ill be honest make it all analonge and mechanical. I will add the tech myself. Even though it saves them money (I get it) I can personalize to myliking as longe as your maintain my warranty.
There are plenty of states in the USA that have no inspections or emissions checks so you could import a new Hilux and register it easily. Someone should look into volume purchases so that you could get a cheaper trip on the boat over.
Make a petition to exclude japan from the chicken tax. Why did we tarriff foreign trucks because of something Europe did anyway? Makes no sense. Were we getting lots of trucks from europe?
Blame the company not the people. People just happen to be stuck. Nobody did anything when inflation happened now this. People have little power over price hikes. It's the companies that gouge you because that's what they've learned from last 100 years.
The trucks aren’t expensive they are only over priced.. literally nothing but headlights and interior change and every year they slap 5-10k increase on it
@@lifequest7453 Electrical tape works wonders. All this technology will one day be used to limit mileage and destinations, as well as prevent driving on certain days. The kill switch will arrive in the form of preventing DUI. Of course everyone will get on board with that. After it is accepted the kill switch will morph into its intended function.
@@JoeSmith-v7o Already rolled out. 'Geoff buys cars' regularly comments on developments - a number of manufacturers (Korean and Ford, I think), included geofencing and time-limiting in recent software updates. More to follow.
Americans won't buy them at 15K -- TOO many compromises for American tastes. In Thailand they are already $16K, so it would be in the 20s here easy. For a 2L I4 at that.
it's called supply and demand.... If a manufacturer or the dealer sells it below the price, dictated by its supply and demand curve... The trucks in short supply, will just get bought by insiders and resold at a higher price.... Check out the history of the USSR...(.NVM it's all a conspiracy LMAO) the only real solution is an increase in production, which takes time, KISS... the Maverick is slowly getting there... but who cares I thought most truck lovers, dismiss the Maverick is not being a truck?
Hey guys we have the Hilux here in Australia in SR5 its is 72k thats Dual cab 4x4 and we only have 2.8 D4D diesel engine now the V6 petrol finished in 2012 Kym Adelaide
They have no choice really but I think Americans are starting to wake up and get more realistic about this economy because big trucks are just sitting in lots these days.
@@imnugget8085your a moron. No truck payment should be more than 450 unless maybe its a full kitted welding rig. Hell a semi payment should be 1k not a damn pickup.
The biggest problem with the "affordable" pickup is corporate greed. Look at when then Maverick came out. A pickup marketed with a $19,995 proce tag gets to a dealership finally only to be marked up $10-20k
Dealerships that put "market adjustments" have nothing to do with corporations. That's simple greed at the business owner level. Mixed with really stupid consumers giving them all the reinforcement they need to continue the greed.
@@lifequest7453 Bingo! I have a 94 Honda Accord LX 2L 4cylinder and a 96 VW Golf GL 2L 4 cylinder manual transmission, these things are driven daily and are bulletproof and super reliable. I will NEVER sell them and the mfrs are making NOTHING today that even remotely appeals to me.
It's not just the chicken tax, the epa CAFE standards also incentivise larger footprint vehicles. Yep, only the government could cone up with a rule that tries to lower emissions, but actually ends up incentivising massive trucks with big engines, completely defeating the purpose. Also, even if they came out with a 15k truck, the price would double within a couple weeks. The demand would be just too great, this is exactly what happened with the maverick, it came out at 19k and the demand crippled supply and because Ford makes little margins on the maverick, they were not in a hurry to ramp up production. Instead they realized people were willing to pay upwards of 40k for the upper end models, and so it's in their interest to keep supply at a level that supports that price because consumers are dumb enough to buy it. It all boils down to the consumers, as long as we're dumb enough to keep paying exhorbant prices, they have no incentive to lower prices. Add on top of that, now banks and manufacturers are stretching loan terms to 7, 8, even ten years, the dumb consumers say, YEP! As long as the monthly payment is low, sign me up, this isn't going to change anytime soon
@@LegendStormcrow More correctly, the manufacturers had a hand in WRITING that law and "gamed" the standards. Because nothing says ethical like absolutely defeating the intent of the rules to make more money. or to put it another way ... "ethical American CEO" is a contradiction in terms.
This is so ridiculous it's not funny. Do you actually believe that the removal of restrictions is going to cause big corporations to suddenly start cutting consumers a break? All we'll end up with is huge overpriced trucks that instead of having to get 25 mpg they'll only need 6. Corporations are not in it to serve the customers, they're in it to make shed loads of money. The only way removing restrictions will hurt their bottom line is they remove the 25 yr gray import rule. Take that away and allow customers to import these cheap vehicles might do something. That will never happen.
@@BigBadJohnDiesel Unconstitutional laws CANNOT be enforced, even if they are on the books, if we had officials that actually honored their oaths of office.
So a 25% extra tax on a $11000 car is $2750. So at $13750 before sales tax and fees is still crazy affordable. So they could just charge the tax and people would still buy like crazy cuz the truck over all would still be less than 20k.
It's not the tax. It's the government cafe standards. To build an s10 today it would need to get 53+mpg for its size and still pass emissions. Not counting safty standards that increase weight like airbags and extra structural reinforcement
@@SaltyBob355 I saw another video about that truck and they said the reason they were not selling that truck in the US is because it does not have any emmision regulations on it and they were not gonna put any on it
I would definitely be into getting a cheap, but not cheaply made, truck. 5 speed manual and I'd even settle for roll up windows . A/C, great stereo with all the hookups , cruise control AND NO STOP START. That's it.
We already do! Find a pickup from the 50s, 60s or 70s that's been completely rebuilt and restored, gear shift, straight six, roll down windows and very simple and cheap to repair. I did it years ago and never looked back. Just make sure you get it undercoated thoroughly to protect against rust.
I drove a Hilux in Afghanistan for 10 months with a .50 Cal mounted. My favorite truck, so reliable it drove through IED explosions, mortar IDF, tons of direct 7.62 hits. Nothing like her!
Thank you for the content, always entertaining. I think the CAFE standards had more to do with the loss of small trucks, especially US made ones. I think the chicken tax does have some impact, but that is for imports - they could've made the trucks in the USA. The CAFE rules the EPA implemented relates emissions to vehicle size. Instead of lowering small truck emissions (probably HP too), they just make bigger trucks because bigger trucks are allowed to make more pollution. I was around when the tax was implemented. As I recall, the idea was the small truck buyers would buy cars instead of more expensive bigger trucks, thus lowering pollution. That of course did not happen since most truck buyers have at least some utilitarian use for their trucks.
@lifequest7453 the EPA rules still read that small trucks are only allowed small emissions regardless of what engine is in them. Larger vehicles get to pollute more. So small trucks with small engines are okay, but Americans don't really like slow stuff. I remember driving up Mt. Lassen in a small Chevy truck. I couldn't maintain a speed over 40 mph on the steep switchbacks. Kept having to pull over and let traffic pass me by.
I had a 1994 Nissan regular cab hardbody that I bought new.. It was so stripped that it didn't even have AC or a Radio. Don't remember exactly what I paid for it but it was well under $10K, I want to say $8K and some change. Best vehicle I've ever owned, it was bomb proof. Drove in 165K before I sold it and nothing had broke on it nothing.
Had a 93 Isuzu PUP, no AC, no rear bumber. Bought if for $8900. I drove it from Miami to the California bay area twice. Never 1 issue and it got close to 60 miles a gallon on the highway.
as someone who will porbably never retire, ive never been able to own any car or house, count ur blessing, u had it all and gave it up to abject evol like everyone else
Retired as well. Bought a used '85 f150 in 1991, drove it until 2013. Bought a used '02 f150 in 2013, and driving it now and hopefully until the year 2034. The '02 f150 is averaging about $100 a month in total cost over it's current lifespan, which isn't bad considering that I only do the easy maintenance now. I've done better, but money isn't what it used to be of late. Not that it ever was. Difficult to get a stick shift these days and without all the electronic crap. People seem to want living rooms on wheels.
