I've said this before, but the Incarnates mirror the Elemental Lords heavily to a degree. The 2 Incarnates we were truly against were Fyrakk and Raszageth. Fire and Air (if you associate Storm with Wind). And the 2 Lords we fought and killed in the Cataclysm are Ragnaros and Ala'kir. Fire and Air again. If Vyranoth is Water/Ice then just like Neptulon, she was destined to help us players. And Iridikron and Therazane, both of earth, just want to work alone. Albeit Therazane helps us while Iridikron is forever against us. The parallels are scary close.
I will say though. I do believe that cinematic where Malfurion and Tyrande kiss is indeed the first time we see such a display of affection in the game in general from any couple in warcraft.
We all know what they're gearing up for there i think... Between Baldurs Gate 3's sex pestering and the polyamorous throuple questline in DF, I think we're approaching a bit too much "sex positivity" in gaming. A weird kind: where you can't have women in scant clothes, but you can have the strangest most deviant behaviors positively depicted. If we must have couples kissing and modern furry fetish stuff, can we at least have the Gen X power fantasy TOO? Like... both? Not one instead of? I guess I'm still just in the bargaining phase, but Metzen is my last hope.
@OrchinX just letting you know that as a twenty somthing, I've met many poly couples/people in a poly relationship offline just living in a city (I met all these people in contexts that were not inherently sexual btw). Not really what i would call degenerate.
I think they're just finally comfortable having characters physically interact in in-game model cutscenes, which would be way harder to animate in a natural way before the new style they adopted in Shadowlands. I realized this when I saw the first hugs between Ysera and Merithra, and Malfurion and Tyrande, earlier in the expansion. I don't think kisses have been that rare in novels and comics..?
Tyrande and Malfurion.. the masters of bailing on the Nightelves to go be with each other when it comes time to actually lead. Hopefully Shandris and Maiev will be far more interesting leaders for this future though. One can hope.
That pose looks just so goofy at that moment. 😂 Also love how I stood in the exact same position as you when doing the Kalec stay a while & listen, then had to move to the same position again because the rude blue walked right through me lol
Ye thats also the big difference between Azeroth granting some of her powers to them and the Primal Drakes getting their super duper Elemental ascension/Primal Drakes getting their order roids from Tyr.
My night elf characters are chilling in Bel'ameth for now. My Dalaran mage- Celestari- is helping Kalecgos search for information about the Darkheart, while my human warrior- Eriza Redshield- joins Thrall and Jaina in search for Anduin. My blood elf paladin and rogue couple- Althran Stormstrider and Namith Dawnblade- go on a vacation.
As a nelf gamer i feel like the wow devs finally did something right by us, malfurion finally fucking back, tyrande confirming the nelves will continue to defend kalimdor and teasing returning to teldrassil, just awesome. im so happy
@@biglew421 I know it looks that way but don’t mistake content for favouritism, we’ve had lots of lore sure, but shit lore that fucks us over every chance it gets and fundamentally misunderstands who the kaldorei are
@@JaxKangaroo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Mate, compared to the trolls, you're literary Blizzard's goldenboys. I can count up to around twenty fat victories the Elves (counting you're mutated cousins as well) have had throughout the lore. You know how many the trolls has had? The Aqir-war. That's it. It's just been down-fucking-hill for the trolls since then. Zul'Farrak is just a wasteland now, Zul'Drak is mostly just gone at this point, Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman has taken so many beatings the past thirty years that it's just proof of the trolls' resilience that they are still around today (though weakened to a shameful degree), and Zandalar has become a shitty little island with only one third of the damn place being somewhat inhabitable, with the other two being a giant desert that is used as a death sentence and a rotting swamp that contemplates that usage just as much. The only trolls who's gotten at least some wins are the Darkspear, and they are probably the most underused Horde faction in the game (if you don't count the Horde-pandaren), especially if you compare them to the orcs, blood elves or Forsaken. Also, what misunderstandings are there about the kaldorei? You're a bunch of tree-hugging, mutated, arrogant asshats who blew up the planet and thinks you're the eternal victims of the lore, even though you've caused all of the problems you've faced since the shattering. You're literary just better-looking Draenai, that is to say arrogant asshats who's caused most of the problems in the WC-universe.
I like how with these bits they didn't muck about with "could it be, we aren't sure", cliffhanger nonsense. The SECOND that Shandris gasped, you KNEW DAMN WELL who she'd spotted :D Certianly does feel like Horde/Alliance is now old news, the next three expansions look bigger than tribal warfare, cities are starting to be joint sanctuaries, a good chunk of the old characters are "resting", feels like Wow2 will be at the end of all this. Can't wait!
Never considered that! Would be pretty great to see, perhaps void expansion will be about their return, and the last titan about the races helping reforge the sword into a weapon for azaorth (Whoever/whatever she is) to beat them. That would lead nicely into a 'fresh' start for the next saga, something blizzard clearly want.
Exactly, doesn't show continuity, another L for Blizzard. Tyrande was more sad when Malfurion was having trouble waking up due to Fandral's meddling for years.
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 Ahh yes because they should just keep the game like it was many years ago and not user better tech to make character appear more expressive... you make so much sense.
If anyone deserves a happy ending it’s Tyrande & Malfurion. For 10,000 years they out their responsibilities to their people and their world before themselves. Forced to exist in separate planes of existence most of that time. Havjng their people loose their homeland 3 times. And only ever being able to be together when times were bad and druids could be awakened. And their love never faltered or faded in all of that. They deserve a happy ending and Shandris is the only choice to replace them.
I have a hottake after exploring Bel'ameth. I think it'll be the a new night elf starting zone in the future. Its placed right next to dragonflight (Which will become 10-60) and it has everything a starting zone needs. Lots of space, all the trainers, etc.
I just love how the night elf epilouge is: we are SO done with all of this, you take the job our daughter. We are 2 legendary magic warrirors each the lvl of a raid boss, but you got this. Now go as we have some repopulation to deal with.
Damnit! I am a sucker for a good reunion scene like Malfurion and Tyrande's. I will say about Iridikron being team void. I disagree. I feel he is not sided with void but rather just allied with it due to having a common enemy. It's likely that Iridikron is using the Harbinger as part of his plan to destroy the titans. And likewise the Harbinger using Iridikron as part of her plan.
I don't think Xal'atath is fully aligned with the Void. To be fair I don't think the cosmological forces identify factions. It's rather about the nature of the beings, more than about their goals and team membership. Not all the Titans are aligned, the same goes for elementals, and may be also about the Void (the Voidwalker?).
someone told me that Vyranoth had a baldspot on her head and now i cannot unsee it. they really should put some spikes on the center of her Head as well.
Bit late to this but just catching up on lore bits now, but does Jarod do anything in the night elf story? Always dissapppinted he never really gets to do anything despite being like one of the night elves major heroes, he just kinda hangs out at the side of anything he happens to be a part of.
The story from Shadowlands to Dragonflight was at the hand of a idiot who hated them and knew nothing about them what you expect from them? To write a good story?
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the first time Shandris has actually refered to Malfurion as Father? We know she's always seen him as a father, and they did adopt her as their daughter, but I don't recall her ever actually calling him Father before. Speaking of, this might be the first time we've seen the two of them interact directly. I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me.
