The tragedy of Dragon's Dogma 2's launch
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- I hate video game publishers sometimes.
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Great games ruined by investors is a sad tale that repeats itself.
They also fund the development. Without it AAA cannot exist at all.
@@wreagfe You live in a very small world.
@@wreagfe *wheeze*
@@wreagfe AAA games haven't been the better games for me the last 5-10 years. It's the indiegames that are paving the way forward. I'm buyin mostly indiegames. I did buy CAPCOMs fail of a game but that won't be a mistake I'll do any time soon again. Triple A games are just ruining it for themselves. They are all living in the shadow of Larian Studios and they keep doing the same mistakes over and over. It's almost like if they are robots or incapable of learning from past mistakes. This was my first and last CAPCOM game I purchased. Ah damn, I did buy DDDA, well it's the last anyway!
@@dongarippo7279 well capcom has been making some of the best games, if you ain't playing monster hunter then just sit this one out
Adding microtransactions to a single player game is just stupid. We as players should never agree to this. The game itself is already expensive.
Microtransactions in a single player game is just a billboard saying: "Give us more of your money, we aren't getting enough yet". It's just disgusting...
I don't like microtransactions either however out of all the games it's the least intrusive shop where some have pop ups it's in your face. Some people are getting bent over shape about this and why I don't personally care because the game is not constantly reminding me to buy something it's one of the most annoying aspects of microtransactions in games.
True, but its nothing new. A lot of JRPG have mircrotransaction, and it's not new to Capcom either. People seem to forget about DMC 5, where you can buy the souls like currency to upgrade your weapon i forgot what its called. In all honesty, microtransaction is better in single player game than multiplayer games. It's like cheating rule. No one cares if you cheat in a single-player game. Just to add, i dont support microtransaction. Im just trying to point out that the outrage is late.
Nothing to "agree" to. Just don't buy those MTX
@@jeffafa3096it is disgusting, true, but you dont have to buy those shit they're selling. They add micrtrnasaction because it works. People buy them. Game companies are a businesses they exist to make money. They exist to sell products to you they dont exist to make you happy. The sooner you realize that the better you purchasing decisions will become.
For me the biggest deal breaker was the not getting the ability within game to start a new save after you already have started a save. That was such a silly thing for a single-player game.
It is dumb, and the excuse is even dumber
My problem is there is only one save file in a open world rpg abd it's 70 plus dollars depending on edition like i wanted to save money for me and my brother so we can play on one console without spending 140 dollars by getting another copy u only have one save file ridiculously heartbreakingly 😢
Obviously you didn't play the 1rst, you will know why there isn't a second file.Happens in this one too.
@@adanarterius5697 I have played the first one. You can start a new game there. Although the older save would be deleted but still you can start a complete new game. That is not there here. And considering what you mean by the point here. What makes it okay to not have the ability to do that regardless being there in the first game or not? And what is wrong with save slots? (A basic feature)It is a single player game that has branching story, great character customisation and a rpg system. It’s like build to replay.
Update: they will be adding the save slots with a new update within this month since it was a concern for the players while they will also be updating setting for controls to limit to 30fps and remove motion blur- plus more then I'm willing to type
Capcom did the same thing to DMC (Devil May Cry) when they sold orbs.
Absolutely no point in getting them, but I bet some people bought it anyway...
This was a very Capcom thing.
And on resident evil 4 remake, not to speak of Monster Hunter World and Street Fighter where MTX are far worse.
People acting like this is new behavior for Capcom which arguably put out great games aside from the MTX.
If you want puplishers so stop doing those you need to stop buying them
The OG Dragon's Dogma also had these same purchasable items. But most of the people talking about DD2 either didn't play until DD:DA was out or never played the original DD at all.
@@KatesDirtySister I think maybe peope haven't played all those games and just because it's a typical capcom greed thing doesn't mean that people will sit idly by without mentioning their concerns. I think it's good to take a stand against such practices personally. I have yet to even care about that as my game keeps crashing and lagging. Would very much like it if the game could run as it should before I can even bother about their greedy practices.
I 100% agree that publishers need to be eating shit for the problems they are creating. Publishers have been plaguing game quality and game releases for a century, and it we need to use our voices to punish them, because its all we have to fight back with
It’s pretty normal under contemporary capitalism to squeeze the worker not only for it’s labour, but also when it comes down to everything we consume.
We transitined from actually making and creating products to just company consolidations and PR, meanwhile the products that are still made are exploiting the global south for natural and human resources.
If you wanna blame the real cultripts, blame the big Coprs and the burgeoise. It’s a systematic issue, not just a gaming industry related one.
google Enshittification
" Publishers have been plaguing game quality and game releases for a century"
What games were you playing in 1924? 🤣
@@KurustheGreat Radar Tennis?
@@KurustheGreat Lmfao I miiighhhttt of gotten decade and century mixed up
I can literally picture it already. The executives are thinking "We didn't meet the expected profits? It's all because of the devs. Let's fire 10% of them"
highly doubt that will happen considering this is Capcom. Yes they're money hungry but they also just increased all their employees salary a week or two ago. Japanese companies arent as totally heartless as US companies.
@@ss-aalltt if that's true, I'm glad to hear that
@@ss-aalltt lol no. Most of japanese companies are way more heartless than US companies. Don´t let me start to talk about their abusive work culture. Not saying that all japanese companies are like that, but a big amount of them are.
I just killed my first dragon, I laughed when I discovered that I could pick up enemies and throw them into the water. I've seen a cyclope trying to get over a broken bridge, it was almost falling down and I attacked its hands to make him fall. I was fighting an Orc when a fucking Griffin came out of nowhere, I had a double "boss fight" and I won anyway. I'm having so much fun, I love this game even if I have some minor nitpicks (I'd like to have a lock-on and roll system). It's such a shame if people miss this game because of it 'cause it deserves more attention
Yeah having fun too, most of them are overreacting, you don't need to pay anything after getting the game .
