This got so much wrong. Mike Mentzer and Tom Platz where both friends and respected each other and both Bodybuilders used similar training methods. They both derived their training methods from a man named Arthur Jones who invented HIT (High intensity training).
Wrong wrong and wrong. Mensur and plats did not like each other and did not train the same way at all. Tom platz was in the gym every single day for 2 to 3 hours. Tom platz had nothing to do with that whole bullshittin Nautilus research. Jones was a moron and his research was extremely tainted because of the drug use with his one subject and Mike mencer.. there was absolutely no respect for Arthur Jones in the scientific community. You can't do a study with two people and expect it to have scientific merit. I am an applied human anatomist and kinesiologist from a major university and Jones was considered to be a joke amongst real scientist. The guy in his study was long thought to be using steroids but they denied it like the plague until the steroid dealer snitched him out. Pure jealousy was Mike menser's calling card and he hated everybody that beat him
@@molasorrosalom4846 I would not say Platz destroyed his body. He is 68 now and still looks OK and does appear to have any mobility issues, in good health for a man in late 60s. Of course he picked up injuries but that just goes with high level bodybuilding, or any type of elite sport to be honest.
@@MrBobsmith34 think he means Tom destroyed body as of training. Not really in a long term way. Tom used very high intensity training with fairly high volume. This absolutely exhausted his body during training days.
I totally agree. He's definitely emphasizes sufficient recovery time and rest. Short high-intensity workouts, long rest periods for recovery. This system goes back in history even further with Bob Hoffman's York barbell training in the 1940s and probably even long before him. Joe Weider owes it all to Bob Hoffman but then when he moved to Southern California from the Northeast he denied any affiliation with Bob Hoffman.
@@ASTRUM502 yes, I believe he was one of Bob Hoffman's students and a York trained man. Master Blaster my ass. If you read the old book the York System of barbell training, it is all high intensity training with longer rest periods. The video also made it seem like Mike mentzer did not focus on proper exercise form and that he preferred do the Reps quickly. This is a lie. If this was true then why did Mike mentzer value doing negatives? These bodybuilders or probably afraid to criticize Joe weider's system because I have a feeling that Joe Weider supported them when they first came to train under his organization. They also advertise Joe weider's total garbage nutritional supplements and protein powders.
Little recovery time, within a given workout. High intensity and low rest times, short workouts, but extended recovery between workouts. The video was unclear but not incorrect.
@@jimmyjoe1488 Yes, he coached supersets. To not be perfectly clear about this is blatant disrespect. So I'm going with the video being incorrect as all fuck.
Mentzer did not advocate fast explosive exercises. He also put a strong emphasis on form and technique. I encourage anyone to really take a deep dive into Mike mentzer. The man was an absolute genius.
@@thomasevon4348 In my experience, yes. But I believe Dorian Yates who was inspired by Arthur Jones and Mike mentzer has the most Superior program. The limitation to this style of training is that the majority of people do not understand what training to failure truly means. Also it typically requires a training partner. If you're thinking about giving this form of training a try I would strongly recommend that you do your research thoroughly so that you do it properly and you can avoid the risk of injury.
@@manosmamalis387 I'm aware of his drug addiction. I am also aware that he was institutionalized. Howard Hughes used to save jars of his own urine. Nikola Tesla was obsessed with the numbers 3,6, and 9 and would only inhabit hotel rooms divisible by the number 3. Just because Mike had some bad habits and some unusual behaviors does not take away from the fact that he was a genius.
Yea I am thinking the same thing man. I have had massive gains since incorporating his training in the last 3 months. Pretty invigorated about it. Not taking anything other than coffee, creatine and whey protein with a protein based diet. Also, I really feel the workouts push beyond my limits each time just enough to where I consistently feel fantastic after every workout. That last impossible rep is amazing.
Mentzers placed a lot of emphasis on form, his recommended cadence for all lifts except deadlift was 4 second eccentric, 4 second concentric and a 2 second static hold at near lockout. Mentzers training methods were tailored to individual athletes via excercises and rest times. He covers all this in detail in his first book. The person making this didn't read the book clearly.
@@checkthenutz You can get the John Little ones cheap as an ebook. I know it isnt the original print version etc, but atleast it available. The information relayed about Mentzer on most of the top Google searches is inaccurate at best.
I heard Tom platz tore his bicep close to mr Olympia time, he thought about not competing but didn’t want his training to go to waste. He told mentzer about his injury and Mike encouraged him to compete anyway and helped him hide his injury. Arnold told the judges about his injury even though he wasn’t even competing and had nothing to gain. Platz got 6th place that year
3:27 he felt that menser's training methods gave him an unfair advantage. So high intensity, low reps, and long relaxation time to recover in between workouts, gives you an unfair advantage? That just sounds like you figured out the hack for the body. So instead of spending 25 hours a week in the gym he spent 2 hours a week in the gym and somehow that's an unfair advantage lol You could have done the same thing
Arnold trained 2-2,5 hour's 6x per week, according to Jerry Branium lol, because Arnold loved the gym, he did admit later that he, didn't have to train as much as he did, but he was addicted to the gym.
"(Insert name) believed that Mentzer's training methods provided an unfair advantage." Where in the rulebook doe's it stipulate how a competitor can train? If it worked for Mentzer, then more power to him.
Of course Schwarzenegger hated Mentzer. Mentzer was ready to fight Arnold at the 1980 Olympia when it was discovered that Arnold had rigged the Olympia. No one is allowed to discuss that though since Arnold is treated like some kind of deity.
Many people forget that mike was the editor of the largest muscle and fitness publication at the time. So he was the gatekeeper to the rest of these guys exposure. This dynamic brought a lot of in fighting and bickering.
Mentzer was a f'n meth head. His biggest issue was Weider. Weider didn't like him and knew Arnold was a better "face of body building" to sell more supplements and magazines. Mike Mentzer was a burnout, plain and simple.
Was he a gatekeeper, or was he fair. Just because somebody has the power to abuse their position, doesn't mean they do. Also, was somebody over him, and there probably was, just because somebody is editor, doesn't mean he doesn't take orders from the owner or some board of directors. Nah, arnold schwarzenegger is much worse person than mentzer, and arnold has been recorded on film always being smug, and trying to diminish or humiliate other people, even random people on the street. Anybody remember the time he was saying to some girl in the crowd that she's ugly and how she wishes she had a man like him? Bruh. The only person who could stand him is Columbo, because Columbo was so dependent on somebody to carry him through his career he was willing to put up with the daily humiliations and wasn't proud enough to not attach himself to the big star, even if his personality left a lot to be desired.
@@paulhicks6667 I work on the principal that not everyone is right and not everyone is wrong so its best to take a balanced look at what people say about the man... And he seems to have been a bit of an abrasive personality... TBH, if 99% of people who know you are saying the same thing about you and it's not complementary it might be time to look in that mirror...
You mean it was cool that he built his career off doing meth and working out 4+ hours a day with crazy high volume. Then once he was broke he came out with this “HIT” methodology to scam people into buying his lie? Yeah, can’t think of anything wrong with Mike.
Platz didnt emphasize the opposite of Mentzer in the way of intensity.. Platz is notoriously known for the way he trained his legs, which was based on unholy amounts of intensity to the point of meeting God on every set
On the one hand, they both believed in having many rest days in-between workout-days, AND both believed in pushing yourself to/past failure during every single workout. I would say, the only difference between the two is that Platz believed in doing as many sets to/past failure, during every single workout, whereas Mentzer believed in only doing ONE set to/past failure. In other words, the only difference between the two's training philosophies, lies in the number of sets per workout.
I always appreciated Mike Mentzer. His build, his common-sense approach to health. He got ripped-off BIG TIME at that Olympia contest. The amount of training and personal sacrifice necessary in order to be that built, and to peak on that day. I don't blame him for bailing out.😮
He is not a fraud. I happened to discover his methods inadvertently on my own. My gains lifting for 30 minutes every Sunday are greater than when I used to lift every other day.