They have Valsharah, Hyjal and Darkshore ports in Bel'ameth, but after I did the quest and realized Shandris is the new faction leader, I had a theory that Feathermoon Stronghold might be taking some precedence in TWW. So while I was exploring, I found the portal by one of the buildings on my way to the new docks in Bel'ameth.@@mokarokas-1727
Kalecgos played a rol in legion if that counts? They've fought old gods couple of times, mostly indirectly. Think the best example is C'thun in Ahn'Qiraj. To get that wall up around him, several dragons sacrificed themselves. We'd save m millenia later in classic
@@Nobbel87 They suck at their job as guardians. Since WOTA it seems like they only get involved if the threats include another dragon, and the world soul re-empowered these scaled goobers to defend the planet
If he plays with the Void, I wish Iridikron proved himself more than just its plaything in the end. Any Old God, Void Lord or whatever rules the Void would believe that they control the dragon, like they manipulated Deathwing before... only to realise their mistake far too late and pay a very terrible price for underestimating Iridikron, who is not going repeat Neltharion's mistake.
These last expansions have been quite on the nose with a general feel. Passing of the torch. Even though changes of leadership has been an aspect featured in the past constantly, these had always been presented through either urgency requiring the leader to be away because of a great danger or through a dramatic death that made our hearts grief. I think it's somewhat beautiful that we are lately seeing things like with Genn and Tess or Tyrande and Shandris where the parents are being proud to pass on leadership to their child, these having taken the lessons they could from them and even more lessons from their surrounding allies and friends. It's special. It feels special. No lord admiral's wife needing to be rekindled with family, no unprepared warchief having to take over leadership because the right heir for the post (never forgotten, Dranosh Saurfang) died, no last stand for a Warrior king trying to save their friends against the legion nor a dying Shadowhunter being manipulated behind the scenes. Just a parent proud of the lessons learnt by their descendant.
Really hate how every story ends, a very very long speech of how hard it was to get there, a new character ranking up, and you becoming champion for like the 100th time, they need to change these endings..
war within story ending be like "oh cool you did some good things, although it was like i dunno, a hill or something but that doesnt matter anymore, you're the Champion of the Earthen now, so go and have a well earned break, you deserve it!
I have a theory after seeing the dragons being aspekts again, Elune while being the moon is actually part of the earth. Like with our real earth and moon who were once one and separated in a great explosion. (maybe the titan was the reason for the explosion or the old gods). She is separated from the earth but still connected to it. She is the mother of life (at least the kaldorai and ysera and I doubt it just them). The dragons got their blessing from azeroth when Amirdrassil took roots in azeroth and the seed was born from Elune/Tyrandes tear.
I mean sure, but by making shandris the defacto leader then thats basically once again changing the night elf societal culture. In the past it was nobles and mages leading the society. In current wow it was druid and priestesses leading the society. Yes shandris does have some priestess training and a strong ability giveb by Elune, however she never referred to herself as a priestess. So that means now they wont have a high priestess leading the society anymore, but i guess it would be more like how during war of ancients the defenders dependedvon the nobility of ravenguard and his warriors to lead for awhile until making jarod shadowsong the main leader. I have no real issue of them doing this, but they need to do more to show these changes in game.
Am I the only who doesn’t like that we killed Raszageth? She wasn’t wrong, and after the World Soul Saga announcement I do not trust the titans (I never did tbh they were responsible for a lot misery throughout the cosmos). Raszageth is not like Fyrakk (a short-fused lunatic since the very beginning) or Iridikron, she is a lot like Vyranoth.
Raszageth was a martyr that rallied the anti-Titan movement that we're in the midst of. Her death was the catalyst for the release of the rest of the Incarnates, so without it, her message seemed to come out of personal spite versus genuine concern over the well-being of her kind and Azeroth as a whole.
@@Biffbifflin Raszageth was wrong both in his aim and in his means. What did the titans do wrong to you? How she was thinking to upset the status quo? Did you feel so bad living in Azeroth so far under the so called "Titans' heel? Tell me, did you enjoyed Nzoth visions? That's the alternative.
So what does vyranoth do?All the other aspects had important responsibilities. I guess vyranoth's is making sure one accumaloid nimbus gets from one place to the next. Kinda of a dick move.
The Titans gave the Aspects their responsibilities. Vyranoth does whatever she wants, and what she wants is to make sure dragons have liberty. She outright states that, and says her title is just a bunch of references.
@@mokarokas-1727 yes, because dragons have been enslaved (excluding dragonmaw clan, bu that was for like 2 years over thousands of years) recently... Hence why the came up with the StormDrakes questline where she encouraged them go beeak their oath of honor to Odyn for no reason whatsoever. Good writing indeed.
@@francescoporcari8597 - Proto-drakes sure have been, which hits close to home for her. The Netherwing were too. And she did view dragons as slaves to the titans (keep in mind they magically conditioned dragons/eggs to be subservient to them). There is no "oath of honor" if you're BORN into servitude. That's slavery. There was a similar situation with the drakonid earlier in the expansion. To immortal beings like Alexstrasza and Odyn it often doesn't really cross their minds that these are individuals with their own wants, and that new individuals are born all the time; they were just faceless servants.
@@mokarokas-1727 well, it's being a while since the kidnapping and forced arcane infusion of protodrakes eggs (more than 10.000 years). Regarding netherwings, it was Neltharion's fault, against other Dragon Aspect will, to cause their mutation by travelling to Draenor. And we already freed them in TBC! It's not like Odyn has been so active until recently (he was stucked in Halls of Valor), and with him imprisoned nothing coukd have stopped the "enslaved" protodrakes from flying away. Still they remain loyal. And Thrymjaris literally said that - though Odyn forbade them to leave his service - less honourable drakes have already broken ties and left, implying he has done nothing to stop them. The fact that she see the Dragons as slaves to the titans doesn't make it any truer since the Dragons has done literally whatever they wanted without the Keepers doing anything. Neltharion literally turned to the dark side without consequences! The slavery is just in her head, and in the head of all the people who're buying the anti titans speculations. The whole faceless servants perspective is your own head canon.
@@francescoporcari8597 - It doesn't really matter if it's been a while, if the effects remain. Ye...yeah? So? Should Vyranoth NOT want to give the Netherwing a better life, because their transformation and slavery were Deathwing's and Illidan's fault? lolwut? Outland sucks for safety and prosperity, and they didn't exactly choose to settle there. I'm not sure what you mean with Odyn and proto-drakes. Are you talking about storm drakes? I'm not. You'll have to take that Keeper-empowered dragon discussion up with Vyranoth, I'm just explaining her reasoning. If Alexstrasza herself acknowledges it in-game, it's not my head canon. You're really trying to talk down my arguments without having a reason to.
The story has gotten so complicated and so warped that I just cant keep up. I like to come back now and then to see the new expansion but it immediately overwhelms me with systems and WoW NEEDS to go back to its roots lest they just make games for people who don't care about this universe and they just make money - and saying that I realize that money is king and they will go where they can get it. HOPING the next expansion reigns all this in and we go back to what made WoW good - besides chasing a million mounts, token, badges, medals .... urgh just come BACK wow.
If any race deserves a break it’s the night elves. Too bad the tree is literally beyond suspect and definitely won’t be some sort of problem we need to address at all whatsoever. It’s literally a circle of stars.
Then again, the actual Circle of Stars is confirmed to be at the bottom of queen Azshara's palace. Aaaaand then again, all those interesting whispers are confirmed to not necessarily mean anything. Just like the Jailer wasn't talking about anything in particular when he said "a cosmos divided will not survive what is to come". Hard to say what will happen with Metzen back in the writing room, but for years now most of the story has been out of left field and most things that COULD create coherence has purposefully been kept vague. Because they're so afraid of "closing doors", they sacrifice any and all catharsis in the story.