@@servusvero meanwhile hundreds of millions of Americans own their own homes. Don’t equate your own situation with reality. May make you feel better to think this way. There are a million opportunities out there. Perhaps you’re watching too much negative / complaining / propaganda.
The U.S manufacturers have the ability to make a 10-15k truck now. They choose not to because they know they can make much more margin off the bigger trucks. Truth is, through consumerism, most people feel they need bigger vehicle with bells and whistles when these smaller, manual, vehicles would be perfect. People aspire to want more and dont want to settle for such a cheap vehicle. Unfortunately, cars have become such a status symbol it will never take off.
I worked construction and trades for decades. Sorry, no. Most working guys who use trucks as trucks don't give a rat's ass about all the goo gaws and jimmy jims. They'd trade digital dash, screens, lane assist all that crap for a reliable drive train. Why? Because we run on profit margins. All that garbage does is end up costing me money. Can't use my truck because the touch screen went down? software updates? lane assist is malfunctioning? I know one mech (ford) bought a new F150 and 2 wks in it went into limp mode ON THE HIGHWAY because the sensor lost contact with the key. I have ZERO issue with having to put a key into an ignition.
I had a 2003 Tacoma Base automatic 2 door pick-up that I sold last year with 125,000 miles on it. What a mistake! That was the best vehicle I've ever owned!
Toyota used to subvert the Chicken Tax by shipping a functional cab-on-frame to the Port of Long Beach then slapping an American-made bed and tailgate onto it at their local plant.
That happened in Portland, OR as well in the 1970's. I would drive by a huge lot with dozens of pickup beds stacked on pallets and the trucks w/o beds would come in with front wheels parked on the frame of the truck in front. Very efficient.
I worked at a dealership as a driver. I would pick up a Ram truck with a sticker price of 80k plus, and I was doing it because it was sold and a customer was waiting for it. The answer is actually pretty simple. Stop paying ridiculous prices.
The Hilux Champ, even with a 25% tariff would still be a bargain in the country. It would sell quite well, and have the Big Three crying. Speaking of the Big Three, they have no interest in anything being affordable. The Maverick is not a truck. It's a four door sedan with an open air truck.
That small Toyota pickup truck is sweet. Its biggest drawback no extended cab. Extended cab if you want to pull over and rest to recline the seat or a place to put tools.
I'm very happy that you and your wife are doing these videos, exposing how ludicrous new truck prices are. Most will just take it laying down, paying whatever they put on the sticker. I keep hearing 'people have no choice", but they do. You don't need a brand new vehicle every time. Used cars and trucks work and are fine!!
I stopped buying new trucks several years ago. Now I just keep my old trucks running myself. Won't be long before the entire country's roads look like Havana.
EPA mandates that small vehicles have smaller pollution levels, nothing to do with the chicken tax. So they would need to make weak trucks, or very clean running ones to comply.
I think I read one thing making "undesirable" for Toyota is that the smaller frame and lack of safety features (air bags and all the smart drive crap) would make it very difficult to get approved in the US market in 2024.
This channel is SO good. Pure value from front to back. Another good episode, guys. Keep it up! How do we get our own Hilux Champ in the USA?? Also, whatever happened to Canoo??
$15,000 MSRP. $25,000 after dealer add-ons (air in tires, $2000 H2O treatment of exterior followed by $1500 sunshine photonic curing of paint, $1,500 hydro-cleaning of vinyl seats, $5000 tire shine application.
Another thing, the EPA encourages the US to build bigger vehicles because they don't have to be as strict on emissions, so of course they're going to build bigger vehicles that cost more.
I paid $9000 back in the year 2000 for Ford Rangers with V6s for work trucks. Best domestic small truck ever made for the dollar. Even if it was essentially a Mazda and vice versa. Now Ford wants people to spend $50-35k on Mavericks that aren't as capable. And we in the U.S. aren't ever getting a $15k truck because of government regulated safety, pollution and CAFE standards. Besides, Ford is selling all the Mavericks they can make so there's no incentive to make anything cheaper from them or anyone else.
Ford only made about 64k Mavericks the first year, they sure did guess wrong. If they only made $2k profit on a Maverick, that's $37k more profit than F150 Lightning!
Finally people are coming to realize the truth on why we can't get affordable trucks on the states. Thank you for bringing more light to this ridiculous and out of touch tariff.
I was taught back in the early 90s my grandfather taught me on his Subaru, Justy it was a 4cyl small little car but perfect for someone to learn on and that's what he taught me on. He had beter cars then this but this was the only stick shift that he owned. I actually was shocked on the power in that little car. My dad put an Air intake system inside of it. Beter gas mileage and way morw power my grandfather said I think it had after that being installed 110HP
@@GMCGUY- I taught myself in one afternoon My dad said you can use my car this weekend. I got it in and learned. It was that or stay home. Taking my girlfriend to the football game that Friday was a motivational factor. 👍👍
8 years ago I bought a low mileage 4 door 2003 Chevy Tracker ZR2 V6 4X4 for $4500. I installed a trailer hitch and new tires. It now has 78k miles. I can hook up a utility trailer if I need a pickup. Today's prices are insane. If I needed a tow vehicle I would buy used and get a good V8 with a decent transmission. GM has a class action law suit over their newer transmissions.
I saw an article a few days ago that Mazda is looking at bringing out a new new updated B2 class pick up truck with a price tag of about $25,000. I am waiting with bated breath to see if this happens.
@@lifequest7453 I get asked this all the time. Google could explain it better but the gist is CAFE Standards say the the longer the wheelbase and the wider the track of the wheels side to side the lower your fuel mileage can be. If the manufacturer doesn't meet CAFE Standards they are fined for every car that doesn't meet standards. An old Datsun or Toyota 1977 mini pickup would have to get about 47mpg if made today.
There will always be a need for both high end trucks and basic end trucks. That is why the older small trucks sell so well used here in TX. I have an 81' Datsun 720 Diesel that I enjoy as much as my new Bronco they just have a different purpose. Manufacture's just need to bring back affordable small work trucks.
On the 22R-E you have to keep an eye on the OEM timing chain guides. They’re made of plastic and will break after becoming brittle with age and miles. If you neglect to replace a broken one (almost always it’s the driver’s side that breaks) the chain will eventually eat its way through the timing cover, mixing the coolant and oil. I’ve got a ‘91 pick-up that I had to replace the guides on (with steel ones). When I pulled the valve cover off, there was already a decent groove being worn into the timing cover by the chain.
You can no longer blame the Chicken Tax, foreign trucks are now made in the USA...NOW you should be blaming CAFE standards. Small trucks would have to get 50mpg to not pay fines so manufacturers build bigger trucks which are allowed to get lower fuel mileage without fines. My 2019 Nissan Frontier is about the same size as a Ford F150 I drove in 1990.
My boy had a 350k mile Toyota pick up that wouldn’t start. We can triple A and we told the guy that it didn’t start and we needed a tow. He looked at us as said, “no you don’t, these always start.” He jiggle a loose wire lol and it started right up.
Look up into Great Wall new 4 door 4.0 proven diesel $11,600 out the door World shipping is $1700 I’d ship to Mexico as a Mexican then drive it USA as a tourist the biggest loop hole in history you own it as a business contract by the paperwork it’s a tourist in the USA or Canada Wake up it can be done under 20k for a new truck and no annual tags you can register through mail in South Dakota plates and all
The WORST financial decision you can make is to buy a brand new vehicle. It loses 40% of what you could get for it the same day you drive it off the lot.
Trucks are also being sold to people who want Mercedes, Lexus, and BMWs. Also, You can get a WRX, Mustang Ecoboost, M340i, M240i, IS350, and AMG C43 for less than most mid trim trucks.
If Toyota won't bring the truck here, can they at least bring the beds with retrofit kits? Maybe sell them as a trailer kit? And bring all the bed accessories they come up with for other markets too.
