Yeah the Suns have sorely needed a dog to stop the bleeding that happened in the last two seasons and Grayson is certainly someone who fills that role. Every championship team has a Grayson Allen on their squad.
to your point about playmaking, that surely was a big part of why they went after nurk. One of the best screen setters in the leagues and a great big man passer. And him being a bad defender now after his injury is a weird narativ to me. What are ppl expecting whith the perimeter defense he had to play with the last few years in Portland. It was an open layup line he was trying to defend. Look at Brook lopez what he can do with thee right pieces around him.
Ayton has been an immovable piece. I'm so happy he balled out for the Bahamas. We managed to find a sucker. I like the new guys. And more importantly, they're movable.
@@hammerdon1962Portland was happy to take a flier on the Suns’ former #1 overall pick in exchange for a center who’s four years older with a substantial history of injuries and two guys who probably wouldn’t even be in the rotation for them next season. DeAndre averaged 18 and 10 last season as an afterthought in the Sun’s offense, in Portland where Scoot will feed him he’ll probably bump his point average up to about 22 or 23. There’s no reason for y’all to be hating, personally I think that both teams got what they wanted
Grayson has streaked a few times and had massive nights. And he’s young. Plays intense d and has shown he can drop a lot of points if things fall into place
Ayton is more talented for sure but he doesnt like to play big instead he just wants to take 10 foot jumpers and hooks all day. As MCT said there wont be enough touches to go around to maximize Aytons potential so moving him was good for both parties. As a long time Phoenix fan I want to say that watching a 7 foot 250lb monster who is hesitant to mix it up in the paint is beyond frustrating and DA has major motor issues to boot. Good riddence!
Nurkic shoots 10% worse on his limited touches, that sucks. He misses easy shots at the rim and isn't gonna tear the rim down either. Get ready for a lot more frustration, that is if he can even stay healthy
@@chadingram6390 This wasn't a one for one trade. The package received will provide better production than what DA was providing. I actually prefer Grayson Allen than Ayton.
You may prefer him but he's obviously a far inferior player, that's why he was a throw in for salary matching. Allen is a 3rd string SG for this team behind Eric Gordon, they really don't provide more production especially when Nurkic inevitably gets hurt and rides the bench. @@jpizel1070
Nurkic is 100x better at guarding Jokic than Ayton. Nurkic has an extra gear whenever he goes up against Jokic cause of their history (don't believe me just go and UA-cam Jokic vs Nurkic from last season) ; meanwhile we clearly saw in the playoffs Ayton is fucking terrified of Jokic and just gives up on playing any defense and rebounding and just goes and cries in the corner while Durant is fighting with Jokic to get the rebound. He even went out and faked his injury just so that he didn't have to play against Jokic again in an elimination game
Book and KD are building this squad, not Ishbia or Jones.. they know what a perfect roster needs to look like to win Metu and Eubanks versatile bigs are enough behind Nurk especially since they will play a lot of small ball
@@rudypattea4772 backup bigs along w bol bol yh, shot blocking, rim running, muscle, 3 what shooting what else u want on bench for versatility in bigs on a team where center doesn’t need the ball
Despite great coaching. And great teammates. DA's basketball IQ never went up. Someone has been in his ear. every time he's left the court, since he's been here. KD even gave it a shot. I guess he was too busy dominayton.
Good analysis. One correction: Ish Wainright is still a Sun. He’s on a non-guaranteed contract. Suns have 17 on their roster and will trim to 15 before opening tip.
It would have been nice to get more out of the DA trade, but his trade value was going to fall with each passing moment this season. We did not need that drama while trying to build chemistry with basically an entirely new roster and coaching staff.
If Nurk can stay on the court, set solid screens, rebound, and box out, I’ll be happy with that. I’d love above average defense or rim protection, but you can’t have everything in life. I just hope the other pieces in the deal gets up TJ McConnell at the trade deadline
No matter what anyone thinks about Ayton, anyone who puts themselves above their team and continually butts heads with your coach does not deserve a roster spot on the team, he is not Kobe or Jordan, he is not more valuable than the coach. This move obviously had the blessing of Book and Durant, or they wouldn't have done it.
I thought that Frank Vogel would help Ayton to redeem himself. But Nurkich is a downgrade both in scoring and rebounding. However, the team has become deeper. May be they will add a reasonable PG sometime later.
Ayton has no heart and quit on this team for 2 playoffs in a row. Nurk plays Joker way better than Ayton and with the decent backup centers they acquired they will be good at the 5 spot. Let's not forget that Jock Landale played better than DA vs Denver.