Yeah ... to honor your sister by standing with her murderers. The once trying to stop you from being releasad at all buut your brother got "to evil" sooo all good yeah ? xD
That's why Vyranoth side-swap was ridiculous. Btw, Raszageth and Fyrakk were two assholes, both in their aims and goals and tehy deserved to die. If all you want is revenge at all cost, you either cam down or become the villain.
It''s hard not to get defensive about how they keep on changing the old guard to the "new generation" with all the granduer of a wet fart. It never really feels earned.
Yep, it feels forced. Malfurion and Tyrande still best represent the Night Elves and Shandris was already general of the army. I feels dumb for Tyrande and Malfurion to just quit like this and pass all responsibilities to Shandris, they are not even biologically old and are extremely well fit to continue to rule. Almost the same thing with Genn and Tess but even more dumb as Tess doesn't seam to be very fit to rule or willing. Blizzard needs to understand that the mere passing of time doesn't automatically mean the passing of torch. The old leaders should remain in their positions indefinitely or (if you really want to change them) until something happens that actually make sense for them to leave for something else, but I guess this is better than stupid deaths justifications because no good characters are irrevocably wasted this way.
I am honestly getting a little frustrated with stories, where they choose to portray a villain as cool, collected, and intelligent, and then they make the decision of allying with something that wants them dead, as if the pitiless and apathetic hunger of the void, isn't going to also swallow them whole. He allies with the Void because he trusts its hunger to exterminate the Titans, but he should also know, without a shadow of a doubt, just what the Void actually wants. And if he can't wipe out the titans themselves on his own, what in the blazes makes him think he can stand against the Void? I would believe that Fyrakk would lack the intelligence and foresight necessary, to make such a stupid bargain. But Iridikron has been made out to be a very intelligent character. Intelligent enough that he should know that allying with the all-consuming, reality-destroying force that is the Void, is a plain *stupid* idea. It kind of leaves me with the only conclusion being, that the writers don't really understand it themselves. Which just leaves me with the question of, when and how Iridikron is gonna realise that he picked a whole field's worth of oopsie-daisies. Because it's going to happen. He will be betrayed, corrupted, or killed by players before anything happens, and my money isn't on the third option. Perhaps there is the fourth option, of him already being corrupted and controlled, and that is why he's doing this in the first place. It's the only way his actions would make sense, even though that's a story thread they have used several times in the past, and it's getting a little old.
I don't know, I get the impression that Iridikron might be one of the first characters who takes advantage of the void rather than becomes consumed by it. His choice of words-"I trust its hunger"-read to me as if he is just directing the primal forces of the void to a larger threat. I don't believe he sees the void as allies, but rather "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of situation. Xal'atath obviously is going the be the bigger villain in the grand scheme of things, or at least a Gul'dan-type figure who brings forth the "big bad" of the void, wheres Iridikron is kind of an Illidan-type character-just replace Sargeras with the greater Titan Pantheon.
@@Biffbifflin But that is exactly the issue. The Void is not something you can direct, let alone control. It is one of the two fundamental forces of that entirety reality. It is not an entity you can reason with, or make bargains with. He might be able to unleash it upon Azeroth to "cleanse it of the Titans' influence", but there's no way to control when it stops. It's The Void. It's ONLY goal is to consume and corrupt. And one of the things it WANTS to consume and corrupt, is Azeroth. This is why I made that comment about the writers, because they are making him out to be someone who "takes advantage of the void", but it's like someone taking advantage of a tidal wave. You can set up a little wall of sandbags to direct it towards your annoying neighbour all you want, but it's a tidal wave that's not going to be stopped by a mere few hundred pounds of sand. It will just wash over your house as well, destroying everything. If he really thinks he can direct, let alone control the void, then he is an idiot. The Void isn't going to just stop once the Titans' influence is gone. It's going to consume until Azeroth is completely theirs, which is antithesis to his goal. He wants Azeroth to be "pure", free of outside influences. Unleashing the Void upon it, is the single most self-defeating thing he can do to achieve that goal. If they make it out to him being corrupted, then his actions make sense as they serve the ultimate goals of the Void itself, but that has been done several times before and I don't think that will be very interesting, which makes me somewhat doubt that as being the "truth".
@@1Kapuchu100 Of all the forces that inhabit the world of warcraft, Order via the Titans seems to the strongest. Even their opposite force, fel, is ultimately led by a titan. While the old gods and the void as a whole are strong, they are not stronger than the titans. Perhaps Iridikron seeks to strengthen the void, so it may have a bigger fighting chance against order? He may not control the tidal waves, or even stand up to them, but the tidal waves are very predictable. Maybe he seeks to destroy the tide walls the Titans erected on Azeroth to weaken them for his plans on the inland?
@@Biffbifflin like Gul'dan (AU) was little more than a plot device. Iridikron looks calm and collected, scheming and with the deep voice. But it's going to end like AU Gul'dan, the last boss of the first raid tier.
Totally agree. Even with the "dark" themes of shadowlands, the stories were common core playschool knockoffs of dealing with ACTUAL darkness or trauma. How dark or traumatic is anything when every character is an avengers superhero who can self resurrect or teleport anywhere at any time? It's felt like I've been watching Octonauts with a wow paint job. I get that the current devs want a 30 hour work week and safe spaces (behavior contract), but I want a good game with a balanced and compelling narrative. The sappy stuff only feels earned with the dramatic tension created by an actual conflict with actual characters we actually care about. Take for example one of the only new characters from the legacy races in DF: Toddy Whiskers. A shaved-side-of-the-head "female" dwarf with blue hair and a steampunk english accent. What in God's name is this? The only thing she's missing is a spork and a dr who bowtie. THIS is all they can cook?
@@OrchinX I don't know which is more embarrassing honestly - blizzard for allowing a bunch of blue hairs to hijack the franchise or the players that actually defend it and think it's a good direction for the game even though it's forcing basically everyone but them to quit. I don't have much hope left.
@@OrchinX It started out good with you commenting on the writing and how it needs to get better again, but you ended on the note of a female dwarf with blue hair being the problem..? Honestly, a down-to-earth tough old broad is exactly what I liked to see after all the generic supermodel "strong women" that are always on the verge of tears in cutscenes.
@@mokarokas-1727The problem with a character like “Toddy Whiskers” is that she’s ethnographically and culturally incoherent in a meta sense. Blue hair is not a natural hair color for dwarves, English accents have been transliterated to the Gilneans, dwarves native tongue has been transliterated to a more Scottish accent. Why does she have blue hair and an English accent? Because the devs do, and they admire that sort of thing. It’s the kind of thing that’s just the real-life values of the authors written into the work wholecloth, without using any literary devices or clever lampshading. The night elves, for example, have blue and purple hair, and are even matriarchal. Why doesn’t this bother the traditional fantasy gamer? Because it is coherent to the narrative. Their hair is naturally that color, and their magical physiology means that dynamic is believable. What do we think with “Toddy?” Would a no-nonsense “tough old broad” dwarf be vain enough to… dye their hair? Why? Do the barber shops now sell hair dye? Was there years of world building behind this character who stands out from other dwarves like a sore thumb?