The government CAFE standards have put up blocks to the United States getting small trucks. Watch "all cars with Jon" in the episode "why we can't have small trucks". It is informative and he gives the calculation on what mpg is needed for a small truck to be sold here without the manufacturer having to pay a penalty.
We have 3 full size trucks in the family,. I just picked up a chevy s10 pickup the plates & city sticker is the same price as a full size truck,. That is just crazy
Your Videos Consistently Expose The Corporate Malfeasance Rampant In The USA & Worldwide!!! I’m Fortunate To Still Drive An Older Toyota. Recently While Traveling I leased 2 New Keyless Vehicles With All The Electronics!!! I Was Constantly Distracted By Safety Overkill Crappola…. Expensive Doodads That Eliminated The Driving Experience 😵💫 Keep Preaching 🙏
What happened to the small pickup truck Toyota was supposed to be releasing soon. The Toyota Stout was going to compete with the Maverick. Saw plenty of people talking about it. 🤷🏼♂️
This is exactly why you hold on to those old trucks that were more basic and reliable in nature. Those prices are absolutely insane!!! I will just hold on and keep driving my 1999 F-150 that just does the job and keeps going forever.
I'm happy with my 2023 Ford Maverick Lariat Hybrid truck. I have 8900 miles on it and I have averaged 43 mpg on it since new.. the MSRP was 29,700 only Options I ordered on the Lariat was the trailer TOw package hitch and wiring. The all weather molded floor mats and the 400 watt power inverter. I got a price protection rebate of 2750 and a 509 rebate for being a member for the Nevada farm bureau. 26,250 after Rebate for a Lariat Hybrid with 43 MPG is a great deal. I also have 1,500 in payload and I can tow 2,000 lbs. The price has increased to over 36k for the Lariat Hybrid Maverick. I can still sell my Truck to CarMax for over MSRP currently.
I bought a Hilux G crew cab Automatic 2.4L diesel for equivalent of $24k USD in 2023. I should have bought two. It gets better fuel mileage in town than a Vios manual.
Hulux is likely not in the USA due to safety and emissions, which is too bad. A 25% tax on a $10,000 truck would still only be 12,500, which would still be super competitive.
The big elephant in the room is that people won’t buy that cheap truck. People don’t understand having dedicated vehicles for specific tasks. Consumers are hell bent on buying something that’s going to do everything, even though they’ll only use the truck aspect on very rare occasions. They just need all that capability just in case. Nobody wants to make any sacrifice for anything, so they just throw their hands up and pay the ridiculous price. On top of that, lots of people just buy trucks because they’re big. They have no use for it, but they just want to be the big obnoxious thing on the road- and because that is a large chunk of the truck consumers, the automaker obliges.
In 1999 you could get a basic 5.3 liter V8 Chevrolet 1500 Regular Cab Long Bed with a starting MSRP was $18,690. Adjusting for inflation that would be $35,372. Todays Chevrolet W/T 1500 has a 2.7 liter 4 cylinder turbocharged engine and has a starting price of $36,800. Reliability, cost of ownership, ease of repair are all out the window.
looks like an upsized mini truck that has been overseas for years. Isuzu, Suzuki etc all make a version. Flatbed with sides that you can fold down, dump etc. I want a truck that's full sized, 4wd, vinyl interior, roll down windows and AC. That's about it. Can't find one. They are all decked out with bluetooth infotainment systems, 4 full doors, backup cameras, adaptive cruise control etc and cost upwards of $60,000.
I have a ‘97 Chevy WT short bed, reg cab with a V6. It has AC, stereo, and intermittent wipers. That’s about it. But it’s a great dependable little truck. I could still drive it another ten years easily. Would like to upgrade, but it’s slim pickings now for new vehicles.
Just picked up an 83 F350 Crew Cab in Idaho for $1,000. Needs some work but once fixed up it'll never cost me as much as a new truck would. All we need is simplicity in a truck.
New trucks are becoming less reliable for sure. I owned an F-250 diesel (6.7) recently, and it was straight up garbage. I could never keep it running for more than a week and it had already been bulletproofed. The U.S. diesel manufacturers have made trucks with so many sensors and electronics that the diesel engine is no longer dependable. At this point, I wouldn't drive an F-250 (garbage box) to my mailbox. Ford, Chevy and Dodge need to return to their old standards of quality as well as reasonably priced vehicles. The prices of new trucks nowadays are laughable and the service is a rip-off.
A couple of years ago we picked up a 2006 Toyota Tundra Access Cab Stepside SR5, V8, two wheel drive with 200,000 miles for $7,000. We love it though my husband still loves his 1980 F100 more.
The 22r engine has had problems with the cam chain wearing the plastic chain guides out and then the flopping chain could wear a hold in the cover. Replacement chains had metal guides.
Maybe another way to look at it? Back in 2009, I bought a Silverado 2500HD 4wd, std cab to haul a 5th wheel we just bought. I really wanted an extended cab, and in 2011, I got a good excuse to buy one. GM had combined the 2500 and 3500. The new 2500HD was basically a 3500HD, Front end/rear end, xfer case, most all the frame, engine/trans. So I bought a 2012 ext cab LT w/some nice options for +$6,000 and my 2009 w/almost no miles. My Insurance guy said the GM 2500/3500 were, according to their research, the longest lasting vehicle in the US still registered and in use today!! Wow! So for $55,650 (numbers here), you get the 6.0 V8, PS, PB, auto trans, radio, 4-doors, all safety equipment. Add a bed rug ($500), and cap (~$2500) = $58,650, now you have a new vehicle, lots of room to do anything, and it will last 20+ years, 500k+ miles!! Comfy, safe, mostly trouble free, go anywhere, tow most things, all looking good doing it!! While Joe Blow next door replaced his "yuppie-mobile" 3 times!! As for my 2012 ext cab, it's now 12 years old, has 33k miles (I retired), and runs like the day I bought it. (change oil!!!) Thx!!, --gary
In 1985 I got a Nissan truck for $9,999, completely base, in 2006 I got a Ford F150 4.6 L with electric everything and AC for $24,000, both fantastic trucks, some people say they want basic, but they won’t buy them. That is one problem.
I keep hearing, "Manual transmission.... which, a lot of people just can't drive anymore." Come on, ANYONE can learn to drive one in what, half an hour. Once they get the hang of it, they'll get better at it, like so many of us did. You're right by saying so, but it doesn't have to be this way.
I think a manual transmission makes people better drivers...it DEMANDS you be involved in the driving process,and more aware of what is going on around you....
I still drive a 96 F150. I can work on it and rebuild it for a fraction of the cost compared to new. I dont give a damn about social appearance and status to go blow 80g on a truck. My truck was paid for long ago.
I wish I had treated my '04 S10 more like a car than a truck. I literally never washed it (mistake in the greater Cleveland area winters--and never undercoated it!), only changed the oil, and hauled a lot of heavy material. It lasted me 10yrs, then I gave it (not sold) a friend, who put a couple of k into it and his son used it for his landscaping business for about 6 years. I bought a '14 Silverado (extended cab, V6) and have been treating that more like my car. I plan to drive this $34k truck for as long as I can.
In 1986 I bought a brand new Toyota 4 x4 SR5 22 re engine with a 5 speed, p/s, a/c, power windows with the chrome package, a loaded truck on the road for $10,860. now the same truck is over $50,000
Companies won't bring 10-15k trucks out because their profit margins are way lower for them. As long as nobody else is willing to bite the bullet with hopes of volume sales they have no reason to do so. Essentially there is silent agreement and incentive not to do so and keep selling over priced mid to high end trucks only. Outside of new brand coming to market I don't see cheap trucks becoming a realistic thing.
