Please LIKE the video and SUBSCRIBE! I need it, tbh. (Deleted the line about Team Hooligan by accident... ooof). But Fang, Bean and Bark could have also been a team.
Shadow wasn't in the original project plan for Heroes because they intended for Shadow to stay dead after Sonic Adventure 2. His massive popularity after the game is what made them include him and come up with the whole "Shadow Android" thing to make a possible explanation as for why he is here.
So the 18 characters who would’ve been in the original version of Sonic Heroes were going to be: Team Sonic: 1). Sonic 2). Tails 3). Knuckles Team Amy: 4). Amy 5). Rouge 6). Cream Team Chaotix: 7). Vector 8). Espio 9). Charmy Team Chaos: 10). Chaos 11). E-102 Gamma (later changed to E-123 Omega) 12). Big Team Hooligan: 13). Fang 14). Bean 15). Bark Team (Unknown Name): 16). Metal Sonic 17). Mighty 18). Ray
Honestly, those should’ve been the teams in the actual game and Shadow should’ve returned in his own game instead and then team dark will be formed later in it.
The Metallic designs might have inspired the Zombot arc in the IDW Sonic comics, Ian Flynn used a lot of trivia, glitches, etc to make the comic’s stories
Ray and Mighty was going to be in Heroes?! 😮 If it ever gets a sequel that HAS to happen along with Team hooligan (Fang, Bean and Bark). A playable Metal Sonic would be awesome too.
I think a Sonic Heroes 2 is a long overdue game. I think the Team Idea is a great one & if refined from the lessons learned in Sonic Heroes 1, could be a classic waiting in the making. Team wise, I’d love to see the 4 Teams from the original game return, but also new ones like: Team Dimensions: . Silver The Hedgehog . Blaze The Cat . Marine The Raccoon Team Hooligan: . Fang The Hunter . Bean The Dynamite . Bark The Polar Bear Team Classics: . Mighty The Armadillo . Ray The Flying Squirrel . Honey The Cat Team Metal: . Metal Sonic . Tails Doll . Metal Knuckles Some mix up Teams would also be cool (like what wad possible in the fan-game Sonic World), like: Team Triple S: . Sonic The Hedgehog . Shadow The Hedgehog . Silver The Hedgehog Team Passion: . Amy Rose . Blaze The Cat . Rouge The Bat
As interesting as the team structures of Sonic Heroes being shaken up is... I'll always appreciate how the teams came out. Because honestly, some team dynamics people try to hype up have either no chemistry, or just sound lame as heck to me. Team Dark works really well... because of those characters being morally gray, and a biiit selfish in motives, but still heroic in the end. Team Chaotix is a dynamic that should NEVER be mixed up... because they're some of the best characters as a comedic group. Trying to seperate Vector from Espio & Charmy will always be stupid. And Team Sonic is just inseparable. They're too iconic. The ONE team I can kinda see being janky... is Team Rose. As Big doooes feel out of place next to Amy & Cream. But his contrast kinda makes it funnier. And he gives them some much needed whimsy. If I had to replace him with a proper game verse character, best I could think is maybe... Gemerl. And if we ever did get a sequel... I'd love custom teams, and the ability to make new ones. Which for those... I think a team with Mighty & Ray, maybe paired with Trip, could be interesting. As her shy and unadventurous attitude would be a nice contrast to the two of them. A Team Hooligan as an antagonistic team is an easy add bro. Like... Fang, Bean, & Bark have so much untapped potential. Its not even funny. And of course, a team to give Blaze & Silver love, with the final member beiiiing... Marine. Who is definitely a rough pick, and an uneventful character in the grand scheme of Sonic... But she's a hero who makes sense to partner with Blaze, cause Rush games. Those games deserve more love. And I like the idea of these two serious responsible characters basically babysitting this more inexperienced hero wannabe. Anything else just feels forced to me. Metal Sonic doesn't really need a team at all. Tails Doll & Metal Knuckles are not characters with as much depth as him. And he works best solo, with only occasional teamups. Eggman is too villainous and grand. Only really working in the SA2 Dark Story team dynamic. The Babylon Rogues are cool af... but they work best in the Riders games honestly. But I wouldn't entirely reject them as a new team since they're established. Screw the Deadly Six, screw Infinite, let Tikal & Chaos rest in peace thank you very much... And I do not carrrre about all the dang NON-MAINLINE characters folks try to push. Like Sticks, the IDW folks, etc. Flynn sneaking their names in the English Sonic Frontiers script be damned lol. And no one even dare to bring up mf Classic Sonic to me... lmao. But yeah. That's my long winded take.