@@OrchinX - I hear that, but with such a minor character I don't really care. She was a small breath of fresh air, nothing more. Would you really care about the hair, if let's say her accent was "correct"? Because you seem awfully focused on the hair, which is probably the easiest thing to change about your body aside from clothing. Yes, tough old broads can (and often do!) dye their hair. There's no "vanity" in that. And yes, barbershops in Azeroth have been changing hair colors since day 1. lol In short, I think you see some kind of insertion issue where there really isn't one. Just a shame about the accent then.
All of this epilogue material feels so hollow after the nothing narrative that was Dragonflight. What even happened? Like 4 things covered in 4 different questlines? Was anything actually at stake this whole time? I guess the new world tree? But what happens if that dies? I guess nothing? The narrative has been 100% milk and honey ever since they destroyed Sylvanas' character, and at this point I'm starting to get sick of it. Even the undead are now just normal humans with a quirky paintjob. Every race and faction acts exactly like a nice fella from sacramento. Every good character is right and good about everything, and every bad character is wrong and bad about everything. Remember the nuance of the old Thrall slave stuff? Or the more morally grey balanced handling of the Orc refugees from Draenor in original warcraft? WoW now has the moral, philosophical, and thematic depth of a cartoon. These little character interactions would be charming if they came after a thrilling story of ups and downs, but what we had was a story written by people who take pills to chemically disable the "down" circuitry of their brain.
I understand this sentiment, and I do agree that Dragonflight as a whole has been very cheerful and optimistic in its story. However, I get the feeling that the next three expansions in this World Soul Saga are going to take us back to a grittier story with greater stakes, hopefully reminiscent of Legion and the grand-scale feeling that permeated that expansion.
@@Biffbifflin yet we had this same speech before shadowlands. People thought we was getting something serious and... We got the shallowest villan ever; they pulled out the fact the whole lore was behind the Jailor for give him some character development... But at the end he was just a husk of dust. Sadly i don't believe in "Metzen the savior" til i see it... But allready try to sell to the fans a 4 or 6 years of WoW looks sketchy to me
I haven't gotten the impression that they actually want children, though. And either way, a child is a responsibility you need to dedicate yourself to - not a reward. lol
We can safely forget about this garbage. What a blackhole of lore this expansion was. Glad to see the back of it. Nothing here felt earned. I mea. Look at the retaking of gilneas... perfect example of why current blizzard is shit and play to much modern day dnd. The retaking took 10 minutes and the whole thing was JUST FOR A SHIT SENTIMENTAL CUTSCENE. That took as long as the quest to retake the damn city. Simply disappointing. Can't wait for proper direction to return, whether metzens style is liked or not. It was never as bad as this expansion. This one makes the last 2 look good by comparison ffs.
Nah. Fuck that. They don't get to throw some sappy shit at our feet now and make it all better. It isn't just that they pimped out the night elves PURELY for their tragedy since Cataclysm, it's that they made them a joke from the beginning. From their leaders to their heroes, they made them all completely impotent and we all just constantly sat back and watched the Horde destroy all their shit. Even when Tyrande was the avatar of Elune, she did almost literally nothing. Could barely take on Nathanos. Couldn't do shit to Sylvanus. This tripe ain't a happy ending. From the very beginning, Blizzard has used the night elf aesthetic whenever possible because it's one of the few iconic styles they have but treated the race itself like totally, disposable garbage that exists only to make the Horde look scary. But Tyrande and Malfurion finally get some time to fuck, right? I mean, nevermind it's while the same undead that burned Teldrassil are running around their home collecting Kaldorei transmogs. Awesome. 10/10 Meanwhile all Sylvanus gets is a fucking time out lmao Blizzard is trash
Its a mistake to bring tyrandas husband back. Because as long as he is alive, tyranda wont become who she needs to be, meaning the night elfs wont become who they need to be. Because tyranda is leaning on her husband as a crutch. And as long as he is alive that and only that will tyranda care about. And that will hurt the night elfs. But i agree with Tyranda and graymane handing over leadership to the new generation. Its bin needed for a VERRY long time.
It seems like you've got some sort of personal issues that you're projecting onto these fictional characters. I hope you resolve them and come to a fuller understanding of yourself.
You have no clue about Tyrande's and Malfurion's lore. For 10 000 years, despite being a true couple, they only met intermittently. Malfurion took on the responsibility of the Emerald Dream and all the "time away from home" that requires (centuries at a time!), and Tyrande put everything into leading her people forward into a brighter future despite being cut off from her loved one. She's allowed to be happy to see him and let the emotions out when she can, god damn it! lol
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I've said this before, but the Incarnates mirror the Elemental Lords heavily to a degree. The 2 Incarnates we were truly against were Fyrakk and Raszageth. Fire and Air (if you associate Storm with Wind). And the 2 Lords we fought and killed in the Cataclysm are Ragnaros and Ala'kir. Fire and Air again. If Vyranoth is Water/Ice then just like Neptulon, she was destined to help us players. And Iridikron and Therazane, both of earth, just want to work alone. Albeit Therazane helps us while Iridikron is forever against us. The parallels are scary close.
Never realized the connection with Cataclysm, holy hell
Iridikron could be with us in time.
I will say though. I do believe that cinematic where Malfurion and Tyrande kiss is indeed the first time we see such a display of affection in the game in general from any couple in warcraft.
We all know what they're gearing up for there i think...
Between Baldurs Gate 3's sex pestering and the polyamorous throuple questline in DF, I think we're approaching a bit too much "sex positivity" in gaming. A weird kind: where you can't have women in scant clothes, but you can have the strangest most deviant behaviors positively depicted.
If we must have couples kissing and modern furry fetish stuff, can we at least have the Gen X power fantasy TOO? Like... both? Not one instead of?
I guess I'm still just in the bargaining phase, but Metzen is my last hope.
@OrchinX just letting you know that as a twenty somthing, I've met many poly couples/people in a poly relationship offline just living in a city (I met all these people in contexts that were not inherently sexual btw). Not really what i would call degenerate.
@@OrchinXwhat exactly is sexual about polyamory and anthropomorphic humanoid fictional races?
This is the only time a couple has kissed in-game.
I think they're just finally comfortable having characters physically interact in in-game model cutscenes, which would be way harder to animate in a natural way before the new style they adopted in Shadowlands. I realized this when I saw the first hugs between Ysera and Merithra, and Malfurion and Tyrande, earlier in the expansion. I don't think kisses have been that rare in novels and comics..?
Tyrande and Malfurion.. the masters of bailing on the Nightelves to go be with each other when it comes time to actually lead. Hopefully Shandris and Maiev will be far more interesting leaders for this future though. One can hope.
That reunion scene was so intensely sweet.... it actually felt like something.
Tyrande's suffering is over. Finally
Give Blizzard 30 seconds and they'll screw her over again.
That pose looks just so goofy at that moment. 😂
Also love how I stood in the exact same position as you when doing the Kalec stay a while & listen, then had to move to the same position again because the rude blue walked right through me lol
19:10 I knew I recognized this music! That's from the ancient ruins of Zin-Azshari from BFA. Excellent choice on their part.
I guess Sebalion gonna stay on the isle and be watching as the black flight grows in peace.
He’ll be a great stay at home dad!
That Alextraza speech at the end was Blizz message to the fans
great kiss, like props to the animators. It's super hard.
I love Ebyssian's new model and that Vyranoth kept her protodrake form after getting her powers.
Ye thats also the big difference between Azeroth granting some of her powers to them and the Primal Drakes getting their super duper Elemental ascension/Primal Drakes getting their order roids from Tyr.
They just didn't want to design an alternative dragon form. It was cheaper to keep the old model.
