thank you for your time making these videos and sharing your knowledge. i recently got back into magic. im loving pioneer. your videos have helped me so much. the guys at the lgs say i play the deck like i never took a 6 year break from magic. thats all you. your info is levels above anyone else i see making pioneer videos. id love to see you play other top decks. i would like to hear you talk about the game play, sideboarding choices, and how you think the deck may stack up in the current meta
Thanks for the kind words. They mean a lot. At this particular moment, I’m not planning on making content about additional Pioneer decks, but the future contains all possibilities.
In round 3 at minute 55 could you not have played the lair of the hydra. untapped the lair with kiora, animated both lairs and attacked for lethal by making 2 2/2 lairs and winning, opp on 1 and no cards in hand and only one blocker? Im just curious if i am missing something or if lair has summoning sickness on the turn it enters the battlefield.
The Lair is subject to summing sickness, yes. The AFR creature lands like Lair are designed to enter the battlefield tapped on later turns to make the confusion easier to avoid, so that it only comes up in decks that can untap their lands (which Mono Green can do). It doesn’t make a difference that the permanent didn’t enter the battlefield as a creature. See Comprehensive Rule 302.6 for more details.
I don’t particularly miss Esika’s Chariot, no. In my stack rank of artifacts, it’s a close-but-clear 15th best artifact. I don’t really wish for it that often, since it’s somewhat but not entirely redundant with Woodcaller Automaton, but without opening yourself up to getting a land destroyed when you really need to not lose a land. In my current mental model, Esika’s Chariot is almost purely present as a card to sideboard in, which makes it not particularly valuable. I think it’s possible that the slot should go to a true sideboard card. The most effective true sideboard I’ve found for this deck is Nylea’s Intervention.
@@bobbyfortanely so woodcaller you still think is an absolute 100% include? I had been cutting it for portal to phyrexia. Maybe it is a lack of experience on the deck but I love portal for being an instant win in most cases while taking much less time to resolve than going for the full combo in a tournament paper setting
@@Mazrim If you have a concern about time in a paper setting, then Portal to Phyrexia could be an appropriate inclusion for you. I made this Twitter thread that breaks down the relative value of all the artifacts, which can give a more complete answer to your question, and also gives some more detail on the many uses of Woodcaller.: twitter.com/BobbyFortanely/status/1665891324933931008 The summary of it is that there's 5 artifact that clearly contribute the most (Cityscape Leveler, Skysovereign, The Chain Veil, Pestilent Cauldron, The Stone Brain), and then a little bit of a gap, but Woodcaller Automaton is the 6th winningest artifact, and then there's a gap between Woodcaller and the remaining 9. If I was only allowed to run 6 artifacts, Woodcaller would be in there. After those top 6 artifacts, I don't think that any of the choices make a big difference, so it's all personal preference at that point. If there were more good true sideboard cards in the color Green, I would consider running those in place of artifacts.
@@bobbyfortanely One other thing wanted your opinion on, bringing back 5 cmc bolas. In the mirror the meta has become always karn and stone brain your karn away Bolas gives you a win con after that and lets you use their karn -2 situationally. People will leave themselves in pretty bad board states to get the karn stone brain off so you can often just kill their karn and then have free access back to your fetched artifact
I recommend the same board plan as for Mono Red: +1 Filigree Sylex +1 Esika’s Chariot +1 Woodcaller Automaton -1 Cityscape Leveler -1 Storm the Festival -1 Karn
Holding off on buying them seems appropriate if you’re on the fence. The second-order metagame effects of the rise of Phoenix have been that the decks Tortoise is good against have become less popular, and the decks that Polukranos is better against have gotten more popular.
@@phozonn if it was a 3/6, I’d be all over it. As it is, dying to a single Lightning Axe has me not interested when Polukranos also dies to Lightning Axe but at 3 mana and drawing a card with Kiora.
If you're trying to make changes to improve the game against Phoenix, do you not think that you need to keep the Polukranos in the deck? A 4/5 reach is pretty good against them, right?
Any normal creature I run in the flex slot runs into the issue that it trades down on mana with Lightning Axe, which they all run 4 copies of. I like Polukranos over Tortoise in the Phoenix matchup entirely due it costing 3 instead of 4, but neither are great. It’s possible that the best flex slot if you expect a lot of Phoenix is Sylvan Caryatid. I’m also trying Vorinclex right now as an additional reach creature with >5 toughness. It might make its way into my next video, but not sure yet. Thing in the Ice is a little a consideration, but right now all the lists I see opt for Ledger Shredder over Thing in the Ice (although that could always change in the future).
@bobbyfortanely makes sense, thanks. I've seen a lot of Things in league matches, probably more so than Shredder. Vorinclex is interesting, I know this was filmed a while ago, the new threat to Green now seems to be the Heroic deck. Trying to figure out ways to beat that super quick draw.
@@DrZaius-mt4muto the best of my knowledge, there is no way to salvage the Boros Heroic matchup. The “Bobby” of Heroic has a nearly 100% matchup agains Mono Green (see his stats at twitter.com/iambroadband/status/1622643910001692672 ), but only a 33% matchup against both Rakdos Midrange and Rakdos Sacrifice.
thank you for your time making these videos and sharing your knowledge. i recently got back into magic. im loving pioneer. your videos have helped me so much. the guys at the lgs say i play the deck like i never took a 6 year break from magic. thats all you. your info is levels above anyone else i see making pioneer videos. id love to see you play other top decks. i would like to hear you talk about the game play, sideboarding choices, and how you think the deck may stack up in the current meta
Thanks for the kind words. They mean a lot. At this particular moment, I’m not planning on making content about additional Pioneer decks, but the future contains all possibilities.
