The Widow Of My Brother?! | The Way Of Kings Ch 21 - Int 6 | Cosmere | Nerdy Wordy Book Club
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From what I understand of what Sanderson has commented... the purpose of the arbitrary gender roles was to point out that gender roles are arbitrary and we should think about that when it comes to our society. They are often arbitrary. Sure some things are biological and lean one direction or the other... But in the end we as a society choose them... Or maybe decide to leave them behind...?
Your discussion is perfect. Keep reading and revisit thus discussion because Sanderson continues to add to this. Ripe for discussion. :)
Honestly never disagreed more with you than your opinion on "Journey Before Destination". To discuss it based on a book you already read, in The Well of Ascension the destination is Vin getting tricked into releasing Ruin but the vast majority of the book has absolutely nothing to do with that. Its all about Vin's relationship with her wolf, Elend struggling to be a good king, and the civil war caused by the death of the Lord Ruler. Or in the Final Empire, there is a whole plot point about training a rebel army that ends up rebelling too early and getting themselves killed, hours spent on Vin learning to be comfort in a dress and philosophical discussions of questionable importance and meaning, I don't understand how you can look at a book like that and say, yeah this was all about the final destination of Vin facing the Lord Ruler.
You are right, Brandon has not played League of Legends. He sponsored the team because Dan Wells wanted to.
This always feels like a family dinner. Gets a little intense for my taste at times and feels like I'm in a verbal fight, but kinda pulls together lol. I did always kinda hope you'd eventually improve the format a bit, but it's fairly apparent I'm not gonna stop watching.
There are a couple things I want to point out about Nerdy's behavior in general that rub me the wrong way.
"I host the show; you're here to heckle."
"It's okay if I spoil things about media properties from 2 years ago; it's not okay if you spoil things from media properties 20 years old."
"I love the degree to which you're confidently incorrect." -- said the most confidently, persistently incorrect man on earth to someone that genuinely doesn't share the same problem. Projection.
"Brandon doesn't care about the journey at all; also, these chapters are weird and idgaf because it's not advancing the plot, I'll smell the roses when they have proper goals that I understand. If the rose doesn't make sense, lemme beeline to that destination while somehow maintaining borderline opposite positions on this topic in a way only possible because I lose track of what I'm saying so thoroughly that logical consistency with my own arguments is an ever-changing void of bullshit instead."
See you next week.
It occurs to me this was also somewhat addressed with the discussion about how this is a different dynamic on-screen than off-screen regarding arguments and stuff. But I'm not convinced it's necessary or helpful to the show.
Though it does have me commenting lol, so maybe outrage is the path after all.
You've encapsulated perfectly what I've been feeling for months. As a person, I feel like Nerdy would be exhausting to be around. Especially in all the ways that he is confidently incorrect, but just cannot admit it when someone shows him that he is wrong. But, the joke's on me I guess. I've been watching this show since the very first Book Club, and I have no intention of stopping.
Honestly, it's frustrating because he actually can admit when he's wrong sometimes and deescalate things he instigated. He just... doesn't improve going forward and keeps screwing up the exact same way over and over. His character arc is lacking.
I completely agree that Sanderson writes the destination before the journey. The tag line "journey before destination" is really ironic in this light.
Nerdy is totally right about how Brandon's writing is destination before journey. He literally writes the ending first (or at least comes up with it first), then he creates the journey just to get to the destination. Which I love about his writing, I love a satisfying ending.
Now, the way the series uses the phrase is less about story telling and more about the way someone lives their life being more important than where they end up. It is an argument against a "the ends justify the means" mentality.
1:00:00 This is the most understanding you've ever expressed on the podcast of life being different in different times and places. Very nuanced take.
43:53 an astute observation by Clarus as usual.
I thought Nerdy had a really interesting view on the interludes as it was pretty close to the opposite of mine.
When I first read the interludes, the fact that they were called interludes made me immediately downgrade their importance from a meta perspective. In my mind I was like if any of this was truly critical the people in the interludes would've been the main characters not Kaladin, Shallan and Dalinar. I saw it as a fun way to get to see stuff happening in other parts of the world. So when you're reading the main plot you know there are people doing stuff in the background.
It's interesting that it had the exact opposite effect for Nerdy.
I got that interludes were important at the second part, like "shit thats gonna be huge on book 5"
"It's ok I am Irish" most American thing ever said xD
Sanderson has said he actually types/writes at the average author speed... He says his "prolificness" is only due to his consistency...like a programmed robot to write 40 hours a week.
Roshar: Where they don't have trains yet; but they do have quantum entangled pens.
The dominoes falling is satisfying because of how the dominoes were set up, not simply because the dominoes fell in the end.
3:14:48 LMAO, if that were true then the Interludes wouldn't even exist, the character work wouldn't exist the way it does, and the magic system wouldn't work the way it does.