All items can be unlocked within the game without using mtx, just fake Arisens hating for nothing.
@@adanarterius5697 the only thing you are buying, IF you got the deluxe edition, was the DD1 sounds and music (for nostalgia purposes)
everything else is; as you said, in game
Good, this game (the sequel) gets way too much attention from zoomers who never played the first game.
Came for the shorts, stayed for based takes
Couldn't agree more. Not saying players shouldn't voice disagreement about microtransactions, but feedback towards actual gameplay issues/improvements seem too overshadowed and barely spoken about.
It is, though.
No steeds in an open world game with stamina depleting when running.
Checkpoints are not checkpoints.
You can't heal your blacked out HP bar at all (which you could in the original).
@@shis1988 the checkpoint system is amazing. i almost never lose progress because its so frequent, way less than other games when i forget to quick save. you can heal blacked out hp bar at a campfire which is a minute or less in any direction
It's funny trying to bounce from BG3 to a different game and running smack into toxic industry practices.
How to make gamer unhappy.
>Ship the game not polished
>with an in-game store
I can say that people are already sick of microtransactions. Companies have become so obsessed with the opportunity to extract money from players that it will now always lead to a backlash. And it's a good thing.
They may be unhappy but they are still rewarding Crapcom by buying it and not refunding it. :(
And to be clear: I want to love DD2. I really do. DDDA is AWESOME. So this breaks my heart as much as it does any fan.
@Fang.1 DD2 is amazing, and the Microtransactions aren't needed for anything at all (everything can be found in game, altho early portal stones could be usefull, they arent needed), so just buy the game and enjoy as-is. I hate MTX aswell, but I ignore them and just play the game
But ... there is no "in-game" store xD You literally would not know mxt exist unless you scrolled lower and saw them or someone told you. Its like in in EA, UBI, 2K games were they have in game pop ups and stores to sell mxt in your face.
Dont overblow the problem. Complain about performance and point out mxt, but dont make mxt the main problem, or even 2nd or 3rd, barely worth a mention.
@@Fang.1 I tried to refund it, three times but I have played 8 hours, and the issues began for real at the city. Unacceptable.
I literally got all of the MTX items in game for free via quests and normal playing in less than 6 hours total play time so far. If you want to be lazy, you can spend extra money. If you don't want to spend money, you don't have to. Don't know why people are crying.
Marketing Department of Dragon's Dogma 2 said: "Let's do it like Larian Studios with Baldur's Gate 3," before adding with a laugh, "Just kidding, let's go in a completely different direction that alienates our buyers and f**k this up.😂
The funny thing is, I truly believe this game would have been as well accepted and revered as Elden Ring or Baldurs Gate 3 for this year. The game has a niche audience from the first one, and more people would have jumped into because of the gameplay and world created in the game. Really sad to see Capcom shooting itself in the foot on this one...
Cringey nerd...
capcom did the bicycle self crash meme
Capcom add mtx to all their games, i wonder why peolpe noticed this only now
Triple-A games were once synonymous with quality and enjoyment. Nowadays, they are often associated with broken mechanics, excessive microtransactions, and subpar performance.
Indeed, and generally they don't even look that good now. Used to be the AAA was almost the only way to get the impressive visuals that really sell a 3D game world of any complexity graphically, but now the game development space has changed so much and there is so much more performance in the gaming hardware that small Indie developer can create something that looks great and even looks better than the by committee game design with no artistic direction AAA...
@@foldionepapyrus3441Indeed, DLSS and Frame Generation have led developers to become less concerned with performance. It has been years since a game was worth purchasing, and given the recent trends, this is unlikely to change in the near future.
I'll be real. I feel like people talking about the microtransactions has literally never played capcom game before. Dragon's Dogma 1 had the same transactions, you could buy Red Orbs and gold orbs in DMC, The fact that you didn't know the microtransactions were a thing bakes it 100% better than most other modern game. This has always been a capcom thing. I feel like people are only talking about it because other people are talking about it.
The game it's actually very good. I don't agree with micro transactions in general, but I'm gonna be honest, if people weren't talking about them I wouldn't even notice the game has micro transactions 😂. It doesn't hurt me because the game itself actually offers these things in game, i don't feel like I'm actually losing anything. I'd say let's support this game because if we don't we will probably won't see another dragon's dogma in the future. The developers put a lot of love into this title and you can clearly see that if you play it.
Exactly, like I didn't notice it at all when I played because I was enjoying the game so much. And I don't like micro transactions at all, but you literally can get everything on that list, in game. Like no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. And the people saying that they're not going to play the game because of that, it's just mind blowing to me.
@@WickedKpop yes I agree
It doesn’t hurt you NOW in this particular game. But it will only get worse without backlash against it.
Sorry for posting this twice Luality:
Look, this is true. The MTX aren't a "problem" specific to DD2.
BUT... Why do you think that is? Because they know they can't get away with that yet. They want to normalize *including them* in a full price singleplayer game first. Once that becomes the usual acceptable "Eh it's not so bad"... THEN they start tweaking the grinds to make them more attractive in future products.
Assassin's creed has been doing it for years but it was mostly skins and world map unlockables. Now look at what's in DD2? Every pay-to-win MTX under the sun. It's yet another step in that direction.
Micro transactions, hence I will never play. I don't support in any fashion any company that puts them in their games nor a content creator who promotes the game.
then that is a very stifling life
you can just, y'know, NOT buy the mtx, they know if it sells lots or not
@@knuckles543 no it's an honorable life and the only way to make things change.
