F-22 vs Chinese J-20 | Fighter Pilot Reacts
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2023
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Why isn’t everyone just calling the J-20 what it actually is - an Interceptor. Every design decision about this aircraft makes it obvious it’s intended to operate as interceptor - big, long range, large payload, big (“telephone pole”) long range missiles, no gun, no thrust vectoring, less maneuverability than a pure fighter like the F-22, etc. It’s clearly designed to be an Interceptor that can cover the South China Sea and Taiwan theater, stealthily approach opposing AWACS, tankers, other air assets, and take them out from a distance without any dogfighting, then retreat back to base. It’s an Interceptor.
Possibly anti-ship missiles. But everything about it suggests that it isn’t a pure fighter. I’d really consider a combination of the F-22 and F-35 to be what the J-20 would be facing. And the J-20 engine problem hasn’t been solved yet.
@@ypw510 I found it interesting that its engines have more thrust than the F-22 engines (40k lbs/ft vs 35k respectively). I understand their reliability and service life-time is still poor though.
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I'd take any of the alleged numbers with a lot skepticism. There may be public numbers, but most likely the real numbers from testing are classified. Besides that, the F119 is a 35 year old design. The proposal for it was 40 years ago.
On top of that, General Electric's YF120 had the potential to be a better performing engine, but apparently the USAF didn't like the risks of its novel technologies.
We're going to need to see if they can actually ramp up the WS-15 into serial production. As of now I'm skeptical. The F119 is mature, although Pratt is still working on upgrades and fixes as well as making maintenance parts.
@5133937: 35,000 lbs. of thrust is it's "official" rating, just like it's "official" top speed is mach 2.25 (for the F-22). The real numbers are... cough cough
I would even say missile truck that is also designed to take ships
This man is the most fighter pilot looking fighter pilot I've ever seen 😂😂😂
Why?:))
@@victorlazari5708 The mustache brother 😂
He has the perfect pilot name too lol
he look like my local pizza delivery boy 😂😂
that Chris Hadley face...
seems like the USAF has a type lol
I've always thought of the J-20 as a big PL-15 truck. Thanks for your video.
Turns out a kid I trained to make it to black belt in Kenpo Karate is an F22 Pilot today. Saw him about 3 years ago when he finally got assigned his jet and must say, pretty proud moment. Yes I asked him everything and more that I should have...being a retired Army SF warrior I figured he may feel comfortable telling me some classified things....but sadly for me, he isn't that dumb. I have asked some F-15 Pilots things and they've told me the fastest they've had their monsters flying and all I can say is "that's why that bird is my favorite" not to mention a squadron of F-15's were the first ones to my position, saving me and my team's lives. That roll in they did with the 2nd bird (I think) dropping a warhead on their foreheads actually brought the shock of their presence out of me as when the first one came in low and extremely fast (the shock wave was incredible).
I heard they can go mach3
I heard they can go mach3
Why is it that average folks get so locked into the fine details and the specifications of comparing and contrasting military equipment from different countries? What they should focus on when it comes to decisive advantage is how long of a period the given technology has been developed, modified, and perfected, as is the case with the United States and stealth technology in general. F-117 Nighthawk, cleared with full operational capabilities in late 1983. 1983-2024 = 41 years It's been more than 41 years, probably closer to 45, since the U.S has invested in stealth technology, churning out the F-117, B-2 Spirit, F-22 Raptor, and the F-35 Lightning. If America has the capacity to create and field 4 separate jets, in different classes by the way, what makes you think we don't have the ability to reverse engineer or retrace our steps when it comes to accomplishing the complete opposite, on the flip side, to gain the capacity to read other stealth jet signatures on our radars with pinpoint accuracy? If we are the inventors and creators of a given technology and are easily a generation ahead maybe 2 generations, we should also be ahead in this category = defeating enemy stealth. The U.S maybe moving away from stealth and going into a completely different direction technology wise so what does that tell you?
PL-17 just came out. It’s a super long rang air to air missile that has a range of 400 kms
Do you trust it’s true
@majake-yd8ff
It's always Chinese culture to play down her military strength.
The biggest factor is that the F22 already shut down production and will be near impossible to reopen again. J20 is still being actively upgraded with new blocks coming out every few years.
J20 still doesnt compare. 6th gen fighters will be out before anyone compares to the 22 willing to bet.
bet what? F35 is in massive production not gonna stop for next 10 years, US doesn't have the next gen yet, even the capacity to build 2000 of it. we don't even know clearly what 6th standards, and are they even maneauvered by man or unmanned? @@barefootbreezy6983
does not matter. All f22's are undergoing a modernization program to make them even more effective. not to mention the NGAD we have to fill that role. f22 is air superior fighter. mix them with f35's. and chi com j20's getting shot out the sky. see nothing from china is tested the pl15 is not tested in real life. their aviator have never been tested. see America knows how to war. its not just about having planes and equipment, its about know how to use them and we do
That's the annoying part is that people start comparing different planes which are not even produced like the F22, it's been official now that it would cost too expensive renewing it's production pretty much the same price as building a new 6th gen plane. So there's no real point discussing it. The only 5th gen fighter planes are 1 F35 (USA), 2 Su 57 ( Russia), 3 China ( J20)
@@korana6308 f-22 getting a 15 billion dollar upgrade. It’s definitely 5th gen at this point. Keep it mind it’s extremely classified and we only know so much. It seems the US is returning to the idea of superior power through production numbers of quality multi-role fighters. 6th gen has already been test flown and was said to have broken records. Only reason I want time to speed up is to see these beauty’s come out into active use.
A great presentation, Ryan. Thanks !
Thankyou for your service. My brother was a navy pilot flying anti-submarine warfare in a PTV-7 aircraft , Mary Christmas to you and yours.
recently they just revealed the production line of J20 which means the 6th generation jet is coming out soon.
USA has already flown a 6th gen fighter. Typically it takes years to go from concept to test flight but using AI it was done in less than a year.
There's no such thing as 6th gen yet.
@@korana6308 actually there is. USA has already built it and flown it. They used AI to design and manufacture it. Its just a prototype but it exists. It usually takes years to design and fly a new aircraft but using AI it was done in a little more than a year.
@@timbuckohfive2751 what's the name of then?
@@korana6308 They have not released a name.
Great analysis and such colorful metaphors... I'm hooked!
I thought it's not meaningful to compare F-22 with J-20 because the design ideas of these two are so different.
As Max said, F-22 can be seen as enhanced version of F-15 for dogfight and its air superiority is hard (or even impossible) to be shaken; J-20 is not equipped with cannon, so clearly, it's not for dogfight while targeting AWACS and oil tankers (2000km operational radius of action vs 851km of F-22).
In the preset battlefield, west Pacific around Taiwan or South China sea, all nearby air bases for F-22 won't be safe; meantime, without the support of AWACS and oil tankers, I doubt if F-22 would be bold enough to be the lone hero.
