Let's NOT Get Scammed by Makeup Holiday Value Sets at SEPHORA...

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  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2024

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  • @LaurenMaeBeauty
    @LaurenMaeBeauty  Рік тому +6

    Watch Part 2 HERE - ua-cam.com/video/y_PQ9fQe6YU/v-deo.html

  • @diamondinmyeye6160
    @diamondinmyeye6160 Рік тому +817

    Pro tip: if they're not telling you the value of the set, it's because there is none. You're paying the same or more for variety.

    • @aprilrich807
      @aprilrich807 Рік тому +28

      My tip is to ALWAYS be on the lookout for value padding. Happens all the time.

  • @claireparker3815
    @claireparker3815 Рік тому +599

    tarte needs a serious reality check if they estimate those 3 cheek palettes at $234!?! they’re $25 each tops 🤯

    • @R.L.Maverick
      @R.L.Maverick Рік тому +10

      Nailed it!

    • @sher3196
      @sher3196 Рік тому +51

      I literally thought someone at tarte must think consumers are idiots if they think we believe that value.

    • @R.L.Maverick
      @R.L.Maverick Рік тому +17

      @@sher3196 agree! The values on their holiday sets makes no sense whatsoever.

    • @angielott83
      @angielott83 Рік тому +21

      Just because they SAY it’s a certain value…. Doesn’t mean they didn’t just make that up 😂

    • @francescagalleri1858
      @francescagalleri1858 Рік тому +14

      I honestly hope whoever wrote that made a typo or something because it's shady as hell they're trying to claim they're worth $78 each palette 😂

  • @clandestinecoherence
    @clandestinecoherence Рік тому +215

    sephora is really hoping i’m not checking the unit price and doing all the math on all these items but i definitely will hahaha

  • @patr70
    @patr70 Рік тому +415

    I remember in 2017/2018.. You would get TWICE as much stuff in each Holiday Set. Most of these are a rip-off. 👎😯

    • @RosemarieFit
      @RosemarieFit Рік тому +19

      So true!! The shrinkflation is real

    • @Elwyn_the_Weird
      @Elwyn_the_Weird Рік тому +6

      Yeah I keep looking for those classic Sephora value sets and there are none to be found!

    • @Liitebulb
      @Liitebulb Рік тому +1

      Yes nothing worth looking at since 2019

  • @pattyelaine9563
    @pattyelaine9563 Рік тому +202

    Milk full size is really a mini …. Let’s get real. Love your videos. You are hilarious ❤

    • @TheClairelikescats
      @TheClairelikescats Рік тому +26

      I miss when Milk used to give us those giant deo sized sticks...

    • @maddieclarke258
      @maddieclarke258 Рік тому +8

      @@TheClairelikescatsoh my gosh right? It was like a full deodorant sized blush for $24 and the minis were like $14. Now they’re selling the mini size equivalent for the original price! And like I sucker I bought one because they really are beautiful

  • @JHTjersey
    @JHTjersey Рік тому +253

    Let’s not get scammed let’s shop smart this year I’m here for it thanks for your help.

  • @catherinelynnfraser2001
    @catherinelynnfraser2001 Рік тому +154

    Only buy the stuff you’ll use, seriously. Don’t try too many mascaras at once, they dry out. Check the makeup colours, you might already have them.

  • @GMW.artist
    @GMW.artist Рік тому +176

    Campaign to have these mini sets in the Summer, ready for when most of us go on vacation and will actually find them useful!... 😎✌🏼💜

    • @BlitheDream
      @BlitheDream Рік тому +4

      I’m lucky that for me it’s summer at Xmas!

    • @maddieclarke258
      @maddieclarke258 Рік тому

      Omg you’re so right. I would love to pack only minis and save myself the room

  • @obviouslyalannah
    @obviouslyalannah Рік тому +87

    The Rare Beauty blush set is def the one that caught my eye this year too. Did you see Yessyle has an advent calendar? I'm thinking of picking it up as my advent calendar for this year, it has a nice mix of k-beauty makeup and skincare

  • @annakout
    @annakout Рік тому +90

    I’m here for these videos every single holiday season. You recommendations have saved me so much money on holiday sets.