I think yer gonna be way better and Grayson Allen is far better than he’s getting credit for. He’s had a few big nights where he can drop 30. And he’s always intense d
Phoenix suns frank Vogel Kevin got to say bol bol you got put on some weight you got to weigh between 230 to 235 you is like Claxton right now from Brooklyn nets right now first he couldn't take that physical contact until he put on some weight and he got really good
He gets played off the floor, he gets baited into committing too many fouls as a starter. He's really only good in very limited minutes as a rim protector
@@chadingram6390 His minutes did take a jump last year with how many injuries the Suns had and he did a good enough job but yeah he is definitely better as a backup
@@DopeBoyDreamz Were past max I think we got like 19 players on the roster and still have training camp and preseason so it's not impossible to resign him
Nurkic is a big upgrade guys. If he had a coach who trusted him he would have a career similar to Jokic. Next to Lillard you can't have a meaningful career.
Most of the Ayton hatin’ in PHX is based on the fact that the Suns screwed up and took him instead of Luka Doncic with the #1 overall pick. It’s not his fault.
@@gregbors8364that would be nice for them, however why didn’t we see it in like 5 years of him being here. He shouldn’t have been disgruntled the first 3 years. Also luka is a douche, and book probably would have wanted out. I’d much rather book then luka.
i'd rather have vucevic or turner over nurk, neither of the three can play any defence on jokic/AD in the playoffs but both vuce and turner have proven by averaging 4 threes an game shooting ~36% that they can stretch the floor with ease, nurk shoots half the amount off threes with added injury history. Grayson allen is equal or an slight upgrade over payne an fringe starter/backup Nassir little hasn't figured his game out needs time to develop more but thats impossible on an championship roster Not sure how this is an win given the trade deadline might've had vuce and turner on the trade block near the deadline but hopefully all three additions for the suns can flourish!
@@Shawn-Leider im not saying suns NEED an stretch big but an 5 out offense would create spacing for kd,book,beal to cook 1on1 while an kickout to the corner where nurk posts up on the 3pt line is more often than not an dead possesion.
Yo Grayson Allen is a BEAST. trust me you want this guy on yer team. As a bucks fan we did not want to lose him
Yeah the Suns have sorely needed a dog to stop the bleeding that happened in the last two seasons and Grayson is certainly someone who fills that role. Every championship team has a Grayson Allen on their squad.
how effective is he playing the SF
Ya he's really going to move the needle as a 3rd string shooting guard
he's no 3rd stringer. He's going to be either the starting small forward or 2nd guy off the bench after EG.@@chadingram6390
Im not so sure, Bill Simmons just trashed Grayson's acquisition by the Suns.
I love Ayton but he quit on his teammates 🤦♂️ He needed to go🤷♂️
Ayton had potential to be good on defense but he didn’t make anyone afraid.
to your point about playmaking, that surely was a big part of why they went after nurk. One of the best screen setters in the leagues and a great big man passer. And him being a bad defender now after his injury is a weird narativ to me. What are ppl expecting whith the perimeter defense he had to play with the last few years in Portland. It was an open layup line he was trying to defend. Look at Brook lopez what he can do with thee right pieces around him.
Been saying Phoenix finessed with that trade
I still wish we had mikal but I knew after that finals ayton HAD to go!
They will be a better team
Ayton has been an immovable piece. I'm so happy he balled out for the Bahamas. We managed to find a sucker. I like the new guys. And more importantly, they're movable.
@@hammerdon1962Portland was happy to take a flier on the Suns’ former #1 overall pick in exchange for a center who’s four years older with a substantial history of injuries and two guys who probably wouldn’t even be in the rotation for them next season. DeAndre averaged 18 and 10 last season as an afterthought in the Sun’s offense, in Portland where Scoot will feed him he’ll probably bump his point average up to about 22 or 23. There’s no reason for y’all to be hating, personally I think that both teams got what they wanted
Phx wanted a worse and often injured center? @@gregbors8364
Grayson has streaked a few times and had massive nights. And he’s young. Plays intense d and has shown he can drop a lot of points if things fall into place
Ayton is more talented for sure but he doesnt like to play big instead he just wants to take 10 foot jumpers and hooks all day. As MCT said there wont be enough touches to go around to maximize Aytons potential so moving him was good for both parties. As a long time Phoenix fan I want to say that watching a 7 foot 250lb monster who is hesitant to mix it up in the paint is beyond frustrating and DA has major motor issues to boot. Good riddence!
