To be fair to Link. If he didn't wake the Windfish then then Koholint Island would have been consumed by nightmares makin it a hellscape, and Link wouldn't have just not been able to make it back to Hyrule but he would have _died_ at sea. I'm pretty sure Link didn't want to do it, but the alternative was far, far worse for everyone. Plus, Marin escapes if you beat it without dying a single time.
@@midnights2631 Technically yes. If you beat the game without dying a seagull shows up in the ending that's supposed to be Marin reborn in the real world, apparently the Wind Fish heard her wish she was talking about in the beach date with Link.
Chris: "You think I'd kill Mia?" Ethan: "What!? Yeah!? I saw you do it! What else would I think!? That that was some kind of shapeshifter!?" Chris: "Well... uh."
It is explained if you take the time to actually read the files found through the game that Chris didn't know if Ethan was under Miranda's influence and couldn't take any chances.
@@RevanAlaire That room in and of itself is an issue in the game. Instead of any organic storytelling, they just create an expositing bunker to explain the story to you (and I understand that Covid threw some wrenches in the works, but then they went with the same idea for the DLC with Rose as well). But OxBox did find all those in their playthrough, they just felt like it was a pretty weak defense for how Chris went about the situation. It felt like a decision made by game developers to get the people to where they needed them to be and not an actual decision that would be made by the characters. But the game was still great, so we forgive.
@@RevanAlaireI must have missed that and I found a majority of the files (like 80%). So yeah it does kind of suck they didn't do a better job at explaining that fact.
If Samus Aran had a nickel for every time there was an evil abominable doppelganger created from her suit and trace amounts of her DNA she'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
To be fair, what is "The most powerful of all the mystic artefacts in the world" doing in a museum, and with so little protection that Mysterio can just lift off its cover and not even trigger an alarm even?
In Chris' case, it really is a wonder why he didn't clue in Ethan AFTER they lit up Miranda like a Christmas tree. Yes, she wasn't dead, but there was more than likely enough time to tell Ethan so he wasn't thinking the man who had saved his life back in the conclusion of RE7 hadn't turned evil. It's also highly questionable why Chris and his team didn't think to be more careful with Miranda's body. Chris had met his share of nigh-invulnerable superhumans by that point, should have had something to actually contain Miranda in, even in the off chance that she had somehow died during the raid on Ethan's house. I get that Chris and his team were operating on their own accord, but there's just very little excuse for what went down in Village's plot
"Ethan! Ethan! Ethan! I know this looks bad, but that's not your wife! She's a shape-shifting mold mutant that took her place days ago. Now, I need you to get your daughter and go with my men. They'll keep you both safe." HOW HARD WAS THAT, MR. HERO?!!
Granted, Chris did explain that I'd he told Ethan the truth, he would want to go on a revenge quest to hunt down Miranda for killing the real Mia (since Chris thought the real one was dead already). And given that Chris wanted to give Ethan (the civilian who went through hell in Louisiana) a break, telling him something that is usually the start of most revenge plots would not be productive. As to the fake corpse, there is also an explanation. He didn't expect Miranda to *shape-shift into a corpse* . When you hear "shape-shifter", you don't think "Maybe they can pretend to be a corpse". The thing that comes to mind is taking on different disguises, not being super tough. It's like when you think "zombies", you think slow and decaying, not incredibly reactive. Even Chris has experienced BOWs that are nowhere near as tough as Tyrants or Wesker
I'd like to shout out the Prince of Persia, whether he's handing over the dagger of time, causing the entire kingdom he's in to be overrun with sand zombies or ruining the timeline or releasing an ancient imprisoned evil he's always causing problems.
The thing that really made _Borderlamds_ fans groan at not figuring it out for themselves is the fact they had to spell out that a.) You’re on a planet called freaking *Pandora* , and b.) “Vault”, in the BL sense, could easily be thought of as a box of sorts, thus, c.) You, the vault hunter, in search of treasure and fame, open Pandora’s box, a mythical container said to unleash the world’s ills when opened. Even worse, the Destroyer doesn’t die when defeated, it just leaves through the portal in the vault to that from whence it came. This is proven by a side quest in _Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel_ , which takes place between the events of the original game and _Borderlands 2_ , in which Professor Nakayama tries to keep you from entering a random 4-digit code that opens a container, which has a “Tiny” Destroyer which the professor admits to creating from the DNA of the Destroyer.
The Destroyer is a universe threatening monster that was sealed by the eridians because they cannot kill it. They even made an entire planet as a prison, made a vault monster to protect them as they made the planet and had a siren suck the life out of every eridian so she could lock the Destroyer in the planet. What you killed in Borderlands is a really tiny portion of the Destroyer. In addition, to top how much the main characters screwed up in Borderlands, Handsome Jack took the eyeball of the Destroyer and uses it as a weapon on Helios, shown by the bombardments that Jack does on Pandora from Helios.
@@frozenduck23 Yeah, and in BL3, Tyreen leeches power from it to take her final form as the big bad who is the final boss killed at the end of that game.
I'm with JJ Jameson on that one. Even if the tablet wasn't magical, Spiderman gets several more priceless artifact destroyed trying to stop a simple robbery.
Yeah, Says the old grumpy critic who created Scorpion in the comics, the 1994 animated series and Marvel's Spider-Man (2018). Pretty messed up thing don't you think JJ?
@@clockworkmonsters8590Cute joke, but it contextually made no sense that he'd know about that. But then, that game's writing was a mess from the get-go, so I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise they'd reference the silliest moment in RE5 for kicks.
Eh. As much as I want to agree, Devola and Popola were manipulating events to go in that direction anyway and a few of the things are outside of his control anyway. Like, he definitely didn't HELP. But between Kaine's never even hinting the Shadows could communicate, Weiss' amnesia, Yonah not being able to fuse properly (and being kidnapped) and Devola and Popola setting him up to end things? Still absolutely his fault but one that I'd hesitate to give him full responsibility. Plus, he erased himself from existence in one of the endings, definitely feels guilt once he understands what is going on, loses all his friends family and identity in the 20 minutes before said erasure, and the world was probably doomed before he started anyway. He just hastened it along by (checks notes) making friends with the book that could MAYBE stop it to the point the book dies for him. And if you love the Dad version, he doesn't even get ending E! ((which is why I'm crossing my fingers he'll be in KH4. If Brother gets E, a remake, and references in the anime, let Dad be in KH post erasure to go with how Sora also erased himself. And Aya who also erases herself)
@madamminalost we can argue that everyone made mistakes. No one was right or wrong. Except Emil. He's the best boy! I go to Kainé because she never told anyone on what the Shades were saying. I don't blame her after hook killing Kali. She just wanted to help Nier in the only way she could. Nier could have stopped after learning everything, but I don't blame him either. Everything was a lie. He just wanted Yonah back.
It would be interesting to find out what happened during the development of REVIII that caused them to switch from werewolf Chris that was so obviously what they were setting up, to terrible communicator Chris that they landed on.
They could even so easily have added in a scene at the end where he was bitten by one of the lycans during the bit where you play as him, and he looks at the bite and then chooses to hide it and go home! How cool would that have been as a setup for a future game?!
I still almost feel as if Chris was originally going to be the form Miranda took in Village, usurping his squad by convincing them that Mia was the imposter and using them to kill the mother figure in Rose's life so that Miranda could fully take that role. Then, it's like they changed their minds halfway through and changed it to Mia being the shapeshifter. Chris just seems way too villainous for the first half of the game.
In defense of Link, he was being held captive by the dream of a diety, and all the "inhabitants" of that island were products of said diety's dream. In defense of Samus, ignoring the crater would have meant that either the Space Pirates eventually got to the crater, or that the corruption of Phazon takes the entire planet. Given what we come to learn about Phazon by the end of Prime 3, Samus kicking things off the way she did was likely better than ignoring the problem altogether.
I can't believe Chris "oops my team died" Redfield is on the list. I thought kidnapping Ethan and his kid then screaming at him constantly about how he can't tell him stuff was going to go super well.
Dark Samus isn't even the worst thing that Samus released. In Metroid II Samus exterminated the Metroid race, outside of one baby Metroid, which is a problem because the Metroids were the only thing that could kill the X Parasite, a shapeshifting species able to assimilate the DNA and knowledge of other creatures. Without the Metroids to keep them in check, the X Parasite quickly wiped out all other life on SR-338 and becomes the antagonists of Metroid Fusion.
yeah metroid 2 is probably her biggest fail as far as intergalactic threat go. But it's also incredibly scary what metroid can do from what we've seen in Prime 1 so I dont blame anyone asking her to start blasting
You're right, but the Metroids (and the Space Pirates weaponizing them) were the immediate threat. No one even knew that they were keeping a parasite at bay...
