Grom, Monkey, Super Cub, Metropolitan, PCX, Trail, Ruckus, ADV150 - Best Mini Moto Comparison Test
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Rode the Honda Navi as well as the Grom, Monkey, Super Cub, Metropolitan and PCX. Unfortunately the Honda Trail 125, ADV 150 and Ruckus were not available.
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This is a great video but it has one problem: it made me want them all lol
Ha! Thanks! I have to stop myself too. It's a good thing that the Trail 125 is not offered in Canada because it would be severely tempting.
@@DifferentSpokesTV the Monkey can be non ABS with the pull of a single fuse.
Exactly what I was thinking.
The Trail is unofficially known and only ever referred to as a “Postie Bike” in Australia as postal workers have used them historically here
In the states the "postie bike" of yore was a Mail Jeep. A sliding door, right hand drive, two wheel drive, based on the AMC Jeep
@@MostlyInteresting The more rural mail carriers still use jeeps as they are one of the few cars that are sold right hand drive new.
The old Postie Bikes are very different from the Trail 125. You have 4 high gears, and 4 low gears, which gets you out of any mess - even rock climbing. The little 90cc has the same top speed as the 125. The bigger 110 is faster than the 125.
Yes, and postie bikes in Australia became ridiculously expensive, considering they were used bikes purchased at ex government auctions. But, when you know that the most common postie bike, then the later models was called, you realize there is no difference to the Honda trail. They are CT90, CT110 or CT125.
Check out this neat little motorcycle
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Ha ha! My local dealer just found out today they were receiving a new Trail 125 in a few weeks. As luck would have it I was picking up an oil filter for my bike today and was the very first customer to hear this wonderful news. Seconds later the down payment was paid and my wife was thrilled with the news! We now look forward to many trail riding adventures next summer. Sometimes less is indeed more. :)
Congrats! I just got one a few weeks back. Drove 7 hours to get it and it was totally worth it. I know someone who’s trying to get one and dealers in Georgia and Florida are saying they won’t have them until Spring to even Fall of 2022.
What was the total price? Including "adm" and "doc" "fee".
Sweet! You just won the Trail lottery. Congratulations! What a great way way to introduce someone to trail riding.
I have a 2022 Grom with abs, and it's only on the front wheel. Locking up the back wheel still works. I love this thing!
I weigh 230 will the Grom have enough power. Thanks
@@jameswarwick5591 yes! I'm 210 without gear.
yep, ABS only front,,,
Add 1500
We have a 2021 Super Cub. It is stunning in its build quality, Honda took special pride in putting the Super Cub together. It is such a joy to ride, the smile factor is huge. I love my Yamaha MT-07 for the overall performance but our Super Cub is the gem in our garage.
Nice combination!
Do you feel like with slight modifications you could take the super cub on gravel roads?
@@raul-qi6xp yes, the Super Cub is capable of being ridden on well graded gravel roads. I have ridden our Super Cub on gravel alleys in our neighborhood. As long as the road is not too rutted or washed out and the surface is fairly dry the Super Cub will do fine. Heavier ruts, washboard, rock filled washes or mud would overwhelm the suspension and very street oriented tires.
@@stephaniemusick171 thanks for the info
What is the maintenance like on it compared to a scooter or a mini-moto like the grom?
I love the old ad footage being included.
The Super Cub is used for postal delivery here in Australia. A handlebar bag, and two panniers, full of mail, and it's perfect for riding on the footpath delivering mail to each house.
Not really, look it up.
Thrilled with my mini moto, I enjoy my 2021 Monkey more and more each day!
Thanks for arranging such a good selection of bikes for this great video!
When I was 10 years old, back in '71, I drove my old man crazy for a Honda Monkey. I've had many, mainly dual-purpose bikes ever since and despite the emotional attraction to the Monkey and Trail 125, I can't see the practicality in them vs e.g. a Honda XR150. I paid the equivalent of US $1K for a low km 2015 model that I use for daily commuting, providing motorcycle training lessons (which has virtually paid for the bike itself) as well as joining friends on not too distant adventure bike rides.