@@jyothiradithya2000 Part of my technique is to not have a routine. This keeps me from ever plateauing. I do what I feel based on which muscles feel neglected as I make my way to the gym. What routine I do have involves two warm up sets and three sets to failure. I do not count reps and vary the weight from set to set. Whatever weight I happen to do, I got to failure. When I get three reps from failure I start lengthening the the time I lower the weight to about 8 seconds. I also do partial reps within reps whenever I feel like it. I go alone and do not use spotters, socialize or even make eye contact with anyone. This also make your workouts more productive by concentrating your effort and reducing time between sets 45 seconds. If someone is on a station you wanted, move along to another to work muscles you that feel neglected when you flex them. Don't stress that you may not work them that day. Tomorrow is another day. What exercises I do: Dips: lean forward and legs back to hit mostly the upper pecs.
@@jyothiradithya2000 You will hit mid pecs on the way up and lower at the top of the dip. You therefore no longer need to bench at all. Dips give me better gains anyway.
@@jyothiradithya2000 Close grip pull ups for biceps and back. One arm cable shrugs for trapezius. Lean away from cable machine for full stretch then contract trapezius and roll it while you hold contraction. Then slowly lower weight.
@@jyothiradithya2000 Hack squat one week. Next week, one-legged hack squat. Every once in awhile leg extensions. I decide on the flye. I do back extensions and crunches at home on a stability ball. Sometime Good morning exercise on Smith Machine. Do not go below 45 degrees. Keep back flat.
It always frustrating if you put in 30 hours a week in the gym for years , then suddenly 1 comes in with the same physique accomplished in 3 hours per week 😂😂😂😂
Whoever put this video out hates Mike Mentzer. I’m sure Mikes personality wasn’t always well received. But this just sounds exaggerated. It’s ridiculous really.
Insecure guys don’t know what to do when they encounter a guy who isn’t your typical I’m gunna make it to the top by being a kiss ass and Mr. Beaty Pageant Congeniality to the judges and the public. Their entire delicate California existence is ruffled if the guy has a FUCK YOU attitude… I’ll say this if ya give a guy like that time. Don’t rush into his space. Slowly see what he’s about. Don’t bum rush like the rest and if he ends up trusting you letting you in watch what type of real mutha fucka he ends being. While Arnold is smiling in your face digging the knife into your back.
Most of the information here is highly inaccurate towards Mentzer’s training philosophies. Mentzer always encouraged good form, with no momentum (unless cheating towards failure), and he promoted a huge amount of rest time. Sometimes 4-5 days! Just listen to his seminars or read his work. Very well documented.
Mentzer was really one of a kind, his mind and eloquence were a little atypical for the scene. If you just see his head you could easily think he is a professor or something and then there was the crazy physique. Controversial or not, certainly a fascinating character.
He's not controversial - he is correct, as is proven by a number of scientific studies into strength acquisition. The people who disagree with them are simply wrong. It's not opinion based.
@@JoBlakeLisbon well that is not entirely true. for example, there are a number of studies that seem to indicate that doing multiple sets leads to significantly more muscle growth, in "average people" at least, than his promoted 1-set strategy. some of them with good data. not saying he is wrong all the way for all cases, but saying "he was ahead of time, now science has proven him right" is just not correct. at least as of 2023 it isn't. perhaps in the future we will know more
This is wrong on multiple accounts. However, the observation that Mike was combative and often disagreeable is fair. But bodybuilders are also more emotionally sensitive/volatile than the average man (hormone related probably). Mike was liked by the public more than his peers it seems judging by his writing and personal training success. Unfortunately being hated by your peers makes your career tough to navigate, especially in such a political sport.
Sam this piece isn't even close to the mentzer I knew... In fact he was the exact opposite of this characterization here..From 74 to 77 or so, he worked out at the same gym I belonged to.. I knew him as a highly intelligent calm, circumspect individual that was very generous with his knowledge and time to others.. In point of fact he took the time to train me and many others when we first jioned...
@@tracypritchett The mike mentzer I knew when he was at the spartan gym from 74 to around 77, 78 was a calm low key, friendly,well adjusted guy. He had no pretense, dressed in a low key way and always had the time to answer questions..
@@andreas8201 My friend you have accurately described mentzers personality.. mike was an objectivist in his thinking... He sought out what he believed to be the truth in all endeavors of life.this nonconforming and independent thinking unfortunately intimidated many of the traditional so called body building authorities of the day..I myself judged his philosophies by the results they produced. And frankly, many of them proved correct and far ahead of the times..
There's a difference between being combatative in argument and combatative as a person, arnold was a much worse individual than mentzer because he is on camera in pumping iron routinely humiliating other people (he would call these "mind games", they weren't mind games, he enjoyed keeping other people down while he was on top), calling some girl in the crowd ugly and desperate and wishing she had a man like him, and otherwise messing with people for absolutely no reason other than he found it funny to bully or humiliate other people.
6:20 Platz had a problem with Mentzer's training methods, until Dorian Yates employed the training and gave Platz some solid advice. Platz came to Yates explaining that he had stopped gaining. Yates told him to take a couple weeks off and regroup the way he trains. Platz came back to Yates and told him that worked. He got bigger and stronger by resting more.
There is nothing unfair about what Mike Mentzer did. After al his competitors where free to do the same and it is not like that Mike Mentzer made his training method a secret or anything.
Mentzer was the mold breaker, ahead of his time, an exploratory scientist of the sport. He knew what he was doing and “yes” his personality did not help. But, his proposed method works! I encountered a similar situation in my past while coaching swimmers. Old school methods were founded on extreme volume, double sessions, and massive loads per workout (7-9 km). I found myself working similarly to Mentzer and had great results. Old school coaches never appreciated my proposal, but the athletes sure did. Training has fundamental elements, but one must be daring enough to think out of the box.
I am 61 now and have trained HIT since I was 12. I applied the principles whenever I trained for a 10k, 20k, or Triathlon. I would only do two cardio workouts per week but they were intense (pushing hard to the finish line) and timed to journal PROGRESS. I roomed with an All American swimmer once and felt sorry for his twice a day routine. At the end of the day, it was just an inefficient way to achieve your genetic potential.
@@JAShalvey I was one of those double-session swimmers you mentioned 🫠. After my swimming career I became a coach, doing away with doubles and taking a different approach to the sport. This paid off greatly, resulting in many generations of exceptional swimmers who were able to experience school-sport-life balance. My mentors were incredible. I grew to work in a way similar to Mentzer, but in the pool.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Thats what made him though. He was himself. Non-conformist. The people always judging others mentality are just too weak to admire them for being different. Im sure you are plain jane vanilla. Steady and sure. Just ordinary. Nothing wrong with that.
Mentzer woke me up to how competitive bodybuilding is rigged just like all the other sports and how Schwarzenegger winning in 1980 was fixed from the start.
The funny thing is look at all of their physiques. They all know what they are doing. And many different styles work. You lift things up and you put them down and you rest and recover and get a health well based diet and drink a lot of water
Ya something you learn when you start looking this stuff up, is that there are only a few genuinely wrong answers for how to train. At the end of the day you just find what works for you. High volume low intensity, high intensity low volume, etc. Can all show gains if you're form is correct and you're lifting close enough to failure to stimulate growth.
There might be hacks, and methods that suit certain people but the basics will get you far if you challenge yourself. Good advice for people who just want to work out for health and happiness
Mentzer was opposed to STEROID USE while all the other bodybuilders severely abused steroids. SO NOT ALL "STYLES" WORK! If your style is to use steroids then it is your concern only. Mentzer specifically advocated VERY LONG resting times to mitigate the unfair advantage brought by steroid use in muscle recovery as steroids act as recovery accelerators ! You do not understand this. Better not talk.
Looks like someone beat me too it ahhaha but if you take steriods all that is required is effort. If you so not, you have to supplement with intelligence. Mike was the man of the people. The greatest of allies and a fierce and unyielding foe to his enemies.
