They should do what they did to the sin, just remove bonewall sinergy and add to the others instead of just boosting bone, that way you can spend those extra points into summons, that shouldnt affect pvp that much and would improve necro in pvm.
I've just started stockpiling tokens so i can go fishy style necro and hammerdin, then token for pvp... Wish we could set dual specs and swap for gold or something in town
They should buff it further for pve. As for pvp if you ever want to duel you can always rule that necros can only put X hard points into the spells you feel are OP or just limit the synergies they can invest in it. Since there is no matchmaking you can just refuse to play with those who wont comply. Simple.
Imo they should've only buffed the damage against monsters, and keep it the same vs. players. There are other spells in the game that work like this, I'm pretty sure, so there's precedent for balancing in this way
Exactly! Ideas like this and adding an aoe/splash damage to certain attacks is a great way to buff a skill in pvm without making too much of a negative impact on pvp.
yes NERF bone necro in pvp and buff it in PVM. i didn’t know there was a way to do this, but if there is indeed precedent then this is what they should be doing
@@nathanb1886 there are curses that only work on monsters already , they could have easily added a - magic resistance that only applies to monsters for one of them.
I had a bone necro back in the days when i was young, arrogant and did pvp hahah :D It would kinda fit to my playstyle today, since you dont really have to aim alot with it and i'm playing on 400 mouse dpi (used to it from shooters) :D Thanks for the vid Cooley!
Hey cooley, great video but I think your damage estimates are high. In the ptr with white ,the 3+ PNB head and 3+ PNB circ, your bs spear was 7.6k. The patch 2.3 build you showed that was doing 5.6k (hoto, spirit, 2+ helm) damage you said would be close to 7.9k. I think it will be closer to 6.9k.
Also.. keep up the great work. You are one of the only content creators who focus on PvP. I believe the devs really need to keep pvp in mind. PvP is the only thing that prevents the game becoming a ghost town a few months after ladder. Fun fact my first two decades of playing diablo I never played ladder. When I was young I thought the whole point of the game was to build up pvp characters as fast as possible and duel. I didn't experience my first ladder until 2020 in path of Diablo.
@@lifeofpoms2528 At no point in your response were you even close to anything resembling a coherent thought. And we are all dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.
Looks like they are doing their best to eliminate melee builds from PvP with a buff like this. Thanks for covering this stuff Coooley, none of the other content creators even talk about this…
They barely touch on it. I can’t speak for Alzorath but the other 2 guys aren’t concerned about it. I even saw a recent Llama video where he says “who cares about that anyways” and he wasn’t joking.
He was joking (used sarcasm as comment bait for YT vids that he records on Twitch while live, even does multiple takes). The reason Llamasc and dbrunski haven't talked about the pvp aspect much, is because they dont know anything about pvp. (Which is a good thing, it'd be like a gynecologist giving you eye-care advice).
great video as always. Cooley - won't that new fhr thing gonna change the way people build necros ? i mean.. if zero fhr > 86 fhr, won't it make spirit obsolete ? honestly i didn't fully understand the new mechanic of the fhr in 2.4.
This is probably a bad take, but they could implement some niche items / new affix that gives basic magic resistance that only applies to Bone Skills, Hammers, and the rest of the shit that does pure magic damage. Don't make the magic resistance stat apply to any of the other elements. I know this stat is already in the game on the safety shield, but you can only get 10%
Can you explain how less it recovery is better? I am aware of how it works now but isn’t it still better to have some if it is free? The first hit before you go on the temporary immunity would put you in to fewer recovery frames if you have more FHR right?
I think the immunity frames are at a time interval, if you have 0 fhr, if you’re sent into hit recovery it times perfectly with the immunity frames by the time you recover. If you have fhr you have fewer frames to recover so with enough fhr you can be sent into hit recovery 2 times before the immunity frames kick in. So the new patch just made fhr obsolete in pvp altogether.
Its not better to have less. Having some is still good. However there will be somewhat random case where you will be punished for having too much fhr. That a part of why the new stun immunity mechanic sucks hardcore. Its in big part random and goes against any logical game design
Hi Cooley, thank you for great information as always like a newbie like me. I had a question about benefit of using darkforce over spirit shield. Given we want to max out +8 pnb from (shield, head and necklace) maintaining 125fcr, I don't think there's any benefit using darkforce over spirit shield (except lowering 55fhr is the major benefit you think) I quickly ran some numbers, Darkforce setting(with magic head and caster ammy) vs Spirit Setting (with magic head and 3pnb/10fcr) #sockets: 3 > 2 #prefix free: 3 > 0 resistance: 0 < 105 strength needed: 0 > 30 life: 0 < 44 mana: 10%manapool + 10%regen = 112 dex needed for 75%: 393 < 288 in short, we gain +3 more free prefix spots in ammy and +1 socket from darkforce setting by giving up 75 dex (negating 105 more dex required for 75% block with 30 more str required for monarch shield), 105 resistance and 44 life. Could be argued differently based on if we want our nec to have 75% block or not, 105 res might not be relevant when pking with physical chars. What do you guys think?
