I get where you’re coming from, but if you were a software developer 20 years ago looking to raise money to build an app/service, did any of the musical artist pitch in to start it? Or do they just stick their hand out to get paid? Would Spotify exist if there weren’t investors in the beginning to fund its inception? So how much would artists make from Spotify if it didn’t exist? Goose egg. So now what’s the argument?
Thinking that 'developers' are the one winning here is a misnomer. The 'developers' in these cases are really sham entrepreneurs who are propped up by boards filled with investors who only care about money.
@@pianoman173 wym? he didnt have an argument in the first place? he was just expressing his opinion that the model we have is kinda sad. that doesn’t mean you have to agree. not everything is a debate, go outside for once and stop trying to start pointless arguments in youtube comments. you’re completely wasting your time and you know it.
This is the Streaming End Game. It was inevitable that once they snuffed out hard media, CDs, BluRays, etc from our consciousness and shortly thereafter, from our stores (Best Buy no longer sells any music or movies in any form!) thus correcting The Great Business Mistake they made decades earlier… that they would tighten down all the screws once they had ultimate control again. Moguls Giveth…. My teen daughter is just realizing why dad has this huge collection of music and movies as she sees her favorites suddenly disappear from streaming services. My advice is this: Continue to buy up all the CDs and BluRays of your favorite content that you can… while you still can. They can’t take that away from you.
@@HHSaauobzzzjebek Easy to escape it. Simply do NOT choose to update the firmware of your CD, DVD or Bluray media player. In fact there is really no reason to have the device connected to the internet at all. Have a couple players stashed for when your players break down too.
When I saw the price raises, I started canceling subscriptions. Eventually I'll just ween back to not consuming so much media. Hopefully others do the same.
Xbox just shut down a studio that put out one of the best video games of 2023 for budget cutting reasons. Corporations are making more than ever while trying to spend as least as possible. The whole entertainment industry is absolutely pathetic.
Ex brother-in-law was a big-time successful producer and told me that it’s only luck that somebody makes it big because there are so many things that have to happen and perfect synchronization.
Spotify aren't a platform for independent musicians. They're run by the big labels. Sure you can use their platform to hear independent music, but they'll certainly never promote it, or pay the artists for the few "lucky listens" they get.
Stakeholders don’t exist unless you go public. Always remember that. These companies have gotten too big for their own good. Meanwhile, from the get-go they’ve never shown nor had a sufficiently secure platform which in turn would and should grant their investing shareholders a secure and solid return. It was a gamble from the beginning for all whom were in on it.
They killed the market and now have to figure it out as they go. This is why, in a truly just financial system, mass investment would be illegal. Investors are a way to circumvent the normalcy of business, IE, deliver service/products.
So your solution for a bad problem is an even worse problem... I wish people wouldn't spout nonsense with a tone of absolute certainty about things that they can't know with certainty and that are poorly defined at best and absolutely undefined at worst (truly just based on what? decided by whom? smh...)
@@Gabrielnfs instead of countering my point or making one of your own, you wasted time being pedantic. Simple; companies and such need to be local to their service outside of essential goods. The owner of the local supermarket has more of an active interest in his neighborhood than the CEO of a conglomerate who doesn’t even know what city they’re currently in. That was my point.
@WickedWaiata : You mean like what the musician Prince did in 1995? 💜. Does anyone else remember Prince writing “Slave” on the side of his face & negotiating with Warner Bros to get control of his master recordings?? When he succeeded, he released the album “Emancipation”. He was the very 1st musical artist to offer his music through internet purchase. Truly, folks, I’m the same age as Prince…it’s only been ~29 yrs ago since he did this. Not just a talented musician, songwriter, bandleader, & live performer…but also a genius entrepreneur. No musical artist had done this before he did.
@1996connor People who pay streaming services are at least putting a small amount of money back into the artists. Piracy just says that music is worth nothing at all. Some high ground...
@@Vivi_9 Sure it is. If you get something that is only legally offered for sale without buying it, then you're stealing it. That applies to services and subscriptions, too. Just because you don't like the business model doesn't mean you're entitled to the goods and services it provides.
