Possibly the most beautiful PD/Max patch on UA-cam. Its so amazing how melodically has so many "phases" almost like a prog song but unlike many prog songs, is still emotionally effective in the chord and or key shifts...
This one of my favourites of yours. It also reminds me of Mike Oldfields early works like "Ommadawn" or "Incantations". If you happen to know these, would you agree? I wonder if he took a similar approach as you did. Without the computer work of course.
I never really listened to much Mike Oldfield. But I see a little resemblance on Incantations, in the way that it rapidly modulates all over the place without tonal center or resolution.
@@webstrand I haven't; I should probably learn to not announce things. I tried to stick to a schedule at one point, but that unraveled pretty quickly. It'll be out eventually, but I need to finish some other things first.
super interesting that he says major 3rds shouldn't be larger than 32/25. I just made my first JI scale, and that's what my primary major 3rd ended up being. It sounds weird playing normal triads, but putting it at the top of a voicing sounds nice. btw, my scale is 1 : 16/15 : 10/9 : 6/5 : 32/25 : 4/3 : 64/45 : 3/2 : 8/5 : 5/3 : 16/9 : 48/25 : 2 Sounds great with minor 7ths and suspended chords. Y'all check it out.
It sort of reminds me of Robert Rich. He uses JI and does a lot of sequencing since he injured his hand. Neurogenesis (or Filaments on Bandcamp) is a good example that recently came out. Adding in some 7/4 (just minor 7th) notes would be cool. I have my electric guitar tuned to an open just D7 chord.
been listening to your stuff since 2004, so pumped that you're still making it. any chance I could get some of the old albums? I only had burned CDs from Robert Scott and some of em are pretty screwed up.
I've got links to all the releases here: acreil.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/my-discography-and-tentative-release-schedule/ I'll have more soon, including probably some more older stuff.
This is great! Is it everything generated in Pd (the sounds too)? I'd be interested in learning more about just intonation and how to do it in Pd, do you have\can advice some resource I can study? Thank you so much in advance for your answers! :)
Everything here is PD. This particular patch is kind of complicated, but just intonation isn't really difficult. You can either make oscillators with a fixed set of frequencies like 300 Hz, 500 Hz, etc. Or you can make one base frequency (say 100 Hz) and multiply that by different integers to get a harmonic series, or by different ratios (3/2, 8/7, 11/8 or whatever) to make other intervals. Or you can use fractions like 1/5, 1/7, etc. to get subharmonics. And then you can make a tonality diamond to see all the different intervals that are formed by combining those different pitches.
Pure Data is the software I'm using. Algorithmic composition means that I'm using random or deterministic processes to determine the notes and chord progression rather than composing anything manually. The chords I'm using are 1/1, 5/4, 3/2, 15/8, 9/8, 45/16 (major chord) and 1/1, 6/5, 3/2, 9/5, 9/8, 27/10 (minor chord). The highest prime factor of any of those intervals is 5, thus it's 5 limit.
waw! its is so brillant!!! like a dream? But you play the différents instruments? or its the machine like a sort of algorithmic following armonic program? ???
Despite the ear glitter, it feels really too robotic, leaving a few short-lived emotions but no long-lasting impression on the soul. Short of a correlation between algorithms outputs and usual emotional patterns of scales and chords, the brain eventually feels deceived. But this does not demean the technical performance and patch creator's skills.
Mostly. I reuse certain things like reverb algorithms, and I sometimes modify old patches like a granular synthesis thing and various sequencers. The synth parts are usually made from scratch.
I don't usually share patches because they're too messy and confusing and I don't think people would get a lot out of it. I cleaned this one up some and I still don't know what the hell is going on. PD is in some sense a write-only language, especially if you're looking at someone else's work.
i know - a single patch doing all that stuff must be like a rats nest to have to comb through. you have to encapsulate constantly to not go crazy. but i really love both your harmonic sense and your sound design chops for your synths. i've downloaded a lot of patches from various folks and your sense of the instrument's sound as related to IDM is pretty solid (i also like martin brinkmanns patches - he is ridiculously organized). i'm looking especially for folks doing generative/procedural stuff with PD vanilla as i've been using it myself to design good sounding instruments that can run using PD vanilla, which is a challenge (this is because i want to run them under libpd in an app). if i had a vote i'd want to see a video of how you design your sounds. i know this can be tricky because the modulation and sequencing can often be all designed together, but you get really musical results from all your messing around. the various EDOs for example - i've heard JI based or microtonal stuff before, but your approach makes it sound more like pleasantly detuned 12-EDO. i'm imagining you use some kind of lists to make changes, or arrays maybe? anyway, i'd be interested in whatever you had to share (already downloaded the other patch that you presented in 2013), and also in your work process overall. keep it up!
I wrote to you not long ago. Again congratulations for your work, it is very inspiring. But I think you should share your patches anyway, it is a contradiction to use open software to make closed things. Maybe someone will understand it better than you. Maybe someone is trying to understand something specifically, doesn't need to understand all the stuff. Anyway, even if he doesn't get a f** thing... why should you "protect" him from that experience?
