4114 No but it’s wrong if it starts to become an argument over what’s considered art. It was never about the professor wanting his student to experiment. It was always about how the message was being delivered.
I feel lucky i had an amazing and supportive art teacher in high school now. He saw some of my 'manga' doodles and approached me about them. He was very embrassed and humble about it, as he noticed that in the past few years, a few of his students started to draw manga, but he never had an idea what kind of 'style' it was. So since i adored him and always asked for his opinions on them, he felt safe enough to ask about it, and we like, talked for the rest of the class about it, me ending up showing him some manga an anime, and he was simply baffled that a whole new 'style of art' went unnoticed by him.
He was ADORABLE in the way how he handled it, actually ending up borrowing some manga from me, to study it and actually reading up about it. He wasnt a stuck up kind of prof, he was really really really open minded and generally was grateful that there is a popular thing drawing young people towards studying art.
The whole man is just such a nice old prof, who actually left teaching at university becasue he too, felt restricted there. He is like a local celebrity in my town, but so kind, so positive and loving, and open about it. I actually think he is a TRUE artist because how he appreciates everything around him.
P.S. he even drew me Sakura from Naruto, cause he knew i loved her a lot.
P.S.2 I recently learned from a highschooler who i know thru anime, that he runs an art club at one of the local high schools, and like 75% of the students visiting the club are anime fans.
This comment is so wholesome!
@@happybear8831 Thank you, i just really really love my teacher, he is just one of those souls who are too pure for this world.
Zombie Chocolate I subscribed to you because of this comment. It’s so wholesome
@@sussy6628 Thank you so much!
He was so nice! Art teachers usually don't like anime/cartoon styles. You were so lucky
I remember once having a bitter art teacher who only liked abstract art. The faces of disgust she would make at anything recognizable on paper were quite something to behold. It really bummed me out at the time because I was actually hoping to learn to sketch and paint real things in that class, but instead I was forced to practically mass-produce a bunch of abstract crap I felt no joy or pride in, just to make her happy and get a passing grade. Looking back at it now, I realized that the reason she only wanted us to make abstract art was that she couldn't draw or paint worth a crap, so she couldn't teach us anything else.
As the saying goes "those who can't do, teach."
PiranhaCupcake right! And now I have this problem, from 2/3 years ago (I mean school too) and when we have sketch what we told ... She didn't come to class, and want us to sing and dance ..I'm sad:( hueeee
PiranhaCupcake Yes,there are very much of them like that. They were all unsuccessful artists. Can art be self suficient? Could one be an artist if one doesnt sell his work?
We were supposed to make a piece that represented us and it was 40% of our grade. I made a very realistic piece and was told I was stiff and didn’t think about the piece at all. Someone drew a black page with white dots all over. They made some reason up and passed with flying colors. I was criticized for “lacking creativity” because of my art style.
Grace Stafford And you took that personaly? come on. it doesnt matter what they think. what matters is what you think. sell your art yourself. make money that way, develop your art yoursef. make money by givin private lessons in drawing. like old masters of music did. composition doesnt pay.
Art teachers are masters at sucking all the fun out of art. They also tend to be bitter and feel threatened by students who show skill.
With only a few bright exceptions, that sounds about right to me.
Even my 5th grade teacher was scared of me because I have "talent"
He would always humiliate me in front of the whole class and would always give me B's when the rest of the class would receive A's
Just like the episode artist unknown in spongebob
Bingo
Any real teacher won't feel threatened by anyone. And by making life for you difficult is to see if you just are presenting some cunning copy work or if it is expressing yourself. As it is easy to copy and difficult to be your own person.
Once my art teacher told me that I'm not allowed to put manga style watercolor portraits in my portfolio for my final exams, because "manga art is just copying". No matter how clearly I explained that she is totally wrong about her statement, finally I had to alter my portfolio. An advice to anyone out here who want to improve their manga painting/drawing skills: don't waste your time with art schools and narrow minded art teachers :)
the same happened to me. i’m in 11th grade and my major subject is art. i had to show a portfolio for my entrance exam and i almost didn’t make it in because i drew a portrait of an asian person and the criticism was “it looks like manga, manga is just copying.”
"Manga art just COPieS itself."
I'm sorry, did you forget the entire dark age period where all anyone did was paint pretty ladies that all have the exact same face????
YALL FORGET THE SHEER AMOUNT OF FRUITS IN BASKETS??!!!
Humans COPY each other, its natural. Heck, some abstract artists copy other abstract artists.
Bruh my step dad says the same thing! There was even a point in time I just wouldn't draw anything because he would always just criticize.
Guys, you aren’t going to go the music conservatory to study Taylor swift. You go to a different place for that. Don’t go to the fancy culinary school to make chicken nuggets, even really good ones. You go somewhere else for that. If manga is your thing, then the fine art Academy will not be the place for that. Now the clever ones realize that skills learned outside of their main focus can be applied to their main focus. So just because your professor isn’t interested in developing your manga skill set doesn’t mean the things they have to teach can’t be useful to you, or help you grow and evolve. Anyway, education is wasted on the young.
@@bm4114 Neither it was a fine art academy ( just a graphic design course), nor I wanted to learn manga from those teachers. I just simply stated that there are so many misconceptions about manga in the art schools, that it's a waste of money to go to any art school if you specific art goal is to learn manga drawing only.
Of course it's not your art school's responsibility to teach you manga techniques, but the lack of open mindedness in those schools is absolutely outrageous. Art is about freely express yourself, so a good teacher sould never restirct their student to only use a certain preferred style and avoid other art styles.
Dude. I study history.
What u do. Which is portraits.
Is something that would very much be considered art during time periods such as the hellinistic Greeks.
Renaissance.
Enlightenment era
And even victorian.
Because the importance of art back then wasn't expression or abstract like with the 60s.
It was to capture beauty
I believe the most important thing in the greek era was to search for the perfect human figure in the image of the gods. The renaicance was more focussed on the study of realism and ever present religious themes. Enlightenment era actually is largely about self expression and political views, and the victorian era is about the idealisation of nobility and wealth.
Ok to be fair, capturing beauty is something that is present troughout all of these themes, but there is always a question of what should be concidered beautifull and why
the absolute worst thing is that impressionism, something those art teachers like, and all derivatives and alikes were essentialy created in rebelion to a strict rules and one organisation of old farts deciding what is and is not art....
And now we have the same old farts making strict rules and deciding what is and is not art while they worship artist from a impressionism era that would tear them to shreds if they would still be alive and seeing what they do...
thats kind of the point tho, its been done, and done way better a million times by people for 100s of years. If you want to win masterchef by cooking the judges a bowl of pasta with tomato sauce... if thats not the best bowl of pasta ever made in the history of food you got no chance. You might go home that night and cook yourself a nice bowl of pasta, and really enjoy it, sure, so will the judges. But a bowl of basic pasta thats been cooked by everyone whos ever put pasta on a cooker is not going to win you an elite cookery competition. Were not talking about a short competition here, were talking about a multi year degree, and the art in this vid is the equiv of a bowl of pasta with tomato sauce.
I like pasta too, but thats beside the point. leonardo davinci painted the mona lisa over 500 years ago, how does this pic of a girl stand up against that? think about it.
@@necaacen the problem with your comparison is that...
Well lets say you would cook best bowl of pasta ever. Those judges, aka art teachers, would tell you that you HAVE TO make a salisbury stake, and dont dare make it your way you have to make it their way, no matter that they like it burned, its how you should cook... And then you go out of art school and the only thing you know is to how to burn salisbury stake and not only that but you hate it...
@@HidekiShinichi they might not be happy with the bowl of pasta ever, if it really was the best pasta ever to grace a bowl they MIGHT be ok with it. But yes, they might not.
I dont think they want you to cook a steak and cook it their way, I think they want you to cook something interesting in a way they havent tasted a million and one times before by people whove done it better than you have. It may seem like theyre trying to get you to do something their way, but theyre not, they would only do that when theyre trying to teach you about doing a thing in a specific way, teaching you something any chef should know like how to cook a proper steak. When it comes to submitting your work tho what theyre looking for is something that they can identify as you, something with a signature to it that is unmistakably you, not something thats indistinguishable from a million people who are all doing the same done and dusted thing that has no distinctive personality.
these people have seen a million portraits painted, theyve seen stuff like this...
ua-cam.com/video/4Ib3Pfm1p5Q/v-deo.html
and even something as exquisitely painted as this they have seen many many times. If you hand them this then ull get their respect, but they will still tell you to do something more interesting. If you hand them this watercolour of the girl in this vid... to them its not only uninteresting, it doesnt even get their respect for being an exquisite example of something uninteresting. To an uneducated eye it might look good, but these people have literally seen 1000s of examples of work 10x better that was painted 400 years ago. Theyre looking for something thats interesting and relevant in 2019, something painted by someone who knows their history and how to not repeat it, especially not repeat it with less skill than the originators.
So do I get this right?
Art teacher complains that your Art seems like you drew it to appeal to someone else, THEN he proceeds to tell you what you should draw?
Don't say it like that, it sounds like art teachers are narcissistic perverts who prey on their students.
they kinda were. i mean, not hte perverted part. Though in the not lewd sense I do believe they had a perverted view on what art truly was. No matter how you slice it, Art is a form of expression. and there are just as many ways to make it as there are people. Just like people however, it all begins the same. With a thought, and a desire.
Hence the great contradiction of those teachers. They are just brainwashed, self-contradicting fucks.
Calvin Barnes lmao Exactly!
Calvin Barnes it's worse than that when they tell you "don't be a teacher it detracts from you being an artist" ~ you mean like them?
The majority of teachers can only teach you the tools, they rarely themselves are successful as artists
A few weeks after my horse died of cancer, I received in the mail a small portrait of her, painted by someone working for my veterinarian. When I opened the package and saw my beloved horse, I wept. I felt the love of the artist, who cared about my horse and about my loss. I felt gratitude for having once had such a wonderful horse. It was a beautiful, bittersweet moment, one that I re-experience every time I look at the little painting.
This little work will never hang in a big important gallery or sell for a lot of money, but that does not matter at all. It shows the true beauty of its creator's heart; it shows the beauty of the Creator, who is love itself. This is the true definition of art -- that it comes from the heart, that it shows truth, that it comes from love, even if it depicts a difficult issue.
