Eugene O'Neill (Jack Nicholson) and Louise Bryant (Diane Keaton) have a nice chat about politics. from the film "Reds" (1981) directed by Warren Beatty, written by Warren Beatty and Trevor Griffiths
HaHaHa this film is _"criminally underrated"?_ Nominated for 12 Oscars and won 3 and also multi-nominated and won the British academy awards the golden globes and a ton of other entities awards 😂😂😂 But we must always remember... on UA-cam everything ever done is underrated 😂😂 There are even some imbeciles that claim all these things are *"criminally* _underrated"_ LMAO
Have you seen The Pledge?...The Border?...Five Easy Pieces?...Ironweed?......Nicholson is (was) a supernatural talent....efortless, but very professional about his craft. Who can pass on the chance for playing Michael Corleone and still be as succesfull as he was during the follwing years (Last Detail, Chinatown, Cuckoos Nest, The Shinning).
Drac39 I agree. He gave such a vulnerable performance in this film as Eugene O’Neill falling in love and having his heart broken by Louise Bryant. Oona O’Neill was estranged from her father for much of her life and he practically disowned her because he disapproved of her marriage to Charlie Chaplin. I remember reading that Nicholson’s performance playing O’Neill in Reds helped Oona to see her father in a more compassionate light.
I like how these two actors didn’t go for melodrama or shouting. The characters are both suppressing their anger towards each other, with Eugene hiding behind cynicism and dry wit, Louise struggling to hide her own hurt feelings as she used her debating voice, factually defeating him until her emotions bubble up. Nicholson and Keaton both give two of their best performances in this film.
There was scene originally shot within this one that was shown in the trailer, and Louise went: "I'd rather be with a man who wants to change the world than a critic who wants to mourn it." How that line never made it into the final cut is beyond me, because that was one of the most meaningful lines I've ever heard.
@@batswbennett if you're going to let cynicism dictate your response then of course it is. The only thing that's meaningful here is your lack of perspective.
Thank you for that. I had seen and heard that line "somewhere". When I saw this scene, imagine my confusion when I didn't hear it. Now I know what that "somewhere" was ie. the trailer.
Definitely a refreshing scene from Diane Keaton’s Annie Hall persona. Her finest performance on screen ever! Played with facial expressions like it was play-doh! People who talk abt how she’s only ever played quirky timid girls have never seen this film.
I personally prefer her as a dramatic actress to a comedy one. It's not that she can't do comedy, but since those early Woody Allen films, her more recent comedies have seen her fall back on lazy tics. Films like Reds demonstrate what an acting powerhouse she can be in the right role.
@goback3spaces Diane Keaton was born Diane ("Annie") Hall. Woody Allen based the character on her personality. She's gotten a lot of mileage out of playing herself.
This movie was made about a time where discussions, debates and rancontuers were the main way of communicating. Beside salons of people discussing the ideas of the day, there was only newspapers (lots of them). In terms of how "real"people of the time spoke, pick up "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. It was contemporary to the time period here. And yes, people spoke that way. It was when Americans were smart.
Great film. And I agree that this is probably the best scene (although there are a few other moments involving various speeches in the Russia scenes, that bring me close to tears, when Reed and others are still starry-eyed and optimistic about a democratic revolution and the idea about everyone's opinion mattering and the importance of dissent/individuality to political revolution). The dialogue just crackles here, and Nicholson in particular really relishes delivering those cutting and perceptive but cynical lines. Sadly, from experience, my suspicion is that O'Neill is right about what the average working-class man and woman want (and, alas, it's not workers' solidarity).
For me, the set up in the movie was far better than the "pay-off"...This scene exemplifies what is wrong with having a producer/director. The producer wants to keep the budget at the lowest cost, and the director wants to get "the scene". Here, the producer wins out, there is no time for the scene to develop. Each is so busy trying to get their lines peppered out, that the natural silence or meandering thoughts of natural conversation are not allowed to come to fruition. Even Jack's little scratch of his nose reeks of timed delivery. Each actor is playing the roles of what is their trademark, instead of delving into who Louise Bryant and Eugene O'Neill were. And I am not sure Beatty knew what he wanted. Did he want a "interview" style documentary from those who were there, or a social commentary drama. Finally, we get a far richer display of the stark reality of a revolution turning almost immediately to stifling rule, in Doctor Zhivago. Or how the idyllic dreams do not match the horrific reality in All's Quiet on the Western Front.
They're hurridly rattling their lines off like they saw the director looking at his watch. Nobody speaks like that in real life. Jack and Diane have a lot of charisma though, and it's a great story.
O'Neil's line in this scene how the dream of the working man in America is that he'll one day be rich enough not to work is truth. People like Louise and Jack see class struggle as sport, like O'Neil says. Middle class liberals haven't changed since. Nothing has.
Reactionaries used to say that monarchy was the natural state of human civilization, that democracy doesn't work because everyone wants to be the king. The failure of the English and French revolutions even seemed to confirm this. History, however, did not stop there.