It’s also an expensive game to start with. I’ll get it on sale maybe
I decided not to buy the game because I do not wish to support bad immoral practice, there are many other games worth playing without MTX
Doesn’t matter who is to blame. Perception is reality. I have so many other games to play. $70 is already too much. I’ll wait for a 50% off next year
It's a very understandable, rational, and passionate explanation why video games are falling. Sadly, it's not just games.
Publisher also paid a lot of money to make this game hack resistant (so you cannot cheat in game stuff) and put Denuvo in it (no way to pirate it). So I believe the whole situation with poor optimization and microtransactions are intentional and caused by rushing the game and high hopes of game not being refunded by loyal community. That's awful…
The thing is though.....Capcom does this with almost all of their games, their MTX are just really dumb 'Time Saver' type stuff. Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, DMC etc. They've done it for years and nobody cares because it's just part of their 'thing'. So Seeing the backlash was really confusing to me. 😂
I know very little about this game and I was seriously considering buying a copy, but the second I saw it had micro, I decided nope.
The micro isn't a big deal. It's not a necessity at all nor does fall unto the "pay to win" stuff. The game rewards you plenty where it makes it obsolete to buy
Yes, but they are still there. If you accept them, little by little more things will be added down the line to new projects. More predatory practices. It is a way to ease players into thinking it is not that bad and pushing the boundaries just close to the edge that it does not go overboard.@@Thiago_Alves_Souza
The MTX doesnt affect the game at all
Go for it. I am already 20 hours in the game, the MTX you can buy are not needed, you can get everything even without farming or anything. So go for it. Fast travel is very limited but not because of the MTX, it was limited in Dragon's Dogma 1 too, its part of the world, get used to it. There is a lot of exploration to do while you go from one point to another.
@@Thiago_Alves_Souza you defend a practice that can develop and at some point be a major issue in game industry... saying MTX is not bad in single player game is ridiculus
Microranzakcja in single player games is the worst evil please don't buy such games it's total shit!
I am not affected by MT but it doesn't change the fact that it should not be present on a single player focused game. There will be someone or a lot of someone's that will purchase these MTs and when it happen, future games will still include it and if there is no backlash they will aggressively go to a p2w MTs... What really annoys me is removing the option to restart a new character or better yet more character slots. If I knew that from the start, I would not have purchased the game. I will still play the game even though I can still request a refund but this is already a wait for review for me for future Capcom games.
For those who are saying, "Microtransactions don't matter, because we can get everything in game without buying them," keep in mind that's only the case for now. Once you buy the game, and you're past the refund cut-off, they can simply do a micro-patch to make the drop rates very low, and now you're screwed.
You are correct and I don't disagree but this is capcom and they have been doing it for years. They make good games and then push their luck with this bad stuff after rather than make games with it already in mind. It's a shame for the devs. Resident Evil games had the same things where you could buy unlocks.
oh wow....not like it's anything meaningful within the game
buncha rings and a campsite...ooohhh, scawy, oooh better yet, let me list off all of them from the steam page:
camping gear:you can buy a better version using the game's built in currency, that is easy to farm from literally any item you can get your hands on
music+sound collection form DD1-the sole item you cannot get in game, completely uneccesary, no need to buy, does not affect gameplay other than nostalgia
harpy smoke beacons-can buy and craft in game, easy to buy and get materials for, uneccesary but useful, i don't use em
heartfelt pendant-buy from in game market stalls, romance option, optional side content
rift incense- can buy from specialized shop, or just build your pawn right first time (there was a character creator demo for a reason)
makeshift gaol key-you can duplicate a non-makeshift gaol key for cheap, thus rendering the makeshift one worthless
character editor (one time use)- can do in game with item found and bought in game, can buy a partial do over (hair/makeup,etc) with in game currency at the hairdressers
portcrystal-found and given to you in game by NPC's, NG+ let's you keep items you have already obtained, max on the field at any one time is 10
wakestones-found in game, in whole or as shards (need 3 to make a full one) drop rate high, can be bought in shops, can be sent over by other players via their pawn or by you completing objectives for their pawn, unneccesary but handy
rift crystals- given to you in game, droipped in game, looted in the world, completely uneccesary for the game to function, it's just an advantage if you have any to hire a higher level pawn, again, UNECCESARY to play the same, you can go through the entire game and not spend a single rift crystal
deluxe edtion weapons (pre-order bonus): very quickly usurped by stronger weapons, no need for them at all as soon as you get to the main city
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all of your scaremongering and hypotheticals mean nothing, nothing in any of the DLC and mtx is of even a minor consequence or subject to such a change in a way that; as you claim MIGHT happen, would break the game, there are simply too many ways to get those items
The developers put so much love into this game and the launch was ruined by thoughtless, greedy publishers. I have no clue how Capcom thought any of that would have gone over well with consumers.
Devs can only say so much but at the end of the day, it's the suits who decide whether it gets implemented or not and they will not listen to fans, devs or any relevant authority on games cause all they want is money and the second you speak up, you're fired
Nah, even without publisher meddling the game is as half baked as DD1 and even worse in some aspects.
@@theobell2002Objectively false statement.
Yeah, only 200000 active players on steam. Such a ruined launch, lmao
@@theobell2002 I played so much DD:DA, love the game, but I completely disagree with you, having a lot of fun with DD2 and overall does the things better than DD1.
The sad thing is the game is actually incredible but it’s being completely overshadowed by all of the micro transaction drama. I’m seeing more videos about the micro transactions on my feed than actual gameplay at this point.
It's high time the developers divorce the publishers for good. Some of the best games I've played in the recent decade were self-published. You don't really need to bootlick the big corporations to sell a game anymore. UA-cam, Twitch, and, most importantly, word of mouth within player communities alone is more than enough (provided that the game is fun and, most importantly, stable on the launch day).