Therefore, Laovaan, continue to do your art. Don't worry too much about your professors. Do think about touching peoples' hearts and minds. To do this, work from your own heart. Work with love. Anytime you do this, you make art. When you bring love, joy, a feeling of peace and beauty, or a sense of truth to other people, you know that you are successful.
Amanda Adkisson Reading your comment filled me with bitter sweet feelings. It was so nice, it would be amazing if the artist knows how much his artwork have an impact on a person
This is beautiful.
Personalized pieces such as the one you had created for your beloved horse are what I love doing the most. A lot of professors would look at my work and exclaim that it is not truly art, but it is the opinion of the person I made the piece for that truly matters. I have had several clients cry upon the reveal and that makes it all worth it to me. I know that my pieces may never make it to a museum but they are proudly hanging in someone's home and brought them joy.
Amanda Adkisson , that has got to have been the most beautiful speech I have ever read in a UA-cam comment! I was touched by how well said it was!! Also, my condolences to you about your horse... 😢 Horses are amazing creatures. Just, absolutely amazing.
Amanda Adkisson , wonderfully said..
Art is subjective. Art is a relationship between the artist and the consumer, to illicit a visceral response. The professors have over intelctualized the process. Honestly, what do they know?
That's the reason why I left Fine Arts school... So much bullshit.
Like one day we had to draw the same statue with a specific pencil.
One of my friend was skipping classes that day, so he asked our other friend to borrow his drawing for evaluation...
You know what happened?
With the exactly same drawing, he got better marks.
To me it appeared that the teachers will also judge your art based on what you look like, how they feel about you.
And that was one story among many others...
No freedom either... So many rules to follow to please them...
Did not feel like I was truly expressing myself
exactly what happened to me !
@ThiccHicc I am genuinely concerned that THAT is all you got from their story.
@ThiccHicc Bullshit! They actually have skill (it might need refining, but it's not like total novices attend art-school normally) but art-teachers tell them "TO HELL WITH SKILL, we'll teach you to sell bullshit for top dollar! We don't want your skill, come on bullshit is soooooo much better (and easier to make!)"
@ThiccHicc He literally said that his friend used his other friend's drawing for the evaluation. It was the EXACT same drawing but one got better marks.
Or the professor realized what was going on and decided to give you an indirect lesson...
I had a conversation with my mother when I was a child I said "anyone could do this it's really not that good" she just simply replied "but you are the one that's doing it if you didn't then nobody else might" to this day those words sunk in deeply I love my mom as deeply as those words.
Wow, those words are very simple and very deep. I am glad you appreciate your mother. Sending you guys a bit of love. Stay strong!
She was probably talking about her own art...
I absolutely love that! Thank you for sharing!!
In what context was the comment made as it dosnt make sense.
She (6 years old-ish) probably got her drawing complimented by her mom then got skeptic and decided to critcise her art to see if her mom would still love it. Her mother then told her "" which is the reason why she likes it, the end. I guess
my painting professor once was talking about how parents would go to her and say 'all my child draws is anime' and she said she responded with 'so? let them draw anime. art is about passion and individual meaning'
she encourages us to to find our own styles and be our own artist while also teaching us basic principals and getting us in touch with the old masters
That is a good teachter! Our art teacher are also very cool,
"individual meaning"...in a anime style? The irony.
Jon C I think you've made it obvious you don't know what individual meaning means.
The irony is just apparent.
it may be an anime/manga style, but every manga artist still has a different style, like a handwriting is unique to every person whilst we all learn to write the letters the same way
fast forward to 2019 a banana being taped onto wall is art
Sarah Wahid yes, it is
I had to search it up to see if it was real and WOW.
You are missing the point. That is exactly something those professors would say is art. With debate and discussion but they would say it's art. (Partly because it is.)
But I am mostly surprised by this story. I went to one of the top fine art schools in the US and that is something none of my professors would ever say. They wouldn't ever say "this isn't art" because they know what defines capital 'A' Art, is constantly changing and is almost even our job as artist to push it in a new direction.
But that's what those professors wanted. They wanted something that both referenced the last 150 years of art history while not looking like any of the art styles from the last 150 years of art. They 100% wanted a banana on a wall.
But that also doesn't make them right, that doesn't mean they have good taste or bad taste.
Honestly it mostly seems like they have a really bad teaching style, especially for art.
In the defense of the banana tape to the wall may I direct you to Art from about 100 years ago . "Fountain" by Marcel Duchamp, a urinal on a pedestal signed. The surrealist then do lots of other found art sculptures. This banana's sculptural style has been around for a hundred years, not just something we see as art in 2019.
@@NighttimeBird oh my girl reference?
@@LifeLostSoul quick correction:
The original "Fountain" was made by Elsa Von Freytag-Loringhoven, I think she deserves to be recognised.
Art teachers: Let loose and give in to chance
Also art teachers: your work has no meaning
Professor: What if I told you that stuff wasn't Art?
Artist: What if I told you "I don't care"?
Professor: What if I give you an F?
@@shunixie Artist: What if i got you fired?
Tami Mari
A professor getting fired for being terrible at their job? Have you ever been to a college campus?
@@gavinriley5232 a teacher should not ever put personal bias when teaching or Grading, you can be fired for purposefully marking someones grade wrong
Mackayla Cook
I have personally been kicked out of a class in college because of ideological differences between me and the professor. I was not rude and I was not interrupting. I was simply asking questions that could not be answered in their ideological framework and they kicked me out for it.
This is the one thing I hate about art...I’m studying art and I love realism. My teachers want me to go abstract, but abstract art doesn’t interest me or stimulate my feelings in any way (although some abstract art is interesting and it really depends on personal preference). People try too hard to convey a deep message, whilst not caring about making a pretty picture or really that much about the message itself, only that there is one. I often had to force projects and pretend that I liked the artists my teachers would assign to me. The subject of Art is no longer about expressing your own personal preference, and that makes me really sad...
A J l thats so bizarre, usually I hear they push for the other way around... 😓
Jules Juno 😪😪😪
I'm sorry to hear you had to force projects. But I do somewhat agree with the "professor's", just making a pretty picture doesn't make substantial art. An artwork needs to carry depth and feeling to stand out from the endless ocean of shallow works that we are made every day. I won't say that pretty pictures aren't art, the dilemma is just that when making a picture with only an esthetical appease it doesnt reflect the creator or his intricate mindset, leaving the painting to be just that: a painting. Especially with the introduction of the camera the function of capturing reality in a realistic manner is no longer a niche of the art world, so art schools want you to create your artistic style that sepperates you from anyone that knows how to work photoshop.
Floris Bakker oh no I completely agree with you! Of course a pretty picture is not all that matters in art...It should be a reflection of you and your subject, and should express or evoke some feeling! I guess I just don’t like people forcing messages onto art and making them seem deeper than what they had really intended? (I’m not sure if that makes sense’:) Also, professors can be very hypocritical in their approach to your art... I have two art teachers and they both always oppose each others views. One teacher loves and supports my project, and the other hates it🤷♀️ Art is in the eye of the beholder, but it doesn’t seem fair to judge projects like that...
@@dapromasta That's the problem to me: EVERY painting is just a painting, regardless of how intricate or creative or original it is. In the end it's purely a matter of opinion. It is for the public to decide if something stands out or not.
I remembered when i was in studying in art school, there was a sculpting class. The assignment was to make a humanoid sculpture out of resin and fiber glass.
I remembered that i thought to myself "what does this art professors goin to like" instead of making what i wanted to make. So i made a pregnant woman sculpture with missing limbs cuz why not, then made up a bs about how it represents life itself or whatever. The professor like it, gave me a decent grade. But in hindsight, what was the point of art if its only to fit in a box those art professor hold onto.
Absolutely all of school is fitting into boxes for professors….that’s literally the point. When one is a student they forget that this professor isn’t going to be grading their work for the rest of their life. It’s just a hurdle you are passing. You will be free to do what you want your whole life. The professor is there to offer what they have. You don’t have to like it, you can be bitter about it, you won’t be the first and you won’t be the last. You’re just the next. There’s a reason for the saying “education is wasted on the young.”
I laughed at your "cuz why not" lmaoo 😂
"Anybody could do that,, really? Being able to make watercolor look like digital is something anybody can do?!
not anybody , but many people can
Like Laovaan? Not many.
Sex me pls and many people sew but that does not make them a designer 😑 and please them how many people paint like him? I have not seen any.
If you think about it if anyone can draw like this then anyone can create those abstract pictures too becasue all you have to do is to learn the technique and then show some of your thought and etc - since we all can learn and all of us can think anyone can become artist. But the point is that not everyone is willing to and that's why comment "Anybody can do that" is always true or always false depends if you look at possibility or already exsisting situation...
anyone get what I'm trying to say? ;u;
doesn't change the fact that Laovaan's work is amazing and generally speaking most of the people don't have skills to draw like this.
1) a designers don't even sew , tailors does that.
2)www.pinterest.com/pin/461196818070122634/ and there are plenty of pages like that one
3) sorry if there are any writing mistakes ,I'm italian
You should have attended a school with illustration major, they would have pushed you in the direction you want, if your school is pure fine art then it's all about what's considered "high art" or gallery pieces.
Which has been proven to be in itself, a great mafia.
Alkaid probably every creative field has a Hollywood-like monopoly group... But would like to know more about it... Any recommendations?
We live in an ugly and often sordid world, but not all is ugly, so I prefer to buy or paint beautiful things, landscapes, people, I prefer realism to abstract, so I paint or draw people realistically, my landscapes look like real places. If that is not considered art, too bad, that is what satisfies my soul. I like this painting of yours very much , the colours are lovely and it IS pretty, but in my eyes that is not a bad thing.
Hey hey hey buddy. Im sorry nobody has let you into this. But. Why don't u literally google something pretty. Or use this device call a camera. Sorry u spent all those hours sitting there when u could've gotten the same thing (probably better quality) in one second.
@@quackyduck5570 first of all, a painting is much more personnal than a photograph. When you see a painting you can see every brush stroke and avery hours that the artist has poured into it. And creating something beautiful by your own hands is much more satisfying than just looking at a beautiful picture. For exemple I'm absolutely shit at drawing, but I've been trying to get better and even though none of my drawings could be considered pretty, I still find some of them very nice just because I made them my self and I've surpassed myself.