I have a Summon Necro I made awhile ago and just never played him. I decided to turn him into one of these Bonemancers. One thing I like about Coooley's builds is how he uses different gear to make his builds better. I have my Hoto, but I was using a Arm of King Leoric Wand. So I decided to use it on this build. Now I can Summon 8 Skeletons and 8 Skeleton Mages I also put on my Marrowwalk Boots they give +2 to Skeleton Mastery. While My Skeletons are fighting my enemies I'm blasting them with maxed out Bone skills.
Hello for Season 3 ladder in weapon, Shield, boots and rings i have a doubt. What is best for damage and duel ? White or hoto ? Spirit or spaw Head ??? In boots treks , Aldurs or a boot with Poison resist, fire resist and lighting resist + 30 or above ? In the rings 2 sojs is better or one soj and one natures piece ? Or one soj and one ring with ALL resistances + FCR ???
Hi, i don't understand the base for ""White"? Is it only on PTR, Eth & Indestructable hmmmm. Can u explain where u find this incredible wand? Stats of base unbelievable.
necro already got the best AOE skill in the game which is Corpse Explosion, just by removing the sinergy to bonewall and boost the other sinergies similar to what they did to Sin, would allow u to spend those points into summons, that would make necro better at pvm without breaking it for pvp, and also without changing the game.
I never pvp before but I've wanted to since laster ladder. I struggled with mental health shenanigans and even wasted the cheap litle dudu circ i got for pvp by tossing it to a random. I was convinced on jsp to go bone necro for reasons of affordability and sake of learning pvp yesterday so. The way you paint the battlefield with spirits and tele into them is coolaf tho im sure thats what youre just supposed to do.
Hey Coooley, here is an idea I have heard floating around: What if the bone skills did Physical damage instead of magic? For PvM it would synergize with amp and scale better, and from my understanding phys is a lot easier to deal with than magic in PVP.
@@BrianCheng24 I figure having to actually get amp (or decrep) on them makes it a more difficult duel. Also if its phys damage I believe there are a lot more damage reduction options (shako, SS, etc). I am very new to PVP so I don't know if the change would be good, but seems like a change worth considering.
@@bobnewkirk7003 that's a good point. DR is maxed at 50% but at least it's a form of damage mitigation. Magic is the only skill in the game where you have absolutely no damage mitigation which is why hammers are so strong.
It wouldnt make any sense from a lore perspective. Gameplay wise its a bad choice because the nec can just use amplify damage. Make no mistake, with +skill from gear AMP got enormous range and its really easy to curse your opponent. Once your ennemy is amped, bone spirit will basically hit as hard as hammer if you had 50 dr before amp, and even harder than hammer if you had no DR at all
Recently gambled a Tiara with +2 Poison & Bone Skills, 20% FCR, 30% FRW, +15 all Res, +37% Enhanced Defense and 3% Mana Stolen per Hit. It's for sale (trade, not money) so open to offers (can add 1 socket if wanted).
Wait. So i still have my legacy d2 file pvp necro. In the old days we just spam bone spirit while teleporting close to a hostile player. What are your tips for a returning player?
Hey Cooley, WDYT if they brought Bone Spear\Spirit damage back to where it was, but reduced the synergies? For example, consolidate the bone wall\prison synergies. So you would get max damage just by maxing teeth + bone spear + bone spirit.
@Coooley "Basically the less faster hit recovery you have, the more frames you have to get out of certain stunlock" I'm really curious about that. Do you have any source ?
I used to play a Hammerdin in FFA fights like 15 years ago, and I always used the Sanctuary Shield with Slow Missile on swap. How do you deal with that? Is it manageable?
Do they have the pvp scene in their mind? I find it super cool that they are patching D2 :)) I don't know how and if its possible to patch it for pvm and pvp?
Every charm in the inventory is rarer than a Zod rune tho lol. I only play single player so I don't know the D2 market at all, and even less about PvP. But I imagine this build is basically fictional for a bunch of reasons right? As someone who only plays single player I'm mega biased toward PVM play, and have been butthurt for quite awhile that virtually every single viable necro build is some variation of a corpse explode necro. Not that this patch really is going to change that...
They should add some for of resilience to magic damage when it comes from players. That way they can be tuned appropriately for PVM without breaking PVP
Nerfs to stuns buffs to Necros, enjoy the new meta where you’re trying to kill each other from 2 screens away. Defensive hard hitting builds is the new pvp meta, telestomping builds are really not worth it anymore when you can just spam from 2 screens away.
I’m still confused on the block rate and FHR change. The only thing the patch notes say is.. FHR has diminishing returns while hit by another player. Well that does that mean you should still hit 86 and they will diminish from 86 to lower breakpoints? Does it mean maybe not worry about FHR anymore? No clue.. 🤦♂️
Im guessing that you want to het put into hit recovery faster and more often to essentially reduce the effectiveness of cc faster than you would with more fhr lol
Back in LOD I would play the wwsin before people nee weapon block blocked magic attacks. Or at least alot of people where unaware at the time. Necros and hammerdins where really big and I used to love tele kicking in their face and spinning while blocking what should of killed me. Necros where my favorite to kill because they normally would wreck any melee people. But since I could block and tele kick and ww made it a breeze. I'd say the wwsin is one of the highest counters to necros. But I havnt dueled in ten years alots changes
With some "basic necro pvp" gear (Eni+boneshade+shako+mara+1soj+arach+spirit+Torch+anni+3xBPGC's) so skill lvl 42 - Bone Spirit does 5700 minimum dmg per hit :) People say that hammer does way more dmg (GOD tier pvp hammer 15k-17k), that is only partially true.. you have to remember that the distance between each hammer is like 20-30% bigger compared to Bone Spirit spam (both) at 125% FCR. Oh and don't forget of a top tier "near perf" Blizzard sorc she can usually 1 hit a bone necro (18k dmg)
@@SAS3D-Martin So what, the time interval between 2 hits is still the same. If you wanted to do an argument comparing Hammer and Spirit, you should just have said its much harder to hit with hammer so it makes sense they deal more damage
You should make an intro to PVP video. A lot of us casuals have played tons of PVM but are intimidated by pvp. I don't really know the rules, manners, jargon/language, etc and it makes me not want to get into it. Looks like fun though!