@@seanthehaggis not if your not using a ridiculous weight while lifting. Those people who load up the leg press for a 1RM that they can’t handle are asking for trouble.
Mike did a lot for Platz too and Arnold told the judges about his bicep tear. Platz did not hate Mentzer although he was critical of his politics or lack of playing politics and his holding on to the resentment of losing the 1980 Olympia which i think is fair
Wrong didn’t think twice after the 1980’s Mr. Olympia. He had bigger fish to fry than to dwell on the loss. He knew it was all politics and moved on about it
Muchos defienden a mentzer me parece bien era inteligente y brillante pero no lo suficientemente como para volverse adicto a las anfetaminas murió demasiado joven
The major reason Mentzer and Arnold held animosity for each other was Mentzer thought Mr.Olympia results were predetermined in Arnold's favor - and he was correct. He never said he deserved to win but that Arnold definitely did not.
Now spending 30 minutes on chest one day, same on back and legs on two other days is working. Just one hour training spread over three days Mon, Wed, Fri or whatever. I don't run dry of energy and I feel refreshed while seeing real gains naturally.
@@lawngroomer240 I was going to split like that at first but I didn't want to risk short circuiting the growth process by causing damage while I'm healing so I think once a week full body workout works best for gains and if u have ur nutrition on point the lack of training during the week is not an issue whatsoever
4 months ago I got off of trt, at the same time I started training HIT lots of rest single sets to failure and beyond mi now up to 28 plates on the cybex plate loaded squat press for reps I was at 16 before. It just works, also more free time is amazing. I am a father and husband 5 kids and I work a lot as the sole breadwinner. This type of training has been a revelation. I am much stronger now. Also ask yourself this let's say it is only 90 percent as good as 2 hours a day, I think it is superior but let's say that is is 90 percent as dedicating 12 to 15 hours a week to this. To me is is a better way to go. How many more people would workout if they could dedicate just 90 minutes a week??? Very few people are pro bodybuilders where the 10 percent difference would matter. Even if it was slightly inferior it is still way way more efficient. Add in that it is actually more effective and the answer is obvious. Mike Mentzer was right about everything!
I think it's definitely fine and good to disagree, but Mentzer's approach definitely leaves more room for someone to do more advanced things in training after they've already refined a solid routine. I wouldn't recommend it for beginners though since muscle memory and form is also very important for a full connection, but it's a good method to transition into trying later on though.
I learned about bodybuilding as a teen and we're talking smack in the middle of Ronnie Coleman's legendary streak of 8 straight Mr. Olympias. Anway, I'd go to my gym and they had pics of all the greats up on the wall and the guy who's physique always blew me away and I wanted to look like was Mentzer. His physique was perfectly balanced and it just looked "right" compared to some other guys.
Mike's philosophy on bodybuilding is clearly proven to work, but I also think a lot of bros are high jacking it so they can brag about little they workout month. It's like when someone's vegan and they can't wait to tell you. Lol
Some statements made in this video are not accurate. Mentzer advocated training once every 8-16 days. He advocated the longest recovery time. They said the opposite in this video.
This video is so wrong, mike was the exact opposite, he believed in training intensly for short period with more rest time, which results in less fatigue than volume training overall.
So 3 of 4 of them stated that his training was an “unfair advantage”(sounds more effective, doesn’t it) only because they didn’t simplify, and maximize efficiency the same way… sounds like jealousy to me instead of just learning from each other, at this point it’s pretty obvious to size up big muscles it’s mentzer’s technique when building the base levels or exclusive to specific small muscles it’s REPS REPS REPS
I was a teen bodybuilder in the 70s and the classic physiques of Arnold, Mentzer, & Zane speak to their effective approach to their individual body structures. They all deserve praise for finding their own path & they remain my favorite bodybuilders.
Can anyone tell me how Mikes training method provided him an unfair advantage? I don’t understand how a workout routine that really works for him is unfair🤨
Mike along with Dorian both totally misunderstood by people for years! WELL ahead of their time...was NOT shorter rest...Was targeted, intense loads under strict form, getting the max out of each workout condensed to around 55 mins....around 3-4 times a week...The remaining week was REST, FOOD and RECOVERY... I personally gained 13 kilos this year from this method. Long live the Shadow & Mike😎🏆✨💪🏼
I don't think ANY of these guys felt that Mentzer had an advantage because of his training style. Mentzer's training may work for a few but not for most. Even Dorian who trained similarly still did a lot more sets and more frequency than Mentzer.
Boyer Coe and mentzer were good friends, the heated argument with Arnold at the 80 Olympia was down to Mike protecting Coe from Arnold’s insults, which were then focused on mentzer
@@iwontreplybacklol7481 not true. Volume isn't just how many sets u did. It's the total mechanical tension on your muscles over a period of time. That's sets x reps x weight x how many seconds a rep takes to complete including isometric holds... He was lifting heavier weights and doing it slowly and holding it longer. The total work done is a lot. Definitely enough to stimulate growth. You only need more volume training that hard if you're on gear and u dont want to waste ur juice. Getting the most out of ur PEDs you might need two or three workouts a week. But naturally 1 workout a week is pretty much MRV unless u train like a wuss
@@austinmesta9862 my experience and nearly every other bodybuilder syas otherwise..only guys with no muscle say once a week is enough, lol keep on dreaming. There is no replacement for putting your muscles to work for as long as you can. Going too heavy only wears you out quicker and makes your workouts too short to be effective..but hey, whatever floats ur guys boat.. when you train like mentzer preached, see you in 10 years with no muscle and a shitty physique.
I've watched countless hours of Mentzer content and this video literally represents him entirely backwards. Especially section 2. Mentzer is the holistic fanatic, not the boundary pusher. He's literally anti boundary pusher, the less is more guy. Hes probably the most extreme holistic body builder in terms of training, diet etc. Either the video or the people in it seem to be confused.
"Coe felt that Metzers training methods gave him an unfair advantage"...That's all one needs to hear. Trash the guys training style and then say it gave him an advantage. Talk about hypocrisy.
True about Coleman, however Big Ron employed insane intensity with ridiculous weights with moderate reps, so in a way he did employ HIT style for his final set or sets. Coleman was one of a kind, but even he admits to overtraining.
0:35 Mentzer was light years more conditioned than Arnold at the 1980 Olympia. Arnold should not have even place in the top 15 that year. He only won because of who he is and what he brought to the sport. Mentzer easily should have won that year.
I think that the use of such words as "hatred" and "animosity" toward Mike is just plain wrong. These legendary bodybuilders were certainly rivals and intense competitors, and there may have been words between them at times, especially in the heat of competition. But I think that each of these champions greatly respected one another. Boyer and Mike, for example, had often worked together in the gym. Sure, these champions may have had disagreements on training methodologies or philosophies. But I always thought that learning about these differences was helpful to my own training and encouraged experimentation to find what works best for each individual.
I've gotten my best gains lately with Mike Mentzers technique. I'm not sure if its his short sets , high intensity lifting that has worked for me or realizing I simply need MORE intensity in my lifting. The concept seems simple enough. To build muscle we have to expose the muscle to its highest overload, in good form so that it will tear, whatever it tears..lol..the muscle? Anyways that CAN be done in only a couple sets and not lots of sets. been working for me ! I have a feeling different methods work for different people .
Back when I was 20-22 I trained like Mike and it got me nowhere. I ended up tired, weak and soft. When I went back to longer workouts, more sets and 8-10 rep range but not trying to kill myself in every workout, I made my best gains.
Mike has his good points, but so do all the other legends. Problem is Mike thought his was the ONLY way, even though his whole philosophy is based on the fact that everyone that wants to lift will have different training thresholds!
