@@BrianGon89actually, it totally fucked up their momentum. People were watching the movies and loving them, then a pretentious article was written for the sole purpose of being controversial to gain the writer fame and it causes the actors to not be able to be in movies together again due to the stereotype.
The more interviews with Emilio Etsevez from that time that I see, the more I realize what a great job he did in Repo Man. It's the movie that just keeps getting better and better over time.
A bit surprised by Bill's take here. I thought for sure he was gonna go 'WAAAHHHHH poor rich celebs had it so tough' regardless of that journalist's motives, but he had a lot of empathy. Personally, I was a little too young to have followed what was going on at the time, but growing up I just associated "The Brat Pack" as being the young actors from John Hughes movies. I didn't know it had a negative connotation. Anyway, it was nice to see a bit behind the scenes to learn how they were specifically affected. Demi came across as an awesome person. Ally Sheedy was Ally Sheedy, which is a compliment, I think. Emilio was so tense, he was making McCarthy even more nervous. I did find it funny in the doc when he interviewed Rob Lowe, who was just super chill about the whole thing. He has the key to life, which is being able to change your mindset to adapt to your circumstances, and find the joy in your life. Unfortunately McCarthy is a bundle of insecurities. Relatably so. I keep waiting for Tarantino to cast Judd Nelson in something and resurrect his career.
he said it himself he is biased because he is a "performer" aka he identifies with them because he is rich millionaire guy who gets his feelings hurt when people say true things about him
@@AnonymousAccount514 I’d guess you didn’t read the original article…or at least when you were a kid. It’s brutal and mean spirited. Basically called a bunch of them spoiled brats with little-to-no talent who didn’t deserve success.
Back in the halcyon days of sanity and reason, kids' opinions didn't matter anyway. It was the adults in the industry, those in charge of content and money. They are the ones whose opinions mattered, not a bunch of kids who'll watch basically whatever's put in front of them & take it at face value. Their careers were impacted because the writer was able to shift public opinion about the group to the negative & make them less desirable in their own industry.
@@hensonlaurawasn’t really sane it was still more of the same, the war on drugs never ended, wars are still started for no good reason, we’ve got another migrant scare etc. it hasn’t really changed
The journalist was and still is envious of them. Even at an old age he says "they were all getting attention from the article, and I didn't get any attention'. He wrote it so he could be in the spotlight for writing it. But it backfired because everyone wanted to talk to them more and didn't care who wrote it.
Having watched the documentary… the interview at the end.. you can still feel the resentment in the writer’s voice. “I was getting the least attention of all”. His whole tone felt condescending even after 40 years.
Loved that he spoke on this, really enjoyed the documentary. For my friend group those films were a cornerstone. Always felt bad how the nickname hurt a number of them by casting them as wasters who didn't deserve the fame and attention they garnered. While it probably helped get them more attention that attention came with a lot of prejudgement and some of them lost out on roles as a result.
This channel is my new favorite. It is very well edited, curated, etc. The way they choose and arrange the audio clips from Ol’ Freckle’s podcasts, along with how they use the great relevant B roll footage, is just really top shelf. Better than any show-big or small budget-that curates the comedy of others imo. ⚛️
I was really young when these movies were coming out, but they were still formative. Everything John Hughes was doing had an impact on younger people at that time. Ferris Bueller was a favorite of mine from like age 6 or 7.
80s had a ton of great stuff, classic films… and I love John Hughes movies (even though I’d say Planes, Trains and Automobiles is easily his best one)… but that whole era also led to the huge drop-off in quality from the years/decades that followed. Especially with that whole young actors, teen stars and such. I mean, actors who came up in the 70s, like a Pacino, a Jack Nicholson, a Dustin Hoffman, a De Niro, a Gene Hackman, so on… wouldn’t have been the same in the 80’s. And someone like Mickey Rourke proved that… he would’ve been on a whole nother level in the 70’s! You stopped having experienced (in life) people, whatever you wanna call it. Just kids thrown out there. Took away from the realism of it all, with the years. That and the rise of blockbuster movies, then superhero movies……. Not saying it could’ve been different, but yeah…
Agreed. After watching the doc I thought if they would have owned the label as an assertion of a new generation of stars taking over Hollywood instead of bemoaning it things may have gone differently.
David Blum belongs to a specific group that was quite different than the "Brat Pack." The BP were predominantly white, Christian (not necessarily by practice) and middle class. John Hughes perfectly captured their spirit. Blum didn't like it. Not because they were younger and getting all the chicks but it was his cultural duty to destroy them.