My night elf characters are chilling in Bel'ameth for now. My Dalaran mage- Celestari- is helping Kalecgos search for information about the Darkheart, while my human warrior- Eriza Redshield- joins Thrall and Jaina in search for Anduin. My blood elf paladin and rogue couple- Althran Stormstrider and Namith Dawnblade- go on a vacation.
As a nelf gamer i feel like the wow devs finally did something right by us, malfurion finally fucking back, tyrande confirming the nelves will continue to defend kalimdor and teasing returning to teldrassil, just awesome. im so happy
Finally? The entire story line of almost every expansion is focused around night elf lore.
@@biglew421 I know it looks that way but don’t mistake content for favouritism, we’ve had lots of lore sure, but shit lore that fucks us over every chance it gets and fundamentally misunderstands who the kaldorei are
@@JaxKangaroo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Mate, compared to the trolls, you're literary Blizzard's goldenboys.
I can count up to around twenty fat victories the Elves (counting you're mutated cousins as well) have had throughout the lore. You know how many the trolls has had? The Aqir-war. That's it. It's just been down-fucking-hill for the trolls since then. Zul'Farrak is just a wasteland now, Zul'Drak is mostly just gone at this point, Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman has taken so many beatings the past thirty years that it's just proof of the trolls' resilience that they are still around today (though weakened to a shameful degree), and Zandalar has become a shitty little island with only one third of the damn place being somewhat inhabitable, with the other two being a giant desert that is used as a death sentence and a rotting swamp that contemplates that usage just as much.
The only trolls who's gotten at least some wins are the Darkspear, and they are probably the most underused Horde faction in the game (if you don't count the Horde-pandaren), especially if you compare them to the orcs, blood elves or Forsaken.
Also, what misunderstandings are there about the kaldorei? You're a bunch of tree-hugging, mutated, arrogant asshats who blew up the planet and thinks you're the eternal victims of the lore, even though you've caused all of the problems you've faced since the shattering. You're literary just better-looking Draenai, that is to say arrogant asshats who's caused most of the problems in the WC-universe.
Yes, he's back, ready to be put off camera again.
The good thing is he's taking Tyrande with him, she's been an annoying character lately.
I like how with these bits they didn't muck about with "could it be, we aren't sure", cliffhanger nonsense. The SECOND that Shandris gasped, you KNEW DAMN WELL who she'd spotted :D
Certianly does feel like Horde/Alliance is now old news, the next three expansions look bigger than tribal warfare, cities are starting to be joint sanctuaries, a good chunk of the old characters are "resting", feels like Wow2 will be at the end of all this. Can't wait!
Valtrois would be a nice candidate as Kirintor counciler
It was nice of Sargeras to leave your Titan a huge powerful Titan sword to fight the void lords in 3 expansions.
Never considered that! Would be pretty great to see, perhaps void expansion will be about their return, and the last titan about the races helping reforge the sword into a weapon for azaorth (Whoever/whatever she is) to beat them. That would lead nicely into a 'fresh' start for the next saga, something blizzard clearly want.
i think its neat if you do a lil exploring youll find that Rell Nightwind survived pandaria sporting a new scar
Wait, really? Where in Bel'ameth is he?
@@philippeblais8594 is in the lodge on the north side of the island, walk in and hes to the left... he doesnt say anything atm :/
ah the fella where you can get the Glaive from the secret thingy@@sylermran
i love that Greymane and Shaw keeping it low from Turaldumb
Actually got goosebumps from the Iridikron and Vyranoth cinematic
Tyrande was happier to see him now than the other time when they hadn't seen each other for 1000 years
death has a way of doing that to a person.
Exactly, doesn't show continuity, another L for Blizzard. Tyrande was more sad when Malfurion was having trouble waking up due to Fandral's meddling for years.
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 Ahh yes because they should just keep the game like it was many years ago and not user better tech to make character appear more expressive... you make so much sense.
@@snazzydrew You do realize they can do a hug in Cata right? Not this cringe ass romcom kiss hug spin from Wattpad.
Ahhhh... never happy are you?
I missed some of those "stay a while and listen"s, thanks!
If anyone deserves a happy ending it’s Tyrande & Malfurion. For 10,000 years they out their responsibilities to their people and their world before themselves. Forced to exist in separate planes of existence most of that time. Havjng their people loose their homeland 3 times. And only ever being able to be together when times were bad and druids could be awakened. And their love never faltered or faded in all of that. They deserve a happy ending and Shandris is the only choice to replace them.
I have a hottake after exploring Bel'ameth. I think it'll be the a new night elf starting zone in the future. Its placed right next to dragonflight (Which will become 10-60) and it has everything a starting zone needs. Lots of space, all the trainers, etc.
I didn't expect the night elves to be loving to each other, but they are loyal to each other (some of them)
I just love how the night elf epilouge is: we are SO done with all of this, you take the job our daughter. We are 2 legendary magic warrirors each the lvl of a raid boss, but you got this. Now go as we have some repopulation to deal with.
The hugging technology has evolved into kissing and group hugs😂😂😂
I love that Genn is an actual old guy.
Not with that face lift.
@@apacalypsagon3758 lol, exactly. They're finally acknowledging how old he really is, yet at the same time they made his face YOUNGER.
The Bel'amath reunion cutscene: IM NOT CRYING YOUR CRYING :(
I also notice that Vyranoth still looks like a primal dragon, so this is a blessing she is okay with
Damnit! I am a sucker for a good reunion scene like Malfurion and Tyrande's.
I will say about Iridikron being team void. I disagree. I feel he is not sided with void but rather just allied with it due to having a common enemy. It's likely that Iridikron is using the Harbinger as part of his plan to destroy the titans. And likewise the Harbinger using Iridikron as part of her plan.
I don't think Xal'atath is fully aligned with the Void. To be fair I don't think the cosmological forces identify factions.
It's rather about the nature of the beings, more than about their goals and team membership.
Not all the Titans are aligned, the same goes for elementals, and may be also about the Void (the Voidwalker?).
Malfurion looks like Django from the movie, ''Hey there little troublemaker''
someone told me that Vyranoth had a baldspot on her head and now i cannot unsee it.
they really should put some spikes on the center of her Head as well.
Furion is back brooo FURION IS BAAACK!
Bit late to this but just catching up on lore bits now, but does Jarod do anything in the night elf story? Always dissapppinted he never really gets to do anything despite being like one of the night elves major heroes, he just kinda hangs out at the side of anything he happens to be a part of.
The story from Shadowlands to Dragonflight was at the hand of a idiot who hated them and knew nothing about them what you expect from them? To write a good story?
Vyranoth is the Aspect of the Cold Shoulder. Let's be real right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the first time Shandris has actually refered to Malfurion as Father? We know she's always seen him as a father, and they did adopt her as their daughter, but I don't recall her ever actually calling him Father before. Speaking of, this might be the first time we've seen the two of them interact directly.
I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me.
I don't know about the novels, but in-game for sure, yeah.
Shadeau (cant spell it) is what she calls him.
@@R0m0n3 - You mean shan'do, "teacher"? That's an honorific for archdruids. In this quest she does say "father".
Malf gonna plant his world tree into Tyrande and cool her night warrior's fury.
Let me say something really machist: that medicine should have been taken long ago.
Blizzard Entertainment. If you don’t let Malfurion cook in the future, I swear to god.
we need more like terror of darkshore
We will be seeing more of the Dragon Aspects in the Worldsoul Saga.