The real reason is that you have to compete with free content like UA-cam. The pay 0 for content. Hence is going to bring all artist like industries to 0. Now with AI good luck.
It's so sad that media expects to make billions of dollars with CEOs expecting to live in palaces. The greed is palpable. Everyone is getting rid of cable due to the expense and it's not worth the money. So streaming is going to price themselves out of the market also. People's incomes are stretched so thin they need to cut costs every where they can.
It’s already bad I wish there was a AI filter on UA-cam and Spotify because there is so many AI UA-cam videos it’s just really frustrating :( it’s like nothing took any effort and dedication anymore :(
Netflix had some good shows lately, but I doubt a single show or movie that gained a million views is sufficient enough to pay everyone involved considering that it costs more
Its because there are so many lazy asses out there that would rather milk one persons creativity to death so they can ride the coat tails. Exactly why i never wanted to be like Metallica. I love the . Its become a giant conglomerate and that is not something i wish to be a part of. Again i love Metallica and Slipknot. They are too big to pay attention to everything and that allows badactors to infiltrate and adultrate. Best music, best amps and the best guitars are made by small groups of dedicated individuals! There's no data I've seen anywhere to counter this fact i have observed. I'd love to see it differently, but i need data for proof. Please provide me with more info if you feel otherwise...
These companies operate at a loss as they grow. The government needs to step in, and NO, that’s NOT socialism. It’s responsible regulation to protect the community that consumes these products and those that are employed by them.
@@reaver357 I get that, because this oligarchy was created by them. What’s the other solution to get the masses to STOP BUYING!!! Just list every SoaD lyric and it pretty much explains the problem.
I don’t ever watch TV really because I’m always working but last week I sat down I wanted to watch a movie on Netflix popped it on watched it for about 20 minutes and a damn ad popped up and I was like what the fuck blows my mind I have Netflix has ads now
“…to pay all the stakeholders.” Not pay all the artists. It’s a sad model.
Ban Buybacks like prior to 1982.
I get where you’re coming from, but if you were a software developer 20 years ago looking to raise money to build an app/service, did any of the musical artist pitch in to start it? Or do they just stick their hand out to get paid? Would Spotify exist if there weren’t investors in the beginning to fund its inception? So how much would artists make from Spotify if it didn’t exist? Goose egg. So now what’s the argument?
@@pianoman173 There were freeware ones for fans only then Spotify and the record companies took them down legally
Thinking that 'developers' are the one winning here is a misnomer. The 'developers' in these cases are really sham entrepreneurs who are propped up by boards filled with investors who only care about money.
@@pianoman173 wym? he didnt have an argument in the first place? he was just expressing his opinion that the model we have is kinda sad. that doesn’t mean you have to agree. not everything is a debate, go outside for once and stop trying to start pointless arguments in youtube comments. you’re completely wasting your time and you know it.
This is the Streaming End Game. It was inevitable that once they snuffed out hard media, CDs, BluRays, etc from our consciousness and shortly thereafter, from our stores (Best Buy no longer sells any music or movies in any form!) thus correcting The Great Business Mistake they made decades earlier… that they would tighten down all the screws once they had ultimate control again.
Moguls Giveth…. My teen daughter is just realizing why dad has this huge collection of music and movies as she sees her favorites suddenly disappear from streaming services.
My advice is this:
Continue to buy up all the CDs and BluRays of your favorite content that you can… while you still can.
They can’t take that away from you.
Excellent comment!!
Or, you know... just download and backup data files that do not have DRM protection. Effectively the same thing.
@@HHSaauobzzzjebek Easy to escape it.
Simply do NOT choose to update the firmware of your CD, DVD or Bluray media player. In fact there is really no reason to have the device connected to the internet at all.
Have a couple players stashed for when your players break down too.
Bingo
@@leilanirocksdevices won't last forever if you're not using them they tend to break down too
Ban the practice of “Buybacks” and break up the monopolies!
When I saw the price raises, I started canceling subscriptions. Eventually I'll just ween back to not consuming so much media. Hopefully others do the same.
The only subsciption i pay for is a VPN so I can pirate everything
Hopefully, live music venues will benefit from this.