Oil tanker? Really? Understand something about the USAF, they will establish air dominance and destroy anything that flies. There are multiple air platforms from which the F-22 can fire a weapon from. They can relay information and even use a weapon platform such as a drown, with the pilot delivering the data and firing the weapon. The USAF has even tested B-1s carrying multiple air to air weapons
Obviously this was very limited in scope and theoretical otherwise it would be impossible to have a discussion. The J-20's don't operate far from the K-500 and K-600's- and additionally most likely wouldn't be used offensively except to escort their bombers, such as the H-6. And the US Navy wouldn't operate it's F-35's and F-18's far from their E-2 Hawkeyes and would be more defensive, screening and projecting power from the carrier. Most importantly, the US Navy doesn't have F-22's though a dozen Air Force ones were stationed in Kadena Air Base in Japan in 6 month rotations last year. The question would be would F-22's make it off the tarmac against the PLA's Rocket Force- unlike a carrier the base is stationery. The Air Force claims the Rocket Force, "presents a significant, though not insurmountable, threat to US and allied Forces in South Korea, Japan, and Guam." I haven't really been following the Air Force's Agile Combat Employment (ACE) concept but it sounds like they intend on rotating the location of the aircraft to make it a more complex problem for China.
As a military aviation enthusiast, if you think the J20 is bad for stealth because it has canard wings, then you're just a superficial news reader.
Thanks for the insight ! Awesome.
As somebody that worked on the F35 design, focused mostly on the helmet and the various sensor inputs. I absolutely love that the F35 is forgotten about, hopefully by our enemies too. The F35 is much deadlier with its EW, networking, capability to act as a mini-AWACS, and capability to guide in munition fired by other air, sea, and land platforms.
It might be forgotten about, except that people keep bringing it up.
Yea could be an hidden advantage if the adversaries think of it as a less formidable air superiority fighter not knowing it's capabilities can turn the tides of modern air wars.
It would be a Chinese Turkey shoot for the F35. The Chinese wouldn't stand a chance.
@@johnnys4782 dont forget PAFwould be fighting alongside the chinese with their formidable jf17s
The awacs is goated. Serves the biggest purpose and no one gives it the respect it deserves.
I loved the 15 Eagles. When I was at Ft.Leonard Wood in the Ozark Mountains we would watch the F15e’s flying around and sometimes at almost eye level
Even though I was active-duty Air Force for almost 14 years I initially entered the service as an Army National guardsman when I was still in high school. Was a combat engineer and did all my training during that time. Ft. Leonard Wood was my training base. I had nightmares for years after, would have dreams I'm back in that cattle truck meeting my drill Seargent's for the first time. It's an experience you never forget. Separated 2 years later then eventually went into the Air Force. Don't regret the change since my family has a history with the Air Force.
j-20 is not an interceptor, it is an air dominant. it has more range, payload, modern stealth and can do enemy airspace penetration role. its avionics are actually much more advance than f-22. in fact it can control up to 10 drones simultaneusly
Another great analysis from a pro. Thanks Max!
You got it!
As an ex-Air Force guy, totally agree.
Why is it that average folks get so locked into the fine details and the specifications of comparing and contrasting military equipment from different countries? What they should focus on when it comes to decisive advantage is how long of a period the given technology has been developed, modified, and perfected, as is the case with the United States and stealth technology in general. F-117 Nighthawk, cleared with full operational capabilities in late 1983. 1983-2024 = 41 years It's been more than 41 years, probably closer to 45, since the U.S has invested in stealth technology, churning out the F-117, B-2 Spirit, F-22 Raptor, and the F-35 Lightning. If America has the capacity to create and field 4 separate jets, in different classes by the way, what makes you think we don't have the ability to reverse engineer or retrace our steps when it comes to accomplishing the complete opposite, on the flip side, to gain the capacity to read other stealth jet signatures on our radars with pinpoint accuracy? If we are the inventors and creators of a given technology and are easily a generation ahead maybe 2 generations, we should also be ahead in this category = defeating enemy stealth. The U.S maybe moving away from stealth and going into a completely different direction technology wise so what does that tell you?
Thank you. YT showed me your channel, thumbnail and title got the click, you earned the like and subscribe. BTW Lucky you getting to drive that incredible super model muscle car fighter, the F-15.
On 16 March 2022, a F35 was intercepted by a J20 without detecting the J20.
The Ferris wheel firework is trying to use back to front covers 😂
Gotta say Max, this is one of the best channels I watch because growing up the F-15 Eagle was my favorite jet! It's like a pit- bull compared to the rest of the fighter jets.
Hey thanks! Yeah it’s a solid jet 💪
@@MaxAfterburnerusa yes sir, your welcome
Ryan, after my wife initial slightly lengthy post, had a couple of questions for you: how do you think J-20 would fare against SM-3 from AEGIS cruisers or missiles from Patriot batteries? If it got into a turning fight with F-15’s & 16’s?
Not Ryan, but I think the SM-3 isn’t designed to target aircraft.
Hi! Will try to work this into future videos! Thanks for watching!
What does your wife have to do with any of this??
@@UnCannyValley67
His wife wants to know what it will take to get rid of him. Insurance of course. 😂
J-20 Task saturation dealing with 4th gen threats will certainly be leveraged by the F-22 and the PLAAF know this. They're already working on a 2-seat variant, quite possibly to address the workload for implementation of loyal wingman drones. But as we're seeing, the PLAAF are engaging in both a quantitative and qualitative strategy to overwhelm the theatre of operations in a blitzkrieg effort. Sustained high-intensity offensives are not part of their military philosophy. The J-20 is a missile truck interceptor. The RCS is optimized for frontal obfuscating only. Good assessment on your part.
Nice presentation mate, I enjoyed it..
12:13 OK, this guy don't know what he is talking about. F35s didn't see the J-20 is coming at the Japanese sea 6 months ago.
Shhh how dare you😂 it must be some fake news!!
“It's Not The Plane, It's The Pilot.”
Rooster
Great content, thanks!
Only in movie. If your enemy aircraft is superior in everything by far, even if the su-57 isn't flown by ace pilot, maverick & rooster F-14A can't do much except for the sucker punch taking down the front unsuspecting Su-57 with gun.
Jay! while I was watching the contact TG simply crossed my mind, that reference. And you know what? Its a movie reference. So Jay....please its good to sometimes pull that stick @ut of your @ss, and approach things with a grain of salt or perhaps simply less serious. So J-Wong, I'd love to have a sit-down sometime and take a more serious approach, if you're up for it. Cheers! @@jayjay53313
I love the tease for the end of the video in every video 😂😂 "Hang around until the end of the video where I give you all the details about the KY 58 encryptor at the end of the video" LOL thanks Ryan ... I just wanted to relax for 15 minutes, not to get added to a watch list!