I think the main problem is what the NHTSA mandating. For example, back up cameras are mandatory and that adds cost. Right now blind spot monitors and adaptive cruise control isn't required by law, but I have a feeling that eventually it will be standard. On top of that, the US has some of the strictest emission standards in the world which eliminates a boatload of cars on the market. The Hilux Champ has a 2.4L diesel and is probably not to EPA standards for import.
The sad reality is it is better to go to an auction place, get an early 00s truck for a couple grand. Use and abuse it as a truck for a year or two at most. Then rinse and repeat.
I dont get it. Even a 25% tax on a 10k or even a 20k truck is still cheap compared to the outrageous prices on trucks in the USA. I truly believe the market will reach the point where they will just sit there and nobody will buy one.
Our elected representatives have made far too many decisions in the name of protecting us. Safety laws AND chicken tax keep us from having small, cheap pickup trucks. On the road at least. You can get a reliable, cheap side-by-side UTV for 15k.
Take a look at the Ram 700 & 1200 sold down in Mexico built in Brazil. For me, it would be worth heading down and buying one and then coming back up. Kia has a small truck coming out too. They are supposedly keeping that out of the U.S. as well.
It's not just the chicken tax and CAFE standards, the great majority of buyers always go for the bigger trucks. That is basically what killed the Ranger in 2011, because it was only a few thousand more for the F150
Have a Nissan Frontier extra cab. I paid $ 10,500 in showroom condition with 10k miles on it. I have had it for 18 years ! It only has 165k on it, and runs like a top ! Looks new also ! Will never sell it ! Nothing breaks or stops working. Roll up windows. 😊
I’m getting older now and my wife and I were going to wait until the 26-28 year model redesigned Tacoma could get the bugs worked out of the 24 redesigned Tacoma. Then I found out that Toyota was dropping the proven reliable and durable 3.5L Naturally Aspirated (NA) V6. So I started looking for a new 23 TRD Off Road, double cab, long bed with the premium and technology pkgs in White, Barcelona Red or Lunar Rock. I was very specific on what I wanted and needed. 23 came and went, so I thought I’d lost out on a new 23.. Tacoma. On 2/29/24 I found a leftover 23. It was exactly what I was looking for in White. Our local dealership always has a $1,999 dealer markup on ALL of their new vehicles so that’s why I’ve never bought anything from them. They were wanting to get rid of my truck. I guess no one wanted the 6’ bed, but I needed it as our truck is used for work around our property and going on forest roads and some of the WA BDR. Our dealership took off their $2K markup, dropped the $51,848 MSRP, added running boards, a Trifold tonneau cover, an 8 year 75K mile bumper to bumper warranty, free lifetime oil changes and tire rotation for $48K. I drive 6-8K miles per year and at my age this will be the last pickup I’ll ever need to own. I’m quite sure that after I’m dead my wife will still be using my Tacoma to plow the 5-7 feet of snow off our private road and driveway until her death. After that the family can fight over who gets the Tacoma. I Never Ever thought I’d spend the amount of money on any vehicle, but it is what it is. My wife’s car is 5 years old with only 36K miles, so when she retires (15 years) we’ll replace her car with a new Toyota SUV or an Outback. Hopefully it won’t be too expensive but we’re already saving money so we can pay cash for her next vehicle as well.
Pickup used to be a bit above the price of a regular car , but today most pickup are more expensive than a Mercedes , to all car makers make a cheap under $20,000 car or pickup and forget about all the electronic toys like infotainment , give us the cars you sell in the third world at a cheap price and if I want to add any electronic toys I will have them added later if I have money to burn but stop pricing those cars out of the range of the average consumer.
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ill be honest make it all analonge and mechanical. I will add the tech myself. Even though it saves them money (I get it) I can personalize to myliking as longe as your maintain my warranty.
There are plenty of states in the USA that have no inspections or emissions checks so you could import a new Hilux and register it easily. Someone should look into volume purchases so that you could get a cheaper trip on the boat over.
The chicken tax is easily defeated. The CAFE standards however...
Make a petition to exclude japan from the chicken tax. Why did we tarriff foreign trucks because of something Europe did anyway? Makes no sense. Were we getting lots of trucks from europe?
@@jimjam5570 i don't understand why it still exists at all.
Quit buying this crap people... Force them to build an affordable truck....I wont pay over $30,000 for daily transportation,,,
Uhh the government mandates it with all the heavy safety shtt
Its funny how people blame the car producers for all the crap they have made but the people are the ones who vote with their wallets.
Blame the company not the people. People just happen to be stuck. Nobody did anything when inflation happened now this. People have little power over price hikes. It's the companies that gouge you because that's what they've learned from last 100 years.
The trucks aren’t expensive they are only over priced.. literally nothing but headlights and interior change and every year they slap 5-10k increase on it
@@lockandloadlikehell all that costs less than 10k of the car's price, so its not that. Try harder.
The best part of older vehicles is the lack of all the BS surveillance tech that comes standard in modern cars & trucks.
@@lifequest7453 Electrical tape works wonders. All this technology will one day be used to limit mileage and destinations, as well as prevent driving on certain days. The kill switch will arrive in the form of preventing DUI. Of course everyone will get on board with that. After it is accepted the kill switch will morph into its intended function.
@@lifequest7453 I'll disable any cameras that would be observing my while driving. Same with black boxes, those things will be hacked and disabled.
@ruger6049 💯
And the ability to choose a manual transmission 😊!
@@JoeSmith-v7o Already rolled out. 'Geoff buys cars' regularly comments on developments - a number of manufacturers (Korean and Ford, I think), included geofencing and time-limiting in recent software updates. More to follow.
Doesn't matter if the MSRP is $15k, Everyone will go to buy them, then the dealers will take on a market adjustments of $25K. Boom back to $40k
Yeah for real. Look at the maverick even
No they won’t. People just want buy them.
Banks wont approve a loan for 300% of the vehicles value for anyone
Americans won't buy them at 15K -- TOO many compromises for American tastes. In Thailand they are already $16K, so it would be in the 20s here easy. For a 2L I4 at that.
it's called supply and demand.... If a manufacturer or the dealer sells it below the price, dictated by its supply and demand curve... The trucks in short supply, will just get bought by insiders and resold at a higher price.... Check out the history of the USSR...(.NVM it's all a conspiracy LMAO)
the only real solution is an increase in production, which takes time, KISS... the Maverick is slowly getting there...
but who cares I thought most truck lovers, dismiss the Maverick is not being a truck?
We will never get the Toyota Hulux.
Sad but true. Despite the fact that Toyota and other Japanese brands already build cars and trucks in America.
American automakers made sure the Toyota Hulix could never compete with all the taxes and tariffs.
Thanks Joe Biden 😂
In Central America the Toyota Hilux is just like the Tacoma named Hilux but only Diesel
Hey guys we have the Hilux here in Australia in SR5 its is 72k thats Dual cab 4x4 and we only have 2.8 D4D diesel engine now the V6 petrol finished in 2012
Kym
Adelaide
I don’t know how people are justifying $1000+ per month truck payments. Insanity.
For sure that's like a second house payment almost.
They have no choice really but I think Americans are starting to wake up and get more realistic about this economy because big trucks are just sitting in lots these days.
Naw that's cheap honestly like think about it rent for a in the ghetto is more then that so it's seems fair a big work ready truck
@@imnugget8085you clearly don’t make $1000 car payments 😂😂
@@imnugget8085your a moron. No truck payment should be more than 450 unless maybe its a full kitted welding rig. Hell a semi payment should be 1k not a damn pickup.
The biggest problem with the "affordable" pickup is corporate greed. Look at when then Maverick came out. A pickup marketed with a $19,995 proce tag gets to a dealership finally only to be marked up $10-20k
Dealerships that put "market adjustments" have nothing to do with corporations. That's simple greed at the business owner level. Mixed with really stupid consumers giving them all the reinforcement they need to continue the greed.
Meanwhile I'm driving around a Ford Focus with 252,000 miles. Paid off baby!