I'm super surprised that bill fell for this pity party "documentary". Andrew has been working the entire time. Hes got like 80 IMDB credits. Between him, Rob, Emilio and Demi they collectively have something like 300 credits. And you know who else was named in that article? Tom Cruise. Didnt hurt his career ANY. I'f we add up all the credits from everyone named in that article I bet it's well over 1000 movies. Hes basically complaining that he didnt grow up to be Brad Pitt. Fact is Andrew was never a prolific actor. Good for rom coms when he was young and attractive. Hes no where near the level of some of the other brat packers who also did just fine despite the label. I think he should grow some humility and be grateful for the work hes had. Folks like Anthony Michael Hall and Tom Wilson constantly express gratitude for never having to work a real job (thats a direct AMH quote) and yet they had far less success than this spoiled sad boy did. No wonder the dude called him a brat. He still comes off like one.
All of this. Bill has been around Hollywood people too long. He's still a-ok with going after the "Joe Normals" of the world but he falls for this whine fest of a documentary....which is basically a filmed therapy session as McCarthy tries to work out his issues on camera.
@@KClouisville i laughed at the part where he said to Emilio "Spielberg is never going to call the brat pack guy". Like bro, you're the weekend at Bernie's guy. Youre the Mannequin guy. Youre not the slingblade guy or the scarface guy. He isnt scared of your label. You're just not good enough for A list work.
@@onlywhenprovoked Yep. McCarthy wasn't a terrible actor....but he just had a sort of one note blandness to his acting that didn't really open up a ton of A list opportunities as he got older. That's just the business.
@@KClouisville I went into this "doc" with no dislike for Andrew, and walked away from it feeling like he's a spoiled ass trust fund narcissist who's looking for someone else to blame for his own mediocrity. But I'm even more surprised Bill fell for it. I love bill but this is the dumbest shit hes ever said.
I categorize ages of hollywood based on the camera quality. Bad resolution/black&white films is older hollywood. Standard def is old hollywood. HD is new Hollywood.
@@thelightseeker94 well the film stock they used back in the day with projectors was a higher resolution than almost any digital camera that exists today tho but besides that i guess it makes sense to split it up like how you said
Agree with this take. Blum was young but a different generation. It was an early case of cancel culture by a Boomer against Gen X. Blum said among other things that X actors were not worthy as prior gens. I liked the Brat Pack and got a lot of entertainment from them. There were no good movies for us until guys like Hughes. Older gens got Westerns, we got Disney during a garbage time. Star Wars was overrated. It made a ton of money, because there was nothing for kids and it created a ton of merchandise.
Yeah all the article did was mention the different ways the three actors behaved like complete braindead assholes. Especially Judd Nelson (25).. Different generations..🤣🤣
I agree with your early cancel culture idea. The writer was butt hurt that they were better looking, richer, more famous & YOUNGER. He got on his high horse, passed a lot of moral judgment, made them look silly and spoiled, and gratified himself with hurting them, by changing public perception. He was as spiteful & jealous of them as vice principal Vernon was, in The Breakfast Club.
@@hensonlaura I felt like we lost something in Gen X, as the the actors represented us. They did a lot of comedy, but they were talented and could have evolved to dramas. Not into buzz words, but cancellation is not new. The younger generations have just made it an art form. Millenials seem to have issues with Boomers, but X got it first. We just didn't take it as personally.
I saw it and I liked it fine but I really didn't learn much about how it impacted their actual careers other than it made them "feel bad" and that perhaps influenced their choices. All in all, I liked all of the actors, and them working together more would have enhanced their careers which was the opposite of what their managers and others told them and I think that hurt them all more than anything.
Why is there always someone in the comments of literally anything that anyone posts about ANYTHING that just HAS to post that they were the first one to post a comment. At the end of the day WHO F***ING CARES?! IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU SPECIAL. It just means that you had less going on in your life at that specific moment in time than MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE! Congratulations!
Imagine the lack of anything meaningful in your life that it becomes an accomplishment to merely be a viewer. Do they set their schedule around projected posting times & compete with other losers to be first to post "First!"? It has to be kids who've never experienced life without internet and have no personal relationships whatsoever. A truly pathetic display of ignorance & lack of perspective.
I've been wanting to watch Brats I just don't have Hulu. I was worried Bill Burr was going to make fun of it so bad that it made me not want to watch it. In the Fall I went to a comic con not for any Star Wars actors or anything but for "The Brat Pack". I've met Anthony Michael Hall a few times and he's always nice, but this time Molly Ringwald, Judd Nelson, Ally Sheedy and Andrew McCarthy were also there. They even did a panel together and I had no idea there would be a documentary about them. I don't know if he had started the documentary by then or not but he did talk about how they were called "The Brat Pack" all because of 1 article and it just stuck with them. He wasn't mad about it he just found it interesting. Now knowing Bill actually liked it makes me even more excited about it. Bill might also like MaXXXine. The character walks past a cinema playing St. Elmo's Fire and she even beats the shit out of Kevin Bacon while he's sitting in his car and "Man in Motion" is playing loud! It was hilarious and I almost started singing in the theater but other people were there
I like many did not look at their obvious talent as actors negatively, after the article. Shows you AGAIN how the “industry” that chose to judge them-and thereby limit what projects they could do was wrong. We would have kept enjoying them.