  • @LEbackstage
    @LEbackstage Рік тому +40

    For us Europeans that holiday lashstash is unfortunately only redeemable in Luxembourg and France. It's sold at every Sephora for some reason and not advertised online. I had to call customer service for that information 🙄 I don't know if it's the same with the other sets, but I assume it'll be.

    • @miss_treeliv8204
      @miss_treeliv8204 Рік тому +5

      😢😢😢😢😢 The llash certificate isnt available in Canada either.

  • @tvmayer
    @tvmayer Рік тому +24

    Your makeup looks amazing here! Gorgeous gorgeous!

  • @juleet7241
    @juleet7241 Рік тому +36

    I fought against getting the Laneige lip masks for so long, but once I tried them, I was hooked. I ordered the caramel apple one as soon as I saw it. I can't wait to try it out. I might get that mini set too 😂

    • @xoxjelloxox
      @xoxjelloxox Рік тому +2

      Is it mixed brown and green? Is the brown the caramel and green the apple? Or the whole thing is caramel apple flavoured?

    • @juleet7241
      @juleet7241 Рік тому +3

      @xoxjelloxox The whole thing is caramel apple flavored, and it's brown in color

    • @maddieclarke258
      @maddieclarke258 Рік тому

      The tube balms are my favorite! The berry is such a pretty rose pink shade on and it’s so glossy!

  • @thewanderingorphan
    @thewanderingorphan Рік тому

    39:57 the fact that you care and inform us with credible insight is why we all love your videos no matter the length! You’re saving us, doll!!!

  • @erica1898
    @erica1898 Рік тому +23

    Tell me how the set of three tarte face palettes are "valued" at $234!! Tarte, umm no! 😂

  • @rosedillon6645
    @rosedillon6645 Рік тому +4

    27:31 OMG those Tarte pallettes all look exactly the same, WHAT is happening

    • @aphreyst4551
      @aphreyst4551 Рік тому

      When I saw them on the Ulta app I literally thought "how is the same palette 3 times a gift set?"

  • @rayspace6362
    @rayspace6362 Рік тому +20

    Tarte claiming something outlandish lie cheek palettes being valued at 60$ a pop, and tiny eyeshadow palettes being $50+ is the funniest thing about these Sephora sales. Who is gullible enough to buy these please I just wanna talk.. 😅

  • @ForeverLacquered
    @ForeverLacquered Рік тому +12

    I have saved so much money since you started this series of videos. My outlook has completely changed and I really think about what I’m getting vs letting the FOMO take over.

  • @jlkitz1775
    @jlkitz1775 Рік тому +28

    Consumers are getting LESS for more 💵 across the board! Only buy what you'll use. Do your research! We've got to shop smarter people 😉👍🏾. Thanks for all of your hard work, Lauren 😘✌🏾

  • @hillshounds
    @hillshounds Рік тому +9

    "Land the plane." LOL.

  • @elisetomasello6346
    @elisetomasello6346 Рік тому +7

    Yes for the part 2! That Tarte lip set is like that Mac one that had all the versions of velvet teddy that came out like 2 years ago.

  • @thedarkeststar76
    @thedarkeststar76 Рік тому +8

    The Tarte Tubing mascara is excellent! Get it get it get it!

    • @mariadentino6811
      @mariadentino6811 Рік тому +1

      I liked that one, but wish it was a true tubing mascara. It’s like a hybrid which still smudges all over when removing it.

    • @thedarkeststar76
      @thedarkeststar76 Рік тому

      @@mariadentino6811 I use a cleansing balm, and I don't have any trouble. But I never put on more than one coat of mascara, either. Are you using the warm water trick? I can see that leading to some smudging.

    • @mariadentino6811
      @mariadentino6811 Рік тому +1

      I usually use a cleansing balm too, I just wish it came off cleanly in tubes like the Thrive or the L’Oréal Double Extend Beauty Tubes without having to use the balm.

  • @amyfox8627
    @amyfox8627 Рік тому +24

    Omg yes!!! The holiday sets tend to be such a scam. Rarely worth the price.

  • @ceciliagovea
    @ceciliagovea Рік тому +1

    regarding K18, only get it if your hair is actually damaged. I got a 150 ml one (the stylist size), used it all up following proper instructions, and didn't notice much of a difference in strength nor health of my hair. BUT, my sister with bleached, damaged hair used a 50 ml one and it helped her a ton

  • @trasmr6161
    @trasmr6161 Рік тому +2

    Thank you for always putting time stamps in your videos, it’s greatly appreciated.

