Bill Simmons - Joel Embiid Is Now BETTER Than Prime SHAQ | Sports 360
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- The Ringers Bill Simmons thinks that Joel Embiid is now BETTER than Prime Shaq!!
Simmons points out an interesting comparison: In 2000, Shaquille O’Neal scored an average of 29.7 points per game during his MVP season. Now, Embiid is doing even better by getting over 35 points each game. The tiny difference is in Embiid’s better free-throw shooting. For Simmons, this makes him a better player than the famous Shaq.
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As long as Embiid's numbers drop during the play-offs he is not in Shaq's class. It really seemed in past seasons that teams allow Embiid going berserk during regular season and then stifle him during the play-offs with defensive schemes he can't handle.
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He has more points than minutes played. Only player to do that for a season was Wilt over 60 years ago.
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I love Bill and Embiid. Embiid is not better than Shaq. He might get there, but that would be a truly monumental achievement. Shaq dominated in the Finals. Joel has yet to get there.
Thanks for watching, I agree with everything that you said 👍
If Prime Shaq and Prime Embiid matched up against each other, Shaq would put up 45 points, 17 rebounds, and 3 poster dunks on Embiid in 3 quarters. Embiid would have 15 points, 4 rebounds, and ejected in 3 quarters. Also, Shaq puts up 25 points while being guarded by the weak Mo Bamba in the 4th quarter.
To summarize it, Shaq puts up 70 points.
Ppl always talk about Joel “shrinking” in the playoffs but people always leave out context. No one talks about him missing a game or more than one in legit every playoffs due to injury other than 2020. Torn meniscus, sprained MCL, fractured orbital bone, a fracture in his fucking skull. Everyone’s stats lower with THOSE injuries. I’m not ready to say Embiid is better than Shaq yet, but he has the potential to be.
Thanks for watching mate 👍
@@sports360media no problem, very good video!
I appreciate the kind words mate 👊
I grew up in Orlando, I was 17 when the Magic drafted Shaq. I watched him live at many games, his brute force, power and athleticism is just incomparable to any player since him. On offense, Embiid is much more polished individually with his ball handling and shooting, but his effect on the team's offense isn't close to Shaq.
Shaq was so powerful physically that the opposing team's defense would collapse trying to defend him, creating wide open 3 pointers on double-teams, and if you didn't double him, he would just spin and dunk on anyone. His effect on defense was similar because of how much space he filled in the paint, causing opponents to alter shots or get blocked. His ability to erase mistakes by perimeter players, allowed them to take chances on defense, creating many fast breaks on steals.
Embiid is a more talented & skilled player than peak Shaquille. He’s NOWHERE NEAR as dominate a force ESPECIALLY in ANY playoff he’s been in, as peak championship winning Shaq. Shaq ROSE in the playoffs. Embiid seems to shrink. The fact that this doesn’t stop Bill from getting carried away with overhyping Embiid’s usual regular season dominance, is almost disappointing given Bill’s almost lifetime experience with the game.
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Shaq was paired with a player who is more than likely the second or third best player to have ever lived. Please, please, please make the justification that having Ben Simmons scrub ass is the same as having Kobe. Embid has also unfortunately had a string of bad luck. He got elbowed one year and came back with a fractured face, he tore his meniscus another season, etc. You can hate on Embid all you want but he’s a monster and he keeps getting better year after year. Shaq never rounded out his game, never conditioned himself, and became a liability on defense by the time he was 30.
@@jasonwilliams3789 He didn't have Ben Simmons the last 2 seasons, and it still ended before the conference finals. What player is 100% or in many cases, close to it at a certain point in the playoffs? I'm not hatin on Embiid. I'm just not cool with moving him ahead of a 4X NBA champion and 3X finals MVP who even with whatever limitations he did have in his skill set, was still at his peak, the most dominant force the league has EVER seen this side of Wilt Chamberlain. Embiid needs to prove he can take a team to a title as the unquestioned #1 just like any other all-time great big man, including 2 in his own era who've already proven this, Jokic and Giannis.