Well..... Thanks to that a**hole magazine writer, the cinema got to see these same actors actually mature and tackle more dramatic roles. For all the light-hearted fare being pumped out up till that 1985 article, I found it very telling that one of the better films with a Brat Pack connection came out 2 years later. For those unfamiliar.... THE PICK-UP ARTIST, from 1987. Molly Ringwald, Robert Downey, Jr., and Dennis Hopper. Used to make the rounds on HBO when I was a kid. Always struck me that 2 actors from the John Hughes universe could pull off more nuanced performances, given the reputation bestowed on them.❤
Everybody in my generation thought the Brat Pack was cool. I had no idea it had such a negative effect on many of those actors. Emilio Estevez actually refused to do any more movies with any of the actors labeled as Brat Packers.
As someone who grew up in that era, none of us looked at the phrase brat pack as something negative. We thought rat pack/ brat pack and I think many of their careers benefited from being in the brat pack. I don't think many of them would be nearly as famous as they are if that didn't happen and they are complaining about it. Granted I did not read the article so they were pissed about that and I get that but it did not hurt any of their careers. It did the opposite
What’s amazing is even after the guy who wrote the article apologized because he’s doing a play on words we all know RattPack with Sinatra, Humphrey Bogart, and a few other guys then really famous rat pack with Dean and Sammy and Peter Lawford and a few different comedians. They were the rap pack so if you got a young bunch of actors, he just called him brats which they weren’t brats. They were very professional. The guy stabbed Amelia Estevez in the back have to take them out. Writer are basically jerk sometimes and he apologized, which was just stop calling them the brat pack they did some great movies That hold up when you look at the pay phones and things like that that doesn’t hold up but wonderful movies
How exactly? Like Cryer said the article mentiond Mccarthy *once*, in passing when one of his "friends" (likely Emilio) mentions how Andrews gonna fail because he lacks intensity. Some of the other became hugely successful and some didn't, business as usual. He was a good looking guy and had a decent career, but didn't turn into a superstar, but the article didn't have anything to do with that. Only reason the rest were so angry about the article was because it showed them acting like huge scumbags, something the doc conveniently forgets to mention🤣
Andrew is my favorite of the so-called "brat pack" because of him being in one of my top 5 favorite movies, Weekend at Bernie's Part II. I have an excuse, it was filmed 2 years after I had left St. Thomas USVI after growing up there for 9 years.
@@johnphantom Way to take a innocent joke and go with it!👏👏 GED is a American thing, so no I didn't recieve one.. Sorry I guess not everyone knows every US filming location..
Of course, every film in my top 5 is there solely due to whether they were filmed near a place I once lived. And then I make fun of the people who are confused when I tell them Tremors 4 is a top 5 film because I lived down the street from the Family Ties Dad once. Fuck Citizin Kane, I wasn't even born for 70 years, that movie sucks.
St Elmo's fire has them all playing fundamentally unlikeable characters in an absolute pile of sh. If I was a journalist I would have panned the entire thing. They all have given great performances in other films and deserve credit.
Somehow the people who were actually living with it didn’t know that. Someone should tell them it didn’t have an adverse impact on their careers, they’ll all feel better knowing that
@@opaljk4835 Yeah but not with these folks. I'll give Estevez Repo Man pre-Brat Pack. Too bad his career didn't continue in that off beat direction. St. Elmo's Fire might be the worst major film of the 80's.
@@mizuko6132Yea, it was. For once, that word really fits. Bill has many more insightful, funny points and directions they could have taken bits in that movie addressing hypocrisy in the modern world, instead it just felt like a room-temp IQ attempt to make rednecks laugh by attacking extreme-left viewpoints in a childish way. Similar humor - or lack thereof, to watching most sitcoms, like big bang theory. I wanted to turn it off but I didn't. I have to wonder how much of that can even be attributed to Bill or more to the other dozens of people involved in the direction and dialogue of the movie.
Right? It was so pathetically woke, just ruined everything & made no sense. I quit watching it part way & slapped myself in the face to reboot reality.
I loved the Brats documentary. I thought it was absurd that Molly Ringwald and Judd Nelson chose not to be in it. Like, their careers are going so well, and couldn’t use the publicity?