@@lifequest7453 Bingo! I have a 94 Honda Accord LX 2L 4cylinder and
a 96 VW Golf GL 2L 4 cylinder manual transmission, these things are driven daily and are bulletproof and super reliable. I will NEVER sell them and the mfrs are making NOTHING today that even remotely appeals to me.
200k 2010 fusion. Paid off but man it’s startin to be a money pit. The things fallin apart.
1991 Honda CRX with 289k 🤣👍
I still drive my 2013 civic daily with 331000 miles to work every day. Also have paid off 2020 honda accord
I'm still driving my old 94 Honda Accord LX and VW Golf GL, both have 2L four cylinder gas engines and I will never sell them!
It's not just the chicken tax, the epa CAFE standards also incentivise larger footprint vehicles. Yep, only the government could cone up with a rule that tries to lower emissions, but actually ends up incentivising massive trucks with big engines, completely defeating the purpose.
Also, even if they came out with a 15k truck, the price would double within a couple weeks. The demand would be just too great, this is exactly what happened with the maverick, it came out at 19k and the demand crippled supply and because Ford makes little margins on the maverick, they were not in a hurry to ramp up production. Instead they realized people were willing to pay upwards of 40k for the upper end models, and so it's in their interest to keep supply at a level that supports that price because consumers are dumb enough to buy it.
It all boils down to the consumers, as long as we're dumb enough to keep paying exhorbant prices, they have no incentive to lower prices. Add on top of that, now banks and manufacturers are stretching loan terms to 7, 8, even ten years, the dumb consumers say, YEP! As long as the monthly payment is low, sign me up, this isn't going to change anytime soon
The CAFE standard is the most painful part.
@@LegendStormcrow More correctly, the manufacturers had a hand in WRITING that law and "gamed" the standards. Because nothing says ethical like absolutely defeating the intent of the rules to make more money. or to put it another way ... "ethical American CEO" is a contradiction in terms.
@@capnkirk5528 Yes, but it also bars US buyers from some pretty awesome rigs. It also bars companies from building what I need.
We can thank Bill Clinton and the people that voted for him for all this b*******.
Manufactures could all make a Maverick size pickup. I love mine that cost NEW $24,000- + Sales Tax.
End government restrictions.
SCOTUS striking down Chevron does just that. I think we'll see some favorable changes soon.
This is so ridiculous it's not funny. Do you actually believe that the removal of restrictions is going to cause big corporations to suddenly start cutting consumers a break? All we'll end up with is huge overpriced trucks that instead of having to get 25 mpg they'll only need 6. Corporations are not in it to serve the customers, they're in it to make shed loads of money. The only way removing restrictions will hurt their bottom line is they remove the 25 yr gray import rule. Take that away and allow customers to import these cheap vehicles might do something. That will never happen.
@@JoeSmith-v7oit's a good start anyway. However, the laws are still on the books.
@@BigBadJohnDiesel Unconstitutional laws CANNOT be enforced, even if they are on the books, if we had officials that actually honored their oaths of office.
It takes a nuanced approach...
So a 25% extra tax on a $11000 car is $2750. So at $13750 before sales tax and fees is still crazy affordable. So they could just charge the tax and people would still buy like crazy cuz the truck over all would still be less than 20k.
It won’t meet modern safety standards. A death trap.
It's not the tax. It's the government cafe standards. To build an s10 today it would need to get 53+mpg for its size and still pass emissions. Not counting safty standards that increase weight like airbags and extra structural reinforcement
Yeah I’m not buying this chicken tax excuse. It’s all about higher profit margins and engineered obsolescence.
@@SaltyBob355 I saw another video about that truck and they said the reason they were not selling that truck in the US is because it does not have any emmision regulations on it and they were not gonna put any on it
@@GROGU123so are motorcycles and they're legal.
I would definitely be into getting a cheap, but not cheaply made, truck. 5 speed manual and I'd even settle for roll up windows . A/C, great stereo with all the hookups , cruise control AND NO STOP START. That's it.
Even with 25% tax. It's still under 20k. Bring it.
CAFE standard kills any chance of it coming here.
We gotta find a way to stop taxes on cars, this is ridiculous
I was going to say 10k base would be 12500 and 15k would be 18750. I think Toyota just doesn’t want to cannabalize their Tacoma cash cows in us
@@TheKawalerzysta I dunno, mate... light trucks don't need to meet safety stds and Hilux will meet "CAFE" with unleaded
must meet emission standards , which it doesn't .
Spot on. We need a cheap truck option for the US. I will never buy another truck until prices come down. So, maybe never again. 😢
We already do! Find a pickup from the 50s, 60s or 70s that's been completely rebuilt and restored, gear shift, straight six, roll down windows and very simple and cheap to repair. I did it years ago and never looked back.
Just make sure you get it undercoated thoroughly to protect against rust.
I drove a Hilux in Afghanistan for 10 months with a .50 Cal mounted. My favorite truck, so reliable it drove through IED explosions, mortar IDF, tons of direct 7.62 hits. Nothing like her!
Dependable work horse unlike the mall crawlers here in the west
Why do you drive a hilux with a .50 cal in Afghanistan?
@@jchacon_88 because that was one of the vehicles we had for transportation and convoys
Is the 50 cal an option ?
@@jchacon_88
Because the locals regard submachines as essential. Any intruder expects machine gun fire.
Thank you for the content, always entertaining. I think the CAFE standards had more to do with the loss of small trucks, especially US made ones. I think the chicken tax does have some impact, but that is for imports - they could've made the trucks in the USA. The CAFE rules the EPA implemented relates emissions to vehicle size. Instead of lowering small truck emissions (probably HP too), they just make bigger trucks because bigger trucks are allowed to make more pollution. I was around when the tax was implemented. As I recall, the idea was the small truck buyers would buy cars instead of more expensive bigger trucks, thus lowering pollution. That of course did not happen since most truck buyers have at least some utilitarian use for their trucks.
@lifequest7453 the EPA rules still read that small trucks are only allowed small emissions regardless of what engine is in them. Larger vehicles get to pollute more. So small trucks with small engines are okay, but Americans don't really like slow stuff. I remember driving up Mt. Lassen in a small Chevy truck. I couldn't maintain a speed over 40 mph on the steep switchbacks. Kept having to pull over and let traffic pass me by.
I had a 1994 Nissan regular cab hardbody that I bought new.. It was so stripped that it didn't even have AC or a Radio. Don't remember exactly what I paid for it but it was well under $10K, I want to say $8K and some change. Best vehicle I've ever owned, it was bomb proof. Drove in 165K before I sold it and nothing had broke on it nothing.
Had a 93 Isuzu PUP, no AC, no rear bumber. Bought if for $8900. I drove it from Miami to the California bay area twice. Never 1 issue and it got close to 60 miles a gallon on the highway.
The 90's were peak years for Japan. We'll never see those days again. Even the Japanese are subject to "enshitification" these days.
I will never get rid of wife's inherited 84 c10, and my 71oldsmobile delta 88 royale convertible. Out of 4 cars in yard those 2 old ones are best
As a retired person i can tell you that ill never be able to own a new truck again.
as someone who will porbably never retire, ive never been able to own any car or house, count ur blessing, u had it all and gave it up to abject evol like everyone else
As a retired person, you don't need a new Truck 😂
Retired as well.
Bought a used '85 f150 in 1991, drove it until 2013. Bought a used '02 f150 in 2013, and driving it now and hopefully until the year 2034.
The '02 f150 is averaging about $100 a month in total cost over it's current lifespan, which isn't bad considering that I only do the easy maintenance now. I've done better, but money isn't what it used to be of late. Not that it ever was.
Difficult to get a stick shift these days and without all the electronic crap. People seem to want living rooms on wheels.
@@servusvero meanwhile hundreds of millions of Americans own their own homes. Don’t equate your own situation with reality. May make you feel better to think this way. There are a million opportunities out there. Perhaps you’re watching too much negative / complaining / propaganda.