Thats way to high of a reduction, its fine how it is now. Doesn't need a reduction Doesn't need buff in pvp but it does need a huge buff in pvm. I seen someone said splash dmg in pvm that sounds nice.
Also in LOD days i played a pvp Nec and you would mainly use bone spear maybe the fhr change's are whats to blame since you can't fhr lock with spear well anymore so that leads to a playstyle of run and cast spirit instead.
Assa and smiters gonna struggle hard with bone nec now lol, i guess the best anti would be bvc and just zerk him. People undervalue frw on barb. But for zerk chains its inzane. I ran valk 08 + hl 08 on asgard vs the best players there is on d2, and then nec had no counter vs such zerk chains, cause necs natural run south style vs zerk chains fails due to barb running so fast, with throwlock chains barb can run-zerk-chain. Ofc 63fcr is needed. I actually ran some 105 as well, but that was with wiz gloves xD Now when we dont need fhr, a 2/20/30frw/adds/2soc diadem + arach + trangs + 10fcr adds ring + wisp/nature for oak barb will be a viable contender to nec, if nec is able to run style out of zerk, swap hl for cats and i promise if ur good at chaining no nec will be able to get away. The more they def, the easier the hunt becomes. Most good nec will work around the barb in triangle spamming spirits in the center of that triangle, but zerk should 2 hit him.. Rely on oak.
I don't understand why they can't just give characters magic damage reduction vs other characters to eliminate this problem. Then they could buff the magic damage all they want and preserve pvp by adding more damage reduction.
Or add gear, charms and jewels that have % magic dmg reduction so you can look for it in pvm and make a build for pvp that specifically is good against magic damage
nicely done vicarious visions, you've essentially destroyed build diversity in pvp. now every pub scrub is going to be using a bone necro for pvp and will be rewarded for their scrubbery due to horrible balance changes.
@@jprec5174 not to defend blizzard but how do you know that? I'm pretty sure that blizzard doesnt give a rat's azz about diablo 2 so why would they take on patching it. VV is the people they put in charge of the game as a whole servers included that means dev, graphics and patches. Show me where blizzard took the reigns on patching and I'll correct myself Edit: ahhhh i see where your going with this, basically VV got completely assimilated by blizzard so technically you are correct it is blizzard but its the same team from VV doing the patching. so..... congrats on a technicality?????
Not really that Bowa he fought was garbage. Max gear/Stat bowa vs. This build gonna win everytime. You can out run bone spirit. He had to Tele on the bowa, and she didn't have fanat aura. Higher ias and he was dead.
@@Lo0PyNuTs yea, i've actually got a bowzon now haha, 2.4 gonna make bowas rock! sold my Great Bow (merc) Faith n bought a GMB, soon as i heard merc can use ama bow's in 2.4. Got the 95ias gears on the zon now, wow she shoots fast!
When they started hinting at the possibility of making balance changes, I knew D2R was doomed in terms of pvp balance. The original game went through painstaking patches to fix balance to the point where there's at least a decent enough balance to make every class viable in pvp through some spec, with a sort of a rock-paper-scissor type counter system. Now they're throwing all of that out of the window by being arrogant enough to think that they can make balance better. And don't even dream of new runewords being remotely balanced, if they ever get introduced.
Was getting my ass handed to me (spider sin) by hammerdins other night. Was kinda drunk... Hey nice strat, tele into a line of spirits! Gonna try this! Awesome!
If they introduced magic damage reduction by % equipment, charms, and jewels then people could have fun gearing up against the necro in PvP. Dunno if this is a good solution but at least there would be instances where the necro would have a hard time.
Maybe an unpopular opinion: I would like to see some *BM Builds* and video tutorials for noobs to learn, coming from the pros. Which could also include counter measure tutorials against BM players, if any? You know the game is full of them already. A large portion of the community knows this. I say give everyone a chance to BM, but hope it's in a GM manner. (Meaning no naked kills, but fun stuff like bone prison charges. Or wolf charges on hdin to act as meat shield. Or how to properly make use of merc stomping. Or benefits of Cleglaws on a rabies druid/cs zon. Or lower res wands on swap) The most BM of the BM, are vet players who know their shit. I would assume most noobs have more of a heart when it comes to dueling manners. Teach everybody the full in's and out's of the game including BM and not just the cookie cutter GM builds where they still get rekt without knowing why
Unfortunately it's hard to create content about BM duels because BM dueling is often associated with hacks like autoaim, TMC, auto tp, etc. That's what people do they ruin the fun of things by taking it too far. If you can keep BM clean of hacks I'm all about it. Very similar to NH pking in RuneScape, anything goes.