Wild how this video about Sonic Heroes' early team variants doesn't mention that Team Hooligan was planned for the game, but does mention the Sonic 06 kiss. Because somehow that's more relevant than the thing in the title I guess lol Edited in addition: if you're looking for a source, this video starts off by bringing up a tweet by the games writer Shiro Maekawa. That tweet is the source. That tweet mentions them by name with all the other characters. I honestly have absolutely no idea how they got skipped over in the script.
@@GameFactsSpeciallol that's actually way funnier than them just being forgotten about. Also that last part I edited in at the end was directed at anyone else who read that comment. I didn't want someone to pop up and go "what's your source on this?" (Something I like, I like seeing people's sources). Hope it didn't seem passive aggressive or something, I mostly just commented because I thought that it was funny. I wouldn't comment on a video if I didn't respect it. This was a very good video. Hope that comment and this reply helps with the algorithm! Have a nice day.
Is now the time to give some further feedback regarding the voiceover? I dunno if it's just me, but the heightened enthusiasm in the delivery makes me feel like I am being spoken to like a child. Otherwise I enjoy the information and pacing of these videos
That’s not gonna happen, because some of the characters are now trapped in the classic games forever and cannot appear in any modern for some reason and also they’re still too scared to have a lot of characters playable since recent games only have them as DLC.
Big being only eighteen feels super wrong to me, and while Amy being twelve does explain somewhat Sonic's reactions to her, that doesn't sit right with me either
i kinda wish that they kept the og teams tbh. we couldve gotten even more classic characters in modern (team hooligan, mighty and ray), and we wouldnt have had shadow's sacrifice in sa2 ruined
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@@GameFactsSpecial Yep Probably Because I Had A Lot Of Teams Working For It I Was Part Of Team B! Team A Was Working On The Music And Quality Sound Team B Was Working On The Voice Acting! And Team C Was Working On The Recording, Video, Description And Video Process! Eventually We Had The Teams To Be Split Up With Some Of The Members From Team C Moving Away And Some Team A Members Quitting As Of Now We Have 2 Teams!
I do not think Sonic heroes was banking on nostalgia. It was aimed to an audience of fans like me who were not even born in genesis era and original Sonic fans were in their 30’s and grown by the point of heroes. Original Sonic fans passed their fandom onto their kids and bought the games for them like my Dad did for me but I did not see any older fans playing it, same is the case for mega collection
Ok i know this is the most fucking nitpicky thing ever but at 0:51 when they say gamma they dont put gamma over omega which would imply the people who made this video doesnt know theyre different characters
Please LIKE the video and SUBSCRIBE! I need it, tbh. (Deleted the line about Team Hooligan by accident... ooof). But Fang, Bean and Bark could have also been a team.
Shadow wasn't in the original project plan for Heroes because they intended for Shadow to stay dead after Sonic Adventure 2. His massive popularity after the game is what made them include him and come up with the whole "Shadow Android" thing to make a possible explanation as for why he is here.
So the 18 characters who would’ve been in the original version of Sonic Heroes were going to be:
Team Sonic:
1). Sonic
2). Tails
3). Knuckles
Team Amy:
4). Amy
5). Rouge
6). Cream
Team Chaotix:
7). Vector
8). Espio
9). Charmy
Team Chaos:
10). Chaos
11). E-102 Gamma (later changed to E-123 Omega)
12). Big
Team Hooligan:
13). Fang
14). Bean
15). Bark
Team (Unknown Name):
16). Metal Sonic
17). Mighty
18). Ray
Probably something like Team Sonic? due to the coloring of the characters.