@@rachelt1530 I never said that I said it was more personnal
@@quackyduck5570 you sound like what I meant when I said an ugly and sordid world, oh and by the way I am also a pretty experienced amateur photographer. I got into photography when I first started painting in watercolours (how I started with painting), I wanted to paint landscapes and architecture from my own photos and experiences and I have achieved some recognition.
"Ugly and sordid" take a pic pro it'll last longer. You shouldn't be talking at all in the first place, cuz we are rwplying to *your* comment. Dont add a very opinionated comment and expect that no one is allowed to argue their view. Your not the king or something.
If you want something personal why don't you express yourself on canvas instead of literally copying. This isnt truly "personal" since you aren't putting any of your own personal and complex human thought into it, you are just copying. This doesnt serve a function except the way it looks. It stops right at "oh. Its *insert a thing*. Great okay why do i gaf it has nothing special or any emotion i'll just google it when i get home." That's the same thing as a picture. Its really superficial to praise something based on looks. And many abstract arts are heavily based on "strokes and texture". It just doesn't look like anything recognizable and you are just too ignorant to at least try looking at the meaning it's trying to convey instead of dismissing it. One reason they remove all recognizable form: to isolate their personal experience and meaning, it can be quite beautiful, in looks and emotion.
So if your so hung up on "personal" and pretty things stop attacking modern art and stay in your lane so you don't encounter more "sordid" places your majesty.
It’s weird that they can’t really say it’s “bad art” so they’re just saying it’s not art at all. It sounds like the art you’re making just isn’t the art they’re teaching. It just depends on what your goals are and what you want to learn.
I had almost the exact same experience at art university here in the United States. Beautiful was a dirty word, illustrative was too. I learned quickly freshman year that the art I was doing wasn't acceptable and started making abstract BS for most of my classes. Then junior year I got sick of it and started painting what I wanted to paint : beautiful woman with flowers and fairy dust. It was not taken well... I was told that my art wasn't relevant and that instead of painting my version of Shakespeare's Ophelia I should try a more modern interpretation. It was around the time of Micheal Jackson's death and my teacher said why don't I try painting Micheal as Ophelia... 😑 I tried my best to stick to my guns and my grades suffered for it. Well now I'm about 5 years out and the only person I know from my year who is still regularly making art and making a living from it. My jewelry was also bashed in the jewelry courses I took there and now my jewelry makes up half of my income. My advice to young artists is to really investigate the schools you are interested in. What kind of work are their students doing, what do you see in the school galleries and what are their alumni doing? If you paint in a realistic manner and are looking to grow and increase your skills and technique, understand that the majority of art school professors are not going to be able to help you. Skill, technique, and rendering ability is not valued at these schools. It's all about concept and political and social statements. Do your research before giving your money away. Don't make the same mistake I did. I guess it's nice to have a bachelor degree but I would have much rather enjoyed studying history (my other passion) over spending 4 years of my life feeling ashamed of my art.
Kamille Yes yes And yes
Puddin Tater Thanks so much! 💜
Totally agree! Great work!
Kamille I was just checking out your work and you got nice stuff there! Regarding your comment I wanted to point out 2 things: First, I understand your point when you say you are the only one from your class that continues making art and actually making a good profit from it. But remember, the fact that it sells doesn't necessarily means that it's good art, not even that it's art. An example I always say when discussing this (as a film student that I am) is the fast and furious series: A HUGE comercial success but just cheap entertainment taken to the big screen: Plain characters, empty and irrelevant dialogs, cliche situations etc. People go to the movie theater, have somewhat of a good time and forget about the movie after watching it for the rest of their lives (they consume the product and then they throw it away ). Art, in any of its forms, always trascends in time and moves something inside the person that appreciate it. My second comment is that one of the problems(and I think this is where the dogmatic point of view of profs rejecting this kind of art comes from) with this kind of "beautiful/pretty" illustrations is that they tend to be just that, pretty. So you look at the pic, say wow, this dude has some skills, beautiful drawing, and then just move on (something like what happens with fast & furious, but with the difference that making this illustrations actually requires some serious skills). The picture doesn't tell you something or convey a particular feeling, doesn't tell you a story nor recreates a concept, it isn't shocking nor overwhelming. It's empty, and that might even make it kind of boring. The thing Is that profs where kind of douches for just telling him that his work isn't art. Because it might perfectly be. They should instead advice him to continue with his style but trying to add some depth to his artwork, or something like that. Anyway, that's just my point of view that art most have a meaning and convey emotions in the public at the same time, but I might be completely wrong so who knows? Everybody should just continue doing their art
one dislike... damn it the teacher found his channel.
The entire art department of his university found him now
lmao!
Lady Bolton 35 dislikes, actually.
Lady Bolton
all the dislikes are probably from art teachers or prople that dont apreciate the freedom art offers..
Well art is freedom.. STUDING and classes are not. When youa re in a class you need to udnerstand all classes of any subject are within a boundary. Imagine you were in a classic music class and you appear with a completely different genre of music? You need a VERY VERY good reasoning to not be under critic.
Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I went to school for art as well. I found that when I did things I liked - detailed and exciting to my mind, I was derided as a hack. I was told by my pottery instructor, that my cat creamer was so beautiful that it would fit right in at the Franklin Mint (i.e. commercial garbage). When I did my relief sculpture for sculpture classes, I was told that it wasn't free enough and was far too constrained. When I did my drawings for drawing class, I was told that I wasn't loose enough and it looked forced. I became so irritated, I thought of bringing in garbage off the street and gluing it down onto a piece of cardboard "as a thought on the Americanized food and waste culture." So I talked to my sculpture prof about it and do you know what he said? "I think that's a great idea!" That was when my heart bottomed out and my passion for art school left. It took me YEARS to understand that art isn't what these people say it is... it's EXACTLY what you said in the video... it is when someone considers it to be art.
What you are doing is BEAUTIFUL and if any of these people tell you it's not art, you can tell them to shove it (very politely of course) because guess what? It may not be some multi-million dollar selling painting that looks like you flung paint everywhere and somehow you get worshippers (yes, I'm talking about Pollock), but you can get hired doing animation for a studio. You can get hired drawing manga for the THOUSANDS of people who love it. You can get hired doing comic books. You can get hired doing concept art for video games, automobile manufacturers... in other words... ***you can make money before you die doing the very thing that makes your heart happy and that you love to do.***
They folded me for a long time and broke my spirit 20 years ago. Don't let them do it to you. Keep doing what you love. There IS a market for it, it IS art, and NO... not everyone can do what you do. One of the funniest things I ever heard during the time I earned my eventual degree in English was, "People only become critics because they can't make the art." Every time I hear one of these professors snapping a spirit in half, I simply think to myself... "And that, my friend, is why you are teaching and not riding high on top of the art world... if you were a screaming success... you wouldn't be here."
You should give inspirational speeches. I LOVED this comment.
those people are mean and ignorant...they dont know art really....art supposed to be self expression...not others interpretation
Madamegato, it broke my heart when I read they affected "your spirit" and took you years to know it had NOTHING to do with your talent, creativity and potential!! You are correct, dear!! How do I know?? I taught and fought with these type of "so called" teachers nearly 40 years.
Heres what I know. True. Teaching ONLY because they are "wanna be" artists. If hey had talent they lacked courage to "put themselves out there". They aren't "called" to teaching, to help others, to acknowledge/thrilled that some students will exceed them!!
Oh, NO..my belief...this so called "teaching" (i.e. criticizing creative young artist) feeds their perverted egos which enable them to rationalize their fear, their lack of courage, creativity, and love of people, love of Art..
Ive witnessed these teachers gathering together to defend their "critical eye", put down those who will excel above their abilities, knowledge and justify/rationalize doing so..
They lie to each other/to themselves while doing the COMPLETE opposite of TRUE Instructor..
First clue you're teacher is "a fraud"?? You begin by losing confidence, you doubt what you KNOW is good, is talent, is uniquely yours! Finally, they break your spirit, your confidence!
I'm so sorry. I'm VERY proud that you did eventually understand! Some never will...
It's criminal in my opinion. It's one of the worst sin against people...
When will we quit hiring people who are not teachers?? Sadly majority are like yours...
Very well said. 😍 thank you for this.
That was an beautiful and incredibly wise advise
😒 *So much YES! I had the same experience with my first art professor. Shape, texture, line, color, etc., was all there and yet her response was a deep sigh and then "Does this **_move_** you?".*
😐 *I quickly got fed up and went rogue. My highest scored work? An abstract painted in ink of a photo taken of a bucket full of aborted fetuses in the hallway of an abortion clinic. It was featured in the student art gallery that semester and I was praised by said professor when a few parents complained about it because, as she had said, "it **_moved_** them to speak" and apparently that is what art is supposed to do. (Shock and appall people?) 🤦🏻♀️ Smh...*
Some artists do use shock/sensationalism as a way to generate interest in their work. I'm sorry you had to do that but you just showed them that it's not harder or better to do something that your teachers approve! :) So now you can just say that was easy and walk away to do what you want :)
Girl you couldn’t be more right
Bitter stories about art professors are as common as these days as pretty soft watercolors of aesthetic girls with no expression. Don’t go to opera school if you want to sing Taylor swift.
@@bm4114 I don't get it. Are supporting her or what?
@@geet6797 He's clearly not, he's saying these pretentious hack art teachers are opera to her taylor swift. And apparently pretty soft watercolors and aesthetics are bad, so he's one of those idiots who think ugliness is the ideal. I imagine he likes period blood smeered about on canvas or something.
Yep, screw that university. Your work is immaculate. I'd love to buy this exact piece you're drawing, or any I've seen in this video. Great work man!
imagine putting your students down because it doesnt fit your standards even though everyones art is different
Some think that putting other down, raises them up.
The truth is raise the lower waters and you will rise with the tide.
@animee What? How did he go rouge exactly?
@@thenurseinblack1810 because he wasn't applying what the professors taught, you are able to see things from both perspectives... right?
@@thenurseinblack1810 also not much if all manga is sold in a gallery, manga isn't fine art
@@phillop6076 Oh okay makes sense. Honestly didn't eat the video. Did he say that or just context?
When I started to study art, I did everything they wanted. But I stopped drawing on my free time. The reason why? The competitive and envious enviroment with classmates, the requirement to change what I liked and turn it into what professor approved. Results? I felt very depressed, I didn't enjoy drawing anymore, every line I drew was surrounded by negative criticism. It took me 2 years after I've finished to start drawing and painting again. Art must imply love. Market it's never about love, is about money. I recovered, I became a better artist and I enjoy drawing again, but not thanks to those teachers or their ungly stardards.