He’s got that embiiditis.
I 💯 agree. This was my take all along.
Nurkic shoots 10% worse on his limited touches, that sucks. He misses easy shots at the rim and isn't gonna tear the rim down either. Get ready for a lot more frustration, that is if he can even stay healthy
@@chadingram6390 This wasn't a one for one trade. The package received will provide better production than what DA was providing. I actually prefer Grayson Allen than Ayton.
You may prefer him but he's obviously a far inferior player, that's why he was a throw in for salary matching. Allen is a 3rd string SG for this team behind Eric Gordon, they really don't provide more production especially when Nurkic inevitably gets hurt and rides the bench. @@jpizel1070
ayton quit in the playoffs 2 years in a row.......we know what he brings.....and after losing for so long in portland, he will be hungrier
Nurkic is 100x better at guarding Jokic than Ayton. Nurkic has an extra gear whenever he goes up against Jokic cause of their history (don't believe me just go and UA-cam Jokic vs Nurkic from last season) ; meanwhile we clearly saw in the playoffs Ayton is fucking terrified of Jokic and just gives up on playing any defense and rebounding and just goes and cries in the corner while Durant is fighting with Jokic to get the rebound. He even went out and faked his injury just so that he didn't have to play against Jokic again in an elimination game
Book and KD are building this squad, not Ishbia or Jones.. they know what a perfect roster needs to look like to win
Metu and Eubanks versatile bigs are enough behind Nurk especially since they will play a lot of small ball
what are you talking about lmaooo
@@rudypattea4772 backup bigs along w bol bol yh, shot blocking, rim running, muscle, 3 what shooting what else u want on bench for versatility in bigs on a team where center doesn’t need the ball
Small ball what’s small on our team
Good video man!
Despite great coaching. And great teammates. DA's basketball IQ never went up.
Someone has been in his ear. every time he's left the court, since he's been here. KD even gave it a shot.
I guess he was too busy dominayton.
More like AbominAyton 😂
AbumInAyton
@@jaym.4611 he's not a bum. he's just not a Max guy.
@hammerdon1962 worse, he lacks heart and discipline and pouts if he doesn't get his way.
@@jaym.4611 I think he's in for a rude awakening when it's time for an extension.
Great video man
Preciate it
Good analysis. One correction: Ish Wainright is still a Sun. He’s on a non-guaranteed contract. Suns have 17 on their roster and will trim to 15 before opening tip.
Good to know, thought I saw he got cut somewhere
It would have been nice to get more out of the DA trade, but his trade value was going to fall with each passing moment this season. We did not need that drama while trying to build chemistry with basically an entirely new roster and coaching staff.
If Nurk can stay on the court, set solid screens, rebound, and box out, I’ll be happy with that. I’d love above average defense or rim protection, but you can’t have everything in life. I just hope the other pieces in the deal gets up TJ McConnell at the trade deadline
Definitely better without D A now. Could've been waived with no comp.... phx added three guys.
lmao no, did you not see game 6 without DA?
@@chadingram6390did you not see DA give up?
No matter what anyone thinks about Ayton, anyone who puts themselves above their team and continually butts heads with your coach does not deserve a roster spot on the team, he is not Kobe or Jordan, he is not more valuable than the coach. This move obviously had the blessing of Book and Durant, or they wouldn't have done it.
Good move for the suns. They're on a win now mode so nurk make sense.. he's very cerebral, tricky. Ayton is potential. His timeline just doesn't fit.
Plus they don't have to worry about him quitting in the play-offs, because he'll already be in street clothes from injury
I thought that Frank Vogel would help Ayton to redeem himself. But Nurkich is a downgrade both in scoring and rebounding. However, the team has become deeper. May be they will add a reasonable PG sometime later.
We don’t need no scoring we have the big 3 how much more scoring you need nurkic is way more physical than ayton
Ayton has no heart and quit on this team for 2 playoffs in a row. Nurk plays Joker way better than Ayton and with the decent backup centers they acquired they will be good at the 5 spot. Let's not forget that Jock Landale played better than DA vs Denver.
Honestly I was excited for the season now I am a little worried after the trade.
lol you should be Ayton was a problem for anthony davis lol now there's jursuf ain't that good thank you for this flaw you'll see why.
