if land destruction has 10k fans, I'm one of them, if land destruction has 100 fans I'm one of them, if land destruction has 2 fans, I'm one of them, if land destruction has 1 fan, I'm the one, if land destruction has no fans, start searching for my corpse, I died
Or Sudden Shock, to get around Pact of Negation or them just paying 18 instead of 19 life. Although of course Sudden Shock is 1R, which you won't always have. Sudden Shock is hilarious but probably not actually good.
Love the video Phil! Just wanted to congratulate Wizards for making Turn 1 wins even more viable😂 I don't mind, i love a good storm deck, but i've seen and heard a lot of people are not too happy about it
I wonder if Loam would a suitable replacement in the Deeproot spot. It synergizes way better with Six as it enables you to play multiple things from your GY each turn, especially since both mill cards. It would also make the Mox Diamond you mentioned at the end of the video much better.
I think the selection of a single Lush Portico is really worthwhile here. Yes it undermines your T2 Phantom, but only if you've got no other W source in your hand on T2. The number of times you were Reclaimering or Flagstones to deckthin and hoping for a good topdeck might've turned some matches. Surveiling a permanent threat is also potential card advantage with Six
I kept wishing you had one or two ghost quarters to take them off basics once they ran out of ones in deck. Phantom already pressures their basic count so it might be worthwhile, especially if you're replaying them off wayfarer and the likes. Eventually it's much better than wasteland
Not sure how much I like Thalia alongside Vexing bauble as she makes the bauble do nothing. I’m sure it’s normally fine but I’d be worried about that nonbo
My first ever T1 deck was land-D, back in 1999-2000ish. 4x stone rain, pillage, thermorcast, wasteland. Finishers were ernhman djinn & balduvian horde 😅
Surprised not to see a one-of Loam in the deck or any other utility lands... but I suppose there's no way you could fit a Saga package or something of the sort in this gameplan. Is the green-white creatureland worth a damn?
Likewise surprised. I was also kinda surprised to not see a singke ghost quarter or sone basic land kill, to eventually run them out of the 1 or 2 basics they may have. Or maybe a singleton copy of depths stage to fish for as a somewhat cheap combo kill.
I really liked this deck. Was gonna say though, I feel like the elves aren’t doing much since you don’t have many of the important utility lands in the deck. Maybe replace them with something else? You almost entirely used them as 3/4s, which is fine I guess.
Is Gut Shot maybe a good sideboard card versus Necrodominance? Assuming they go down to 1 life each time, they can pay the 19 life, and with the draw ability on the stack, pay 2 life to ding them one and they're dead. Maybe get 2+ in hand versus when they have chancellor of the annex as well.
At 11:34, how does his opponent cast Beseech? Necro triggers at the beginning of the end step is there a 2.nd main after the Necro trigger resolves? or could he cast Beseech at instant speed? I don't get it.
born upon a wind gives their stuff flash, so as long as they can string instant speed mana into manamorphose to make blue for born upon a wind, they can then play their stuff before moving to the cleanup step
On one hand yes, on the other hand this deck needs G and WW in the early turns and already has a bunch of lands that produce 0 or 1 colors. We've seen Phil in the games occasionally not being able to cast spells. So realistically speaking you'd have to play Ghost Quarter over a spell, not a land, if you want to be able to keep casting your own spells. And I don't know if Ghost Quarter is good enough in that context. Maybe as a sideboard card? I think if they're on the ropes and you have Elvish Reclaimer active, it might be better to just get a Nantuko Monastery and murder them (keep in mind that with Moxen and Lotus Petal, some decks will eventually get out from any amount of land destruction).
Some people enjoy doing that to others. But yeah, I don't enjoy getting combo-killed before my first turn either. Ultimately though, this is competitive Legacy, so you need to rely on bans and not on players's good will to stop stupidity like this.
@@andrewwang7699 "how do people stand playing a FORMAT", I assume. Yeah, the turn 1 combo kill deck is pretty stupid -- and it's not even that glass cannony because it can easily play Pact of Negation maindeck. I hope Necrodominance eats a ban.