Thanks for sharing your story... I admire your ‘tolerance/strength’
Exactly. Criticism should be done with careful consideration. Otherwise you could discourage a person from doing something. From the few years i did art, one thing i learned is that you can be easily discouraged if you're stuck in a class with a teacher who has the wrong approach.
Your art professors did nothing but to kill art.
Criticism that leads to discourage AND actual discouragement are what makes me useless right now, no skill whatsoever, and I'm not just talking about art.
I feel you!!
There was these people in my secondary days who told me I can’t draw this and those and that I cannot and should not draw or present that artwork because they don’t understand it. Hence, i stopped practicing. But now, in 2018, I’m trying to get back....
Just replace "art school" with "film school" and this was almost exactly my experience.
All school is this way. It’s sort of the point of school. I swear to god education is wasted on the young.
@@bm4114 I love how you just use that phrase verbatim across multiple comments as if it makes you superior to those rightfully pointing out an issue in overly intellectualising art (this is coming from someone that is into all sorts of art, particularly dadaism). No one is arguing school isn't that way in general but that plays into the broader topic of the problem with school/academia in our capitalist society.
You are part of society and are no better nor worse than the people complaining about issues in academia such as this, education is not wasted on the young, absolute trite.
Perhaps get another stock phrase that you can regurgitate like an npc or maybe be more original than bootlicking the broken education system.
I am no artist, but the way I see it - every artist has his own ideas, style and ways to express their art. Duty of universities is to teach a wide range of means of how this could be done. And by no means this should be focused on one kind of "type" of true art. Students should be encouraged to pick their own form of expression and as well as market where they are looking to work with.
Totally agree- that would be an ideal school! I also notice that not only do trends but change over time, but different countries can have different approaches too (I guess the environment and society has a big impact despite more globalisation) - I noticed big differences between general perceptions about what looks pleasant in Europe, NZ and Japan. I love his definition that art is art if you define it as art :)
Perfectly said .
This is 👏👏👏
Academically, the courses in college & university attempted to produce a wide range of artists, & while it's hard to become an extremely unique individualistic artist like Picasso & Da Vinci, their objective to produce artists with such value still stands. And that's what university is for, to bring that value up, so it is for the artist to find one unique trait that becomes one's special trademark, like Picasso did for instance.
This just makes me want to be an art teacher and actually encourage my students about their passion.I wanna be the one that won’t try to force everyone.I wanna be a good example.I want to show them that its okay to be yourself.I want to make a good impact on their art career.
Aldrich Lycan I’m probably going to be an art teacher. I want to get a PhD in fine arts
I have endorsement and MA but most art teachers teach 30 minutes each class to k - 12 to a small set of standards. I have seen good art teachers in schools but I feel conventional schools are too restricting. There are many people taking off teaching unconventional art who are self taught. Why did I spend all that money?
Yes please, my high school art teacher changed my life all around! Then my art professor ruined it few years after...
Become a high school art teacher. It's the only place in that student's studies where you can really impact that.
@@rachelt1530 This is a point I just made on this thread. How do you feel the professor ruined things for you? I'm very interested in this as I'm a high school art teacher.
If you're doing FINE ART, then teachers will have a beef with something like this. This is more in line with ILLUSTRATION. That is, you use your skill / talent to produce a specific piece of art from a brief or a set description, something that might serve a purpose commercially or express a specific message.
Fine artists, especially uppity ones, HATE illustrators. They call us "colouring in technicians". When I was at Uni, the Fine Art teachers actually told me to leave and go take illustration instead, as it more suited my style. Best advice I ever got. At the end of the day, each to their own. But as far as "colouring in technicians" went, all I know is that in the life room, I used to draw super accurate and realistic pictures of the model in all poses in 20-25 minutes, while the "fine art" students struggled to even make their sketch look human, and i embarrassed even the fine art teachers in most life class sessions.
Don't take it to heart. Just draw / paint what you are interested in and if it makes people happy, then it's a bonus. Concentrate on developing your skill. It will all come right in the end.
yes
I love how your story has karma
Exactly this, I wanted to go for Illustration as my work was more in line with that style but decided to try Fine Art instead, which was mostly just talk and no walk considering techniques, shading or colour schemes. It was a loss of tuition money.
TheVanillatech your realistic sketches have no value in the art world. This is something I learnt when I was 13. Realism and realistic and beautiful sketches can be done by MILLIONS of people. Concepts, ideas and stories on the other hand can not be done by many people. Instead of being bitter about the fact that you’re basically a glorified photocopier, maybe try to develop Creative thinking.
@@sv4773 Learned* Now lets debate. Actually, I consider myself an averagely good artist. In my lifetime of 30 years I have met a few dozen people (and I mean met in real life...) who could match or exceed my drawing. I put it to you that I could absolutely DESTROY almost everyone you ever met (not know, but MET ... one time) in terms of rendering a realistic drawing of anything. Of course I could. You say millions of people can do it? I say how many do you know? I was the second best artist at my school of 900 children. Since then, due to the best drawer taking a different career path, I am now easily the best. It is a rare talent. Any idiot can spew lines and colour on a canvas, my 7 year old could do it when she was 3. Any idiot can learn to click on the right buttons on a computer program to apply filters. Can they draw? Do they understand line? Of course not. So please, rest yourself. Talent and hard work. Chopping onions. Thats the only way. Just to think though, imagine how amazing I could be if I used the cheats too? XD But I don't have to. If I did, would that make me a "better" artist? Or someone who could draw AND click buttons.....
By the way, I have been illustrating childrens books for 11 years now. Maybe one day when your kids come to reading age, they'll be illuminated by those images. Cheers son! Keep practicing. It's the only way forward! XD Or just ... keep splatting that paint. Maybe one day you'll splat it in a pleasing way! XD
hmmmm
I like what Oscar Wilde says about art in The Picture of Dorian Gray:
"We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless."
Oscar Wilde is a writer, but he recognizes that art is 'useless'. This is not a bad thing--it means art is meant to be admired. He was part of the aesthetic movement and believed that it is good to admire things for their aesthetic beauty. Your art is very beautiful. I am sure Oscar Wilde would agree. :)
This segment was more of a comment on how society views vanity and beauty rather than a comment on fine art.
I think art still has value and purpose, at least when it comes to illustrations, storytelling and design. But I get what you're saying :)
I flunked art in school.
Now I make a living off it.
You make a living at flunking art school, FUCK BRO...
I failed an art class in high school because I dont like being told what to draw or paint. I just cant create something if I dont want to. So I did my own things. Eventually and surprisingly she started grading me off of what I'd do and ended up acing.
simon centeno damn this man is a legend
Gh0st Chili my art teacher last year has this thing we’d do in the mornings where she’d put up an idea or word and we had to draw, paint, sketch or doodle what it meant to us or as a whole
Ismaiel Cummings see now that’s a great art class project! Using actual creativity instead of solid rules! I wish we had that back in my day
If mangas aren't art then why are there drawings of Jojos at the Louvre
Nani?
Ara ara~
Saying manga isnt art is muda.
*chuckle*
@@ponylover2206 you will never arrive at the truth.
I've had a teacher in high school that said manga was not art, that I should stick to drawing haida art. why? because I am haida. I gave up learning the way of haida art and put all my work into manga. 28 years old now and I found love in both, all cause a man told me that no matter what I draw that is haida art(cause it's drawn by a haida). I started to learn on how to create haida art, but mix with manga.
Manga in that style would look awesome!
God, it felt good to listen another person talking about it! I had almost the same experience, but with literature, and I’m Brazilian. I feel like, despite what professors claim, their vision of what is Art (or Literature) is still very limited by what is on trend. Nowadays, the trend is inquisitive Art, critical Art, disturbing Art, aggressive, violent Art. They’re trying to negate what has been done in past centuries, when Art was made to enchant, to marvel, to be breathtakingly beautiful. So now they automatically reject anything and everything that’s easy to like, easy to understand. To be considered realist, Literature now has to agree with all those nihilist philosophers. To be considered valuable, visual art must be ininteligible to common people.
They’re wrong.
Happiness exists, hope exists, beauty exists, Good still exists on this world. Happy Art, beautiful Art, hopeful Art, calm, soothing Art is still Art. There’s SO MUCH emotion in your paintings! The fact that they couldn’t see all the feelings and personality you put in your work is just disgusting. Your professors are DEAD WRONG, and future generations will see that, one day.
When my aunt was in high school, she took art class. She would work her ass off on her paintings and pictures, yet none of them were to the liking of her teacher. "Put more personality" "use more colour" "be abstract" etc. etc.
Well, there came this one piece of work that she absolutely poured her heart into; she worked on it for days and probably weeks. And she was so, so proud. When she turned it in, the teacher did something to it (I don't quite remember), I think she wrote on it or something, ON THE PIECE ITSELF, telling her some bullshit like to use more colours and and shit.
Obviously, my aunt was FURIOUS. But she just went to the back of the classroom and spent probably 5 to 10 minutes working (bullshitting) on this bright ass rainbow flower. She turned it in--got an A+ on it.
yeah that's pretty normal in art school it teaches you to not get to attached to your artwork.
Rayann Midkiff holy shit So i had an english class once and we were doing a unit of "advanced poetry" where we had to write a long poem that told a story but did it in such a way that it wasnt a story. We were asked to illustrate a scene from our poem and I spent weeks writing it and I did a water color piece of Alice and the Cheshire Cat since my poem was about their relationship and my interpretation of what it could have been and was. in bold red sharpie my teacher wrote Good Job in the smack dab middle of the painting
Ugh yeah teachers are like that 😑 once, near the end of the school year, my Language Arts teacher gave us a project involving art. I had spent so much time on this realistic drawing of a cat since it relates to the book but the teacher only gave me a B- because it "looked like it didn't take much effort and wasn't colorful enough" while my friend pretty much bullshitted their project but got a 100% 😑 you just gotta be able to appreciate ourself and try not let other's evaluations get you down even if they're really pissing you off 😬
I had the same experience in Art class. It's all on what bullshit back story is associated with the piece from my experience. That's when a Highschool teacher sees value in your work.
thedistillers27 I've long said you could sell a turd on a plate to an art museum as long as you can give them a story behind it.