And Republicans have survived by selling a bill of goods sky to poor and middle class Americans, the biggest lie of which is "one day you'll be rich like us".
She cant say that in a movie She cant say this bad word son of Bitch in a movie Its very wrong... in a movie son of Bitch bad words no Its a SHAME .. in a movie.. words... son of bitch.. is a SHAME..
How can anyone conjure up all those words in a typical conversation, it doesn't sound realistic, it sounds like a writer sat and sweated over a script carefully choosing every word to convey his ideas like the smartest person in the room.
I was just thinking the same thing after watching this clip. The dialog in this scene feels like it was written and performed by a high school drama club.
Both characters are writers, though (he, a 20th-century great at it). And they're ex-lovers with a complex history. They've thought about each other a lot. Think about times in your life you get a killer line off in an argument with someone you have a lot of history with. Was it entirely spontaneous, or something you had stored up?
This movie is criminally underrated. Warren Beatty, Diane Keaton, and Jack Nicholson all had stellar performances.
HaHaHa this film is _"criminally underrated"?_ Nominated for 12 Oscars and won 3 and also multi-nominated and won the British academy awards the golden globes and a ton of other entities awards 😂😂😂
But we must always remember... on UA-cam everything ever done is underrated 😂😂
There are even some imbeciles that claim all these things are *"criminally* _underrated"_ LMAO
I agree
You might say the subject matter is criminally underrated. 😅
The best thing about this movie are the Jack Nicholson and Diane Keaton scenes.
I'm reading the complete plays of Eugene O' Neill right now, and I can tell you that this scene is THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
Wes Bervig What was he talking about, when he mentioned Irish Catholicism? Is it explained in the movie?
I love this movie. Beautifully shot, great story and acting
This is one of Nicholsons' finest performances. I'd even venture to say that it may arguably be his best
Have you seen About Schmidt? I think that's his best.
Have you seen The Pledge?...The Border?...Five Easy Pieces?...Ironweed?......Nicholson is (was) a supernatural talent....efortless, but very professional about his craft. Who can pass on the chance for playing Michael Corleone and still be as succesfull as he was during the follwing years (Last Detail, Chinatown, Cuckoos Nest, The Shinning).
His most nuanced.
Drac39 I agree. He gave such a vulnerable performance in this film as Eugene O’Neill falling in love and having his heart broken by Louise Bryant. Oona O’Neill was estranged from her father for much of her life and he practically disowned her because he disapproved of her marriage to Charlie Chaplin. I remember reading that Nicholson’s performance playing O’Neill in Reds helped Oona to see her father in a more compassionate light.
Drac39 "venture to say ".... "arguably ".. Quit hedging , bub!! Is it ,or isn't it, his finest scene ???? the world awaits your answer
I like how these two actors didn’t go for melodrama or shouting. The characters are both suppressing their anger towards each other, with Eugene hiding behind cynicism and dry wit, Louise struggling to hide her own hurt feelings as she used her debating voice, factually defeating him until her emotions bubble up. Nicholson and Keaton both give two of their best performances in this film.
There was scene originally shot within this one that was shown in the trailer, and Louise went:
"I'd rather be with a man who wants to change the world than a critic who wants to mourn it."
How that line never made it into the final cut is beyond me, because that was one of the most meaningful lines I've ever heard.
It's too late to change the world, I'd rather mourn it. Its more meaningful.
@@batswbennett if you're going to let cynicism dictate your response then of course it is. The only thing that's meaningful here is your lack of perspective.
You're perspective is just that. Your own. Keep it.
Editing is a cruel taskmaster. It is funny, though, to see lines in the trailers that aren't in the final film (this isn't the only example).
Thank you for that. I had seen and heard that line "somewhere". When I saw this scene, imagine my confusion when I didn't hear it. Now I know what that "somewhere" was ie. the trailer.
Awesome scene. One of my favorite movies.
I've heard it said this was the last performance Jack Nicholson gave before he... turned into Jack Nicholson.
What a deeply thought-provoking, profoundly sublime comment 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Definitely a refreshing scene from Diane Keaton’s Annie Hall persona. Her finest performance on screen ever! Played with facial expressions like it was play-doh! People who talk abt how she’s only ever played quirky timid girls have never seen this film.
I personally prefer her as a dramatic actress to a comedy one. It's not that she can't do comedy, but since those early Woody Allen films, her more recent comedies have seen her fall back on lazy tics. Films like Reds demonstrate what an acting powerhouse she can be in the right role.
I like how he calls out her name at the end, but she's already gone.
Nicholson at his finest. the man can truly act when he's challenged as he was in this film. A masterful performance !! --------------------WolfSky9
Diane Keaton is amazing
@goback3spaces Diane Keaton was born Diane ("Annie") Hall. Woody Allen based the character on her personality. She's gotten a lot of mileage out of playing herself.
