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What is the Apocrypha? (And do Latter-day Saints accept it as scripture?) Ep. 167
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- The Apocrypha has been a source of debate between Catholic and Protestant Christians since the days of Martin Luther. But what is the Apocrypha? Why is it controversial? And what do Latter-day Saints have to say on the matter?
Video transcript and additional notes: bit.ly/3otWfEI
- “Why Does the Roman Catholic Church Accept the Books of the Old Testament Apocrypha (the Deuterocanonical Books) as Holy Scripture?” via BlueLetterBible (written by Protestants): bit.ly/3DCGnq6
- “The Apocrypha?” via CatholicNewsAgency (Catholic perspective): bit.ly/3x3731X
- “Why Were the Books of the Old Testament Apocrypha Rejected as Holy Scripture by the Protestants?” via BlueLetterBible (Protestant): bit.ly/3J6TIZ1
- “Did the Ancient Jews, Jesus, and His Disciples Have a Fixed Canon of Scripture, or was the Canon Still Open?” via BlueLetterBible (Protestant): bit.ly/36S0Mvv
- “Why 7 "Extra" Books of the Catholic Bible? Deuterocanonical Apologetics with Dr Taylor Marshall” via Dr Taylor Marshall UA-cam channel (Catholic): bit.ly/3j6CBvG
- “5 REASONS Why the Apocrypha is NOT INSPIRED and Should be REJECTED!” via The Beat by Allen Parr UA-cam channel (Protestant): bit.ly/3r3Swzv
- “Apocrypha” via CatholicAnswers (Catholic): bit.ly/3r53ch9
- “Apocrypha” via Encyclopedia Britannica: bit.ly/3j52FaA
- “Septuagint” via Encyclopedia Britannica: bit.ly/3v0tKS6
- “Hebrew Bible” via Encyclopedia Britannica: bit.ly/3j1O6on
- “What are the Apocrypha and Deuterocanonical Books?” via American Bible Society: bit.ly/3KeApOL
- Scans of the Protestant bible that Joseph Smith used during the JST (link takes you to beginning of Apocrypha): bit.ly/3LFf4yb
- The link that will immediately answer all of your questions: bit.ly/3LAlCOw
Notes:
- Latter-day Saint scholar Steven Harper put it well:
“Rather than declaring the highly varied books of the Apocrypha either true or false, the Lord [in D&C 91] focuses on truth and error within the texts. Nor does he seem worried about errors in or sufficiency of scripture, a term Latter-day Saints do not even use, He gives instead an infallible principle that can be applied to all fallible fields and texts, including apocryphal or pseudepigraphal literature as well as science or art. The principle is that the companionship of the infallible Holy Spirit will enlighten and benefit those who seek truth, wherever it may be … this revelation places highest priority not on parsing ancient texts but on each individual’s receptivity to the Godhead through the Holy Ghost.” Source: "Making Sense of the Doctrine and Covenants" by Steven C. Harper, pg. 342.
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The final link in the description really did answered all my questions.
God bless you guys.😂 ❤❤❤
I pray your work will continue to help and guide people.
I only watch this channel for these videos. Keep up the great job David.
I love the way you explained this, all of your videos (David) are excellent. It truly strengthens my testimony. Thank you.
Really just Commenting to help the algorithm doing great guys!!
The only apocrypha book that I read was the book of Enoch, and yeah there was some "what the heck!" But also "that's pretty cool information"
That is not part of the Catholic Cannon nor Orthodox cannon
@@musathomas191 Actually, it is part of the Ethiopic Orthodox Cannon.
This series is my favorite on your channel. Keep them coming! You do a great job!
That last link really did answer all of my questions.
...and I swear I heard the Holy Spirit belly laugh.
Well at least we know SOMEone is checking the links in the description. ;)
@@life-of-taylor Well, I try... sometimes I fail, but I am only a sinner.
Same for me!
Yes! Thank you for going a bit deeper into this
Great episode. Love the clip from The Room
Nice video 😊 well explained and I just subscribed to know more
I’ve been confused about this subject for a long time. Thanks for the info!