Remember though, only Mentzers training plan works comparatively well with natty lifters. Also he did something no man has ever done then and since. He obtained a perfect 300 score in the Mr Universe competition
Mike's diet (yummy) but only on workout day's, on rest days he consumed way less carbs and more fat Breakfast: 6 egg omelet Large bowl of oatmeal with fruit Snack: Fruit salad with yogurt Protein shake Lunch: (mike ate 4 breast's ONLY if he decided to walk home from the gym) 2 to 4 chicken breasts Large portion of brown rice Large portion of vegetables Snack: Pancakes or waffles Dinner: (take a long slow paced walk after dinner to get some cardio) Large steak Baked potatoes Vegetables and salad
@@pigs6486 yes only on training days, he did low carb on rest days, yes training is before the high carb lunch, Mike would eat right after coming home, as he felt that he needed to refuel his body.
Mentzer was right about only needing a couple sets, usually 1. It works! He was the only perfect 300 score (atleast then, not sure now) he trained Yates and made him bigger. He spoke scientific facts! HIT is far more effective than spamming sets and doesn't waste your time. If what he said is factual (which it was) and everyone that follows it build more muscle then what does that mean? Means he was right. A few bodybuilders were bitter because they spent their whole lives doing what they loved in a less effective way. They seem to ignore it instead of crying over what could have been. Btw, Yates didn't hate Mentzer 🤣 he respects him even now, mentzer is the reason Yates was successful as he is. He was his student......go watch any video of Yates teaching someone, he tells them to do less sets and to train at highest possible intensity just as Mentzer told him.
The issue through with Mentzer and HIT seems to be that after he retired he took the princple to a exterme. If you look at how he and Yates actually trained when competitive bodybuilders it was short sessions 3/4 times a week, also Yates did cardio and mobility work which Mentzer never advocated. In his later years Mike advocated training once a week, given the split you only actually hitting some body parts every 28 days . HIT like any other training system, taking to a exterme it does not work. Mentzer had a personality that seems to need clairty and absolutes rather than messy compromises. But sometimes reality is messy. You also need careful about 'scientific facts'. If you look at most cutting edge research the authors conclude the study with terms like 'balance of probability'. 'Facts' involue as we learn more- its danagerous to be absolutely certain that you are right.
I trained the way Mike did ! In the beginning going back 50 years or more I used heavy weights and low reps I did make gains but also got injured, and I trained naturally no steroids just good food
Frank Zane had no reason to criticize anybody, he was one of the biggest steroid sellers back in that time! I think you're making crap up just to get clicks!!!! And I believe there's a lot wrong with this video.
Boyer Coe claimed that Mike Mentzer's training methods gave him an "unfair advantage " --- in a competition where everyone used anabolic steroids. That's a knee-slapper. 😆
@@docsaaid2939 I just feel like everyone (including myself) would be stronger than we are right now if I had learned about Mentzer sooner. But sadly, like most people, just cause Arnold’s the popular one people are trying to adopt his methods. Plus, he did a lot of shady things to win titles he shouldn’t have. I feel like I wasted time and energy just to make myself weaker (even though I love working out.)
This got so much wrong. Mike Mentzer and Tom Platz where both friends and respected each other and both Bodybuilders used similar training methods. They both derived their training methods from a man named Arthur Jones who invented HIT (High intensity training).
Platz did explosive reps, that destroyed his body.
He also was in the gym like 5-6 days a week.
Wrong wrong and wrong. Mensur and plats did not like each other and did not train the same way at all. Tom platz was in the gym every single day for 2 to 3 hours. Tom platz had nothing to do with that whole bullshittin Nautilus research. Jones was a moron and his research was extremely tainted because of the drug use with his one subject and Mike mencer.. there was absolutely no respect for Arthur Jones in the scientific community. You can't do a study with two people and expect it to have scientific merit. I am an applied human anatomist and kinesiologist from a major university and Jones was considered to be a joke amongst real scientist. The guy in his study was long thought to be using steroids but they denied it like the plague until the steroid dealer snitched him out. Pure jealousy was Mike menser's calling card and he hated everybody that beat him
True, Boyer and Mike were often seen training together in videos. Didn’t seem like Boyer hated him.
@@molasorrosalom4846 I would not say Platz destroyed his body. He is 68 now and still looks OK and does appear to have any mobility issues, in good health for a man in late 60s. Of course he picked up injuries but that just goes with high level bodybuilding, or any type of elite sport to be honest.
@@MrBobsmith34 think he means Tom destroyed body as of training. Not really in a long term way. Tom used very high intensity training with fairly high volume. This absolutely exhausted his body during training days.
This has a lot wrong here. Mike emphasized long rest times to not overtrain. Very short workouts and many rest days.
I totally agree. He's definitely emphasizes sufficient recovery time and rest. Short high-intensity workouts, long rest periods for recovery. This system goes back in history even further with Bob Hoffman's York barbell training in the 1940s and probably even long before him. Joe Weider owes it all to Bob Hoffman but then when he moved to Southern California from the Northeast he denied any affiliation with Bob Hoffman.
@@ProgressiveDiscussions Joe was also in one of Bob's magazines as a York student, if I recall reading.
@@ASTRUM502 yes, I believe he was one of Bob Hoffman's students and a York trained man. Master Blaster my ass. If you read the old book the York System of barbell training, it is all high intensity training with longer rest periods. The video also made it seem like Mike mentzer did not focus on proper exercise form and that he preferred do the Reps quickly. This is a lie. If this was true then why did Mike mentzer value doing negatives? These bodybuilders or probably afraid to criticize Joe weider's system because I have a feeling that Joe Weider supported them when they first came to train under his organization. They also advertise Joe weider's total garbage nutritional supplements and protein powders.
My god you’re an idiot. Short rest in between sets. Not in between workouts. Clown.
There’s a lot wrong here that is well documented 😂
"Mentzer advocated high intensity training and little recovery time" BRO WTF 💀
“Arnold and Metzger competed in the 70’s and 80’s” when Metzger retired after the 1980’s Olympia.
His name is Mentzer. He quite bodybuilding because he found out it was a rigged game. All ass kissing. Arnold is the the epitome of that.
long recovery time
Little recovery time, within a given workout. High intensity and low rest times, short workouts, but extended recovery between workouts. The video was unclear but not incorrect.
@@jimmyjoe1488 Yes, he coached supersets. To not be perfectly clear about this is blatant disrespect. So I'm going with the video being incorrect as all fuck.
Mentzer did not advocate fast explosive exercises. He also put a strong emphasis on form and technique. I encourage anyone to really take a deep dive into Mike mentzer. The man was an absolute genius.
You Menzter cultists are something else......
Does it work tho?
@@thomasevon4348 In my experience, yes. But I believe Dorian Yates who was inspired by Arthur Jones and Mike mentzer has the most Superior program. The limitation to this style of training is that the majority of people do not understand what training to failure truly means. Also it typically requires a training partner. If you're thinking about giving this form of training a try I would strongly recommend that you do your research thoroughly so that you do it properly and you can avoid the risk of injury.
He was so smart he had a crack habit. Look it up.
@@manosmamalis387 I'm aware of his drug addiction. I am also aware that he was institutionalized. Howard Hughes used to save jars of his own urine. Nikola Tesla was obsessed with the numbers 3,6, and 9 and would only inhabit hotel rooms divisible by the number 3. Just because Mike had some bad habits and some unusual behaviors does not take away from the fact that he was a genius.
Tom Platz didn't have beef with Mike they were actually friends
@iro4201 honestly just listen to mikes speaking engagements. he makes much more sense than the jackasses who criticize him.
@iro4201 Look up Platz's video short where he talks about tearing his bicep and turning to Mike for help in learning how to train on machines.
I'm in 1:20 and you already got Metzers training philosophy wrong.
Ask Chat GPT "Which bodybuilders hated Mike Mentzer?" and you'll get more or less the same garbage as this video.
Yea I am thinking the same thing man. I have had massive gains since incorporating his training in the last 3 months. Pretty invigorated about it. Not taking anything other than coffee, creatine and whey protein with a protein based diet. Also, I really feel the workouts push beyond my limits each time just enough to where I consistently feel fantastic after every workout. That last impossible rep is amazing.