Yeah I'd honestly more put that one on the Federation that told her to do it before doing their research. Ultimately, Samus is just a mercenary in 2. She had no way of knowing that the metroids were suppressing an even worse threat than themselves. She was given what seemed to be a perfectly justified mission and completed it. Not her fault the Federation didn't do their due diligence before assigning her the task. She's a warrior, not a scientist after all!
In fairness to Samus, the space pirates were desperately trying to break the lock and likely would have eventually. As far as she was aware, it was a super weapon in there that she needed to dispose of.
Sorry to sound like a Link Apologist, but after the Animal Village theme, I think erasing all life on that island was not just necessary, but encouraged.
Ahh, the old "Nice job breaking it, hero!" trope. A true classic. :) What about Sonic the Hedgehog in Sonic Lost World? He accidentally set free the monsters Eggman had under his control, resulting in them taking command of his badnik horde and trying to suck up the life force from the entire planet below the Lost Hex.
Sonic has the tendency to cause problems or getting manipulated into doing something rash that results in plot or the villain getting powered (Sonic ova, prime, the black knight, unleashed, etc etc) but at least he fixes his messes with everyone getting out unscathed
The Divine Divinity series has plenty of these. The first game, where you don't finish off the Vessel of Chaos. The sequel novel where, once again, the Vessel of Chaos is not killed, but imprisoned on another world and it wrecks that one. The second game where you free the Vessel of Chaos from the world it's been trapped on.
And in the 3rd game you get played like a fiddle by the big bad's girlfriend and the world over is screwed because of you... if you don't play the expansion that's the ending !
Clive Barker's Undying. It turns out that hunting down and killing every single Covenant sibling was actually a bad idea. Due to them turning into Undying King's new seal after the ritual they conducted as children, killing them all sets the Undying King free, forcing Patrick to defeat it himself in order to prevent the end of the world.
In fairness, the manga adaptation of Link’s Awakening shows that he actually does hesitate to complete his quest upon learning the truth, but is encouraged to do so by the inhabitants, who will otherwise be at the mercy of the Nightmares forever.
The manga adaptation of legend of Zelda also said that link had rescued the boss of the fire dungeon from poachers when it was a baby. You can’t use that shit to win an argument about the games.
The inhabitants of Koholint, though, are not real beings (unless the Wind Fish is commonly dragging them into its dreams)...they're simply part of the dream (and, like some beings in actual dreams, *aware* of their dream nature). Sure, they may disappear when it awakens...but they return the next time the Wind Fish dreams.
I'm surprised Raiden wasn't in this list. From MK9 to 11, he screwed over earthrealm's champions in a reset, leaving a good chunk of them dead or with fates worse than death. On top of that, he became evil upon taking Shinnok's amulet.
Andy's horror t-shirt collection is so incredibly on point. This video is a sweet manga style Michael Myers. Last video we got a Clive Barker's Nightbreed throwback. I always look forward to see what he's gonna come out with next.
The Prince of Persia in the Sands of Time trilogy. (discounting Forgotten Sands because his brother made things worse not him.) Dude ruins everything o four separate occasions across 3 games.
The fact that they just glossed over the “health spa” in Zelda: links awakening is crazy. I had never seen it before and now am heading to go buy a system in which I could play this game. You guys should do a top 7 ‘that’s not actually what that is’ video.
It’s not the only character but technically you can play as Isildur in LotR: The Two Towers… that guy definitely would have solved some problems for later.
Honestly, a better example for Scorpion would be in Mortal Kombat 9, when he kills Sub Zero and allows Quan Chi to create Noob Saibot, despite Raiden's protests and visions of the future warning of it.
Nah that had less severe widespread consequences the only ones who were really affected was Kuai Liang and Scorpion himself later on when he found out he got the wrong guy
@@2bdaqueen268 Noob Saibot became a tool for Quan Chi's use, extending his ability to cause chaos in the various realms. I would very much say that is heavily contributing to "ruining everything".
In the manga version of Link's Awakening, when Link founds out that awakening the Wind Fish will cause Koholint Island to disappear, he does try to leave with Marin, only to find an invisible wall preventing him from leaving. To be fair, all of Koholint Island was nothing more than a dream world, a dream of the Wind Fish; nothing was real; all within was nothing more than an illusion A better take on it is that Link saved the Wind Fish from the monsters who were trying to control the Wind Fish through it's Nightmares, and the Wind Fish itself desired to wake up from its nightmare. Wouldn't you want to be woken up from a Nightmare to which you can't awaken yourself from? The worse tragedy is if Link fails to save Marin in the end by just dying at least once.
What about _the entire cast_ of Final Fantasy 6? They ended up leading antagonist Kefka to an artifact of godlike power, which he _immediately_ used to completely devastate the world.
There's an argument to be made that the Nerevarine (your character in Morrowind) had a hand in ruining most of the province through their actions, as destroying the Heart of Lorkhan removes the Tribunal's ability to "top off" their pseudo-divine powers and thus causes the first of many calamities to befall the Dunmer people when the asteroid-turned-gulag Bar Dao hits the city of Vivec; by the time of Skyrim, the Dunmer have lost a lot of their lands and culture to natural disasters and multiple invasions. Granted most of the blame falls on the Tribunal, predominately your power-mad deicidal ex-wife Almalexia and the narcissistic sex criminal Vivec. But you're not *entirely* in the clear on this one.
Eh, this one seems pretty much a developer, "We want you to forget about Morrowind," thing. I have a hard time believing the Nereverine could not have dealt with the problem, if the devs didn't conveniently write him out.
@shawngillogly6873 agreed, though I think there was also a book series they made canon that had this plot. They might have liked it for those reasons though. Btw, iirc it's left canonically open-ended whether the Nerevarine killed Vivec or just destroyed the Heart. Vivec wanted you to destroy it to kill Dagoth Ur, so it was a choice between the Blight overrunning the land and the eventual dropping of the moon, so no good options really. If it was gradual, still don't see why Vivec didn't just land the moon safely when he could... In my Morrowind game I usually don't kill him, so that's on his poor planning skills not on me :)
@@persephoneunderground845 Vivec is kind of an ass. He explicitly kept Baar Dao floating above the city as incentive to worship him. "I shall keep it there with its last intention intact, so that if the love of the people of this city for me ever disappear, so shall the power that holds back their destruction." -36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 33
When people talk about heroes who actually mess things up I always think of Golden Sun. If you play the sequel (which really is more like the 2nd half of one big game) you find out you were basically fighting to destroy the world for the entire first game. At least you were not very successful at it! Isaac and crew have to do a complete 180 in their motivation in the 2nd game.
In their defense, Felix and company had every opportunity to tell Isaac and crew what was really happening, especially after Satauros and Menardi's deaths. They just deliberately kept avoiding them, despite knowing Isaac was trying to rescue them.
@@Llortnerofexactly. I'd honestly make the same choice (if I knew what the options were) the world will die if you do nothing, but if you do release the force of alchemy then the world may just be saved
Ocarina of Time Zelda ruined the adult timeline twice: first by falling for Ganondorf's machinations and sending Link to open the Sacred Realm, thereby allowing Ganondorf to get his hands on the Trifore within, and second by sending Teen Link back in time to prevent Ganondorf from rising to power in the first place, thereby removing the Hero's soul from her branch of the now split timeline, meaning that Link wasn't reborn the next time Ganodorf was unsealed, causing the Goddesses to freeze Hyrule in time and then flood it with a lifeless sea, which is how Wind Waker's world got to be like that.
@@CodaBlair I think that's a different situation, since that Link stopped Ganondorf, it's just that Ganondorf spontaneously got the Triforce of Power during his execution due to some cosmic prank (which I think was supposed to be temporal shenanigans from his Adult Timeline self touching the Triforce in the Sacred Realm around that time) and breaking free long enough to murder one of the sages overseeing said execution and forcing the rest to have to toss him into the Twilight Realm. So I guess OoT Zelda gets the blame for that too, if it *was* actually related to OoT Ganondorf getting the Triforce.
Removing his soul and thus stopping him from getting reborn? Is there anything about this in the actual games or is this one of those whacky fan theories? Because it doesn't really make much sense since he obviously does get reborn in Wind Waker and then again in Spirit Tracks.
@@Howitchewstofeel5gum The Opening of WW says that Hyrule was flooded because the hero failed to be reappear, so Wind Waker Link is a new Hero who needed to gain the Goddesses' recognition we the new Hero (like Skyward Sword Link did to become the first hero), unlike TP Link from the timeline where the original Hero's Soul remained, who was born with the Triforce of Courage and was immediately recognized as the Hero but the Light Spirits. Not to mention that the Shade of the Hero of Time appeared in TP to train his descendant/reincarnation and bemoaned the fact that no one remembers his Hero of Time heroics, but he never appeared in the WW timeline (though in all fairness, that could also be retroactively explained by his heroics actually being remembered in that timeline). OTOH, Ganondorf claims to have recognized WW Link as the Hero of Time reborn, but that could be a figure of speech since he only met the guy for a few minutes over a hundred years ago and doesn't really have any way of recognizing so up ls that I'm aware of, so it's probably more reasonable from his perspective to think that the blonde twink with the Master Sword, Triforce of Courage, and doofy hat was a matter of reincarnation rather than a cosplay that got wildly out of hand.