I can't recall an example from the recent couple decades where the Publisher's involvement was beneficial. At best it was neutral and didn't impact the game's fate either way. Alas, in most cases, it was harmful and resulted either in unfinished mess on launch day or unhealthy business decicions (MTX, timegated content, censorship). All that sadly always resulted in fallout also hitting the typically innocent developers. They paid the price, often becoming the scapegoat, while the publishers just moved to other projects unaffected.
It's sad. I LOVED the first game. Loved it so much it is still to this day in my top 5 of all time. However. I will NOT buy the game because I'm not going to support the MTX practice. Maybe down the line, once they fix the bugs and take away all the MTX. I'll buy it. I will not buy it when and only when that happens. The first game also had MTX and it was removed. So until it is here. I'm not touching it despite how long i have waited for the game I LOVE to get a sequel. It's sad and I hate it. But I refuse to buy it until it is better.
Game companies are just becoming so blatantly predatory with MTX and having kernel access. The more this becomes normalised, the more i start to think i should start pirating, especially if a cracked version runs smoother than the paid version. The gaming community needs more companies like Larian Studios, i paid $89 AUD for that game and i can gladly say i do not regret giving them money and will gladly support their future endeavours.
Really fell in love with this game, this so big and in depth... The microtransactions did offend me in the beginning, but after playing many hours you see that you really dont need the microtransactions. You are absolutely right in this video! Dragons Dogma feels like the new Skyrim, so get it if you are ambivalente.... Its amazing!
Finally a streamer that is saying how it is….not just trying to make excuses for MTX but addressing it like a normal person, good job.
And I agree optimization is a huuuuge problem..at the moment unplayable for me so I hope updates starts to roll out soon🤞🤞🤞
Capcom are what is wrong with the game industry, Not supporting their dirty tactics is what will make them stop.
One lesson the devs could learn from Larian Studios and Baldurs Gate is to go with a early release period. This would allow them to get input from players during development- input such as, "camping could be better", and "you need to give us the ability to start a new game", and "performance could be better".
The secret is, it ISN'T an amazing game. The writing is awful the story is boring and the NPCs are horrific and forgettable. It's a shallow pretty button masher. There's no roleplaying content to speak of.
Well I might have been tempted to try this game, if the price had been 30% less, if the reviews had been more positive and if there were no micro transactions.
It seems though that the Devs had not learnt from the original. They must have realised what the issues were, they must have realised that the port to PC was badly done. Then it seems that the money men tried to make an extra buck or two. No I will not support such a broken company.
Try again in a few years.
The problem is its $70 USD with micro transaction out the ass, with performance issues, and major issues such as soft locks, one character limits etc...
DD1 also had a 1 character Limit.
The reason the game has a character Limit is because the pawn system would break without it.
Maybe the problem with multiple savefiles is the pawn system. If you have more characters you can use your own pawns. So i kinda get this, but its this annoying!
I really dont understand why everyone cries about the DLCs. Monster Hunter did the exact same thing and no one cared. Because its not that big of a deal. Its minor stuff.
well i dont know who screwed up marketing, but i was interested in the game and i am not buying it cause of the micotransactions drama. there is plenty of other games out there, your loss, not mine capcom
This is why I'm starting to be more hyped about indie games cause these "AAA" companies just go mostly for graphics while performance just suffers. I miss the times when games were like 1GB-5GB but still had quite a lot of content and fun gameplay.
I've been trying out and paying more attention to ALOT indies as well. One channel, Alpha Beta Gamer, is the best to check out games that don't always get picked up. One game I've been looking at is Worldless!
Oh yes please more 2d metroidvania dark souls like pixel slop.
@@totalrko Not every single indie game is like that, but sure go off.
@@totalrko lmao, sure pls buy more AAA or dare I say AAAA games which are unfinished at release and feel like a husk of a game which is slowly filled over times with microtransactions and bad dlc's lol
That’s a take from someone who watched 2 whining videos about DD2 and has no real knowledge of it. There is a reason why it has 200000 active players just on pc. But i’m sure its reeeaaallly bad buddy
Just ignore the mtx capcom been doing this for years and if u complain about dont bother playing a game that has mtx anymore just stop alll those items are easily obtained
The original had mtx too, but they got taken out for Dark Arisen. You'd figure they'd learn their lesson. 😂
Oh yeah there were. I kinda remember now. Did they have the fast travel stones in mtx as well?
@@ichigokage There was one pack that had Ferrystones and other items in it, yes, but it was only purchasable once per save data. Most of them were rift crystals.
They didn't get taken out for Dark Arisen, they got added into the game by default.
@@theobell2002 The DLCs did, yes. The Rift Crystal MTXs however, did not. They were removed entirely, probably because no one bought them as they were unnecessary.
Dark Arisen on PS3 and Xbox 360 had the exact same microtransactions. They only got taken out when the game was ported to newer consoles and PC.
I don't care how good the game is. I can't give them money if they pull this kind of crap.
It doesn't matter who is guilty, the game has to pay for this MTX moronity, there is no third option..
9:43 - ???
DD:DA did not have camping..
Yeah I started with DDDA, and I'm like, "Wait camping? I thought I left that in BG3!"
So you can snipe unsuspecting people without needing to move? 🙃🙃
@@shis1988 yes, as the strider and ranger classes
but no literal camping
I was waiting for that game, now i don't even want to pirate it. It just feels like such an insult.
You can litterally mod anything in from the micro-transactions. They're such a joke.
it's funny how ppl exploded with the mtx of this game when RE4R is the same thing with overwhelming positive reviews, I don't see you hating on that game, the same with DMC and MH
They only put them for sale a month after, and people did complain.
