Ruri has a critical misunderstanding, it wasn't someone defending blizzard it was someone attacking 14 off of a bad faith argument of there being 601 items in the store. Someone came into HIS calm stream and tried to start shit and this was the end result not him spontaneously going off.
Part of the reason for Pyro's rant was the back and forth he had with MrGM who was trying to argue the Cash Shop and Mogstation were the same thing. But, the vast majority of stuff on the Mogstation is old event rewards, dyes (which you can get in the game anyway), and fantasia. There's some minions, mounts, and glamour that are in there, but they're not a ton better than what's in-game.
Unlike WoW's store which it feels they intentionally design mounts for to look better than earnable in-game mounts, not to mention the price of things like fantasia and boosts are a lot more reasonable than WoW's race changes and level boosts. The boosts are also less incentivised because there's a lot less rigmarole to go though when leveling other jobs for your character unlike WoW where their leveling is still garbage.
Yeah, MrGM was a disingenuous tosser and was trying to start shit and he admitted as much later after trying to play victim. Anyone defending him and tossing on Pyro are on the wrong side of things.
Yeah. I don't really like XIV having a cash shop but if it's an argument between which is more manipulative and detrimental to the game? There's no contest. Old event awards and the like aren't nearly as bad as literal currency buying.
Honestly I do not like the mogstation as well, but there's a HUGE difference with WoW's one: you can buy actual ingame currency in WoW, which basically enables P2W on a game that has an active sub fee.
The bucket tipped and it spilled all over the floor. And you can hear the heartbreak as he finally cuts himself a break and let's rip. I say he is justified.
@@lydellb Unfortunately, Square Enix did exactly that with FF15. The story in the game itself is all over the fucking place, so you are literally requred to watch the GCI movie (Kingsglaive), anime series (Brotherhood), read short stories and possibly play spin-off games (A King's Tale) that expand on the story and add important context. This is such shet that I can't.
@@icipher6730 Yea FF15 was a hot mess with tons of design issues (copy pasted end-game dungeons, character design with a color palette consisting of only shades of black, important story moments added in DLC) , honestly I haven't liked most modern Final Fantasy games. Even FF14 was a joke when it first launched, but YoshiP resurrected that shit from the dead and made it a better game than WoW.
@@icipher6730 and much like how people are reacting to the WoW lore FF15 was a commercial failure. You cant fragment and segment storys and expect people to shill out for it, you have to tell a concise story from beginning to end, and then add onto it. Sadly game companies are willing to do the most egregious things to make a quick buck and some fanboys are willing to shove the shit into their mouths.
Pyromancer was really invested in Warcraft lore and theory-crafting and stuff .. bought every single warcraft book, comic, novel, Read every quest and lore text in the game, stand and listen to NPCs chatting and talking about stuff to connect the dots and present as complete lore to people as possible .. and the last straw that broke the camel's back was Blizzard literally destroying the lore.. so he used to put so much effort over the years and found all of that for nothing.
so did I and other people in his discord. The main reason I game back to WoW after a loong pause (stopped curing Cataclysm and came back at the end of Legion). Was because I got into lore and specculation after watching all the Nobbel and Pyromancer videos I could find. -> joined Pyro's discord -> played through all the content i had missed, read every quest-text, every NPC lines, looked at all the symbols and visual cues, started to read/listen to the books and had a BLAST discussing specculation and theories with other "obsessed" people in Pyro's dischord. But as BfA went on, the amount and quality of discussion slowly went down. BfA was ...very bad in terms of the systems. But I was still invested. For the start of Shadowlands I levelled 3 characters because I wanted to play through all the covenants so I could see all the stories and content. BfA already felt like a chore, but at least I only needed to play 2 characters (1 horde, 1 alliance) to see all of the story. But in Shadowlands I would need at least 4 (unless i want to lose my covenant progress each time) ?? When I got to around level 20 on my Ardenweald Battlepass (reknown) I knew I did not want to do this on 3 more characters. The same happened to a co-worker at my job. We both were really looking forward for Shadowlands, but after around 3 months we both had quit (he even a few weeks earlier than me). To be honest, I still like the story/lore. I can see why Pyro is really frustrated though. For me, the biggest problem right now is the system-design. We get ever new carrots to chase and sink out time in, and then the systems get removed again. Ion Hazzikostas said in an interview that around 2012, he was in a meeting where it was decided that going forward, the game would have less evergreen content (content that stays relevant) and a big focus towards short-term content/systems. THIS in my opinion was the likely the signle WORST decision in the games development history.
@@ASIRA89 The problem is .. it doesn't make sense to build up characters like Elune, Old gods ..... ETC for literally decades to just destroy them in less than a patch with no logical reason or explaining or giving these characters their moment to shine after they finally appeared ingame .. to be honest if WoW devs who are responsible of the narrative intentionally wants to destroy Warcraft story and it's iconic characters they wouldn't do a better job than what they are already doing..... ever since they ended the storyline of WC3 in WoW they started doing really weird shit to Warcraft lore.
I think the last straw was content creators realizing they can jump ship to FFXIV and still make money. I might be cynical but Im pretty sure if they would be singing a different tune otherwise.
@@redgallows8671 I mean if you make a living off of covering a game in any fashion you're always going to be cautious about jumping ship. More practical than cynical, unless you believe the money is the sole motivator.
On top of all the problems the Activision Blizzard community is dealing with, let's not forget that Pyro lost his father reciently. He has all the right to feel mad. Feelining impotent to all the bad things arround you while also having to deal with apologists, is really frustrating.
Two years later and I'm just gonna point out... for years Pyro WAS a Blizzard apologist. It wasn't until public perception changed that he ranted. That's why he weirdly tries to blame the bad writing on the sexual harrassment allegations and not the horrible writers themselves. Even into the video he is not allowed to say what he wants "Blizzard story team is a bunch of hacks". He has to reframe it to ACTUALLY be "They can't keep their hands to themselves." Bellular and Taliesin were the same way.
To me it was several reasons but I can see the harassment being one of them. I mean kind of hard to stay focused on the game when frank next door keeps rubbing your shoulders.@@Dooger414
PPl in chat saying pyro needs a gf but preach is literally married and man baby'd his last video and everyone came to his rescue. When pyro is the sole reason the wow lore gets pieced together to make sense...his anger is justified imo
@@christopherdsuza7531 he will but the wow community in his stream likes to defend stupid shit over and over to the point u break and someone has to explain to you why you are so stupid. The wow community aren't "gamers" they are "wow players" they cant switch to another game. So they hit the iceberg and don't believe the ship is sinking until they are all floating on their luggage freezing to death.
I watched Pyro on mog talk podcast. He is so smart and passionate gamer. After that I checked his stream and it was really fun. Guy can entertain for hours. I'm glad he is getting support from FFXIV players.
@@fosphor8920 I did watch it , however I express it wrongly In my comment, His reasons are A VALID point to be Angry at jizzard. I should check what I type sometimes hahaha sorry!
The most tragic thing here isn't what he's saying but the WoW paraphernalia that laid behind him while he said it. That game was his life and Blizzard took his life from him through it.
There's a perfect quote from KotOR 2 for Pyromancer's situation: "You were deafened." "At last, you could hear." "You were broken." "You've become whole." "You were blinded." "And at last... you saw."
I can see that Ruri went into this thinking the rant was just a heated discussion, nah full legitimate RANT rant. To give some background and context to people who have no idea about WoW or Pyro; Pyro has been there making content surrounding the lore of the game for years now so that people can be caught up to date and understand the context, actions and meanings behind characters actions in present-day content. With the latest xpac Shadowlands they have created character motivations and actions for Sylvannas [a consistent main character and developing antagonist] in the story which contradict previous content, establishing lore and have [rather lazily] further explained those actions in books outside of the game. Specifically, Sylvannas is a character that was killed by a lich, raised as a Wraith, broke free of the Lich's hold and established her own race of people to fight said Lich - forging a place for herself and her people [undead] in the ranks of outcasts such as Orcs, Goblins, Blood Elves, Trolls, Tauren [cow people] under the banner of the Horde. From this brief description you'd imagine that she is a strong character that detests being enslaved, slavery and xenophobia. And yet, she sides in the latest expansion with a villain that is basically Thanos who's looking to literally rewrite history [remake everything as he sees fit] once he collects all the sigils [infinity stones]. During this time she sees him literally enslave everyone close to him in chains, finds out he's the reason that the Lich that killed her raised and enslaved her in the first place. That the Lich that enslaved her was directly under his control. And yet still chooses to side with him until last minute where her most powerful allies are enslaved by him, at which point she thinks: "something aint right here..." and betrays him as he opens the portal to go rewrite history and fails to stop him. To put into perspective why Pyro's pissed for FF14 players; Imagine if they took the ARR cinematic that explains ARR out of the game, however the game acts as if you know what's happened but just continues on anyway. Now imagine that they sold the cinematic as a book separately instead of being in the game. Now imagine that even though they sold that cinematic separately they decided to make Louisoix commit genocide on the post ARR world either as a cultist or as a member of the Garlean Empire. Now imagine that they decided that Louisoix had a change of heart last minute after committing genocide with the Primals/Meks and decided to try to attack the Masked cultists or Garlean Empire, failing to do so. Now imagine that out of all of that information all you saw was Louisoix's character commit genocide and then have a change of heart in a 5s cut scene for each.
