I’m glad I found this Secret History documentary about the mutiny on the Soviet Navy Ship Sentry, an interesting event in cold war history. I initially tried to watch the History Channel documentary about this story, but that has a dreadful formulaic sound track of string crescendos, pointless horn blasts, and drum rolls. It just drones and blares along with indifference to the plot and might be supposed to invoke tension and excitement, but instead it just addles the senses and drowns the story. This version is much more professionally put together and makes for more adult viewing.
It's not strange that something like this happens when the leadership no longer follow their own politics, but still put educated political officers in the military who's life is dedicated to defending that revolutionary ideology. It's really surprising it didn't happen more often. They get trained to talk and think in marxist theory and their job is to make sure everyone understands the importance of this, but then the politicians in that country stop being communists except in name and get corrupt, of course things like this are likely to happen.
Except the difference was so huge in the most important point. The captain in Red October was a man who grew disillusioned over communism and wanted to defect, partly for personal reasons. This real man was an ardent communist and patriot who would sacrifice his career to force the state to re-connect with its people. It's ultimately not about ideology. We can see the same thing in Snowden as I mention in my other comment. He is a hero because he stands for the fundamental values of America which the state itself has abandoned as this man in Soviet Russia stood for the fundamental values which his state had abandoned. As a great man once said, the tree of liberty (but that could be replaced with any ideology) needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots. Any system grows worse from what ever onsent it begins the longer its key people keep growing unchecked power and secluding themselves from the influence of the masses they rule. Yay, a reply 7 years later...
There are numerous examples of hardworking people from poor families who got rich or lazy kids from rich parents ended up dirt poor. I hope the point is taken. Most other people are just following that their parents taught them.
@cochranexyz yes the proof that you've offered that i'm allegedly wrong is certainly overwhelming. you've resorted to the age old strategy of "i can't refute the message so attack the messenger". please feel free to try to prove me wrong, you won't be able to but please feel free to try. good day.
@alieu156 "No representation without taxation" ;) US is plutocracy where the ruling elite according to citibank are 3% of entire population. The fear of communism or socialism coming here is very real after Iran war, depending on outcome and petrodollar value. Middle class will disappear overnight and upperclass slowly but surely!
Although the narrator is not credited (here, on IMDb, or on the Channel 5 website for the series "True Story" of which this was a 2009 episode), it sounds very much like Diana Rigg. The mix of "posh" English, with short slides into her "natural" Doncaster (in Yorkshire) accent, matches the narrator's voice quite closely. That would be my educated guess.
oncydium Thanks for the educated guess! It's not too important but I suspect you are right if she sounds familiar to you. Unlike Professor Henry Higgins, I can't tell one English accent from one part of England than from another.
Justin Choi You are very welcome! The other thing that narrows it down is that there just aren't as many high-profile female narrators -- Diana Rigg is one of the more common ones recently if the accent is English.
@cherokeeumc If you look at what happened to Russia after it became capitalist I think it's quite clear that the opposite is true. The Russian people really suffered under capitalism. Their economy today is only now catching up with 1991 levels. Not to mention the standard of living dropped dramatically for the vast majority of people while a small minority became billionaires. Capitalism is the system which truly has a ruling class which keeps the rest of the population satisfied with crumbs.
To be honest my opinions about communism have changed since I made the first comments, but I still think there is a point about privilege. There are always examples of rich people becoming poor or poor people becoming rich, but those are exceptions. Most rich people stay rich and most poor people stay poor. I don't agree with the crimes the communists committed but I also don't think that completely unregulated capitalism is the best way to run a country either.
@nightkraawler Which country was it? I said that there was no "ruling class" in the Soviet Union. I didn't say that having family connections wouldn't help someone to succeed. No system is perfect. What you described could happen in any system. You think that having a relative in the police doesn't make it easier to get a job there in capitalist countries? How do you think George W Bush became president of the US? Through merit?
@nightkraawler What I meant was that success wasn't limited to rich people, which it mostly is in capitalist countries. The reality is that most people who are rich in capitalist countries owe it to having rich parents and most people who are poor are poor due to having poor parents. That's just the reality. Rich people give their children the best education, which means they get the best jobs, which means they make the most money, and the cycle continues. No system is perfect.
IT'S A WHOLESOME TIME
- Valery [Gigachad Wholesome Admiral Keanu Reeves Chungus] Sablin -
I’m glad I found this Secret History documentary about the
mutiny on the Soviet Navy Ship Sentry, an interesting event in cold war
history.
I initially tried to watch the History Channel documentary
about this story, but that has a dreadful formulaic sound track of string crescendos,
pointless horn blasts, and drum rolls. It just drones and blares along with
indifference to the plot and might be supposed to invoke tension and excitement,
but instead it just addles the senses and drowns the story.
This version is much more professionally put together and makes
for more adult viewing.
It's not strange that something like this happens when the leadership no longer follow their own politics, but still put educated political officers in the military who's life is dedicated to defending that revolutionary ideology. It's really surprising it didn't happen more often. They get trained to talk and think in marxist theory and their job is to make sure everyone understands the importance of this, but then the politicians in that country stop being communists except in name and get corrupt, of course things like this are likely to happen.