Thanks for the comparison, Ryan. I was recently looking at the combination of F-15 EX, F-16, F-35, and F-22... Damn, a whole lot of air to air and air to ground power combined. Cheers from Seattle! 🍻
Mate, I love your content and accent! Love from Australia
I heard the J-20 was upgraded with new WS-15 engines.
Since China keeps everything secret about their stealth 5th generation jets,
how do you know about the J-20 radar/maneuver capabilities?
How do you know what Chinese pilots can or can't do?
For sure they don't know how to drive...clueless, therefore, they can't maneuver a jet😂😂😂
and you know everything about the f-22? no you don't so 🤫
I guess that is what spies are for. If a pilot dosent get enough flight time he won't be proficient in his craft.
It's just his opinion and speculation. Of course there's a lot of bias on his part and he's also American. So he's got that arrogance about him.
@@thetreekeeper143 the F22 was upgraded again. The J20 is not as good but ITE there. The F22 would win in an engagement because of pilot training.
I was at an air show with two F22s. I had a chance to speak with the pilots. I asked them what the top speed was. They told me, and I quote, “officially, about Mach 2.3”. I asked them what “officially” meant, in terms of all kinds of capabilities, not just speed. They just shook their heads and laughed. I’m not saying that the F22 is the end point of all jets, whether it be air dominance, close ground support, whatever. But it is the best air superiority fighter in the world. By a long margin. And we’re already making the replacement. It’s no loss, since the F15 is already the second best fighter in the world.
Officiall Top speed Mach 2.3 is not sometings difficult. that is one of F22's design spec. Actually it could fly even faster but the pilote can't hold that for too long. J20A using WS-15 under testing now could over Mach 2.2 easily this is a standard requirement for a real fifth Genreation fighter jet , Su 57 is little bit slower with type 30 engine it could reach Mach 2.0.
J20A is design more favourable on supersonic maneuverable and Su 57 is better on subsonic maneuverable. similar to Typhoon and Refane. F22 is strong on both aspect. F22 still the number one on the earth by so far we know, but it is not unbeatble. J20A and Su57 are rebalance the power just like Su35 and J10C compare to F15 and F16.
Now days USFA is more prefer F15E as they are more economic, it could do well on both air and ground. Same logic as PLAAF want to stop manufacturing all type of fighter jet (j10 & J11 and JH7 series but only remain J16 &J16D and J20. Inflation is not only killing economy but also affact the air force deeply. Things kill F22 may not form it's competitor but cost-efficiency ratio.
@@ZiruoDong-nx7ojtop speed is only relevant in regards to how quick an aircraft can get to the fight. None of the aircraft you mentioned are going to do anything more than incremental maneuvering at supersonic speeds, for one, the pilot would pass out from G forces; second, the airframe would snap in half from those same G forces. Dogfighting between jet aircraft occurs at a maximum of around 400 knots. Getting to the fight faster also comes with the loss of time on target or time in the fight, as speed comes at the expense of additional fuel burn.
But what aircraft has 108 kills now since the Israeli war started with zero losses?
@@mikesuch9021 I give up, which one? The F 15 only has 104.
I can understand building the next gen fighter but to retire the F-22 would be retarted considering it’s one of only a 4-5 fifth gen aircraft and the 2 Russian ones don’t even count because the Su-75 isn’t prolly nothing more than a mock-up and they only have like 21 Su-57s with only 10-11 of those being combat capable and even then I wouldn’t count those two or Chinas two fifth gens true fifth gens but rather 4+ or 4++ gen!! I think the best one other than Americas is the one China skipped over but is now picking up for its naval fighter. Iirc they call it the j-35 now but better known as the fc-31, I think it’s much better than the j-20 imo!! But out of 6 fifth gen fighters 4 of them we don’t even know the true capabilities and they may just be paper tigers. South Korea has a nice airframe but it’s not a 5th gen yet either due to no internal weapons bay which they are supposed to add in maybe the block 2 variant iirc or may be block 3 because I know the first ones off the line were air to air only then they added air to ground capabilities but still haven’t added internal weapons bay so while we are designing sixth gen and a couple of other programs might be able to skip fifth gen and go straight to sixth (like the British-Japan entry, or the Germany-France and all those countries entry) the rest of those programs that’s advertised to be sixth gen will prolly truly just be fifth gen and besides none of them were built specifically as an air superiority like the f-22 so I think it should always have a place in our fleet as escort to the f-35s and f-15s/16s/18s!!
Very graphical depiction of the fight from both sides! Especially that part which Raptor stops mid air to take aim!
excellent show. It is one of the best military show so far I have ever seen: fact based. Good job. Hope u will do more shows other than airplane, such as nave, missiles, tanks, etc
It is important to put the likely engagement in context. The fight will be between the China mainland and Japan. Both sides will have ground and air surveillance, command and control. Both planes will have their radars turned off. Both will be on comms with the CC.
So in reality, it is the ground and AWAC radar that spot the fighters first. Both fighters will have fire and forget missiles with onboard seekers. Both fighters will also have Gen4 fighter support who have the same missiles and same link to CC.
The one advantage the J20 has is the build-in IR sensor. The J20 will see the F22 when they are about 100km apart. The other is the PL10 with the targeting helmet, if it works as described it has a no escape zone within visual range and can fire off bore, the planes don't have turn or point to lock and fire. The F22 lacks both today.
The other factor will be a large number of ships with SAMs in the same area. It will be a very complicated engagement area.
that's an excellent point ! the whole are will be saturated with radar from multiple point with ground radar systems scattered all over man made islands in china sea + from mainland china all along the coast + AWAC. in this kind of theater of operation "stealth" won't be a big factor. you will be seen.
the aim 120D has double the range of the missile he's using as a reference. It's exact range isn't disclosed, so he can't even talk about it. But it's presumed to be around 100 mile range on the Aim-120D based on certain details the manufactorer has said. you're correct about the IR Targeting pod...but the F-35's it will be flying with will, and the data link interconnect will allow the F-35 to target things that the F-22 can't, and give them a firing solution.
@@ExarchGaming It is physics, the PL15 is physically a long missile because of the amount of propellant it carries. The J20 appears to designed around the missile. The AIM120 or260 to likely match the Chinese missiles. Both the F22 and F35 is limited by weapons bay length so it will have to be a fatter missile. I don't think it will be a problem, just a matter of time for a working example. But at this very moment the PLAAF has the advantage.
The firing solution will most likely be provided by ground based or AWAC radars because this radars are far more larger and more sensitive. Last I heard the F22 will be upgraded but will not have all the abilities of the F35 systems. End of the day, it will come down to strategy and tactics, as both sides have similar capabilities. Of course the ability protect these radars and to replenish loses would be critical.
