Mysteries From The Tree of life: with Tim Mackie
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Mysteries From The Tree of life: with Tim Mackie
Today we have the legendary Tim Mackie with us from the bible project. Tim is with us to discuss the "Tree of Life". Is this some kind of magical "fountain of youth" in biblical literature or is this somehow a symbol pointing us to Christ. If it is a symbol don't we get into a slippery slope of allegorizing Genesis? Fortunately, Michael and I don't have to answer these questions, we will leave that for the good doctor ;) Hope you enjoy this discussion of the mysteries from the tree of life.
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3 TIMES!!!! I've now watched this episode 3 times. Little grenades exploding everywhere and I don't know what to do with it all. I teared up. I too wanted to worship. This may be the most profound episode to date.
I always have to listen and listen and listen to Tim Mackie. And then, finally, meditate.
I agree. The part about Abraham surrendering his moral judgement is profound.
Mind. Blown. Always love listening to you Tim!
Hey Joshua… your tshirt caught my eye…what’s your tie to FB of Lake Waccamaw?? I’m from there!
Ahh my best friend pastors the SBC church there.
That’s funny that you could read it lol
This maybe one of the best episodes you guys have had in a long time. They're all good, but this one was some anointed teaching for sure from Dr. Mackie.
I've had a thought. If the cross is presented as the new tree of life, then bear with me- Jesus is the fruit on the tree. So this brings a whole new meaning to communion- when we are eating and drinking the blood and body of Jesus, we are taking the fruit from the tree of life. Maybe that's a stretch but If true wow that's profound 😳
Wow!
Great thought! It’s amazing the way this story written by so many different authors connects in so many amazing ways from beginning to end.
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No the cross is a torture device. And just like war and murder your cult worships this garbage too
@@deeschoe1245 we don't worship torture my freind. Yes many people have mis used scripture to justify torture - we worship Jesus
Absolutely amazing!
Tim always challenges my heart to expand so that the Lord can fill it with a deeper fascination of who He is.
Hallelujah!
Dr. Tim Mackie is the best at making orthodox faith sound like some new found doctrine he just discovered. It’s always like woah that’s new wait no I’ve always believed that. It’s just so much deeper
You may have hit the nail on the head!
I feel like I’ve been born again, again!! This is one of the most beautiful descriptions of the gospel I’ve ever come to understand 😭 How can we not give ourselves over to this Love? ❤️🔥
Sometime you learn something and feel smarter for it. Other times the knowledge of God penetrates the soul and moves you to worship. This episode offers both. I am filled with awe and wonder. Jesus is worthy!
Love this comment, I felt it too : ]
Had to pause. Adams lifespan of 930 years. You guys commented on in the day he ate of it he didn't die because he lived for centuries. Psalm 90:42 Peter 3:8
1,000 years is a day with the Lord. From Adam to Noah all less than 1,000 years (1 day) cut off from the fruit of the tree of life.
Compare that to the lifespans recorded for the Sumerian king list.
I can’t believe Remnant Radio doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of subs considered the guests they have and the conversations. This was so interesting, thanks guys!
Awe. Thanks Louisa
I am sorry, but I cannot listen to this guy. I’ve been impressed with a lot of
Your guests, but I think Tim is twisting theology. Am I correct to say that Tim
says the fact that we are not immortal is a blessing? The bad things that humans do to one another was not so intended from the beginning. How can you have someone like Dr Michael Heiser on your show and agree with him (and I have to add that Dr Heiser proves his opinions from Scripture) and then have Prof Tim with his highly speculative views and also agree with him?
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Anyways… I’ve been watching the program (found this channel recently); been enjoying the content. Came across this episode with Tim Mackie and the mention of The Bible Project. From that searched for The Bible Project… then as you may know once you will see various videos and sometimes videos etc will show up “coming against “ a particular person… in genuine search to just know and potentially learn something… found some teaching(s) from Tim Mackie regarding Hell (not a real place). What have y’all found on this or has this even been looked into? Thoughts?
@@TheRemnantRadio I am so glad that Tim Mackie came on your show. I have listened to him speak on difficult theological matters
but he explained these in simple terms and showed how he came to his conclusions, by using Scripture, the original language and meaning
- and the pattern seen throughout the Bible. Some things may be new to us, but with study we can also understand them.
I love when he said that Hell is essentially about getting what we most desire - to have nothing to do with Christ - to live away from
the joyous presence of God. That is Hell!