@@gabovinazza Well, just because his software was written on an open source environment he's not obliged to share it (the patch in this case). Plenty of commercial softwares are written with open source devkits and then sold with a price tag (hardware too, see Arduino & friends). He's not really "protecting" anyone, maybe he just don't want to share his intellectual property for millions of reasons, and its ok.
In the audio settings menu, set the block size to 64, set the delay to something large like 100 ms, make sure the input and output devices are set appropriately, etc. You should be able to make [osc~ 200] and connect that to [dac~] and get a clean output.
it wanders a bit, and starts sounding TOO algorithmic, like much music made by music theorists and coders 😄 but it's a good length to put on and just chill.
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This is that computer wizard music i just fucking love
Possibly the most beautiful PD/Max patch on UA-cam. Its so amazing how melodically has so many "phases" almost like a prog song but unlike many prog songs, is still emotionally effective in the chord and or key shifts...
I come back to this regularly. You have to idea how incredible this truly is.
Amen to that!
I can't believe this is Pure Data. I just can't. This is too incredible.
This deserves so many more views!
This is one of the most incredible pieces of algorithmic music I've heard - stunningly beautiful!
Bro you make the best emotional algorithmic music I've heard after Autechre
Otherworldly retrofusturistic. Like the sound from a science fiction movie before CGI took over our imagination.
Listened to this for the first time in a while today. So lovely.
I love it! I played around with this one,Pink Floyd - The Animals and some GusGus some years ago, they match each other perfectly !
Incredible as always! Love when the drums come in.
beautiful work of art, inspires me to get proficient with pd.
Love your work. The interesting harmonic relationships in these PD compositions gives me lots of ideas.
Another absolute masterpiece!
Sounds amazing
This is crazy cool, oh man...
I love this track!
Bravo! PD masterpiece
This one of my favourites of yours. It also reminds me of Mike Oldfields early works like "Ommadawn" or "Incantations". If you happen to know these, would you agree? I wonder if he took a similar approach as you did. Without the computer work of course.
I never really listened to much Mike Oldfield. But I see a little resemblance on Incantations, in the way that it rapidly modulates all over the place without tonal center or resolution.
same here!
always, without exception, a Pure Data composition amazes me like no other thing
Brilliant!
Would you ever consider making a SoundCloud or Spotify wherein you post all of this amazing music of yours?
I deleted my SoundCloud account. I'm currently releasing stuff on bandcamp (acreil.bandcamp.com/). This one should be on bandcamp in November.
acreil cool, thanks for the link :)
@@acreil I just searched all through your Bandcamp releases, it doesn't look like you've ever released this track?
@@webstrand I haven't; I should probably learn to not announce things. I tried to stick to a schedule at one point, but that unraveled pretty quickly. It'll be out eventually, but I need to finish some other things first.
@@acreil That good news! I was afraid that it'd never be released. The tuning changes between chords is such a cool sound.
Stunning.
beautiful.
super interesting that he says major 3rds shouldn't be larger than 32/25. I just made my first JI scale, and that's what my primary major 3rd ended up being. It sounds weird playing normal triads, but putting it at the top of a voicing sounds nice.
btw, my scale is
1 : 16/15 : 10/9 : 6/5 : 32/25 : 4/3 : 64/45 : 3/2 : 8/5 : 5/3 : 16/9 : 48/25 : 2
Sounds great with minor 7ths and suspended chords. Y'all check it out.
This reminds me some old videogames track.
It sort of reminds me of Robert Rich. He uses JI and does a lot of sequencing since he injured his hand. Neurogenesis (or Filaments on Bandcamp) is a good example that recently came out. Adding in some 7/4 (just minor 7th) notes would be cool. I have my electric guitar tuned to an open just D7 chord.
might be my fav
dont think i heard this one before. very very very nice.
been listening to your stuff since 2004, so pumped that you're still making it. any chance I could get some of the old albums? I only had burned CDs from Robert Scott and some of em are pretty screwed up.
I've got links to all the releases here: acreil.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/my-discography-and-tentative-release-schedule/
I'll have more soon, including probably some more older stuff.
This is great! Is it everything generated in Pd (the sounds too)? I'd be interested in learning more about just intonation and how to do it in Pd, do you have\can advice some resource I can study? Thank you so much in advance for your answers! :)
Everything here is PD. This particular patch is kind of complicated, but just intonation isn't really difficult. You can either make oscillators with a fixed set of frequencies like 300 Hz, 500 Hz, etc. Or you can make one base frequency (say 100 Hz) and multiply that by different integers to get a harmonic series, or by different ratios (3/2, 8/7, 11/8 or whatever) to make other intervals. Or you can use fractions like 1/5, 1/7, etc. to get subharmonics. And then you can make a tonality diamond to see all the different intervals that are formed by combining those different pitches.
THank you so much for your answer. I'll do some experiments! :) And congratulations again for the patch
Wow! very cool sounding patch
Excellent work! Thanks for sharing
Excelente !
Beautiful track.👍
Did it ever make it to Bandcamp?
I’d love to buy this.
Not yet, there are some other tracks that I've been too lazy to finish.
this is amazing!!
I wish I could do something like this. I'm watching some videos of Miller's classes.