Wrong, the F22 and F35 both have built in IR sensors, heck even the new F18 Super Hornets have IR sensors. The US was the first to develop and deploy the system. Both would detect the J20 long before the J20 could detect either aircraft. Also, F22/F35 can fire off bore, firing off bore is kind of necessary to maintaining air to air superiority. It wouldn't be very complicated at all, both F22/F35 would jam missiles, SAMS, and other defenses and along with a follow up of F18's and F15s would demolish China air defenses and their rocket force. Also, the long-range missiles of China aren't really different than the cruise missiles and rockets stockpiled by the Houthis of which they possess 150k of them. The F35 has demonstrated the ability to easily intercept cruise missiles which is a terrifying ability to have as it completely negates China's rocket force. The encounter would go very much like "Desert Storm" with the difference being that the US would expend far more firepower to get the job done. And while China's missiles are being intercepted, China would see "The four Horsemen of the Tomahawkaplyse", as four US Ohio class submarines would surface and fire 600 plus tomahawk cruise missiles to absolutely destroy nearly everything China has.
@@cubed0724 Amazing. You seem to know more about US weapons than the US military. The F22 and F18 has IRST pods, not built-in. Most Chinese and Russian airforce fighters have built-in IRST because it was the Russian who first started putting them in production, and they also have off-bore firing and helmet targeting as well. Cruise missile, especially the subsonic variety like the Tomahawk are useful for attacking terrorist or weak countries, like you said they are easy to intercept and destroy.
And Houthi missiles are the same as Chinese missiles, great insight. I guess, the Houthi have S400 defense systems as well and ICBM, probably hiding a space station and spaceplanes with nuclear warheads. You should be working for Jane Defense publications or even the Pentagon, you certainly know more than they do.
Everyting is base on the assumption that J20's CRS is four or five times bigger that F35 or F22. Assumed that is correct, as jets form USFA are more advance on the steath technology. However there are still few factos may affact the result and these elements are keep changeing form J20 it still keep upgrading on new version.
The exist J20 is using WS-10C which only provide improved thrust of 142 kilonewtons, or by sacrifice durability it could reach 152-155 kilonewtons. So not comparable with F22 's speed as F119 procide 156 kN with overall Thrust-to-weight ratio max to 9.0:1. The new engine on J20 just start teseting at June 2023 which is WS-15 it's orginal engine will give its power to 177 kilonewtons. it provide Thrust-to-weight ratio: 9.7:1-10.87:1. It will perfect match it's orginal desgin provide the supercruise and supersonic maneuverable. Same for Su57 using ALF-41 (Upgrade 117S) was starting using Saturn izdeliye 30 engines last year.
Another factor is the exist J20‘s AESE rader using the more advance tech with more than 2000T/R (it's new version could reach 2200T/R) compare with F22's APG-77 only have1676T/R. J20’s new middle and long range missile PL15 & PL21 also have some new advance technology (better homing and longer range). of course F22 is facing a new upgrade on it's rader and missil. these interesting software competition will keep running.
Generally it very hard to assume the F22 could beat J20 easily. Every jet need to work with it's own air force system with other assest's support. E.g Su57 is more powerful at it's own land with local system support when they are defence. it's like a 40 years only man facing a 20 years only man. By the time moving things change. the USFA don't rely on that 170 F22 to hold it's technology advantage on fighter jet comparsion, as they are short of number and difficult to update. J20 (WS10C) version has over 200 just in 5 years from 2017. The more J20A (WS-15) the complete version is coming. Except the CRS on stealth(need to confirm on the war) j20 is desgin to compare with F22 on all technical specifications.
USFA are investing on the six generation fighter. before that time come, it using F35 just like F16 a larger number of scale to balance the power with increasing number of J20.
Right now there's a lot of speculation about the engines. The F119 is . Some believe it was shortsighted to shut down General Electric's YF120 as a second source, which could have been the first adaptive cycle engine in production. It was considered more advanced than the YF119, but came with risks using a novel design. However, this was over 30 years ago, and so far China hasn't come with anything as good as what GE or Pratt had decades ago.
And the big thing is that the F-22 is just one piece. The other is the F-35 along with all the allies that the United States has.
Another issue is the rampant speculation about the performance of US aircraft and missiles. The speculative information that we have is likely not accurate.
Glad you're back Sporticus ! I was a great fan of Lazytown !
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5:22 The J-20's 28,000-pound payload includes externally mounted weapons. Regarding internal capacity, it carries 4 PL-15 BVR missiles and two PL-10 IR missiles, which is less than the F-22's 6 AMRAAMS and 2 Sidewinders.
@@jack99889988 Hey, man, I'm only here to clarify a small point in the video. It said the J-20 can carry more individual missiles and weight, but it did not specify that it has to be in a non-stealth profile.
@@jack99889988 Not Chinese doctrine to stick around. But to fire off their payload of missiles even though its smaller than F-22 in stealth configuration and return home. Chinese like Soviet/Russian doctrine is about suppression of enemy air assets not necessarily about killing them. Since forcing your enemy into defensive maneuvers keeps them from completing their mission. Chinese doctrine at according to their own white papers, is for their planes to launch from inland bases out of range of US/Allied weapons and be able to spam their payload in and around Taiwan then RTB. So its not about out ranging US/Allied air assets but making sure their air fields are out of range of enemy assets. Which shows how well thought out the concept of Chinese doctrine is, by acknowledging US/Allied strengths and accounting for them.
@@jack99889988reason why russia and China have fighters that carry so much more fuel than US fighters is because, russias and chinas air to air refueling capability is compete horse shit lol. US even has hundreds of air to air tankers while russia has maybe at best, a few dozen and China has at best a few dozen. Russia and China cannot rely on air tankers to refuel like the US can. US fighters, even the F16 with only around 45 min to 1.2 hours of fuel. Can stay airborne for hours on end.
@@nexpro6118 Right, China has around 31 tankers, for now.
@@nexpro6118 Air tankers are an extremely vulnerable asset in the air and on the ground. Its never been easier to hit an airfield and you don't need an air force to do it.
my understanding is radar cross section won't be a big advantage if the area of operation is saturated with radar from different directions. yes if F-22 is pointing at you it will have small RCS but the source of radar isn't limited to one direction. the chinese have radar station scattered all over the China sea on man made islands + powerful ground radar station all along the coast of mainland china + radar aircrafts from the air (AWAC) + radar from war ships. that whole area will be saturated with radar from so many point of view! i don't think F-22 will stay "stealthy" in this situation, it will be seen. yes F22 coming at you will have RCS but if the radar's are looking at it from multiple directions from the sky, ground and sea i dont think it will stay "stealthy" . i might be wrong. hopefully he makes video about this topic.
It's one thing to be able to see the raptor, it's an entirely different story to get a weapon's grade lock.