I have a love/hate relationship with Pyro. He is passionate, vocal and pigheaded. When he's right, he's 100% dead on and when he's "wrong" he's 100% off the mark lol. Right now, he's 100% dead on.
well yea. He;s a dude with principles that stands behind his ideas. Especially with the speculations he did on his channel it was innevitable for him to get everything right. Reconsidering that, looking at how bad Blizz story telling is nobody could get it right, only if you think of the worst outcome
@@floreaciprian9742 X to doubt. Guy, even in his long rant, could not say what he wanted. He had to blame the bad writing and game mechanics on sexual harrassment instead of actual incompetence. YEARS of him running apologist for Blizzard actually damaged his image to the point where he HAD to reframe everything to be about him taking a stance against the predation at Blizzard. Reality is his father passed away recently while public opinion shifted from ignoring Blizzard bad behavior. The guy had an existential crisis on camera for how much time he wasted backing game companies he plays. He still does it to this day and has learned nothing. The irony of his "I will not serve!" cry is that he was and is subservient to the games he plays. They own his finances and therefore owns him. And he STILL ALLOWS IT.
Pyromancer is a lore guy, considering how fragmented the storytelling in WOW is between game and other medium as well as the constant retcon, it's understandable that it would be frustrating for a lore guy like him. Furthermore, the general game system that seems to invalidate and waste player's time and effort along with recent realization of how the company works must have been shocking to some players. I said some, because I've watched other videos covering/reacting to this and there's a lot of WOW Andys in comments that keeps defending WOW or dismissing pyromancer as entitled gamer, having mental health problems, overly attached to WOW (he loved the game and its his livelihood). Just click on these commenters and you can see how they have been spamming the same rethoric on other videos critical of WOW or AB. The whole situation is just sad and frustrating. PS: I really love how other player is giving pyro's character a hug in-game, I love the FF 14 community.
I can't say too much about WOW since I have never touched it, but I wouldn't imagine paying monthly for a game and then being expected to buy books so that I could get the game's story. FFXIV has its flaws, but at least you get the story with the game.
The worst part is the books for the most part are AMAZING atleast the ones iv read but blizzard has also retconned every single book iv read about the wow lore (Not counting the warcraft 1 2 and 3 lore they have thrown out the window) So i finally just gave up on trying to follow lore around the same time i quit last year
Wow Players like me left because FF14 is what wow should have been. I know who the characters are i know why things are happening. Nobody just shows up in a game as a super villain without a history or some sort of sign it was coming unless you buy the book of course but if u strictly play the game u dont really know why ppl are doing what and why are we fighting them again??
"grind gold to buy wow tokens lmao" That used to be possible. When I joined in Legion, they were approx. 30k. You could get that from running a few old raids and vendoring the trash. Now the last I checked, they're 170k. You don't want to grind that because of the current weeklies and dailies, so on top of the chores you're also grinding for rent (if you only use tokens for game time like I used to). All of your free time ends up feeling wasted. Literally the only people who could be having fun right now are the roleplayers who don't keep up with the news and don't necessarily _play_ the game.
At the height of Legion, they were 240k on my server (EU-Draenor). Me and my girlfriend tried grinding gold to coer our subs, We lasted 4 months. It just wasn't worth the extra time commitment to farm mats.
@@DeGBitch I think for my server (can't remember if I was on US Wyrmrest or Moon Guard at the time) the highest it hit in Legion was 210k, and it was simply a weird spike. I remember someone resorted to day-long cybering in Silvermoon for gold to afford it. I rolled and leveled more alts to increase the trash raid runs that I was talking about. I could do it only because I didn't have a job. I just checked what the prices are now for tokens and they're a steady 200k.
@@Not_Soundwave Yeah, on my server they never dropped below 220k. They werestill 220-240k in late BFA when I quit. It was so stupid. I was online 4-6 hours a day grinding mats and making pots for the auction house. It was too much for a casual heroic raider like myself.
@@denarus3939 I saw that, yeah. Honestly it's a real shame. One of my favorite lines was the male dwarf flirt "Yeh look pretty, I like yer hair, here's a drink--Are ya ready now?" But if I know roleplayers (used to be one myself) and if they haven't changed in four years, they'll push past the removals with /e for the sake of having their own fun.
He’s more than welcome to stay in FFXIV, we need a supreme lore champion, and he is impressively into it all! I hope he finds something to make him happy.
LoreLines is another channel that started up recently. A group of individuals that cover all things lore in the world of Eorzea - they are looking to take up Ethys's mantle since the man himself is going thru irl issues at the moment.
There's final fantasy xiv books, but it's like a cookbook of meals from eorzea and art books. It's not nessecary but I genuinely want the art books to see like rak'tika concept art because shadowbringers is incredible.
Oh my god the poor guy… This hurt to listen to. He is 100% right and i can feel his pain. I bought almost all of the books and i was invested in this world. But then BfA happened and something died… I couldn’t enjoy Azeroth anymore.
Early on it was hard for me to follow the story because of ARR exposition building, but after I got through the end of it I couldn’t even imagine skipping it. I’ve been a huge fan of the other FF games and the thought of me not paying attention to those stories hurts my soul so I’m glad I was able to get hooked on 14’s
This is what happens when someone who cares (maybe too much) gets tired of the bullshit. I don't know Pyro very outside of a few vids of his, but he's always come across as someone who was looking to make the best of a bad situation and just got to the point where he had enough. You see it a lot with people in bad relationships. Thanks kind of melodramatic but same principle
I was reading twitch chat and people like scuppetto at 10:06 show that they're still missing the point. It's not about the scandal, it's the fact that the stuff the scandal is about has been happening. Who's to say it hasn't happened the whole time WoW has been out?
As soon as Blizzard ran out of plot points established by the 3 warcraft rts games, the issues with their storytelling became extremely apparent. Until cataclysm they ran on already established lore and could get away with not putting everything in the game. After that... They just took the opportunity to sell the lore separately.
"As soon as Blizzard ran out of plot points established by the 3 warcraft rts games, the issues with their storytelling became extremely apparent." this. so much this. they ran out of established plotlines with wrath and you could feel it even though it was its peak.
The cash shop issues can be pretty interesting. I know people IRL who have laptops running scripted bots on a 2nd WoW account that run around in circles killing and looting mobs 24/7, while they play normally at their primary account. This bot manages to earn enought gold to buy tokens for gametime for both of the accounts without any issues. These guys have done it for as long as i can remember... I don't agree with the method, but It's not like i can convince them to stop either and blizzard don't care. Wonder what would happend to the game if everyone just started doing that... since it don't really require a mastermind making a simple script like that /shrugs. I no longer care tbh. WoW sucks and it won't become better, It will take a miracle to change the game since the problems the game have is deeply rooted in he design philosophy.
I imagine boosts make a lot of scenes in ff14 when you place a second character on another server/datacenter. Story is long and many people might not have the time to go through it multiple times just to play with people in different regions or other reasons like rp alts.
Honestly, it's sad whenever a game revolving around lore and immersion becomes a second-screen game. The ultimate side-screen game is Runescape imo, but at least there it makes sense because it's not trying to be a million things it isn't supposed to be.
Wow's story is in the game but only around 50% of it. Players don't understand motivations or reasons things are done. BfA despite how bad the systems were are a good launch story for the most part but NOTHING compares to FF14's story. Even Swtor makes WoW best stories look like shit. The story for wow is partly in game, partly in book and partly in cut scenes that are used as promotional material
The interesting part here is the fact that WOW players specifically didn't want to move on to XIV, knowing their game was on a steady downhill. Praised the story of WOW to the ends of the earth and I know for a FACT that it was due to these players never playing anything else. Never wanting to accept the truth, because it hurts. And I know it hurts. If I ever met anyone IRL who played wow and asked if they played the latest release of ANY GAME, the answer would no, because WOW was their life and it was the only game worth playing. Either being stuck there due to your guild forcing you to join raids or just not knowing what else to do. Afraid that playing something else would make you fall behind on something important or otherwise. God forbit you'd find an actually good story driven game to enjoy. And to me it was sort of sad to see this, but I understood the addiction. But I never understood the absolute refusal of giving something else a try for a change. As if it was the enemy of your beloved WOW.
I wonder has anyone ever asked a blizzard developer on how an expansion is planed or even made? You know with out getting in too deep or without asking about stuff that might be confidential.
Considering the college frat boy professionalism (or lack there of) that has come to light, they probably party the whole time and rush out content at the last minute to meet deadlines.