@@IcelanderUSer property taxes mean u dont own anything
The U.S manufacturers have the ability to make a 10-15k truck now. They choose not to because they know they can make much more margin off the bigger trucks. Truth is, through consumerism, most people feel they need bigger vehicle with bells and whistles when these smaller, manual, vehicles would be perfect. People aspire to want more and dont want to settle for such a cheap vehicle. Unfortunately, cars have become such a status symbol it will never take off.
They cannot. Systems like mandated stability control, traction control, antilock, etc are expensive. I bet that shit is 30-40% of the price
Also what would big oil do if we were all driving 4 banger 1.8 liter small trucks getting twice the gas mileage than the current behemoths
I worked construction and trades for decades. Sorry, no. Most working guys who use trucks as trucks don't give a rat's ass about all the goo gaws and jimmy jims. They'd trade digital dash, screens, lane assist all that crap for a reliable drive train. Why? Because we run on profit margins. All that garbage does is end up costing me money. Can't use my truck because the touch screen went down? software updates? lane assist is malfunctioning? I know one mech (ford) bought a new F150 and 2 wks in it went into limp mode ON THE HIGHWAY because the sensor lost contact with the key.
I have ZERO issue with having to put a key into an ignition.
@muskokamike127 I completely agree with you but you are in the minority. Most people want luxurious mall crawlers and suvs.
@@anselpeneloperainblossom-s3489You'd bet wrong.
I had a 2003 Tacoma Base automatic 2 door pick-up that I sold last year with 125,000 miles on it. What a mistake! That was the best vehicle I've ever owned!
Toyota used to subvert the Chicken Tax by shipping a functional cab-on-frame to the Port of Long Beach then slapping an American-made bed and tailgate onto it at their local plant.
That happened in Portland, OR as well in the 1970's. I would drive by a huge lot with dozens of pickup beds stacked on pallets and the trucks w/o beds would come in with front wheels parked on the frame of the truck in front. Very efficient.
I worked at a dealership as a driver. I would pick up a Ram truck with a sticker price of 80k plus, and I was doing it because it was sold and a customer was waiting for it. The answer is actually pretty simple. Stop paying ridiculous prices.
The Hilux Champ, even with a 25% tariff would still be a bargain in the country. It would sell quite well, and have the Big Three crying. Speaking of the Big Three, they have no interest in anything being affordable. The Maverick is not a truck. It's a four door sedan with an open air truck.
Totally. I’ll pay that 25%.
Made in México free trade usa
I’d be fine with what the maverick offers… if it was 10k less. Alas, we will never get the Hilux 😢
That small Toyota pickup truck is sweet. Its biggest drawback no extended cab. Extended cab if you want to pull over and rest to recline the seat or a place to put tools.
I'm very happy that you and your wife are doing these videos, exposing how ludicrous new truck prices are. Most will just take it laying down, paying whatever they put on the sticker. I keep hearing 'people have no choice", but they do. You don't need a brand new vehicle every time. Used cars and trucks work and are fine!!
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT USED VEHICLES DOUBLED IN PRICE.BUT AT LEAST IT IS AFFORDABLE.
I stopped buying new trucks several years ago. Now I just keep my old trucks running myself. Won't be long before the entire country's roads look like Havana.
I just replaced the bed on my 2011 Sierra.
hahahaha
01 yukon 218,853 miles cheaper to repair than replace
If Toyota was smart they would just bring them to the USA as a UTV and bypass the truck import restrictions ! Much like Mahindra did !!!!
They sure are small enough to do that.
EPA mandates that small vehicles have smaller pollution levels, nothing to do with the chicken tax. So they would need to make weak trucks, or very clean running ones to comply.
They could also just build them here and not worry about import costs
Give it the Subaru Brat jump seats!
I think I read one thing making "undesirable" for Toyota is that the smaller frame and lack of safety features (air bags and all the smart drive crap) would make it very difficult to get approved in the US market in 2024.
I hope all the manufacturers start taking massive losses and get their prices fixed
It's not the manufacturers, it's the federal government.
Why would they, when the govt keeps bailing them out for poor business decisions?
this is already happening - quarterly earnings calls were bad this month.
it is the manufactures, hopefully more folks will just exit the market and continue to force their hand
I'm still waiting to see the $20,000 Maverick!
This channel is SO good. Pure value from front to back. Another good episode, guys. Keep it up!
How do we get our own Hilux Champ in the USA??
Also, whatever happened to Canoo??
$15,000 MSRP. $25,000 after dealer add-ons (air in tires, $2000 H2O treatment of exterior followed by $1500 sunshine photonic curing of paint, $1,500 hydro-cleaning of vinyl seats, $5000 tire shine application.
Another thing, the EPA encourages the US to build bigger vehicles because they don't have to be as strict on emissions, so of course they're going to build bigger vehicles that cost more.
I paid $9000 back in the year 2000 for Ford Rangers with V6s for work trucks. Best domestic small truck ever made for the dollar. Even if it was essentially a Mazda and vice versa. Now Ford wants people to spend $50-35k on Mavericks that aren't as capable. And we in the U.S. aren't ever getting a $15k truck because of government regulated safety, pollution and CAFE standards. Besides, Ford is selling all the Mavericks they can make so there's no incentive to make anything cheaper from them or anyone else.
Did those Rangers have the 3.0 Vulcan or the 4 0?
You stole my thunder . Yes..buy a pre turbo Ranger. They are bomb proof fun to drive and practical. My 07 is here to stay.
Ford only made about 64k Mavericks the first year, they sure did guess wrong. If they only made $2k profit on a Maverick, that's $37k more profit than F150 Lightning!
I drove a 2005 4.0 for work. It was a gutless truck and the cheapest interior I've ever been in.
@@Bigfoothawk Those were the old pushrod engine. The OHC engines were considerably more peppy.
Big 3 automakers threatening the 3rd bomb if that affordable truck ever comes here.
Finally people are coming to realize the truth on why we can't get affordable trucks on the states.
Thank you for bringing more light to this ridiculous and out of touch tariff.
Sheesh, Driving a manual transmission is not tough to do.
It's easy and sometimes a lot of fun. That whole man & machine connection!
MAYBE EASY FOR YOU NOT FOR MANY PEOPLE THEY WERE NEVER TAUGHT
I was taught back in the early 90s my grandfather taught me on his Subaru, Justy it was a 4cyl small little car but perfect for someone to learn on and that's what he taught me on. He had beter cars then this but this was the only stick shift that he owned. I actually was shocked on the power in that little car. My dad put an Air intake system inside of it. Beter gas mileage and way morw power my grandfather said I think it had after that being installed 110HP
BARLY ANYTHING BUT I REALLY MISS DRIVEING STICK SHIFT
@@GMCGUY- I taught myself in one afternoon
My dad said you can use my car this weekend. I got it in and learned. It was that or stay home. Taking my girlfriend to the football game that Friday was a motivational factor. 👍👍
8 years ago I bought a low mileage 4 door 2003 Chevy Tracker ZR2 V6 4X4 for $4500. I installed a trailer hitch and new tires. It now has 78k miles. I can hook up a utility trailer if I need a pickup. Today's prices are insane. If I needed a tow vehicle I would buy used and get a good V8 with a decent transmission. GM has a class action law suit over their newer transmissions.
I saw an article a few days ago that Mazda is looking at bringing out a new new updated B2 class pick up truck with a price tag of about $25,000. I am waiting with bated breath to see if this happens.
Heck, a $15k truck would sell like crazy.
They have Toyota factories here in the US and Canada, why don't they assemble the small Hi Lux's there?
Because they still can't meet CAFE Standards.
@@lifequest7453 I get asked this all the time. Google could explain it better but the gist is CAFE Standards say the the longer the wheelbase and the wider the track of the wheels side to side the lower your fuel mileage can be. If the manufacturer doesn't meet CAFE Standards they are fined for every car that doesn't meet standards. An old Datsun or Toyota 1977 mini pickup would have to get about 47mpg if made today.