When I first played Link's Awakening back on the Game Boy Colour, I spent the whole game expecting that there'd be some get-out clause to spare Koholint. Nope!
True, but in Kirby's Dream Land, Dedede stole all of the food in Dream Land. Dedede may have had a good reason for what he did in Adventure, but he didn't for Dream Land.
@@enforcerridley158Dreamland happens before Adventure/ Nightmare. So, Dedede probably thought "you know, maybe i should do something to help my people" Then here comes Kirby, Jolly as ever:
Also that time Meta Knight was trying to stop some ancient evil from escaping its magical prison, before Kirby beat him up and opened said prison in search of cake
@@aardbei54 In Kirby's defense, Laroach stole his cake and put in a treasure chest identical to the one that the ancient evil was sealed in, then somehow switched the two chests.
One example I can think of is the protagonist of Divinity II, if you just play the base game (Ego Draconis) without the expansion (Flames of Vengeance). I remember when I first played, I saw the ending, was rather confused, then reloaded my last save and redid the final encounter in case I'd missed something/made a mistake in thelast dialogue. Nope, ending's the same either way. At least you get to undo the damage (eventually) in the expansion.
I feel like the Belmonts from Castlevania could stand to be scrutinized. Remember the one that sought revenge and created Dracula? Or the one that resurrected Dracula just to kill him again? How the one that became Dracula in an alter timeline?
To be fair Leon wanted to rescue his loved one from another vampire, and while that was exactly what his 'friend' wanted to get the power to become Dracula, it also helped created the very same whip that would become Dracula's bane, and Simon wanted to get rid of a curse that Dracula casted on him, and that guaranteed there would be still someone to keep Dracula away; But yeah Gabriel has no excuse, and he screwed up a lot
"Sub Zero may not breathe fire, but at least he didn't screwed Earthrrealm this badly" who gonna tell Andy it was Sub Zero who recovered Shinnok's amulet for Quan Chi in the original timeline?
If link is guilty of killing hundreds when he wakes up the fish then we are all just as guilty of killing millions every time we get up in the morning.
Kiryu probably belongs somewhere on this list, ditching his chairman position almost immediately, naming an eventual traitor to succeed him, then nominating Daigo for the role instead only to abandon him to to clean up all the messes alone and then having the GALL to criticize him when he couldn't clean up said messes. Not to mention all the emotional trauma he's caused his adoptive daughter, and multiple people that would 100% still be alive if they'd never met him. I'm sure there's more I've only played 2-6 once through so I don't remember them very vividly.
In RE Village, Chris don't tell Ethan because actually he wasn't sure Mia was Miranda for sure. As Ethan refuses to stop he starts thinking Miranda has transformed in to ethan
guys you forgot that Egad also pretended that Luigi was his first choice in the dark moon game , but he had in fact, called Mario first and sent him in, leading to Mario's captor. And he never even apologies for it, the jerk. XD
Immediately thought of Logan from Fable 3. He faced the Crawler but then was like nope the only way I can build enough money to save my kingdom is be a tyrant by leaving the people who saved me defenseless & making the citzens of my kingdom miserable. Yet despite this brilliant plan of his he still only managed to get around 200,000 gold for the treasury. Meanwhile my protagonist managed to save the kingdom by working a job, owning some buildings & houses, & donating treasures, then dumping all of that income into the treasury. All the while keeping every promise & not becoming a tyrant
ok I've gotta go finish metroid prime remastered now omg!! I was having such a blast with it but I got distracted and now I have to play BG3 for the next three years ^.^ thanks for another great video!! I think the hunter in bloodborne fits the bill tbh, obviously things aren't going very well in Yharnam to begin with but killing the one thing holding back the maximum horrors is a pretty big oops ^.^ also hearing Andy mention Mario Sunshine without a snarky aside was genuinely startling ^.^ correct choice to make him read that script!
You really need to read through the log book entries to understand the game... something the writer did not do for this video... and need to at least play metroid prime 3 to understand the bigger picture.... it is an amazing game, though! Enjoy!
Isn't the Metroid Prime supposed to be a native of Tallon IV that was mutated by the Phazon? I thought the Worm referred to the Leviathan Seed inside the meteorite, like the ones from Norion, Bryyo, and Elysia
what about the hero of Kirkwall in dragon age 2? kinda set up the whole war-torn, rebellion-filled borderline apocalyptic world in inquisition. that being said, one of my favourite moments in any video game I've ever played was when my spirit / demon possessed wizard boyfriend blew up religion, 10 / 10, great game
@@Evi_29 They blame hawke but in this context it’s more of a guilt by association thing. You knew Anders felt strongly about the circle. You knew he was possessed by and losing control over justice/vengeance but did nothing. Hawke was getting blamed either way.
I don't know if it counts, but in Dragon Age 2, Varric Tethras and his brother get the Champion of Kirkwall to help fund and protect an expedition into the Deep Roads, recovering the Red Lyrium Idol and accidentally corrupting the Knight Captain once they sell it, pushing further tensions onto the mages and templars. Then, Anders serves as the catalyst and starts the war between the two. So if anything, the Champion of Kirkwall is pretty much fully responsible for the mage-templar war, even though they only wanted to give their family a better life after escaping the Blight in Fereldan.
I never thought I'd see Spiderman and Sonic have something in common. Now I do know. They both destroyed an Unknown Mystical Artifact and shattered reality.
I'm surprised that Nier from, well, NieR isn't on the list. Going through, killing dozens upon dozens of shades, the incident with the twins, and killing the Shadowlord. Which is the worst thing he could have possibly done
Considering the topic of the video, Devola and Poppola should be the ones featured. Look how Ethan isn't the member of the list, but Chris. The twins encouraged him to go against the Shadow Lord, to defeat shades, etc
I...I was not expecting to see Scorpion pounding on Quan Chi like a high schooler that just got into an argument with their best friend...*and* it included the passive commentary from the nearby crowd, too? Comedy *gold*.
At least Samus didn't blow up Tallon IV. With having Alderaaned Zebes, SR-388, Dark Aether, Phaaze (technically a planet sized sentient ball of radioactive fungus or something), and ZDR, it's a miracle at this point if she leaves a largely uninhabited planet mostly unscathed.
Dark Aether kinda collapsed in on itself after the light Aether was restored, and there was no life on SR-388 or Phaaze left that wasn't a threat to the entire galaxy. And Zebes was technically on MB. Maybe Samus is just very unlucky
Yeah, clearly that's her fault that every one of these monsters that are a threat to the entire galaxy are the support beam for these planets. She needs to be locked up for her crimes, so all the other galaxy-ending threats can just kill everything without any resistance.
Well, I can think of no better example than Rean Schwarzer from the Trails of Cold Steel series. Despite his being a good guy to a fault (to the point where people are mocking him for being too altruistic), he ends up making a huge mess of things thanks to a mix between immaturity and self-sacrifice (and, to be fair, his desire to avoid bloodshed). In the second and third game, he is constantly making things worse, to the point that (trying to avoid major spoilers here), everyone ends up working for the bad guys because his actions left them no other choice.
I’m gonna go with I actually helped bring civilization to the borderlands. Most of the time you’re killing bandits or faceless corporate oppressors. The people who live there flock to you for safety and friendship
The protagonist of pirate101, we literally start a war just to get 2 people out of a prison. Sure we do eventually help one of the sides but we DID also get to see what we did to that side.
The Diablo 1 warrior should be mentioned as well, such a brilliant idea to try and contain a prime evil in his own body and have it lead to the ongoing events of the series.
It's like the One Ring, the soul of Diablo corrupts everything. The red soulstone whispers into the Warrior when he picks it up after he defeats Diablo in Diablo 1. He couldn't resist it.
Glad to see Link's Awakening on this list. I love Producer Jon's playthrough of the game on Oxtra and Luke and Ellen coming to the realization that Link isn't the hero in that game. I almost mentioned our character in the Souls games and Bloodborne, but our character is never a hero. They're just some random nobody getting roped into doing stuff. Some of it good, some of it bad, but we're still not a hero. We're just someone who can't keep their hands to themself (touching a "corpse", touching a broken egg, touching a skull, etc etc).
@@ASpooneyBard Precisely. Our Unkindled One also touched that egg which ended that time stop and made us fast forward to the end of the world. I've lost track of how much crap our characters have caused in FromSoftware games by touching stuff we shouldn't.