Maybe they're not available in the States/Canada as they are here in S.Africa?
Did a 1000 mile 4 day trip through Europe on the predecessor of the SuperCub (a Wave110i). Was great ! On the backroads through the Black forest, Eifel, Vosges and Ardenne mountains...
That’s awesome!
The wave is not the predecessor of the supercub, but yeah they are fun. Its the scooter of choice where i usually live though and is still sold new, next to the supercub.
I love how Honda has a complete line and you used Honda as the control. Love it!
I wanted a Monkey back in the 70s when I was a kid & it's still my favorite...now that I buy my own vehicles, I'll eventually wind up with one...
I'm 75 and still riding my old Harley's and enjoy them. But I have a 1949 Cushman motor scooter I bought in 1960 when I was 14. I still ride it from time to time and it gives me that "giggle factor", so I understand what your saying.
Wow, cool! Thanks for sharing!
I own several motorcycles but my PCX is the most fun to ride in town. It just works! Great review here.
A great shootout 👍 Thank you. Back in the 70s and 80s I had several small motorcycles including Kawasaki G3 90 and G4 100, Yamaha DT100 and Suzuki DS80. The best one was the G4 because it was equally happy on the street and trail with its dual range gearbox. But my favourite was my Honda S90 because the 4 stroke engine just sounded so much more civilized than the buzzing 2 strokes, and the red sculptured frame looked like a work of art. Cheers from Canada :-)
I started out on a Z50 Mini Trail back in '68 or '69, and I would love to have the Monkey Bike, although the Trail 125 would be a lot of fun too.
I’m not a scooter guy but the pcx looks cool to me, but I do like how scooters have the storage space.
I picked up a Super Cub a little more than a month ago. I had never ridden a moto and it was so simple. It's such a fun machine to run errands on
Is it scary to ride on a wet road, those tires look super skinny and the brakes don't look too strong?
@@johncollins5552 Riding anything with two wheels on a wet surface is a dicey ball game I won't play. Idk how to respond to the tire point. I hit pot holes all day and have taken mine on off-road trails. Not a problem! I have had multiple near accidents with drivers swerving into my lane while on their phones. I haven't had any issues with the brakes. Again, not a motorcycle guy so I can't speak on specifics but happy to share my perspective. I am quickly approaching 1000 miles
Love the Navi thats maybe the SMARTEST idea for a company i have seen yet. The grom has had clones since the beginning and the biggest seller is the icebear frz which is a cvt motor. Honda actually cloned the clone selling it at almost the same price but better name and parts love ot
Nice review. Great fun these little bikes.
Thanks! 👍
I have the 2021 PCX I love it!
I love both the Navi and the Grom, the extra storage of the Navi seems nice but the manual transmission of the Grom seems like so much fun. Not sure which I want more
My heart is for the Monkey, can't beat the cuteness. Scooter wise, we have a 2106 PCX150, enjoy it immensely! It easily cruises at 55 and tops out at 62mph. I think I read somewhere that it was governed to that. Maybe the newer ones are not? and can reach 70 as you say. As far as your comment about the wheels, it has 14" front and rear, which is as large as most all Maxi Scooters. They are narrower but I love they way it handles. I have owned a Majesty 400, Burgman 650, Kymco Downtown 300, Kymco People 300. The people 300 had 16" wheels handled most like a motorcycle and lots of low and mid range power, also topped out about 87 mph. The Maxi scooters are so wide and bulky and heavy (Burgman 650 0ver 600 pounds!) The People gt300i was my favorite. But for around town (under 55mph) the PCX150 is the best.
Thank you for your work !
Reluctantly, I've come to want a PCX.
I have a Monkey and it's been the coolest little bike I ever had,it draws a crowd,fun to ride,and when you put a smaller sprocket on the engine side they actually go faster.
Yeah, the top gear might be an overdrive. Thanks for sharing.
I've had mine up to 78 with intake exhaust and computer reflash
I have the Honda ADV 150 it’s great bike 🏍 handles extremely well can go off road np and had has pretty good power…14.5 HP - 73mph…Lots of storage and handles two people a 👌🏻 I love it.