@@PAwader so then why doesn't anyone make content for it? Edit: I could *tell* you BM strategies. But a video done by a content creator would be much more wholesome
It kinda annoys me how every other streamer just brushes these changes off like “whatever it makes no diff in pvm” but don’t even bother to test them in pvp when they know it’s going to be op. All of them besides you that is cooley. Keep it up.
Ad i said other builds will be affected by this fhr change as bone nec and wind dudu for example... to fix assa mind blast we gonna break the entire fhr mechanic?? Ye looks like... keep saying rip
@@MrJimmibambo so if im getting this right, you want no fhr against builds that spam you into recovery, but fhr will still be good against builds like zealers or ww barbs no?
If they wanted to make necros more viable in pvm they should have just buffed teeth a little bit or something. Cause necros still don’t have aoe and a pvm necro is still a corpse explode necro. Now I’ll feel guilty doing any pvp with my necro and he’s my main :(
Because hammers and bone spirit are not the same skill.. just because they're both magic damage, people feel like geniuses when they compare them. They work entirely differently.
@@Coooley hammers spiral and you can aim bone spells...? Honestly not that different of a play style with those two classes. Let's see a best of 10 duel between a max damage hammerdin/ bone necro, see what wins. Time limit so it's not just a teleport circle jerk
That super chill background music while casually ruling them all... so satisfying! 😎
gg, Coooley
This is awesome. Thanks for including so many clips. Always loved bone Necro
They should do what they did to the sin, just remove bonewall sinergy and add to the others instead of just boosting bone, that way you can spend those extra points into summons, that shouldnt affect pvp that much and would improve necro in pvm.
Good suggestion
then it will be best char in hardcore mode
@@tienatngo9199 it already is super safe with boneprision and all, definitly not the fastest char, but the safest in hardcore
I've just started stockpiling tokens so i can go fishy style necro and hammerdin, then token for pvp... Wish we could set dual specs and swap for gold or something in town
They should buff it further for pve. As for pvp if you ever want to duel you can always rule that necros can only put X hard points into the spells you feel are OP or just limit the synergies they can invest in it. Since there is no matchmaking you can just refuse to play with those who wont comply. Simple.
haha I love how you hear that painful and helpless "AH!" coming from somewhere outside your field of vision at 07:28 :D
Imo they should've only buffed the damage against monsters, and keep it the same vs. players. There are other spells in the game that work like this, I'm pretty sure, so there's precedent for balancing in this way
Exactly! Ideas like this and adding an aoe/splash damage to certain attacks is a great way to buff a skill in pvm without making too much of a negative impact on pvp.
concentration is all it needs
yes NERF bone necro in pvp and buff it in PVM. i didn’t know there was a way to do this, but if there is indeed precedent then this is what they should be doing
@@nathanb1886 there are curses that only work on monsters already , they could have easily added a - magic resistance that only applies to monsters for one of them.
there is no command for something like that.
I had a bone necro back in the days when i was young, arrogant and did pvp hahah :D It would kinda fit to my playstyle today, since you dont really have to aim alot with it and i'm playing on 400 mouse dpi (used to it from shooters) :D
Thanks for the vid Cooley!
How does playing pvp make you arrogant. Just curious
@@bboyshinobi3420 It's not PvPing that makes you arrogant, but often being young does that to you :D
Hey cooley, great video but I think your damage estimates are high. In the ptr with white ,the 3+ PNB head and 3+ PNB circ, your bs spear was 7.6k.
The patch 2.3 build you showed that was doing 5.6k (hoto, spirit, 2+ helm) damage you said would be close to 7.9k. I think it will be closer to 6.9k.
Also.. keep up the great work. You are one of the only content creators who focus on PvP. I believe the devs really need to keep pvp in mind. PvP is the only thing that prevents the game becoming a ghost town a few months after ladder.
Fun fact my first two decades of playing diablo I never played ladder. When I was young I thought the whole point of the game was to build up pvp characters as fast as possible and duel. I didn't experience my first ladder until 2020 in path of Diablo.
@@lifeofpoms2528 At no point in your response were you even close to anything resembling a coherent thought. And we are all dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.
Looks like they are doing their best to eliminate melee builds from PvP with a buff like this. Thanks for covering this stuff Coooley, none of the other content creators even talk about this…
I don’t blizz is worried about
llamasSC, Dbrunski, and Alzorath have talked about this.
(However, coolies has gone more in depth and knows much more about PvP).
They barely touch on it. I can’t speak for Alzorath but the other 2 guys aren’t concerned about it. I even saw a recent Llama video where he says “who cares about that anyways” and he wasn’t joking.
He was joking (used sarcasm as comment bait for YT vids that he records on Twitch while live, even does multiple takes).