Dust in Figment 2: Creed Valley. Wanting to do things his way deciding it's best to capture the Jester that's running amok. Dusty's attempt at catching the Jester makes things go from bad to worse as the Jester snaps and really starts causing havoc.
Pit and Palutena from Kid Icarys Uprising. After attacking and destroying the Lunar Sanctum that belonged to Viridi, they let out the Chaos Kin which, a couple chapters down the road, causes a lot of... not so nice things to happen.
Ok but that's more on either Viridi or Arlon. Either one of them could have taken like two seconds to explain what the Lunar Sanctum was for. They literally asked Arlon multiple times over the course of the level but he refused to tell them, and it is conveniently the *only* level where Viridi can't just find you whenever the hell she feels like. If Arlon was not allowed to talk, he could've contacted Viridi, who could tell them or tell Arlon he can talk. And there *was* a big fuck off space laser on the lunar sanctum that Palutena was rightly worried about. Palutena did her due dilligence. Just like the RE8 example isn't on Ethan, this one should not be on Palutena or Pit.
This wouldn’t be the only time Samus endangered the galaxy. In Metroid ii: Return of Samus and Metroid: Samus Returns, she is given the task of killing all metroids in existence by the Galactic Federation. Only for it to turn out that metroids actually exist for a reason and are the only thing keeping the X Parasite under control. Also, that time in Prince of Persia where the Prince re-releases Ahriman.
What about teyrn Loghain from Dragon Age: Origins? He was a hero during the war with Orlais, one of king's closest friends but betrayed king's son and Grey Wardens only because he thought he would be a better leader, causing a chain of events that almost destroyed the whole Ferelden.
It's still unclear to this day weither or not Logain's charge would have changed the outcome of the battle. Of course we have to take him at his word but he does mention when you recruit him that he believed that him charging would have lead everyone to die.
@@UnPokemon Cailan was a fucking idiot who learned strategy from fairy tales, but in that case, Loghain should've just said "no" and order his army to leave Ostagar. It might've been treated like a treason, but Loghain had many followers regarding him as a hero and a true leader, so it might've scared Cailan who would be forced to wait for Orlais. If Darkspawn attacked, maybe Duncan would be able to convince the king that they should back off and secure nearby terrains. Settlements like Lothering might've fallen much later and people might've been able to seek refuge in fortified cities. Also, I don't think Loghain saved anyone ordering the poisoning of arl Eamon or allowing arl Howe to slaughter a whole city. He definitely had good intentions but very bad means for saving Ferelden. Allowing him to repent by killing the Archdemon is probably the best ending for him.
The fact that somewhere down the storyline Chris redfield abandoned the BSAA and became a member of the umbrella counter F up group is still the unknown for me (if nobody believes me check what's written on his health syringes)
Chris is so manly that he doesn't have to explain himself... even if it would have been extremely easy/convenient to do so. Sort of like Snake in Metal Gear Solid.
If there is a Part 2 to this list, I'd add Ajay Ghale from 'Far Cry 4'. Putting either leader of the 'Golden Path' in charge of Kyrat only makes things worse for its people. Turns out, the best thing Ajay can do for Kyrat is to just sit, and enjoy the crab rangoon.
Here’s one: The protagonist of Doki Doki Literature Club ruined everything just by showing up. We even see how things would have gone if they hadn’t shown up in the side stories, and everything’s chill.
While Samus should definitely have been more careful to avoid getting her Phazon Suit stolen, she still had no choice but to undo the Chozo Artifact seal and kill the "Worm". A few of the Space Pirate Data scans indicate that they already found the creature through their excavations and outfitted its exoskeleton with weaponry. Had she left the planet alone, it would have been just a matter of time before it could leave and cause havoc on its own... possibly under the Space Pirates' direct control even. Although Dark Samus being more powerful than any of the creature's previous forms is definitely a regretable mistake, Samus' decision wasn't wrong.
This is unrelated, but wouldn’t it be cool to have something called Vault Hunters in Fallout? Like a combination of archivists and scavengers who hunt down Vaults to record the atrocities there as they grab anything they can use/sell.
Chronos: Before the Ashes. You're trying to stop the evil alien plant that's infesting the Earth, so you spend the entire game killing what turn out to be otherwordly guardians preventing the evil alien plant from infesting other worlds. Then you get possessed and end up as the next game's final boss.
The way Chris says "Ethan! No." is too Funny! it sounds like he's scolding a dog: Ethan! No! Drop it Ethan! Bad dog, sit!
That may have been my first thought in my first playthrough
Wesker is in Hell like, "Dammit, Chris! I might have planned to betray you, but I know I taught you how to interact with the public!"
I know ' bad Ethan bad dog your not having your baby back'
"Ethan, no."
Felt like a Golden Retriever who jumped on the couch when he wasn't wanted.
To be fair to Link. If he didn't wake the Windfish then then Koholint Island would have been consumed by nightmares makin it a hellscape, and Link wouldn't have just not been able to make it back to Hyrule but he would have _died_ at sea. I'm pretty sure Link didn't want to do it, but the alternative was far, far worse for everyone. Plus, Marin escapes if you beat it without dying a single time.
There is also the argument that the Island and its inhabitant a were never real to begin with, you know being a dream and all.
Does she really escape?
@@midnights2631 It is heavily implied.
She becomes a seagull, just like she wanted, which isn't much of a living but it's what she wanted I guess.@@midnights2631
@@midnights2631 Technically yes. If you beat the game without dying a seagull shows up in the ending that's supposed to be Marin reborn in the real world, apparently the Wind Fish heard her wish she was talking about in the beach date with Link.
Chris: "You think I'd kill Mia?"
Ethan: "What!? Yeah!? I saw you do it! What else would I think!? That that was some kind of shapeshifter!?"
Chris: "Well... uh."
Chris: well, you see, funny story actually-
It is explained if you take the time to actually read the files found through the game that Chris didn't know if Ethan was under Miranda's influence and couldn't take any chances.
@@RevanAlaire That room in and of itself is an issue in the game. Instead of any organic storytelling, they just create an expositing bunker to explain the story to you (and I understand that Covid threw some wrenches in the works, but then they went with the same idea for the DLC with Rose as well). But OxBox did find all those in their playthrough, they just felt like it was a pretty weak defense for how Chris went about the situation. It felt like a decision made by game developers to get the people to where they needed them to be and not an actual decision that would be made by the characters. But the game was still great, so we forgive.
@@RevanAlaireI must have missed that and I found a majority of the files (like 80%). So yeah it does kind of suck they didn't do a better job at explaining that fact.
I feel like the first time you run into Chris, he should have realized that Ethan wasn't under Miranda's influence imo
If Samus Aran had a nickel for every time there was an evil abominable doppelganger created from her suit and trace amounts of her DNA she'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
- insert meme of Captain America, here -
i got that reference
Ah, a classic, both of your memes
Well, there were actually at least 10 SA-X's once the first one started reproducing, so she'd have at least 55 cents.
To be fair, what is "The most powerful of all the mystic artefacts in the world" doing in a museum, and with so little protection that Mysterio can just lift off its cover and not even trigger an alarm even?
Doctor strange put it in there Lol jk 😂😂😂😂😂. Icing in the cake it’s MCU Dr Strange I bet 😂😂😂😂😂.
In Chris' case, it really is a wonder why he didn't clue in Ethan AFTER they lit up Miranda like a Christmas tree. Yes, she wasn't dead, but there was more than likely enough time to tell Ethan so he wasn't thinking the man who had saved his life back in the conclusion of RE7 hadn't turned evil. It's also highly questionable why Chris and his team didn't think to be more careful with Miranda's body. Chris had met his share of nigh-invulnerable superhumans by that point, should have had something to actually contain Miranda in, even in the off chance that she had somehow died during the raid on Ethan's house. I get that Chris and his team were operating on their own accord, but there's just very little excuse for what went down in Village's plot
It was just poorly written. Plain and simple.
@@Paulafan5 The whole thing with Blue Umbrella is pretty bad too
@Paulafan5 They knew it was poorly written too.
"Ethan! Ethan! Ethan! I know this looks bad, but that's not your wife! She's a shape-shifting mold mutant that took her place days ago. Now, I need you to get your daughter and go with my men. They'll keep you both safe."
HOW HARD WAS THAT, MR. HERO?!!
Granted, Chris did explain that I'd he told Ethan the truth, he would want to go on a revenge quest to hunt down Miranda for killing the real Mia (since Chris thought the real one was dead already). And given that Chris wanted to give Ethan (the civilian who went through hell in Louisiana) a break, telling him something that is usually the start of most revenge plots would not be productive.