Beautiful, and I love dr. Mackies' references to musical themes in symphonies. 🎼✞ I've never really understood how much biblical themes come together. Can't wait for dr. Keener's series - big fan.
So glad y'all are back. I would also like to say, we have many theological differences, but you make the show so amicable. It's so open and honest and truly lives up to the vision that you've spoken, to be a place for people of different backgrounds to come together and discuss these topics. Good work, and like I say, great work!
Great interview with one of my all time favorite Bible teachers. The Bible Project is so awesome- been following it for several years. Thanks for all your hard work to bring such high quality content and guests.
What about John 7:38 speaking of rivers of living water flowing from those who believe in Jesus and how that relates to The Tree being on "either" side of the River of Life in Revelation? That's some strong imagery.
So good guys! Made my heart just burst in song and praise to Jesus!
By far one of the most enlightening discussions on the tree of life and the vision on choice, surrendering. While discussing Sarah being a desirable as the fruit was, makes me think of how we are "trees of righteousness the planting of the Lord", we are made desirable when we are his, for his purposes. Good stuff, thanks.
Baffling and paradoxical ideas explained so well by Tim.
The Bible is amazing!
Praise God, so many things just opened up to me!! This is a blessings.
I’m super excited about your upcoming series on Mark. I am currently going verse by verse thru Mark on Mike Winger’s channel.
I love the Bible project. Still trying to wrap my head around some of the interpretations concerning Genesis, creation, garden, etc over the last couple years. William Lane Craig was the first person I heard interpret Garden, etc. not being literal. It seems Mackie holds feels they way, too. I’m not sure why he just won’t explicitly come out and say that.
I lean towards these accounts being literal, but Mackie makes some great points. Still, it seems like whenever people people use figurative lenses to interpret some part of Genesis, the connections made seem forced or so much onus is put on one word and that one word seems to force an entire interpretation/narrative that’s just not there or that seems like a stretch. This has definitely given me some things to think about. Good episode, nonetheless.
I think Tim makes a point of not being too dogmatic with his beliefs - he always mentions how he’s willing to hear other views and change his mind on these tertiary issues. But regarding the words, I think it’s more a stretch in English as opposed to the original Hebrew- all down to hermeneutic I guess
@@tomdonn6814 I just don’t think Tim is clear. I guess, for me, I’d rather him just explicitly state what he believes. I understand that English words will never be 100 percent match when it comes to conveying certain things. Still, I feel those who don’t hold a literal interpretation take one word and force a lot more into chunks of text. A trigger happiness, for lack of better word, occurs. It’s the same thing I see with preterist views of scripture and how it’s “figurative and apocalyptic” in the instances it comports with a persons view, but is not applied in other instances.
I still find it odd that Jesus uses a literal interpretation that seems to be glossed over by those who hold a figurative view.
Absolutely love this episode! Amazing teaching on the total surrender to the desire of God. Thank you, guys - greetings from Norway
Amen! Total surrender of the self soul to the Spirit of God. God IS a spirit and those who worship Him MUST worship Him in Spirit AND in Truth.
We need Tim back on for a few more episodes!
One of the fine details I have come to enjoy about Remnant Radio broadcasts is the way that Josh really pronounces the "H" in "Wh---" words. Reminds me of the scene from Hot Rod when they're talking about the code word "whiskey"
Yes, it's really cute, also how he says s+ consonant kinda like sh+consonant. I'm not a native English speaker, so all the variations are of great interest to me 😊
I've always been amused by the "H" pronunciation as well. I don't know where he's from but I'm going to take a good guess it's somewhere in the South lol.
Hahahaha! Favorite comment of all time!
Yeahhh idk how to stop it lol.
I have learned so much from Tim. I never realized how cool the Bible really is.
Always love listening to Tim. It seem that one could grant that death was “natural,” mankind having arisen from dust, but apart from the tree of life they would not maintain that life. The mere fact that Adam and Eve were separated from the tree of life does not mean the never ate of it. If the tree either provided sustenance for life or represented God’s special provision of it, then it makes sense that they were partaking of it, as all the trees were given as food, and being deprived of it would result in the loss of what it was providing. Its just a minor point, but seems more consistent with the narrative that God was already providing them life; what they did not yet have was the moral fortitude that comes from the maturity of testing.
(As a side point, Augustine says, that Adam and Eve were able to sin. Obedience while not “earning” them eternal life, was maintaining and advancing their holy character. The breach of this creation obedience obligation, was remedied in Jesus’ obedience, which is the restoration of the creation covenant. This is consistent with what has been called bi-covenantalism (the idea that Jesus’ obedience to God’s or moral authority is relevant to our salvation, Heb 10:9)).