Thanks for sharing. Yes, that one is my favourite scoot. The off roading is the key.
Nice! I’m holding out hope for the ADV 160 Touring edition.
I agree. I love mine too. The only thing is that neither of my full face helmets fit under the seat and allow the seat to close. The ride is great; the suspension is the best on any scooter I have ever ridden, and of course the "just enough" off road capability for my purposes sealed the deal. When I found a shop that had one, I bought it on the spot. These last maybe 2 days on the floor. I was happy to find one and especially now with gas prices, I am averging 93 miles per gallon on it. It is a fantastic commuter!
I have both the Metro and the Super Cub and would like to get a PCX or ADV150 someday. Enjoyed your comparisons!
Thanks for watching!
What a gem of a video.
Great video, thanks for doing this comparison, I’m trying to decide which one to buy and this was very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
If being comfortable and wanted to ride for a long.period you'll love the monkey... And if it's too slow put a kit in it. I've got a 186 it'll go 65-plus
This is a realy good review, just subscribed
Thanks so much for including the Info pertinent to Canadians. Much appreciated!
In the spring I picked up a 2013 PCX in like new condition with only 1600 miles on it. Not a scratch. Years parked in a garage. Spent small money on it. Had a total blast. Can't wait for spring to come around again. Some days I'd put hundreds of miles on it. Love those little bikes.
Love it! That bike is a sweet, all around capable ride.
I had a 2012. Great bike. I'm in the UK so mine was a 125. The best things about it were the handling and the acceleration in town. Left anything in the dust away from the lights.
@@ewganhoff Lots of 40 mph twisty rural roads where I live so it's perfect. Having more fun on it than I did on my KZ-900
My pcx could never reach 70.
60 if you hunker down.
@@dudleyhaines9826 Top end seems to vary by machine a fair bit. With such a small bike wind makes a huge difference. I hit 60 all the time without trying. 70 happens but only under the right conditions.
Interesting review. Thanks. I reckon the Pcx looks out of place here but as others have said it is faster and more practical. I am undecided if I would be happy riding one long term as the Grom looks the coolest.
For longer rides and riding in traffic, the PCX is less tiring than "real" motorcycles at least here in Asia. I had a friend who had a Yamaha YZF-R15 (150 cc) "sport" bike. He sold it after 1 year and got a Honda PCX as the PCX is more comfortable to ride and easier to weave in and out of city traffic. The R15 looked a lot cooler but the PCX is a better daily driver and is still quite quick around the city.
Having said that, I want a Rebel 450 hehehe
"The Monkey's mini-ape handlebar ... but will also make this bike easier to wheelie and ACT-THE-FOOL on". My favorite line in this video. Seriously, though, it is good to get an idea how these mini-moto's compare to each other since test rides are virtually impossible in my area.
Been teaching my girls about riding. I bought a few Ruckus’s and living on the north side of Oahu they are perfect.
Nice and great video, thanks
Great vid thanks! Trying to decide twix Grom and Cub , everything helps!
Very good and informative video. Keep up the good work. Stay Safe
Excellent video!!
The navi looks cool
I own a 2021 Trail CT125 and love it!
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
Love tiny Honda bikes. I have a 2022 Monkey and I love it. It is smaller than my XSR900 or my SV650, but smaller does not mean worse. Build quality is superb and fuel consumption extravagant.
There is a whole world of models in the 100-150cc range in southeast Asia. The Honda scoopy for instance is a 110cc version of the Metropolitan. And outside of scooters, the toe heel shifter is standard here. Check for instance the Honda XRM and Wave, which are kinde of workhorse versions of the trail and super cub. In the Philippines alone there must be millions of them driving around.
Yeah, we sometimes forget how many models are out there that we never see in North America.
Thank's for the great video! I'm going to get either the Honda 125 Trail (1st choice) or the Grom.
Honda CT125 all the way! Go for it!
Glad I could help! They're very different bikes but each has its advantages.
Excellent tutorial 👌.