I don't agree. This is very clearly a "kill them early or lose" type or deck, hence the possibility of hardcast / recur'd Solitude isn't that good (you'll lose against an actual control deck anyway if the games go long). And in the early game, I prefer not to lose my White Orchid Phantom or Stoneforge Mystic to remove their creature (because that's what you'll often have to pitch). If this deck wasn't so early game focused,, then I'd agree.
In Round 5, Match 2, isn't it a little dangerous to run out Thalia as well as two Vexing Baubles, given thalia tax turns on Force of Vigor and similar cards. Or is it that putting pressure on the oppo and closing the game faster is the safer choice vs oops all spells?
I sorta wish White Orchid Phantom were Legendary (or at least 1W). Delighted Halfling seems like a significant upgrade but obviously doesn't play well with the Phantom. /edit/ I made this comment before watching the video where Phil immediately discusses this same topic hahah
This is the sort of content that keeps me interested in Legacy. Six had a surprisingly good showing, it's such a grindy card. Great league, very fun watch.
You need to use flash so that you can immediately make use of the cards drawn with Necrodominance during your end step OR to combo off during your opponent's upkeep to shut off Force of Negation.
Hey Phil! As always love the decks and the commentary. I think there was a strictly better line at 43:36 wether they have removal or not, which was to put reclaimer and white orchid in front of the 2/3 and then reclaimer in front of the 1/2. If they don't have removal then they basically loose on the spot (throw 2 cards so that they remove 1 reclaimer? Throw hand to have 1 frog survive combat but still loose the other and get only white orchid phantom?.) If they have push + random card, then their best line is to push the reclaimer in front of the 2/3 and let the 1/2 frog die, which kills your phantom in combat. That way they would loose push + frog and would not get to draw any card, you would loose reclaimer + phantom. Game is still live there and your outcome is better I think. Your outcome (we dont know if they had removal or not) means trading phantom + card drawn x frog, which looks like a worse outcome than what would've happened in the split push had they had the removal imo? Thanks for the content!
Basically at any point they can push a reclaimer to convert their result into the other result but having drawn 1 more card and having 1 less counter on the frog that is alive, which basically is (in the worst case) a free cycle?
Winning turn 1 on a mull to 3 makes me want to puke
This was just unhealthy.
Based on that, and the fact that necropotence is banned in the format, I don't see necrodominance evading the banhammer for long
LED echo has been around for years. They need exactly BBB and a necro, it’s the same chance. This is way more dangerous.
Do I like land destruction? NO! I LOVE IT! I am land destruction biggest fan.
if land destruction has 10k fans, I'm one of them, if land destruction has 100 fans I'm one of them, if land destruction has 2 fans, I'm one of them, if land destruction has 1 fan, I'm the one, if land destruction has no fans, start searching for my corpse, I died
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@@doomkingraye7692 play it all the time... also got a kenrith ld deck.
that turn 1 kill off mull to 3 was brutal. turns out releasing necrodominace at home but it's actually still fucking cracked is PRETTY GOOD.
I think the Willy Wonka "you get nothing!" rant would have also be been a good stand in for the intro lol
Gutshot might be a hilarious sideboard tech vs necrodominance lists.
Honestly that's probs why they only went down to 2 in game 2
unfortunately, by the time you get the chance they have a very good chance of having a pact
They either can win in response or have a pact of negation
Or Sudden Shock, to get around Pact of Negation or them just paying 18 instead of 19 life.
Although of course Sudden Shock is 1R, which you won't always have. Sudden Shock is hilarious but probably not actually good.
That would indeed be hilarious
Love the video Phil! Just wanted to congratulate Wizards for making Turn 1 wins even more viable😂 I don't mind, i love a good storm deck, but i've seen and heard a lot of people are not too happy about it
I wonder if Loam would a suitable replacement in the Deeproot spot. It synergizes way better with Six as it enables you to play multiple things from your GY each turn, especially since both mill cards. It would also make the Mox Diamond you mentioned at the end of the video much better.
I think the selection of a single Lush Portico is really worthwhile here. Yes it undermines your T2 Phantom, but only if you've got no other W source in your hand on T2.