The reason Llamasc and dbrunski haven't talked about the pvp aspect much, is because they dont know anything about pvp. (Which is a good thing, it'd be like a gynecologist giving you eye-care advice).
because its a pvm not a dueling pvp game. Go play lost ark if thats what you want
great video as always. Cooley - won't that new fhr thing gonna change the way people build necros ? i mean.. if zero fhr > 86 fhr, won't it make spirit obsolete ? honestly i didn't fully understand the new mechanic of the fhr in 2.4.
lol when you use music recognition software to look up the song that Coooley uses in his vids, it says "The Devil - Fin"
Woaaaahhh!!! :O
This is probably a bad take, but they could implement some niche items / new affix that gives basic magic resistance that only applies to Bone Skills, Hammers, and the rest of the shit that does pure magic damage. Don't make the magic resistance stat apply to any of the other elements. I know this stat is already in the game on the safety shield, but you can only get 10%
Adding a 5th res. Magic should be on par with other elements.
@@jonsteward6608 So Hell also will give you -100% magic res; and you will benefit from +allres stats?
@@jonsteward6608 It already a fifth res. jsut did not display, as a physical res and poison length (which kinda 4.5th res). Only in extra stat list.
Can you explain how less it recovery is better? I am aware of how it works now but isn’t it still better to have some if it is free? The first hit before you go on the temporary immunity would put you in to fewer recovery frames if you have more FHR right?
I think the immunity frames are at a time interval, if you have 0 fhr, if you’re sent into hit recovery it times perfectly with the immunity frames by the time you recover. If you have fhr you have fewer frames to recover so with enough fhr you can be sent into hit recovery 2 times before the immunity frames kick in. So the new patch just made fhr obsolete in pvp altogether.
It’s not better it will ruin the game
Its not better to have less. Having some is still good. However there will be somewhat random case where you will be punished for having too much fhr. That a part of why the new stun immunity mechanic sucks hardcore. Its in big part random and goes against any logical game design
Hi Cooley, thank you for great information as always like a newbie like me.
I had a question about benefit of using darkforce over spirit shield.
Given we want to max out +8 pnb from (shield, head and necklace) maintaining 125fcr,
I don't think there's any benefit using darkforce over spirit shield (except lowering 55fhr is the major benefit you think)
I quickly ran some numbers,
Darkforce setting(with magic head and caster ammy) vs Spirit Setting (with magic head and 3pnb/10fcr)
#sockets: 3 > 2
#prefix free: 3 > 0
resistance: 0 < 105
strength needed: 0 > 30
life: 0 < 44
mana: 10%manapool + 10%regen = 112
dex needed for 75%: 393 < 288
in short, we gain +3 more free prefix spots in ammy and +1 socket from darkforce setting by giving up 75 dex (negating 105 more dex required for 75% block with 30 more str required for monarch shield),
105 resistance and 44 life.
Could be argued differently based on if we want our nec to have 75% block or not, 105 res might not be relevant when pking with physical chars.
What do you guys think?
Are having 0 fhr outweighing the deficits from above using darkforce?
Cooley - the oracle of pvp. Great video!
I have a Summon Necro I made awhile ago and just never played him. I decided to turn him into one of these Bonemancers. One thing I like about Coooley's builds is how he uses different gear to make his builds better. I have my Hoto, but I was using a Arm of King Leoric Wand. So I decided to use it on this build. Now I can Summon 8 Skeletons and 8 Skeleton Mages I also put on my Marrowwalk Boots they give +2 to Skeleton Mastery. While My Skeletons are fighting my enemies I'm blasting them with maxed out Bone skills.
Hello for Season 3 ladder in weapon, Shield, boots and rings i have a doubt. What is best for damage and duel ? White or hoto ? Spirit or spaw Head ??? In boots treks , Aldurs or a boot with Poison resist, fire resist and lighting resist + 30 or above ? In the rings 2 sojs is better or one soj and one natures piece ? Or one soj and one ring with ALL resistances + FCR ???
What is the title of the reggae instrumental you use?
Feel like I've asked a few times
Hi, i don't understand the base for ""White"? Is it only on PTR, Eth & Indestructable hmmmm. Can u explain where u find this incredible wand? Stats of base unbelievable.
Should just make them explode for aoe dmg on impact to make them more pvm viable
and combine that with making it 50% magic 50% physical ? you can mitigate physical and items with MDR+DR will apply both reductions
necro already got the best AOE skill in the game which is Corpse Explosion, just by removing the sinergy to bonewall and boost the other sinergies similar to what they did to Sin, would allow u to spend those points into summons, that would make necro better at pvm without breaking it for pvp, and also without changing the game.
I never pvp before but I've wanted to since laster ladder. I struggled with mental health shenanigans and even wasted the cheap litle dudu circ i got for pvp by tossing it to a random. I was convinced on jsp to go bone necro for reasons of affordability and sake of learning pvp yesterday so. The way you paint the battlefield with spirits and tele into them is coolaf tho im sure thats what youre just supposed to do.
brother how is that tiara and offhand indestructible...3-20 are affixes where comes indestructible from?
Hi Coooley! nice video, but one question please, how many fcr? 80 only? and fhr?
125 fcr. Enough fhr to hit the first 1 or 2 breakpoints
Hey Coooley, here is an idea I have heard floating around: What if the bone skills did Physical damage instead of magic? For PvM it would synergize with amp and scale better, and from my understanding phys is a lot easier to deal with than magic in PVP.
Interesting, but with the amp curse, bone skills will do even more damage since it's physical.