This is laughable. Shaq averaged 33, 16, and 5 against the defensive player of the year in the 01’ finals. Bill Simmons can really have some bad takes, he’s a pro at it.
Agreed mate.. thanks for watching 👍
So you see what Joel routinely does to Rudy Gobert ? Different time, less talent. Even different rules ie illegal defense for one. This isn’t saying Embiid is better than Shaq just adding more information that people often don’t factor in.
@@shabazz360Rudy's not allowed to sneeze within 15 feet of Embiid or else it's a foul. It's easy buckets when defenders are 5 feet off you due to refs
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@@coreyczech why is Al Horford or Bam always all up in Embiid and they don’t get whistled every 5 seconds 🤷🏾♂️. Lemme guess, the refs have a personal vendetta against Rudy Gobert ?
Some fun Joel Embiid playoff facts:
The best team he's beaten in the playoffs is the 2022 5th seed Raptors led by Siakam and FVV
He averages 22 PPG on 49.2% TS in elimination games(a 9 game sample size)
In NO playoff run has he ever averaged more assists than turnovers
He is the ONLY MVP in league history to never make the conference finals
This year, he had the biggest PPG drop from the RS to the playoffs of any MVP winning season
He turned the ball over 8 times in back to back elimination games against the Hawks in 2021
He's shot under 20% from three over his last two playoff runs
He had a worse eFG% than Russell Westbrook during the 2023 playoffs
With a chance to go up 3-1, Joel Embiid went 0-12 in the second half against the 5 seeded Hawks in game 4, including missing a wide open layup to take the lead
He got stripped by Danilo Gallnari to seal the loss in game 7
Down 3 in game 5 of the same series with 15 seconds left, he missed BOTH free throws to seal the game
All of his offensive numbers(PPG, RPG, APG, TOs, FG%, 3P%, FT%) are worse in the playoffs than in the regular season aside from FT%
He has only won ONE playoff series in his career where he played in all four wins(2022 vs. Toronto)
He is 0-3 in game 7s and has posted a 49% TS and 5.3 TOs a game in those 3 games
He once got swept in a series despite averaging FIFTEEN free throws per game(2020 vs. Boston)
Over the last two seasons, he has a 9.2 BPM in the regular season(box plus minus) and a 1.0 BPM in the playoffs
WORST OF ALL: HE IS 9/38 IN CLUTCH(within 5 points, last 5 minutes by NBA definition) SITUATIONS DURING HIS PLAYOFF CAREER, WITH AN UNFATHOMABLE TS% of 35.7%
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Some good points that you have made here, heaps of good stats here.
@@sports360media No, actually he didn't make any of these points. He plagiarized it from a 6 month old post.
Oh.. ok then
hating on Shaq is allowed and its sad. Shaq played in this league would have Embiid as ar b due chicken. Shaq went to 6 finals won 4 chips the last man to 3 peat in the finals, let's see Embiid get to an Eastern conference finals and lead a team and not pull a Casper. bill Simmons be snorting some cake or something
I am a lifelong Sixers fan but, Simmons is always good for a hot take. Joel has more talent than Shaq, I don't think anyone would disagree. However, Joel is not better than Shaq at the moment. He needs to have consistency for a longer period. Shaq was completely unstoppable and if he hit free-throws he would have averaged 30+. If Joel can put this run together for the rest of the year then I would agree. Being this dominant for the first 3 months of a given season. This is the first year he is really dominating. He is driving and finishing with dunks for the first time this December. Ninety-nine times he puts up a soft lay-up which is miss sometimes or he misses because he is fouled. People literally try to block his layups. NOBODY tried to block Shaq 5 feet from the rim. Embiid can get that same respect. But I think he is trying not to put that much ware on his body.