The number of times you were Reclaimering or Flagstones to deckthin and hoping for a good topdeck might've turned some matches. Surveiling a permanent threat is also potential card advantage with Six
As a combo player, that first match was so beautiful it made me cry tears of joy
I kept wishing you had one or two ghost quarters to take them off basics once they ran out of ones in deck. Phantom already pressures their basic count so it might be worthwhile, especially if you're replaying them off wayfarer and the likes. Eventually it's much better than wasteland
Not sure how much I like Thalia alongside Vexing bauble as she makes the bauble do nothing. I’m sure it’s normally fine but I’d be worried about that nonbo
White Orchid Phantom is a cool card! It would be even _cooler_ if combined with Leonin Arbiter and Flickerwisp!!!
Love seeing White Orchid Phantom seeing play - Maze and Dryad Arbor with Nadu on R2G2 though - That was some great unexpected value.
Honestly one of my favorite videos, that last match for the opponent had to be painful.
My first ever T1 deck was land-D, back in 1999-2000ish. 4x stone rain, pillage, thermorcast, wasteland. Finishers were ernhman djinn & balduvian horde 😅
Also Six looked amazing.
nice explanation at the wrap-up
Please be good please be good please be good
It's only a matter of time before wizards prints a "Oops! All Land Destruction" list
Surprised not to see a one-of Loam in the deck or any other utility lands... but I suppose there's no way you could fit a Saga package or something of the sort in this gameplan. Is the green-white creatureland worth a damn?
Likewise surprised. I was also kinda surprised to not see a singke ghost quarter or sone basic land kill, to eventually run them out of the 1 or 2 basics they may have. Or maybe a singleton copy of depths stage to fish for as a somewhat cheap combo kill.
I mean, recurring white orchid phantom with Six does what those Quarter does, right
@@andrewwang7699 iirc, they don't do basic land destruction like strip mines. The point of the ghost quarter would be to get those too
@@jaredschroeder7555 ah fair, makes sense
Selesnya Pox? lets gooooooo
33:40 maybe it would have been better to exile Grief before its first trigger?
Is Loam too slow for this deck? The ability to retrace it with Six and still keep your normal draw step seems pretty strong
Image in 2016 someone calling Reanimator one of the "fair" decks. Ah, how times have changed!
I really liked this deck. Was gonna say though, I feel like the elves aren’t doing much since you don’t have many of the important utility lands in the deck. Maybe replace them with something else? You almost entirely used them as 3/4s, which is fine I guess.
10:50 Lol is he playing around Gutshot?
Is Gut Shot maybe a good sideboard card versus Necrodominance? Assuming they go down to 1 life each time, they can pay the 19 life, and with the draw ability on the stack, pay 2 life to ding them one and they're dead. Maybe get 2+ in hand versus when they have chancellor of the annex as well.
It's actually been discussed a bit, and I think a lot of the players have been opting to go down to 2 life post board for exactly that reason.
To once again confirm, land destruction IS what the ladies like
Whats the lore on what kind of teacher thrab is?
Beginning of the deck tech - can't really recur wasteland with six right?
52:40 i stand corrected..you got a wasteland from the mill by six
You heard correctly, Phil.
This deck looks like it only does well with an expert like Phil behind the wheel.
At 11:34, how does his opponent cast Beseech? Necro triggers at the beginning of the end step is there a 2.nd main after the Necro trigger resolves? or could he cast Beseech at instant speed? I don't get it.
Borne Upon a Wind was cast.
born upon a wind gives their stuff flash, so as long as they can string instant speed mana into manamorphose to make blue for born upon a wind, they can then play their stuff before moving to the cleanup step
Down with the greedy landbasers!
Would a ghost quarter make sense to strip mine basics after you’ve hit them with a few WOP triggers, ?since you have recursion
On one hand yes, on the other hand this deck needs G and WW in the early turns and already has a bunch of lands that produce 0 or 1 colors. We've seen Phil in the games occasionally not being able to cast spells.
So realistically speaking you'd have to play Ghost Quarter over a spell, not a land, if you want to be able to keep casting your own spells. And I don't know if Ghost Quarter is good enough in that context. Maybe as a sideboard card?
I think if they're on the ropes and you have Elvish Reclaimer active, it might be better to just get a Nantuko Monastery and murder them (keep in mind that with Moxen and Lotus Petal, some decks will eventually get out from any amount of land destruction).
@@lightworker2956 thanks for the reply
No land no peace.