Are you aware of the "Accompanying PDF" that audible offers when listening to the audiobooks? It's a PDF of the complete book that you can access while listening to the audible version. It's accessed by the menu button of the listening page that shows the book and chapter that you're in. On my phone it's in the upper right corner, three dots. It has all the artwork and the complete book.
1:18:34 there no will stating Navani is to be Dalinar's sister. It's a socio-cultural norm.
I believe that Sanderson said that finishing The Wheel of Time gave him the perspective and experience needed to make The Stormlight Archive as great as it is. If you read Way of Kings Prime, the earlier version before he did Wheel of Time, it is vastly different.
I get needing to do something while listening to audio books - I like playing video games that require little brain power while I listen to them. Needs to be games that I have played a million times.
I like to do the same, while playing hard games
@Dragonsworn864 I think rogue-likes are a good genre for this, too. Semi-repetitive and if you fuck up a run it's not too bad, but you can also just lock in
For Stephen King his magnum opus was The Dark Tower
Also, an excellent example of Journey before Destination.
I just got out of work and seeing this here made me so happy!
You don't need to worry too much about cosmere connections with the early books. Nobody knew much about the cosmere when these early books were published. Like the Sel article in Arcanum Unbounded came out in 2016, two years after book 2 of Stormlight. You will start picking the connections in later books.
The Parshendi can only fight The Alethi at the Shattered Plains where the terrain is at their advantage. If they fought anywhere else, the Alethi would surround them and wipe them out.
I really think it’s the way in which you guys are reading this book that makes it difficult sometimes. It’s because it’s for book club and there are breaks, you have to stop. When I read WOK the first time, I blazed through it in a week. I got to the things I was confused about faster. I didn’t have to sit with things for a long time. It’s sadly a con to book club that I don’t think you would experience reading the book on your own. But there are many pros to book club that make it worth it.
1:03:23 200 IQ moment
Re: redheads, i think i understand what Nerdy's getting at. Red hair is often used to contribute to the otherization of a culture, character, or group of characters. It's treated as an alien trait and is often associated with other supposedly alien characteristics, to create cultures or groups that feel other and different from the "main" POV culture(s), who are often prejudiced towards them.
If you spend enough time typing, you're bound to spill drinks. I bet he has backup keyboards in a closet
Given that red-heads are basically the whitest of the white peoples; Nerdy's objection to red-heads being portrayed as 'primitive' is just him objecting to racism vs. white people*. (* Note for the trolls - this is HUMOR; sit down and relax.)
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I think nerdy sees the end of the book as the destination. I disagree, its a part of the journey. For this book its that start if the journey. the destination is how the story ends. and we fans love the story and the thick lore sooo much it I agree with Brandon
Watching this makes me feel not as bad about American education system, ref: Boston tea party
Cant wait the next episode, its gonna be fun
Canada vs US Olympic basketball reaction! (hell yeah Celtics)
The burkha is way more primitive than the concept of the safe hand.
well no, the point is that you will not enjoy the journey if you are focused on how the cosmere connections work out, or sanderlanches, or wtv else.
you'll feel frustrated until you get to your sanderlanche and not have a good time when you actually get to it.
the destination is only great because you experience more and more layers during the journey.
it becomes incredibly hard to enjoy cosmere if you arent fundamentally going with "journey b4 destination".
this imo becomes incredibly clear in how frustrating you guys found the first part, which was pure journey, which you gus suggested should be cut out for an adaptation.
theres people that skip Shallan parts, sanderlanches include all characters; how do people enjoy the fullness of the avalanche when theyre trying to skip the journey..
this even goes for stuff like one piece, why does it matter if its long?
why does it matter itll take you decades to finish it?
Can someone help me with why you read? Other than the prospect of the grid going down.
How does one comition an audiobook reaction?
Discord. There is us a list of chapters already commissioned there
A must-watch!
Wow at 2 hr 12 min Clarus leaning hard on that being able to breathe privilege. Enjoy it while you're young.
I think we all need to be a little bit better with the cosmere for book club. They need to be able to enjoy the books without us constantly nagging them about cosmere implications and the other planets and all these other things. It’s making their experience worse when we’re asking them about sel and nalthis and all this other stuff. Nerdy, it might be best to pretend the cosmere doesn’t exist, at least for the whole first book and maybe the second one as well. It might be more enjoyable to forget what Brandon might be setting up and focus on just the story you’re reading now.
I think the interludes matter when you re-read. I don't think they explain enough in them to be honest until a re-read is done.
The sheer amount of eastereggs and lore in the interludes is so wild. My mind was blown when I found out that I actually know a bunch of the mysterious people we meet
Lol the random American "I'm Irish" I'm sorry mate, you aren't Irish. I don't care who your ancestors were.