I think they both take themselves pretty seriously & would prefer to stand on their dignity. She's a big deal in French cinema & I don't know what he's up to, but I always got the impression he was rather surly to the press. Private.
@@hensonlaura I totally agree. My biggest peeve is that Ringwlad, Nelson, and AMH have all appeared at multiple conventions talking about basically the same subject. So why not do it on camera and help both McCarthy and yourselves? I don’t know, that’s just me and I wasn’t in the Brat Pack so maybe I’m way off.
No, it wasn't about people your age, it was about you playing 23 year old sl-t versions of high school kids........as is the norm in Hollywood. I think there was even a 30 year old playing a HS kid in that Euphoria thing recently.
Andrew McCarthy must have felt the most hurt by this and used this documentary as some kind of therapy. Everyone else pretty much had a successful career afterwards. So maybe he was looking for someone to blame for his feeling of being left behind.
Surprised by his take. After watching the piece all I could feel was sadness for Andrew McCarthy. Seems to me he gave way too much importance to the article. The others seemed like they were just placating McCarthy just to make him feel better. Fact is, most people's stardom is fleeting. Out of that group, only Rob Lowe and Demi went on to big careers. That's life in a tough industry.
Calling them collateral damage seems to me is a whole lot worse than calling them Brat Pack. I had sympathy for the writer until he threw out that phrase, because social media and cancel culture can kill a career, today.
Bill, no sht we’d ride those if we had them back then. Anything that’s out today for kids, yes back then we’d use but safety didn’t exist. That’s the difference. What’s the reason for commenting on these razor scooters? You already know the difference between our generations. Hell we would dare a friend to jump it off a 10ft hill onto the railroad to get bonds rookie card not knowing it be worth money. Meanwhile he’s wearing hand me downs and does it 😂 Today a kid does this, in a safety gear bubble and it’s shared all over the world.
AND WE ALL....... FILLED THE MOVIE THEATER TO SEE THESE MOVIES AND ON VHS AND CABLE TV. Rob Lowe had that Sex Scandal where he was filmed across a Street in a Hotel Room having Sex in 1988.Then he went in hiding for awhile. Remember that anyone ???
Actors today have it much worse. Back then I thought it actually helped their careers. Kids our age didn’t read articles from those types of magazines.
@@pts5217 Uh, he probably has the most financially successful career of all of them. Unless you forget he owns/owned a piece of a little franchise called "The Mighty Ducks". He was in a load of blockbusters after the label. All of their careers were longer for it as most don't last long at all anyways.
@@stevelibby6852 He’s part of a very wealthy family and was never going to worry about money regardless. He wanted to be a serious actor/director, not the star in a cheesy kids movie…Mighty Ducks, Young Guns then getting killed off during the first 20 minutes of Mission Impossible can hardly be considered “loads of blockbusters” over 40 years.
Bill might be right about most of the Brat Pack actors, but all Andrew McCarthy showed me is how much of a little BRAT he actually is! Still! I thought he was acting back then! I thought he was a respectable actor this whole time! And a reputable director! I was cringing. And he was airbrushed out of the cover! I think that's what really made him upset! And James Spader out bratted him by a mile in Pretty In Pink! I don't see him crying. Listen to successful Demi Moore's reaction "Why did we care?" and he tries to go along with it but then that goes against his whole narrative for his film so he starts melting down. And if you're getting therapy from Demi Moore, you messed up! But I did love the film. It reminds me of Grizzly Man!
Wait a minute... is Bill Burr saying, that a member of the media is saying something mean for personal reasons? I for one am shocked! Maybe that writer was trying to sell copy, and make some coin, off of all of those fully commodified, beautiful, privileged, young actors, who were actual brats, and often played brats, in all those great films in order to keep selling tickets by portraying the average, everyday movie going brats in a sympathetic light? Imagine being so butt sore that you would make a documentary about some term, some loser writer stuck to your group with, all those years ago. Those poor, poor, poor, millionaire actors, I hope they’ll be okay.
They have feelings, are only people too, and no life is easy. No doubt there are 10 billion people in the world who would find your life with water on tap, electricity, easily available food, & many comforts & pleasures the height of luxury - & scoff at your numerous petty complaints. We are only human.
@@pts5217how exactly? All it did was mention the several ways the group acted like complete self absorbed assholes, treated women like crap etc. All of which the doc conveniently leaves out, all it obsesses over is the few sentences mentioning most of them has no actual training as actors🤣 Back then there were worse hit pieces than this printed every week! Maybe actually read the article before commenting..
the funny thing about the Brat Pack bitching in 2024 is NONE of them were good actors but merely just ok... i think i got 5 minutes into St. Elmo's Fire recently and said FUCK NO to watching anymore, everyone seemed like a plastic douche bag... fax!!!