@@roninmarketing4048 Mentzer had some things right and many wrong. The point is to take what works and make it your own.
@@Myndir More than likely what the bot who made the video actually did
This video maybe the worst one I’ve ever seen. I say that because it tries to sound truthful but has so many things wrong. It’s ridiculous.
Mentzers placed a lot of emphasis on form, his recommended cadence for all lifts except deadlift was 4 second eccentric, 4 second concentric and a 2 second static hold at near lockout. Mentzers training methods were tailored to individual athletes via excercises and rest times. He covers all this in detail in his first book. The person making this didn't read the book clearly.
Bro to be fair it’s out of print I’ve been trying to find a copy for months
@@checkthenutz You can get the John Little ones cheap as an ebook. I know it isnt the original print version etc, but atleast it available. The information relayed about Mentzer on most of the top Google searches is inaccurate at best.
@@F-Tier_Physique do you have the ebook?
Mentzer and Arthur Jones were the pioneers and truly made a difference
This video is filled with misinformation. Absolutely terrible!
I heard Tom platz tore his bicep close to mr Olympia time, he thought about not competing but didn’t want his training to go to waste. He told mentzer about his injury and Mike encouraged him to compete anyway and helped him hide his injury. Arnold told the judges about his injury even though he wasn’t even competing and had nothing to gain. Platz got 6th place that year
Arnold was a weasle for doing that
This video gets a lot wrong about Mike's training methods and it almost paints the picture that Mike used sloppy form and trained haphazardly.
If do many people hated him. That means he was ahead of his time. Still is in fact 😂😅
I guess Hitler was just "ahead of his time", right? What a shit argument.
Completely agree 👍
Or he was just an asshole, we will never know
Minimal rest?? Mentzer was famous for recommending long rest phases. Sometimes a 1 day on, 6 day off cycle!
Minimal rest between sets not workout
@@j1real506 still wrong, thats just a superset, he often recommended at least 2-3 minutes rest between exercises if i remember correctly
@@derdiktator8061 minimal rest between sets and 2-3 min rest before moving onto second excercise
@@j1real506 ok sry my bad , yes that sounds right , but i have to say that seems logical if the ultimate goal is 1 real working set per exercise
@@derdiktator8061 yes , and only 2-3 excercise per muscle group
Boyer Coe trained with Arthur Jones and mike metzer what on earth are you talking about.
Mentezer Followed Arthur Jones and Casey Viator High intensity principal
@@thelonegerman2314 What you said doesn't oppose the fact you made a false claim
Mentzer was the first man ever to achieve a perfect score in an elite contest, the 1978 Mr. Universe. At that time was a 300 🔥
A junkie
@@tomjaap2933 like your mom🤣🙋
The only man to this day!
@@tomjaap2933 you know that 99,9% of roids users became junkie rg?
Means squat. It’s subjective and field was garbage and he still didn’t win lmao
Screw these fakes, Mike was the real one.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 thats why he never won an olympia beacause of his lazy ass workout 2 sets pero monta 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@hectorjara5033 Or maybe its cuz arnold rigged it 😲😲😲😲
@@wazard5772 whatever they want to say , i mean numbers dont lie
@@wazard5772Thank you! Yes, the 1980 Mr Olympia was absolutely controlled by Arnold. Mike Mentzer should have won that show.
@@davesworld7688 no problem
100% wrong on all levels
3:27 he felt that menser's training methods gave him an unfair advantage.
So high intensity, low reps, and long relaxation time to recover in between workouts, gives you an unfair advantage? That just sounds like you figured out the hack for the body.
So instead of spending 25 hours a week in the gym he spent 2 hours a week in the gym and somehow that's an unfair advantage lol
You could have done the same thing
Very True.
What a great gift Mike Mentzer has been for the world. Truly The Way.
Arnold trained 2-2,5 hour's 6x per week, according to Jerry Branium lol, because Arnold loved the gym, he did admit later that he, didn't have to train as much as he did, but he was addicted to the gym.
😂 They have a contest to see who is able to grow muscles better.
"You can't do that, it's unfair!
- Why is it unfair?
Because you'll win!"
@@eivindgjengstjohansen9625 by his own admission he was coming the entire time
Mike Mentzer’s physique during his prime is CRAZY!
"(Insert name) believed that Mentzer's training methods provided an unfair advantage." Where in the rulebook doe's it stipulate how a competitor can train? If it worked for Mentzer, then more power to him.
he got big using volume and then started shilling his method for money
Boyer Coe, great bodybuilder, mostly forgotten by newer generations
Mike legit said straightforward that he trains 3 hours a week, 3 days a week. The amount of research and effort put into these videos is honestly sad
Research and script has been done by ChatGPT.
Of course Schwarzenegger hated Mentzer. Mentzer was ready to fight Arnold at the 1980 Olympia when it was discovered that Arnold had rigged the Olympia. No one is allowed to discuss that though since Arnold is treated like some kind of deity.
Many people forget that mike was the editor of the largest muscle and fitness publication at the time. So he was the gatekeeper to the rest of these guys exposure. This dynamic brought a lot of in fighting and bickering.
I thought that it was Weider that was more of the gatekeeper to the sport and the magazines?
You definitely meant Weider not Mentzer.
Mentzer was a f'n meth head. His biggest issue was Weider. Weider didn't like him and knew Arnold was a better "face of body building" to sell more supplements and magazines. Mike Mentzer was a burnout, plain and simple.
Was he a gatekeeper, or was he fair. Just because somebody has the power to abuse their position, doesn't mean they do. Also, was somebody over him, and there probably was, just because somebody is editor, doesn't mean he doesn't take orders from the owner or some board of directors.
Nah, arnold schwarzenegger is much worse person than mentzer, and arnold has been recorded on film always being smug, and trying to diminish or humiliate other people, even random people on the street.
Anybody remember the time he was saying to some girl in the crowd that she's ugly and how she wishes she had a man like him? Bruh.
The only person who could stand him is Columbo, because Columbo was so dependent on somebody to carry him through his career he was willing to put up with the daily humiliations and wasn't proud enough to not attach himself to the big star, even if his personality left a lot to be desired.
@@paulhicks6667 I work on the principal that not everyone is right and not everyone is wrong so its best to take a balanced look at what people say about the man...
And he seems to have been a bit of an abrasive personality...
TBH, if 99% of people who know you are saying the same thing about you and it's not complementary it might be time to look in that mirror...
I cannot think anything remotely wrong about Mike Mentzer. The guy deserved so much more in bodybuilding !
You mean it was cool that he built his career off doing meth and working out 4+ hours a day with crazy high volume. Then once he was broke he came out with this “HIT” methodology to scam people into buying his lie? Yeah, can’t think of anything wrong with Mike.
He’s one of the most hated bodybuilders but I can’t don’t understand why other than people just like going to the gym 5-7 times a week
Hypocritical junkie grifter?
Yup. They love standing round. Getting a lil pump. Posing for photos and then leaving weights everywhere. Friggin useless people.
Platz didnt emphasize the opposite of Mentzer in the way of intensity.. Platz is notoriously known for the way he trained his legs, which was based on unholy amounts of intensity to the point of meeting God on every set
Intensity and Volume are Opposite. The word 'Intensity' has been misused by a lot of people.
On the one hand, they both believed in having many rest days in-between workout-days, AND both believed in pushing yourself to/past failure during every single workout.
I would say, the only difference between the two is that Platz believed in doing as many sets to/past failure, during every single workout, whereas Mentzer believed in only doing ONE set to/past failure.
In other words, the only difference between the two's training philosophies, lies in the number of sets per workout.
Wow, the narration is a disaster. Obviously no more than 15 minutes of research was done if any.
I always appreciated Mike Mentzer. His build, his common-sense approach to health. He got ripped-off BIG TIME at that Olympia contest. The amount of training and personal sacrifice necessary in order to be that built, and to peak on that day. I don't blame him for bailing out.😮
He is not a fraud. I happened to discover his methods inadvertently on my own. My gains lifting for 30 minutes every Sunday are greater than when I used to lift every other day.