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Embiid has more talent by FAR than Shaq. Shaq was just too big, thats why he couldnt be stopped.
Embiid is my favorite player but he is not better than Shaq yet. Shaq had something that you don’t see on the stats sheet!! He was the cheat code the bully of the NBA!! Unstoppable force!! To make it clear Shaq took your heart!! Embiid is not taking hearts yet!! Something he needs to work on!!
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100% mate 👍
Embiid’s game is better than Shaq. And I seen Shaq play my whole life
If we’re talking about Prime then yes, Embiid’s best is better than Shaq’s best. (Not really close honestly)
But we’re talking overall and it’s Shaq. (Again, Not really close honestly)
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I agree with one of your points
This version never shows up in the playoffs. Never. He shows up in the regular season.
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Hard to say. The game and the rules have changed so much since Shaq played. Things to consider: Illegal defense (i.e. Shaq couldn't be double teamed until he got the ball), backing down a player, there's so much more offensive skill in the game now that you can't just have two stars and a bunch of defensive specialists, more rules now to limit physical play and fouling, players are bigger, faster and longer now.
So now free throw make you a better player 🤡🤡🤡 what a joke
This team we have now with the 76ers is built properly. Embiid will have no excuses going forward not to perform in the playoffs. This team reminds me of 94-95 Rockets. We have alot of options. Heild, Maxey, Harris, Melton, etc, etc...
Season stats…. Embiid better average 40 in the playoffs, if that happens they win title this year, but if he averages below 30 ppg like he has had in every season… maybe 2nd round exit again… comparing him to a 3 time finals mvp in Shaq is pointless…
I'm surprised Bill Simmons is bringing up statistics in such a disingenuine manner . Availability is the best ability and Joel embiid doesn't have that
Bill Simmons needs to b drug tested.Aint fn with the Diesel
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The one caveat that I think people are ignoring is that embiid is playing (on average) less the 3 quarters of each game!! That 99-2000 year when shaq averaged 29.7 he played a like 6 more minutes a game than Joel. That’s half a quarter!!!!
That should be ignored. The best defense in NBA's history was played right after Shaq three-peated. While the worst defense is played today.
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I don’t think Joel is better then Shaq at this point in time. But he is a better more versatile scorer. Also, Joel isn’t “settling” for long jumpers. He is shooting 60% for 15-19ft. For perspective, That is on par and even slightly better than KD’s highest percentage from that range. And running the offense from top of key allows him to facilitate the ball and avoid the double teams he gets in the post. Not to mention, post scoring takes a lot of energy which would greatly fatigue a scorer shooting the volume Embiid shoots. And for an injury prone player like Embiid, being fatigued is when most injuries occur.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment in such detail mate 👍
No human being in the world is better than Shaq at anything!
EMBIID is probably goint to be in the TOP 10 in centers...RIGHT now he cant be there since he plays in a WEAK EAST COAST and cant even make his team a TOP 3 team ...
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shaq doesnt get the chips as easy as people think now . they woulld foul the absolute crap out of him truth is the best fouls are on the catch and they werent doing that until he had won his final title in miami. that 50% free throw clip when the other team is answering it with a barrage of three point attempts is an absolute killer. now you can compllain about this tactic i hate it too but it is what it is.
Only if he could shoot 75%......
@@sports360media goat
@@sports360media everything changes if he makes 75 to 80% ft
For a start his true shooting percentage would be astronomical. Teams would have to throw low contact triple teams at him and the moment you go from double to triple team there is a guy like Dennis Scott just setting their feet and measuring better than anything else in the nba . Shaq probably wouldn’t get the assist because most apg in that situation are hockey assists but his gravity would cause it. He will always be my what if player. It’s also worth considering once a player is 80% from free throw there can develop a jumper too .
It’s not unreasonable to imagine him getting 38 a game. Jojo is at 35 ish in 30 minutes shaqs body is miles above jojo
Great points mate, agreed the hockey assists would've been a big number 👍
NUMBERS DON'T LIE.