@@BrianCheng24 I figure having to actually get amp (or decrep) on them makes it a more difficult duel. Also if its phys damage I believe there are a lot more damage reduction options (shako, SS, etc). I am very new to PVP so I don't know if the change would be good, but seems like a change worth considering.
@@bobnewkirk7003 that's a good point. DR is maxed at 50% but at least it's a form of damage mitigation. Magic is the only skill in the game where you have absolutely no damage mitigation which is why hammers are so strong.
It wouldnt make any sense from a lore perspective.
Gameplay wise its a bad choice because the nec can just use amplify damage. Make no mistake, with +skill from gear AMP got enormous range and its really easy to curse your opponent. Once your ennemy is amped, bone spirit will basically hit as hard as hammer if you had 50 dr before amp, and even harder than hammer if you had no DR at all
Recently gambled a Tiara with +2 Poison & Bone Skills, 20% FCR, 30% FRW, +15 all Res, +37% Enhanced Defense and 3% Mana Stolen per Hit.
It's for sale (trade, not money) so open to offers (can add 1 socket if wanted).
Wait. So i still have my legacy d2 file pvp necro. In the old days we just spam bone spirit while teleporting close to a hostile player. What are your tips for a returning player?
Are you using hero editor in this video?
Hi man, can you help with my necro ? We don’t need 75% blocks?
Hey Cooley, WDYT if they brought Bone Spear\Spirit damage back to where it was, but reduced the synergies? For example, consolidate the bone wall\prison synergies. So you would get max damage just by maxing teeth + bone spear + bone spirit.
Thank you for making this video!
How hard is that shield to find?
All of the gear in this video is imaginary.
@Coooley
"Basically the less faster hit recovery you have, the more frames you have to get out of certain stunlock"
I'm really curious about that. Do you have any source ?
see this video which demonstrates the ridiculous problems with FHR ua-cam.com/video/W7-CVOX3iV8/v-deo.html
I used to play a Hammerdin in FFA fights like 15 years ago, and I always used the Sanctuary Shield with Slow Missile on swap. How do you deal with that? Is it manageable?
slow missle is bad manners. we just teleport away if you do this and wait till its over. so good luck.
"your typical 2/20 amulet" :D and a bit of life and a bit of mana and a bit of impossibility to craft :))))
can someone explain the new FHR thing in 2.4? so 86FHR is bad for pvp??
Do they have the pvp scene in their mind? I find it super cool that they are patching D2 :)) I don't know how and if its possible to patch it for pvm and pvp?
Every charm in the inventory is rarer than a Zod rune tho lol. I only play single player so I don't know the D2 market at all, and even less about PvP. But I imagine this build is basically fictional for a bunch of reasons right? As someone who only plays single player I'm mega biased toward PVM play, and have been butthurt for quite awhile that virtually every single viable necro build is some variation of a corpse explode necro. Not that this patch really is going to change that...
I been sayin it, all they gotta do is give the damn thing fireball's aoe and bring the damage back down. Huge buff to pvm without really touching pvp.
They should add some for of resilience to magic damage when it comes from players. That way they can be tuned appropriately for PVM without breaking PVP
This....seems super simple honestly
Just make Anyas quest give +10 % magic res per diff and not bug out. Then buff by 30 percent from old patch.
Nerfs to stuns buffs to Necros, enjoy the new meta where you’re trying to kill each other from 2 screens away. Defensive hard hitting builds is the new pvp meta, telestomping builds are really not worth it anymore when you can just spam from 2 screens away.
Yep the game is ruined imagine them ruining a 20 year old game
Where’s you get that shield?!
It’s already a top tier build… so now it will be the only build.
Does FHR still work this way?
There he is... the Thief of Crowns... Wreaking havoc even in Diablo II!
I’m still confused on the block rate and FHR change. The only thing the patch notes say is.. FHR has diminishing returns while hit by another player. Well that does that mean you should still hit 86 and they will diminish from 86 to lower breakpoints? Does it mean maybe not worry about FHR anymore? No clue.. 🤦♂️
Im guessing that you want to het put into hit recovery faster and more often to essentially reduce the effectiveness of cc faster than you would with more fhr lol
@@jprec5174 bro you just confused more
Back in LOD I would play the wwsin before people nee weapon block blocked magic attacks. Or at least alot of people where unaware at the time. Necros and hammerdins where really big and I used to love tele kicking in their face and spinning while blocking what should of killed me. Necros where my favorite to kill because they normally would wreck any melee people. But since I could block and tele kick and ww made it a breeze. I'd say the wwsin is one of the highest counters to necros. But I havnt dueled in ten years alots changes
Great video! Thanks for helping keep the game I love alive for so long!!!
So.. when the hell is the actual patch being applied to the game??
would infernostride be a good option for a replacement instead of aldurs?
against fb sorcs yes
Thanks for making this videos! You r my favorit D2 streamer cuz much PvP content.