  • @abymm1875
    @abymm1875 Рік тому +13

    It’s not a Sephora set, but I just got the ASOS 12 day advent calendar (it’s just a box). Costs $64 and I paid $52 with code Newbie. Valued over $100. Just the CT pillow talks dreams (which I wanted) and the Elemis 30ML cream made it for me. I know that the Elemis is always in the 21 days of beauty but I cannot buy from ULTA living outside the US. So I really think this was a nice nice set.

    • @csterling98
      @csterling98 Рік тому

      Great set! I think it's called the ASOS Face + Body 12 Day Holiday Gift Set, but I did find it 😊 (I think they do have an Advent calendar that is out of stock...and not as good as this one!)

  • @rachelrezko4229
    @rachelrezko4229 Рік тому +6

    I love long form content. I live for the 30-60 minute videos. Keep them coming!

  • @marshaanderson4756
    @marshaanderson4756 Рік тому +12

    I totally got that Laneige set, and I'm going to save it for little teacher gifts at Christmas. :)

    • @pixiepalasmr6881
      @pixiepalasmr6881 Рік тому +2

      That’s so kind that you’re thinking of the teachers too, they don’t get enough support or praise. They’re going to love it

  • @JenniferYbi
    @JenniferYbi Рік тому +3

    The overall value has to take into consideration whether the products get used. You pointed out opportunities to try new products or gift things, or get a good deal on things people already like. Great video, do more.🎉

  • @imdaniok
    @imdaniok Рік тому +1

    I got myself the holiday must haves set and while personally it’s a bit up there in price I do really love it and think it’s of good value. The setting spray, powder, and cleanser all are a decent size so you get a good amount of product and then it’s always fun trying out the other items. Yes the blush it’s tiny and full size but a little goes a long way.

  • @abbielegary412
    @abbielegary412 Рік тому +4

    Tarte, what the Fig?! Lol Love these videos Lauren! ❤

  • @eleonorederieux8188
    @eleonorederieux8188 Рік тому +16

    Lauren I love your long videos! You always have such great info and advice. Please give us a part #2 🙏 And always remember if you feel like it's worth talking about we very most likely do too!

  • @melissam7379
    @melissam7379 Рік тому +8

    We need you to be the voice of reason because I lose all sense of control when I see minis and value sets lol

  • @latifahgordeeva6198
    @latifahgordeeva6198 Рік тому +1

    I tell you what value sets i miss terribly were the Revlon ones and Ultima II. They always had full Holiday kits Including Nail Polish. They were around when i was in my teens until my early 20s then they stopped. 😔

  • @Mirandathedragon
    @Mirandathedragon Рік тому +5

    I would love a part 2!! and I love watching a great long video from you! Thanks for doing this, all your research/opinions are great

  • @laurengarrison8804
    @laurengarrison8804 Рік тому +7

    Part 2 would be great! It's fun to disect the sets.

  • @CPea91
    @CPea91 Рік тому +9

    Lauren! I bought the Ouai body scrub a few months back on your recommendation and it’s been such a luxurious addition to my shower routine 😊
    Regrading candles, I find that most of the candles I buy don’t have the scent throw I want (and why I buy them lol). Would you consider making a recommendation video on candles/candle brands with the best scent throw?

  • @krissygirl2609
    @krissygirl2609 Рік тому +6

    thank you for always looking out for your subscribers Lauren. your content is top tier ❤

  • @emilyedwards4276
    @emilyedwards4276 Рік тому +9

    Looking gorgeous as always! I was just thinking about wanting this video from you, i remember you and Kelly gooch doing it last year around holiday time. Love your videos, as always!

  • @Keriedawayy
    @Keriedawayy Рік тому +3

    I appreciate the breakdown of these sets bc they all look intriguing but I struggle to know what will truly introduce me to new things. I’m screenshotting all your reccs! 😊

  • @antoniac1234
    @antoniac1234 Рік тому +3

    User of massive hair clips here. Most of these "hair science " things are scams. I got one of those K18 things for free and it made my hair feel gummy.