I guess, the difference is that Tim sees the tree associated with immortal life, life 2.0, which is a different quality of life, while I’ve been inclined to see the tree of life as providing eternal life, it’s just that it was continuously provided, until they sinned. They were separated from the tree so that it would not continue to eat it and live in sin forever. What is unique in the life that Christ restores us to isn’t a different kind of eternal life, per se, but rather its mature permanence.
On the whole, the issue of natural death, it seems, impacts or has implication for at least two separate issues: conditional immortality, and biological evolution.
Great discussion. Very thought provoking and beautiful.
Doesn't Mackie deny the doctrine of hell and claims God didn't create hell?
I'll check
It is sad how short English falls compared to the Hebrew. That poetic language is amazing.
Bible gives symbolic meaning of trees. They are symbolic to leaders, or people. Tree of life is symbolic to Father. . And Bible is flooded with idea of good fruit and bad fruit. If Tree of life is God, its fruit is his word.
Tree of knowledge good and evil was a person, leader who had a knowledge about good and evil, in Father God's concile, the snake represents his spirit, I guess. Having fruit from that tree , means taking wrong teachings, letting wrong spirit to control us. To make decisions of our own. Knowledge that isn't coming from father.Doing so man and woman betrayed the one who was giving all the love and life. That's why God compares himself with husband.
If you remember the time she had the fruit, God wasn't in the garden. God was missing from her heart at the time. We have this marriage sistem for a reason, to learn to love and appreciate that one person who does so much for us..And lean also to give, which is true meaning of love.
I don't remember the verse, but it says you can recognize false prophet by their fruit. Of course!! Just an opinion. God says if we follow his way, we have to believe and accept Jesus, we will have eternal life. Adam and Eve were having fruit of life and they had eternal life untill they tried fruit of other tree. You can see that Jesus/Yeshua is the tree of life !! It's clear. There is so much debate about if we are saved once, can we loose our salvation or not. It's speaking about it in the beginning of the book. Yes we will loose salvation, if we take the fruit from the tree other than Jesus, we still will have chance for repenting and correcting and understanding our ways.
I know someone might not agree with me in this,
Fig tree represents person living with their own Knowledge, that's why they covered themselves in fig tree leaves.
I don’ get why repentance is necessary but baptism isn’t! Both are God’s condition of salvation! Acts 2:38, 22:16, 17:30-31, Roman’s 10:13-15
Shoutout to my friend Ryan at Kairos Classroom! Great dude. I may brush up on my Greek over there at some point, myself.
1:01:16 I find it so interesting that in the middle of the Garden Of Eden were two trees, The Tree Of Life and The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil and a river...and then here in Revelation you two trees and a river in the middle of this new Eden city...but this time they are both The Tree Of Life.
Two of one.
Also seems to be mirrored in the fact that you have God and The Lamb in the middle garden and a River beneath their throne. Two but one. Perhaps the river is God's Spirit of Life flowing out into all creation in both accounts?
Thinking even further I'm curious of how in the original garden you have two Trees to choose from but one leads to death and one to life but in the new garden you have two trees to choose from but both lead to life.
It makes me contemplate thoughts about how there being a new heaven and earth where we still have free will but the choices we pursue will all lead to life and wholeness because of a renewed mind and a glorified body through Christ.
I also wonder if in that world we will look back at the horrors of the previous world and the pollution sin caused as a memorial in time and space to perpetually remind us of what creation looks like under the rule of humans who've eaten from the Tree of Knowledge.
I'd love to hear the thoughts of people like Tim Mackie on these things like this. I find it sooo interesting. Maybe I'm just overthinking the concepts. lol
I love the Bible project
How do you reconcile this view of Genesis 2/3 with the punishments inflicted on Adam/Eve/Serpent. These punishments suggest a fundamental change to state of being beyond a missed opportunity.
WOW, what glorious connections, God thought of EVERYTHING as He knit His word together!
I don't buy that they never ate from it as it's a one time deal. Otherwise, had they eaten from it first and THEN disobeyed you'd have a conundrum. It makes more sense to be a sustaining life as its nutrients prevent sickness and aging.
Yeah, while I think Tim does have some good insights, I do struggle to agree with his views on that bit.
So much good stuff in here.