This movie was made about a time where discussions, debates and rancontuers were the main way of communicating. Beside salons of people discussing the ideas of the day, there was only newspapers (lots of them).
In terms of how "real"people of the time spoke, pick up "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. It was contemporary to the time period here.
And yes, people spoke that way. It was when Americans were smart.
Great film. And I agree that this is probably the best scene (although there are a few other moments involving various speeches in the Russia scenes, that bring me close to tears, when Reed and others are still starry-eyed and optimistic about a democratic revolution and the idea about everyone's opinion mattering and the importance of dissent/individuality to political revolution). The dialogue just crackles here, and Nicholson in particular really relishes delivering those cutting and perceptive but cynical lines. Sadly, from experience, my suspicion is that O'Neill is right about what the average working-class man and woman want (and, alas, it's not workers' solidarity).
I like the train scene.
Keaton also did shine in Looking for mr goodbar which was a powerhouse with sad and scary ending
It doesn't get much better than this...
Actually it does... why better in fact
Wonderful movie.
Fair to middling
YEP. This is the best scene in the entire film
For me, the set up in the movie was far better than the "pay-off"...This scene exemplifies what is wrong with having a producer/director. The producer wants to keep the budget at the lowest cost, and the director wants to get "the scene". Here, the producer wins out, there is no time for the scene to develop. Each is so busy trying to get their lines peppered out, that the natural silence or meandering thoughts of natural conversation are not allowed to come to fruition. Even Jack's little scratch of his nose reeks of timed delivery. Each actor is playing the roles of what is their trademark, instead of delving into who Louise Bryant and Eugene O'Neill were. And I am not sure Beatty knew what he wanted. Did he want a "interview" style documentary from those who were there, or a social commentary drama. Finally, we get a far richer display of the stark reality of a revolution turning almost immediately to stifling rule, in Doctor Zhivago. Or how the idyllic dreams do not match the horrific reality in All's Quiet on the Western Front.
I've literally written down her lines to use on my own " O'neil "---plagiary, I know, but they are just soooo good!
So. Awesome.
What did they think they were training? The Oppressed
Keaton. Keaton. Keaton.
Thank you
Why does UA-cam insist on having the audio turned down so low. If their worried about hurting my hearing I wish they would mind their own business.
They're hurridly rattling their lines off like they saw the director looking at his watch. Nobody speaks like that in real life. Jack and Diane have a lot of charisma though, and it's a great story.
Me and my wife speak like that in real life. Are we freaks?
@@iniohos2 yes
REDS
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I'm really that cynical.
I can barely hear it. :-(
the revolution never ends LOL
She told him alright
O'Neil's line in this scene how the dream of the working man in America is that he'll one day be rich enough not to work is truth. People like Louise and Jack see class struggle as sport, like O'Neil says. Middle class liberals haven't changed since. Nothing has.
...And middle class republicans see class struggle as money. Nothing has changed and it never will.
Reactionaries used to say that monarchy was the natural state of human civilization, that democracy doesn't work because everyone wants to be the king. The failure of the English and French revolutions even seemed to confirm this. History, however, did not stop there.
And Republicans have survived by selling a bill of goods sky to poor and middle class Americans, the biggest lie of which is "one day you'll be rich like us".
The problem with this movie is that she's still playing Annie Hall.
+goback3spaces It's who she is. She does what she does but it isn't Annie, it's her.
+goback3spaces It's who she is. She does what she does but it isn't Annie, it's her.
She starts out Annie and grows to be the wisest person in the movie.
nah there was definitely a distinction between quirky and timid Annie and gutsy Louise
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Every cynics critique of socialism or class consciousness
O'Neil was an anarchist. If you watch any of his plays, it's clear that he has some conception of class consciousness.
nicholson plays all his roles the same way. at least keaton wasn't being annie hall here. hers was a good performance.
Louis
She cant say that in a movie She cant say this bad word son of Bitch in a movie Its very wrong... in a movie son of Bitch bad words no Its a SHAME .. in a movie.. words... son of bitch.. is a SHAME..
How can anyone conjure up all those words in a typical conversation, it doesn't sound realistic, it sounds like a writer sat and sweated over a script carefully choosing every word to convey his ideas like the smartest person in the room.
I was just thinking the same thing after watching this clip. The dialog in this scene feels like it was written and performed by a high school drama club.
Because she is astute, well read and a woman with a passion. That is Louise and Keaton nailed it.
Then you've never spoken with real intellectuals
Not sure where you live but that sort of conversation is the Norm in the circles which I inhabit.
Try to expand your social group .?
Both characters are writers, though (he, a 20th-century great at it). And they're ex-lovers with a complex history. They've thought about each other a lot. Think about times in your life you get a killer line off in an argument with someone you have a lot of history with. Was it entirely spontaneous, or something you had stored up?
The best scenes in "Reds" were between Nicholson & Keaton.The rest of the film was meh.
Scripted!
not the best for sure
hardly the best work for either of them, truly sounds like two people reading scripts at one another
That is not the best scene lol
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