With some "basic necro pvp" gear (Eni+boneshade+shako+mara+1soj+arach+spirit+Torch+anni+3xBPGC's) so skill lvl 42 - Bone Spirit does 5700 minimum dmg per hit :) People say that hammer does way more dmg (GOD tier pvp hammer 15k-17k), that is only partially true.. you have to remember that the distance between each hammer is like 20-30% bigger compared to Bone Spirit spam (both) at 125% FCR. Oh and don't forget of a top tier "near perf" Blizzard sorc she can usually 1 hit a bone necro (18k dmg)
Hammer and Necromancer cast at the same speed
@@H4rg Initially yes, but hammers have a spiral trajectory, distance between each cast is increasing with each "circle".
@@SAS3D-Martin So what, the time interval between 2 hits is still the same. If you wanted to do an argument comparing Hammer and Spirit, you should just have said its much harder to hit with hammer so it makes sense they deal more damage
if buffing bone spear is the point, all they have to do is make concentration effect bone spells. rather than boost damage
is this PTR 2.4 pvp content ?or is this live 2.3 pvp content?
This dmg is going to be insane
Looks like a perfect build to take on a hammerdin
we just need magic resist. right?
You should make an intro to PVP video. A lot of us casuals have played tons of PVM but are intimidated by pvp. I don't really know the rules, manners, jargon/language, etc and it makes me not want to get into it. Looks like fun though!
Isnt magic damg 1/10th? They need to nerf length that they travel
I played pretty aggressive with my old bone mancer there was only a couple match ups I would play defensive that was windy druids and hammerdins
Can you make Summoner build if you know any good ?
So far i love your disco assassin and murderdin i'm building as we speak 😍
Summoner isn't good for pvp. You have no way of resummoning your minions as a necro efficiently
What is the best counter for a Bone Necro? Bowazon? Pally Foh?
Wind Druid
ES Sorc and wind druid
open wound sin, fb/trapsin/ v/t etc..
@@relithh2026 nec wins against vt and assa
Couldn’t they just add a pvp specific nerf to bone spirit? Like reduce pvp damage by another 30-50%.
Thats way to high of a reduction, its fine how it is now. Doesn't need a reduction Doesn't need buff in pvp but it does need a huge buff in pvm. I seen someone said splash dmg in pvm that sounds nice.
Also in LOD days i played a pvp Nec and you would mainly use bone spear maybe the fhr change's are whats to blame since you can't fhr lock with spear well anymore so that leads to a playstyle of run and cast spirit instead.
Man I can't win vs bowa.I need more.block idk someone help me
So if i have the best gear in the game for this build, i can do this
fhr is back in pvp now?>
They should just add monster dmg instead of dmg boost like they did pv demons and undead
Assa and smiters gonna struggle hard with bone nec now lol, i guess the best anti would be bvc and just zerk him.
People undervalue frw on barb. But for zerk chains its inzane. I ran valk 08 + hl 08 on asgard vs the best players there is on d2, and then nec had no counter vs such zerk chains, cause necs natural run south style vs zerk chains fails due to barb running so fast, with throwlock chains barb can run-zerk-chain. Ofc 63fcr is needed. I actually ran some 105 as well, but that was with wiz gloves xD
Now when we dont need fhr, a 2/20/30frw/adds/2soc diadem + arach + trangs + 10fcr adds ring + wisp/nature for oak barb will be a viable contender to nec, if nec is able to run style out of zerk, swap hl for cats and i promise if ur good at chaining no nec will be able to get away. The more they def, the easier the hunt becomes. Most good nec will work around the barb in triangle spamming spirits in the center of that triangle, but zerk should 2 hit him.. Rely on oak.
I don't understand why they can't just give characters magic damage reduction vs other characters to eliminate this problem. Then they could buff the magic damage all they want and preserve pvp by adding more damage reduction.
Or add gear, charms and jewels that have % magic dmg reduction so you can look for it in pvm and make a build for pvp that specifically is good against magic damage
nicely done vicarious visions, you've essentially destroyed build diversity in pvp. now every pub scrub is going to be using a bone necro for pvp and will be rewarded for their scrubbery due to horrible balance changes.
Haha I'm totally gonna be this pub scrub, going to lvl the 90 necro today!
VV did the graphix. It’s blizz doing everything else
@@jprec5174 not to defend blizzard but how do you know that? I'm pretty sure that blizzard doesnt give a rat's azz about diablo 2 so why would they take on patching it. VV is the people they put in charge of the game as a whole servers included that means dev, graphics and patches. Show me where blizzard took the reigns on patching and I'll correct myself Edit: ahhhh i see where your going with this, basically VV got completely assimilated by blizzard so technically you are correct it is blizzard but its the same team from VV doing the patching. so..... congrats on a technicality?????
Not really that Bowa he fought was garbage. Max gear/Stat bowa vs. This build gonna win everytime. You can out run bone spirit. He had to Tele on the bowa, and she didn't have fanat aura. Higher ias and he was dead.
@@Lo0PyNuTs yea, i've actually got a bowzon now haha, 2.4 gonna make bowas rock! sold my Great Bow (merc) Faith n bought a GMB, soon as i heard merc can use ama bow's in 2.4. Got the 95ias gears on the zon now, wow she shoots fast!
When they started hinting at the possibility of making balance changes, I knew D2R was doomed in terms of pvp balance. The original game went through painstaking patches to fix balance to the point where there's at least a decent enough balance to make every class viable in pvp through some spec, with a sort of a rock-paper-scissor type counter system. Now they're throwing all of that out of the window by being arrogant enough to think that they can make balance better. And don't even dream of new runewords being remotely balanced, if they ever get introduced.