He cannot discuss the consequence of this scenario because it is too close to the realty and too damaging
Wouldn't the USAF destroy the chinese land (island) based radars with B-2 Spirits and B-21 Raiders in a conflict scenario??
@@marcoschagas9646
The United States did not attack Chinese territory in 1950. Do you want a nuclear war in 2024?
Thanks Ryan, nice info.
Masterful briefing 👏
J-20 followed the future combat role envisioned by the YF-23 with big wings, high speed, big payload, and ability to control drone wingmen. F-22 was envisioned as a super F-15 that need to dogfight Su-27
Air Force picked F-22 because they couldn’t see how YF-23’s role would be relevant 20 years in the future but China did hence J-20. And we can see China made the right call because Japan’s 6th gen and Air Force’s own NGAD are both more YF-23 than F-22
Except that 20 years is gone and no longer relevant. The 6th Gen is more than likely in the air already and the f-22 is still top dog in air to air by all standards.
J20 can control 4 sets of FH97A
That kind of thinking is outdated. The theater of warfare has changed. An F22 can lock on a J20 and a B1 can fire a missile from the complete opposite direction and possibly take out the intended target. The Chinese plane move to intercept where the missile came from and then the F22's can come in from behind and blow them out of the sky. There is a term for this, and its the premise the F22 was built under, its called a Force Multiplier Weapon System while being an Advanced Tactical Air Supperiority Fighter.
High speed.....did you skip the part where he mentioned how the J20 isn't exactly a speed racer???
F22 was chosen because the other company (who developed the YF23) had a reputation of always going WAY over budget and having MASSIVE delays.
Great analysis as always! I always wonder why most of the western made fighters dont have trust vectors! could for example f16 be built with a trust vector engine? Thanks again for a very informative video!
Answer is basically, it's very cool for doing maneuvers at airshows, but you lose 100% of your energy when you do it. It's kind of like a cheap shot in a fight, it might get you a temporary advantage in a 1 on 1 fight, but you're going to immediately lose to the next guy and since the U.S. air doctrine is one of overwhelming force, it's much more advantageous to encourage pilots to save the plane than it is to get the kill. It's actually the stupidest and most superfluous part of the F-22. It's awesome, but it's also dumb. Missiles will always be more maneuverable than planes anyway, so getting a quick advantage in a gun-fight doesn't seem terribly useful.
The air frame would have to be re enforced substantially to be able to handle thrust vectoring. It's also a single engine plane so the effect of thrust vectoring would be much less than a twin engine plane, but really that's more towards air show maneuvers than actual combat type stuff
It could be adapted to the F-16, but it would cost alot of money. One of the main ideas about the F-16 is that it's a relatively cheap 4th gen. fighter, so you don't want to make it expensive. And, considering all the engineering and costs that would go into adding thrust vectoring, you might as well just make a new airplane. Considering the thrust to weight ratios of the F-16, it would give it quite the advantage in a turn-and-burn, especially considering it's already shown it's more manueverable than missles.
TV, like anything else, has tradeoffs. Yes, you have greater maneuverability, but you also have increased weight, increased complexity, increased maintenance, increased cost, and the possibility of jamming off center. What do you do if the TVC jams in an off center position?
@@markymarknj Has that happened with the F-22?
Cool video, I like your insight too, it's interesting to hear from a veteran pilot. I'm getting some Top Gun bravado vibes too,😂 nice.👍 Great video.
I’ll never forget those cattle trucks. Packed in like sardines so tight that you didn’t have to lift you barracks bag because it was against the soldier in front of you, lol. The drill Sgts got me directly after getting in line for talking. Don’t have to tell u what happened next because you know.
Wondering what you think about adapting the F-22 bays to carry the new Peregrine Missile. Since F-22 can't be detected at long ranges, it's not actually a big deal that it doesn't have 120 mile standoff capability. It's actually a detriment, because if you're getting locked at 120 miles and you can't see what's locking you, you have half a chance of triangulating the location of that stealth plane, but if the first thing RWR warning you get is a peregrine dropping down on you from orbit, who the hell knows where the sneaky bastard might be, anyway, you'll be floating down in your parachute before you know it anyway.
Peregrine is much smaller than AMRAM and has roughly the range of AMRAM C I think, which is what F-22 was designed to operate with in the first place, which makes perfect sense, given you can't see the F-22 until it's right on top of you, a medium range Fox-3 is all you need. You don't need a telephone pole for the same reason that an assassin doesn't need a giant battle axe. If they seem you coming, you've already failed, so much better to have a bunch of little knives to do the stabby stabby.
Peregrine is much smaller and much cheaper than AMRAM, so each F-22 can bring down a lot more enemies per sortie as well.
Thoughts?
AIM 260
@@fjalics AIM 260 is the long range stand-off, but my point is, does stealth need long range stand-off? If they can't shoot you until they get to Fox 2 range anyway, why do you need to have fox 3s that can take them out at 120 miles? Wouldn't it be much better to carry a greater number of medium range missiles which still give you a WEZ that is safely within your stealth envelope? Use AIM 260 on your bomb trucks like F-15 EX and Super hornet and have your stealths flying ahead of them to mow the grass.
It would seem even more appropriate for naval F-35s to be able to carry a loadout of say, 10 - 18 medium range Peregrines rather than a measly 4 AMRAMS or AIM 260s. There are almost no scenarios where you would need to shoot down an enemy at greater range than you would have time to sneak up and intercept using stealth and in those few rare times where that might be necessary, just send the super hornet anyway. It's a faster plane. Faster plane = longer range missile regardless.
There is one thing he doesn't go in to, for some reason; is that seeing a stealth target doesn't mean you can lock it and get a shot off. To get a weapons grade lock on a target as stealthy as the F-22 you've got to get as close as like 25 miles or something like that, well within the AIM-120's envelope....the Aim 120A. The range increase for the Aim-120D isn't publically disclosed IIRC. But it's presumed to be around 100-110 miles, which puts it just below the PL-15, in range.
My guess is he can't talk about that, so he's using the specifics from the AIM-120C not the version we use now, since those are publically disclosed.
@@ExarchGaming That's what I was saying. By the time you can even get a radar lock on F-22, you're practically in Fox-2 range, utterly negating whatever advantage you might have by carrying longer range missiles.
PL-15 is only dangerous to undefended AWACS and B-52s. Even Super hornet is low observable. F-22 and F-35? Forget it, you'll never seen them until you're on top of them.
That's why I say, you don't need a stand-off weapon for F-22, a greater number of medium range missiles would be superior to a lesser number of longer range missiles, so long as your medium range missile is ranged well within your stealth envelope. Stealth envelope being the range at which you can detect and lock the enemy, but they cannot detect and lock you back.
Public Data would suggest F-22 can track and lock J-20 at around 20-25 miles, J-20 can lock F-22 at under 18 miles. That's not a great envelope and probably if both had AWACS support, they'd have a clue about where the other is, but again, my point is, why are you carrying missile fuel with you that you aren't going to use. Carry less fuel, more explosives.