@@robertkubrick3738 Ah, ok, gotcha.
Tacoma is built in mexico. Do some research.
There will always be a need for both high end trucks and basic end trucks. That is why the older small trucks sell so well used here in TX. I have an 81' Datsun 720 Diesel that I enjoy as much as my new Bronco they just have a different purpose. Manufacture's just need to bring back affordable small work trucks.
So how did the 15k truck change anything?
On the 22R-E you have to keep an eye on the OEM timing chain guides. They’re made of plastic and will break after becoming brittle with age and miles. If you neglect to replace a broken one (almost always it’s the driver’s side that breaks) the chain will eventually eat its way through the timing cover, mixing the coolant and oil. I’ve got a ‘91 pick-up that I had to replace the guides on (with steel ones). When I pulled the valve cover off, there was already a decent groove being worn into the timing cover by the chain.
Timing chain made of plastic. Amazing.....
You can no longer blame the Chicken Tax, foreign trucks are now made in the USA...NOW you should be blaming CAFE standards. Small trucks would have to get 50mpg to not pay fines so manufacturers build bigger trucks which are allowed to get lower fuel mileage without fines. My 2019 Nissan Frontier is about the same size as a Ford F150 I drove in 1990.
The Tacoma is built in Mexico. Cheap labor and crap reliability is what toyota wants I guess.
My boy had a 350k mile Toyota pick up that wouldn’t start. We can triple A and we told the guy that it didn’t start and we needed a tow. He looked at us as said, “no you don’t, these always start.” He jiggle a loose wire lol and it started right up.
Look up into Great Wall new 4 door 4.0 proven diesel $11,600 out the door
World shipping is $1700
I’d ship to Mexico as a Mexican then drive it USA as a tourist the biggest loop hole in history you own it as a business contract by the paperwork it’s a tourist in the USA or Canada
Wake up it can be done under 20k for a new truck and no annual tags you can register through mail in South Dakota plates and all
The WORST financial decision you can make is to buy a brand new vehicle. It loses 40% of what you could get for it the same day you drive it off the lot.
The Tundru is $65k and the engine will only last around 15,000 miles ... :)
New engine under warranty.
Maybe new engine under warranty 3 times!
I bought a new Nissan Hardbody in 1991 for $6999 in California while in the Navy. Sold it in ‘98. Was still running great. 👍
I just need a new simple bare bone truck. Seriously not a house.
Trucks are also being sold to people who want Mercedes, Lexus, and BMWs. Also, You can get a WRX, Mustang Ecoboost, M340i, M240i, IS350, and AMG C43 for less than most mid trim trucks.
GREAT video ..... ENJOY having your sister in the videos !!! More interesting have the vid "bounce" in segments between both of you 🤔😁👍👍
Thanks. She'll eventually have some videos on her own. Just a lot to learn right now.
Now is best. @@MotorFeed
If Toyota won't bring the truck here, can they at least bring the beds with retrofit kits? Maybe sell them as a trailer kit? And bring all the bed accessories they come up with for other markets too.
This is not sustainable. A crash is comming.
I have a 2006 Toyota Tacoma 4cyl, 2 wheel drive, manual cranked. Window, runs great. Should I need it?
A stick shift……otherwise known as a millennial anti-theft device
The government CAFE standards have put up blocks to the United States getting small trucks. Watch "all cars with Jon" in the episode "why we can't have small trucks". It is informative and he gives the calculation on what mpg is needed for a small truck to be sold here without the manufacturer having to pay a penalty.
We have 3 full size trucks in the family,. I just picked up a chevy s10 pickup the plates & city sticker is the same price as a full size truck,. That is just crazy
Just got a 2023 Toyota Certified Pre-owned Tacoma V6 4x4 SR5 with 22K miles for 33K in California. Used prices seem to be dropping quickly
Where was this 15k truck?
Literally... in the very beginning of the video.
@@MotorFeedthe champ was released more than a year ago
Your Videos Consistently Expose The Corporate Malfeasance Rampant In The USA & Worldwide!!!
I’m Fortunate To Still Drive An Older Toyota.
Recently While Traveling I leased 2 New Keyless Vehicles With All The Electronics!!!
I Was Constantly Distracted By Safety Overkill Crappola….
Expensive Doodads That Eliminated The Driving Experience 😵💫
Keep Preaching 🙏
2:20 that Toyota is in great shape and those 2.2 were rocks
2.4
Sorry must have fumbled the fingers
What happened to the small pickup truck Toyota was supposed to be releasing soon. The Toyota Stout was going to compete with the Maverick. Saw plenty of people talking about it. 🤷🏼♂️
This is exactly why you hold on to those old trucks that were more basic and reliable in nature. Those prices are absolutely insane!!! I will just hold on and keep driving my 1999 F-150 that just does the job and keeps going forever.
About time! And these cheaper trucks MUST be for long-term use with little maintenance. We'll see what happens.
I'm happy with my 2023 Ford Maverick Lariat Hybrid truck. I have 8900 miles on it and I have averaged 43 mpg on it since new.. the MSRP was 29,700 only Options I ordered on the Lariat was the trailer TOw package hitch and wiring. The all weather molded floor mats and the 400 watt power inverter. I got a price protection rebate of 2750 and a 509 rebate for being a member for the Nevada farm bureau. 26,250 after Rebate for a Lariat Hybrid with 43 MPG is a great deal. I also have 1,500 in payload and I can tow 2,000 lbs. The price has increased to over 36k for the Lariat Hybrid Maverick. I can still sell my Truck to CarMax for over MSRP currently.
I live in the Philippines, I bought a 2023 Ford Ranger next-gen wildtrak 4x4 (built in Thailand) for $34,000. Runs great
I bought a Hilux G crew cab Automatic 2.4L diesel for equivalent of $24k USD in 2023. I should have bought two. It gets better fuel mileage in town than a Vios manual.
Hulux is likely not in the USA due to safety and emissions, which is too bad. A 25% tax on a $10,000 truck would still only be 12,500, which would still be super competitive.
Best video yet !!! You both were hustling with all the coverage and detail !!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The big elephant in the room is that people won’t buy that cheap truck. People don’t understand having dedicated vehicles for specific tasks. Consumers are hell bent on buying something that’s going to do everything, even though they’ll only use the truck aspect on very rare occasions. They just need all that capability just in case. Nobody wants to make any sacrifice for anything, so they just throw their hands up and pay the ridiculous price. On top of that, lots of people just buy trucks because they’re big. They have no use for it, but they just want to be the big obnoxious thing on the road- and because that is a large chunk of the truck consumers, the automaker obliges.
In 1999 you could get a basic 5.3 liter V8 Chevrolet 1500 Regular Cab Long Bed with a starting MSRP was $18,690. Adjusting for inflation that would be $35,372. Todays Chevrolet W/T 1500 has a 2.7 liter 4 cylinder turbocharged engine and has a starting price of $36,800. Reliability, cost of ownership, ease of repair are all out the window.
looks like an upsized mini truck that has been overseas for years. Isuzu, Suzuki etc all make a version. Flatbed with sides that you can fold down, dump etc. I want a truck that's full sized, 4wd, vinyl interior, roll down windows and AC. That's about it. Can't find one. They are all decked out with bluetooth infotainment systems, 4 full doors, backup cameras, adaptive cruise control etc and cost upwards of $60,000.
I have a ‘97 Chevy WT short bed, reg cab with a V6. It has AC, stereo, and intermittent wipers. That’s about it. But it’s a great dependable little truck. I could still drive it another ten years easily.
Would like to upgrade, but it’s slim pickings now for new vehicles.
Just picked up an 83 F350 Crew Cab in Idaho for $1,000. Needs some work but once fixed up it'll never cost me as much as a new truck would. All we need is simplicity in a truck.