@2:07 Jesus DID quote from the apocrypha, especially Esdras. His quote is found in Matthew 23:37 “hen gathers her chicks under her wing”. The Book of Mormon is another place this scripture is quoted (see 3 Nephi). It is obviously scripture as is the Book of Mormon.
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You need to leave quotations on the screen longer so we can click on them
I have a question: According to D&C 7, Is John the Beloved still a apostole?
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my opinion as a convert6 from catholicism, the more scripture, the better.
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FYI New Advent is a good online Catholic encyclopedia. And watch among Catholic sources the huge divide between traditionalists and modernists. Those camps can vary widely. I do not believe my Catholic friends refer to the books in their original bible as 'apocrypha' nor deuterocanonical. According to New Advent the latter term was never used until after the Protestants removed those books from the canon. So glad we have modern referee to sort that out. I sincerely believe we Christians have along way to go to LIVE the gospel as contained in whatever version of the Bible you use. I would check out the Orthodox versions as well. Would be helpful if you gave them a shout out as they have been there since the beginning as well.
I've been listening to the book of Enoch. A lot of it makes sense.
In Egypt they found a book written by Mary Magdalene, called the Book of Mary. In the book it talks about he the love she shared with Jesus, and that after his death, resurrection,nand departure from the apostles, they were in a depressed state and didn’t know what they should do. Mary says that she took Peter to task because he knew exactly what Jesus had told them to do, and they had best get to it. True or not it makes some sense.
Another great job, David!
I love reading 1st and 2nd Maccabees and feel that it contains a lot of helpful historical truth. BUT... it shouldn't be regarded as Sacred scripture.
It is very helpful to understand what took place between the Testaments during a time of general apostasy.
Don’t you find it interesting that the Orthodox also consider the deuterocanon as canon?
Did Joseph Smith complete the JST? How far did he get and why doesn't the church today use the JST?
He did not complete it; The Community of Christ retain(ed?) copyright status over the JST. For both these reasons, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints treats the JST more as a study guide for the Bible rather than the canonical version of the Bible.
Really the big thing is that’s the first time I’ve even heard about that so it must not be that important but I do think one thing that would be important that people could look at. That would be good. Scripture would be getting some of the old end signs or different works that the prophets have talked over the years and some of the authorities and I think it would be really good.
Be excellent to each other. Party On Dudes!
2:05 actually Jesus did quote the book of Tobit when speaking of the oft misinterpreted scripture of marriage and ressurection
He doesn't believe the apocrypha should not be translated D&C 91:3
but he decided to translate the bible correctly instead ?
Would pseudepigrapha be accepted in LDS canon?
Not canon, but certainly could fit "seek ye out good books".
@@brettmajeske3525 And why not cannon?
@@mikefoxtrot1314 According to LDS theology adding scripture to our canon, or "Standard Works" would require the united consent of the presiding quorums, and then submission to the general body of the Church during a solum assembly. As that has not happened for the 'apocrypha' or 'Deuterocanon', those books are not currently considered part of our canon.
@@brettmajeske3525 Is that how the LDS church adopted its current canon or is this a more recent rule?
@@mikefoxtrot1314 That is how it as been since the time of Joseph Smith.
The deuterocanonical/apocryphal books in no way support the immaculate conception nor magical arts, but 2 Maccabees does present prayers and offerings for the dead which are loosely related to how Catholics interact with the deceased today.
While Jesus does not quote the Apocrypha St. Jude most certainly does with his referencing of 1 Enoch (which was a Biblical book with some weight in the early church for a time).
The apocrypha may contain truth, but it’s so fun to say something is apocryphal!
Great topic, thanks! Joseph Smith also said the Song of Solomon is also not inspired revelation from God and other parts of the Old and New Testament are not true revelations but opinions of man which often time, contradict each other. I wish our prophets could borrow the urim and thumin for a few weeks to comb through ALL of the Bible, and other left-out books of the Bible to get rid of all of the false info and unnecessary stuff.