I always get a bad vibe from Mackie. I always try to give him a pass. But I’m not down with the story of creation and Adam & Eve being a metaphor. Also noticed a long time ago he avoids Gods wrath like the plague…pun intended. Then his view on Hell…it’s just all pretty bad
Tim Mackie and his ministry has impacted my physical life and covenantal life more than any other ministry. May God bless him and his family!
Loved. Loved. Loved This..
I had a thought while listening: Jesus on the cross representing the tree of Life and the law representing the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? What do you guys think?
Same here
Thanks for reminding me I need to pray : NOT MY WILL (MY DESIRE), BUT YOUR WILL (YOUR DESIRE) FATHER!
What I think is interesting on the "Day you will die"... In 2 Pet 3 says a day to the Lord is a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day... I found in research is NO ONE lived past 1000 after Adam and Eve sinned.. Methuselah lived to 969.. Not past 1000.. I just found that interesting.. God didn't mean that moment? Maybe he meant that a human wouldn't live past that day of "God".. 1000? :)
All of this sounded brilliant. That is, until I started cross referencing. The word of Tree in Genesis 3 for Tree of Life is not the same Hebrew word for Bush in Ex 3. The Bush is thought to be a Blackberry bush. I think the speaker needs to be self critical of what he so adamantly proposes. As a former academic myself (Phd Linguistics) we had it drilled into us that we had to be able to argue against our own positions. I rarely find this quality amongst evangelicals. Everything they imagine must necessarily be true. In light of this, I would love to hear a rabbinic jew respond to the speaker's interpretation of the Tree of Life metaphor.
Yes, I would also like to hear the response. But, Tim Mackie is a Hebrew scholar - if that means anything.
55:15
“Jesus’ tree of death becomes our Tree of Life”
Bruh. This was something, man. Always knew the Tree of Life begged more questions than were given to it, but boy oh boy.
Was mot sexual abuse ugh🤦 ..there is a second man pattern through out Scripture...first man is flesh.. Esau... Ishmael... first Adam... Cain...etc....
37:18 that may have been the biggest stretch of scripture interpretation I’ve ever heard
Torah is Gods commands Moses and Yeshua....Knowledge of Good and Evil written down by Moses and walked out by Yeshua.... Enoch walked with God and was translated...
So are you saying that the tree of life was not a real tree, but a metaphor?
I would like an answer to that, too. It sounds like he considers Eden just a story with imagery. Ditto his discussion of Revelation where he talks about symbolic meaning. I would like him to clearly state whether he thinks the “story” of Eden in Genesis is just a symbolic story or did the events actually happen.
We, humans, have been destroying the tree of life for centuries for our own selfish reason It's about the love he has for us he wants us to spread love to thy family friend neighbor, and strangers from animals to frying creatures to crawling ones. The tree of life roots spread from nation to nation. We all have left a print on each other in some kind of way. The good and bad seeds we have planted and went on to live our lives. Not knowing something we said or did that perhaps change someone's life. To me, we are all different in some way but the same. I celebrate we are different, image the fruit on the tree of life are different shapes and sizes some colors slightly different some sweeter than the other it would be a boring world if we were, all the same, they grow together. Let's work together to bring peace back if we all do a little maybe we can turn it around. I want my granddaughter to know what it means to love and not to be afraid to give love and receive love from others in a better world. respect one another. MY LOVE TO ALL OF YOU!
Hi Remnant Guys, this is one of my favorite episodes and topics of the Bible ever, thanks! Can I ask if the Jesus being the Vine and us being the branches being connected to that. Did you guys hear Tim's response to the TGC article about God's wrath? He believes in it, but him having an explaination for what happened. I'm always motivated to read's God's word since then, thanks Remnant, Tim Mackie, Mike Winger, and Jeff Durbin.
Tim Mackie is Great!!! ❤thank you
I’m curious about the translation of Adam being “living creature,” and the “Tree of Life.” It makes me think of how so many of us are living, as in technically alive and here, but how so many are missing out on Jesus who is THE Life. Living, technically, but not experiencing life as it was intended for humans.
The Tree of Life and the Tree of KNOWLWDGE was Adaaaam himself one in the Spirit with YAHSHUA. Now you can all figure out what FRUIT YAHWEH was talking about. Remember without the Beginning there can never be and END. First and Last - Alpha and Omega.
No ...God says man has become like us....knowing between good and evil....He will punish you if you disobey...