One of the interesting stories I read recently was of a F-22 pilot sneaking in from below and beyond aggressor aircraft (also US aircraft) without being detected, listening to the radio chatter between the pilots of the pair of aggressor pilots wondering where the Raptor was, keying his own radio from their sixes and basically said here I am from a position where he could have easily splashed both...
This was likely when an F-22 intercepted Iranian F-4s and was stealthy enough to fly under them and check their load out before telling them to go home.
Uhuh uhuh
very arogant to call the world partners agressors when it is the US operating on the literal opposite side of the planet
Did that Iranian pilot go home or he decided to test the American resolve?@@kyledabearsfan
A US general had the same experience on his F35 in the SCS. Where a J-20 was a his tail for a long time. He notice until he saw it as the the J20 fly beside his F35.
There was an interviewed on youtube abt this.😊😊😊
I worked in NDI/JOAP Lab-at Nellis AFB. Everything TB did was practice. The hand shakes, everything.
Hey Max afterburner can you do a video about what kind of aircraft we would Come up against in a conflict against Iran?
Great video and great break down! One question though... how would the AIM 260 change your comparison of these two fighter jets? From what I gather the AIM 260 should be in production by the end of the year. How much of a difference would this make? I would think they would decisively hand the upper hand to the F-22 in BVR. Thoughts?
What I want to know as well. From all I hear about the AIM 260 it definitely sounds like a different beast all together. Think any Raptors carrying that will outrage almost anything
America already has a 7th Gen fighter
America already has a 7th Gen fighter
Here's the thing that most so called, "aircraft internet experts" always miss.....they say how Russia and China have all of these super long range air to air missiles....however, Russian and Chinese radars can yes, detect and track from a massive distance (against non stealth aircraft) but detection and track is not the same as, weapons grade lock track....non stealth aircraft (Russian and Chinese radars) can get a weapons grade lock at just 60 miles, for stealth aircraft, Russian and Chinese radars get a weapons grade lock at 25 miles lol. By then, their (russia and china) fighters have been shot at/shot down by the US fighter. US aircraft/fighters have the hardware/software for its radars to where it can send a MASSIVE amount of energy to its radar which is what helps give it the much longer range for a weapons grade lock compared to, Russian and Chinese radars. Russian and Chinese engines for their Fighters cannot produce enough energy and cooling power for their radars. China uses Russian 1980s fighter engines even for their newest fighters, like the J20. China does produce their own WS 10 fighter engine, but that engine is way under powered and cannot produce enough energy for the radar and not enough cooling power to their radars...China is currently working on their WS 15 fighter engine for the J20 but that engine is still in test phase and only put on the J20 test bed aircraft. The WS 15 engine is also having massive reliability and dependably issues. The WS 15 has to be replaced already at just 200 hours of use. Lmao. That said, that means, twice every 12 month period, China has to replace the WS 15 engines in their aircraft. In war time, having to replace/produce so many engines on a constant basis is set up for disaster obviously. The Readiness rates for the J20 will be so horrible to where China won't be able to effectively use em.
@@klankles sorry that you had to actually read something lol. Maybe you can do some more reading and do some research on that device we all have that grants us all an endless supply of free information on anything we want....instead of you using said device for porn. Lol 😂
The comparison, practically, misses the point a bit. The big challenge is that China is increasing serial production cadence. They're producing 120 J-20 per year. They already have 250 in inventory. So in a fight for Taiwan, how many handfuls of F-22 can the U.S. really bring to bear? Just how much better does the F-22 and pilot have to be? Remember, we'll be fighting literally in China's backyard, literally with logistics an ocean away for us.
I have a feeling when the shooting starts, it'd be much more about the F-35 as controller for robotics assets. That's how we exceed mass for mass, exceed capability for capability.
Interesting point thanks!
They are making a lot!
Well this is a hypothetical. In real combat, every other plane in the fleet, plus support AWACS and other craft will be involved. Including F-35's. Not to mention, none of those numbers are real, those are entirely unfounded Chinese claims, with no real world proof. China was building housing faster than ever with Evergreen, and it turned out unfinished and empty facades that were lies the whole time. Like everything with China, it's a paper tiger propped up by propaganda. Logistics are also not an ocean away, they are in Japan, Philippines and various other parts of the First Island Chain. One of our largest air force bases the world over, is right in Japan.
It is very ignorant to think that the United States will go to war with China for Taiwan
Great content. The J20 actually looks more like the YF23. Northrop really hit it out of the park with the Blackwidow.
Thanx for the info.
I still firmly believe the YF-23 should be put into production.
I agree if they still have all the production information.
Love the F23 but let's be honest the tech is over 2 decades old. Best put the effort into 6th gen.
F-22 is still at an advantage as it has a smaller RCS as well as higher altitude and speed capabilities as these two factors also play their role while employing BVR missiles, secondly AIM-120D-3 bridged the range gap that was previously created by dual pulsed PL-15, also AMRAAM is comparably light weight so it can travel more distance even in terminal phase. But one thing which is not much known about both of these jets is their EW, which also plays a crucial role in today's BVR combat. WVR is one sided between these two as F-22 has an ultimate edge.
correct me if am wrong but my understanding is that YES F 22 has smaller RCS if it coming at you but the chinese have radar scatter on man made islands all over the china sea, from multiple point of view. they have radar from air ground and sea from so many radar sources i dont think "smaller RCS" will be a factor. one on one yes but with that whole area saturated with radar.
@@mattayele1906 I dont think that is how radars work.
@@itsmederek1 how does it work?
@@mattayele1906 The main persistent advantage of stealth technology isn't being completely undetectable. It's being undetectable enough that you can't be locked with a targeting radar. Low frequency (and thus low resolution) radars already do a decent job of detecting stealth aircraft but they don't provide the necessary resolution to actually be able to accurately guide a missile to it. Knowing a jet is roughly in an area isn't good enough.
@@craigcrissman4651 i get that but that assertion revokes depth or complexity of what "stealth" is. if you look at the raptor 180° from behind (directly at the engines exhaust) or 90° from the bottom... i doubt it will be any stealthy at all. stealth is not linear its highly dependent on the location of radar vs angle of aircraft. amongst many other things of course like distance, Electronic Protection Systems, Parallel alignment and so on. my take is, if area of operation is saturated by radar from different angles then "stealth" is negated, and you will have weapons grade lock.
Awesome video!
You forgot to mention the the J-20’s engine run time before substantial rebuild is only 15-20% of the F-22.
It makes me sleep well at night knowing we in the United States are protected by the F 22 raptors.
It’s a team effort with lots of different aircraft supporting each other. The best part is that the United States has allies willing to join the fight. China and Russia don’t really have friends willing to put their lives on the line in their defense.