Profesors cannot judge what is and what isnt art. Many of them are frustrated unsuccessful artists themselves. But success alone cannot define anything also.
True.
Low Key What else? But the worst kind of them all are critics and theoreticians. 90% of them are unsuccessful artists also. They suck the blood of true artists. Majority of them.
Ivan Buljan Van Boelken honestly I feel like some professors are jealous because they weren’t as good at that age or still don’t have those skills
Christina C Nicely said
@@MyChristi123 Say whatever you want but most of the art teachers have better understanding of fundamentals and these things never change. Teachers shove fundamentals in the face and if you dont learn them you will get where you want to be slower. I agree they shouldn't tell people what is art but saying someone is jealous of you because they don't think the way you do is stupid. Sry for my english, Im pretty bad 😅
This reminds me of the sponge bob episode in which squidward tries to make spongebob bad at art in order to make himself feel better.
Jesus my you please end my life?
I call it, bold and brash.
Jesus Christ YES!!! THIS
Whitney Dahlin NO!!! THAT
Jesus Christ Exactly!!
The method you mention your teachers trying is "breaking the will". They want you to temporarily stop your usual style so they can teach you other methods/styles. There was one kid in our illustration class that had a distinct style. Our teacher finally had enough and shouted "Do you plan to work in this industry because if you do, you must become flexible!" The kid argued back but the instructor then snapped "if you are so in love with your style, then why are you in my class?". The kid dropped the instructor's class. I hate to say it but it was then the harshness that my style was met with made sense. My instructors wanted us to understand realism before going into something stylized...and it really helped my style to learn anatomy and proportions and shading.
But I didn't always agree with their method...like my watercolor instructor painted landscapes with his paint as thick as mud (which i felt defeated the purpose of using watercolors. His style was more appropriate for acrylic, oil, or gouache) and he hated that i painted soft watercolor portraits. I simply ate the grade on that class.
Other classes, i fought like hell to "get"/"understand" the assignments.
I think your instructors are just trying to break your style out of you so they can teach you other styles/techniques. Or trying to weed you out- can you take the criticism? The art world is full of critics.
It happens in other school departments like pre-med. Not everyone has the strength or focus to be a doctor so they start weeding them out early. Also the sciences, it's usually organic chemistry that weeds out the"weak".
If you know for certain you want an art degree, be prepared for lessons that contradict your sense of "art" and know you can always go back to your style :) there was a huge conflict of what was art in my art school. If it was emotional, messy, painted or drawn it was "art" and belonged on the 3rd floor. If it was tightly drawn or digitally enhanced, like your work, that was the illustrators on the 2nd floor. They didn't do art, they did "illustrations". A few of us were between floors but that was the tradition. So it could be your instructors are trying to break you into one school of art or another.
Personally i find your work gorgeous and "what is art?" Does indeed change over time and fads. I hope you are getting the praise you deserve!
Hearing that part about the professor using watercolor thickly killed my soul. I love watercolor for the exact reason that it is thin like water, and just a drop of paint goes a long way. I can't imagine anyone using the medium like acrylics or oils ('cept for James Gurney, he uses watercolor with gouache like gouache).
This comment is the tea. Countless students completely miss the point of education this is why they say education is wasted on the young. So busy trying to rebel that they forget to grow. School isn’t forever, take what you can, and move on. All I know is that I’ve met some pretty bitter folks who are in their forties and still mad that their professor wouldn’t let them draw in more pop styles, it’s sad.
Present this video as an art 🖼 project to them.
Good one!
now that WOULD be art. I am serious.
This. They cannot debate it.
Savage.
"Too commercial and tacky"
I have never understood why art is considered academic and could possibly fit into a structured model... art history is understandably academic. Painting and drawing can only really be taught to develope basic technique, and anything further often takes years of unlearning untill the person finds their own style.
I really like your words , i agree with the unlearning part!!
I studied photography at a private art school. I always got on well with most of my teachers and the faculty. However, my work was highly criticized by quite a few of my fellow students and classroom critiques could be difficult, specifically in one particular class where both the professor and the students didn't like my work. I was highly encouraged to not photograph people, although my main focus in photography was portraiture. Every week I had to hear how my work was mediocre at best and that I was lacking in talent. But I knew that portraiture was my passion and I took all critique with a grain of salt. Eventually, due to other reasons, I dropped out of the school but found myself with a portfolio I felt strongly about and ended up working with some of the best and most influential modeling agencies in the world. I believe art to be a free world of opinion, your work can be loved, hated, and even ignored. However, we are all capable of forging our own path, in spite of the negative views of the professionals/critics. Stay true to your creative voice and you'll find your place in the art world and feel fulfilled.
And by the way, the work you showed in this video was beautiful.
so true!
I finished a BA in Photography and received similar feedback. Except i took my lecturer's feedback on or at least I should have in one case..
For my end of year project, as most of my projects were. Documentary or reportage. And my lecturers kept saying "take people's portraits.." and i kept fooling myself into thinking "i don't need this.. I'm documenting the area, and the architecture." when it came to the end of the project. Even though the project was fine.. It was lacking the portaits. They knew it, and I knew it..
I think, even though you seem to have done well and that.. I think you should maybe take more advise like the advise given to you, even though it disagrees with you.
Its like the next project i have planned is a very very fine art, studio based, and high concept. And completely different to anything i've ever done before.
And i'm going to document it, and really ask for feedback. As again. A new style of photography, and asking for feedback. Both of those things will really put me out of my comfort zone. I must cross the rubicon on this one.
OMG this is stunning ART :D But I agree, "art is in the eye of the beholder". I hade a similar problem in a photo class, my photos wouldn't be considered art, because I quote my teacher "You are not a known artist and I hade no meaning behind my picture" I always thought of that as funny, because I spent every class explaining the meaning behind the photo, on a deeper level :P
to all the other artists out there reading this: Never, and I mean NEVER give up on your art. Your personality, dreams, ideas are all portrayed by your creations, and for someone to tell you that's not good enough- who are they to say that? You bring into this world what you like. What you are. Who you are. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise 💙
Aww thanks man.
Like they said NEVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS!
thank you. I'm still learning how to draw/paint stuff other than hearts and roses.......... oh, and animals to a certain point. - all I can do well. - ........... doesn't help that I'm self-learning and not in art school. ^^;
Cara Leigh Thank you, this actually really motivated me to start drawing again ❤
Too late. I stopped drawing in my journal because a fellow student badgered me to pay attention to them, not my sketch of him.
Ugh this really bugs me because In my opinion, art is an expression; there is no right or wrong, as there will always be time to learn and improve. After all, art is not about what other people want, it is simply the creation of something that formed from a thought, idea or picture you had in mind.
Exactly!
Iolanthe Komorebi exactly... there was a one time where I painted something, my teacher said she couldn't understand my art and I thought to myself. 'It's not about the simplest objects or to make out what you draw, it's about the passion that radiates and brings your art piece to a better perspective."
I went to a joint arts and technology high school so of course, If u were an art student, you learned different movements of art and ish like that. I'm telling you, those art kids were a little bit stuck up to judge on what was or wasn't art. Anime for example, wasn't art to them. Shame on them, I thought art was suppose to be about expression; creativity!
REChronic54 agreed! People these days just doesn't seem to appreciate anything if they don't understand what it is.
Art is anything which evokes an emotion in the viewer. Be it negative or positive, it stirred something deep down in another person. That is ART. Every artist dreads his production being seen as neutral, for it has neither a neg or pos upon the viewer
Your are your own Market. The fact that your not interested in fitting into any of the already established markets is proof of your artistic brilliance!! Your work is amazing to me just the way it is.
Fitting into the artistic market is the easiest way to ensure you won't make a living as an artist. If you draw something everyone else does, you won't stand out.
Lots of people do watercolor portraits. In art, it seem like everything has been done before. I think Laovaan stands out for a few reasons. He's got a really innate color sense and his pieces, while beautiful, also have some emotion to them. These are things that can't always be taught and come from the spirit of the artist.
Sounds like art university is big giant waste of money.
Now we know how parents feel when their children said "i want to go to art school"
Well...maybe it was a waste when it comes to technical skills, but having a degree could open up a lot of doors-whether the university taught him anything or not.
co ri why would fine art be a waste?
It is, you can find many tutorials and guides online that are actually competent of which some of them are for free and even if you buy the paid ones you're still cheaper off than if you went to college or uni for it. Literally could work a Mc Donald's job while improving at art.
If you want to produce trash like this yea, dont go to art school lol
I loved hearing your story. It's sad but it's the truth. In high school I was a stop student in art every teacher would compliment me and make me believe I could do something with art of course after high school everything changed my teachers broke me down. They hated every "pretty picture" i made. The skills I learned over all the years where useless. All they wanted was something abstract or things like modern art. I managed to get through one 1 year. But decided to quit. Before all of this art was my love and passion. Now its the source my stress..... I haven't painted something I loved in a year.... I only worked to please my teacher's and after that I was to tired to paint for me. I want to love art again I want to make art that I love again and right now art school is the reason I can't do it. So I'm quitting not because I give up on art but because I don't want to give up on my art.
Agree...i hate a modern art too..that art has no feeling n i don't like it...i love art like vinatge or something lovely
In the same boat, dude.
Be a rebel and create until you find your flow. That is what I am going to do too. Be a creative radical lol!
I sympathise a lot with your struggle and circumstances. I’m not an artist, but I had a similar experience with writing fiction. I used to love it, and would love writing a whole lot of pulpy stories to have fun and continuously flex my writing muscles to work towards where I wanted to be.
Between normal high school and the start of VCE, however, the script flipped on me and all of a sudden I was doing everything wrong, and for the next two years I struggled and floundered to keep my grades just high enough to escape to study science. For almost five years I couldn’t bring myself to even look at my once beloved hobby, not without feeling sick and antsy. I’ve only just begun to be able to write as a hobby once more, and I can see how much I’ve lost, but at least I am now excited to continue making progress once more, and am learning to fall back in love with the craft.
You don't need criticism to be an artist. There will still be someone who would appreciate your craft. You don't do paintings or sculptures for your art professors and mentors, you do it for you.
It's kind of sad to see all that people judging art as if it were trash. For me, art is something that creates an emotion, be it anger, admiration or happiness. I found many people worrying too much about techniques, but for me, they are just a tool to let you express what you want.