When I was having some issues with my 1998 TOYOTA 4RUNNERa friend of mine mentioned the HONDA NAVI.
I checked out one UA-cam video and drove straight to the HONDA Dealership. The was only one in the showroom. After about 6 minutes, I said "I'll take it". Glad I did too. After taking the HARLEY DAVIDSON course a few years back, and decided that the weight and power be be too much for me, a beginner.
The NAVI is just right for a beginner. I'm getting accustomed to all the ways of the road, including lock & unlock proceedings. It's a blast to ride, I get plenty of thumbs-up and smiles from the kids. :)
On another note:
I loved everything about this video, from the depth, breadth and brevity to the concise use of language; including "pucker" and "act a fool".
Good job.
Ive owned a 125cc Honda scooter and a 250cc piaggio mp3 as well as a handful of larger motorcycles. I love the feel of small scooters and honestly I think the Grom gets all the love because it's the most small-scooter feel of the motorcycle range (as scooters just aren't cool to many).
brilliant, I want the super cub for looks alone, but like the idea of the navi displacement for 45mph speed limit roads I commute on to work and local errands. My yamaha c3 only just makes it work but driving using my mirrors with the 4 lane roads I travel on.
I got the adv the extra suspension travel makes a huge difference in how it rides.
Ruckus to me is fun because it’s just different. Plus the old school round glass headlights and incandescent bulbs just pull it off.
I own a 2022 grey super cub. The build quality is top notch for a 125. I assume Honda went the extra mile , with it being the best selling vehicle of all time.
yep, super cub best selling globally, obviously not in canada 😀
I can't wait to get a Super Cub! Literally get a license so I can drive one!
I dig those little bikes. I was looking at a Monkey just to have one and ride now and then or the CT for backroading but I cant get over how Honda Australia wants nearly 7-8K for them. 30% nostalgia tax.
I own the Honda PCX 125 in Europe and it is an absolute blast! I als ride a Yamaha MT 07 and both have their purposes but I notice that is so easy to hop on the PCX that I perfer to ride it in the city for most quick rides such as commuting and groceries. Love it! I also have a couple of time lapses with the Honda PCX on my channel for the ones who are interested. More to come. Have a good one!
Great video. I think I'd take the Monkey out if this group, just because it looks so cool.
I have 5 motorcycles, including an R1200GS, Harley XR1200X, Ducati 999S, KTM 690 Enduro, a Suzuki SV1000S, and a couple of Piaggio Fly 150s, and guess which gets the most use on short hops?
I'll tell you, riding a slow bike fast is more fun than riding a fast bike slow..... scoots are hilarious fun.
I test rode an Aprilia Scarabeo 200, and honestly, it was quick enough that it was almost a motorcycle...... believe it or not, it took a lot of the fun away. At 285 lbs I'm too heavy for a 50 to be fun though.
That's an awesome collection of bikes. Yes, the extra power of big bikes is fun too, but there is something to be said about being able to ride wide open all the time and not worrying about the bike getting away from you.
Thrilled with my mini moto, I enjoy my Monkey more and more each day!
That’s a awesome garage full of weak wittle baby beginer girls bikes! You got a amazing husband buying you all those!
Subscribed because you included us Canadian specs/costs. Cheers!
Reminds me of my first mini bike nearly fifty years ago. A Honda 50! 🎉.
Good review. Thanks. Balanced reviews. CT 125 is good choice. Navi is a great deal, esp for Honda quality. Hard to beat Navi for quality/price.
Excellent video. Thank you so much.
For the moment I'm happy commuting to work on a SuperCub 50, certainly the Covid economy made me happy I no longer had to fuel a CB9. I'll move back up again later.
Yep, it's good to have cheap transportation, especially when you want to avoid public transit.
My dad gave us a Honda trail 50 that we kids got to use for 1 yr. each. After that it was up to us if we still wanted to keep riding. Bought my CL90 at 9.
I went from a tricked-out fxdb to a super cub. I'm loving it as I live in a rural area and the roads aren't great, so cruising at 45 is just right the fxdb was too fast and too hard to handle. The only thing I miss that hd rumble. 67 and 2 wheels forever.