TicketMaster and their ilk will take care of that aspect, sadly ...
Bring back tapes, cds and vinyl globally!
Yeah but I'm not paying 15 quid a CD again either 🤷♂️
People vote with their dollar. If anyone wants this back, then go start buying them again. It’s not rocket science
pls no more fcking waste from millions wannabe artist.
Xbox just shut down a studio that put out one of the best video games of 2023 for budget cutting reasons. Corporations are making more than ever while trying to spend as least as possible. The whole entertainment industry is absolutely pathetic.
corporations are narcissistic abusers of their customers and employees, all in service of the shareholders.
and how many "effective managers" who created this mess was fired? pretty sure its 0 and they even got nice bonus for a great work
And now when all the talent leaves, they cry "Where is the team spirit!?"@@paskudne
If the programmers are good enough, and are willing to convert to VR, I'm sure Meta would hire them on.
@@michaelbinbc meta just laid off a bunch of software devs.
Pretty awful that the artists are not seen as stakeholders.
Yeah because the artists generally don't invest the capital needed to maintain the service.
True. It's kinda terrifying being a musician rn
Ex brother-in-law was a big-time successful producer and told me that it’s only luck that somebody makes it big because there are so many things that have to happen and perfect synchronization.
I have never subscribed to a streaming service and have no interest in doing so.
I'm in love with Ted Gioia
Spotify aren't a platform for independent musicians. They're run by the big labels. Sure you can use their platform to hear independent music, but they'll certainly never promote it, or pay the artists for the few "lucky listens" they get.
I’ve never been more pleased to leave a subscription service. Spotify has gone from bad to worse. Greed gets you nowhere
We need new models that benefit the artists to a greater degree. the whole world is a mess right now.
There is Bandcamp
Ted Gioia is brilliant
Stakeholders don’t exist unless you go public. Always remember that. These companies have gotten too big for their own good. Meanwhile, from the get-go they’ve never shown nor had a sufficiently secure platform which in turn would and should grant their investing shareholders a secure and solid return. It was a gamble from the beginning for all whom were in on it.
They killed the market and now have to figure it out as they go. This is why, in a truly just financial system, mass investment would be illegal. Investors are a way to circumvent the normalcy of business, IE, deliver service/products.
So your solution for a bad problem is an even worse problem... I wish people wouldn't spout nonsense with a tone of absolute certainty about things that they can't know with certainty and that are poorly defined at best and absolutely undefined at worst (truly just based on what? decided by whom? smh...)
@@Gabrielnfs instead of countering my point or making one of your own, you wasted time being pedantic.
Simple; companies and such need to be local to their service outside of essential goods. The owner of the local supermarket has more of an active interest in his neighborhood than the CEO of a conglomerate who doesn’t even know what city they’re currently in. That was my point.
Cancel your Netflix subscription
Just go out and see music live or pick up an instrument and forget streaming your hard earned cash to a greedy tech corp who cares not
I'd buy that for a dollar!
@astiagogo I'll pirate you a digital BOGO 🤣
I look for used books at yard sales fuck the Internet, fuck the Internet.
I look for the day when Music will be taken away from the control of suits and given back to the Creators
@WickedWaiata : You mean like what the musician Prince did in 1995? 💜. Does anyone else remember Prince writing “Slave” on the side of his face & negotiating with Warner Bros to get control of his master recordings?? When he succeeded, he released the album “Emancipation”. He was the very 1st musical artist to offer his music through internet purchase. Truly, folks, I’m the same age as Prince…it’s only been ~29 yrs ago since he did this. Not just a talented musician, songwriter, bandleader, & live performer…but also a genius entrepreneur. No musical artist had done this before he did.
At the end of the day, no matter the occupation, bean counters that we call the board of directors ruin everything.
We helped Netflix and Spotify into the saddle because we are gullible enough to believe they would offer us content for next to nothing for ever.
God bless piracy It really is a blessing not having to deal with these money sucking platforms
@1996connor People who pay streaming services are at least putting a small amount of money back into the artists. Piracy just says that music is worth nothing at all. Some high ground...