Thank god Malf is back
Just to take some time off
Pssst there is a Feathermoon stronghold portal close to the bay!
But why..? Did they put up portals to other night elf settlements too?
They have Valsharah, Hyjal and Darkshore ports in Bel'ameth, but after I did the quest and realized Shandris is the new faction leader, I had a theory that Feathermoon Stronghold might be taking some precedence in TWW. So while I was exploring, I found the portal by one of the buildings on my way to the new docks in Bel'ameth.@@mokarokas-1727
Were dragonflights in Legion? Did they ever fight against an old god (other than black prince)?
Kalecgos played a rol in legion if that counts?
They've fought old gods couple of times, mostly indirectly. Think the best example is C'thun in Ahn'Qiraj. To get that wall up around him, several dragons sacrificed themselves. We'd save m millenia later in classic
@@Nobbel87 They suck at their job as guardians. Since WOTA it seems like they only get involved if the threats include another dragon, and the world soul re-empowered these scaled goobers to defend the planet
It's about damn time Tyrande got her husband back, stop splitting these two up Blizzard
18:33 Yesss I always wanted them to rebuild on Teldrasill. It just makes sense and it’s a great way for them to “revamp” Teldrasill.
Love the Lore
If he plays with the Void, I wish Iridikron proved himself more than just its plaything in the end. Any Old God, Void Lord or whatever rules the Void would believe that they control the dragon, like they manipulated Deathwing before... only to realise their mistake far too late and pay a very terrible price for underestimating Iridikron, who is not going repeat Neltharion's mistake.
very nice!
Vyranoth is the aspect of coming together as family 💀
What us Vyranoth's aspectral color? white? silver? cyan?
Rainbow, cause chromatic is allready tied to the baddies
These last expansions have been quite on the nose with a general feel. Passing of the torch.
Even though changes of leadership has been an aspect featured in the past constantly, these had always been presented through either urgency requiring the leader to be away because of a great danger or through a dramatic death that made our hearts grief.
I think it's somewhat beautiful that we are lately seeing things like with Genn and Tess or Tyrande and Shandris where the parents are being proud to pass on leadership to their child, these having taken the lessons they could from them and even more lessons from their surrounding allies and friends.
It's special. It feels special. No lord admiral's wife needing to be rekindled with family, no unprepared warchief having to take over leadership because the right heir for the post (never forgotten, Dranosh Saurfang) died, no last stand for a Warrior king trying to save their friends against the legion nor a dying Shadowhunter being manipulated behind the scenes.
Just a parent proud of the lessons learnt by their descendant.
Gotta say the thumbnail is noice 😅
Danuser's Baby, written by babies for babies 👶
what if it's the only timeline in which the titans won?
Wait, shandris is furion and tyrande's daughter?? Since when??
War of the Ancients!
Will Malfurion and Tyrande will have their own child? They are having their own lovely dovey time after all
I haven't gotten the impression that they actually want children.
all & all, shandris is kinda their adopted daughter.
genji and symmetra looks so good!
Really hate how every story ends, a very very long speech of how hard it was to get there, a new character ranking up, and you becoming champion for like the 100th time, they need to change these endings..
war within story ending be like "oh cool you did some good things, although it was like i dunno, a hill or something but that doesnt matter anymore, you're the Champion of the Earthen now, so go and have a well earned break, you deserve it!
I like aspect of storms, but I think aspect of entropy is not only more accurate to what her story means but is a cool as fuck name too! Cheers noble
I have a theory after seeing the dragons being aspekts again, Elune while being the moon is actually part of the earth. Like with our real earth and moon who were once one and separated in a great explosion. (maybe the titan was the reason for the explosion or the old gods). She is separated from the earth but still connected to it. She is the mother of life (at least the kaldorai and ysera and I doubt it just them). The dragons got their blessing from azeroth when Amirdrassil took roots in azeroth and the seed was born from Elune/Tyrandes tear.
Velen and the Draenei should take their now functional spaceship to the moon and find out.
the titans preserve this timeline because it's the one where they gain control of azeroth. ez.
I mean sure, but by making shandris the defacto leader then thats basically once again changing the night elf societal culture. In the past it was nobles and mages leading the society. In current wow it was druid and priestesses leading the society. Yes shandris does have some priestess training and a strong ability giveb by Elune, however she never referred to herself as a priestess. So that means now they wont have a high priestess leading the society anymore, but i guess it would be more like how during war of ancients the defenders dependedvon the nobility of ravenguard and his warriors to lead for awhile until making jarod shadowsong the main leader.
I have no real issue of them doing this, but they need to do more to show these changes in game.
Am I the only who doesn’t like that we killed Raszageth? She wasn’t wrong, and after the World Soul Saga announcement I do not trust the titans (I never did tbh they were responsible for a lot misery throughout the cosmos). Raszageth is not like Fyrakk (a short-fused lunatic since the very beginning) or Iridikron, she is a lot like Vyranoth.
We killed Razageth but the idea that the Titans cannot be trusted anymore still lingers to many Azerothians now.
Raszageth was a martyr that rallied the anti-Titan movement that we're in the midst of. Her death was the catalyst for the release of the rest of the Incarnates, so without it, her message seemed to come out of personal spite versus genuine concern over the well-being of her kind and Azeroth as a whole.
@@Biffbifflin Raszageth was wrong both in his aim and in his means.
What did the titans do wrong to you?
How she was thinking to upset the status quo?
Did you feel so bad living in Azeroth so far under the so called "Titans' heel?
Tell me, did you enjoyed Nzoth visions? That's the alternative.
So what does vyranoth do?All the other aspects had important responsibilities. I guess vyranoth's is making sure one accumaloid nimbus gets from one place to the next. Kinda of a dick move.
The Titans gave the Aspects their responsibilities. Vyranoth does whatever she wants, and what she wants is to make sure dragons have liberty. She outright states that, and says her title is just a bunch of references.
@@mokarokas-1727 yes, because dragons have been enslaved (excluding dragonmaw clan, bu that was for like 2 years over thousands of years) recently...
Hence why the came up with the StormDrakes questline where she encouraged them go beeak their oath of honor to Odyn for no reason whatsoever.
Good writing indeed.
@@francescoporcari8597 - Proto-drakes sure have been, which hits close to home for her. The Netherwing were too. And she did view dragons as slaves to the titans (keep in mind they magically conditioned dragons/eggs to be subservient to them).
There is no "oath of honor" if you're BORN into servitude. That's slavery. There was a similar situation with the drakonid earlier in the expansion. To immortal beings like Alexstrasza and Odyn it often doesn't really cross their minds that these are individuals with their own wants, and that new individuals are born all the time; they were just faceless servants.
@@mokarokas-1727 well, it's being a while since the kidnapping and forced arcane infusion of protodrakes eggs (more than 10.000 years).
Regarding netherwings, it was Neltharion's fault, against other Dragon Aspect will, to cause their mutation by travelling to Draenor.
And we already freed them in TBC!
It's not like Odyn has been so active until recently (he was stucked in Halls of Valor), and with him imprisoned nothing coukd have stopped the "enslaved" protodrakes from flying away.
Still they remain loyal.
And Thrymjaris literally said that - though Odyn forbade them to leave his service - less honourable drakes have already broken ties and left, implying he has done nothing to stop them.
The fact that she see the Dragons as slaves to the titans doesn't make it any truer since the Dragons has done literally whatever they wanted without the Keepers doing anything.
Neltharion literally turned to the dark side without consequences!