@@bobbyfortanely that's unfortunate to hear. You have a knack for explaining your thought processes.
Bobby only having one picture of himself to throw on all these thumbnails is peak magic player. Relatable
My friend told me you are jesus is this true I’m sure as jesus you can confirm
In round 3 at minute 55 could you not have played the lair of the hydra. untapped the lair with kiora, animated both lairs and attacked for lethal by making 2 2/2 lairs and winning, opp on 1 and no cards in hand and only one blocker? Im just curious if i am missing something or if lair has summoning sickness on the turn it enters the battlefield.
The Lair is subject to summing sickness, yes. The AFR creature lands like Lair are designed to enter the battlefield tapped on later turns to make the confusion easier to avoid, so that it only comes up in decks that can untap their lands (which Mono Green can do). It doesn’t make a difference that the permanent didn’t enter the battlefield as a creature. See Comprehensive Rule 302.6 for more details.
do you not miss the chariot? Your sideboard guide has it coming in a lot
I don’t particularly miss Esika’s Chariot, no. In my stack rank of artifacts, it’s a close-but-clear 15th best artifact. I don’t really wish for it that often, since it’s somewhat but not entirely redundant with Woodcaller Automaton, but without opening yourself up to getting a land destroyed when you really need to not lose a land.
In my current mental model, Esika’s Chariot is almost purely present as a card to sideboard in, which makes it not particularly valuable. I think it’s possible that the slot should go to a true sideboard card. The most effective true sideboard I’ve found for this deck is Nylea’s Intervention.
@@bobbyfortanely so woodcaller you still think is an absolute 100% include? I had been cutting it for portal to phyrexia. Maybe it is a lack of experience on the deck but I love portal for being an instant win in most cases while taking much less time to resolve than going for the full combo in a tournament paper setting
@@Mazrim If you have a concern about time in a paper setting, then Portal to Phyrexia could be an appropriate inclusion for you.
I made this Twitter thread that breaks down the relative value of all the artifacts, which can give a more complete answer to your question, and also gives some more detail on the many uses of Woodcaller.: twitter.com/BobbyFortanely/status/1665891324933931008
The summary of it is that there's 5 artifact that clearly contribute the most (Cityscape Leveler, Skysovereign, The Chain Veil, Pestilent Cauldron, The Stone Brain), and then a little bit of a gap, but Woodcaller Automaton is the 6th winningest artifact, and then there's a gap between Woodcaller and the remaining 9. If I was only allowed to run 6 artifacts, Woodcaller would be in there. After those top 6 artifacts, I don't think that any of the choices make a big difference, so it's all personal preference at that point. If there were more good true sideboard cards in the color Green, I would consider running those in place of artifacts.
thanks, will review @@bobbyfortanely
@@bobbyfortanely One other thing wanted your opinion on, bringing back 5 cmc bolas. In the mirror the meta has become always karn and stone brain your karn away
Bolas gives you a win con after that and lets you use their karn -2 situationally.
People will leave themselves in pretty bad board states to get the karn stone brain off so you can often just kill their karn and then have free access back to your fetched artifact
Hello Bobby. can you help me? I lose almost every match against Gruul aggro. Do you have a sideboard tip for me?
I recommend the same board plan as for Mono Red: +1 Filigree Sylex +1 Esika’s Chariot +1 Woodcaller Automaton -1 Cityscape Leveler -1 Storm the Festival -1 Karn
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Do think tortoise is here to stay? Or should i hold off on buying them till further results
Holding off on buying them seems appropriate if you’re on the fence. The second-order metagame effects of the rise of Phoenix have been that the decks Tortoise is good against have become less popular, and the decks that Polukranos is better against have gotten more popular.
Here at Lillie regionals, I've seen a fair few people playing Arasta of the Endless Web. What. Are your thoughts on this card?
@@phozonn if it was a 3/6, I’d be all over it. As it is, dying to a single Lightning Axe has me not interested when Polukranos also dies to Lightning Axe but at 3 mana and drawing a card with Kiora.
If you're trying to make changes to improve the game against Phoenix, do you not think that you need to keep the Polukranos in the deck? A 4/5 reach is pretty good against them, right?
dies to axe, weak against Titi
Any normal creature I run in the flex slot runs into the issue that it trades down on mana with Lightning Axe, which they all run 4 copies of. I like Polukranos over Tortoise in the Phoenix matchup entirely due it costing 3 instead of 4, but neither are great. It’s possible that the best flex slot if you expect a lot of Phoenix is Sylvan Caryatid. I’m also trying Vorinclex right now as an additional reach creature with >5 toughness. It might make its way into my next video, but not sure yet. Thing in the Ice is a little a consideration, but right now all the lists I see opt for Ledger Shredder over Thing in the Ice (although that could always change in the future).
@bobbyfortanely makes sense, thanks. I've seen a lot of Things in league matches, probably more so than Shredder. Vorinclex is interesting, I know this was filmed a while ago, the new threat to Green now seems to be the Heroic deck. Trying to figure out ways to beat that super quick draw.
@@DrZaius-mt4muto the best of my knowledge, there is no way to salvage the Boros Heroic matchup. The “Bobby” of Heroic has a nearly 100% matchup agains Mono Green (see his stats at twitter.com/iambroadband/status/1622643910001692672 ), but only a 33% matchup against both Rakdos Midrange and Rakdos Sacrifice.
@bobbyfortanely thanks for the insight! I'll take a look. I guess the plan is just to avoid heroic and continue to beat everything else.