I just got a 2022 grom, my wife love it
Great content from a Canadian creator. Keep up the great work. Hello from Barrys Bay!
Thanks! Hello back from the same area. Love the Moose 106.5.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Your review and Ryan's at FortNine really helped me make the decision to get my T7! I always look forward to your content. All the best.
I love my Grom
Im 6'4 and own two Honda Monkeys. No problem riding it and I do get asked about them. every single time I ride.
Great video, thanks 👍
No problem 👍
I had a 1979 Super Cub. I had a custom paint job and upholstery. It turned heads wherever I went.
I was so sad when I sold it, useful city commuter.
Very cool! So many people have those stories.
SO true ^^ I went from a Yamaha R6, to a 50cc Wolf RX50, and I hate admitting it, but the 50cc is more fun, more often(it will absolutely go 50mph, eventually, and I'm 6'1" 180lbs) AND get 100 mpg ^^. There's just something so cool about going balls out all the time, anywhere on something so light, and small you kind park it in your house. On my way to a Grom, but I'm not paying the stupid prices they're catching right now, I'll wait, keep my tiny grins on the little Wolf :)
I rented a NaVi in India and since then I want to buy one, I hope Honda Israel will finally bring it in 2022
I want the ruck in white and blue badly, it is probably one of the best 50cc bikes ever made.
i have the ruckus, great city and country road (occasional) traffic. i have ct 125, mostly a garage poser and rides great. i have a order in for navi as more a ruckus on a gym program. my daily drive and awesome is a yamaha zuma 125. zuma's flat floor board step thru is quick, handy and room for a work bag or 18 pack grocery run.
Very nice! You'll like the Navi's extra power over the Ruckus.
You ought to consider trading the Zuma in on a PCX. The PCX is an awesome scooter!
Never ridden a bike. Never really wanted to. But looking at the Grom and Navi, and their price tag...it's getting _very_ tempting.
Would like to see the Trail 125 offered with the new monkey engine with the 5 speed manual trans and the oil filter.
As an older rider that would probably send me to the dealer to put my name on one.
great job
I have big motorcycles but am picking up a new Yamaha Zuma 125 tomorrow. It is similar to an adv scooter and my local dealer just got it and he only had one of them so I went down and put a deposit on it. I'll be riding forest roads on it and I like that the engine isn't behind the front wheel and getting bombarded with dirt and stones and I like the enclosed cvt drive system.
I have owned MANY Honda Metro's with thousands of miles under me and I never once considered "hugging the tank" or "having pegs" as an feature that I wanted... simply put, I never noticed. I just keep throwing groceries on the thing and go.... Although now that you mention it... I think its time to upgrade!
Though it'd be nice if they offered higher cc versions of it, because let's be honest, its the classiest looking scooter in the whole video.
The super cub and monkey seem like they where built with special pride. The Grom was built for fun. I think the new Navi will be the bike to get everyone into riding. I have a heavily modded Grom. I want a Navi to set up as a trail bike and campground cruiser.
If i was going for a small cc prsctical daily driver bike, i'd go for a PCX. If i wanted a "fun" bike, i'd get a full size motorcycle with at least 200 cc.
Do you think a grom with knobby tires would be better than a navi with knobbies as a trail bike? Super experience rider here, especially offroad. Looking to get a mini tourer/commuter/mini trail bike.
The grom would be my first choice then the Navi with that ridiculous low price..as a matter of fact the Navi is my first choice before buying another ebike well for me of course..btw great video too
My 2022 grom is amazing we have a good size group where I live
nice review
Thank you! Cheers!
Honda took a long time to bring the Navi to the US, so its not like they didn't have the time to make a US specific version. Which should have been based on the Metro drive train, to make it more in tune with the USA landscape. Getting from the residential areas to the city centers or to industrial parks nearly always involves some high speed multi lane roads. But then it would have nipped the Super Cub, which is not fast enough to keep up with traffic either. It would be nice to have the Navi, Metro and ADV150 with the same drive train and be able to choose based on function. What you have here in the US the way the lay of the land is and the licensing goes. Is a hole between 50cc no license, and bikes that are useful all around transport. And a 125 two valve is not enough, a 150 4 valve that will do 70 mph on the flat and maintain 55 up hills is enough. Those in the middle are relegated to limited use cases more as toys. Not really a bad thing, but it leaves out these as all around cheap transport in the states.
