All tempo markings, metronome markings, dynamics, and most phrasing and articulation in the solo part and accompaniment are by Tibor Serly and not by Bartok. The complete facsimile was published in 1995 and should be consulted so that comments about the work are based on facts and not the usual nonsense posted on UA-cam and elsewhere.
Thanks so much for posting these videos! Very helpful! I was glancing through the comments below and whoever thinks this edition is not worth playing anymore is crazy! Bartok died before completing this concerto and his Third Piano Concerto. I found somewhere that Serly had actually taken the manuscripts without notifying any of the family but even so, when Ditta and Peter Bartok asked Kodaly to finish it he refused to do it. Plus, the way that the manuscript was written was in a short hand that probably only Bartok himself could possibly understand. Serly was also a student of Bartok for a short time. Yes, there are some differences in the editions, but Primrose, the violist who this concerto was written for, worked endlessly with Serly to come out with this edition. I say if Primrose was happy with the outcome then we all should be! Mozart didn't finish the Requiem but we still accept it as Mozart.
Your comments are full of inaccuracies. Serly was commissioned by the Bartok family since he was a former student of Bartok's and a valued friend and collegue in New York. He was also an outstanding composer, violist, and conductor. And i have the complete facsimile of the manuscript and it is not in shorthand or in any way unintelligible to a competent musician. Maybe you should check your facts before you post prejudicial and misleading false statements.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - Mr. Carpenter, wont you please publish and place online your edition of your fingerings and bowings! This is, as you know, a major work that is always requested for serious orchestral auditions. Every bit of help for all of us violist would be extremely and tremendously appreciated. THANK YOU!
May I ask how will the orchestra place the pizzicatos if you play the eb c b 16th passage that starts around the 3rd line as fast and sloppy as you play now?
after the edition of the manuscript a lot of years ago there is today no reason to keep anything of awful and full of mistakes edition of T.Serly - This is a bad unjustifiable so-called "tradition" today
Matthieu Becquart I would have to disagree- T. Serly not only was a phenomenal violist, but had an intimate knowledge of Bartok's writing style. They knew each and were close friends for over twenty years. We should be grateful that Serly was present in Bartok's lifetime to finish this work. Studying and performing the other versions of this Concertos are in my opinion not convincing...
for me, Serly's version is a mistake and the manuscript published is here to prove it - You know too few about the reality of hungarian refugees during UdSSR - I can understand you are under the "viola system establishment" pressure but I am not - That's why I have chosen to play the manuscript - Yes we disagree about this score but we are both free to play the one we have chosen - Best
Matthieu Becquart of course, I would love to perform the manuscript as well, but unfortunately Bartok never finished it. It was Bartok's intention to make a four movement Concerto-- so until I come across that one, I will continue to perform the Serly edition. Taking a few notes here or there from the manuscript will not overall impact the entire Concerto. For me, it is more important to play what is written on the score and not impose my own interpretation of tempi that is so often heard nowadays.
and if you are interested about the question, you could listen to Janos Starker's version - I believe he has at least the same legitimity about this score than Serly - This is of great interest concerning how to play the viola part which, according to me, has been hackneyed so much time and specially by some french violists - That's why I personnally tried to find a way to go away from this so-called "tradition"
the viola part is finished and exist enterely inside the manuscript - I have found a way to reorganise the socre in 4 movements and can send it to you if you are interested in - Of course it is only a personal proposal and has no other value than "personal"
All tempo markings, metronome markings, dynamics, and most phrasing and articulation in the solo part and accompaniment are by Tibor Serly and not by Bartok. The complete facsimile was published in 1995 and should be consulted so that comments about the work are based on facts and not the usual nonsense posted on UA-cam and elsewhere.
Thanks so much for posting these videos! Very helpful!
I was glancing through the comments below and whoever thinks this edition is not worth playing anymore is crazy! Bartok died before completing this concerto and his Third Piano Concerto. I found somewhere that Serly had actually taken the manuscripts without notifying any of the family but even so, when Ditta and Peter Bartok asked Kodaly to finish it he refused to do it. Plus, the way that the manuscript was written was in a short hand that probably only Bartok himself could possibly understand. Serly was also a student of Bartok for a short time. Yes, there are some differences in the editions, but Primrose, the violist who this concerto was written for, worked endlessly with Serly to come out with this edition. I say if Primrose was happy with the outcome then we all should be! Mozart didn't finish the Requiem but we still accept it as Mozart.
Your comments are full of inaccuracies. Serly was commissioned by the Bartok family since he was a former student of Bartok's and a valued friend and collegue in New York. He was also an outstanding composer, violist, and conductor. And i have the complete facsimile of the manuscript and it is not in shorthand or in any way unintelligible to a competent musician. Maybe you should check your facts before you post prejudicial and misleading false statements.
So helpful!! I really hope you do Walton eventually too, thanks!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - Mr. Carpenter, wont you please publish and place online your edition of your fingerings and bowings! This is, as you know, a major work that is always requested for serious orchestral auditions. Every bit of help for all of us violist would be extremely and tremendously appreciated. THANK YOU!
Viola Bear I want it too please!!!
Fantastic.
May I ask how will the orchestra place the pizzicatos if you play the eb c b 16th passage that starts around the 3rd line as fast and sloppy as you play now?
How awesome!!
Great maestro !!
Why do the same 12 people thumbs down everything?
THANK YOU
15:26 how the heck did he do that section so smoothly?!
Wow he shifted into 4th position and played it so easy
Listen to Tabea Zimmermann's version
@@camaellepierre-noel41627th position *****
Best Violist of this generation
after the edition of the manuscript a lot of years ago there is today no reason to keep anything of awful and full of mistakes edition of T.Serly - This is a bad unjustifiable so-called "tradition" today
Matthieu Becquart I would have to disagree- T. Serly not only was a phenomenal violist, but had an intimate knowledge of Bartok's writing style. They knew each and were close friends for over twenty years. We should be grateful that Serly was present in Bartok's lifetime to finish this work. Studying and performing the other versions of this Concertos are in my opinion not convincing...
for me, Serly's version is a mistake and the manuscript published is here to prove it - You know too few about the reality of hungarian refugees during UdSSR - I can understand you are under the "viola system establishment" pressure but I am not - That's why I have chosen to play the manuscript - Yes we disagree about this score but we are both free to play the one we have chosen - Best
Matthieu Becquart of course, I would love to perform the manuscript as well, but unfortunately Bartok never finished it. It was Bartok's intention to make a four movement Concerto-- so until I come across that one, I will
continue to perform the Serly edition. Taking a few notes here or there from the manuscript will not overall impact the entire Concerto. For me, it is more important to play what is written on the score and not impose my own interpretation of tempi that is so often heard nowadays.
and if you are interested about the question, you could listen to Janos Starker's version - I believe he has at least the same legitimity about this score than Serly - This is of great interest concerning how to play the viola part which, according to me, has been hackneyed so much time and specially by some french violists - That's why I personnally tried to find a way to go away from this so-called "tradition"
the viola part is finished and exist enterely inside the manuscript - I have found a way to reorganise the socre in 4 movements and can send it to you if you are interested in - Of course it is only a personal proposal and has no other value than "personal"
An incredible player but this also shows that great players don’t make great teachers