As to the fake corpse, there is also an explanation. He didn't expect Miranda to *shape-shift into a corpse* . When you hear "shape-shifter", you don't think "Maybe they can pretend to be a corpse". The thing that comes to mind is taking on different disguises, not being super tough.
It's like when you think "zombies", you think slow and decaying, not incredibly reactive. Even Chris has experienced BOWs that are nowhere near as tough as Tyrants or Wesker
I'd like to shout out the Prince of Persia, whether he's handing over the dagger of time, causing the entire kingdom he's in to be overrun with sand zombies or ruining the timeline or releasing an ancient imprisoned evil he's always causing problems.
To be fair to the Prince, him picking up the Dagger in SoT did much less damage than if the bad guy did.
The thing that really made _Borderlamds_ fans groan at not figuring it out for themselves is the fact they had to spell out that a.) You’re on a planet called freaking *Pandora* , and b.) “Vault”, in the BL sense, could easily be thought of as a box of sorts, thus, c.) You, the vault hunter, in search of treasure and fame, open Pandora’s box, a mythical container said to unleash the world’s ills when opened. Even worse, the Destroyer doesn’t die when defeated, it just leaves through the portal in the vault to that from whence it came. This is proven by a side quest in _Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel_ , which takes place between the events of the original game and _Borderlands 2_ , in which Professor Nakayama tries to keep you from entering a random 4-digit code that opens a container, which has a “Tiny” Destroyer which the professor admits to creating from the DNA of the Destroyer.
The Destroyer is a universe threatening monster that was sealed by the eridians because they cannot kill it. They even made an entire planet as a prison, made a vault monster to protect them as they made the planet and had a siren suck the life out of every eridian so she could lock the Destroyer in the planet. What you killed in Borderlands is a really tiny portion of the Destroyer. In addition, to top how much the main characters screwed up in Borderlands, Handsome Jack took the eyeball of the Destroyer and uses it as a weapon on Helios, shown by the bombardments that Jack does on Pandora from Helios.
@@frozenduck23 Yeah, and in BL3, Tyreen leeches power from it to take her final form as the big bad who is the final boss killed at the end of that game.
I'm with JJ Jameson on that one.
Even if the tablet wasn't magical, Spiderman gets several more priceless artifact destroyed trying to stop a simple robbery.
Not only that, most were stolen from other countries.
he's a *MENACE*
@@Feasco Screw you, Jameson.
The only time I agree with JJ
Yeah,
Says the old grumpy critic who created Scorpion in the comics, the 1994 animated series and Marvel's Spider-Man (2018).
Pretty messed up thing don't you think JJ?
Chris punching that Boulder never EVER gets old 🤣
The boulder had it coming.
To quote Heisenberg: "That boulder punching asshole!"
@@clockworkmonsters8590 I say this in my head in Heisenberg's voice every time I see Chris now. Absolutely iconic burn.
Resident Evil has people mutating into 50 foot tall monsters, invincible bioweapons, but people have an issue with Chris punching a boulder. Strange.
@@clockworkmonsters8590Cute joke, but it contextually made no sense that he'd know about that. But then, that game's writing was a mess from the get-go, so I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise they'd reference the silliest moment in RE5 for kicks.
The protagonist from Nier should be number one on this list
I think things were already ruined but yeah, they didn't help matters
His nickname precedes itself
Eh. As much as I want to agree, Devola and Popola were manipulating events to go in that direction anyway and a few of the things are outside of his control anyway.
Like, he definitely didn't HELP. But between Kaine's never even hinting the Shadows could communicate, Weiss' amnesia, Yonah not being able to fuse properly (and being kidnapped) and Devola and Popola setting him up to end things? Still absolutely his fault but one that I'd hesitate to give him full responsibility. Plus, he erased himself from existence in one of the endings, definitely feels guilt once he understands what is going on, loses all his friends family and identity in the 20 minutes before said erasure, and the world was probably doomed before he started anyway. He just hastened it along by (checks notes) making friends with the book that could MAYBE stop it to the point the book dies for him.
And if you love the Dad version, he doesn't even get ending E!
((which is why I'm crossing my fingers he'll be in KH4. If Brother gets E, a remake, and references in the anime, let Dad be in KH post erasure to go with how Sora also erased himself. And Aya who also erases herself)
@madamminalost we can argue that everyone made mistakes. No one was right or wrong. Except Emil. He's the best boy!
I go to Kainé because she never told anyone on what the Shades were saying. I don't blame her after hook killing Kali. She just wanted to help Nier in the only way she could.
Nier could have stopped after learning everything, but I don't blame him either. Everything was a lie. He just wanted Yonah back.
@@madamminalostI’m a bit confused, why would Nier appear in KH?
It would be interesting to find out what happened during the development of REVIII that caused them to switch from werewolf Chris that was so obviously what they were setting up, to terrible communicator Chris that they landed on.
They could even so easily have added in a scene at the end where he was bitten by one of the lycans during the bit where you play as him, and he looks at the bite and then chooses to hide it and go home! How cool would that have been as a setup for a future game?!
In Spider-Man's defence, he was just trying to punch Mysterio in the fish-bowl. Mysterio used the tablet to shield himself.
Agreed.
Probably shouldn’t be punching fishbowls either.
@@michaelchallis4129Maybe the bad guy shouldn't be in a fishbowl, then
And why's such a powerful artifact vulnerable to a punch anyway? And not even like a Hyperion punch, just Spidey punch.
@@Veladus spidey can punch REALLY hard, tho.
"Somehow, King Boo returned..." Also, I'm with Jane on any decision vis-a-vis interdimensional portals, since she's got a degree in Physics.
She does? Well, then I'd gladly take her advice as a valid first opinion.
I still almost feel as if Chris was originally going to be the form Miranda took in Village, usurping his squad by convincing them that Mia was the imposter and using them to kill the mother figure in Rose's life so that Miranda could fully take that role. Then, it's like they changed their minds halfway through and changed it to Mia being the shapeshifter. Chris just seems way too villainous for the first half of the game.
In defense of Link, he was being held captive by the dream of a diety, and all the "inhabitants" of that island were products of said diety's dream.
In defense of Samus, ignoring the crater would have meant that either the Space Pirates eventually got to the crater, or that the corruption of Phazon takes the entire planet. Given what we come to learn about Phazon by the end of Prime 3, Samus kicking things off the way she did was likely better than ignoring the problem altogether.
I can't believe Chris "oops my team died" Redfield is on the list. I thought kidnapping Ethan and his kid then screaming at him constantly about how he can't tell him stuff was going to go super well.
Chris has a habit of getting his allies killed. He does it all the time, mans is really a terrible leader. XD
Dark Samus isn't even the worst thing that Samus released. In Metroid II Samus exterminated the Metroid race, outside of one baby Metroid, which is a problem because the Metroids were the only thing that could kill the X Parasite, a shapeshifting species able to assimilate the DNA and knowledge of other creatures. Without the Metroids to keep them in check, the X Parasite quickly wiped out all other life on SR-338 and becomes the antagonists of Metroid Fusion.
yeah metroid 2 is probably her biggest fail as far as intergalactic threat go. But it's also incredibly scary what metroid can do from what we've seen in Prime 1 so I dont blame anyone asking her to start blasting
You're right, but the Metroids (and the Space Pirates weaponizing them) were the immediate threat. No one even knew that they were keeping a parasite at bay...
Sorry to sound like a 🤓 But I think it’s SR-388 not Sr-338
Yeah I'd honestly more put that one on the Federation that told her to do it before doing their research. Ultimately, Samus is just a mercenary in 2. She had no way of knowing that the metroids were suppressing an even worse threat than themselves. She was given what seemed to be a perfectly justified mission and completed it. Not her fault the Federation didn't do their due diligence before assigning her the task. She's a warrior, not a scientist after all!
I do have to wonder why such a powerful artifact was just sitting in a museum instead of being studied in a lab somewhere.
Black Panther showed that colonizers couldn't find miracle metal inside some useless tools. Convenient idiocy.
In fairness to Samus, the space pirates were desperately trying to break the lock and likely would have eventually. As far as she was aware, it was a super weapon in there that she needed to dispose of.
Sorry to sound like a Link Apologist, but after the Animal Village theme, I think erasing all life on that island was not just necessary, but encouraged.
Even games with great OSTs have bad songs. That theme sounds better in the HD version, but not by much.
@@Munster_Mash For me it was the replacing of midi notes with horrid cat shrieks. The tune itself is fine, maybe even pleasant.
That track makes me lol every time. Just incredibly idiotic mayhem
Haven't played the game in so long, I don't even remember it.
10 Woof, woof, woo-woo-woo-woo-woof woof woof,
20 Meow, meow, meo-meo-meo-meo-meow meow meow
30 Goto 10
Ahh, the old "Nice job breaking it, hero!" trope. A true classic. :)
What about Sonic the Hedgehog in Sonic Lost World? He accidentally set free the monsters Eggman had under his control, resulting in them taking command of his badnik horde and trying to suck up the life force from the entire planet below the Lost Hex.