If they loved communism so much why go to Sweden lol?
finally no more tno sugesstions when i google valery sablin im free
In the Tradition of The Kronstadt Sailors.
The first measures of Shostakovitch' s sublime Seventh Symphony ''Leningrad'' Chapter Four open the story ! @2:49 the Overture.
2:22
The real red october. :)
Except the difference was so huge in the most important point. The captain in Red October was a man who grew disillusioned over communism and wanted to defect, partly for personal reasons. This real man was an ardent communist and patriot who would sacrifice his career to force the state to re-connect with its people. It's ultimately not about ideology. We can see the same thing in Snowden as I mention in my other comment. He is a hero because he stands for the fundamental values of America which the state itself has abandoned as this man in Soviet Russia stood for the fundamental values which his state had abandoned. As a great man once said, the tree of liberty (but that could be replaced with any ideology) needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots.
Any system grows worse from what ever onsent it begins the longer its key people keep growing unchecked power and secluding themselves from the influence of the masses they rule.
Yay, a reply 7 years later...
There are numerous examples of hardworking people from poor families who got rich or lazy kids from rich parents ended up dirt poor. I hope the point is taken. Most other people are just following that their parents taught them.
Help me! Does anyone know if exist a version with sub in spanish? or with sub in english?
Hello
@MarkVll
Marxism-Leninism actually
@cochranexyz yes the proof that you've offered that i'm allegedly wrong is certainly overwhelming. you've resorted to the age old strategy of "i can't refute the message so attack the messenger". please feel free to try to prove me wrong, you won't be able to but please feel free to try. good day.
well if you consider the content of this film, if anything would spark political bickering it'd be something like this
Does anyone know the music at the beginning?
Wow is this different than what I had heard and read---somewhere there is and was misinformation---so, the "Political Officer" was a wack then?
regardless i came here to learn not argue with arrogant people believing their philosophy is better than everyone else.
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@alieu156 "No representation without taxation" ;) US is plutocracy where the ruling elite according to citibank are 3% of entire population.
The fear of communism or socialism coming here is very real after Iran war, depending on outcome and petrodollar value. Middle class will disappear overnight and upperclass slowly but surely!
esh1 Iran war is near ?
Overgaard It will never happen.
FIRST COMMENT!!! Oh yeah, and this is awesome!
@rangeclerk and now we hear the "rest of the story"!
John Goerger @rangeclerk "and now.... the "rest of the story"! I always loved the iconic Paul Harvey uttering those words.
Does anyone know who is the narrator?
Although the narrator is not credited (here, on IMDb, or on the Channel 5 website for the series "True Story" of which this was a 2009 episode), it sounds very much like Diana Rigg. The mix of "posh" English, with short slides into her "natural" Doncaster (in Yorkshire) accent, matches the narrator's voice quite closely. That would be my educated guess.
oncydium Thanks for the educated guess! It's not too important but I suspect you are right if she sounds familiar to you. Unlike Professor Henry Higgins, I can't tell one English accent from one part of England than from another.
Justin Choi
You are very welcome! The other thing that narrows it down is that there just aren't as many high-profile female narrators -- Diana Rigg is one of the more common ones recently if the accent is English.
I don't think it's Diana Rigg. Susan George, Laura shavin or Rachel atkins might be more likely. There was also a newsreader whose name I forget.
That's fine if there is no consensus. IMHO, you want narrators with a good voice and doesn't sound boring, or too relaxed, or too high-brow/arrogant.
@cherokeeumc If you look at what happened to Russia after it became capitalist I think it's quite clear that the opposite is true. The Russian people really suffered under capitalism. Their economy today is only now catching up with 1991 levels. Not to mention the standard of living dropped dramatically for the vast majority of people while a small minority became billionaires. Capitalism is the system which truly has a ruling class which keeps the rest of the population satisfied with crumbs.
To be honest my opinions about communism have changed since I made the first comments, but I still think there is a point about privilege. There are always examples of rich people becoming poor or poor people becoming rich, but those are exceptions. Most rich people stay rich and most poor people stay poor. I don't agree with the crimes the communists committed but I also don't think that completely unregulated capitalism is the best way to run a country either.
How bout now?
@nightkraawler Which country was it? I said that there was no "ruling class" in the Soviet Union. I didn't say that having family connections wouldn't help someone to succeed. No system is perfect. What you described could happen in any system. You think that having a relative in the police doesn't make it easier to get a job there in capitalist countries? How do you think George W Bush became president of the US? Through merit?
@nightkraawler What I meant was that success wasn't limited to rich people, which it mostly is in capitalist countries. The reality is that most people who are rich in capitalist countries owe it to having rich parents and most people who are poor are poor due to having poor parents. That's just the reality. Rich people give their children the best education, which means they get the best jobs, which means they make the most money, and the cycle continues. No system is perfect.
@nightkraawler When did you live in a communist system?