Can you please give your routine?
@@jyothiradithya2000 Part of my technique is to not have a routine. This keeps me from ever plateauing.
I do what I feel based on which muscles feel neglected as I make my way to the gym.
What routine I do have involves two warm up sets and three sets to failure. I do not count reps and vary the weight from set to set. Whatever weight I happen to do, I got to failure. When I get three reps from failure I start lengthening the the time I lower the weight to about 8 seconds. I also do partial reps within reps whenever I feel like it. I go alone and do not use spotters, socialize or even make eye contact with anyone. This also make your workouts more productive by concentrating your effort and reducing time between sets 45 seconds. If someone is on a station you wanted, move along to another to work muscles you that feel neglected when you flex them. Don't stress that you may not work them that day. Tomorrow is another day.
What exercises I do:
Dips: lean forward and legs back to hit mostly the upper pecs.
@@jyothiradithya2000 You will hit mid pecs on the way up and lower at the top of the dip. You therefore no longer need to bench at all. Dips give me better gains anyway.
@@jyothiradithya2000
Close grip pull ups for biceps and back.
One arm cable shrugs for trapezius. Lean away from cable machine for full stretch then contract trapezius and roll it while you hold contraction. Then slowly lower weight.
@@jyothiradithya2000 Hack squat one week. Next week, one-legged hack squat. Every once in awhile leg extensions. I decide on the flye.
I do back extensions and crunches at home on a stability ball. Sometime Good morning exercise on Smith Machine. Do not go below 45 degrees. Keep back flat.
2:46 That's literally Mike Mentzer in the background coaching Boyer Coe.
The video maker knows nothing about the history of bodybuilding. Even the clips are just random excerpts from UA-cam, probably based on viewcounts.
2:48 but yeah, this video maker is a bozo
It always frustrating if you put in 30 hours a week in the gym for years , then suddenly 1 comes in with the same physique accomplished in 3 hours per week 😂😂😂😂
Juice up and you'll save a lot of time...
Whoever put this video out hates Mike Mentzer. I’m sure Mikes personality wasn’t always well received. But this just sounds exaggerated. It’s ridiculous really.
true
Totally agree… Mike & Boyer were actually great friends I just listened to an interview Boyer did and he said he loved Mike…
Insecure guys don’t know what to do when they encounter a guy who isn’t your typical I’m gunna make it to the top by being a kiss ass and Mr. Beaty Pageant Congeniality to the judges and the public. Their entire delicate California existence is ruffled if the guy has a FUCK YOU attitude… I’ll say this if ya give a guy like that time. Don’t rush into his space. Slowly see what he’s about. Don’t bum rush like the rest and if he ends up trusting you letting you in watch what type of real mutha fucka he ends being. While Arnold is smiling in your face digging the knife into your back.
Mike and Boyer were friends. I remember both of them training at the gym I worked out at in Daytona Beach, FL in the 80s.
Most of the information here is highly inaccurate towards Mentzer’s training philosophies. Mentzer always encouraged good form, with no momentum (unless cheating towards failure), and he promoted a huge amount of rest time. Sometimes 4-5 days! Just listen to his seminars or read his work. Very well documented.
mentzer didnt say “less is more” he said “precise is best”.
Mentzer was really one of a kind, his mind and eloquence were a little atypical for the scene. If you just see his head you could easily think he is a professor or something and then there was the crazy physique. Controversial or not, certainly a fascinating character.
He's not controversial - he is correct, as is proven by a number of scientific studies into strength acquisition. The people who disagree with them are simply wrong. It's not opinion based.
A is A!
Simple and pure logic.
@@JoBlakeLisbon well that is not entirely true. for example, there are a number of studies that seem to indicate that doing multiple sets leads to significantly more muscle growth, in "average people" at least, than his promoted 1-set strategy. some of them with good data. not saying he is wrong all the way for all cases, but saying "he was ahead of time, now science has proven him right" is just not correct. at least as of 2023 it isn't. perhaps in the future we will know more
This is wrong on multiple accounts.
However, the observation that Mike was combative and often disagreeable is fair. But bodybuilders are also more emotionally sensitive/volatile than the average man (hormone related probably).
Mike was liked by the public more than his peers it seems judging by his writing and personal training success. Unfortunately being hated by your peers makes your career tough to navigate, especially in such a political sport.
Sam this piece isn't even close to the mentzer I knew... In fact he was the exact opposite of this characterization here..From 74 to 77 or so, he worked out at the same gym I belonged to.. I knew him as a highly intelligent calm, circumspect individual that was very generous with his knowledge and time to others.. In point of fact he took the time to train me and many others when we first jioned...
I was told that Mike was arrogant and combative.
@@tracypritchett
The mike mentzer I knew when he was at the spartan gym from 74 to around 77, 78 was a calm low key, friendly,well adjusted guy. He had no pretense, dressed in a low key way and always had the time to answer questions..
@@andreas8201
My friend you have accurately described mentzers personality.. mike was an objectivist in his thinking... He sought out what he believed to be the truth in all endeavors of life.this nonconforming and independent thinking unfortunately intimidated many of the traditional so called body building authorities of the day..I myself judged his philosophies by the results they produced. And frankly, many of them proved correct and far ahead of the times..
There's a difference between being combatative in argument and combatative as a person, arnold was a much worse individual than mentzer because he is on camera in pumping iron routinely humiliating other people (he would call these "mind games", they weren't mind games, he enjoyed keeping other people down while he was on top), calling some girl in the crowd ugly and desperate and wishing she had a man like him, and otherwise messing with people for absolutely no reason other than he found it funny to bully or humiliate other people.
What they failed to mention, Mentzer emphasised on 4-6 day recovery so that the muscles can repair without any added stress during the recovery period
6:20 Platz had a problem with Mentzer's training methods, until Dorian Yates employed the training and gave Platz some solid advice. Platz came to Yates explaining that he had stopped gaining. Yates told him to take a couple weeks off and regroup the way he trains. Platz came back to Yates and told him that worked. He got bigger and stronger by resting more.
There is nothing unfair about what Mike Mentzer did. After al his competitors where free to do the same and it is not like that Mike Mentzer made his training method a secret or anything.
Mentzer was the mold breaker, ahead of his time, an exploratory scientist of the sport. He knew what he was doing and “yes” his personality did not help. But, his proposed method works!
I encountered a similar situation in my past while coaching swimmers. Old school methods were founded on extreme volume, double sessions, and massive loads per workout (7-9 km). I found myself working similarly to Mentzer and had great results. Old school coaches never appreciated my proposal, but the athletes sure did.
Training has fundamental elements, but one must be daring enough to think out of the box.
Tome su like, buen señor.
I am 61 now and have trained HIT since I was 12. I applied the principles whenever I trained for a 10k, 20k, or Triathlon. I would only do two cardio workouts per week but they were intense (pushing hard to the finish line) and timed to journal PROGRESS. I roomed with an All American swimmer once and felt sorry for his twice a day routine. At the end of the day, it was just an inefficient way to achieve your genetic potential.
@@JAShalvey I was one of those double-session swimmers you mentioned 🫠. After my swimming career I became a coach, doing away with doubles and taking a different approach to the sport. This paid off greatly, resulting in many generations of exceptional swimmers who were able to experience school-sport-life balance. My mentors were incredible. I grew to work in a way similar to Mentzer, but in the pool.
You didn't understood Mentzer. And even showed sometimes his brother's clips instead of mike .
Yeah , there’s so much wrong with this vid , it’s hard to know where to start.
Mentzer one of a kind
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines train both ways and come here tell us who is who 😉
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Thats what made him though. He was himself. Non-conformist. The people always judging others mentality are just too weak to admire them for being different. Im sure you are plain jane vanilla. Steady and sure. Just ordinary. Nothing wrong with that.