I've done plenty of multi-lane, 70mph-limit riding on 50mph and below bikes and scooters and never had much of a problem. You just need to keep an eye on your mirrors. (Not that anyone ever tried to rear end me)
Cod-jer. And yes I do.
Motorcycle companies have introduced tons of various sized scoots here in the states over the years and they don't sell well. I get what you're saying, and I agree in spirit, but business is business, and until Americans embrace scooters it'll continue to be a sparse market. Even with traditional big bikes they are more recreational than daily commuter, 2nd vehicles at best. To think Honda or any other maker will shower us with the same scooter options as Eurooe or Asia is just wishful thinking.
@@willyjimmy8881 Well we don't need all of them. The only ones that make sense for the US conditions are under 50CC for the no license bicycle replacements and 150 -200 range for the urban to rural road speeds. Nothing in the middle makes sense really.
awesome
@8:07 they put a heel toe shifter on them because there are millions of them in Asia and everybody wear flip-flops so it's easier to shift. Nowadays the full matic scooters like pcx become more popular. The pcx and adv 150 (off road pcx) cost around $2500, the monkey $5500 and the supercup125 $5000
I have a grom and a monkey, and your comparrison is correct. Its a bit slower, looks better, and is way more comfortable. That being said the grom is more fun.
Yeah, for the road I'd go with the Grom. I'd get the Monkey id I went off road a lot, but in that case I'd get a KLX230 for almost the same price.
Different Spokes TV please explain why you think Monkey has an edge off road vs Grom. Thank you
@@motosporttouring better suspension, better seat, better cushier tires would be my guess.
the monkey is usually faster when its the same year to year with the grom, tire size I think gives them a slight top end advantage. They didn't want to get into specs here in this vid but it matters, they had a 2022 grom and then had a 2021 and older monkey, it makes a difference and was why the grom was faster. Now if that had been a 2022 monkey, it would have been faster. specs matter folks, the 2022's not only have been re-geared lower in 1st and with a additional 5th higher gear, but also in rear sprocket and have about 1 hp more over the older ones. there is quite a list of improvements on the 2022 models vs the older ones more then those few I gave.
Monkey every time. In the UK, because of licensing laws The Grom is usually ridden (mostly badly) by young kids who are waiting to drive a car or larger motorcycle. Whereas The Monkey is loved for the retro cool that it is. I'd love to try the CT125 trail, but not available in UK at this point.
Love my Ruckus. Debating if I should sell it and get a Navi.
Monkey in the video is the 4 speed model has the older colour scheme ( newer models now come with a black frame ) the latest 5 speed version also has removable oil filter 👍
Just put 3000 miles on a PCX in 2 months. Love the fuel economy and handling g of this 150cc machine.
NA Navi racing league incoming... :)
Love my Pcx 160.
i have a 1982 honda mb-5 i wish they would do a reboot of that cool bike.
Picked up a old Honda frame and put a lifan bang shift engine in it. The rear sprocket on the wheel was actually a smaller sprocket with a larger sprocket ring bolted to it. Ended up running the smaller sprocket even after changing to a larger sprocket on the engine. Could do 45 all day. The lifan was 149cc 4 speed clutchless.
Sounds a lot of work to go that slow.
@@johncollins5552 the internal gearing on the lifan was the limiting factor. It was a breeze to ride, 1st gear was mountain goat mode and clutchless made it almost impossible to stall the engine.
I really want the CT125 or the ADV 150. Finding those is like unicorns. My budget is steering me to a sweet 'ol Honda Helix.
Love the retro look of the monkey
Pov: You want a ruckus but are not able to get one in your country
These motorcycles have in utility what they lack in looks. They can be fun to ride as well.
I want a Grom!!!
Nice bikes