After more than 600 hours on BG3 I was hyped for this one. Sad I have to not buy it because of MT, because whoever is responsiblefor MT, our only solution is to not buy the game to show we are not okay with MT everywhere.
Everything you said is exactly how I feel very well put
Microtransactions should always be seen as bad in a $70 single-player game as a principle. I don't trust the publishers to maintain the game (or franchise) friendly to a singular-payment model. It's also a possible issue for people who want to have fun with CE, I don't think acquiring those items through "cheating" would adhere to Steam policies, since they're part of the game's revenue.
I have heard conspiracy theories about how making it impossible to start a new character from the game's UI was to sell more character changes. I don't think we're there yet, but I fully believe we'll get there eventually.
I dont get things like ,,you dont need to buy them, you can get this items in game,, - They making this items so rare and hard to earn that you need buy them, Otherwise go travel in foot instead of fast travel. You can? ofc you can but its boring and bad as hell but you can buy fast travel... They just strip game from basic mechanic and trying to sell them. Like why the hell i can only get one character. And all that in singleplayer game. Well question is - will they make more money from that now? Ofc they will, but they will lose reputation and long terms incomes.
I have to admit that once I saw the amount of microtransactions in Steam I just immediately stopped caring about the game and thought thats not for me. I did not even give it a chance because of that.
I agree 100% but I also feel like a hostage, no restart option should be a given.
The thing with low FPS is that people are not defending it as much because it is something tangable, you can see that it effects a game in a bad way and so people say it's bad and other agree, with microtransactions you don't really see an effect if you don't participate (I mean you don't buy it you don't have it) and you can get those items later. But it may change the industry, it may mean that new MTX will be introduced later in the game that may be more outrageous, it may mean that the game will be more tedious to make MTX more appealing so as a overall practise it's bad, and so it is at this same time easy to defend and attack creating more drama than current real issues may have.
Also it is sad to see people like you who are pationate about gaming having their experience with the game tarnished due to those silly things 😞
Gamers™️ are too busy crying over women and minorities actually making games to care for MTX or other heinous practices.
The game having issues with performance, pretty huge ones, would not have been as bad, if it was the only problem, I feel that Jedi: Survivor had launched in a rougher state, but the initial reception was not as bad, BUT the microtransactions and the lack of a "New game" function, had sealed the deal for many, now there is more fuel to the fire and what a "fiery" reception it was.
I refunded the game (deluxe edition) due to the poor performance and the fact that they had no in game way to restart, the game reeks of being unfinished. This is not being released in early access, this is a $70 ($80) AAA game FFS. The MTX was a secondary negative/insult. FU Capcom
1) For performance its understandable, although not that bad. If you can get 60fps outside/combat, than i dont think its such a major issue worth refunding or crying. If cant reach that, than i understand.
2) Why would you want to restart? Not to mention, it has been acknowledge as an issue they are looking into it, you can change your starting class in first ~30min of the game (you buy new class, which cost extremely cheap, and get to keep it; you can change between bought classes as much as you want and whenever you are near npc who can do that.). As for appearance, you had what? 2 weeks to make your characters how you want? Why didnt you? Even in case you NEED to change something, by the time you reach one of the main cities and with some extra questing/exploring, you will be able to change your character looks.
You could even just delete save files and restart :/
what part of my statement above is incorrect???
"the game reeks of being unfinished" is pretty plain wording.
Returning the game is my option, maybe when they finish the game I'll buy it again.
But feel free to fanboy away it's issues. That is your option. . .
@@Troy-gk8pri see you read nothing, because you have 0 points to provide as counter arguments.
Go live in echo chamber just like all these mxt crybabies. Watch Luality whole video. She explains it, because i see you listen to barely anything.
If one company gets in bed with another company that has anti-consumer practices then you can't trust either. If a developer doesn't want to lose customer good will then they shouldn't partner with bad publishers.
This is why the industry hates and fears the success of BG3. It broke the paradigm and make players demand the same thing.
It was an incredible experience. I heard performance was a mess, so I decided to quickly create some garbage character to see for myself. It was bad, but still somewhat playable, so I decided to stick with it. I went back to the main menu to restart the game with a proper character and somehow I can't do that. So I got a refund instead.
They did all this for the original game and the stuff got unlocked with progression or with Dark Arisen. It's basically the same here. I never spent a penny on microtransactions and I didn't notice it in the old game. I doubt I'll notice here either.
I understand if people are mad but I honestly don't think it will impact playthroughs. The save file thing and NPC framerate stuff is far worse.
"They did it before" isn't a good excuse. People, things, and ideas should become better over time, not worse.
@@agustinandrade9272 My point was that it was both not a surprise and inconsequential.
The amount of MTX have increased since then and it is the only matter of time before they make the grind more obnoxious in the future title so MTX is more alluring....People love to point out how some of Capcom game ( not all , they started the trend a decade ago and Capcom have existed longer than that ) have MTX , they failed to mention how small the MTX store was . Just compare DMC 4 and DMC 5 , you will see huge difference . So my conclusion is that they just gonna ramp it up since the vocal one are OK with it . At one point they will start to sell in-game very rare item and some fools will defend it .
Elden Ring came out last literal year with a steed and working checkpoints. In fact DS2 all the way to that did.
The Horizon series had a steed since the original in 2017. And fast travel.
There is no excuse for the deliberately made awful design choices.
@@shis1988 What? Of course there is, and it's differing opinions. Though I admit I didn't play DD until Dark Arisen where you got an eternal ferrystone. If you don't like it, that's perfectly fine and valid.
Also Elden Ring came out 2 years ago.
The graphics looks crappy .
The single save file is what kills it for me.