The slavery is just in her head, and in the head of all the people who're buying the anti titans speculations.
The whole faceless servants perspective is your own head canon.
@@francescoporcari8597 - It doesn't really matter if it's been a while, if the effects remain.
Ye...yeah? So? Should Vyranoth NOT want to give the Netherwing a better life, because their transformation and slavery were Deathwing's and Illidan's fault? lolwut? Outland sucks for safety and prosperity, and they didn't exactly choose to settle there.
I'm not sure what you mean with Odyn and proto-drakes. Are you talking about storm drakes? I'm not.
You'll have to take that Keeper-empowered dragon discussion up with Vyranoth, I'm just explaining her reasoning.
If Alexstrasza herself acknowledges it in-game, it's not my head canon. You're really trying to talk down my arguments without having a reason to.
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The story has gotten so complicated and so warped that I just cant keep up. I like to come back now and then to see the new expansion but it immediately overwhelms me with systems and WoW NEEDS to go back to its roots lest they just make games for people who don't care about this universe and they just make money - and saying that I realize that money is king and they will go where they can get it. HOPING the next expansion reigns all this in and we go back to what made WoW good - besides chasing a million mounts, token, badges, medals .... urgh just come BACK wow.
It's gotten mellow dramatic like a day time soap.
If any race deserves a break it’s the night elves. Too bad the tree is literally beyond suspect and definitely won’t be some sort of problem we need to address at all whatsoever. It’s literally a circle of stars.
Then again, the actual Circle of Stars is confirmed to be at the bottom of queen Azshara's palace. Aaaaand then again, all those interesting whispers are confirmed to not necessarily mean anything. Just like the Jailer wasn't talking about anything in particular when he said "a cosmos divided will not survive what is to come". Hard to say what will happen with Metzen back in the writing room, but for years now most of the story has been out of left field and most things that COULD create coherence has purposefully been kept vague. Because they're so afraid of "closing doors", they sacrifice any and all catharsis in the story.
I have such an irrational dislike for Tyrrande. I don't even know why.
They really retired Malfurion
Yeah ... to honor your sister by standing with her murderers.
The once trying to stop you from being releasad at all buut your brother got "to evil" sooo all good yeah ? xD
A person you can truly trust, right?
Not like she's prone to swap side as something don't fit her agenda / ideas
That's why Vyranoth side-swap was ridiculous.
Btw, Raszageth and Fyrakk were two assholes, both in their aims and goals and tehy deserved to die.
If all you want is revenge at all cost, you either cam down or become the villain.
I’m pretty angry against Azeroth tbh… who’s defeated Fyrakk and saved the tree? 🤔 us. And who Azeroth blessed? The dragons… why?
It''s hard not to get defensive about how they keep on changing the old guard to the "new generation" with all the granduer of a wet fart. It never really feels earned.
Yep, it feels forced. Malfurion and Tyrande still best represent the Night Elves and Shandris was already general of the army. I feels dumb for Tyrande and Malfurion to just quit like this and pass all responsibilities to Shandris, they are not even biologically old and are extremely well fit to continue to rule. Almost the same thing with Genn and Tess but even more dumb as Tess doesn't seam to be very fit to rule or willing. Blizzard needs to understand that the mere passing of time doesn't automatically mean the passing of torch. The old leaders should remain in their positions indefinitely or (if you really want to change them) until something happens that actually make sense for them to leave for something else, but I guess this is better than stupid deaths justifications because no good characters are irrevocably wasted this way.
Let s hope elves are back. The took l after l. Eaven if i dislike elves i don t like how weak the seemed
I am honestly getting a little frustrated with stories, where they choose to portray a villain as cool, collected, and intelligent, and then they make the decision of allying with something that wants them dead, as if the pitiless and apathetic hunger of the void, isn't going to also swallow them whole. He allies with the Void because he trusts its hunger to exterminate the Titans, but he should also know, without a shadow of a doubt, just what the Void actually wants. And if he can't wipe out the titans themselves on his own, what in the blazes makes him think he can stand against the Void?
I would believe that Fyrakk would lack the intelligence and foresight necessary, to make such a stupid bargain. But Iridikron has been made out to be a very intelligent character. Intelligent enough that he should know that allying with the all-consuming, reality-destroying force that is the Void, is a plain *stupid* idea.
It kind of leaves me with the only conclusion being, that the writers don't really understand it themselves. Which just leaves me with the question of, when and how Iridikron is gonna realise that he picked a whole field's worth of oopsie-daisies. Because it's going to happen. He will be betrayed, corrupted, or killed by players before anything happens, and my money isn't on the third option.
Perhaps there is the fourth option, of him already being corrupted and controlled, and that is why he's doing this in the first place. It's the only way his actions would make sense, even though that's a story thread they have used several times in the past, and it's getting a little old.
I don't know, I get the impression that Iridikron might be one of the first characters who takes advantage of the void rather than becomes consumed by it. His choice of words-"I trust its hunger"-read to me as if he is just directing the primal forces of the void to a larger threat. I don't believe he sees the void as allies, but rather "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of situation. Xal'atath obviously is going the be the bigger villain in the grand scheme of things, or at least a Gul'dan-type figure who brings forth the "big bad" of the void, wheres Iridikron is kind of an Illidan-type character-just replace Sargeras with the greater Titan Pantheon.
@@Biffbifflin But that is exactly the issue. The Void is not something you can direct, let alone control. It is one of the two fundamental forces of that entirety reality. It is not an entity you can reason with, or make bargains with. He might be able to unleash it upon Azeroth to "cleanse it of the Titans' influence", but there's no way to control when it stops. It's The Void. It's ONLY goal is to consume and corrupt. And one of the things it WANTS to consume and corrupt, is Azeroth.
This is why I made that comment about the writers, because they are making him out to be someone who "takes advantage of the void", but it's like someone taking advantage of a tidal wave. You can set up a little wall of sandbags to direct it towards your annoying neighbour all you want, but it's a tidal wave that's not going to be stopped by a mere few hundred pounds of sand. It will just wash over your house as well, destroying everything. If he really thinks he can direct, let alone control the void, then he is an idiot. The Void isn't going to just stop once the Titans' influence is gone. It's going to consume until Azeroth is completely theirs, which is antithesis to his goal. He wants Azeroth to be "pure", free of outside influences. Unleashing the Void upon it, is the single most self-defeating thing he can do to achieve that goal.
If they make it out to him being corrupted, then his actions make sense as they serve the ultimate goals of the Void itself, but that has been done several times before and I don't think that will be very interesting, which makes me somewhat doubt that as being the "truth".
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Of all the forces that inhabit the world of warcraft, Order via the Titans seems to the strongest. Even their opposite force, fel, is ultimately led by a titan. While the old gods and the void as a whole are strong, they are not stronger than the titans. Perhaps Iridikron seeks to strengthen the void, so it may have a bigger fighting chance against order?
He may not control the tidal waves, or even stand up to them, but the tidal waves are very predictable. Maybe he seeks to destroy the tide walls the Titans erected on Azeroth to weaken them for his plans on the inland?
@@Biffbifflin like Gul'dan (AU) was little more than a plot device.
Iridikron looks calm and collected, scheming and with the deep voice.
But it's going to end like AU Gul'dan, the last boss of the first raid tier.
I really hope wrathiob doesn’t turn out to be evil. I hated him until this expansion. Now he’s a favorite character of mine. Loved his story
It's like Blizzard is allergic to making cinematics or story lines that aren't super family-friendly or sappy. It's getting old.