As someone who boosted in FFXIV on my MAIN and i Also did that in WoW since i love endgame stuff. And i had sutch a good time in FFXIV after i boosted, Tons of stuff to do i have the story catchup video’s on UA-cam and they Are really good, i can do whatever i want now but in wow they lock you out/ remove 15 years worth of content
That's the sad part, even if you like the world and the game; "These are the content creators that have to explain the lore to people, because blizzard doesnt bother to do it." I actually REALLY like the WoW universe, setting, characters and they've ruined one of my favorites by making her a villain, but worse still - a half assed villain. Worse than that, they hide her thought processes which could be condensed to 5 quests at most and instead play a 5s cutscene of her committing to and backing out of being evil. And none of it makes sense, because she's supposed to be this big brain 9head that's out playing the entirety of the Horde, but she cant figure out that a guy called the JAILOR, who ENSLAVES people and PUTS THEM IN CHAINS is not about freedom, like are you for fucking serious. I didnt think it bothered me this much but I'm actually mad.
As a newer (sorta...long story) let's say newer dedicated player...I'm as casual as can be and I currently have 121 hours and just about to Heavensward, now take into account I have diversions, probably the first 20 hours is because I did every single side quest until someone said to do otherwise. Also at level 48 I had just discovered the Saucer and I have spent a good 10-12 hours total there, spent about 10 hours fishing and doing things like a couple starts to a couple jobs, the Hildibrand stuff, and maybe some afk at times. So conservatively I'd say ARR is under 100 hours even watching every cut scene if you don't goof around and that's maybe quicker then say GW2 which is possibly twice that time to yes 80 but it's still the base game for comparison. I am a final fantasy fan going back to the 80s, this does affect my viewing of the story but it's more the systems in how the story progresses, seems to wrap into many aspects of the playtime itself fascinates me. I have watched Pyro's stuff over the years, met him in game once or twice so knowing enough about him when I orginally saw this I totally understood even if blizzard and I haven't seen eye to eye for a long time.
I wouldnt know. I played WoW for all of 10 levels and thought it was boring, didn't even get to the end of the free trial. I think the first 3 hours of mhgu is easily more fun than what I did in WoW.
I used to watch pyro make theories even about the color of the light of the explosions from the videos. And it actually made sense. The guy should have been hired from them to try and save the game. :/
the thing with ff14 you have the lore in the game but there are side stories you can read that aren't in the game but guess what the side stories are free and they are told from the perspective of the characters in the game. Which because of that there are details that are wrong but thats because the character misunderstands some of the details or doesn't have all the info we the players do.
Sorry but the ppl are playing WOW right now (something with a subscription in Blizzard company) is kinda still supporting the CEO of that company. The ppl that just work there have to get payed because there is a case against the company. It is the companies fault to let it go in this so the CEO need to just pay up there salaries. you need to look at this way to have a better understanding. you buy the subscription or buy the game. That many you spend is going the CEO first then it goes with a % (don't know how much) goes to the ppl that works there. Believe me the % is much higher that goes to the CEO then to the workers.
Hey dude, I really like these reaction video's... mostly because you get more point of view opinions from different persons. I also watched Asmongold's one, it was good. This one is also good, because you talk from a different perspective that any other person. Good! I like to compare opinions, next to my own ;) But, I also like GOOD sound... could you balance the sound levels a bit more? Every time you talk, I have to put my sound down, and when the Video sound comes trough I have to boost the volume again.. Great video dude, this is just a bit of friendly advice =) It's way easier to follow if you have your voice, and the reaction video sound level around the same level (you're pausing the video anyway before you give your opinion, you dont need to exceed the video level of sound if you're pausing) Thnx Rurikhan!
To be fair u can buy gil from the mog station though its super expensive... Job/story boosts come with 50 allagan platinum pieces which sell for 10k ea to a merchant... You can make that 500k within 5 days of doing your roulettes while also leveling Though in NO way shape of form do I condone games that let you buy stuff that benefit you directly ingame (gold or gear with stat benefits). it's just a disgusting way of sayin hey please give us money pls ty lazy people :) Though, cosmetic products are 100% okay with me... Mogstation is like 30-40% items from old events alone... And most Mogstation mounts aren't the same quality as the ingame obtainable mounts (the bike has a map speed driving bonus but the map speed is obtainable ingame too)
Shadowlands questing overall was garbage. Quest variety and story was way better since cataclysm...and its the first expansion that os so bad. Cata, mop, wod, legion and even bfa questing was diverse and cool... But shadowlands was boring as shit....it felt rushed. Same with the world quests...uninspired, boring, unchallenging....
Sad thing is that, while Pyromancer wasted $1000+ in books not including other merch just to make sense of the story for the 0.00001% of WoW players that actually give a shit about the story. Meanwhile in FF all you have to do is...just play the game and.. maybe get a copy of encyclopedia Eorzea?.. but mostly juat play the game.
Pyromancer was wrong about one thing. if noone grinds gold to buy WoW tokens, how do the tokn buyers get their gold? they get their gold from the person that buys their token. Also, I farmed gold in Shadowlands because it was piss easy, I bought 9 months worth of game time for 0 €, ZERO, I almost played their game for free, I bought the first month to level up my character (December last year). January to September.. all for WoW gold. I quit in May, but that is beside the point, I had a sub until September.
well i have lot of latam friends and they all farm their own gold for days so they can buy their month they dont have the money to buy monthly fees so thats what they do but thats true i did never think on the people that has a lot of money to buy a lot of tokens i dont defend the token tho
the players calling it not pay to win? probably put in alot of money and still lose, so to them its not pay to win coz they are paying and still losing but they wont admit how much they have paid so it just comes out as ... its not pay to win. i personally have not touched a blizzard game since i played wow at a friends house when i was about 16 and we would pvp on his twinks ect on weekends ect but i never even had my own account, after that i herd about blizzard payed alot of money to put addictive things into there game, that made it so addictive (this alone was enough for me to not touch blizzard games - is just quite predatory behaviour , and i see these techniqes in other games i generally lose interest too) it caused parents to sue and some even WIN vs blizzard for there childs death's. i never touched any of the dirty businessmen's blizzard games since for over 15 years now. i would offen get recommended games that would be made by blizzard like StarCraft or diablo or whatever but even after downloading the game apon finding out it was made by them i just lost all interest knowing how the company generally was. hilariously not wanting to support blizzard was a very unpopular opinion back then as there where becoming the giants of the industry. my friend i did play wow with, even accused me of claiming to not want to support them just coz i dident wanna pay the sub fees coz i had enjoyed some of the low level twink pvp i had played... but really how i saw the game was slow combat , corny cartoon graphics , and very long winded and expensive compared to many free rip-offs i did play world of kung fu (WOKF) for many years thou loved that shit till i got sick of how stupidly pay to win aswell it became in trend with how wow had gone, even when the level cap in WOKF changed to 140 we where still on lv 80 twinks just pvping in arena ignoring new content, but it was basicly a free to play rip-off version as all mmos of that era where kinda called coz they copied the wow mmo concept. what ultimately killed WOKF was basically what was described as gang extortion , back then RMT was essentially legal ( my school or clan was called the black market and we did run the black market basically) there was no terms and conditions against it atleast in WOKF si we would just farm on our lv 80 chars sell the coins ect but the gang extortion on the RMT side of things got to the point where one clan (called wu tang clan hilarious reference) totaly dominated the whole SERVER anybody who even tryed to exit any town would just be killed in pvp at the gate and essentially farmed for reputationand when #1 on the rep list that allowd you to be king of that zone/town that came with op kings armour with the best stats in the game and it was a fashion that you could equip ontop of regular gear , not only that but the king could deligate a handfull of subjects of his fraction witch provided stat buffs to there character for the duration that person remained king of wei or what ever zone and they would be like the envoy of wei as a title above your name basicly the ultimate bragging rights in the game where being king or one of his personal guard's , and unless you where either willing to one pay to get that strong , or pay there taxes to be ALLOWED OUT OF THE TOWN to grind .... you just quit or sat in arena/ some hidden out of bounds area in the edge of the starting town on some white background mountain pvping with some intense kung fu nonsense.
It's because people live in a black and white world and have no sense of nuance. It's gotten so bad that you can't even critique FF because the rabid fanbase see's any critique of FF as a compliment to Blizzard. Same thing with American politics, you can't critique trashy corporate same donors as republicans having democrats because any critique of a democrat is somehow a +1 for republican in their mind. People lack the ability to separate the opinion of one particular point and the defense of the subject. I do a lot of political and social debate and I encounter this A LOT. Tell someone that Hitler had well polished shoes and you will see what I mean.
Shit on warchief gaming, dreamheaven and all companies they will create in the future. Also no money for every company which hires Afrasabi. Remember their Names and let everything they get in contact with starve. If i see a company hired a blizz employee which is an assgrabber ... no money for them. Doesnt matter if its a CEO or a gamemaster!