Entertainment "journalists" (cough, cough) rate somewhere near real estate agents in terms of respectability. Risking nothing, judging people trying to make something that will last or help others.
Love bill and have bias but old dads doesn’t make sense at all. If all the main people bill was chewing out in the film are corrupt, why does he have to apologize to a wife who can’t even grasp what’s going on.at the end he changes his approach and she changes nothing. I almost feel like he did that on purpose for a troll. The movie make no sense.
You are right we would have used smart phones and all this stuff that Exist now If it had been invented Then. I loved doing the things we did to spend time Then But would have loved all these toys.🤣🙏🏻
I started watching this yesterday and I turned it off at the point where dude went to Emilio's house. It really just seemed like a long therapy session for Andrew MacArthy and Emilio Estevez looked life he could not possibly be less interested. I'm sure that at times it was tough and really annoying but I'm really hard pressed to believe that Andrew Mccarthy wasn't enjoying the ridiculous amount of attention they all were getting in the 80s. To be young, beautiful and rich...? Omg. What a burden. Lol. That's the life you people signed up for. It doesn't always work out that way for everybody in the film industry, but when it does, stfu and stop whining about it, especially if you're lucky enough to survive it and make it to a more mature age. Not to mention, apart from the nerdy one from breakfast club, Andrew McCarthy was the least good looking and the least interesting actor out of all of them. Hence why HE was the one to make this documentary.
A writer's job is not to please McCarthy or whoever the subject of the article is. It is to tell the truth as you see it. McCarthy is welcome to disagree and make a doc about it. But that guy doesn't need to "answer" for his work or give an answer that is satisfactory to McCarthy.
Are you kidding, That a** hole is thrilled to death with the impact he's had on all their lives and he is thrilled with the attention now. Wild horses couldn't keep him from talking about it!
Nowhere does it say that Lowe complained because he doesn't. He is completely pragmatic and deals with it & that's part of his continued success. Lowe is one of the most disciplined people in show business.
If you can't get Molly Ringwald and Judd Nelson to sit for the doc, then you just shouldn't do it. The whole thing is McCarthy wallowing. Nelson, Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall didn't participate so they won.
I always thought "Brat Pack" was nothing more than a cute play on words referencing the "Rat Pack" of the 60's.
it's just a grouping label and etymology. it did nothing to take away their control over defining what that meant in the time period.
Same here. I had no idea it came from a hit piece.
@@LarryGonzalez00 The article was brutal.
@@BrianGon89 Did you ever read the article?
@@BrianGon89actually, it totally fucked up their momentum. People were watching the movies and loving them, then a pretentious article was written for the sole purpose of being controversial to gain the writer fame and it causes the actors to not be able to be in movies together again due to the stereotype.
The more interviews with Emilio Etsevez from that time that I see, the more I realize what a great job he did in Repo Man. It's the movie that just keeps getting better and better over time.
A classic:) Otto!!
You really need to watch more movies.
Try international or indie movies.
I love Repo Man. Let's go get sushi. And not pay for it !
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@@RK-um9tu i cover movies like that on my channel!
A bit surprised by Bill's take here. I thought for sure he was gonna go 'WAAAHHHHH poor rich celebs had it so tough' regardless of that journalist's motives, but he had a lot of empathy. Personally, I was a little too young to have followed what was going on at the time, but growing up I just associated "The Brat Pack" as being the young actors from John Hughes movies. I didn't know it had a negative connotation. Anyway, it was nice to see a bit behind the scenes to learn how they were specifically affected. Demi came across as an awesome person. Ally Sheedy was Ally Sheedy, which is a compliment, I think. Emilio was so tense, he was making McCarthy even more nervous.
I did find it funny in the doc when he interviewed Rob Lowe, who was just super chill about the whole thing. He has the key to life, which is being able to change your mindset to adapt to your circumstances, and find the joy in your life. Unfortunately McCarthy is a bundle of insecurities. Relatably so. I keep waiting for Tarantino to cast Judd Nelson in something and resurrect his career.
Seriously, somebody needs to bring back Nelson.
I totally agree. They all basically told Andrew McCarthy it was just a (good) pun and to just move on, like they did.
he said it himself he is biased because he is a "performer" aka he identifies with them because he is rich millionaire guy who gets his feelings hurt when people say true things about him
Exactly! Burr is a shell of his former self...
@@OGRE_HATES_NERDSbut he says those actors meant a lot to his generation too.
As a kid, I interpreted Brat Pack as a good thing
@@totallybored5526 thing
@@AnonymousAccount514 I’d guess you didn’t read the original article…or at least when you were a kid. It’s brutal and mean spirited. Basically called a bunch of them spoiled brats with little-to-no talent who didn’t deserve success.