One point I would like to add is that I feel people are being unfairly harsh to Capcom for this. Cos mtx was there in DMC5, Resident Evil and Monster Hunter series. Yet, this got a huge fire for it. Why? I feel the build-up from the disappointments of other games being buggy on release or bad monetization has accumulated so much that the bubble burst and Dragon's Dogma 2 got the shit of it.
They are complaining as if the game has severely limited the player experience and would force them to give in to mtx like it is some kind of F2P game. This tells me they never played the game and those who do so said otherwise. Sure Capcom deserves the criticisms for the buggy release and mtx. However, I feel the main complaint was never ever about the game itself but all about buggy releases and mtx in general. I feel people are going way, waaay overboard with this. Hence, Dragon's Dogma 2 became the scapegoat as the prime target to vent that accumulated anger at. This is unfair.
if people would stop buying MTX it wouldent be an issue and it would solve itself, MTX is 95% the end user fault for buying them, and 5% the publishers that put it and see that it works.
the real issue is preformence.
If you sell a game for 70 bucks (and it doesn't even come with physical goodies such as manual) you have no right to sell microtransactions, whether the things are obtainable in-game or not.
The problem is that people can forgive one issue or two (take Helldivers 2 in example)... but when there are a lof of them... the forgiveness limit is exausted and then everyting is a problem... It's just adding... The MTX are just the final drop that makes people inrage.
Probably for some people the MTX are irrelevant, but when you have a big problem you can't stop asking yourself are this is not bad designed because of the MTX? In example (MINOR SPLOIRE FOR THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF THE GAME) I had a crash on a griphon in the begining and the only autosave returned me in the place when the enemies killed me every time before I can control my character (the autosave places are questionable too)... and i didn't have a Inn save yet... so game over for me, 70 euro wasted for 5 minutes of gaming... I needed to delete the save file risking a Denuvo ban, this was the only option to play the game again... No option to restart... Why? Maybe becuase they need to sell the stupid MTX to change the chracter appereance if somebody pressed the wrong button in the character creation... I know that you can buy this in game latter, but not everybody know this espetialy in the begginig and if not watching youtube. I restarted many other games in the past in the first few minutes because I didn't like my character and they don't have a option to edit apperence at all(with is fine). Why here we don't have restart unless it's to sell the MTX for the people that don't watch youtube videos to know that later you can buy it in game? There is litteraly no other reason... The bigger problem is that this MTX combined with the crashes and the Denuvo breaks the game compability for some people. So the final in the MTX, if there wasn't a MTX, then there will not be a lack of restart, then the crash wloud not be a game breaking bug. And thet you start asking everytime when someting is even a little bit inconvinient... is it designed like this just to sell MTX?
Wait, so their is only honour mode and single character....
Dd1 has same items,only after dlc was free. 12 year before.
Thanks for this video. The worst part of the whole thing was reviewers calling it a "masterpiece". How can a game with garbage performance and gross mtx practices be called a "masterpiece"?
Some reviewers got too big and turned into shills 🤨
Game is a masterpiece. I also didn't know there was micro transactions after playing 35 hours...UNTIL I saw the drama on the Internet.
SO...if you didn't have the Internet...you wouldn't EVER know you are SUPPOSE to hate this game.
The bad reviews are beyond ridiculous.
It's just annoying, because MTX have been a thing for a long time, but they have evolved in such a malicious and lazy way. Back on my Xbox 360, I used to spend $10-$20 on DLC to get big map packs for call of duty or Halo. It was actually buying additional content on an already completed game.
Now these games are just selling "features" that aren't actually content. They are just trying to sell you stuff that require 0 actual dev work and only exist to psychologically bait you, usually by being time efficient, which seems to be what baits a lot of people. (IE I can spend 10 hours on this grind, or I can send $1.99 to corner cut it. That is very time efficient for all the wrong reasons)
Amazing game, except for the trivial difficulty, mostly noticable in new game plus. The very mediocre story, both main and side stories. I like how they have impact on the overal experience, but having story walls and very little replay value to visit older zones more than twice... Gameplay itself is amazing, but you don't get any of the fun classes until mid-to-late game. A lack of build variety for pawns does hurt the sequel a little more than I expected. The gear creep trivializes almost 90% of ALL gear near endgame. Meaning, in order to perform optimally, you either have to grind a lot of the same content, or accept that almost all cool looking gear you encountered in a new game, becomes trivialized. Endgame pawn hiring, was always bad in the original, but in this one it seems that the 10.000 gold quest reward is starting to become mandatory. The bonus, ending where the world changes around you. Absolutely awesome, yet completely underdeveloped. Amazing boss fights for 1-2 tries, but kind of a joke after that. Since Dragons Dogma 2 will have similar DLC patterns to Monster Hunter and the original, we will 100% get an expansion that will turn a (now) 7/10 game with limited replay value (due to the lack of difficulty), into a game you can play for 400+ hours. Just like the original.
Capcom loves selling you the best Pizza's in the world, but you pay full price for a pizza margarita, and you pay double for a pizza with meat and veggies. They can't fix the story. Gear Creep won't go away. Difficulty is to be seen, possible (the same) hard mode, and if an expansion pack is released, it will likely deliver on all difficulty wants the playerbase has right now.
The problem is hype culture itself. People hyped this game for years before release, and the publisher saw that hype and ran it to the moon, then thought they could get away with more "squeezing" on the players' wallets. The publishers only care about ONE thing, and that's quarterly profits. They don't care if the game is good, or if players love the game or hate it. None of that matters. People STILL bought the game, even knowing the issues with optimization and the poor MTX decisions, because "they'll fix it." I can't count how many times this has happened in modern gaming.
STOP. BUYING. INCOMPLETE. GAMES.