11:42 is this fun for anyone involved?
i think oppo had fun, not exactly what i would call fair though
Some people enjoy doing that to others. But yeah, I don't enjoy getting combo-killed before my first turn either.
Ultimately though, this is competitive Legacy, so you need to rely on bans and not on players's good will to stop stupidity like this.
Turn 1 win on a mul to 3 seems... Not fun to play against...
How do people stand playing a for at where t1 wins are increasingly the norm?
a for at?
Well those decks are pretty glass cannony and vulnerable to disruption
@@andrewwang7699 "how do people stand playing a FORMAT", I assume.
Yeah, the turn 1 combo kill deck is pretty stupid -- and it's not even that glass cannony because it can easily play Pact of Negation maindeck. I hope Necrodominance eats a ban.
Winning on a Turn 1 on a mull to 3…
Solitude likely a better option over some number of swords and path's as it can be retraced with Six.
I don't agree. This is very clearly a "kill them early or lose" type or deck, hence the possibility of hardcast / recur'd Solitude isn't that good (you'll lose against an actual control deck anyway if the games go long). And in the early game, I prefer not to lose my White Orchid Phantom or Stoneforge Mystic to remove their creature (because that's what you'll often have to pitch).
If this deck wasn't so early game focused,, then I'd agree.
I am essentially of the opinion that any reasonable combo that lets you win before your opponent’s first turn should be banned.
Doesn't Thalia negate Vexing Bauble?
yes it does, it's a nombo
Cycling through 2 one rings with Six is just great. As long as you can discard a land you have protection from everything forever.
In Round 5, Match 2, isn't it a little dangerous to run out Thalia as well as two Vexing Baubles, given thalia tax turns on Force of Vigor and similar cards.
Or is it that putting pressure on the oppo and closing the game faster is the safer choice vs oops all spells?
Cool deck, fun video. Thanks.
I'd be tempted to add one Nantuko Monastery that you can get with Elvish Reclaimer in the midgame.
Man necro seems tough to play against when you’re on the draw. Not sure if it’s bannable at this point but might be on the radar.
Last match was r o u g h, but very fun to watch
Oh hey, it is Swordfishtrombone!
Can confirm destroying lands are very fun
Ohhh Phil I LOVE land destruction
How would that deck play in modern?
R1g3 London mulligan good
I sorta wish White Orchid Phantom were Legendary (or at least 1W). Delighted Halfling seems like a significant upgrade but obviously doesn't play well with the Phantom.
/edit/ I made this comment before watching the video where Phil immediately discusses this same topic hahah
This is the sort of content that keeps me interested in Legacy. Six had a surprisingly good showing, it's such a grindy card. Great league, very fun watch.
can someone explain to me why the opponent needed to be able to cast everything like it had flash? it was his turn?
Borne upon a Wind was cast
You need to use flash so that you can immediately make use of the cards drawn with Necrodominance during your end step OR to combo off during your opponent's upkeep to shut off Force of Negation.
Love this channel, you inspired me to venture into other formats coming from an only cedh player
12:43 ThrabenU audition for Mongolian throat singing
Zero copies of Phelia exuberant shepherd seems odd to me
Ah Phil is cosplaying me as a deckbuilder today
Hey Phil! As always love the decks and the commentary.
I think there was a strictly better line at 43:36 wether they have removal or not, which was to put reclaimer and white orchid in front of the 2/3 and then reclaimer in front of the 1/2.
If they don't have removal then they basically loose on the spot (throw 2 cards so that they remove 1 reclaimer? Throw hand to have 1 frog survive combat but still loose the other and get only white orchid phantom?.)
If they have push + random card, then their best line is to push the reclaimer in front of the 2/3 and let the 1/2 frog die, which kills your phantom in combat.
That way they would loose push + frog and would not get to draw any card, you would loose reclaimer + phantom.
Game is still live there and your outcome is better I think.
Your outcome (we dont know if they had removal or not) means trading phantom + card drawn x frog, which looks like a worse outcome than what would've happened in the split push had they had the removal imo?
Thanks for the content!
Basically at any point they can push a reclaimer to convert their result into the other result but having drawn 1 more card and having 1 less counter on the frog that is alive, which basically is (in the worst case) a free cycle?
That round 1 was garbo
turn 1 wins in legacy is just dumb