New trucks are becoming less reliable for sure. I owned an F-250 diesel (6.7) recently, and it was straight up garbage. I could never keep it running for more than a week and it had already been bulletproofed. The U.S. diesel manufacturers have made trucks with so many sensors and electronics that the diesel engine is no longer dependable. At this point, I wouldn't drive an F-250 (garbage box) to my mailbox. Ford, Chevy and Dodge need to return to their old standards of quality as well as reasonably priced vehicles. The prices of new trucks nowadays are laughable and the service is a rip-off.
I love my Nissan Titan Pro4x. I love the sound of that V8. 😁
Is the chevy 2.7 turbo max engine reliable?
A couple of years ago we picked up a 2006 Toyota Tundra Access Cab Stepside SR5, V8, two wheel drive with 200,000 miles for $7,000. We love it though my husband still loves his 1980 F100 more.
The 22r engine has had problems with the cam chain wearing the plastic chain guides out and then the flopping chain could wear a hold in the cover. Replacement chains had metal guides.
Maybe another way to look at it? Back in 2009, I bought a Silverado 2500HD 4wd, std cab to haul a 5th wheel we just bought. I really wanted an extended cab, and in 2011, I got a good excuse to buy one. GM had combined the 2500 and 3500. The new 2500HD was basically a 3500HD, Front end/rear end, xfer case, most all the frame, engine/trans. So I bought a 2012 ext cab LT w/some nice options for +$6,000 and my 2009 w/almost no miles. My Insurance guy said the GM 2500/3500 were, according to their research, the longest lasting vehicle in the US still registered and in use today!! Wow! So for $55,650 (numbers here), you get the 6.0 V8, PS, PB, auto trans, radio, 4-doors, all safety equipment. Add a bed rug ($500), and cap (~$2500) = $58,650, now you have a new vehicle, lots of room to do anything, and it will last 20+ years, 500k+ miles!! Comfy, safe, mostly trouble free, go anywhere, tow most things, all looking good doing it!! While Joe Blow next door replaced his "yuppie-mobile" 3 times!! As for my 2012 ext cab, it's now 12 years old, has 33k miles (I retired), and runs like the day I bought it. (change oil!!!) Thx!!, --gary
In 1985 I got a Nissan truck for $9,999, completely base, in 2006 I got a Ford F150 4.6 L with electric everything and AC for $24,000, both fantastic trucks, some people say they want basic, but they won’t buy them. That is one problem.
Colorado Trail Boss package I got mine 36k out the door ordered it. Everything you need not breaking the bank.
I keep hearing, "Manual transmission.... which, a lot of people just can't drive anymore." Come on, ANYONE can learn to drive one in what, half an hour. Once they get the hang of it, they'll get better at it, like so many of us did. You're right by saying so, but it doesn't have to be this way.
I think a manual transmission makes people better drivers...it DEMANDS you be involved in the driving process,and more aware of what is going on around you....
I still drive a 96 F150. I can work on it and rebuild it for a fraction of the cost compared to new. I dont give a damn about social appearance and status to go blow 80g on a truck. My truck was paid for long ago.
I wish I had treated my '04 S10 more like a car than a truck. I literally never washed it (mistake in the greater Cleveland area winters--and never undercoated it!), only changed the oil, and hauled a lot of heavy material. It lasted me 10yrs, then I gave it (not sold) a friend, who put a couple of k into it and his son used it for his landscaping business for about 6 years. I bought a '14 Silverado (extended cab, V6) and have been treating that more like my car. I plan to drive this $34k truck for as long as I can.
In 1986 I bought a brand new Toyota 4 x4 SR5 22 re engine with a 5 speed, p/s, a/c, power windows with the chrome package, a loaded truck on the road for $10,860. now the same truck is over $50,000
uhh, were you on Nampa Caldwell Blvd when you were shooting your video??
Companies won't bring 10-15k trucks out because their profit margins are way lower for them. As long as nobody else is willing to bite the bullet with hopes of volume sales they have no reason to do so. Essentially there is silent agreement and incentive not to do so and keep selling over priced mid to high end trucks only. Outside of new brand coming to market I don't see cheap trucks becoming a realistic thing.
I think the main problem is what the NHTSA mandating. For example, back up cameras are mandatory and that adds cost. Right now blind spot monitors and adaptive cruise control isn't required by law, but I have a feeling that eventually it will be standard. On top of that, the US has some of the strictest emission standards in the world which eliminates a boatload of cars on the market. The Hilux Champ has a 2.4L diesel and is probably not to EPA standards for import.
So, where should I go to find an older Toyota 4wd? Im sad, because I bought a new Toyota SR5 back in 1986 for less than $7k.
The sad reality is it is better to go to an auction place, get an early 00s truck for a couple grand. Use and abuse it as a truck for a year or two at most. Then rinse and repeat.
I dont get it. Even a 25% tax on a 10k or even a 20k truck is still cheap compared to the outrageous prices on trucks in the USA. I truly believe the market will reach the point where they will just sit there and nobody will buy one.
Our elected representatives have made far too many decisions in the name of protecting us. Safety laws AND chicken tax keep us from having small, cheap pickup trucks. On the road at least. You can get a reliable, cheap side-by-side UTV for 15k.
Take a look at the Ram 700 & 1200 sold down in Mexico built in Brazil. For me, it would be worth heading down and buying one and then coming back up. Kia has a small truck coming out too. They are supposedly keeping that out of the U.S. as well.
If Ford kept the price of the Maverick at 20/21, it wouldnt be so bad, but they are up to 25-27!
It's not just the chicken tax and CAFE standards, the great majority of buyers always go for the bigger trucks. That is basically what killed the Ranger in 2011, because it was only a few thousand more for the F150
Have a Nissan Frontier extra cab. I paid $ 10,500 in showroom condition with 10k miles on it. I have had it for 18 years ! It only has 165k on it, and runs like a top ! Looks new also ! Will never sell it ! Nothing breaks or stops working. Roll up windows. 😊
Toyota needs to bring back the V-8
I’m getting older now and my wife and I were going to wait until the 26-28 year model redesigned Tacoma could get the bugs worked out of the 24 redesigned Tacoma.
Then I found out that Toyota was dropping the proven reliable and durable 3.5L Naturally Aspirated (NA) V6.
So I started looking for a new 23 TRD Off Road, double cab, long bed with the premium and technology pkgs in White, Barcelona Red or Lunar Rock.
I was very specific on what I wanted and needed.
23 came and went, so I thought I’d lost out on a new 23.. Tacoma.
On 2/29/24 I found a leftover 23. It was exactly what I was looking for in White.
Our local dealership always has a $1,999 dealer markup on ALL of their new vehicles so that’s why I’ve never bought anything from them.
They were wanting to get rid of my truck. I guess no one wanted the 6’ bed, but I needed it as our truck is used for work around our property and going on forest roads and some of the WA BDR.
Our dealership took off their $2K markup, dropped the $51,848 MSRP, added running boards, a Trifold tonneau cover, an 8 year 75K mile bumper to bumper warranty, free lifetime oil changes and tire rotation for $48K.
I drive 6-8K miles per year and at my age this will be the last pickup I’ll ever need to own.
I’m quite sure that after I’m dead my wife will still be using my Tacoma to plow the 5-7 feet of snow off our private road and driveway until her death.
After that the family can fight over who gets the Tacoma.
I Never Ever thought I’d spend the amount of money on any vehicle, but it is what it is.
My wife’s car is 5 years old with only 36K miles, so when she retires (15 years) we’ll replace her car with a new Toyota SUV or an Outback.
Hopefully it won’t be too expensive but we’re already saving money so we can pay cash for her next vehicle as well.
Pickup used to be a bit above the price of a regular car , but today most pickup are more expensive than a Mercedes , to all car makers make a cheap under $20,000 car or pickup and forget about all the electronic toys like infotainment , give us the cars you sell in the third world at a cheap price and if I want to add any electronic toys I will have them added later if I have money to burn but stop pricing those cars out of the range of the average consumer.