Maybe a rock would work!!
@@hollayevladimiroff131 As long as it's chocolate!
It was revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith by revelation as he was doing a new translation of the Bible that as you said he did make it known that the Song of Solomon wasn't inspired, but he did not say other parts of the Old and New Testament are not true revelations but opinions of men. He testified that we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.
The prophet also testified that many truths pertaining to the doctrine of Christ and the salvation of men had been removed or lost. We do know through the revelation of the Book of Mormon that many plain and precious things were taken out of the Bible as Nephi foresaw. The revelation pertaining to the Apocryphal Books is sufficient for us to understanding that we should study all things by the spirit. Many more fragments of ancient texts are coming forth and they to have the revelations, prophocies and doctrine of God through them. Just as the Psalmist said, "truth shall spring forth out of the earth." that was a prophocy of the coming for of the Book of Mormon primarily and also alluding to these other ancient though fragments of texts that are the words of God.
We only need John 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name". We don't need the Book of Mormon or the rest of the Bible. Rigth?
We need the book of mormon to go to other planets and become gods, GOOODS! Muahahaha!
Paul. More witnesses of Jesus Christ doesn't hurt. I doubt the true love for Jesus in the heart of those who don't want more witnesses. We need to know what to do as believers. That is why we need more than just John's testimony.
@@Hamann9631 The bible says what to do. Follow God's laws. Then Jesus came, and he explained that the law actually is about love. And he replaced the law with two commandmends to follow, love God and love each other. And if we follow those two commandments, we love Jesus, and if we love Jesus, God loves us. That's it. There is nothing more.
@@jaguillermol There is baptism. There is what sex does God say is allowed and not allowed. There is polygamy. There is more about who God and Jesus are.
@@Hamann9631 Ok then, read the gospel. Baptism. Polygamy? No, God said in Genesis how marriage is to look like. Then Jesus affirmed that to the scribes.
There is no other information needed than the bible. No looking into a hat to remember what the golden plates said, because there were no golden plates. If there were, they were not from God.
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Also, there is no sex that God says is allowed and not. What is not allowed is adultery. Sex should be not had before marriage, but the bible doesn't talk about any wedding ceremonies. It seems like you love someone and sleep with them, the sex is the ceremony. You become one flesh. You are now married.
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YES. They took the books out because they reveal too much truth
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2 Esdras is quoted by Jesus.
Where the heck is Kwaku? Did He finally find out about blacks in the priesthood?
Kwaku graduated from BYU, and like most of the hosts, moved on afterwards, 2-3 years ago.
@@brettmajeske3525 Moved on? You mean he became a Baptist?
@@TP-om8of
No, he has his own channel. Stone XIV and appears on Midnight Mormons. I think he owns his own publicity company now. Mostly the hosts are BYU students who leave Provo after they graduate.
@@brettmajeske3525 That Stone thing is empty now. I think he’s become JW or something.
@@TP-om8of He is still a regular contributor to Midnight Mormons.
A good portion of the Apocrypha was lifted by Joseph Smith to create his Book of Mormon.
There are similarities with Judith murdering Holofernes and Nephi murdering Laban. Laban and Holofernes were both drunk when beheaded also.
The Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical teaches many things that are incorrect and not historically accurate. It is not in agreement with the Bible, it is not the inspired authoritative Word of God.
I’ll debate you on this. The Book of Mormon is not the inspired authoritative word of God as it’s a complete contradiction.
@@ProtestantKing7 elaborate (I’m not outwardly disagreeing, just curious)
You people need to come off the book of Mormons. It is definitely not scripture written by one man who was a nut. Jesus and Lucifer are not brothers it's so sad . I advise leaving that church.
So you do not believe Lucifer is a fallen angel?
No Lucifer was the anointed Cherub that covereth.
Go read first John.
@@josephphillips590 But according to both Jews and Christians Cherubim are a type of angel.
@@josephphillips590 I have, and it doesn't claim that Cherubim are not angels. Which is what you seem to be saying.