I think many people undervalues manga art because they think is a silly cartoony thing that has no work on it. I've seen several documentaries about manga creation processes and I'm amazed by all the effort that is needed to complete one single page. Besides, the more you read, the more you realize the different styles and authors. I hope that one day, manga will be appreciated by scholars as well.
Btw, I love your portraits, no matter what. I can see a little part of you in each of them. You have all my support and admiration :)
One of my friends is an amazing mangaka, and it's amazing to see the talent and hard work she puts into everything she makes. I feel so sad when I hear that people don't think it is art because it shows how little they know about it and it degrades the people who make it.
Hi, I'm from Brasil, my english is not good, but I want tell you about the experience I had talking with an artist. We were discuting about what is art, and he told me a real artist has more than good skills, a real artist should break the edges of his own mind, his believes. We use here the expression "to think out from the box", if you know what I mean. So, you have wonderful skills, you know how to express yourself, now you need go out from the safe zone where your mind lives. I think it is what your professors want from you, do you understand? I love your work and your channel! Continue growing! Sorry my bad english🙃
that's your opinion man, familiarity has it's own value, and beauty is nothing to shy away from, why make some edgy looking shit smear when he can create a skilled masterwork like this.
Umiko Lunita manga it's the only art that makes me cry my heart out. When I look at those modern art things the only feeling that I get is "wtf"
I heard about a painting pig, whose works were taken to an art gallery without telling who made them. The people there were like "this expresses deep emotions of the artist" or "a picture of everyday's struggle" or the other usual shit people visiting galleries say to appear sophisticated. Then they were told the paintings were made by a pig.
Also, as a teacher, I'd rather see growth and confidence come from my students' work rather than accuracy. I want them to be happy about what they make😊
What are they working towards in terms of growth if not accuracy? Art should not be graded.
The problem is that you give the wrong feedback. His artwork isn't boring because he is using the wrong medium, or drawing techniques, or style, or colors. He simply forgot to ask what is the character doing, thinking and reacting to and so on. It's very boring when you tell nothing. It need to convey something, a feeling a story and so on. It's about posing. He simply forgot to pose the subject mater.
On the way home from my school now, we just had presentations and yup, every time I show something that is a little bit more “commercial art” they criticize it a lot... a little frustrating that what you love to make they never approve of😓
Don’t go to school for approval. That’s for kids and magnets and refrigerators.
I specialised in traditional landscape and battlescapes. Apparently they where not OrIgiNaL EnoUGh.
In other words you drew beautiful settings but it’s not art unless the professor finds it sufficiently edgy or purposefully bad enough.
@@feartheghus Exactly.
@TheBmo4538 I don't care about following trends or doing something new. Art should be something visually appealing first and for most. I learned in university that there isn't any point doing art if you yourself don't enjoy painting it. At that point it might as well be work at that point.
@TheBmo4538 Art doesn't have to have a deep meaning to be appreciated; Following your logic, A Literal turd that encapsulates the suffering of an ancient Idea and is the pinnacle in a new breed of artistic form should be held in higher stead than a Sprawling mural range that took 5 years to conceptualise and paint, but the fact that it doesn't "Mean anything" and doesn't "Channel the inner feelings of the painter" should be immediately cast out and Burned. This Superior view on art as a whole is what ruins is for the rest of us and prevents artists from just doing what they like.
@TheBmo4538 Oh so like the people who invented art didn't know what they were doing? Look and the Greeks, Romans, Egyptian etc. All their art are visually appealing. Go away with your delusion.
Art teacher on my school after I've shown her some anime drawings of mine:
"Eh, I don't know much about anime/cartoon drawings overall, my class focuses more on photorealistic art. You've worked really clean tho, except for here, smudged a bit. There would have been a slightly warmer blue been better bc color theory. Great art tho"
10/10 would talk to again
Art teachers are honestly idiots i have a mate who did an art degree which he didn't want to do but he had a legal requirement to do the course but anywho he would get images off goggle and change them up a bit he would spend maybe an hour or 2 changing things up and ha was getting high scores
@@bluehornet197 that's friggin art theft
@@soblub8634 a money art teachers are charging for their teaching time is theft... and in opposition to an art theft their theft have nothing to do with art.
@@HidekiShinichi um w h a t
@@alphen9487 taxes
I'd love to own a painting like this one. It's is truly beautiful.
Participation trophies means no one is a winner.
If all art is beautiful no art is beautiful.
@@IzThatit Wrong that's for comedy, either we can laugh at everything or nothing and their is some nasty art out there just saying.
Dat five head tho
@@asoingbob5322 go back to your rick Morty.
"This picture is not considered art in universities."
Meanwhile
University students: Yo what if I bring like, a chair, and say it's art in a very long fashion so it sounds legit.
Art professor: YOU PASS!!!
It makes me so sad that "true art" has seemingly only become modern and postmodern abstract art. While I'm sure abstract art has a lot of value and meaning to many people, there should also be room for traditional and visually pleasing art. There is this weird idea now that seems to be that art can't be pretty or beautiful to have meaning, which is so constricting to what artists can do if they want to be respected, and get their art in a museum or something. While I'm not an artist myself, I absolutely adore your style of art and there is so much feeling in your work!! Thank you for this wonderful video!!
modern art mostely done in 5 minutes, traditional art is years and years of dedication and training not to mention making a art piece that takes numourus hours. Traditional art is for me more value then modern art beceaus every 6 year old produce modern art.
and not to forget its proven, some people just hang 6 year old work between so called modern artists and nobody notice it. Even a guy for joke stood by a Fire extinguisher and looked at ii as he does with a art piece and the so called art snobs took pictures from it.
You are totally right. There are different styles of art because people have different tastes!! Artists that may not work in the same style as someone else are not any less talented. It's often the same in music, if it isn't classical music then it is not true music. Many people fail to see the talent in more modern musicians as well!!
I am an art student (modern art student) and I do semi-realism. My teachers often tell me I'm very esthetic, however my pieces are also known as the ones with the most meanings among the students hehe. Some picture that dont look very pretty have no meaning, and the opposite is true as well. People needs to stop judging everything and accept different visions.
lenore 1234 dude right! There's no pleasing professors now
I often find artworks for tabletop rpg, video games or book cover more palatable than "modern or abstract" art. And I find yours really beautiful.
Abstract Art is an excuse of people don't know how to draw a proper stick figure.
Digital arts, tabletop illustration are from professional artist with understanding of light sources, anatomy, shade, color blending.
Strannnge agreed ! Also what is important in art is idea. No one needs super realistic paintings/drawings (if you want that you can simply take a picture). Art is supposed to tell you something, has a deeper meaning, a story.
Not art: very carefully made piece that took hours upon hours of excruciating work.
Art: punches wall.
Not art: anything that you like to make or draw
Art: some gray area between abstract and not abstract 5aht the profs like
@@witherking97 you ever trynna find meaning or just see a colours and thinks thats ugly
@@timotejstrazovsky8101 both
THATS BECAUSE: Punching a wall is at least expressing self.
Not art: combination of skill and talent.
Art: Draw a penis with yelow acrylic on a black canvas
There is art of the heart, an there is art of the snob. You choose, your the one that has to live with it.
Is that it? There’s just two choices? Can I be non-binary?
I am just a painter at home, so never been to uni. But I think your painting is beautiful, and so would most people.
i was observing how you paint and it inspired me to actually paint for some reason
Me too
Me 3
Me too, but i am a lasy bum. I know I will not put in the energy, i can still enjoy your work. Nice.
"Art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder." I like what you created. Your application is flawless, the composition is on point, the color pallette isn't an obvious choice but you created something that captured the interest of all us that stopped to comment. Obviously,you are doing something right.
Michelle B Definitely agreed!!
Michelle B I agree. To add my own opinion to your comment: I don't understand diddly jack all about art technique or composition. I clicked on the video because the headline was catchy and the picture is beautiful. In my opinion his professor's perspective of art appears narrow minded, if what they value is so limited. (PS: is the abstract art they value post modern? As a genre).
Wonderfully said. The professor sounds like a pretentious snob, art is subjective and therefore anything and everything can be art!
then everyone could draw a stick man and get A+
Anything can be art, but that dosnt make it good....
there has to be some skill or talent or effort behind it
Hindu Goat, But the guy wasn't drawing stick figures and he also clearly has talent but the professors still give him a bad mark because they don't think it's art. i don't think that's fair at all...
This drawing, the colors you chose and the execution is STUNNING
This is the first video of yours that I've seen and I really appreciate you and your point of view. I like that you turned your frustration into something that you truly enjoy doing and to peacefully communicate your opinions to an audience. As a person who has lived around the RISD scene in the US, I totally empathize with the clashing of popular culture and the isolationism/elitism of the "High" Art World. Thanks for the video!
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Cole Belliveau-Girard well said
Chuy Saucedo, many thanks. ☺
Traditional art: it must be highly structured, realistic, and beautiful
Modern art: it must be highly random, abstract, and hideous
Studio Spider my teacher told me that, makes me hate art because I have to paint in contemporary styles, it sucks🤦🏾♂️
Tbh i like both
@Studio Spider realism is ok. I like it, I don't hate it. I just don't care for it
Studio Spider realism is fine. i like anime/manga styled art but i applaud anyone who is good at realism. i suck at it lol
Most modern art is crap
I went to art school in Luxembourg and had the exact same problem. My art teacher considered that only the things he liked or the things that were often seen in museums were real art. And the rest wasn't. I only stayed 1 year in that school before I left, because all those opinions and restrictions on how I should draw frustrated me. I don't need a diploma to be able to create art or just be an Artist.
Btw, your works are fantastic!
It's so sad, what they sad to you and I'm glad that you did'nt stop to paint in your style. I see your own style inside your work and for me it's art. Sometime I enjoy these abstract pics also, but I like more pictures where I can recognize what is drawn. Go on!
Your Art is always incredible and awesome. Especially because it's unique and you can see your own handwriting in your pictures. So whether it's for university or private, I'm sure you do well like you show us in all your videos 😊 Learning a lot by your Videos. Thanks
Having studied art and fashion design I have encountered similar problems, on the one hand art is an incredibly difficult thing to evaluate because it is subjective. If you're bad at math, you're bad at math, if you're bad at art, it might just be your teacher's opinion. At the same time, I was a teenager, very naive, very inexperienced, I had not found my unique voice yet, it was just fanart and derivative illustrations, my teachers were right in their criticisms. However I don't think fanart is necessarily a bad thing if the artist is mature and is actually conveying something deeper. I've been to many conventions where the artist alley is just filled with frivolous trash, they are just copying existing publicity materials and yet that shit sells. Just like weird abstract shit sells in the so called "high art" world.