Right them rings numbers don't lie 🤷🏾♂️
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Figures don’t lie but liars do figure. Mark Twain.
Saying numbers don’t lie is so dumb. Like who thinks Emmitt Smith is the goat!?!? As if games were averaging 250 points a game like today 😂. Anyone who saw Shaq in his prime knows whats up.
The only thing that end the debate is playoof success. Shaq while dominate played with three of the best gaurds in there prime. Penny , kobe and wade and realy good roaster construction Embiids rosters have been mess changing every year. 6,10 point gaurd who wouldnt shoot or want to go foul line. Butler leaving after one year. Then he seem to be hurt or get hurt every playoff. He is clearly more skilled. Until he gets at least get to a final os hard say he is better
Been that way
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Embiid is the most talented big to ever play this game. Greatest ? Nah. Gotta put up the accolades. There’s no way around it. If you drop him in past eras he’d eat every big man for breakfast especially with those illegal defense rules pre-2005.
Thanks for watching @shabazz360 👍 agreed that Embiid has the talent, but no where better than Shaq 👍
@@sports360media better, not Greater but better. It’s actually easier to score back then out of the post with the old rules. You either had to play 1 on 1 or commit to a full double team. Now you can zone and leave defenders waiting in passing lanes. That’s why Embiid has moved more to the middle of the floor than the low post because it’s never been harder to score in the low post than it is now.
Shaq would probably live at the free throw line with the amount of fouls he would create in today's rules ( which wouldn't be the best outcome 🤣)
@@sports360media the same way Giannis does. He averages more free throws than Embiid. No one talks about it because he ain’t good at them.
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i think we are getting caught up and we have to look at word choice here....
he said he thinks embiid is a better player than prime shaq... a tall task but as he broke it down his argument is valid...
embiid may be a better player than him when you consider his skill set and production..
hes just as dominant of an inside scorer as shaq.. for his career embiid is 74% from 0-3 from the basket...
and shaq is also 74% from this range the difference lies in the amount of shots they take from this range...
embiid only takes around 28% of his shots from this distance while shaq is at 51% with another 40+% within 10feet... meaning shaq 90% of his attempts came from inside the paint... while for embiid its barely half...
well that jus comes down to what you like
cuz the stats will tell you that shaq career TS% is 58.4% while embiid is higher at 61.4%...
meaning embiid production as a scorer is overall more efficient...
and yes for the time being shaq does have the ring count...
but shaq didnt win his first chip till year 8 with an up and coming kobe bryant..
embiid is currently in year 8 with an up and coming tyreese maxey... not saying maxey is kobe... but his role on the team is very similar.. minus some defensive responsibility...
the only problem is 1) will embiid stay healthy and 2) the rest of the league is wayyyyyyyyy more talented and balanced than it was back then...
in the east.. embiid has to go through a top tier power forward in giannis similar to shaq going through duncan.. but he also has the celtics to deal with that have been to more conference finals than any team outside of the warriors over the past decade... and look like serious contenders this season...
out west potentially Denver who has someone whos challenging him for best center in the league.. and to some is the best player in the game rn...
those are the major threats right now...
you still have teams like lakers and warriors who look bad now but might make moves at the deadline and have the veteran and championship DNA to make noise in the playoffs....
you have young teams that are out for blood like the thunder, twolves, mavs, and kings....
and then you have the experimental super teams in the clippers and suns that if they somehow manage to string it together come playoff time might just win it all....
so in the east i count 3 power houses in 76ers, celtics and bucks.. out west its really just the nuggets but with about 5-7 teams that potentially could upset some higher seeds...
todays league is crazy...
from 1999 after jordan retired till 2005 the lakers and spurs won every chip bar 1 in 2004... thats combied thats 6 chips in a 7 year span represented by one conference...
its safe to say the east was trash back then and the lakers only had one team out west to worry about in the spurs cuz they were also uniquely equipped to handle shaq with two of the best big men in duncan and robinson.. twin towers 2.0 if it wasnt for kobe the lakers probably dont make it oast them as shaq struggled...
and my last point would be that shaq before breaking through for his 3 peat..
he was swept out of the playoffs 5 times out of a total 6 playoff appearances... so joel not making it past 2nd round in his first 7 seasons isnt that bad...