The biggest problem is that the game is in the books. Why make a game if you are going to tell the story in the book? Why pay 15$ subscription? What is the reason to play this game? It's a shell of a game. Their business plan needs to change, all the lore needs to be in the game. Novels need to be about some completely unrelated stories to the current WOW lore. Plus the story is ruined right now. Pyromancer is right. There is no reason to play this game.
Me and pyro had some in common we are fans of wow lore I have 4 books the jaina, illdan shadows of horde (vol'jin) and chronicles part 1 Sad part is you had read book like the jaina to understand about garrosh and his mana bomb Worst part was bfa when turn character into samething as garrosh pandaria i gave up.
type /quit, no need to eat at the same place when the food become sucks cause they change the cheff, and move to new restaurant and no need to keep observe that old restaurant praying it will become legend again , easy
I fully understand his anger i love pyromancers content. I feel just like that after 17 years of subbing taking a break once here and there. I do feel like the money and time were wasted and the lore is just meh writing.
It seems to me that Blizz ripped the token idea from Eve. Only difference is, Eve's token can be used to sell OR redeemed for another month's subscription making grinding for one worth it in case you don't happen to have $15 to spare that month. Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't redeem a token for a sub month in WoW which basically screams Blizz is trying to get a cut on the goldfarmer's market.
Yes, you can use a token to pay for a sub month. Basically, people buy the token for $20 and Blizzard sells it to players for in-game gold. That amount of gold is given to the person who bought the token. Anyone who has the token can use it to either pay for a sub month or they can get $15 (I think) of Blizzard Balance to pay for things like store mounts. Realistically, people only buy tokens with gold to pay for their sub. Farming enough gold to buy something like a store mount on top of that would amount to farming enough gold for 3 tokens (or more). That's why Pyro says nobody does that.
No no no Mr, you don t get this or act like you don t. THE MAP OF OUTLAND IS TOO SMALL TO FARM ON. i think i solved your mistery. Have a nice day. That;s why alot say it's fine buying gold. You have those hungry wankers camping the same spot 24/7 . Even at 5 am . That is why players say it's better buying gold.
The story was showing red flags the second the battle between The Lich King and Sylvanas started Apparently, Sylvanas has been working this plan with Zovaal since the end of Wrath of the Lich King, which is just laughable. There are plot holes as early as Legion, yet they have the gall to say it's been planned since Wrath?
Sadly WoW is over, gone and now a memory, if there's still people playing I recommend actual private servers where you can cast three aoe spells in one area without lagging the whole zone. The indie company servers in Blizzard entertainment can't handle it. Support private servers will hurt Blizzard, so they end ruining their reputation to the point of giving up entirely on the IP by trying to cease and desist them all. Continue supporting Blizzard and die along with it, or join us in private adventures.
...FF14 is not hard to level up. I'm new to MMO so i play trial FF14 and play for 3 weeks: 6 War Job - level 50++ (duty finder dungeon go brr. ) PLD,WHM,SCH,SMN,BRD and BLM Land JOB - lvl 40-50 Hand JOB - CPR 50, WVR 40, others lvl 20 And for this 2 days I'm gonna focus on LTR and GSM Just finish Garuda MSQ, having hard time with so many key binding and skills, still learning which Job is suitable for me. I did well with range Job and big fan on healer job.
I didn't know who pyro was, I've never had much to do with WoW but damn dude...that was raw, you could tell the anger was coming from the fact that he loved WoW and now it probably just feels...tainted. Glad he got all that pent up emotion out, you could it was therapeutic as hell to just get it out.
Comparing wow's level boost is not possible. Wow is torture to level from 1 to max for all characters and the main point is to get new race/class combos for themes. It takes a long time of boring and tedious content, where leveling is just stupid because it doesnt help, and you dont learn anything. They might as well delete the old wow content. The gear treadmill is so fast that new content becomes pointless because you can farm old content so much faster
Pyro made all the good videos about the lore of WoW an explained every tiny bit he found out for the players that are interested But Blizzard make everything so vague and split it in so many pieces over so much time that it is now just junk. Pyros whole worklive is around this and the Company just shit on WoW and on many of their employees and the WoW patches and addon gets worse and worse and the money milking stronger and stronger. And now where people are leaving, magicly Blizzard pushes patches out that have features that fans wanted for years. The bad thing here is, they can do this anytime BUT they dont BECAUSE they know, the players always get some good stuff and than you milk them a little longe. Like crack, first a little for free and than high price when the addicted want more, the crack gets less pure so the dealer gets more money out of it and the costumes get more ill every time.
Awe man, I'm still getting D2R but not for blizzards sake, V Vision deserves some love for the effort and love they put into the game, listening to what we want fixed changed all that, VV deserves a good slap on the back, true artist when it comes to remasters! Aside from VV blizzard north was when blizzard put out great content, the loss of them really started the landslide of quality from them at least imo.
The last 8 years of blizzard has turned me and people like me from having to find reasons NOT to play their games to now needing reasons to even check them out.
When Sylvanus burned Teldrassil there really was no illusions anymore about how poor things had become. Especially since it amounted to nothing and was just purely there for shock value and to give streamers something to talk about for a bit. All WoW is made for is for a reaction, it doesn't matter what the reaction is but just a reaction. There is no bigger meaning behind any of it or some grand narrative for any of their choices, it's just make it up as you go along and do something big to make people go 😮 or 🤨
Never followed pyromancer before.... but I do now! :D also Rurikhan recently discovered you, thanks for speaking the truth and the laughs while I'm at work. Much love and stay safe :)
This problem is an easy fix right ? to not make it pay to win ? Just dont let people sell the tokens. You can buy it for gold or $ , but you cant sell it? The question whether they wanna do it or not. To be honest , if wow didnt feel like prison .. I could ignore the p2w aspect.
me too i wanted to play d2, but fuck em. :) atm I play battle brothers, a indie game which has a top tier modding community, the legends mod is the best thing :D
I bought a boost and story skip because as a dumb 19 year old i got doxxed and hacked and lost pretty much every account i had in terms of gaming. so i skipped to the end of heavensward which is where i ended my time back then, its great to be playing again, like nothing ever changed. but not everyone has the same experience
No, leveling isn't haard, the game itself isn't hard outside of extreme/savage raids, but leveling alt jobs is tedious af. Yes a learning curve is great, but oh god is it tedious.
Ruri has a critical misunderstanding, it wasn't someone defending blizzard it was someone attacking 14 off of a bad faith argument of there being 601 items in the store. Someone came into HIS calm stream and tried to start shit and this was the end result not him spontaneously going off.
Part of the reason for Pyro's rant was the back and forth he had with MrGM who was trying to argue the Cash Shop and Mogstation were the same thing. But, the vast majority of stuff on the Mogstation is old event rewards, dyes (which you can get in the game anyway), and fantasia. There's some minions, mounts, and glamour that are in there, but they're not a ton better than what's in-game.
Unlike WoW's store which it feels they intentionally design mounts for to look better than earnable in-game mounts, not to mention the price of things like fantasia and boosts are a lot more reasonable than WoW's race changes and level boosts. The boosts are also less incentivised because there's a lot less rigmarole to go though when leveling other jobs for your character unlike WoW where their leveling is still garbage.
Yeah, MrGM was a disingenuous tosser and was trying to start shit and he admitted as much later after trying to play victim. Anyone defending him and tossing on Pyro are on the wrong side of things.
Yeah. I don't really like XIV having a cash shop but if it's an argument between which is more manipulative and detrimental to the game? There's no contest. Old event awards and the like aren't nearly as bad as literal currency buying.
Yeah they both have cash shops but WoW's is definitely more egregious.
Honestly I do not like the mogstation as well, but there's a HUGE difference with WoW's one: you can buy actual ingame currency in WoW, which basically enables P2W on a game that has an active sub fee.
Damn, he seemed like he had it all pent up for quite a while, good that he let it out.
The bucket tipped and it spilled all over the floor.
And you can hear the heartbreak as he finally cuts himself a break and let's rip.
I say he is justified.
People defending WoW lore be like "B-B-B-BUT THE STORY HAS BEEN THE BEST IT HAS EVER BEEN, YOU JUST NEED TO BUY THE BOOKS THO" Copium
Imagine that attitude for a single player game. "Oh the story in RDR2 is really good once you read the seventeen novels." Nobody would go for that lol
@@lydellb Unfortunately, Square Enix did exactly that with FF15. The story in the game itself is all over the fucking place, so you are literally requred to watch the GCI movie (Kingsglaive), anime series (Brotherhood), read short stories and possibly play spin-off games (A King's Tale) that expand on the story and add important context.
This is such shet that I can't.
@@icipher6730 Yea FF15 was a hot mess with tons of design issues (copy pasted end-game dungeons, character design with a color palette consisting of only shades of black, important story moments added in DLC) , honestly I haven't liked most modern Final Fantasy games. Even FF14 was a joke when it first launched, but YoshiP resurrected that shit from the dead and made it a better game than WoW.