I've on occasion been on the teacher's end of it - evaluating the manga and fan art of students. My approach to it has been - be a really good draftsman, whether it's manga, fanart, whatever. And from there, don't do art just like everyone else. But on the latter point, how you explain that or get that out of oneself, let alone, another person is still mysterious to me.
I don't know. I've seen some great non-objective art. Rauschenberg, Klee, Klimt and others have tremendous painterly chops. There's a wealth of eye candy in their work. Sorry you can't see it.
Was that meant to be a response to me? I don't understand, I wasn't talking about what you're talking about.
Sorry, I guess I was distracted that in writing a reply to you I was actually thinking of Laovaan.
As someone who spent some time in art school I'd like to weigh in because I actually disagree that art is subjective. Yes, it is definitely more fluid and subjective than math, but I think that the point of art school is to teach objective techniques to refine one's abilities. Art is meant to express one's thoughts, and in that respect I view it like grammar and its relationship to language. Whether you're reading the precision-picked purple prose of Lovecraft or the intentionally disjointed stream of consciousness of William Faulkner's The Sound and The Fury, it is easy to recognize their strong grasp of language and divorce that from their personal style of writing; likewise, Michaelangelo's statues and Picasso's cubism both needed a strong grasp of art technique to render. These are concepts that I wish were focused more in academia, but unfortunately I have found that technique often takes a backseat to style or, even worse yet, fostering a personality of artistic posturing to market yourself as an individualist artist. I think when students are given the tools they need to express themselves, a certain individual style will naturally emerge as a consequence of their own life experiences and tastes. Art is a very competitive industry and I believe it does students a disservice to zero in on some ephemeral deeper meaning in their art at the expense of teaching them how to network and produce art in the first place.
I've been reading a lot of the comments on the video. It seems that for many people arguing against Laovaan's statements, the point at which something becomes art is when they see a deeper meaning in it. Some expression, an idea, a story, an emotion, anything.
So that person looks at a piece and finds none of these. It's merely an illustration to them. Their verdict: This isn't art.
This whole process is inherently subjective because a completely different person might find something in the piece and therefore call it art. And you don't have to scroll far to find people on any of his pieces that had some kind of emotional reaction to it. Who is right? Do you go by majority? Do you go by what it would be paid for it on the market? Does the artist themselves not count at all?
The only consistent solution is to separate the idea of value and art. Art is a category, and every object in that category is valued differently by different people. When I insist that whatever I created is art, that does not mean I require you to give it the same value that I do. However, I give you the option to value it in the first place, because I placed it in the category of art.
This is what Laovaan is saying in this video! A lot of people assume he wants you to value the piece on the same level as him, but that is not the case. The distinction between art and illustration is irrelevant at this point. Illustration should be seen as a subcategory of art, it's still a form of artistic expression. If you give that whole category a lower value simply because it's "just illustration" then that's totally fine. But saying that because it doesn't reach a certain threshold it should not be considered art gets us back to the problem I described above.
Who is the judge? Either it's everyone or no-one. It's not rare that you need some context to truly understand an art piece. What if you lack that context? What if that context emerges after the fact? What if only the artist is aware of that context and keeps it to themselves?
The fact that so many people are responding indicates that there's something deeper happening here. If there wasn't a context before, it sure as hell exists now. This video, comprised of the spoken word part and the painting, is a piece of art. You all made it that by interacting with it, whether you like it or not.
I know some people are saying it's not art, which I disagree with, but I have also seen some saying that the distinction is that it's not fine art. That I do agree with. To people that study art and art theory and have gone to art school, it is no surprise to us that his professors reacted to his work like this. My problem is not with him making this kind of art. Everyone should do what makes them happy. What I do have a problem with is the fact that this person in the video is pursing a Studio major and is not seeming to get why peers and professors are calling him out. If this was a person in a design/graphic design or illustration major I don't think this video would have even been made.
missvintagevanity check out his follow up video. If it wasn't clear, he is studying art to become a teacher and I agree with him that there are certain distinctions to be made with regards to what the aim of that program should be compared to studying art for itself.
I mean that clears things up a bit, but what grade level is he planning on teaching?
Echolox i believe art has 2 meaning. one is when your drawing has a meaning and you are trying to convey something to the others and the other is when your drawing is hollow and has no meaning but you are just suppose to be immersed in it and feel it's beauty as if it cannot speak so you cannot hear or understand.
Echolox Agreed. Btw, I like your music.
You're so talented! And I love how you work with color :) I feel like a lot of fine arts professors have a limited view of art. If the point of pursuing an art degree is to eventually do art professionally, its your authentic style that will attract people to your work. That kind of style can't be forced, especially by another person. For anyone that reads this, don't let those people make you feel insecure about your art.
There's a reason why art professors aren't artists.
Let's not
Tru some of the times
How does the line go? "those who can, do....those who cannot....teach".
you know art professors had to get their masters in being artists to be able to teach, right? And that 9 times out of 10 they’re still working artists?
That being said. They moreso like to force students to conform to their ideals and own opinions/teachings on art rather than being open-minded.
@@breezehxme Of course; This really isn't a case of them not being able to be artists of course, this is a case of them closing their minds.....absolute killer that one.
Art - the expression or application of human CREATIVE skill and IMAGINATION.
FYI THATS A DICTIONARY DEFINITION
Art makes people emotional.
it doesnt have to
So basically everything is art.
Translation: art is crap.
Art makes you look inside yourself and connect with some things profound , if not it is just another pretty face in town.
I'm a consumer. Not an artist. I can spot a hoytie-toytie piece a mile away and I've frequently bought this overpriced crap as gifts for people who I knew were all about impressing others.
But, for my home, I buy amateur landscapes. That's it. That's what I love. You wouldn't catch me hanging abstract garbage in my house ever.
Thanks to all the snobs out there, I get what I love for dirt cheap.
Why do I love it? Who the hell knows. Sometimes it's the subject material. Sometimes it's seeing hints of a developing genius in a flurry of ignorant brushstrokes. Sometimes it's the innocence. Sometimes I see so much freaking effort in a piece and I feel the passion of the growing artist.
For me, that's my favorite art. That's where I find the most emotion.
The crap that I buy for my friends? That's cold, calculated marketable color on paper. It's designed to appeal to the highest bidder. It's not what the artist truly loves and it shows.
As for "illustrations are not art' - What about Audubon? Nobody would deny that he was a great artist.
Amateur landscapes look really nice honestly
Pepper Conchobhar it is just not art because it is made by you, when you get into the pendant art market it suddenly gets ''good'', and ''unique''. No matter if it is just nothing (litterally) if you sell it good it becomes a brilliant masterpiece by the concept. The emperor's New clothes syndrome.
What about abstract landscapes? I have a pretty nice one of a fishing village/dock that looks like it was done on rough paper/cloth with coffee stains kinda. Its a beautiful piece imo.
Definitely. A good abstract landscape is quite beautiful to me.
Funny story. I'm seriously near-sighted. That's pretty much what nature looks like to me without my glasses. lol!
Laovaan. I graduated from Pratt Institute, New York. What you're talking about is the difference between "commercial art" and "fine art". What your professors should have told you is that their goal as fine art instructors is to "undo" your personal preferences and your established style, technique, subject matter, and color choices, to abandon them and prepare your mind for fine art training. What that means is to learn the fundamentals, basics of color theory, proportion, composition, shape, emotion, value, etc. In their view that would loosen you up and give you a wider world of possibilities to explore other styles and subject matter as a fine artist. But what it seems you want is more illustration and commercial art course work. Are you majoring in fine art or commercial art? Is there a distinction of that in your university? Those are different majors at art schools in the US. Of course what you're doing is art, it's just not museum art, it's commercial in nature. You studying in art school is to increase your skill level, that's all. Don't listen to them. Switch your major to illustration and commercial art.
The issue is many of these kinds of professors teaching fine art, will generally considering illustrations to not be art. They tend to have this pretty stuck up attitude about it too. And even if you are not taking specifically a fine art course, if the professor is more oriented toward fine art, you could end up with someone like the above. Sadly both courses will generally have crossover since both are art and deal with a lot of the same concepts. For example, whether you are a fine artist, or an illustrator, you are probably going to have the same color theory class.
now im kinda scared about going to an art college.. i didnt expect that to be the teachers opinions .. how devasting
luise -chan I'm sorry to tell you that what it is said in this video is true for most of the art schools. It is also true that you'll have some teachers that will help you grow and will be amazing but the majority of them are just there not because they want to pass their knowledge but because they didn't make it as artists and need a way of living.
Unfortunately, these people have diplomas but that's it.
One of my "teachers" was despicable and one day I asked myself, who is this person to tell me that my work is not good enough or that it has no meaning if he is never been able to make a good decision about his own art? How can someone make judgements so quickly about others creative decisions when your own is so bad that never made it out of your studio? Should I really listen to this person's advise?
Art school was terrible for me and nothing like i imagined. It was a crushing experience. To put it this way for a project a peer collected two dead squirrels from our campus and pegged them on the wall and said she didnt want to explain it and wanted to observe peoples reactions. She did it the night before last min because she had nothing else. My prof ate it up. I carved and cut a wooden piece exploring native american ideals and my prof said it looked like a craft. I hope your experience is better then mine.
luise -chan That's why I keep doing it as a hobby.
luise -chan You can make art a career but you don't necessarily need art school to do that. You just need a good portfolio that you can work on during your spare time.
All art schools help you with is networking and resources. And even then you can find those online and by looking up networking events.
Don't listen to a teacher who would mock your works. But you also have to evaluate yourself. Trust me. I had this experience when I went to university one of my teacher said " This is how you should be or this the right example". I followed his opinion and It was completely disaster.
'manga style drawing isn't art'
Boi is it literature then
Well, literature is art in itself, imo. It's a win-win then. :) yay!
Grumpless Grime true true
It can be art, because anything can be art, but mainly manga style drawings aren't art in a way the experts understand it, but instead Aesthetics
It's art. You made something it be art.