  • @iiconicvirgo
    @iiconicvirgo Рік тому

    K18 is actually amazing it has done wonders for my hair!!! & as a licensed cosmetologist I recommend it for any color client or people that get split ends very quick.

  • @Hiiiiiiiiieeee
    @Hiiiiiiiiieeee Рік тому

    K18 is AMAZING! I’ve been a hairstylist for almost 20 years and it is life-changing. It’s like Olaplex, but on steroids. Amazing for color treated, especially bleached hair.

  • @kennidystephens7289
    @kennidystephens7289 Рік тому +11

    I love advent calendars, but the last couple of years they haven't been the best. I always look out for Charlotte Tilbury, Elf, and the Body Shop.
    I wish that they released more in the US, because they have tons of good ones over in the UK.

  • @RudiBerry
    @RudiBerry Рік тому +1

    Lauren, try the new Nudestix lip butters! I think you’ll love

  • @allisonmartinez1078
    @allisonmartinez1078 Рік тому +8

    What do you think about the sephora sparkly clean set (with the green bag) its the only one im interested in lol. ALSO your makeup omg cheffs kiss

    • @LaurenMaeBeauty
      @LaurenMaeBeauty  Рік тому +6

      Omg that set was added the day after I filmed this but I was so happy to see it! I think it is the best Sephora set out of all of them, at least for me and what I am interested in trying!

    • @PracticingStitchcraft
      @PracticingStitchcraft Рік тому

      I am also hearing the siren song of the green bag 😅 I wanted Merit L'Avenue and that Saie blush anyways 👀👀

    • @allisonmartinez1078
      @allisonmartinez1078 Рік тому

      @LaurenMaeBeauty literally same. Like the blush and lipstick I'd what I'm most excited by (I have no nude lipstick, only red and purple-y)

    • @allisonmartinez1078
      @allisonmartinez1078 Рік тому +2

      Update: i got it. I also ordered some nail stuff yesterday at like 2am (sale ended literary 8 mins after i placed it) amd now its 11pm and ive done it again. My mom is gonna kill me

  • @hayleypflug7384
    @hayleypflug7384 Рік тому +2

    I like the fresh lip balms, but they are super soft! They melt while you’re using them lol.

  • @Kpop0223
    @Kpop0223 Рік тому +4

    That eyeshadow look is so pretty. I'm loving the purple. What is it? 👀

  • @tanhome7
    @tanhome7 Рік тому +2

    Sephora Favorites sets used to be better back in 2016/2017. They’ve raised their prices substantially and the products have gotten more mini.
    The LashStash is the best value with their coupon for full sized. Always my fav. Although I’d debate that all 5 mini mascaras are truly favorites (milk makeup I’m looking at you this year)

  • @adelavalladares
    @adelavalladares Рік тому +2

    Already bought the rare beauty mini bundle and the nudestix lip balms. I am so addicted to lip balms or anything hydration to my lips either high end or dollar tree. I have super dry lips and you could never go.

  • @stevieray7203
    @stevieray7203 Рік тому +1

    I always look at the price point of the items in minis, samples, etc. if I love something how expensive will it be to repurchase? That helps inform me if I even want to try it.

  • @becorations1
    @becorations1 Рік тому +1

    What’s that gorgeous eyeshadow you’re wearing?! Beautiful!!!

  • @rainyvibes3634
    @rainyvibes3634 Рік тому +1

    what eyeshadow are you wearing? i love it!

  • @laurenbergman2905
    @laurenbergman2905 Рік тому +1

    What eyeshadow are you wearing, Lauren? It’s gorgeous!

  • @skylertime
    @skylertime Рік тому +2

    just wanted to say your eye look is gorgeous in this video!!

  • @alexandragatto
    @alexandragatto Рік тому +1

    If you want to get into tubing mascara I really recommend the Blinc "Lash Extensions" one! They are one of the OG tubing brands and their formulas can be hard to differentiate but I really love that one. I have insanely smudge-proof eyes and it's the only thing that works, plus it holds a curl for literal days and I love how easy removal is. It's the only kind of high end mascara that's worth the price imho.

  • @angelaa.9915
    @angelaa.9915 Рік тому +4

    I straight up don’t understand the thought process behind the tarte sets but clearly someone is buying them for them to keep churning them out 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @hcf4kd1992
      @hcf4kd1992 Рік тому +2

      Aunts for their nieces. I have 4 sister in laws and 4 daughters.