Honestly, those should’ve been the teams in the actual game and Shadow should’ve returned in his own game instead and then team dark will be formed later in it.
The Metallic designs might have inspired the Zombot arc in the IDW Sonic comics, Ian Flynn used a lot of trivia, glitches, etc to make the comic’s stories
Ray and Mighty was going to be in Heroes?! 😮 If it ever gets a sequel that HAS to happen along with Team hooligan (Fang, Bean and Bark). A playable Metal Sonic would be awesome too.
Metal Sonic could be with Metal Tails and Metal Knuckles, moreso after Superstarts managed to pull them back.
Too late because those characters are now trapped in the classic games forever.
tbh i would've loved having Metal Sonic betray Mighty and Ray after their story before the final boss.
I think a Sonic Heroes 2 is a long overdue game. I think the Team Idea is a great one & if refined from the lessons learned in Sonic Heroes 1, could be a classic waiting in the making.
Team wise, I’d love to see the 4 Teams from the original game return, but also new ones like:
Team Dimensions:
. Silver The Hedgehog
. Blaze The Cat
. Marine The Raccoon
Team Hooligan:
. Fang The Hunter
. Bean The Dynamite
. Bark The Polar Bear
Team Classics:
. Mighty The Armadillo
. Ray The Flying Squirrel
. Honey The Cat
Team Metal:
. Metal Sonic
. Tails Doll
. Metal Knuckles
Some mix up Teams would also be cool (like what wad possible in the fan-game Sonic World), like:
Team Triple S:
. Sonic The Hedgehog
. Shadow The Hedgehog
. Silver The Hedgehog
Team Passion:
. Amy Rose
. Blaze The Cat
. Rouge The Bat
If Big is 18, that has serious implications
As interesting as the team structures of Sonic Heroes being shaken up is... I'll always appreciate how the teams came out. Because honestly, some team dynamics people try to hype up have either no chemistry, or just sound lame as heck to me.
Team Dark works really well... because of those characters being morally gray, and a biiit selfish in motives, but still heroic in the end.
Team Chaotix is a dynamic that should NEVER be mixed up... because they're some of the best characters as a comedic group. Trying to seperate Vector from Espio & Charmy will always be stupid.
And Team Sonic is just inseparable. They're too iconic.
The ONE team I can kinda see being janky... is Team Rose. As Big doooes feel out of place next to Amy & Cream. But his contrast kinda makes it funnier. And he gives them some much needed whimsy. If I had to replace him with a proper game verse character, best I could think is maybe... Gemerl.
And if we ever did get a sequel... I'd love custom teams, and the ability to make new ones. Which for those...
I think a team with Mighty & Ray, maybe paired with Trip, could be interesting. As her shy and unadventurous attitude would be a nice contrast to the two of them.
A Team Hooligan as an antagonistic team is an easy add bro. Like... Fang, Bean, & Bark have so much untapped potential. Its not even funny.
And of course, a team to give Blaze & Silver love, with the final member beiiiing... Marine. Who is definitely a rough pick, and an uneventful character in the grand scheme of Sonic... But she's a hero who makes sense to partner with Blaze, cause Rush games. Those games deserve more love. And I like the idea of these two serious responsible characters basically babysitting this more inexperienced hero wannabe.
Anything else just feels forced to me. Metal Sonic doesn't really need a team at all. Tails Doll & Metal Knuckles are not characters with as much depth as him. And he works best solo, with only occasional teamups.
Eggman is too villainous and grand. Only really working in the SA2 Dark Story team dynamic.
The Babylon Rogues are cool af... but they work best in the Riders games honestly. But I wouldn't entirely reject them as a new team since they're established.
Screw the Deadly Six, screw Infinite, let Tikal & Chaos rest in peace thank you very much...
And I do not carrrre about all the dang NON-MAINLINE characters folks try to push. Like Sticks, the IDW folks, etc. Flynn sneaking their names in the English Sonic Frontiers script be damned lol.
And no one even dare to bring up mf Classic Sonic to me... lmao. But yeah. That's my long winded take.