@@pts5217 Well, St. Elmo's Fire is an awful movie.
Back in the halcyon days of sanity and reason, kids' opinions didn't matter anyway. It was the adults in the industry, those in charge of content and money. They are the ones whose opinions mattered, not a bunch of kids who'll watch basically whatever's put in front of them & take it at face value. Their careers were impacted because the writer was able to shift public opinion about the group to the negative & make them less desirable in their own industry.
@@hensonlaurawasn’t really sane it was still more of the same, the war on drugs never ended, wars are still started for no good reason, we’ve got another migrant scare etc. it hasn’t really changed
Izzy be staying dope!
The journalist was and still is envious of them. Even at an old age he says "they were all getting attention from the article, and I didn't get any attention'. He wrote it so he could be in the spotlight for writing it. But it backfired because everyone wanted to talk to them more and didn't care who wrote it.
Rob Lowe made a child porn in 1988 and everyone has memory holed it. I would be envious too.
Having watched the documentary… the interview at the end.. you can still feel the resentment in the writer’s voice. “I was getting the least attention of all”. His whole tone felt condescending even after 40 years.
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In the video picture, Bill looks like extra on Happy Days.
Thanks for the review. I'm glad it was done well.
Love your videos man. Even though I just listened to the podcast I’m always pumped to see your visual take
Loved that he spoke on this, really enjoyed the documentary. For my friend group those films were a cornerstone. Always felt bad how the nickname hurt a number of them by casting them as wasters who didn't deserve the fame and attention they garnered. While it probably helped get them more attention that attention came with a lot of prejudgement and some of them lost out on roles as a result.
This channel is my new favorite. It is very well edited, curated, etc. The way they choose and arrange the audio clips from Ol’ Freckle’s podcasts, along with how they use the great relevant B roll footage, is just really top shelf. Better than any show-big or small budget-that curates the comedy of others imo. ⚛️
I have to believe that to the majority of the people that liked them, that name made them even cooler.
I was really young when these movies were coming out, but they were still formative. Everything John Hughes was doing had an impact on younger people at that time. Ferris Bueller was a favorite of mine from like age 6 or 7.
loved this doc
80s had a ton of great stuff, classic films… and I love John Hughes movies (even though I’d say Planes, Trains and Automobiles is easily his best one)… but that whole era also led to the huge drop-off in quality from the years/decades that followed. Especially with that whole young actors, teen stars and such.
I mean, actors who came up in the 70s, like a Pacino, a Jack Nicholson, a Dustin Hoffman, a De Niro, a Gene Hackman, so on… wouldn’t have been the same in the 80’s. And someone like Mickey Rourke proved that… he would’ve been on a whole nother level in the 70’s!
You stopped having experienced (in life) people, whatever you wanna call it. Just kids thrown out there. Took away from the realism of it all, with the years. That and the rise of blockbuster movies, then superhero movies…….
Not saying it could’ve been different, but yeah…
Pretty in Pink is my favourite movie. The end makes me weep Izzy
In real life the nerdy life king bf never gets the girl
The girl always goes for the popular guy
The label made them rock stars. If anything ripped them down, it was the drug addiction.
Agreed. After watching the doc I thought if they would have owned the label as an assertion of a new generation of stars taking over Hollywood instead of bemoaning it things may have gone differently.
Who in the brat pack had a drug addiction? They all were young and enjoyed partying but so do most people in their 20's.
Demi Moore had an addiction, and talked about having someone on set to help her.
@@jodi2847 Did you read the original article?
@@STONESGAM Rob Lowe, Andrew McCarthy, and Robert Downey Jr. to name a few.
They are talented performers.
Great actors…. no.
It was the writing and directing that deserves the praise.
The thumbnail picture is great. 💯🎉
David Blum belongs to a specific group that was quite different than the "Brat Pack." The BP were predominantly white, Christian (not necessarily by practice) and middle class. John Hughes perfectly captured their spirit.
Blum didn't like it. Not because they were younger and getting all the chicks but it was his cultural duty to destroy them.
Don't call them Christian if there's no evidence they practiced, and there isn't much.
Men at Work is an underrated movie
I'm super surprised that bill fell for this pity party "documentary". Andrew has been working the entire time. Hes got like 80 IMDB credits. Between him, Rob, Emilio and Demi they collectively have something like 300 credits.
And you know who else was named in that article? Tom Cruise. Didnt hurt his career ANY. I'f we add up all the credits from everyone named in that article I bet it's well over 1000 movies. Hes basically complaining that he didnt grow up to be Brad Pitt.