@@icipher6730 and much like how people are reacting to the WoW lore FF15 was a commercial failure. You cant fragment and segment storys and expect people to shill out for it, you have to tell a concise story from beginning to end, and then add onto it. Sadly game companies are willing to do the most egregious things to make a quick buck and some fanboys are willing to shove the shit into their mouths.
@@icipher6730 don't forget the light novel in which Bahamut was the Villain all along
Pyromancer was really invested in Warcraft lore and theory-crafting and stuff .. bought every single warcraft book, comic, novel, Read every quest and lore text in the game, stand and listen to NPCs chatting and talking about stuff to connect the dots and present as complete lore to people as possible .. and the last straw that broke the camel's back was Blizzard literally destroying the lore.. so he used to put so much effort over the years and found all of that for nothing.
so did I and other people in his discord. The main reason I game back to WoW after a loong pause (stopped curing Cataclysm and came back at the end of Legion). Was because I got into lore and specculation after watching all the Nobbel and Pyromancer videos I could find. -> joined Pyro's discord -> played through all the content i had missed, read every quest-text, every NPC lines, looked at all the symbols and visual cues, started to read/listen to the books and had a BLAST discussing specculation and theories with other "obsessed" people in Pyro's dischord. But as BfA went on, the amount and quality of discussion slowly went down. BfA was ...very bad in terms of the systems. But I was still invested.
For the start of Shadowlands I levelled 3 characters because I wanted to play through all the covenants so I could see all the stories and content.
BfA already felt like a chore, but at least I only needed to play 2 characters (1 horde, 1 alliance) to see all of the story. But in Shadowlands I would need at least 4 (unless i want to lose my covenant progress each time) ?? When I got to around level 20 on my Ardenweald Battlepass (reknown) I knew I did not want to do this on 3 more characters.
The same happened to a co-worker at my job. We both were really looking forward for Shadowlands, but after around 3 months we both had quit (he even a few weeks earlier than me).
To be honest, I still like the story/lore. I can see why Pyro is really frustrated though. For me, the biggest problem right now is the system-design. We get ever new carrots to chase and sink out time in, and then the systems get removed again. Ion Hazzikostas said in an interview that around 2012, he was in a meeting where it was decided that going forward, the game would have less evergreen content (content that stays relevant) and a big focus towards short-term content/systems. THIS in my opinion was the likely the signle WORST decision in the games development history.
@@ASIRA89 The problem is .. it doesn't make sense to build up characters like Elune, Old gods ..... ETC for literally decades to just destroy them in less than a patch with no logical reason or explaining or giving these characters their moment to shine after they finally appeared ingame .. to be honest if WoW devs who are responsible of the narrative intentionally wants to destroy Warcraft story and it's iconic characters they wouldn't do a better job than what they are already doing..... ever since they ended the storyline of WC3 in WoW they started doing really weird shit to Warcraft lore.
I also have alot of the lore, but stopped buying books and such when WoD came out, couse then i knew it had become truly worthless.
I think the last straw was content creators realizing they can jump ship to FFXIV and still make money. I might be cynical but Im pretty sure if they would be singing a different tune otherwise.
@@redgallows8671 I mean if you make a living off of covering a game in any fashion you're always going to be cautious about jumping ship. More practical than cynical, unless you believe the money is the sole motivator.
On top of all the problems the Activision Blizzard community is dealing with, let's not forget that Pyro lost his father reciently.
He has all the right to feel mad. Feelining impotent to all the bad things arround you while also having to deal with apologists, is really frustrating.
Two years later and I'm just gonna point out... for years Pyro WAS a Blizzard apologist. It wasn't until public perception changed that he ranted. That's why he weirdly tries to blame the bad writing on the sexual harrassment allegations and not the horrible writers themselves. Even into the video he is not allowed to say what he wants "Blizzard story team is a bunch of hacks". He has to reframe it to ACTUALLY be "They can't keep their hands to themselves." Bellular and Taliesin were the same way.
To me it was several reasons but I can see the harassment being one of them. I mean kind of hard to stay focused on the game when frank next door keeps rubbing your shoulders.@@Dooger414
PPl in chat saying pyro needs a gf but preach is literally married and man baby'd his last video and everyone came to his rescue. When pyro is the sole reason the wow lore gets pieced together to make sense...his anger is justified imo
I think he will be happy in ff14 as it is a narrative driven mmorpg. Dare I say it would be therapeutic for a lore man such as himself xD?
@@christopherdsuza7531 he will but the wow community in his stream likes to defend stupid shit over and over to the point u break and someone has to explain to you why you are so stupid. The wow community aren't "gamers" they are "wow players" they cant switch to another game. So they hit the iceberg and don't believe the ship is sinking until they are all floating on their luggage freezing to death.
It seems like a glib remark. Twitch chat gonna Twitch chat. Pyro's gf actually comes in on some streams and gives him food and drinks.
Pyro lives with his girlfriend, so the person who says that he needs a girlfriend just is clueless.
WoW Chat is just dumb, they’re on an incredible amount of copium
I watched Pyro on mog talk podcast. He is so smart and passionate gamer. After that I checked his stream and it was really fun. Guy can entertain for hours. I'm glad he is getting support from FFXIV players.
When was he on MogTalk
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ua-cam.com/video/4QhHaVgyNwM/v-deo.html
@@malta071 I heard he got this segments when he got unreasonable angry is that true?
@@hisnotsolonely2961 not unreasonable, he spoke the truth. If you did not watch it yet you should. I can give you the link
@@fosphor8920 I did watch it , however I express it wrongly In my comment, His reasons are A VALID point to be Angry at jizzard.
I should check what I type sometimes hahaha sorry!
The most tragic thing here isn't what he's saying but the WoW paraphernalia that laid behind him while he said it. That game was his life and Blizzard took his life from him through it.
There's a perfect quote from KotOR 2 for Pyromancer's situation:
"You were deafened."
"At last, you could hear."
"You were broken."
"You've become whole."
"You were blinded."
"And at last... you saw."
I can see that Ruri went into this thinking the rant was just a heated discussion, nah full legitimate RANT rant.
To give some background and context to people who have no idea about WoW or Pyro;
Pyro has been there making content surrounding the lore of the game for years now so that people can be caught up to date and understand the context, actions and meanings behind characters actions in present-day content.
With the latest xpac Shadowlands they have created character motivations and actions for Sylvannas [a consistent main character and developing antagonist] in the story which contradict previous content, establishing lore and have [rather lazily] further explained those actions in books outside of the game.
Specifically, Sylvannas is a character that was killed by a lich, raised as a Wraith, broke free of the Lich's hold and established her own race of people to fight said Lich - forging a place for herself and her people [undead] in the ranks of outcasts such as Orcs, Goblins, Blood Elves, Trolls, Tauren [cow people] under the banner of the Horde.
From this brief description you'd imagine that she is a strong character that detests being enslaved, slavery and xenophobia.
And yet, she sides in the latest expansion with a villain that is basically Thanos who's looking to literally rewrite history [remake everything as he sees fit] once he collects all the sigils [infinity stones].
During this time she sees him literally enslave everyone close to him in chains, finds out he's the reason that the Lich that killed her raised and enslaved her in the first place.
That the Lich that enslaved her was directly under his control.
And yet still chooses to side with him until last minute where her most powerful allies are enslaved by him, at which point she thinks: "something aint right here..." and betrays him as he opens the portal to go rewrite history and fails to stop him.
To put into perspective why Pyro's pissed for FF14 players;
Imagine if they took the ARR cinematic that explains ARR out of the game, however the game acts as if you know what's happened but just continues on anyway.
Now imagine that they sold the cinematic as a book separately instead of being in the game.
Now imagine that even though they sold that cinematic separately they decided to make Louisoix commit genocide on the post ARR world either as a cultist or as a member of the Garlean Empire.
Now imagine that they decided that Louisoix had a change of heart last minute after committing genocide with the Primals/Meks and decided to try to attack the Masked cultists or Garlean Empire, failing to do so.
Now imagine that out of all of that information all you saw was Louisoix's character commit genocide and then have a change of heart in a 5s cut scene for each.
I have a love/hate relationship with Pyro. He is passionate, vocal and pigheaded. When he's right, he's 100% dead on and when he's "wrong" he's 100% off the mark lol. Right now, he's 100% dead on.
I like his videos even when he is 100% off. Like his personal guesses/fan faction lol
well yea. He;s a dude with principles that stands behind his ideas. Especially with the speculations he did on his channel it was innevitable for him to get everything right. Reconsidering that, looking at how bad Blizz story telling is nobody could get it right, only if you think of the worst outcome
@@floreaciprian9742 X to doubt. Guy, even in his long rant, could not say what he wanted. He had to blame the bad writing and game mechanics on sexual harrassment instead of actual incompetence. YEARS of him running apologist for Blizzard actually damaged his image to the point where he HAD to reframe everything to be about him taking a stance against the predation at Blizzard. Reality is his father passed away recently while public opinion shifted from ignoring Blizzard bad behavior. The guy had an existential crisis on camera for how much time he wasted backing game companies he plays. He still does it to this day and has learned nothing.