Hi Chris, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment in such detail mate 👍
You make some great points here on both players, but for me I taking Shaq... thanks again 👍
Embiid being considered one of if not the best player in the NBA and better than arguably the most dominating player in NBA history, yet never making it to even a conference finals, is definitely a big deal. Especially when two of the other best big man in the game, Giannis and Jokić, are literally NBA champions and fmvp’s to go with it. In a vacuum, Embiid is better than Shaquille if you compare them prime for prime. But all things considered, he ain’t on Shaq’s level, YET.
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I’m waiting until the playoffs. If he flames out again like he always has this take is gonna age horribly
Yep, agreed 100%
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Until Kobe grew into his body, Shaq had been exposed in the playoffs. Pair Embid with Kobe and there wouldn’t be enough space in the rafters for so many championships
Thanks for watching @jasonwilliams!! Not sure if I'm with you quite yet.... Shaq did make two other finals without Kobe ( and won one)... let's see if Embiid can at least get to one first 👍
Shaq got exposed in his first trip with the Magic. The Heat were a great team, not much to say there. I can’t forget watching Ben Wallace embarrass him in his last trip with the Lakers. He was like 30 or 31 years old and cooked. Embid is 30 and keeps getting better.
@@jasonwilliams3789 Shaq was voted top 50 of all time after 3 seasons. What are you talking about. If anything Penny got exposed because he wasn’t a closer like Kobe and that’s what he needed. Embiid is no where near as physically dominant as Shaq was. Wow
The disrespect to jokic is crazy
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@@sports360media It's not disrespect, he has 2 MVPs. But the true center position is about dominance. That's why Russell is never considered the GOAT of Centers and he has 11 rings. Joker is not dominant. I play ball and I would rather go against Joker everyday of the week than Embiid or Shaq. I don't think there is a player in the league who would say different. Joker is like a giant guard and he is great, but he is not dominant.
@bjt81366 I wouldn't argue against that
Embiid is way more disrespected.
Diesel all day er day but ya gotta cut Embiid some slack in regards to his perimeter game. Remember, he payed with Ben Si mons for 4 years. Joel HAD to over rely on his perimeter
I been thinking the same thing embiid might just be better than shaq. Embiid taking jumpers is not settling , he has the ability to make those shots
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I agree
You agree that Embiid is better than prime Shaq?
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by farrrrrr the better player. Shaq dominated because of his size, not his skill. And Im a Laker fan
No one asked what team you're a fan of, mentioning it doesn't make you any less delusional 😂
so we are only allowed to comment on what we are asked about? This is interesting. Thank you. I apologize
FYI - I'm still taking Shaq 🤣
@user-nz2qs9ik2k not about what you're asked about... it's about making blasphemous comments. Apology accepted though 👍🏽
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Not even close to Shaq yet. Maybe in free throws and 3-points made.
Naw,bulls or clippers will take him down
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@@sports360media The Utah jazz or look at the sixers games coming,Joel is not gonna make it,be cause I care .I have seen the nets and the jazz hurt butler,and gave our team mate Haywood a concussion.I don't like what's coming to the sixer.Keep laughing cause it's not funny
@@sports360media The bulls won the first three games on the sixers,and they haven't played clippers yet,your point is?!
Hey mate thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, I really do appreciate it 👍
Sorry, I'm not really following you on this one.. thanks again 👍
Reference disagrees, and metrics dont' lie.
He's good, but better than prime shaq? come on man.
100% mate
Jokic is better than Shaq and so is Giannis.
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