Fact is Andrew was never a prolific actor. Good for rom coms when he was young and attractive. Hes no where near the level of some of the other brat packers who also did just fine despite the label.
I think he should grow some humility and be grateful for the work hes had. Folks like Anthony Michael Hall and Tom Wilson constantly express gratitude for never having to work a real job (thats a direct AMH quote) and yet they had far less success than this spoiled sad boy did.
No wonder the dude called him a brat. He still comes off like one.
All of this. Bill has been around Hollywood people too long. He's still a-ok with going after the "Joe Normals" of the world but he falls for this whine fest of a documentary....which is basically a filmed therapy session as McCarthy tries to work out his issues on camera.
@@KClouisville i laughed at the part where he said to Emilio "Spielberg is never going to call the brat pack guy". Like bro, you're the weekend at Bernie's guy. Youre the Mannequin guy. Youre not the slingblade guy or the scarface guy. He isnt scared of your label. You're just not good enough for A list work.
@@onlywhenprovoked Yep. McCarthy wasn't a terrible actor....but he just had a sort of one note blandness to his acting that didn't really open up a ton of A list opportunities as he got older. That's just the business.
@@KClouisville I went into this "doc" with no dislike for Andrew, and walked away from it feeling like he's a spoiled ass trust fund narcissist who's looking for someone else to blame for his own mediocrity. But I'm even more surprised Bill fell for it. I love bill but this is the dumbest shit hes ever said.
I just noticed Bill brat was in the group picture.
Bill Burr best commentator on old hollywood.
what year did it change from old to new and is there an older than old category?
I categorize ages of hollywood based on the camera quality. Bad resolution/black&white films is older hollywood. Standard def is old hollywood. HD is new Hollywood.
@@thelightseeker94 well the film stock they used back in the day with projectors was a higher resolution than almost any digital camera that exists today tho but besides that i guess it makes sense to split it up like how you said
Little off on your time line; close though
Agree with this take. Blum was young but a different generation. It was an early case of cancel culture by a Boomer against Gen X. Blum said among other things that X actors were not worthy as prior gens. I liked the Brat Pack and got a lot of entertainment from them. There were no good movies for us until guys like Hughes. Older gens got Westerns, we got Disney during a garbage time. Star Wars was overrated. It made a ton of money, because there was nothing for kids and it created a ton of merchandise.
It had nothing to do with cancel culture, you're just in love with buzzwords.
Yeah all the article did was mention the different ways the three actors behaved like complete braindead assholes. Especially Judd Nelson (25).. Different generations..🤣🤣
I agree with your early cancel culture idea. The writer was butt hurt that they were better looking, richer, more famous & YOUNGER. He got on his high horse, passed a lot of moral judgment, made them look silly and spoiled, and gratified himself with hurting them, by changing public perception. He was as spiteful & jealous of them as vice principal Vernon was, in The Breakfast Club.
@@hensonlaura I felt like we lost something in Gen X, as the the actors represented us. They did a lot of comedy, but they were talented and could have evolved to dramas. Not into buzz words, but cancellation is not new. The younger generations have just made it an art form. Millenials seem to have issues with Boomers, but X got it first. We just didn't take it as personally.
that ending is perfect lmao
Fuckimg outstanding as usual
I swear I thought Emilio was his father for a sec
Looks like Joe, but his voice is like his dad.
Thanks Izzy!
16 Candles gave us nerds hope. Even if we’d never ‘bagged a babe’
"Can I borrow your underpants for 10 minutes?"
I saw it and I liked it fine but I really didn't learn much about how it impacted their actual careers other than it made them "feel bad" and that perhaps influenced their choices. All in all, I liked all of the actors, and them working together more would have enhanced their careers which was the opposite of what their managers and others told them and I think that hurt them all more than anything.
The Thumbnail lmao
Why is there always someone in the comments of literally anything that anyone posts about ANYTHING that just HAS to post that they were the first one to post a comment. At the end of the day WHO F***ING CARES?! IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU SPECIAL. It just means that you had less going on in your life at that specific moment in time than MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE! Congratulations!
Same reason as this lame nonsense.
“Hold my beer.”
“If you know, you know.”
Or turning everything into some crybaby political drama.
Imagine the lack of anything meaningful in your life that it becomes an accomplishment to merely be a viewer. Do they set their schedule around projected posting times & compete with other losers to be first to post "First!"? It has to be kids who've never experienced life without internet and have no personal relationships whatsoever. A truly pathetic display of ignorance & lack of perspective.
Blood pressure is throught the roof on this one. Take a deep breath and step away from the internet.
I like mine burnt, with mustard , light cheese and chopped pickles.