Ohhh heavens!! I've been wondering what the heck that passage was about.. because what Abraham did was repeated by Isaiah and Jacob, I think. Maybe not Jacob but definitely Isaiah.
I love how Tim explains these biblical secrets. I'm wiggly with excitement about God's word. How exciting!
The video was over and I was like "that was the best 11 minutes of my life" just to close out and look at the ACTUAL length of the video. Wow.
This is a question not about race, but the pronunciation of these so-called Hebrew words… I know that the Ashkenazy Jews adopted Judaism in 700AD. Do you agree? and a lot of what I hear from people attempting to speak in ancient Hebrew tongue sounds closer to Russian tongue? Have you noticed that too? and have you noticed how immensely different so called black peoples sounds audibly from Russians? and if that makes sense, their tongue would probably sounds a little different, I’m guessing less Russian? So I would bet that the pronouncement of these words would sound more native to the Gold Coast, or do you think I’m way off? Africans and Negro’s are different right? Egyptians are African and African Americans are Negro’s, I’m asking? Please don’t be offended, I’m just super curious, and maybe you know? I always thought Hebrew would sound more like hip hop… what do you think Tim? All peoples are awesome and made in his image, please don’t be afraid of answering this question please 😌
At 17:00 - look at how efficient immortal and fallen elohim have become at creating evil simply by suggestions to mortal humans.
Now imagine how proficient immortal and fallen humanity would become at creating evil by simply doing it themselves. It would be a world full of mentalist Nimrods with more experience and intelligence than we could imagine.
Jesus said in Matthew 24: 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Imagine a Stalin, Hitler, Caesar or Tiberius who was immortal. Terrifying.
Mackie slowly shows his colors a little at a time in this video as a liberial theologian and then at 28 minutes, the Remnant boys rescue him by assuring us that he is not a liberal theologian. Please ask his students. Do your homework before the show. Mackie denies the biblical hell, mocks the biblical atonement and adds gay / straight to the categories that are not found in Christ. Are you guys trying to compete with Sid Roth to never have a guest you don't agree with? The amazing giftedness behind the creation of the Bible project does not sanctify false teaching.
This has been my favourite show on remnant yet, Tim Mackie's insight blows my mind, ministers to my spirit and touches my heart, agree with Micheal it brings you to a place of awe in Christ and the Word and the Father's plan. Life 2.0.....in accordance with God's desires.
So Mackie is saying Adam and Eve would have died regardless of whether or not they disobeyed. This idea is a severe de-empasis of the impact of the fall of man and is false teaching. God made everything good (Gen 1:31). Man is to blame for death, because man sinned, and sin leads to death (Rom 5). Mackie's view deals with the problem of death and pain and suffering by blaming God for it. If death is not the problem, the death of Christ is not going to solve the problem. The host had it correct - would have been better off teaching it himself.
Haman = flesh/6=666 Eve or life=Spirit 3=333 6= me6 myself6 and I 6. 3= Father/Son/Holy Spirit.
He has some interesting points but I think he's spiritualizing the story of Abraham and Sarah by connecting it to the Tree of Life and saying Sarah is like the Tree of life, etc. Nothing in that narrative gives a clue that it's about the Tree of life. I agree there are patterns in the OT but there are clues to show you they are there.
46:18 The tree that leads to death is actually the tree of moralism. It's humans trying to work out good and bad by their own wisdom. It leads to division, violence, destruction, and death. 👍
Just starting to listen but want to ask the questions I always have before i forget.
First, I find it interesting that God made Adam then planted trees in a garden. How was it a garden without trees that weren’t planted yet? And he planted the garden in a place of Eden. How is Eden considered Eden before the garden was in it? Adam was living with no food since he was outside of Eden and the garden wasn’t planted.
Ps. Just finished listening and our family tree now appears much bigger to me.
A great podcast. Two comments that are highly relevant to the discussion. Regarding demons we know why some demons are in hell and others aren't and I realize that Tim said he couldn't explain it. However, it's explained in both Enoch, but specifically Jubilees that Yahweh was approached by the spirits of the Nephilim, and they requested not to be sent to hell, and he allowed a 10th of whatever their number was to remain on earth as jubilees describes to specifically torment, unbelievers, implying that they would be the ones who would provide the discipline, or the momentum to get people back on track towards Yahweh. And we know that Yahweh does not do evil so, in this case, he allowed evil entities to be present on earth in some number, and those are the demons which we read about in the New Testament. The second observation I would say is that of the fruit and the eating as described in the latter half of your podcast. Tim mentions how Jesus in the wilderness, if he chose to get food for himself, would be not trusting in the father. We know that when he did eat, it came from the father. But more importantly, eating, or the act thereof is to internalize whatever we are taking upon ourselves in the active eating. So eating is analogous to internalizing something within us. So when Adam and Eve ate of the tree, they internalized and brought with in themselves that aspect of wrongful choice, which is inherently in all of us. So just wanted to note eating is also analogous if not a metaphor for the internalization of our choices.