  • @cindyh303
    @cindyh303 Рік тому +2

    Thanks Lauren, appreciate your insight! Part 2, part 3, part 4... whatever you got! An ulta one as well. ❤👍🏻

  • @clandestinecoherence
    @clandestinecoherence Рік тому

    love k18. abbey yung does some really great videos on the science behind it and why it can help repair damaged hair

  • @rachellestanton84
    @rachellestanton84 Рік тому +1

    Lauren I was cracking up at your maracuja fig 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @annhardy508
    @annhardy508 Рік тому

    Yes! Try tubing mascaras. I love them. I'm liking the Merit tubing mascaras now.

  • @Olliesworld2021
    @Olliesworld2021 Рік тому +3

    I was waiting for someone to make this type of video - and I’m extra glad it’s from you!

  • @ick.zosted
    @ick.zosted Рік тому +1

    TWO HUNDRED THIRTY FOUR DOLLAR VALUE WHERE 🤣🤣🤣 ohhhh tarte you crack me up

  • @cailinrua7243
    @cailinrua7243 Рік тому

    If you’re looking for a tubing mascara, I’d highly recommend the Clinique High Impact Zero Gravity. I know it’s pricey but it’s by far the best I’ve tried.

  • @kerriwright4593
    @kerriwright4593 Рік тому +2

    Caudalie is one of my favorite brands. I love their masks, essence, creams, beauty elixir.

  • @rachelburns5453
    @rachelburns5453 Рік тому

    yo when you talked about the peeling that can happen with lips I knew EXACTLY what you were talking about!! It feels like my lips are either dry and crackly or when i use lip balm they end up peeling and its weird. Ty for saying that when talking about Laneige, I might actually try them and now I know I'm not the only one with peely lips!

  • @Deathzombie1314
    @Deathzombie1314 Рік тому +2

    I absolutely love these videos. They help me see what’s available easily and see what I can get the best value out of. Also, great idea on splitting them up for stockings!

  • @billied17
    @billied17 Рік тому +1

    Could you please tell us how you did your eyes for this video? They are stunning!!! 🤩So beautiful!!!

  • @alexismercedes2098
    @alexismercedes2098 Рік тому +2

    Don't worry about the videos being too long. We like it.

  • @RavingKats
    @RavingKats Рік тому +1

    Their birthday freebies are so beyond limited now too. I just got the choice btwn 250 pts or mini sized Glow Recipe Watermelon Glow set. That's it. Usually there's like 4-5 options. I mean, I'll take it and try it but still.

  • @faithkim5667
    @faithkim5667 Рік тому +1

    The Carolina Herrera Good Girl rollerball trio is such a good deal. They have the new Blush in the set and you get 3x10ml for the price of 1.

  • @chantellyons836
    @chantellyons836 Рік тому +7

    Actively taking notes for the end of the year Sephora sale📝

  • @TheElectricHeartbeat
    @TheElectricHeartbeat Рік тому +2

    I love your long videos. Keep them up!

  • @whitneyallan8920
    @whitneyallan8920 Рік тому

    The Laneige lip glowy balm in peppermint is AMAZING.

  • @kate98765
    @kate98765 Рік тому

    Jack Black is the my favorite lip balm. Great for if you live somewhere where your lip product might melt. I have like four of these scattered around my home/purse

  • @kayembabe
    @kayembabe Рік тому

    i can't even really pay attention to the video because your makeup is soooooo freaking immaculate like oh my gosh i'm obsesssed you look so good! 💖🫶🏾

  • @cathy3546
    @cathy3546 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for reminding me to choose carefully. For my very cool toned fair skin, most sets have colors I will never use.

  • @kerriwright4593
    @kerriwright4593 Рік тому +3

    A lot of times I save my points and get the little sets to gift with them. I have gotten different skincare ones like drunk elephant and hair ones and my daughters love the minis in their stockings

  • @Victoria-ov9yw
    @Victoria-ov9yw Рік тому

    I would love a part 2! This was an excellent deep dive and real talk in the pros and cons of the holiday sets

  • @rabbiroz3806
    @rabbiroz3806 Рік тому

    It’s been a long time since I bought one of these sets EXCEPT for scent samplers, where after testing out 10 different perfumes/colognes. . . You get to pick up a full size of one of them! K18 is a really great leave in hair conditioner/treatment that DOES work, but I don’t have thin hair. I really appreciate this video and you going through many of the kits and dissecting them so we don’t waste our money!