Sonic has the tendency to cause problems or getting manipulated into doing something rash that results in plot or the villain getting powered (Sonic ova, prime, the black knight, unleashed, etc etc) but at least he fixes his messes with everyone getting out unscathed
Alex Mercer pretty much created a second Chernobyl just by breathing on everyone 😂
The Divine Divinity series has plenty of these.
The first game, where you don't finish off the Vessel of Chaos.
The sequel novel where, once again, the Vessel of Chaos is not killed, but imprisoned on another world and it wrecks that one.
The second game where you free the Vessel of Chaos from the world it's been trapped on.
And in the 3rd game you get played like a fiddle by the big bad's girlfriend and the world over is screwed because of you... if you don't play the expansion that's the ending !
Clive Barker's Undying.
It turns out that hunting down and killing every single Covenant sibling was actually a bad idea. Due to them turning into Undying King's new seal after the ritual they conducted as children, killing them all sets the Undying King free, forcing Patrick to defeat it himself in order to prevent the end of the world.
i wish they make a remake
@jane douglas we appreciate your sacrifice in making UA-cam videos and not becoming an infamous bounty hunter feared across the galaxy.
That dude from Dying Light. Destroys all the cure in a cut scene only to spend the game trying to get more of the cure.....Couldn't believe it.
Dying is one of my favorite games, but yeah. Like, why only save one? Grab a handful and stuff your pockets.
@@Skitsophobia or stash the whole case somewhere.....
@@BennyCo.Skateboard Or.. pretend you destroyed it but still bring the whole thing back to the tower
@@stone5against1 exactly
In fairness, the manga adaptation of Link’s Awakening shows that he actually does hesitate to complete his quest upon learning the truth, but is encouraged to do so by the inhabitants, who will otherwise be at the mercy of the Nightmares forever.
The manga adaptation of legend of Zelda also said that link had rescued the boss of the fire dungeon from poachers when it was a baby. You can’t use that shit to win an argument about the games.
The inhabitants of Koholint, though, are not real beings (unless the Wind Fish is commonly dragging them into its dreams)...they're simply part of the dream (and, like some beings in actual dreams, *aware* of their dream nature). Sure, they may disappear when it awakens...but they return the next time the Wind Fish dreams.
Andy mentioning Mario Sunshine as a positive for Mario is a clear win for Luke 😂
I'm surprised Raiden wasn't in this list. From MK9 to 11, he screwed over earthrealm's champions in a reset, leaving a good chunk of them dead or with fates worse than death. On top of that, he became evil upon taking Shinnok's amulet.
All thanks to shinnok's mother kronika
To be fair that was more due to outside forces beyond his control and the elder gods just being the most unhelpful mofos on the planet
Andy's horror t-shirt collection is so incredibly on point. This video is a sweet manga style Michael Myers. Last video we got a Clive Barker's Nightbreed throwback. I always look forward to see what he's gonna come out with next.
The Prince of Persia in the Sands of Time trilogy. (discounting Forgotten Sands because his brother made things worse not him.) Dude ruins everything o four separate occasions across 3 games.
The never-ending vendetta against Mysterio continues. Guys, did he lose your cat or something?
Captain Walker from Spec ops. Just a series of everything ruining decisions.
The fact that they just glossed over the “health spa” in Zelda: links awakening is crazy. I had never seen it before and now am heading to go buy a system in which I could play this game. You guys should do a top 7 ‘that’s not actually what that is’ video.
what do you mean? That's clearly a health spa, I don't understand the quotes. The bed even vibrates for extra health recovery.
It’s not the only character but technically you can play as Isildur in LotR: The Two Towers… that guy definitely would have solved some problems for later.
2:00 "So anyway, I started blasting." - Chris Redfield
"Ethan, that's not your wife!" Disaster not necessarily averted but at least drastically reduced.
Honestly, a better example for Scorpion would be in Mortal Kombat 9, when he kills Sub Zero and allows Quan Chi to create Noob Saibot, despite Raiden's protests and visions of the future warning of it.
Nah that had less severe widespread consequences the only ones who were really affected was Kuai Liang and Scorpion himself later on when he found out he got the wrong guy
@@2bdaqueen268 Noob Saibot became a tool for Quan Chi's use, extending his ability to cause chaos in the various realms. I would very much say that is heavily contributing to "ruining everything".
In the manga version of Link's Awakening, when Link founds out that awakening the Wind Fish will cause Koholint Island to disappear, he does try to leave with Marin, only to find an invisible wall preventing him from leaving.
To be fair, all of Koholint Island was nothing more than a dream world, a dream of the Wind Fish; nothing was real; all within was nothing more than an illusion A better take on it is that Link saved the Wind Fish from the monsters who were trying to control the Wind Fish through it's Nightmares, and the Wind Fish itself desired to wake up from its nightmare.
Wouldn't you want to be woken up from a Nightmare to which you can't awaken yourself from?
The worse tragedy is if Link fails to save Marin in the end by just dying at least once.
What about _the entire cast_ of Final Fantasy 6? They ended up leading antagonist Kefka to an artifact of godlike power, which he _immediately_ used to completely devastate the world.
There's an argument to be made that the Nerevarine (your character in Morrowind) had a hand in ruining most of the province through their actions, as destroying the Heart of Lorkhan removes the Tribunal's ability to "top off" their pseudo-divine powers and thus causes the first of many calamities to befall the Dunmer people when the asteroid-turned-gulag Bar Dao hits the city of Vivec; by the time of Skyrim, the Dunmer have lost a lot of their lands and culture to natural disasters and multiple invasions.
Granted most of the blame falls on the Tribunal, predominately your power-mad deicidal ex-wife Almalexia and the narcissistic sex criminal Vivec. But you're not *entirely* in the clear on this one.
Eh, this one seems pretty much a developer, "We want you to forget about Morrowind," thing. I have a hard time believing the Nereverine could not have dealt with the problem, if the devs didn't conveniently write him out.
@shawngillogly6873 agreed, though I think there was also a book series they made canon that had this plot. They might have liked it for those reasons though.
Btw, iirc it's left canonically open-ended whether the Nerevarine killed Vivec or just destroyed the Heart. Vivec wanted you to destroy it to kill Dagoth Ur, so it was a choice between the Blight overrunning the land and the eventual dropping of the moon, so no good options really. If it was gradual, still don't see why Vivec didn't just land the moon safely when he could... In my Morrowind game I usually don't kill him, so that's on his poor planning skills not on me :)
@@persephoneunderground845yeah really that's on Vivec for just deciding to freeze that asteroid there just to flex on sheogorath
@@persephoneunderground845 Vivec is kind of an ass. He explicitly kept Baar Dao floating above the city as incentive to worship him.
"I shall keep it there with its last intention intact, so that if the love of the people of this city for me ever disappear, so shall the power that holds back their destruction."
-36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 33
Bao Dur? Like in KotOR II?
When people talk about heroes who actually mess things up I always think of Golden Sun. If you play the sequel (which really is more like the 2nd half of one big game) you find out you were basically fighting to destroy the world for the entire first game. At least you were not very successful at it! Isaac and crew have to do a complete 180 in their motivation in the 2nd game.
In their defense, Felix and company had every opportunity to tell Isaac and crew what was really happening, especially after Satauros and Menardi's deaths. They just deliberately kept avoiding them, despite knowing Isaac was trying to rescue them.
It's more like trading assured destruction of the world for probable destruction. Dark Dawn showed that part quite well.
@@Llortnerofexactly. I'd honestly make the same choice (if I knew what the options were) the world will die if you do nothing, but if you do release the force of alchemy then the world may just be saved
“Jawa having a whispered argument in the cinema” is so accurate it’s poetry
Ocarina of Time Zelda ruined the adult timeline twice: first by falling for Ganondorf's machinations and sending Link to open the Sacred Realm, thereby allowing Ganondorf to get his hands on the Trifore within, and second by sending Teen Link back in time to prevent Ganondorf from rising to power in the first place, thereby removing the Hero's soul from her branch of the now split timeline, meaning that Link wasn't reborn the next time Ganodorf was unsealed, causing the Goddesses to freeze Hyrule in time and then flood it with a lifeless sea, which is how Wind Waker's world got to be like that.
Child timeline Link could too since he basically caused the events of twilight princess
@@CodaBlair I think that's a different situation, since that Link stopped Ganondorf, it's just that Ganondorf spontaneously got the Triforce of Power during his execution due to some cosmic prank (which I think was supposed to be temporal shenanigans from his Adult Timeline self touching the Triforce in the Sacred Realm around that time) and breaking free long enough to murder one of the sages overseeing said execution and forcing the rest to have to toss him into the Twilight Realm.