Cream solo (Or flying solo in general) isn't just a mod only thing. You can find those attacks after leaving the other two characters on switches.
Right, the mod makes it happen all the time.
Wild how this video about Sonic Heroes' early team variants doesn't mention that Team Hooligan was planned for the game, but does mention the Sonic 06 kiss. Because somehow that's more relevant than the thing in the title I guess lol
Edited in addition:
if you're looking for a source, this video starts off by bringing up a tweet by the games writer Shiro Maekawa. That tweet is the source. That tweet mentions them by name with all the other characters. I honestly have absolutely no idea how they got skipped over in the script.
Uhh well thanks for the info... I guess... but tbh it was originally in the script and must have deleted the line... xD
@@GameFactsSpeciallol that's actually way funnier than them just being forgotten about.
Also that last part I edited in at the end was directed at anyone else who read that comment. I didn't want someone to pop up and go "what's your source on this?" (Something I like, I like seeing people's sources). Hope it didn't seem passive aggressive or something, I mostly just commented because I thought that it was funny.
I wouldn't comment on a video if I didn't respect it. This was a very good video. Hope that comment and this reply helps with the algorithm! Have a nice day.
How could bean fly?
@@lepacs14 He's a bird so probably using his wings. If he never flew before... well probably a retcon.
@@lepacs14 he's a fourth wall breaking cartoon duck. If he can't fly that's purely a skill issue on his behalf lol
3:21 Was this mispronunciation intentional?
right? especially since he got it right at 0:42
Mcgen (The voice actor) said the line wrong initially and I fixed it. But I forgot to fix the other instances.... O_o
Is now the time to give some further feedback regarding the voiceover? I dunno if it's just me, but the heightened enthusiasm in the delivery makes me feel like I am being spoken to like a child. Otherwise I enjoy the information and pacing of these videos
I wish they'd give us the unique teams back if we do get a sequel or a remake
That’s not gonna happen, because some of the characters are now trapped in the classic games forever and cannot appear in any modern for some reason and also they’re still too scared to have a lot of characters playable since recent games only have them as DLC.
Cool video, but just so you know, character ages are already known from the instruction manual
my gamecube copy doesn't have the instructions :(
Mighty and ray would've been cool to see in the modern era
Same thing for the Hoolignas.
Too bad that Sega decided to keep these characters stuck in classic, as well with Bark and Bean having AM2 license.
I thought team hooligan was also planned too
Big being only eighteen feels super wrong to me, and while Amy being twelve does explain somewhat Sonic's reactions to her, that doesn't sit right with me either
Team Hooligan was also in the initial list of teams.
i kinda wish that they kept the og teams tbh. we couldve gotten even more classic characters in modern (team hooligan, mighty and ray), and we wouldnt have had shadow's sacrifice in sa2 ruined
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Sonic Plush Heroes Season 1 2022-2022
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@@GameFactsSpecial Yep Probably Because I Had A Lot Of Teams Working For It I Was Part Of Team B!
Team A Was Working On The Music And Quality Sound
Team B Was Working On The Voice Acting!
And Team C Was Working On The Recording, Video, Description And Video Process! Eventually We Had The Teams To Be Split Up With Some Of The Members From Team C Moving Away And Some Team A Members Quitting As Of Now We Have 2 Teams!
I always thought Big was in his 30s.
3:22 did u just call Rouge “Rogue” HERECY!
Yeah I fixed the first time but forgot the rest. Face Palm!
Rogue ed Emy tenis
I do not think Sonic heroes was banking on nostalgia. It was aimed to an audience of fans like me who were not even born in genesis era and original Sonic fans were in their 30’s and grown by the point of heroes. Original Sonic fans passed their fandom onto their kids and bought the games for them like my Dad did for me but I did not see any older fans playing it, same is the case for mega collection
Ok i know this is the most fucking nitpicky thing ever but at 0:51 when they say gamma they dont put gamma over omega which would imply the people who made this video doesnt know theyre different characters
I mean I had a Dreamcast in 2000. I know the difference, I just made a mistake cause I've been CRANKING out videos. Thanks for the comment!
MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!
Rogue ???