Totalbiscuit spent his entire career trying to inform us against this kind of crap. Stop preordering because they dangle some shiny cosmetic in front of you. Stop buying into hype because they released a cinematic. Wait for reviews from credible journalists or content creators you trust. Stop rewarding these crap publishers by buying these games with the expectation that it will eventually be what you hope it will. All you do is reinforce their behavior.
The game isn't good for the price tag. It's a sub-standard game with a lot of reviewers who seemingly haven't played any actual RPG games. There is no system or mechanic added to this game that's unique. The game is not an open world RPG, it's a linear tunnel crawler in very nicely "hidden" tunnels - a system of main roads between mountains. It's an action RPG with a mediocre story, an okay combat system and nothing really ground-breaking. The issue is that it costs 80 dollars when it should be 40. And obviously, MTX and bad performance/bad gameplay is just the cherry on top. Clipping, movesets being bugged and a lot of other issues. It feels rushed and completely unfinished.
While microtransactions are abhorrent, the real fuckery imo comes with the safe file/character change and Denuvo stuff. Whatever happened to games like this giving the player access to the dev console and such? Now we have malicious anti-cheat in single-player RPG's.
I'm sure the game is good, and I agree that criticism of the game itself should be kept separate from the rightful lynching the publishers deserve, but I actually can't stomach the fucking AUDACITY of Capcom to pull this shit, much less the idea of giving them even a cent for it. Maybe I'll try it if DD2 gets the Dark Arisen treatment, but for now I'm staying away on principle. This cannot be allowed to stand.
guys does the game actually looks good? it really gives me pre-2015 game vibes. for me, the city feels dead and the story isn't engaging. and unfortunately the lack of plot, NPCs isn't the publisher's fault. i really don't think it's worth the price, not even counting the microtransactions (and I also think that that was *the* problem - price + microtransactions, not just microtransactions alone)
They put Ian McShane in the commercial, and I wonder why? A great actor, I love him in films, but for commercial purposes? Of course, this doesn't come cheap. There really are a lot of people working in the industry who don't know what gaming is. Now cases like Sweet Baby, kutako are exploding, this has to stop now.
No. The biggest problem is that this is sold as a sequel. But it's clearly a reboot.
It has nothing to do with the previous game. Even the title screen doesn't actually say "2".
As such it has given the developers both the freedom to add whatever they want, but also to return things that was once adressed before, but now they took a step back.
Dark Arisen gave us the Eternal Ferrystone as a response for the poor fast travel mechanics in the game, now we are back to regular ones.
And allowing us only 4 skills rather than the previous 4. WHY? This just lowered the versatility of the combat by a lot.
Especially when they removed the Strider and Assassin class.
Dark Arisen allowed us to play on hard mode, but not in DD2.
Also it has a lot of outdated stuff that was excusable 12 years ago but not today such as The brine being excuse for no swimming mechanics. And the game has no mount.
In a world full of monsters, but also oxes, even rabbits and goats and other creatures like from our world, we are to believe they have no horses? Not even a goddamn donkey?
A mount would have helped a lot with inventory managment with its saddlebag. But now we have to constantly manage our inventory in this game.
Don't get me wrong. It's a hell of a fun game. But these are some of the issue that should not be excused in any way.
Also why are we on consoles forced to play in 2k when it clearly can't keep a steady framerate?
Almost all other games gives you the option to play in 1080p if you want to run on 60fps.
Okay, can we talk about how this is basically every AAA game these days. I remember when AAA used to mean quality, less bugs, a complete experience. But now it's like AAA means you're paying for a big crew and/or big studio working with an IP, shoveling out shit we've already played, the game will run like shit, they will promise to eventually fix the game, but from experience that's not a guarantee
Yeah this has overblown thanks to so called "AAA" shenigans and noone really looked at what kind of mtx is there, people just started screaming.
This kind of "convinience" MTX is part of japanese RPG for more than decade. The idea was propbably to offer people ability to skip some grind ingame to save time, since when you are adult, you tend to have more money than time to play and grind. But usualy ingame grind was not ment to dissuade people from playing and it was enjoyable, but still was something that took some time. At least at start it was not greedy, but rather solid give/take relationship - you can buy things to save time and we get more money.
It was later when other developers started to utilize this with greed, punishing ingame grind in favor for MTX, that this become seen as negative thing.
The Art of Methamorphosis thing - Capcom imho completely miscalculated how often prople might want to change look of their characters. There is lot of systems and things in game that shows the age of ideas behind game - single save file included. They could at least learn from souls game and allow multiple characters, each with single file... And the inability to sell directly from storage in cities - yet you can enhance from storage materials...
The optimization is not excusable though. After all that time Capcom should have better knowledge how to optimize for PC. Bluepoint should open developer academy for optimization I think :)
First of all, people are making a big deal over NOTHING with the microtransactions. You wouldn't realize they existed except for triggered people screaming about them (literally in their own menu that you barely see at all). The items you can buy are not even hard to acquire in game as long as you have a basic knowledge of how to play/farm. So it's really a pointless complaint.
Second, the bigger issue to me was the save system (or lack thereof). The autosave feature is way too aggressive and I've had inn saves that bugged, crashed to desktop and then disappeared (no option to load Last Inn Save). This has turned several glitches (things that would have normally required a simple reload to fix) into major bugs that affected gameplay (such as inability to complete quests). It's also a shame because there are decisions that really matter in this game, but you can't have a second playthrough to experience the other outcomes. Luckily, the devs have been responsive and have said they are going to fix this and give us additional saves.
Honestly, most of the complaints about DD2 are either meaningless or have already been addressed by the dev team. In terms of devs, I'll give them a thumbs up for responding quickly and working to release updates that will fix the major issues that people are complaining about. To the people that are whining about microtransactions: get over it. This is the future of gaming. It's not going away. Start to move from whining to encouraging the companies that do it right like Capcom (not in your face, not game changing, only selling items you can get through regular gameplay).