  • @shandysawh3071
    @shandysawh3071 Рік тому +1

    My favorite set i ever bought was from Nest around 2017. 5 travel size perfumes with the matching 3 oz creams for $75. I compare everything to that and nothing ever comes close

  • @vanessafrigon
    @vanessafrigon Рік тому +1

    In Canada, we don’t get the perfume sampler, makes me sooo sad!!!! 😢😢 if we do, then, there’s no voucher!

  • @heavaforeva
    @heavaforeva Рік тому

    Whats even better they throw in hair sale one day events in the midst of the holiday launches..but the holiday sets are not always an option. I will get the farmacy cleansing balms they will last for many months

  • @matorovitch
    @matorovitch Рік тому +1

    Im so glad I watched this before going crazy on the holiday sets. You're doing the lords work ❤

  • @janearcher3834
    @janearcher3834 Рік тому +1

    I've always wanted to get a beauty advent calendar. But never find out about them until they are all sold out. So yes on those! Thanks for some really great ideas for the holidays.

  • @melindac1980
    @melindac1980 Рік тому +1

    SDJ 40 is lovely. Smells yummy and expensive for a body spray!

  • @FaelineVox
    @FaelineVox Рік тому +1

    I like these sets esp for skincare only bc I travel a lot and it's nice to still have a step of skincare I might want traveling.

  • @JanTownsend-mu1jz
    @JanTownsend-mu1jz Рік тому +5

    You look so pretty!

  • @ericatucker2683
    @ericatucker2683 Рік тому +3

    That chart price of $234 value. It's out of control. They're saying that each one of those piles is worth $78 and they're going to sell three of them for $42? The math ain't mathing.

  • @corvetteshrell
    @corvetteshrell Рік тому

    Yes to a Part 2! And can you do a video on Ulta as well! I am very interested in the Innbeauty Project lip glaze set and the Farmacy lip smoothies! Tfs.

  • @dianereiser6417
    @dianereiser6417 Рік тому

    I was looking at the Too Faced holiday palette snow globe set, and I really like the colors, I might pick it up when it’s on clearance.

  • @acebernaise4087
    @acebernaise4087 Рік тому +2

    i'm just getting into parfumes and i'm devestated that they don't sell that sampler in europe! anyways, very insightful video tysm for this!

  • @stereotypea123
    @stereotypea123 Рік тому +57

    My yearly reminder to never buy a Fresh sugar lip balm set 😁😁

    • @FeoshiaHDavis
      @FeoshiaHDavis Рік тому +3

      The lip balms are small and always break!

    • @maddieclarke258
      @maddieclarke258 Рік тому +2

      Even though they’re overpriced (not moreso than other high end lip balms I guess) it’s so much better to buy one full sized one that you like than to waste money on the $40+ gift sets. I’ve been using them forever and they’re good, but the minis just aren’t worth it

  • @priyalimbachiya272
    @priyalimbachiya272 Рік тому

    I got the Laneige mini set last year and i only use it for travel. It was so convenient

  • @krypton_boi7502
    @krypton_boi7502 Рік тому

    You have to see that Tarte quad in person. It's actually gorgeous!

  • @KellieRyan
    @KellieRyan Рік тому +1

    Please do a Part 2, or 3 or 4.

  • @tanhome7
    @tanhome7 Рік тому +1

    Snagged the mini Laneige set as well as the Rare Beauty set first day they were released on the Sephora app and feel like I did very well in terms of value and trying out varieties. Happy with my purchase. It will all be used.

  • @loringail_
    @loringail_ Рік тому +4

    "I still buy a lot of makeup, but I'm not buying this." Best motto yet!

  • @loriscott3290
    @loriscott3290 Рік тому

    Part 2 please on high end sets 😬. I hv thin hair,too. I tried the K18. It’s one of those treatments that’s rebuilds the bonds in your hair like Olaplex. It’s good like once then it seems to “overtreat” your hair and almost dry it out/make it more tangly. That was my experience anyway, but most people like the results it seems. Definitely get a sample if you hv never use it before.