Mackie has some interesting ideas, but here he is contradicting the bibles own interpretation of itself. Mackie says that man started in mortality, but the bible says “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned…..”
Scripture is very clear on this topic. Death did not come until after the fall. The idea that man began in mortality, is not found in scripture.
The term for this is “conditional immortality” meaning that man wasn’t created as an immortal being, but that immortality was conditioned upon access to the Tree of Life. In other words, separation from God causes death.
THE ONLY THING HE HAS HAD RIGHT WERE ADAM AN EVES NAME !! After that it’s all BULLSHIT !!
The tree of life actually does have fruit... Look at Revelations 22:1-2... it actually says that the tree yields its fruit according to every month, and the leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations.
I feel like I'm the only one that is not agreeing with what's being said here. Two possible interpretations and neither are what he said. Either "you will surely die" means the day you disobey, you can be sure of that moment death will come (not ON that day), and how will it come? By preventing them from eating from the tree of life. Or, on that day you will spiritually die. As of that moment, man was condemned to hell, the REAL death.
What looks like death to me is Jesus offering me life. I think that changed my life forever.
I'm seeing a comparison between eating of the tree of life and partaking of the communion of Jesus.....
Actually Eve was deceived and fell into the transgression, even as the King was deceived. 1 Tim 2: 14
Tree of life is granted again in the renewed Jerusalem Revelation 22....only for the obedient people...
Smart cookie that Tim Mackie
Why is jesus( rev 22) and Satan, (elsewhere in the Bible) called the morning star?
RR and BP gifts to the body of Christ---continue with courage
4:25 yet this is exactly what most Christians do. You decide what denomination, what canon, what translation, etc
In your discussion about Abraham and Sarah you said that Abraham was a !ler. In scripture he does not lie about Sarah at sll. He says , she is my sister, which she was, the daughter of his father by another mother. That is not lying but not being forthright with the whole truth of Sarah being his wife . Abraham held back telling the whole truth but he did not lie by what he declared. God does not like a liar and Abraham was faithful to God. That in no way makes Abraham the snake in this instance or narrative.
I had to watch thebibleproject videos in my Old Testament classes at school.
I am in awe. How come I can’t read the Bible and see this????? Bro. Am I blind!!? This makes so much sense!
i35 means nothing to me from Africa except a car model of the Hyundai series....
Wow if Adam would have eaten of the tree of life he would be exempt from redemption just like the fallen angels! He kicked us out and guarded the tree of life so He could save us through Messiah later!
They were very different people to today, though, because they lived for centuries. Thats why we think they were created perfect
To every UA-cam commenter that I’ve tried to point out that Tim doesn’t see the genesis creation narrative as “JUST a polemic”
Observe.
Tim, are you saying that Adam and Eve are not literal. Just figurative?
So, when Jesus says, "I am the vine, you are the branches," does that mean we - the Body of Christ - are now the tree of life?
Maybe Adam and Eve ate only the leaves from the tree of life, which only bring healing, and did not eat the eternal life-giving fruit:
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. --Rev 22:1-2
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The tree is literal a shadow of things to come. Christ. The Noah's Ark, The Cross, Melchizedek High Priest ect.
Thank you for this - as always, so much food for thought (careful which fruit to pick in that!). I love how well you guys facilitate conversation, seek clarification, and also the fresh but Biblical perspectives Dr. Tim brings to the floor. It’s ridiculous but I don’t think I’ve ever truly thought through that Adam was formed out with the garden and then placed in it… can’t believe I never really thought of the implications of that.
Keep in mind the serpent was there too and therefore knows the details. This can explain who Egypt and others got their ideas from.
Expanding Eden = Extending the Kingdom of God here on earth in real time......
Pretty amazing points.
SARAH SAID EDEN IN HER OLD AGE BUT I DON'T SHE MEANT PREGNANCY BUT DELIGHT OF SEX
This was an enriching discussion
How long were Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. I have always wondered that
And Eve is mother of the living. She gives life and she ate from the 🌴 of life.