It's not arrogance to patch the game lol
The game will definitely be dead they ruined a 2o year game
How do you feel about that statement a year later hahahahaha@@BlizzardCO333
Was getting my ass handed to me (spider sin) by hammerdins other night. Was kinda drunk...
Hey nice strat, tele into a line of spirits! Gonna try this! Awesome!
How do You guys PVP? I make public games and noone joins...
Just enter in games with names: DUEL , DUELS , DUELZ , DUELSS , DUELING , DUELSSS , etc
@@andrereis7993 i don't see any like this on My lobby, i finaly did a PVP build and havnt played any
What is the theme song???
Answer the question
Your typical 2/20 amulet... with 60 /20 / 10% /20% LOL
Been slowly putting mine together all i need now is a set of lifers
If teeth worked like charged bolt, boss killing speed would increase a lot and wr wouldnt need this dmg changes in bone spirit and spear........
It's super nice of Blizzard to help me choose Elden Ring and HZD:FW over D2R with this busted necro patch.
2:55 - KoKo in headgear?? WHY? O_o
Max block
@@sursnaps kinda dumb imho...
With that dmg looks like it would be viable for farming chaos too
What have they done...
If they introduced magic damage reduction by % equipment, charms, and jewels then people could have fun gearing up against the necro in PvP. Dunno if this is a good solution but at least there would be instances where the necro would have a hard time.
Maybe an unpopular opinion:
I would like to see some *BM Builds* and video tutorials for noobs to learn, coming from the pros. Which could also include counter measure tutorials against BM players, if any? You know the game is full of them already. A large portion of the community knows this. I say give everyone a chance to BM, but hope it's in a GM manner.
(Meaning no naked kills, but fun stuff like bone prison charges. Or wolf charges on hdin to act as meat shield. Or how to properly make use of merc stomping. Or benefits of Cleglaws on a rabies druid/cs zon. Or lower res wands on swap)
The most BM of the BM, are vet players who know their shit. I would assume most noobs have more of a heart when it comes to dueling manners. Teach everybody the full in's and out's of the game including BM and not just the cookie cutter GM builds where they still get rekt without knowing why
Eh bro most pub builds arnt allowed in gg duels 🤣
Unfortunately it's hard to create content about BM duels because BM dueling is often associated with hacks like autoaim, TMC, auto tp, etc. That's what people do they ruin the fun of things by taking it too far.
If you can keep BM clean of hacks I'm all about it. Very similar to NH pking in RuneScape, anything goes.
@@PAwader bm dueling is also certain equipment that has crazy effects like slow n stuff
@@Cornholers yes I understand that. That's the fun parts of it.
@@PAwader so then why doesn't anyone make content for it?
Edit: I could *tell* you BM strategies. But a video done by a content creator would be much more wholesome
Lol didn't you already previously said that this was a issue?
You’re playing old graphics????
Coooley the type necro to bone prison a zon or shapeshift druid
It kinda annoys me how every other streamer just brushes these changes off like “whatever it makes no diff in pvm” but don’t even bother to test them in pvp when they know it’s going to be op.
All of them besides you that is cooley. Keep it up.
Very true.
This is silly, who buffs S-tier builds.
Silver lining though, being able to use not-spirit bc fhr is useless could be kinda fun.
Bro that fhr change gonna make pvp a defwhore party and kill most of the fun for almost any build... i say rip..
Games dead thanks woke blizzard employees
why becasue you can't lock people with mindblast forever?
Ad i said other builds will be affected by this fhr change as bone nec and wind dudu for example... to fix assa mind blast we gonna break the entire fhr mechanic?? Ye looks like... keep saying rip
Good. That makes meleers better
@@MrJimmibambo so if im getting this right, you want no fhr against builds that spam you into recovery, but fhr will still be good against builds like zealers or ww barbs no?
If mr lama isnt cry about this buff this can go live
Mrllama just cares about his views
If they wanted to make necros more viable in pvm they should have just buffed teeth a little bit or something. Cause necros still don’t have aoe and a pvm necro is still a corpse explode necro. Now I’ll feel guilty doing any pvp with my necro and he’s my main :(
I really hope they see this video...
You guys keep showing these awesome builds and they get nerfed. Good job
Lol are you going to get all this gear without editor? Most people won't, so who cares? It's pretty unrealistic
try that on p8 diablo! it needs a buff
you forgot to raise 20x immunity revives with your 1 point wonder, how charitable
no need
How the fuck did you find that shield?!
He "finds" his stuff at D2JSP xd
Trying to make this now.
They need to make seperate skills just for PvP.
New PVP rule incoming
They need to just have separate pvp damage so people can stop complaining and yes I'm a pvper I just don't care
I can't understand the complaining about buffing bone damage to still be less than half of what hammers do...
Because hammers and bone spirit are not the same skill.. just because they're both magic damage, people feel like geniuses when they compare them. They work entirely differently.
@@Coooley hammers spiral and you can aim bone spells...? Honestly not that different of a play style with those two classes. Let's see a best of 10 duel between a max damage hammerdin/ bone necro, see what wins. Time limit so it's not just a teleport circle jerk