It's not _that_ simple, Angie. It's art when you successfully convey your artistic intention with whatever you create. If it doesn't have a message/artistic intention it can be many things, a beautiful portrait painting, a complex manga drawing, an impressive sculpture, all of which is NOT a bad thing or worth any less, but not 'art'.
Hirohiko Araki visiting his artwork in the Louvre: _Am I a joke to you?_
Yes
Art is defined by those who are moved by what they see ... and it is why your work is art it moved me so beautiful. Dance is a form of art because it makes you feel .
You are amazing I might be an amateur but an artist non the less and your work is inspiring!!!
You know, I went to art college over 20 years ago. I too had instructors who tried to push me toward their idea of what art "should" be. I got mostly low "B" grades, some "C" grades, etc. Very little encouragement. Then, after about 4 semesters of trying to do it "my way", I decided to run an experiment. I spent the bulk of my third year Painting 3 class just chucking paint at a canvas. I got in trouble for leaving a mess and was asked to work outside, but I got "A" grades for the semester for literally throwing acrylics at a canvas.
That was my last semester.
I decided that I'd take what knowledge I had gained and go it alone. Sadly, without that piece of paper you get at the end, it's much more difficult to get the kind of work you would like to do, even when you're qualified. Art being such a competitive field with so many applicants for even the most menial job. Two folks go for work, each with similar levels of quality, the one with the degree will always win the gig. I hope you stick it out, you're clearly talented. Your stuff looks like what I wanted them to teach me to do and they wouldn't. Preferring to try and push me toward something for which I had no passion, they tried to snuff the passion I did have to comic books and other more commercial art endeavors.
For me, the definition of art is a created work which provokes an emotional response. If the response is "Wow, that's beautiful", it's just as valid as any other emotion and that's just enough. Do what they say for now, get that piece of paper, and get solid work your whole life because you're already great at what you do. Cheers!
I remember expecting to be taught at Uni for Fine Arts, and the told us: "You're supposed to come here with all the tools and knowledge, and we're just here to give you work and grade it." Nobody really taught us how to do anything. And they just put pressure after pressure saying it'll turn us into diamonds. I met one of my Freehand profs at the college I transferred too. She taught a lecture class. On my break, I doodled butterflies, and she came to me teaching me how to use colored pencils. It was so confusing since back at uni, she called out the best student in class for shading with "flowers" --actually were spirals.
I heard from a prof in college that he also taught in the uni I went to. Apparently, Fine Arts --prestige and shit -- they were asked by the uni to teach a certain way, in other words, give work and leave the students for 3 hours. This one prof was one of the best I'd had --he taught Freehand drawing.
Dunno about other people, but if I bought a painting to hang on a wall, it would look something like the one you did on this video.
hang the art teacher first
bad play on words, I know
hANG the DJ, hANG the DJ, hANG the DJ, hANG the DJ, hang the DJ hang the DJ hang the DJ, hANG the DJ! hANG the DJ! hANG the DJ! hANG the DJ!
It's called interior decoration then. Artwork doesn't need to be pleasant to look at or complementary to sertain interiors. Artwork should provoke thought first and foremost.
Дарья Атоян I was always told in art schools that anything could be art, even breathing. Just because an art piece is beautiful it shouldn't be automatically disqualified as a provocative one or put in the box , you only mean that it is not provocative to you. I'm so tired of the same rhetorical statements ...to be art it has to be provocative... well, to be convincing you have to be more creative in your statement, this one is sooooo old, its like listening to an art teacher from the 60's. Please evolve, let artists be free and express themselves in any way they want. If one want to do beauty, so be it! Otherwise it will be hypocritical art just to please the market and that is not art at all no matter how many essays accompany the art piece.
Yanai Nassar, perhaps i explained myself poorly. I wasn't talking about provocative art, a was trying to say, that any art piece should have an educational purpose.
Me: *draws a dragon with some extra details and it turns out good*
My art teacher: *WhAt Is ThiS CrAP*
Me: *draws anime character of my own for many hours of thinking and hesitating*
Art Teacher: ... Wtf is dis?
Me: ... DRAWING
Teacher: It's not art, do it again.
Me: *le cries to da corner*
happened to me exactly like this lol
Rose Vine Angel oof, my art teacher says that it’s ok for me to draw anime in my free time but I should try learning some traditional techniques so I’ll be able to move forward faster, I have to say, I’d agree with them
Showed my sketchbook full of original Manga and cartoon illustrations in elementary school, and the teacher said, "if you keep drawing childish doodles like this, you're never going to make a living for yourself."
Showed my sketchbook of landscape sketches and still life studies, and my college professor said, "you need to branch out and find something else to draw. Anyone can do this, it's boring."
You can't win with teachers dude.
Briana .H oof
I took art during my pre-university education, but even at that level, my teachers were very encouraging and embracing of all different forms of art. One thing that I took away from that was about how art can be anything and everything you want it to be, whether it be a blank canvas, Duchamp's inverted urinal or a watercolour painting. It made me appreciate and love art even more.
I feel sorry that your professors don't appreciate the beautiful work that you do, but I think that you shouldn't let their definition limit you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Keep up the amazing work!
My school has a variety of programs from fine art, to graphic design, to illustration, and so on. It's really interesting to see the different mentalities these different departments and their students have. In all, I think my university does a good job of balancing the wildly abstract, to the traditional, to the commercial. When I go into the art building throughout the year there are a variety of student works on display. Sometimes it is abstract and all about process. Other times they are extremely technical paintings. And still other times they are illustrative works and concept designs.
Even so, a lot of my professors aren't too fond of manga either. Still, most of them don't dismiss it altogether while still encouraging students to learn how to broaden their vision outside of manga styles anyways (and frankly it improves their overall manga style by extension). Anyway, I've felt lucky.
Teachers often suck at explaining why they don't like anime, if they even understand why they don't like it. But the problem with manga/anime styles that tends to make teachers wary (and often weary) of it, is the fact that a lot of students use it as a shortcut. Instead of going through the long and difficult process of really learning form and line and color and light and whatnot, they just go about drawing (anime style) symbols for things and calling it a day. Of course, their stuff doesn't turn out looking like Hayao Miyazaki's or even Akira Toriyama's, it looks like a kid's eye-bleeding upload to deviantArt.
Do you think Miyazaki couldn't draw in any style he wanted? Including and especially realism? Of course he could. He chooses his anime style. Style is choice. You can't choose if you only know one narrow way of doing something.
@@rin_okami Yeah, that's basically what most of my professors have said. They discourage students from drawing exclusively manga, at least for assignments, to broaden their artistic ability.
Although, I have to say, it makes me want to flip a table when I draw something that is very much not anime style and someone still says it looks like anime. LIKE HOW?
This is why i was extremely disappointed in going to college...
Lets be creative! Whats your favorite color?
Green!
Green is not a creative color!
Dont hug me im scared.
*hugs*
What's your favourite idea? Mine is being creative
This is why modern art is going to shit. If the essence of the critiques are "it looks too good", you know the art community is screwed. I think art can be valued by how beautiful it is as well as by how much thought is behind it, and how much emotion it provokes. You don't go to an orchestra to hear unrefined atonal screeching, you don't go to a restaurant to eat rancid, disgusting food, so why would anyone want to go to an art gallery to see garbage that a three year old child could do, that lacks anything that would make it desirable to look at?
This is exactly my problem with "everything is art". I find it lazy that people think everything that isn't anything else is art.
This was so frustrating to me when I studied art in university, whenever I did hyper realistic paintings and portraits my professor and some of the other students would tear it to pieces during critique and praise the students that looked as though they threw their project together at the last minute (it was abstract). They would go on to talk about how much feeling was put into it for over an hour, which was strange to me. Then when I actually did what they wanted (something abstract) they praised me for it, said they could see sadness and so much emotion in it. I was like really? I honestly just scribbled on paper not caring what I came up with to make you happy.
So true, modern art is a scam, their numerous video's made of it on youtube.
ehhhhh i think it depends i believe everything is art because i as an artist put deep emotional significance in my art even if it is composed of a single color or even if its abstract i make art for myself its the only way i feel comfortable expressing myself
Melissa it honestly all depends on the teachers and the school sadly, I got lucky at my school and they appreciated when you did work that you enjoyed and that you actually put time into. Only a few students hated it but those were the ones who didn't like working or literally just didn't do the projects at all. I have a few complaints of course but that's only natural. It sucks that you got treated like that.
I’d have to agree with your professors to some extent. The works you showed us after the given advice, seemed more and more interesting. The more out of the box, the more original, the better. The same happens with music. It’s hard to call a generic pop song an artwork. However, when the mold is broken and originality peaks out at a piece of music, the more intrigued and interested people get.
Still, you can't say that something isn't "personal" just because you don't find it original enough.
Also, why creating something ""ugly"" on purpose? If you look at art throughout history, it was mostly realistic and beautifully drawn. Not some random colours here and there. Those teachers are way too judgemental and shouldn't even be teachers.
@@vitaliy1858 The Scream by Edvard Munch was made to be ugly. People thought impressionist styles were ugly for a long time. What this guy's doing is generic pinterest stuff that can blend with one another, nothing original. Those teachers probably see the same crap everyday, ignoring critique is just childish and immature.
@@nine-vi7rw Yes, but what I meant was that they basically tell people to do something "more personal" when they probably don't know anything about what makes their art personal or not. It doesn't have to be in an impressionist style to be personal. You know what I mean?
@@vitaliy1858 what you said is basically why I don't show my art to anyone...
Just because my art is "ugly" it is not considered art at all...
In my opinion, what makes art personal is what you choose as a theme, choose style, colors and composition just for this particular artwork BUT after you realize there is more than just one technique nas theme to choose from.
When you are always drawing/painting something in one particular way (especially when you are still young) you might be mistaken as close-minded just because you don't want to open for something else.
@@projektujeappki5536 yeah I get it, and I didn't mean ugly as ugly, I hope you get what I'm saying.
But in general, if you draw something it's USUALLY personal, it's just like writing, even if you write a really typical story, it could still be personal, because of your writing style, because of your experiences in life that you put in your story, and so on...
And I feel like teachers shouldn't just say that there is no personality in some art just because it's realistic for example. like no abstract art is not more personal, I could just draw a bunch of lines and say a story about it, and same with realistic drawings, you know what I mean?
I'm sorry if my English is bad btw