Incredible!
Didn't knew the band limited oscillators object, pretty cool.
Yeah, they're very useful. But the [blosc~ comparator] one still has significant aliasing.
Are they compatible with Vanilla or Purr Data?
They're in the creb library.
@@acreil is the creb library bundled in a pd distribution?
@@intelligenceservices It's included in Purr Data.
this is so cool
Can anyone explain what's going on? I only got just intonation in the title. I'm feeling kinda dumb
What do you want to know about it?
@@acreil I don't know what a pure data algorithmic composition is and what a 5 limit just intonation is.
Pure Data is the software I'm using. Algorithmic composition means that I'm using random or deterministic processes to determine the notes and chord progression rather than composing anything manually. The chords I'm using are 1/1, 5/4, 3/2, 15/8, 9/8, 45/16 (major chord) and 1/1, 6/5, 3/2, 9/5, 9/8, 27/10 (minor chord). The highest prime factor of any of those intervals is 5, thus it's 5 limit.
@@acreil thanks a lot, bow it makes sense
brilliant!
waw! its is so brillant!!! like a dream? But you play the différents instruments? or its the machine like a sort of algorithmic following armonic program? ???
I didn't play anything or program any of the melodic sequences. It's all algorithmic generation.
ah! so it a réal robot maid music??
Despite the ear glitter, it feels really too robotic, leaving a few short-lived emotions but no long-lasting impression on the soul. Short of a correlation between algorithms outputs and usual emotional patterns of scales and chords, the brain eventually feels deceived. But this does not demean the technical performance and patch creator's skills.
amazing, and very inspiring!
Brilliant!!! Do I detect some Mike Oldfield influence there? But from his early good phase!! Thanks a lot for sharing this wonderful music.
"It's an eminence front..."
Really cool stuff! Can we get a 7-limit one as well?
I have one, but haven't released it.
Awesome stuff! Keep it up
great work!!
Lovely.
This is sweet
holy shit
Is there ever going to be a download/buy link? I'd definitely do either.
Some time next year, probably.
😍
Sounds great - how was it done?
It's just a single Pure Data patch.
do you always start from scratch when doing your patches?
Mostly. I reuse certain things like reverb algorithms, and I sometimes modify old patches like a granular synthesis thing and various sequencers. The synth parts are usually made from scratch.
Excellent!! Care to share the files?
I don't usually share patches because they're too messy and confusing and I don't think people would get a lot out of it. I cleaned this one up some and I still don't know what the hell is going on. PD is in some sense a write-only language, especially if you're looking at someone else's work.
i know - a single patch doing all that stuff must be like a rats nest to have to comb through. you have to encapsulate constantly to not go crazy. but i really love both your harmonic sense and your sound design chops for your synths. i've downloaded a lot of patches from various folks and your sense of the instrument's sound as related to IDM is pretty solid (i also like martin brinkmanns patches - he is ridiculously organized). i'm looking especially for folks doing generative/procedural stuff with PD vanilla as i've been using it myself to design good sounding instruments that can run using PD vanilla, which is a challenge (this is because i want to run them under libpd in an app).
if i had a vote i'd want to see a video of how you design your sounds. i know this can be tricky because the modulation and sequencing can often be all designed together, but you get really musical results from all your messing around. the various EDOs for example - i've heard JI based or microtonal stuff before, but your approach makes it sound more like pleasantly detuned 12-EDO. i'm imagining you use some kind of lists to make changes, or arrays maybe? anyway, i'd be interested in whatever you had to share (already downloaded the other patch that you presented in 2013), and also in your work process overall. keep it up!
I wrote to you not long ago. Again congratulations for your work, it is very inspiring. But I think you should share your patches anyway, it is a contradiction to use open software to make closed things. Maybe someone will understand it better than you. Maybe someone is trying to understand something specifically, doesn't need to understand all the stuff. Anyway, even if he doesn't get a f** thing... why should you "protect" him from that experience?
@@gabovinazza Well, just because his software was written on an open source environment he's not obliged to share it (the patch in this case). Plenty of commercial softwares are written with open source devkits and then sold with a price tag (hardware too, see Arduino & friends). He's not really "protecting" anyone, maybe he just don't want to share his intellectual property for millions of reasons, and its ok.
really romantic track to me. i'm attempting to learn pure data, it isn't going very well. any ideas?
I think the built in example patches and Miller Puckette's book are pretty good resources.
acreil oh thanks. for some reason, every time i play a sound in pure data, it only makes white noise/some really grainy sound.
In the audio settings menu, set the block size to 64, set the delay to something large like 100 ms, make sure the input and output devices are set appropriately, etc. You should be able to make [osc~ 200] and connect that to [dac~] and get a clean output.
acreil thanks so much!
I'm wondering is there any way of controlling the module parameter with midi? instead of changing each parameter with mouse one by one
Sure, you can use external MIDI controllers. But I prefer setting up the PD patch so that everything changes on its own.
Can I see the patch?
o.O
how quaint
it wanders a bit, and starts sounding TOO algorithmic, like much music made by music theorists and coders 😄 but it's a good length to put on and just chill.
how did you rip this to mp3?