I bought this game and have yet to play it and all I have heard is about the micro transaction issue. It certainly is a Marketing Fool’s idea to make a few extra dollars quickly but really, who needs the micro transactions anyway? I think they are there for the impatient gamer who wants to start a new game and have all the potent potions, armours or weapons RIGHT NOW instead of toiling and searching for them in game. So, micro transactions are not an issue for me. Resolution and clarity of graphics carries more weight, definitely. In 2024, with the chip power at the disposal of developers, clarity and resolution should be non negotiable. Either way, I am attracted to the world and potential of the story and gameplay, so I’ll definitely be playing my copy at some point. We, as gamers, have our rights to opinions, but sometimes a game gets totally killed by a little selfishness on both the part of marketers and gamers as well. Just leave the transactions and give it a try. If you play and hate the world, gameplay, story etc….then you tried something new. It’s the only way to find the next Baldur’s Gate experience isn’t it? Try and try again. I enjoyed your opinion here, Luality. Intelligently composed and expressed. 🐰🌹
the real problem is that the game runs like dog shit. I've had to write a damn batch file to make DD2 the cpu priority. Then turn off any application that could run in the background like discord or even a internet browser. All of this just so I can get a solid 60fps and decent framepacing on mid/high settings on a r5 7600x and rtx 4070ti. It's a single player game, so you don't need to do any form of microtransactions. What you do need to do is be able to actually play the game properly...
A full price single player game shouldn't have mtx. This is completely useless 90% of the time because it is either skins only you (the player) see or just for upgrade faster. Those companies are just greedy. The game is good and deserve some love but they decide to ruin it.
Oh well, I'll wait 1 year until the game is like 30€ and have no performance issues. Pretty much what I do with almost every games recently.
BG3 left the expectation too high, they gave us a full game, and they DID EARN A LOT OF MONEY, I refuse to let these microtransaction market get any longer as player, this already ruined so many games that i loved.
I don't know about the defending the game devs. I doubt the publisher made the devs make 1 save file that can't be deleted or making multiple save files. I think the devs were on board with all this garbage.
First of all, yes, it is unfortunate that this game takes all the backlash for that sort of DLC, especially since Capcom has been doing this for a long while now. Most recently RE4 remake had similar DLC and people expressed their dislike but let it slide at that point. However, micro transactions in singleplayer games is extremely important topic that needed to be addressed, sooner rather than latter. It's just a slippery slope and publisher will go down it as much as they are allowed. Before you know it, we'd end up with games completely crippled in favor for pushing DLC purchases to players.
Secondly, you are assuming this game isn't optimized. The fact that it runs pretty poorly on consoles as well as on PC, tells us it's probably just too much for modern day hardware and it will run better on computers and consoles that don't yet exist. Either that, or they didn't have time to optimize even console versions which is usually top priority.
Sure. Its a problem of publishing. However. We cannot accept poorly released games. If we cut them slack they'll keep doing it. I learned from the terrible launch of cyberpunk. Launched in a bad state, don't buy.
My problem with it is mostly the poorly optimized state it seems to be in. But the micro transactions are Also really shit
Nah, biggest problem with the game is that is owned and published by Capcom. I was never a big fan of the original game, but with how poorly Capcom has been behaving in recent years with sliding in DRM into decades old games to trying to prevent people from modding their games with visual overhauls to their liking to even their decades long attempt at selling DLC that should be just free in game; the company lost all credibility long ago. I mentioned I didn't enjoy the first game, but reality is, even if I did, moment I see CAPCOM on the packaging, I outright nope out of there without hesitation.
From what i saw from reading the reviews, mtx is not the core problem. It's that for 70$ you get crashes and poor optimization for a game that looks ok.But not near next-gen. And to top that there's mtx. Of course people will be mad about that. If the release would've gone smooth, a lot less people would bring up the mtx.
P.S. that been said mtx in single player games are cancer.
The game is literally a copy/pasted prettier version of dragons dogma 1. This was just a nostalgia money grab.
No new enemies but firey/stone lizards. The exact same endgame fight from the first game... they probably made DD2 in ~1 year since all they did was upgrade the graphics and make caves.
The more I learn about the game, the more I'm glad to not have purchased it, especially on my very fixed income. One save for a $70 game? With Mtx? And poor optimization? Jebus.
I really don't care about the micros.. i know a lot of gamers just boycott micros in general, but imo the biggest problem are the people who never played DD at all, they think that the devs or publishers sell them features you should have, like in every other game. but they don't, fast traveling is per design limited, they just added micro portcrystals for lazy players or players who don't have a lot of time but money. And the rest you get in the deluxe edition anyway, but you could say that with the micros you don't need to buy the whole deluxe and just the 1 thing you want... i know a lot of people don't have the same budget as me per example and 70 can be a lot, but i donno guys 70 or 80 for a game you will spend several 100 hours, is that really a lot? I think not... in my country 70€ is an normal restaurant evening with friends and not even a long one (per person, i mean a good food no fast food) micros ok, let them put them in the game who cares ? just don't buy them especially in DD2 you don't need you don't have any advantage evenon the contrary, with the portcrystals you ruin the games design
I personally avoid buying games with MTX that changes game progression speed or pay-to-win or anything like that. Cosmetics are the only exception, because I personally don't really care for cosmetics- and I think that is the most reasonable type of MTX that exists, because it really is just selling art instead of actual core gameplay.
It's about entirely avoiding the trap in the first place. I'm sure there is loads of people who do NOT intend to purchase MTX when they go into the game, but then fall victim to it anyways because the game has thoughtfully calculated how to make it as appealing and convenient as possible for you to succumb to. I'm just going to avoid the title entirely so I can avoid getting hooked and falling for this crap later down the road.