The irony of his "I will not serve!" cry is that he was and is subservient to the games he plays. They own his finances and therefore owns him. And he STILL ALLOWS IT.
Pyromancer is a lore guy, considering how fragmented the storytelling in WOW is between game and other medium as well as the constant retcon, it's understandable that it would be frustrating for a lore guy like him. Furthermore, the general game system that seems to invalidate and waste player's time and effort along with recent realization of how the company works must have been shocking to some players.
I said some, because I've watched other videos covering/reacting to this and there's a lot of WOW Andys in comments that keeps defending WOW or dismissing pyromancer as entitled gamer, having mental health problems, overly attached to WOW (he loved the game and its his livelihood). Just click on these commenters and you can see how they have been spamming the same rethoric on other videos critical of WOW or AB. The whole situation is just sad and frustrating.
PS: I really love how other player is giving pyro's character a hug in-game, I love the FF 14 community.
Art department is CARRYINGGGG the entire game
Until we find out how disgusting that department was too in a leak.
Tbf wow tmogs have been disgusting and lame ever after Legion so i dont think there is a good departmen left there anymore
And even then it still looks generic like we've seen it over and over and over again.
I can't say too much about WOW since I have never touched it, but I wouldn't imagine paying monthly for a game and then being expected to buy books so that I could get the game's story. FFXIV has its flaws, but at least you get the story with the game.
Honestly, if the story's in the books, I'd rather buy the books and never play the game. But when even the story's broken....
The worst part is the books for the most part are AMAZING atleast the ones iv read but blizzard has also retconned every single book iv read about the wow lore (Not counting the warcraft 1 2 and 3 lore they have thrown out the window) So i finally just gave up on trying to follow lore around the same time i quit last year
Wow Players like me left because FF14 is what wow should have been. I know who the characters are i know why things are happening. Nobody just shows up in a game as a super villain without a history or some sort of sign it was coming unless you buy the book of course but if u strictly play the game u dont really know why ppl are doing what and why are we fighting them again??
I can watch Pyro have a meltdown for hours. He transcended from fanboy to seething rager, like a butterfly from the caterpillar. Beautiful.
"grind gold to buy wow tokens lmao"
That used to be possible. When I joined in Legion, they were approx. 30k. You could get that from running a few old raids and vendoring the trash. Now the last I checked, they're 170k. You don't want to grind that because of the current weeklies and dailies, so on top of the chores you're also grinding for rent (if you only use tokens for game time like I used to). All of your free time ends up feeling wasted.
Literally the only people who could be having fun right now are the roleplayers who don't keep up with the news and don't necessarily _play_ the game.
At the height of Legion, they were 240k on my server (EU-Draenor). Me and my girlfriend tried grinding gold to coer our subs, We lasted 4 months. It just wasn't worth the extra time commitment to farm mats.
@@DeGBitch I think for my server (can't remember if I was on US Wyrmrest or Moon Guard at the time) the highest it hit in Legion was 210k, and it was simply a weird spike. I remember someone resorted to day-long cybering in Silvermoon for gold to afford it. I rolled and leveled more alts to increase the trash raid runs that I was talking about. I could do it only because I didn't have a job. I just checked what the prices are now for tokens and they're a steady 200k.
@@Not_Soundwave Yeah, on my server they never dropped below 220k. They werestill 220-240k in late BFA when I quit. It was so stupid. I was online 4-6 hours a day grinding mats and making pots for the auction house. It was too much for a casual heroic raider like myself.
Roleplayers lost a lot of emotes tho
@@denarus3939 I saw that, yeah. Honestly it's a real shame. One of my favorite lines was the male dwarf flirt "Yeh look pretty, I like yer hair, here's a drink--Are ya ready now?" But if I know roleplayers (used to be one myself) and if they haven't changed in four years, they'll push past the removals with /e for the sake of having their own fun.
He’s more than welcome to stay in FFXIV, we need a supreme lore champion, and he is impressively into it all! I hope he finds something to make him happy.
Ya ever heard of Ethys Asher?
We already have several lore people in XIV.
@@lunausagi8495 Yeah I have and he's wrong a lot.
@@tessa8484 no he isn't lol.
LoreLines is another channel that started up recently. A group of individuals that cover all things lore in the world of Eorzea - they are looking to take up Ethys's mantle since the man himself is going thru irl issues at the moment.
I would like to bring this Fantasia Anonymous Meeting to order. I see a lot of new faces in the crowd today, and I have to say, I'm very disappointed.
There's final fantasy xiv books, but it's like a cookbook of meals from eorzea and art books. It's not nessecary but I genuinely want the art books to see like rak'tika concept art because shadowbringers is incredible.
Do you know la hee? Hahaah sorry XD
They also have literal encyclopedias on Eorzean world history.
Oh my god the poor guy… This hurt to listen to. He is 100% right and i can feel his pain. I bought almost all of the books and i was invested in this world. But then BfA happened and something died… I couldn’t enjoy Azeroth anymore.
If the game is garbage. All the art does is remind you of the garbage.
Early on it was hard for me to follow the story because of ARR exposition building, but after I got through the end of it I couldn’t even imagine skipping it. I’ve been a huge fan of the other FF games and the thought of me not paying attention to those stories hurts my soul so I’m glad I was able to get hooked on 14’s
This is what happens when someone who cares (maybe too much) gets tired of the bullshit. I don't know Pyro very outside of a few vids of his, but he's always come across as someone who was looking to make the best of a bad situation and just got to the point where he had enough. You see it a lot with people in bad relationships. Thanks kind of melodramatic but same principle
I was reading twitch chat and people like scuppetto at 10:06 show that they're still missing the point. It's not about the scandal, it's the fact that the stuff the scandal is about has been happening. Who's to say it hasn't happened the whole time WoW has been out?
As soon as Blizzard ran out of plot points established by the 3 warcraft rts games, the issues with their storytelling became extremely apparent. Until cataclysm they ran on already established lore and could get away with not putting everything in the game. After that... They just took the opportunity to sell the lore separately.
"As soon as Blizzard ran out of plot points established by the 3 warcraft rts games, the issues with their storytelling became extremely apparent." this. so much this. they ran out of established plotlines with wrath and you could feel it even though it was its peak.
Wow ended with Wrath. Moral of the story was "No king rules forever."
Ruri talking about blizz: " ITS FUCKING SHIT, IT SUCKS!"
someone else talking about blizz: "ITS FUCKING SHIT, IT SUCKS!"
Ruri : *surprised pikachu face* (○
He goes OFF............Like Damn..........LoL
EDIT....WoW is DEFINITELY pay to win...Period
Don't worry about the Art, he's replacing it with a Bowl of Fruit soon..
Lmao
He was so fucking happy when that art work arrived...
The cash shop issues can be pretty interesting. I know people IRL who have laptops running scripted bots on a 2nd WoW account that run around in circles killing and looting mobs 24/7, while they play normally at their primary account. This bot manages to earn enought gold to buy tokens for gametime for both of the accounts without any issues. These guys have done it for as long as i can remember... I don't agree with the method, but It's not like i can convince them to stop either and blizzard don't care. Wonder what would happend to the game if everyone just started doing that... since it don't really require a mastermind making a simple script like that /shrugs.
I no longer care tbh. WoW sucks and it won't become better, It will take a miracle to change the game since the problems the game have is deeply rooted in he design philosophy.
I imagine boosts make a lot of scenes in ff14 when you place a second character on another server/datacenter. Story is long and many people might not have the time to go through it multiple times just to play with people in different regions or other reasons like rp alts.
Honestly, it's sad whenever a game revolving around lore and immersion becomes a second-screen game.
The ultimate side-screen game is Runescape imo, but at least there it makes sense because it's not trying to be a million things it isn't supposed to be.
Wow's story is in the game but only around 50% of it. Players don't understand motivations or reasons things are done. BfA despite how bad the systems were are a good launch story for the most part but NOTHING compares to FF14's story. Even Swtor makes WoW best stories look like shit. The story for wow is partly in game, partly in book and partly in cut scenes that are used as promotional material
The interesting part here is the fact that WOW players specifically didn't want to move on to XIV, knowing their game was on a steady downhill.
Praised the story of WOW to the ends of the earth and I know for a FACT that it was due to these players never playing anything else. Never wanting to accept the truth, because it hurts. And I know it hurts.
If I ever met anyone IRL who played wow and asked if they played the latest release of ANY GAME, the answer would no, because WOW was their life and it was the only game worth playing.
Either being stuck there due to your guild forcing you to join raids or just not knowing what else to do. Afraid that playing something else would make you fall behind on something important or otherwise. God forbit you'd find an actually good story driven game to enjoy.
And to me it was sort of sad to see this, but I understood the addiction.
But I never understood the absolute refusal of giving something else a try for a change. As if it was the enemy of your beloved WOW.