You bet!
@@ypw510
If Russia and China are playing then I can assure you no one want to join that fight even if they are with the US, Chinese tech especially in aerospace and missiles is in completely different level than US allies, even US is behind China in missile tech not to mention a very fast catch up with the US tech in all other fields, as US said chances that China will catch up with the US is very high by 2030, just look around you US is dragged into multiple wars while China is watching from afar and building itself very fast, that's why US is getting crazy, If Russia won the war it is game over for EU, adding that US is creating more enemies than China
@@ahmadalastal5303
That’s an odd take. China has zero friends willing to provide military aid. The US has numerous allies, including many countries buying military equipment.
@ahmadalastal5303 the whole not being in wars around the planet thing all the time is the largest disadvantage China has. It's "completely different level" tech is not battle tested nor proven in multi domain warfare and the uncertainty of your kit not working as it is intended when it needs to is the deadliest thing on the battlefield. When your shit doesn't work and you don't have contingency because you didn't bring it because you didn't know the parameters that cause failure you are going to die. The last thing you want is to bring dead weight to battle full stop.
With all the respect sir, few things you need put into the equation, even if j20 current radar cross section is large compare to f22, but the detection systems on j20s was 30 years newer than f22s and its still keep update with some crazy refresh rate that can even the detection rage if not batter than f22, that not even consider the battle environment that is likely happens close to Chinese shore that support by batter AWACS to j20s. Also, If j20 with it complete form with update WS-20 engines, some says it can take up to march 2.7. And for the dog fight, both them has over the shoulder lunch Fox2s j20 even Fox3s, so I don't quite understand how your energy bleed theory stand, seems the F22 with two way TV nozzle beed much more quicker energy than convectional nozzle, that why Chinese don't want TV on their Su30s but Indian lost so many of them, if you think canard is bad for dog fight just drive your f16 dog fight a Rafale or even j10c see what happens
Fascinating. As so often is the case, it comes down to pilot skill and understanding of your plane’s strength and weaknesses vis-à-vis your enemy and how to manage the interaction to your advantage.
Also, the old joke about Asian drivers. It's a similar case with pilots.
Thanks ryan for your clear analysis that a layman like me can understand 👍🏻
You got it! Glad you are here 👍
I am Chinese. As far as I know, there are only 10 J20s, not the 250 that are circulated on the Internet.
That’s true. Actually 90 percent of the DDs in PLA navy are models as well.
Assuming what he said is true that J-20 has a much larger radar detection area than F22, and J-20 can not detect F-22 before the opposite, but at least it can see all the 4th gen fighters in the air like F15/F16 etc, why can't it just launch its missiles from a longer range and go back home? What exactly can you do about it?
Nice video brother 👍
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MISSILE QUESTION: Aircraft structural requirements aside, can the burn time of our American missiles be made longer by making the missile longer giving more space for propellant or does it take a virtually clean sheet design to engineer longer flying missiles???
The AIM 260 is in testing and will be coming out I read and could be as early as next year. It's a 2-stage missile with a huge range. They are also building other new air to air missiles.
We have to see if the new missiles will fit in the weapons bay.
The question here is, can you give small air to air or air to ground missiles little booster motors that fall off when they are burned out like they do with the big space rockets? Or can you drop slower flying loitering munitions with extendable wings from a fighter jet?
Why haven't air mines been invented? Balloon deployed ordinance that converts into missile and homes to anything that comes near to it.
One of my favorite explanation on quora:
"You can't just stuff an extra meter of propellant into the weapon bay. They are aircrafts, not pornstars."
Great job as always, Ryan. Your insight is world class.. I understand why the F-22 was canceled and the F-35 has gone into insane production number.. I just wish they hadn't closed down the F-22 line.. Even moreso, it sure would be cool if we keep flying the Raptor that the electronics would be upgraded, especially the helmet queuing system.. II also realize dogfighting is likely going to go the way of the doedoe, much as the human pilots inside the airframe likely will as well within a generation or two... The human body is absolutely the weakest physical link today.. But, I will forever cheer on the Raptor.. I put it in the SR/YF 71 category of the most amazing aircraft that have ever been built, way ahead of the rest.. I can't wait to see what might be coming next... Our strategy / doctrine with not just airpower, but overall, WILL massacre both China and Russia at the same time, if need be.. China runs on a similar framework as the russian military.. How's that going??? Got subs? How about aircraft carriers.. Generations of Navy and Marine men and now women have a long history operating carriers. China is still figuring out how to operate them with our stolen manuals around the time of the Oriskany...
Carriers are sitting ducks with today's missile technology
@@charlesanzalone5846 Literally tomorrow the 1MW lasers will shoot them down in under 0,1 sec.
Commercial lasers cut 10 1/2" holes in sheet metal per second, with 6KW of power.
Soon the defense will get stronger than offense. Happened many times in history.
And carriers have power to spare.
@@charlesanzalone5846 Yeah, I don't think so. An aircraft carrier doesn't travel by itself. It's called a carrier group. Many supporting vessels and planes. Subs, high altitude support, fighter jets, destroyers, frigates, satellites, and more. All armed with the most powerful, intelligent munitions in history. They are all operated by the world's most skilled military personnel. The human link is our strength, not a weakness. 🇺🇸
@@charlesanzalone5846 if thats the case then why china still builds carriers?
I wish the yf23 was adopted. That plane was a masterpiece imo. Beautiful plane
Nice comparison 💯 Neo, did you spend time/trained at Nellis AFB?
He was a Thunderbird. I mean - you haven't heard him mention that?
Other than being a Thunderbird, I was thinking what is the career route of an Air Force pilot. Is it definite to be trained at Nellis? And how does one get chosen for Red Flag?
The J-20 looks a lot like Boe's protitype when they were competing for the contract that eventually they lost to the xy-22 /F-22
What he doesn't mention is j20's reliability. If its using domestic engines theyre going to be in the shop after a relatively short amount of sortie time. Then theres the training, china is playing catch up against the US that has 80+ years of combat experience. Watching fight films and shadow boxing are all well and good until your up against a professional heavy weight who knows exactly how to use your weaknesses against you. I do hope US addreses the missile range discrepancy but perhaps that another reason they stopped producing them . NGAD most likely will address many of these shortcomings.
80+ years of experiences beating up small and weak countries with equipments at least 2 generations behind that basically post no threat to the pilots, while the best aa weapons they got are probably RPGs? Matter of fact, the F22 never really faced any real threats. Fighting large country with equivalent abilities to build their own weapons that are basically on par? is a whole different thing, if you are the pilot, knowing that you won't die VS knowing that you "might" die, is completely different, so you really can't count on those 80 years of experience.
a simple analogy would be playing racing simulators where one can do a 120mph turn recklessly knowing that worst case scenario is restart the game, but in a real car that can actually kill you, you probably won't even have the guts to do it at 60mph
Technically the US has 100 years of Air combat experience. Weve been flying since WW1. But yes 80+ years will do it. Since the mission and the battlefield is constantly changing so will the weapons. The US will make changes if not already, and NGAD for both the Navy and the Air force will give us a longer range more deadly fighter. With more than just up to date tech, since it will have tech that's classified no one will know about.