I think yer gonna be way better and Grayson Allen is far better than he’s getting credit for. He’s had a few big nights where he can drop 30. And he’s always intense d
@@theshowman1000davis avg 25 n 12 on ayton tho
@@theshowman1000 ayton was not a problem for anthony davis lmao
@@karstenbarrett8091 yeah but AD averages 40 on bums
You gotta be a real tool to average 18/10 and still be hated by a majority of the fan base.
If you watched him, you would know why. Ayton has zero motor. Zero aggression. Zero desire to be great.
As of now who are the starters?
Maybe Ayton needs to be playing at the 4 though?
But that’s stupid,he’s a center whether he likes it or not.
Ayton should be better but he needs to get more aggressive
Phoenix suns frank Vogel Kevin got to say bol bol you got put on some weight you got to weigh between 230 to 235 you is like Claxton right now from Brooklyn nets right now first he couldn't take that physical contact until he put on some weight and he got really good
Tbh we just need to resign Bismack yeah hes limited offensively but wether off the bench or starting hes a decent defender and good rebounder
He gets played off the floor, he gets baited into committing too many fouls as a starter. He's really only good in very limited minutes as a rim protector
Our squad is at its max we’re not getting biyombo
@@chadingram6390 His minutes did take a jump last year with how many injuries the Suns had and he did a good enough job but yeah he is definitely better as a backup
@@DopeBoyDreamz Were past max I think we got like 19 players on the roster and still have training camp and preseason so it's not impossible to resign him
@@zombiehunterzippy9823 but who are we going to waive to get biyombo?? Nigga we would need to waive at least 3 players
Nice one
I think Eubanks and Diop are ur 4s you still need a backup center
Facts
Eubanks is the backup C
Exactly! The guy totally missed this.. 😏
We have 5 centers on the roster, I think we will be okay.
Book
Beal
Bates-Diop
Durant
Nurkic
Why would you think Eubanks was playing the four?
Suns champs if healthy
Suns they dont have rim protector will be all year will be bad no defensive to
No one talking about the knicks tho.
Why would you
Nurkic is a big upgrade guys. If he had a coach who trusted him he would have a career similar to Jokic. Next to Lillard you can't have a meaningful career.
Most of the Ayton hatin’ in PHX is based on the fact that the Suns screwed up and took him instead of Luka Doncic with the #1 overall pick. It’s not his fault.
Most of the hate is that ayton was underwhelming and put no effort
Luis is good and I wanted him insted. However after watching him for a few years, he seems like a tool also.
@@IcePhoen1x694 He averaged 18 and 10 last season with no effort, eh? Wow, that’s good news for the Blazers because he seems motivated now
@@gregbors8364that would be nice for them, however why didn’t we see it in like 5 years of him being here. He shouldn’t have been disgruntled the first 3 years.
Also luka is a douche, and book probably would have wanted out. I’d much rather book then luka.
@@gregbors8364 Yes, he averaged 18 and 10, but come playoff time, he doesn't put any effort.
Only on planet America Ayton is better defender than Nurkic.
Far more versatile, he can legitimately defend guards on the perimeter
@@chadingram6390when, where? He’s not stopping anyone on the perimeter. He can’t even guard a centers there.
i'd rather have vucevic or turner over nurk, neither of the three can play any defence on jokic/AD in the playoffs but both vuce and turner have proven by averaging 4 threes an game shooting ~36% that they can stretch the floor with ease, nurk shoots half the amount off threes with added injury history.
Grayson allen is equal or an slight upgrade over payne an fringe starter/backup
Nassir little hasn't figured his game out needs time to develop more but thats impossible on an championship roster
Not sure how this is an win given the trade deadline might've had vuce and turner on the trade block near the deadline but hopefully all three additions for the suns can flourish!
They don’t need a big who can shoot that was aytons problem. They need a big who can big.
@@Shawn-Leider im not saying suns NEED an stretch big but an 5 out offense would create spacing for kd,book,beal to cook 1on1 while an kickout to the corner where nurk posts up on the 3pt line is more often than not an dead possesion.
Twice he quit!
@@kowaikokoro three of our centers can shoot threes.
So we are supposed to operate on the CHANCE that Turner or Vucevic would be available at the trade deadline? Thank God you're not the GM
Wunch
We should of kept Ayton!!! He will be least 22 and 12 player with Portland
Terrible take.
So we should have kept him for 4 more points and 2 more rebounds a game. That would put us over the hump.😂
Suns should of kept Bridges and Ayton and tried him at the 4 and then trade for big Center to start
Dumb take
How would DA be better as a 4?
DA at the four...we have now reached a new level of stupidity
Wimpynaton
Wunch
Wah