Its what a longterm addiction can do to u,make u miss out on the other stuff out there becouse u aquired tunnel vision and u did't even knew it.
The sunken cost fallacy at it's finest =[
I wonder has anyone ever asked a blizzard developer on how an expansion is planed or even made? You know with out getting in too deep or without asking about stuff that might be confidential.
Considering the college frat boy professionalism (or lack there of) that has come to light, they probably party the whole time and rush out content at the last minute to meet deadlines.
As someone who boosted in FFXIV on my MAIN and i Also did that in WoW since i love endgame stuff. And i had sutch a good time in FFXIV after i boosted, Tons of stuff to do i have the story catchup video’s on UA-cam and they Are really good, i can do whatever i want now but in wow they lock you out/ remove 15 years worth of content
"the art is only good thing left in the game"... well that aged poorly
why do people have to read books to play the game ffxiv has everything in the game wow is just getting worse
Sam Denuser and Christie Golden fucking suck as writers that's why
That's the sad part, even if you like the world and the game;
"These are the content creators that have to explain the lore to people, because blizzard doesnt bother to do it."
I actually REALLY like the WoW universe, setting, characters and they've ruined one of my favorites by making her a villain, but worse still - a half assed villain.
Worse than that, they hide her thought processes which could be condensed to 5 quests at most and instead play a 5s cutscene of her committing to and backing out of being evil.
And none of it makes sense, because she's supposed to be this big brain 9head that's out playing the entirety of the Horde, but she cant figure out that a guy called the JAILOR, who ENSLAVES people and PUTS THEM IN CHAINS is not about freedom, like are you for fucking serious.
I didnt think it bothered me this much but I'm actually mad.
As a newer (sorta...long story) let's say newer dedicated player...I'm as casual as can be and I currently have 121 hours and just about to Heavensward, now take into account I have diversions, probably the first 20 hours is because I did every single side quest until someone said to do otherwise. Also at level 48 I had just discovered the Saucer and I have spent a good 10-12 hours total there, spent about 10 hours fishing and doing things like a couple starts to a couple jobs, the Hildibrand stuff, and maybe some afk at times. So conservatively I'd say ARR is under 100 hours even watching every cut scene if you don't goof around and that's maybe quicker then say GW2 which is possibly twice that time to yes 80 but it's still the base game for comparison. I am a final fantasy fan going back to the 80s, this does affect my viewing of the story but it's more the systems in how the story progresses, seems to wrap into many aspects of the playtime itself fascinates me. I have watched Pyro's stuff over the years, met him in game once or twice so knowing enough about him when I orginally saw this I totally understood even if blizzard and I haven't seen eye to eye for a long time.
Love how he got rid of all the WoW art and replaced it with FFXIV :)
The problem is those that aren't harassing other working are doing a shit job them selves the constant additions and retcons to the lore is proof
I wouldnt know. I played WoW for all of 10 levels and thought it was boring, didn't even get to the end of the free trial. I think the first 3 hours of mhgu is easily more fun than what I did in WoW.
I used to watch pyro make theories even about the color of the light of the explosions from the videos. And it actually made sense.
The guy should have been hired from them to try and save the game. :/
Join the FFXIV party! We have better life expectancies.
I don't even watch Pyro regularly, but this rant got around to me and I quit WoW that day. It was catharsis for me too, and gave perspective.
the thing with ff14 you have the lore in the game but there are side stories you can read that aren't in the game but guess what the side stories are free and they are told from the perspective of the characters in the game. Which because of that there are details that are wrong but thats because the character misunderstands some of the details or doesn't have all the info we the players do.
Yes Exactly right I agree full heartedly with your video. Not everyone is at fault, but many are.
Sorry but the ppl are playing WOW right now (something with a subscription in Blizzard company) is kinda still supporting the CEO of that company. The ppl that just work there have to get payed because there is a case against the company. It is the companies fault to let it go in this so the CEO need to just pay up there salaries. you need to look at this way to have a better understanding. you buy the subscription or buy the game. That many you spend is going the CEO first then it goes with a % (don't know how much) goes to the ppl that works there. Believe me the % is much higher that goes to the CEO then to the workers.
the story/level skips in FF14 is always up to the start of the current xpack. AFAIK you can't skip to the end.
Not a huge fan of this video - you paused way to often. Like, let it play for more then 3 seconds before you pause.
Hey dude, I really like these reaction video's... mostly because you get more point of view opinions from different persons. I also watched Asmongold's one, it was good.
This one is also good, because you talk from a different perspective that any other person. Good! I like to compare opinions, next to my own ;)
But, I also like GOOD sound... could you balance the sound levels a bit more? Every time you talk, I have to put my sound down, and when the Video sound comes trough I have to boost the volume again..
Great video dude, this is just a bit of friendly advice =)
It's way easier to follow if you have your voice, and the reaction video sound level around the same level (you're pausing the video anyway before you give your opinion, you dont need to exceed the video level of sound if you're pausing)
Thnx Rurikhan!
That level of toxicity from Pyro... wow. It's like he's just left an abusive relationship and is angry that it took him this long to figure it out.
blizzard and wow in general is just not defendable in way what so ever
To be fair u can buy gil from the mog station though its super expensive... Job/story boosts come with 50 allagan platinum pieces which sell for 10k ea to a merchant... You can make that 500k within 5 days of doing your roulettes while also leveling
Though in NO way shape of form do I condone games that let you buy stuff that benefit you directly ingame (gold or gear with stat benefits). it's just a disgusting way of sayin hey please give us money pls ty lazy people :)
Though, cosmetic products are 100% okay with me... Mogstation is like 30-40% items from old events alone... And most Mogstation mounts aren't the same quality as the ingame obtainable mounts (the bike has a map speed driving bonus but the map speed is obtainable ingame too)
Shadowlands questing overall was garbage. Quest variety and story was way better since cataclysm...and its the first expansion that os so bad.
Cata, mop, wod, legion and even bfa questing was diverse and cool...
But shadowlands was boring as shit....it felt rushed.
Same with the world quests...uninspired, boring, unchallenging....
Sad thing is that, while Pyromancer wasted $1000+ in books not including other merch just to make sense of the story for the 0.00001% of WoW players that actually give a shit about the story. Meanwhile in FF all you have to do is...just play the game and.. maybe get a copy of encyclopedia Eorzea?.. but mostly juat play the game.
Pyromancer was wrong about one thing. if noone grinds gold to buy WoW tokens, how do the tokn buyers get their gold? they get their gold from the person that buys their token. Also, I farmed gold in Shadowlands because it was piss easy, I bought 9 months worth of game time for 0 €, ZERO, I almost played their game for free, I bought the first month to level up my character (December last year). January to September.. all for WoW gold. I quit in May, but that is beside the point, I had a sub until September.
well i have lot of latam friends and they all farm their own gold for days so they can buy their month they dont have the money to buy monthly fees so thats what they do but thats true i did never think on the people that has a lot of money to buy a lot of tokens i dont defend the token tho
Dont’t forget Jay too for that law firm
the players calling it not pay to win? probably put in alot of money and still lose, so to them its not pay to win coz they are paying and still losing but they wont admit how much they have paid so it just comes out as ... its not pay to win. i personally have not touched a blizzard game since i played wow at a friends house when i was about 16 and we would pvp on his twinks ect on weekends ect but i never even had my own account, after that i herd about blizzard payed alot of money to put addictive things into there game, that made it so addictive (this alone was enough for me to not touch blizzard games - is just quite predatory behaviour , and i see these techniqes in other games i generally lose interest too) it caused parents to sue and some even WIN vs blizzard for there childs death's. i never touched any of the dirty businessmen's blizzard games since for over 15 years now. i would offen get recommended games that would be made by blizzard like StarCraft or diablo or whatever but even after downloading the game apon finding out it was made by them i just lost all interest knowing how the company generally was.
hilariously not wanting to support blizzard was a very unpopular opinion back then as there where becoming the giants of the industry. my friend i did play wow with, even accused me of claiming to not want to support them just coz i dident wanna pay the sub fees coz i had enjoyed some of the low level twink pvp i had played... but really how i saw the game was slow combat , corny cartoon graphics , and very long winded and expensive compared to many free rip-offs i did play world of kung fu (WOKF) for many years thou loved that shit till i got sick of how stupidly pay to win aswell it became in trend with how wow had gone, even when the level cap in WOKF changed to 140 we where still on lv 80 twinks just pvping in arena ignoring new content, but it was basicly a free to play rip-off version as all mmos of that era where kinda called coz they copied the wow mmo concept.
what ultimately killed WOKF was basically what was described as gang extortion , back then RMT was essentially legal ( my school or clan was called the black market and we did run the black market basically) there was no terms and conditions against it atleast in WOKF si we would just farm on our lv 80 chars sell the coins ect but the gang extortion on the RMT side of things got to the point where one clan (called wu tang clan hilarious reference) totaly dominated the whole SERVER anybody who even tryed to exit any town would just be killed in pvp at the gate and essentially farmed for reputationand when #1 on the rep list that allowd you to be king of that zone/town that came with op kings armour with the best stats in the game and it was a fashion that you could equip ontop of regular gear , not only that but the king could deligate a handfull of subjects of his fraction witch provided stat buffs to there character for the duration that person remained king of wei or what ever zone and they would be like the envoy of wei as a title above your name basicly the ultimate bragging rights in the game where being king or one of his personal guard's , and unless you where either willing to one pay to get that strong , or pay there taxes to be ALLOWED OUT OF THE TOWN to grind .... you just quit or sat in arena/ some hidden out of bounds area in the edge of the starting town on some white background mountain pvping with some intense kung fu nonsense.