Mike Mentzer is the rest & recovery king bro
Mentzer woke me up to how competitive bodybuilding is rigged just like all the other sports and how Schwarzenegger winning in 1980 was fixed from the start.
The funny thing is look at all of their physiques. They all know what they are doing. And many different styles work. You lift things up and you put them down and you rest and recover and get a health well based diet and drink a lot of water
Ya something you learn when you start looking this stuff up, is that there are only a few genuinely wrong answers for how to train. At the end of the day you just find what works for you. High volume low intensity, high intensity low volume, etc. Can all show gains if you're form is correct and you're lifting close enough to failure to stimulate growth.
its really not that difficult
There might be hacks, and methods that suit certain people but the basics will get you far if you challenge yourself. Good advice for people who just want to work out for health and happiness
Mentzer was opposed to STEROID USE while all the other bodybuilders severely abused steroids.
SO NOT ALL "STYLES" WORK! If your style is to use steroids then it is your concern only. Mentzer specifically advocated VERY LONG resting times to mitigate the unfair advantage brought by steroid use in muscle recovery as steroids act as recovery accelerators ! You do not understand this. Better not talk.
Looks like someone beat me too it ahhaha but if you take steriods all that is required is effort. If you so not, you have to supplement with intelligence. Mike was the man of the people. The greatest of allies and a fierce and unyielding foe to his enemies.
Mentzer was a genius.
Those leg lock outs are painful to watch.
But they are strong lol. Till this day platz does them and has remarkably shown no signs of knee injury.
@@ivanriverajr5012 so locking your knees out never causes injury?
@@seanthehaggis not if your not using a ridiculous weight while lifting. Those people who load up the leg press for a 1RM that they can’t handle are asking for trouble.
@@seanthehaggis ua-cam.com/video/_YyrJAnoXwc/v-deo.html
@@jamesdownward8798 well my knees aren't that strong, I ain't locking out, I've seen that go wrong.
mentzer did in fact advocate for more recovery
If your not on gear Mike’s workouts are the best.
“Hate” is a strong statement 😒
Mike did a lot for Platz too and Arnold told the judges about his bicep tear. Platz did not hate Mentzer although he was critical of his politics or lack of playing politics and his holding on to the resentment of losing the 1980 Olympia which i think is fair
Wrong didn’t think twice after the 1980’s Mr. Olympia. He had bigger fish to fry than to dwell on the loss. He knew it was all politics and moved on about it
Muchos defienden a mentzer me parece bien era inteligente y brillante pero no lo suficientemente como para volverse adicto a las anfetaminas murió demasiado joven
@@heberthchavezmostacero8717 si, si padre tambien murio de problemas del corazon. Igual que Mile y si hermano que murio 3 dias despues de Mike.
@@andreas8201 Franco winning that Olympia was 100% because of Arnold's influence over the judges. He should not have even placed in the top 10.
@@andreas8201I
The major reason Mentzer and Arnold held animosity for each other was Mentzer thought Mr.Olympia results were predetermined in Arnold's favor - and he was correct. He never said he deserved to win but that Arnold definitely did not.
Man working out 4 days a week was destroying my body switched to once a week and bam fkn results and no pain
Wow
Now spending 30 minutes on chest one day, same on back and legs on two other days is working. Just one hour training spread over three days Mon, Wed, Fri or whatever. I don't run dry of energy and I feel refreshed while seeing real gains naturally.
@@lawngroomer240 I was going to split like that at first but I didn't want to risk short circuiting the growth process by causing damage while I'm healing so I think once a week full body workout works best for gains and if u have ur nutrition on point the lack of training during the week is not an issue whatsoever
4 months ago I got off of trt, at the same time I started training HIT lots of rest single sets to failure and beyond mi now up to 28 plates on the cybex plate loaded squat press for reps I was at 16 before. It just works, also more free time is amazing. I am a father and husband 5 kids and I work a lot as the sole breadwinner. This type of training has been a revelation. I am much stronger now. Also ask yourself this let's say it is only 90 percent as good as 2 hours a day, I think it is superior but let's say that is is 90 percent as dedicating 12 to 15 hours a week to this. To me is is a better way to go. How many more people would workout if they could dedicate just 90 minutes a week??? Very few people are pro bodybuilders where the 10 percent difference would matter. Even if it was slightly inferior it is still way way more efficient. Add in that it is actually more effective and the answer is obvious. Mike Mentzer was right about everything!
I think it's definitely fine and good to disagree, but Mentzer's approach definitely leaves more room for someone to do more advanced things in training after they've already refined a solid routine. I wouldn't recommend it for beginners though since muscle memory and form is also very important for a full connection, but it's a good method to transition into trying later on though.
I learned about bodybuilding as a teen and we're talking smack in the middle of Ronnie Coleman's legendary streak of 8 straight Mr. Olympias. Anway, I'd go to my gym and they had pics of all the greats up on the wall and the guy who's physique always blew me away and I wanted to look like was Mentzer. His physique was perfectly balanced and it just looked "right" compared to some other guys.
Mike's philosophy on bodybuilding is clearly proven to work, but I also think a lot of bros are high jacking it so they can brag about little they workout month. It's like when someone's vegan and they can't wait to tell you. Lol
Some statements made in this video are not accurate. Mentzer advocated training once every 8-16 days. He advocated the longest recovery time. They said the opposite in this video.
You got it all backwards bro.... where did you get your information for this video... completely backwards !
if you've got haters, you must be doing something right! big up MIKE Legend!!
Arnold didn't promote bodybuilding in a positive way. He stepped on anyone who got in his way.
Arnold? Charisma? Charm? Im sorry all i remember is him saying SCREW YOUR FREEDOMS.
This video is so wrong, mike was the exact opposite, he believed in training intensly for short period with more rest time, which results in less fatigue than volume training overall.
So 3 of 4 of them stated that his training was an “unfair advantage”(sounds more effective, doesn’t it) only because they didn’t simplify, and maximize efficiency the same way… sounds like jealousy to me instead of just learning from each other, at this point it’s pretty obvious to size up big muscles it’s mentzer’s technique when building the base levels or exclusive to specific small muscles it’s REPS REPS REPS
Theres a difference between hating their beliefs/philosophy than rather hating someone!
I was a teen bodybuilder in the 70s and the classic physiques of Arnold, Mentzer, & Zane speak to their effective approach to their individual body structures. They all deserve praise for finding their own path & they remain my favorite bodybuilders.
Mike Mentzer died a long while back, and I'd like to hear his side of the story
Tom platz definitely didn’t hate Mike menzter
Can anyone tell me how Mikes training method provided him an unfair advantage? I don’t understand how a workout routine that really works for him is unfair🤨
I love and respect for the Mike Mentzer, I was his weakest student in his life. He was helping me with my health. I salute him
Mike along with Dorian both totally misunderstood by people for years! WELL ahead of their time...was NOT shorter rest...Was targeted, intense loads under strict form, getting the max out of each workout condensed to around 55 mins....around 3-4 times a week...The remaining week was REST, FOOD and RECOVERY...
I personally gained 13 kilos this year from this method. Long live the Shadow & Mike😎🏆✨💪🏼
This video is so full of it… The guy has no idea what he’s talking about he’s so wrong on so many points…
This just feels like a Chat GPT script, read by a text to voice, and placed over stock footage... 2/10 low effort content.
I don't think ANY of these guys felt that Mentzer had an advantage because of his training style. Mentzer's training may work for a few but not for most. Even Dorian who trained similarly still did a lot more sets and more frequency than Mentzer.
4:39 please spend at least more than 3 minutes for research next time
Boyer Coe and mentzer were good friends, the heated argument with Arnold at the 80 Olympia was down to Mike protecting Coe from Arnold’s insults, which were then focused on mentzer
I don't think any of the competitors hated anyone at all...respect was pretty much a given all around.
Mike mentzer had people spend 6-10 days between workouts, that's plenty of recovery! He emphasized recovery!
Yea, but he lacked volume on training days.