So I guess OoT Zelda gets the blame for that too, if it *was* actually related to OoT Ganondorf getting the Triforce.
Removing his soul and thus stopping him from getting reborn? Is there anything about this in the actual games or is this one of those whacky fan theories? Because it doesn't really make much sense since he obviously does get reborn in Wind Waker and then again in Spirit Tracks.
@@Howitchewstofeel5gum The Opening of WW says that Hyrule was flooded because the hero failed to be reappear, so Wind Waker Link is a new Hero who needed to gain the Goddesses' recognition we the new Hero (like Skyward Sword Link did to become the first hero), unlike TP Link from the timeline where the original Hero's Soul remained, who was born with the Triforce of Courage and was immediately recognized as the Hero but the Light Spirits.
Not to mention that the Shade of the Hero of Time appeared in TP to train his descendant/reincarnation and bemoaned the fact that no one remembers his Hero of Time heroics, but he never appeared in the WW timeline (though in all fairness, that could also be retroactively explained by his heroics actually being remembered in that timeline).
OTOH, Ganondorf claims to have recognized WW Link as the Hero of Time reborn, but that could be a figure of speech since he only met the guy for a few minutes over a hundred years ago and doesn't really have any way of recognizing so up ls that I'm aware of, so it's probably more reasonable from his perspective to think that the blonde twink with the Master Sword, Triforce of Courage, and doofy hat was a matter of reincarnation rather than a cosplay that got wildly out of hand.
I always found it funny that the Triforce decided the wisest person in all the land was an 11 year old nepobaby who never leaves her castle.
We could also talk about Bravely default. Just remember Airy lies…
When I first played Link's Awakening back on the Game Boy Colour, I spent the whole game expecting that there'd be some get-out clause to spare Koholint.
Nope!
Feel like Bravely Default should be brought up here. Ah man Airy's wings were so subtly and wonderfully done
the f*airy* f*lies*
... wait, why didn't the formatting work?
Speaking of nightmares, Kirby in the original Kirby's Adventure. Turns out King Dedede had a good reason for....doing whatever he did.
He took the Star Rod from the Fountain of Dreams, broke it into pieces, and gave a piece to each of his major underlings.
True, but in Kirby's Dream Land, Dedede stole all of the food in Dream Land. Dedede may have had a good reason for what he did in Adventure, but he didn't for Dream Land.
@@enforcerridley158Dreamland happens before Adventure/ Nightmare. So, Dedede probably thought "you know, maybe i should do something to help my people"
Then here comes Kirby, Jolly as ever:
Also that time Meta Knight was trying to stop some ancient evil from escaping its magical prison, before Kirby beat him up and opened said prison in search of cake
@@aardbei54 In Kirby's defense, Laroach stole his cake and put in a treasure chest identical to the one that the ancient evil was sealed in, then somehow switched the two chests.
1. Makes sense, I've heard Chris Redfield is trained in Special Oops...
Roxas in 358/2 Days. He ends up helping the organization collect hearts so they can build their fake Kingdom Hearts.
One example I can think of is the protagonist of Divinity II, if you just play the base game (Ego Draconis) without the expansion (Flames of Vengeance). I remember when I first played, I saw the ending, was rather confused, then reloaded my last save and redid the final encounter in case I'd missed something/made a mistake in thelast dialogue. Nope, ending's the same either way. At least you get to undo the damage (eventually) in the expansion.
I feel like the Belmonts from Castlevania could stand to be scrutinized. Remember the one that sought revenge and created Dracula? Or the one that resurrected Dracula just to kill him again? How the one that became Dracula in an alter timeline?
To be fair Leon wanted to rescue his loved one from another vampire, and while that was exactly what his 'friend' wanted to get the power to become Dracula, it also helped created the very same whip that would become Dracula's bane, and Simon wanted to get rid of a curse that Dracula casted on him, and that guaranteed there would be still someone to keep Dracula away;
But yeah Gabriel has no excuse, and he screwed up a lot
Hey the second one got his balls cursed by Dracula, at least he killed him again
"Sub Zero may not breathe fire, but at least he didn't screwed Earthrrealm this badly" who gonna tell Andy it was Sub Zero who recovered Shinnok's amulet for Quan Chi in the original timeline?
Yeah, he kinda missed that part...
That was Bi Han, not Kuai Liang.
@@marckempe2143 yeah but the Sub Zero on MK1 is Bi Han
He was probably talking about Kuai Liang.
If link is guilty of killing hundreds when he wakes up the fish then we are all just as guilty of killing millions every time we get up in the morning.
Kiryu probably belongs somewhere on this list, ditching his chairman position almost immediately, naming an eventual traitor to succeed him, then nominating Daigo for the role instead only to abandon him to to clean up all the messes alone and then having the GALL to criticize him when he couldn't clean up said messes. Not to mention all the emotional trauma he's caused his adoptive daughter, and multiple people that would 100% still be alive if they'd never met him.
I'm sure there's more I've only played 2-6 once through so I don't remember them very vividly.
In RE Village, Chris don't tell Ethan because actually he wasn't sure Mia was Miranda for sure.
As Ethan refuses to stop he starts thinking Miranda has transformed in to ethan
guys you forgot that Egad also pretended that Luigi was his first choice in the dark moon game , but he had in fact, called Mario first and sent him in, leading to Mario's captor. And he never even apologies for it, the jerk. XD
Immediately thought of Logan from Fable 3. He faced the Crawler but then was like nope the only way I can build enough money to save my kingdom is be a tyrant by leaving the people who saved me defenseless & making the citzens of my kingdom miserable. Yet despite this brilliant plan of his he still only managed to get around 200,000 gold for the treasury. Meanwhile my protagonist managed to save the kingdom by working a job, owning some buildings & houses, & donating treasures, then dumping all of that income into the treasury. All the while keeping every promise & not becoming a tyrant
Shattered Dimensions was such a fun game.
Sucks that it's also a victim of licensing hell.
I'm convinced that professor e gadd is the true villain of Luigis adventures.
ok I've gotta go finish metroid prime remastered now omg!! I was having such a blast with it but I got distracted and now I have to play BG3 for the next three years ^.^
thanks for another great video!! I think the hunter in bloodborne fits the bill tbh, obviously things aren't going very well in Yharnam to begin with but killing the one thing holding back the maximum horrors is a pretty big oops ^.^
also hearing Andy mention Mario Sunshine without a snarky aside was genuinely startling ^.^ correct choice to make him read that script!
You really need to read through the log book entries to understand the game... something the writer did not do for this video... and need to at least play metroid prime 3 to understand the bigger picture.... it is an amazing game, though! Enjoy!
One thing you missed about the Metroid Prime entry is that the "Worm" is in fact Metroid Prime, namesake of the Prime series.
Isn't the Metroid Prime supposed to be a native of Tallon IV that was mutated by the Phazon? I thought the Worm referred to the Leviathan Seed inside the meteorite, like the ones from Norion, Bryyo, and Elysia
what about the hero of Kirkwall in dragon age 2? kinda set up the whole war-torn, rebellion-filled borderline apocalyptic world in inquisition.
that being said, one of my favourite moments in any video game I've ever played was when my spirit / demon possessed wizard boyfriend blew up religion, 10 / 10, great game
To be fair, you don’t have to help Anders. You can say no and leave Hawke completely innocent.
@dagothurik1815 that's a good point, but, unless I'm wrong, don't they blame the default Hawke for the Mage / Templar War in Inquistion?
@@Evi_29 They blame hawke but in this context it’s more of a guilt by association thing. You knew Anders felt strongly about the circle. You knew he was possessed by and losing control over justice/vengeance but did nothing. Hawke was getting blamed either way.
I don't know if it counts, but in Dragon Age 2, Varric Tethras and his brother get the Champion of Kirkwall to help fund and protect an expedition into the Deep Roads, recovering the Red Lyrium Idol and accidentally corrupting the Knight Captain once they sell it, pushing further tensions onto the mages and templars. Then, Anders serves as the catalyst and starts the war between the two. So if anything, the Champion of Kirkwall is pretty much fully responsible for the mage-templar war, even though they only wanted to give their family a better life after escaping the Blight in Fereldan.
I never thought I'd see Spiderman and Sonic have something in common. Now I do know. They both destroyed an Unknown Mystical Artifact and shattered reality.
I'm surprised that Nier from, well, NieR isn't on the list. Going through, killing dozens upon dozens of shades, the incident with the twins, and killing the Shadowlord. Which is the worst thing he could have possibly done
Considering the topic of the video, Devola and Poppola should be the ones featured.
Look how Ethan isn't the member of the list, but Chris.
The twins encouraged him to go against the Shadow Lord, to defeat shades, etc
I...I was not expecting to see Scorpion pounding on Quan Chi like a high schooler that just got into an argument with their best friend...*and* it included the passive commentary from the nearby crowd, too? Comedy *gold*.