It's because people live in a black and white world and have no sense of nuance. It's gotten so bad that you can't even critique FF because the rabid fanbase see's any critique of FF as a compliment to Blizzard. Same thing with American politics, you can't critique trashy corporate same donors as republicans having democrats because any critique of a democrat is somehow a +1 for republican in their mind. People lack the ability to separate the opinion of one particular point and the defense of the subject. I do a lot of political and social debate and I encounter this A LOT. Tell someone that Hitler had well polished shoes and you will see what I mean.
Shit on warchief gaming, dreamheaven and all companies they will create in the future. Also no money for every company which hires Afrasabi. Remember their Names and let everything they get in contact with starve. If i see a company hired a blizz employee which is an assgrabber ... no money for them. Doesnt matter if its a CEO or a gamemaster!
Pyromancer is back in WoW now. Like a lot of others Chris Metzen called them back and they came.
People keep talking about leveling jobs but no one told me that jobs like red Mage and Samurai start at 50... that's a HUGE difference!
The biggest problem is that the game is in the books. Why make a game if you are going to tell the story in the book? Why pay 15$ subscription? What is the reason to play this game? It's a shell of a game. Their business plan needs to change, all the lore needs to be in the game. Novels need to be about some completely unrelated stories to the current WOW lore. Plus the story is ruined right now. Pyromancer is right. There is no reason to play this game.
Me and pyro had some in common we are fans of wow lore
I have 4 books the jaina, illdan shadows of horde (vol'jin) and chronicles part 1
Sad part is you had read book like the jaina to understand about garrosh and his mana bomb
Worst part was bfa when turn character into samething as garrosh pandaria i gave up.
WoW should've ended at either Wotlk or Legion. BFA and Shadowlands just destroyed a great game
People keep watching this guy after he disrespects and insults them? I don't understand the business model.
type /quit, no need to eat at the same place when the food become sucks cause they change the cheff, and move to new restaurant and no need to keep observe that old restaurant praying it will become legend again , easy
The lore ends the moment Arthas defeats illadan and takes upon the throne as the Lich King.
I fully understand his anger i love pyromancers content. I feel just like that after 17 years of subbing taking a break once here and there. I do feel like the money and time were wasted and the lore is just meh writing.
it took me like 3 months to hit max level and i played like 6 hours a day in ffxiv
Chat is so fucking toxic tho lmao but gotta be true to twitch chat standards I guess
damn bro u didnt even make it 1minute into the video and you already paused it 4 times lol
Blizzard North 500 x > Activision.
It seems to me that Blizz ripped the token idea from Eve. Only difference is, Eve's token can be used to sell OR redeemed for another month's subscription making grinding for one worth it in case you don't happen to have $15 to spare that month. Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't redeem a token for a sub month in WoW which basically screams Blizz is trying to get a cut on the goldfarmer's market.
Yes, you can use a token to pay for a sub month. Basically, people buy the token for $20 and Blizzard sells it to players for in-game gold. That amount of gold is given to the person who bought the token. Anyone who has the token can use it to either pay for a sub month or they can get $15 (I think) of Blizzard Balance to pay for things like store mounts. Realistically, people only buy tokens with gold to pay for their sub. Farming enough gold to buy something like a store mount on top of that would amount to farming enough gold for 3 tokens (or more). That's why Pyro says nobody does that.
Ahhhh.. thanks for the clarification
Blizzimps be like "I can change him!"
"I'm pausing way too much." lol
haha 2 months later blizzard takes away the art
No no no Mr, you don t get this or act like you don t. THE MAP OF OUTLAND IS TOO SMALL TO FARM ON. i think i solved your mistery. Have a nice day. That;s why alot say it's fine buying gold. You have those hungry wankers camping the same spot 24/7 . Even at 5 am . That is why players say it's better buying gold.
The story was showing red flags the second the battle between The Lich King and Sylvanas started
Apparently, Sylvanas has been working this plan with Zovaal since the end of Wrath of the Lich King, which is just laughable. There are plot holes as early as Legion, yet they have the gall to say it's been planned since Wrath?
Sadly WoW is over, gone and now a memory, if there's still people playing I recommend actual private servers where you can cast three aoe spells in one area without lagging the whole zone.
The indie company servers in Blizzard entertainment can't handle it.
Support private servers will hurt Blizzard, so they end ruining their reputation to the point of giving up entirely on the IP by trying to cease and desist them all.
Continue supporting Blizzard and die along with it, or join us in private adventures.
...FF14 is not hard to level up. I'm new to MMO so i play trial FF14 and play for 3 weeks:
6 War Job - level 50++ (duty finder dungeon go brr. )
PLD,WHM,SCH,SMN,BRD and BLM
Land JOB - lvl 40-50
Hand JOB - CPR 50, WVR 40, others lvl 20
And for this 2 days I'm gonna focus on LTR and GSM
Just finish Garuda MSQ, having hard time with so many key binding and skills, still learning which Job is suitable for me. I did well with range Job and big fan on healer job.
They compare it to Hydlide
I didn't know who pyro was, I've never had much to do with WoW but damn dude...that was raw, you could tell the anger was coming from the fact that he loved WoW and now it probably just feels...tainted. Glad he got all that pent up emotion out, you could it was therapeutic as hell to just get it out.
Comparing wow's level boost is not possible. Wow is torture to level from 1 to max for all characters and the main point is to get new race/class combos for themes. It takes a long time of boring and tedious content, where leveling is just stupid because it doesnt help, and you dont learn anything. They might as well delete the old wow content. The gear treadmill is so fast that new content becomes pointless because you can farm old content so much faster
Pyro made all the good videos about the lore of WoW an explained every tiny bit he found out for the players that are interested
But Blizzard make everything so vague and split it in so many pieces over so much time that it is now just junk.
Pyros whole worklive is around this and the Company just shit on WoW and on many of their employees and the WoW patches and addon gets worse and worse and the money milking stronger and stronger.
And now where people are leaving, magicly Blizzard pushes patches out that have features that fans wanted for years.
The bad thing here is, they can do this anytime BUT they dont BECAUSE they know, the players always get some good stuff and than you milk them a little longe.
Like crack, first a little for free and than high price when the addicted want more, the crack gets less pure so the dealer gets more money out of it and the costumes get more ill every time.
Awe man, I'm still getting D2R but not for blizzards sake, V Vision deserves some love for the effort and love they put into the game, listening to what we want fixed changed all that, VV deserves a good slap on the back, true artist when it comes to remasters! Aside from VV blizzard north was when blizzard put out great content, the loss of them really started the landslide of quality from them at least imo.
The last 8 years of blizzard has turned me and people like me from having to find reasons NOT to play their games to now needing reasons to even check them out.
Even compared to other WoW expansions the lore in SL is pure trash.
Retcons NEVER make for good story telling and that's all SL has.
When Sylvanus burned Teldrassil there really was no illusions anymore about how poor things had become. Especially since it amounted to nothing and was just purely there for shock value and to give streamers something to talk about for a bit.
All WoW is made for is for a reaction, it doesn't matter what the reaction is but just a reaction. There is no bigger meaning behind any of it or some grand narrative for any of their choices, it's just make it up as you go along and do something big to make people go 😮 or 🤨
Never followed pyromancer before.... but I do now! :D also Rurikhan recently discovered you, thanks for speaking the truth and the laughs while I'm at work. Much love and stay safe :)
This problem is an easy fix right ? to not make it pay to win ? Just dont let people sell the tokens. You can buy it for gold or $ , but you cant sell it? The question whether they wanna do it or not.
To be honest , if wow didnt feel like prison .. I could ignore the p2w aspect.
me too i wanted to play d2, but fuck em. :)
atm I play battle brothers, a indie game which has a top tier modding community, the legends mod is the best thing :D
As pyromancer was talking about the lore of WoW I got destiny 1flashbacks on how the deeper lore was on a separate website
this man is heart broken
I bought a boost and story skip because as a dumb 19 year old i got doxxed and hacked and lost pretty much every account i had in terms of gaming. so i skipped to the end of heavensward which is where i ended my time back then, its great to be playing again, like nothing ever changed. but not everyone has the same experience
No, leveling isn't haard, the game itself isn't hard outside of extreme/savage raids, but leveling alt jobs is tedious af. Yes a learning curve is great, but oh god is it tedious.