@@iwontreplybacklol7481 not true. Volume isn't just how many sets u did. It's the total mechanical tension on your muscles over a period of time. That's sets x reps x weight x how many seconds a rep takes to complete including isometric holds... He was lifting heavier weights and doing it slowly and holding it longer. The total work done is a lot. Definitely enough to stimulate growth. You only need more volume training that hard if you're on gear and u dont want to waste ur juice. Getting the most out of ur PEDs you might need two or three workouts a week. But naturally 1 workout a week is pretty much MRV unless u train like a wuss
@@austinmesta9862 my experience and nearly every other bodybuilder syas otherwise..only guys with no muscle say once a week is enough, lol keep on dreaming. There is no replacement for putting your muscles to work for as long as you can. Going too heavy only wears you out quicker and makes your workouts too short to be effective..but hey, whatever floats ur guys boat.. when you train like mentzer preached, see you in 10 years with no muscle and a shitty physique.
I've watched countless hours of Mentzer content and this video literally represents him entirely backwards. Especially section 2.
Mentzer is the holistic fanatic, not the boundary pusher. He's literally anti boundary pusher, the less is more guy.
Hes probably the most extreme holistic body builder in terms of training, diet etc.
Either the video or the people in it seem to be confused.
You literally have no clue what High intensity training truly is it has more rest time than basic workouts.
"Coe felt that Metzers training methods gave him an unfair advantage"...That's all one needs to hear. Trash the guys training style and then say it gave him an advantage. Talk about hypocrisy.
Mike was the best with more realistic training and he trained Dorian who would have easily blew all those on stage away !!
Yeah but coleman on the other hand trained like a beast and nobody comes and will ever come close to him, sooo....HIIT works, but not all the time
True about Coleman, however Big Ron employed insane intensity with ridiculous weights with moderate reps, so in a way he did employ HIT style for his final set or sets. Coleman was one of a kind, but even he admits to overtraining.
Dorian did his own style. 3 working sets to failure. And many more exercises
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routinesand now he can't walk
Agreed Fan boi
0:35 Mentzer was light years more conditioned than Arnold at the 1980 Olympia. Arnold should not have even place in the top 15 that year. He only won because of who he is and what he brought to the sport. Mentzer easily should have won that year.
I think that the use of such words as "hatred" and "animosity" toward Mike is just plain wrong. These legendary bodybuilders were certainly rivals and intense competitors, and there may have been words between them at times, especially in the heat of competition. But I think that each of these champions greatly respected one another. Boyer and Mike, for example, had often worked together in the gym. Sure, these champions may have had disagreements on training methodologies or philosophies. But I always thought that learning about these differences was helpful to my own training and encouraged experimentation to find what works best for each individual.
Mentzer was not about quick recovery time. i think it was long?
I've gotten my best gains lately with Mike Mentzers technique. I'm not sure if its his short sets , high intensity lifting that has worked for me or realizing I simply need MORE intensity in my lifting.
The concept seems simple enough. To build muscle we have to expose the muscle to its highest overload, in good form so that it will tear, whatever it tears..lol..the muscle? Anyways that CAN be done in only a couple sets and not lots of sets. been working for me ! I have a feeling different methods work for different people .
Back when I was 20-22 I trained like Mike and it got me nowhere. I ended up tired, weak and soft. When I went back to longer workouts, more sets and 8-10 rep range but not trying to kill myself in every workout, I made my best gains.
Menzer is my fav of all of the bodybuilders
Then why don’t you know his last name?
Frank Zane, Tom Platz, Boyer Coe
Mike has his good points, but so do all the other legends. Problem is Mike thought his was the ONLY way, even though his whole philosophy is based on the fact that everyone that wants to lift will have different training thresholds!
Bro wants to fight the whole biology system
yeah he spoke the truth how could they not hate them
Remember though, only Mentzers training plan works comparatively well with natty lifters. Also he did something no man has ever done then and since. He obtained a perfect 300 score in the Mr Universe competition
Mike's diet (yummy) but only on workout day's, on rest days he consumed way less carbs and more fat
Breakfast:
6 egg omelet
Large bowl of oatmeal with fruit
Snack:
Fruit salad with yogurt
Protein shake
Lunch: (mike ate 4 breast's ONLY if he decided to walk home from the gym)
2 to 4 chicken breasts
Large portion of brown rice
Large portion of vegetables
Snack:
Pancakes or waffles
Dinner: (take a long slow paced walk after dinner to get some cardio)
Large steak
Baked potatoes
Vegetables and salad
So this is his diet on gym days? Because he demands 3 days rest. And is he training before the high carb lunch or after??
On Saturdays he had the king Arthur with sweet potato fries
@@pigs6486 yes only on training days, he did low carb on rest days, yes training is before the high carb lunch, Mike would eat right after coming home, as he felt that he needed to refuel his body.
@@warchild5885 yummy
Mentzer was often aggressive and confrontational while schwarzenneger was charming and kind 😂😂😂😂
Hahaha!
Mentzer was right about only needing a couple sets, usually 1. It works! He was the only perfect 300 score (atleast then, not sure now) he trained Yates and made him bigger. He spoke scientific facts! HIT is far more effective than spamming sets and doesn't waste your time. If what he said is factual (which it was) and everyone that follows it build more muscle then what does that mean? Means he was right.
A few bodybuilders were bitter because they spent their whole lives doing what they loved in a less effective way. They seem to ignore it instead of crying over what could have been.
Btw, Yates didn't hate Mentzer 🤣 he respects him even now, mentzer is the reason Yates was successful as he is. He was his student......go watch any video of Yates teaching someone, he tells them to do less sets and to train at highest possible intensity just as Mentzer told him.
The issue through with Mentzer and HIT seems to be that after he retired he took the princple to a exterme. If you look at how he and Yates actually trained when competitive bodybuilders it was short sessions 3/4 times a week, also Yates did cardio and mobility work which Mentzer never advocated. In his later years Mike advocated training once a week, given the split you only actually hitting some body parts every 28 days . HIT like any other training system, taking to a exterme it does not work. Mentzer had a personality that seems to need clairty and absolutes rather than messy compromises. But sometimes reality is messy. You also need careful about 'scientific facts'. If you look at most cutting edge research the authors conclude the study with terms like 'balance of probability'. 'Facts' involue as we learn more- its danagerous to be absolutely certain that you are right.
Apparently each body builder had the exact same issue with Mentzer, word for word. 😅
I trained the way Mike did ! In the beginning going back 50 years or more I used heavy weights and low reps I did make gains but also got injured, and I trained naturally no steroids just good food
Not everyone can handle the H.I.T. style because it can lead to injury
H.I.T is not for natural athletes, mike was on gear and he also consumed meth, but for sure is a fun style of trainning
@@marcoosorio3705 false man
It was especially for naturals @@marcoosorio3705
Frank Zane had no reason to criticize anybody, he was one of the biggest steroid sellers back in that time! I think you're making crap up just to get clicks!!!! And I believe there's a lot wrong with this video.
Boyer Coe claimed that Mike Mentzer's training methods gave him an "unfair advantage " --- in a competition where everyone used anabolic steroids. That's a knee-slapper. 😆
When we started working out we aspired to be Arnold..but as the years go by we realise we have become like Mike😢
For those with a willingness to think for themselves, anyway!
I lost respect for Arnold over the years.
Arnold did steroids but I guess mike didn't. Correct me if wrong. But he emphasised on many good aspects which arnold and others didn't.
@@justaguy5345why?
@@docsaaid2939 I just feel like everyone (including myself) would be stronger than we are right now if I had learned about Mentzer sooner. But sadly, like most people, just cause Arnold’s the popular one people are trying to adopt his methods. Plus, he did a lot of shady things to win titles he shouldn’t have. I feel like I wasted time and energy just to make myself weaker (even though I love working out.)
I’m fascinated by the Menzter brothers and that style of training. Only issue is im too addicted to the gym. When I take days off I feel like shit