Totally agree. Even with the "dark" themes of shadowlands, the stories were common core playschool knockoffs of dealing with ACTUAL darkness or trauma. How dark or traumatic is anything when every character is an avengers superhero who can self resurrect or teleport anywhere at any time?
It's felt like I've been watching Octonauts with a wow paint job. I get that the current devs want a 30 hour work week and safe spaces (behavior contract), but I want a good game with a balanced and compelling narrative. The sappy stuff only feels earned with the dramatic tension created by an actual conflict with actual characters we actually care about.
Take for example one of the only new characters from the legacy races in DF: Toddy Whiskers.
A shaved-side-of-the-head "female" dwarf with blue hair and a steampunk english accent. What in God's name is this? The only thing she's missing is a spork and a dr who bowtie.
THIS is all they can cook?
@@OrchinX I don't know which is more embarrassing honestly - blizzard for allowing a bunch of blue hairs to hijack the franchise or the players that actually defend it and think it's a good direction for the game even though it's forcing basically everyone but them to quit. I don't have much hope left.
@@OrchinX It started out good with you commenting on the writing and how it needs to get better again, but you ended on the note of a female dwarf with blue hair being the problem..? Honestly, a down-to-earth tough old broad is exactly what I liked to see after all the generic supermodel "strong women" that are always on the verge of tears in cutscenes.
@@mokarokas-1727The problem with a character like “Toddy Whiskers” is that she’s ethnographically and culturally incoherent in a meta sense.
Blue hair is not a natural hair color for dwarves, English accents have been transliterated to the Gilneans, dwarves native tongue has been transliterated to a more Scottish accent.
Why does she have blue hair and an English accent? Because the devs do, and they admire that sort of thing. It’s the kind of thing that’s just the real-life values of the authors written into the work wholecloth, without using any literary devices or clever lampshading.
The night elves, for example, have blue and purple hair, and are even matriarchal. Why doesn’t this bother the traditional fantasy gamer? Because it is coherent to the narrative. Their hair is naturally that color, and their magical physiology means that dynamic is believable.
What do we think with “Toddy?” Would a no-nonsense “tough old broad” dwarf be vain enough to… dye their hair? Why? Do the barber shops now sell hair dye? Was there years of world building behind this character who stands out from other dwarves like a sore thumb?
@@OrchinX - I hear that, but with such a minor character I don't really care. She was a small breath of fresh air, nothing more. Would you really care about the hair, if let's say her accent was "correct"? Because you seem awfully focused on the hair, which is probably the easiest thing to change about your body aside from clothing.
Yes, tough old broads can (and often do!) dye their hair. There's no "vanity" in that. And yes, barbershops in Azeroth have been changing hair colors since day 1. lol
In short, I think you see some kind of insertion issue where there really isn't one. Just a shame about the accent then.
TBH, it was kind of a disappointing end to the expansion, but that seems to be a reoccurring theme with WoW.
All of this epilogue material feels so hollow after the nothing narrative that was Dragonflight. What even happened? Like 4 things covered in 4 different questlines?
Was anything actually at stake this whole time? I guess the new world tree? But what happens if that dies? I guess nothing?
The narrative has been 100% milk and honey ever since they destroyed Sylvanas' character, and at this point I'm starting to get sick of it.
Even the undead are now just normal humans with a quirky paintjob. Every race and faction acts exactly like a nice fella from sacramento.
Every good character is right and good about everything, and every bad character is wrong and bad about everything.
Remember the nuance of the old Thrall slave stuff? Or the more morally grey balanced handling of the Orc refugees from Draenor in original warcraft?
WoW now has the moral, philosophical, and thematic depth of a cartoon.
These little character interactions would be charming if they came after a thrilling story of ups and downs, but what we had was a story written by people who take pills to chemically disable the "down" circuitry of their brain.
I understand this sentiment, and I do agree that Dragonflight as a whole has been very cheerful and optimistic in its story. However, I get the feeling that the next three expansions in this World Soul Saga are going to take us back to a grittier story with greater stakes, hopefully reminiscent of Legion and the grand-scale feeling that permeated that expansion.
@@Biffbifflin yet we had this same speech before shadowlands. People thought we was getting something serious and... We got the shallowest villan ever; they pulled out the fact the whole lore was behind the Jailor for give him some character development... But at the end he was just a husk of dust.
Sadly i don't believe in "Metzen the savior" til i see it... But allready try to sell to the fans a 4 or 6 years of WoW looks sketchy to me
I'm hoping Malfurion and Tyrande have a baby, they deserve a child after everything they've gone through.
I haven't gotten the impression that they actually want children, though. And either way, a child is a responsibility you need to dedicate yourself to - not a reward. lol
This game is so bad…. Its like they are the disney of mmo’s these story lines are cringe af.
We can safely forget about this garbage. What a blackhole of lore this expansion was. Glad to see the back of it. Nothing here felt earned. I mea. Look at the retaking of gilneas... perfect example of why current blizzard is shit and play to much modern day dnd. The retaking took 10 minutes and the whole thing was JUST FOR A SHIT SENTIMENTAL CUTSCENE. That took as long as the quest to retake the damn city. Simply disappointing. Can't wait for proper direction to return, whether metzens style is liked or not. It was never as bad as this expansion. This one makes the last 2 look good by comparison ffs.
The wrathgate event was tenfold better!
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Even with nobbel explaining all the lore and everything it still sucks
All the night elf players are so happy….until Tyrande and Malfurion die in Midnight. Hehehe.
I ship Kalec and Khadgar
Nah. Fuck that. They don't get to throw some sappy shit at our feet now and make it all better. It isn't just that they pimped out the night elves PURELY for their tragedy since Cataclysm, it's that they made them a joke from the beginning. From their leaders to their heroes, they made them all completely impotent and we all just constantly sat back and watched the Horde destroy all their shit. Even when Tyrande was the avatar of Elune, she did almost literally nothing. Could barely take on Nathanos. Couldn't do shit to Sylvanus. This tripe ain't a happy ending. From the very beginning, Blizzard has used the night elf aesthetic whenever possible because it's one of the few iconic styles they have but treated the race itself like totally, disposable garbage that exists only to make the Horde look scary. But Tyrande and Malfurion finally get some time to fuck, right? I mean, nevermind it's while the same undead that burned Teldrassil are running around their home collecting Kaldorei transmogs. Awesome. 10/10 Meanwhile all Sylvanus gets is a fucking time out lmao Blizzard is trash
It’s Sylvanas
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What language is this?????
Its a mistake to bring tyrandas husband back. Because as long as he is alive, tyranda wont become who she needs to be, meaning the night elfs wont become who they need to be. Because tyranda is leaning on her husband as a crutch. And as long as he is alive that and only that will tyranda care about. And that will hurt the night elfs. But i agree with Tyranda and graymane handing over leadership to the new generation. Its bin needed for a VERRY long time.
It seems like you've got some sort of personal issues that you're projecting onto these fictional characters.
I hope you resolve them and come to a fuller understanding of yourself.
You have no clue about Tyrande's and Malfurion's lore. For 10 000 years, despite being a true couple, they only met intermittently. Malfurion took on the responsibility of the Emerald Dream and all the "time away from home" that requires (centuries at a time!), and Tyrande put everything into leading her people forward into a brighter future despite being cut off from her loved one. She's allowed to be happy to see him and let the emotions out when she can, god damn it! lol
That Alextraza speech at the end was Blizz message to the fans