At least Samus didn't blow up Tallon IV. With having Alderaaned Zebes, SR-388, Dark Aether, Phaaze (technically a planet sized sentient ball of radioactive fungus or something), and ZDR, it's a miracle at this point if she leaves a largely uninhabited planet mostly unscathed.
Samus has destroyed more lives than all of Communism at this point.
Dark Aether kinda collapsed in on itself after the light Aether was restored, and there was no life on SR-388 or Phaaze left that wasn't a threat to the entire galaxy. And Zebes was technically on MB. Maybe Samus is just very unlucky
Yeah, clearly that's her fault that every one of these monsters that are a threat to the entire galaxy are the support beam for these planets.
She needs to be locked up for her crimes, so all the other galaxy-ending threats can just kill everything without any resistance.
Well, I can think of no better example than Rean Schwarzer from the Trails of Cold Steel series. Despite his being a good guy to a fault (to the point where people are mocking him for being too altruistic), he ends up making a huge mess of things thanks to a mix between immaturity and self-sacrifice (and, to be fair, his desire to avoid bloodshed). In the second and third game, he is constantly making things worse, to the point that (trying to avoid major spoilers here), everyone ends up working for the bad guys because his actions left them no other choice.
Andy's evil energy was seeping towards the last few seconds of this video
I’m gonna go with I actually helped bring civilization to the borderlands. Most of the time you’re killing bandits or faceless corporate oppressors. The people who live there flock to you for safety and friendship
The protagonist of pirate101, we literally start a war just to get 2 people out of a prison. Sure we do eventually help one of the sides but we DID also get to see what we did to that side.
The Diablo 1 warrior should be mentioned as well, such a brilliant idea to try and contain a prime evil in his own body and have it lead to the ongoing events of the series.
It's like the One Ring, the soul of Diablo corrupts everything. The red soulstone whispers into the Warrior when he picks it up after he defeats Diablo in Diablo 1. He couldn't resist it.
Glad to see Link's Awakening on this list. I love Producer Jon's playthrough of the game on Oxtra and Luke and Ellen coming to the realization that Link isn't the hero in that game.
I almost mentioned our character in the Souls games and Bloodborne, but our character is never a hero. They're just some random nobody getting roped into doing stuff. Some of it good, some of it bad, but we're still not a hero. We're just someone who can't keep their hands to themself (touching a "corpse", touching a broken egg, touching a skull, etc etc).
A corpse should be left well enough alone.
@@ASpooneyBard Precisely. Our Unkindled One also touched that egg which ended that time stop and made us fast forward to the end of the world. I've lost track of how much crap our characters have caused in FromSoftware games by touching stuff we shouldn't.
What no kratos. He basically destroyed his world.
I'd hardly call Kratos a 'hero'. He was going after the gods for single-minded revenge. He's a monster who knowingly and willingly doomed everyone.
Tomb Raider 4 happened entirely because Lara felt the need to disturb Set’s crypt.
Somehow I didn't anticipate the Legend of Zelda franchise going in the Lovecraftian cosmic horror direction, and yet here we are
E. Gadd also caused Mario Sunshine, by inventing the brush used to muck everything up.
He also invented FLUDD, but that makes him neutral at best.
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"most powerful mystic artifact in the world"
*gets shattered by a single punch*
(yes it's a spiderman punch but still)
Dust in Figment 2: Creed Valley. Wanting to do things his way deciding it's best to capture the Jester that's running amok. Dusty's attempt at catching the Jester makes things go from bad to worse as the Jester snaps and really starts causing havoc.
Are we not gonna talk about how Kirby was duped into kicking dragon but to get Magalor a crown of ultimate power in Return to Dreamland?
Could argue Isaac mucked things up in Dead Space, but of course he had some helpers
Pit and Palutena from Kid Icarys Uprising. After attacking and destroying the Lunar Sanctum that belonged to Viridi, they let out the Chaos Kin which, a couple chapters down the road, causes a lot of... not so nice things to happen.
Ok but that's more on either Viridi or Arlon. Either one of them could have taken like two seconds to explain what the Lunar Sanctum was for. They literally asked Arlon multiple times over the course of the level but he refused to tell them, and it is conveniently the *only* level where Viridi can't just find you whenever the hell she feels like. If Arlon was not allowed to talk, he could've contacted Viridi, who could tell them or tell Arlon he can talk. And there *was* a big fuck off space laser on the lunar sanctum that Palutena was rightly worried about. Palutena did her due dilligence. Just like the RE8 example isn't on Ethan, this one should not be on Palutena or Pit.
This wouldn’t be the only time Samus endangered the galaxy. In Metroid ii: Return of Samus and Metroid: Samus Returns, she is given the task of killing all metroids in existence by the Galactic Federation. Only for it to turn out that metroids actually exist for a reason and are the only thing keeping the X Parasite under control.
Also, that time in Prince of Persia where the Prince re-releases Ahriman.
Andy's closing remarks on this video are begging for the "villain edit"
What about teyrn Loghain from Dragon Age: Origins? He was a hero during the war with Orlais, one of king's closest friends but betrayed king's son and Grey Wardens only because he thought he would be a better leader, causing a chain of events that almost destroyed the whole Ferelden.
It's still unclear to this day weither or not Logain's charge would have changed the outcome of the battle.
Of course we have to take him at his word but he does mention when you recruit him that he believed that him charging would have lead everyone to die.
@@UnPokemon Cailan was a fucking idiot who learned strategy from fairy tales, but in that case, Loghain should've just said "no" and order his army to leave Ostagar. It might've been treated like a treason, but Loghain had many followers regarding him as a hero and a true leader, so it might've scared Cailan who would be forced to wait for Orlais. If Darkspawn attacked, maybe Duncan would be able to convince the king that they should back off and secure nearby terrains. Settlements like Lothering might've fallen much later and people might've been able to seek refuge in fortified cities. Also, I don't think Loghain saved anyone ordering the poisoning of arl Eamon or allowing arl Howe to slaughter a whole city. He definitely had good intentions but very bad means for saving Ferelden. Allowing him to repent by killing the Archdemon is probably the best ending for him.
Arguably, in Darkest Dungeon 2 you caused the apocalypse and worked with the Ancestor, the villain who ruined everything in Darkest Dungeon.
The fact that somewhere down the storyline Chris redfield abandoned the BSAA and became a member of the umbrella counter F up group is still the unknown for me (if nobody believes me check what's written on his health syringes)
10:33 "I think this is the ending to Lost isn't it ?" Oh that fecking got me good 😂
Chris is so manly that he doesn't have to explain himself... even if it would have been extremely easy/convenient to do so. Sort of like Snake in Metal Gear Solid.
If there is a Part 2 to this list, I'd add Ajay Ghale from 'Far Cry 4'. Putting either leader of the 'Golden Path' in charge of Kyrat only makes things worse for its people. Turns out, the best thing Ajay can do for Kyrat is to just sit, and enjoy the crab rangoon.
Here’s one: The protagonist of Doki Doki Literature Club ruined everything just by showing up. We even see how things would have gone if they hadn’t shown up in the side stories, and everything’s chill.
While Samus should definitely have been more careful to avoid getting her Phazon Suit stolen, she still had no choice but to undo the Chozo Artifact seal and kill the "Worm". A few of the Space Pirate Data scans indicate that they already found the creature through their excavations and outfitted its exoskeleton with weaponry. Had she left the planet alone, it would have been just a matter of time before it could leave and cause havoc on its own... possibly under the Space Pirates' direct control even.
Although Dark Samus being more powerful than any of the creature's previous forms is definitely a regretable mistake, Samus' decision wasn't wrong.
Squeleton? Is that pompous or a misspelling?
@@blakecacini8016 A product of English not being my first language actually... My bad!
@@LonesomeDevil ok, was misspelling, thank you.
there's also the chozo themselves predicting and even hoping she WOULD show up and fight the Worm™
She did indirectly cause the deaths of her friends in Prime 3, though.
I think the "worm" was referring to the Phazon Leviathan that enthralled and mutated the Metroid Prime (aka the spider thing).
This is unrelated, but wouldn’t it be cool to have something called Vault Hunters in Fallout? Like a combination of archivists and scavengers who hunt down Vaults to record the atrocities there as they grab anything they can use/sell.
Chronos: Before the Ashes. You're trying to stop the evil alien plant that's infesting the Earth, so you spend the entire game killing what turn out to be otherwordly guardians preventing the evil alien plant from infesting other worlds. Then you get possessed and end up as the next game's final boss.
I feel like the high chaos path from both of the Dishonored games belongs here...
I remember back when Shattered Dimensions first came out. I wanted to play it so bad but didn't get it for Christmas like I hoped.