@@kevgamble if paying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing
@@Vivi_9 Sure it is. If you get something that is only legally offered for sale without buying it, then you're stealing it. That applies to services and subscriptions, too. Just because you don't like the business model doesn't mean you're entitled to the goods and services it provides.
@@kevgamble if paying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing
@@Vivi_9 "La la I can't hear you" isn't a rational conclusion. It's a dodge.
That's why I fly a Jolly Rodger before I go to torrent sites
@harrypothead42024 All you're doing is normalizing creative works not being worth anything. And taking revenue away from artists.
The economy system is broken
Of course common sense cutting costs , product and raising prices will spell the end of these things .
Spotted owl
The real reason is that you have to compete with free content like UA-cam. The pay 0 for content. Hence is going to bring all artist like industries to 0. Now with AI good luck.
It's so sad that media expects to make billions of dollars with CEOs expecting to live in palaces. The greed is palpable. Everyone is getting rid of cable due to the expense and it's not worth the money. So streaming is going to price themselves out of the market also. People's incomes are stretched so thin they need to cut costs every where they can.
The subscriber is therebi dont doubt the company but the investor coming from film
Would you rather hold stake or hold steak?
😂
I'd rather animals were alive.
I never eat red meat but lots of people do. That’s okay too. 😂🤣✌️
No one is gonna be able to compete with AI a few months from now anyway. The bar is gonna be infinitely higher for everyone. Humanity is over.
It’s already bad I wish there was a AI filter on UA-cam and Spotify because there is so many AI UA-cam videos it’s just really frustrating :( it’s like nothing took any effort and dedication anymore :(
I already know, if I got $1 raise, there are 18 people asking me for another $75 a week...
I’ve dropped every subscription and only watch utube, worried UA-cam will eventually charge us to watch free vids😮
And in turn they get less subscribers
So!
Don’t put your music on these streaming platforms !
I did once !
Never again! I’ve done better on the street’
“We have X problem”
Oooook so what’s “Y solution” ???
Finding the first is most important, have to understand the problem before you can even solve it
So how will AI music play on this?
“Enshitification”
I heard that Spotify is investing in AI microchips for military purposes. Is it true?
I’m just here to play the GameStop game and get rich quick while the rich get hosed. 😂
🚬🐨 what a great guy
AI will help
I’m tickled pink.. to NOT BE A SUBSCRIBER to ANYTHING 🙌😹
It's time..... time for the crash👍🏻
Y U P
Netflix had some good shows lately, but I doubt a single show or movie that gained a million views is sufficient enough to pay everyone involved considering that it costs more
Give a hoot, read a book. (Instead of streaming crap.)
Its because there are so many lazy asses out there that would rather milk one persons creativity to death so they can ride the coat tails. Exactly why i never wanted to be like Metallica. I love the . Its become a giant conglomerate and that is not something i wish to be a part of. Again i love Metallica and Slipknot. They are too big to pay attention to everything and that allows badactors to infiltrate and adultrate. Best music, best amps and the best guitars are made by small groups of dedicated individuals! There's no data I've seen anywhere to counter this fact i have observed. I'd love to see it differently, but i need data for proof. Please provide me with more info if you feel otherwise...
These companies operate at a loss as they grow. The government needs to step in, and NO, that’s NOT socialism. It’s responsible regulation to protect the community that consumes these products and those that are employed by them.
Govt doesn’t belong in anything.
@@reaver357 I get that, because this oligarchy was created by them. What’s the other solution to get the masses to STOP BUYING!!!
Just list every SoaD lyric and it pretty much explains the problem.
@@Birbface great point.
Go WOKE?
GO BROKE!🤪
The stock market needs to be destroyed.
This is all a result of allowing a generation to grow up believing other people's art should be free.
Welcome to greedy capitalism folks. And no I'm not advocating communism but let's be real this version does not punish greedy assholes
I don’t ever watch TV really because I’m always working but last week I sat down I wanted to watch a movie on Netflix popped it on watched it for about 20 minutes and a damn ad popped up and I was like what the fuck blows my mind I have Netflix has ads now