@@drzhangasounds like you got a serious problem then
Reminder that the J-20 in its current form lacks an internal gun.
they never planned to install one.
@@Wvk5zcthey did, it has a gun on the prototype and there is definitely space for it. But then they cancelled it
Why you need a gun, when you can shot a hypersonic missile 400 miles away.
Great jobs bro
As an ex-Airforce member and massive enthusiast of all military materiel and especially air forces and aircraft It was really informative and interesting to listen to listen to a person who KNOWS his SUBJECT-Thanking You!!!!!
I've never flown anything but even I can tell by how easy the F 22 handles that it would pown the J 20
If the J-20 gets in close, it will be outclassed by even the Super Hornet.
that "if" in reality is never going to happen. and that "if" defeats the purpose of air planes like J-20 exist.
@@cirruscloud7164 J-20
Junk
Model 20
@@cirruscloud7164 Well considering Taiwan is only 100 miles away from China the engagement is going to be allot closer than what the J-20 was designed for.
Cool Video and I am a new subscriber.
What was your call sign and how did you get appointed with that name ?
Was your 1900mph slip for the f22 an oopsy moment? After all you have spent lots of quality time with usaf pilots in your career
Most likely a mistake.With the speed he gave it would be moving at close to mach 3
@@robertstevenson5145 you never know with the yanks they dont brag like the chimese and russians after all the f117 was in service for close to a decade before it was announced to the public
The AIM-260 can't come soon enough.
the AIM-120 is already good enough to compete. He can't talk about the AIM-120D because it's still classified, but the range is assumed to be around 100-110 miles, the US has this habit of heavily understating their capabilities, while the russians and the chinese greatly overstate their capabilities.
So he's having to take the weakest version of the F-22 against the strongest version of the J-20 due to that habit.
@@ExarchGaming That and you have to understand like me he is no longer in the Air Force, doesn't have that security clearance so he doesn't have access to that information anymore. Well unless this guy is a test pilot for Lockheed Martin or works for them. Then he will know stuff he can't speak about.
It would be interesting to know which scenarios the would battle. Maybe at Taiwan, at open sea, China mainland, ot would greatly affect the outcome
Max, I have a question, in this video, you say that the F-22’s top speed is 1900 mph. I’ve read tons of articles that report its top speed is no higher than 1500 mph. Do you have info that they don’t? I certainly hope you do, that would be a great advantage. Also, go Thunderbirds, I have a 24” x 20” autographed photo that my brother got me at Nellis, flying the f-4 Phantom! I believe Ton Swalm, flew slot in that photo.
I'll put my money on the J-20.
J20 is superior
Lol😂
We’ll see! Let me know after you watch the video!
😂
How so? Explain your reasoning.
Autobots Inferior
It's nice to have lots of confidence. And hope that the optimism doesn't get you killed.
Love the video
Cool as Hell... I built the engines on F22 and my F35 all variations from scratch GKN
This is all just a bunch of conjecture, until either a J-20 pilot defects with one, or they make the mistake of going up against an F-35 operator, you wont really know... could turn out it is like comparing a mig to the F-15, or the other way around. Everything I have seen is that the Chinese are not honest about the physical build quality and technical capabilities of pretty much all of their military hardware
i appreciate how he actually acknowledges speed and agility matter even in 5th gen fighters. so many f35 fanboys just harp on none of that matters anymore yet every other 5th gen but the f35 has those attributes
It’s not a bus
From the sounds of the tactic with the J-20 it seems to compare with the hit and run tactics of the mig 21 during Vietnam
What was the RCS of the F-15 SE? I know I am off-topic but curious
Probably pretty big with 15 massive missiles hanging off of it.
I was at an airshow and got to see the YF-22 and YF-23 parked nose to nose before they decided on the winner. I was maybe 10 or 11. I’m 37 now.
Good video!!
Great video
Interesting take, especially with all the talk about the B-21 being a stealth missile truck. And the US also acknowledged they are in final development for a air to air missile that now has longer range than the Chinese counter parts
Why can't you believe what the BBC and CNN say? The Chinese are still fighting on horseback. How can they have airplanes? Don't be fooled by the CCP!
Thank you, brother. I am an old squid, but still dedicated. Be safe and have a wonderful day.
We have laws that the F22 or a variant of it can't be sold to other countries not even allies. That in itself should tell u everything u need to know. It's sad to see that it stopped being made. I mean if it's the best even if the cost is insane why not keep it going. Just saying
This focus on RCS is obsolete in the era of advanced thermal sensors. Even older IRST from Rafael jets like the Mirage can detect & track F-22s to around 35km range. Modern IRST from Russia has reportedly been able to track F-35 and F-22 in Syria at 70-80km. China recently developed quantum IRST, reportedly able to extend thermal detection of fighter-sized jets at over 150km.
When jets fly fast through the air, the friction generates a great deal of heat in on their surface and the air it contacts. There is no way to hide this heat signature from advanced sensors.
Also the US has the F35 which is still in active manufacturing and will be for the foreseeable future. The US is also developing their 6th gen fighter too.
Thank you for all of your hard work comparing these 2 aircraft, my bet is for the F-22 well of course right, again thank you....Polly!
Best for shooting balloon?
@@kd8597 Best for intercepting aliens given how the F22 still to this day has no equal and won't for decades to come.
I have a potentially stupid question. With a limited number of F-22's in the inventory, would it be in America's best interest to use as many "off the shelf" engines and avionics packages to build a non-dogfighting double delta wing, heavy lifting "missile & bomb truck" of an interceptor that can put as many missiles in the air as humanly possible to fly alongside of the F-22? I know that it's 1950's & 60's thinking. I'm just trying to figure a way to create as much chaos as possible on a budget.
Actual they are researching a truck drone. Basically a drone loaded with lots of missiles, controlled by the fighter. The fighter would fire the drones middles first, then sent it back for more, while conserving their own missiles.
Right now, the missile truck of choice is going to be the F-15 Eagle II capable of carrying some 20 missiles each and will be able to carry everything the Strike Eagle uses now. Looking at adding at least one squadron per year for the future.
@@chrissschwehr5911 I was thinking of something a little more stealthy with internal bays.
@@robertheinkel6225 It's a whole new battlefield now since AI and drones will be involved. In twenty years the world is going to be very different.
Wow great video my friend! Very well explained and to me personally , very respectfully well handled. Now this is just my opinion personally mind you,,,, that our country is a little too dependent on technology. What happens if or heaven forbid it fails us?