I've been wanting to watch Brats I just don't have Hulu. I was worried Bill Burr was going to make fun of it so bad that it made me not want to watch it. In the Fall I went to a comic con not for any Star Wars actors or anything but for "The Brat Pack". I've met Anthony Michael Hall a few times and he's always nice, but this time Molly Ringwald, Judd Nelson, Ally Sheedy and Andrew McCarthy were also there. They even did a panel together and I had no idea there would be a documentary about them. I don't know if he had started the documentary by then or not but he did talk about how they were called "The Brat Pack" all because of 1 article and it just stuck with them. He wasn't mad about it he just found it interesting. Now knowing Bill actually liked it makes me even more excited about it.
Bill might also like MaXXXine. The character walks past a cinema playing St. Elmo's Fire and she even beats the shit out of Kevin Bacon while he's sitting in his car and "Man in Motion" is playing loud! It was hilarious and I almost started singing in the theater but other people were there
I like many did not look at their obvious talent as actors negatively, after the article.
Shows you AGAIN how the “industry” that chose to judge them-and thereby limit what projects they could do was wrong. We would have kept enjoying them.
We loved the Brat Pack! David Blum was jealous of Rob and Emilio....they're all my age and the 80's was great because of them
Well.....
Thanks to that a**hole magazine writer, the cinema got to see these same actors actually mature and tackle more dramatic roles.
For all the light-hearted fare being pumped out up till that 1985 article, I found it very telling that one of the better films with a Brat Pack connection came out 2 years later.
For those unfamiliar....
THE PICK-UP ARTIST, from 1987.
Molly Ringwald, Robert Downey, Jr., and Dennis Hopper. Used to make the rounds on HBO when I was a kid. Always struck me that 2 actors from the John Hughes universe could pull off more nuanced performances, given the reputation bestowed on them.❤
Everybody in my generation thought the Brat Pack was cool. I had no idea it had such a negative effect on many of those actors. Emilio Estevez actually refused to do any more movies with any of the actors labeled as Brat Packers.
Billy promoting Hulu products is his version of the Presidential speaking tour after Hulu cut him a big check for his next special.
As someone who grew up in that era, none of us looked at the phrase brat pack as something negative. We thought rat pack/ brat pack and I think many of their careers benefited from being in the brat pack. I don't think many of them would be nearly as famous as they are if that didn't happen and they are complaining about it. Granted I did not read the article so they were pissed about that and I get that but it did not hurt any of their careers. It did the opposite
Their careers would have turned out the same with or without the Brat tag.
Never trust a writer who wants to be the centre of attention
All of today's media. MEdia
What’s amazing is even after the guy who wrote the article apologized because he’s doing a play on words we all know RattPack with Sinatra, Humphrey Bogart, and a few other guys then really famous rat pack with Dean and Sammy and Peter Lawford and a few different comedians. They were the rap pack so if you got a young bunch of actors, he just called him brats which they weren’t brats. They were very professional. The guy stabbed Amelia Estevez in the back have to take them out. Writer are basically jerk sometimes and he apologized, which was just stop calling them the brat pack they did some great movies That hold up when you look at the pay phones and things like that that doesn’t hold up but wonderful movies
It was a good doc, I enjoyed it. I kinda felt bad for Andrew because it obviously affected him the most and he felt the most derailed by the article.
How exactly? Like Cryer said the article mentiond Mccarthy *once*, in passing when one of his "friends" (likely Emilio) mentions how Andrews gonna fail because he lacks intensity. Some of the other became hugely successful and some didn't, business as usual. He was a good looking guy and had a decent career, but didn't turn into a superstar, but the article didn't have anything to do with that. Only reason the rest were so angry about the article was because it showed them acting like huge scumbags, something the doc conveniently forgets to mention🤣
this makes me want to watch "gettin in" 1994
Very good documentary, great nostalgia but also quite an emotional journey for Andrew & all involved.
Couldn’t get thru it. Too much whining
Oddly enough, Mccarthy is quoted on wiki saying he hasn't been in touch with any of the other "brats", so...that's a lie
Charli XCX reference
Like anything else.
The one's with talent survived and had long careers.
The one's without talent had short careers and disappeared.
Andrew is my favorite of the so-called "brat pack" because of him being in one of my top 5 favorite movies, Weekend at Bernie's Part II. I have an excuse, it was filmed 2 years after I had left St. Thomas USVI after growing up there for 9 years.
Your top 5 includes Weekend at Bernies TWO!? While #1 isn't even on there?? 🤣🤣
Because 1 wasn't filmed in the Virgin Islands. Did you manage to get a GED?
@@johnphantom Way to take a innocent joke and go with it!👏👏
GED is a American thing, so no I didn't recieve one.. Sorry I guess not everyone knows every US filming location..
Of course, every film in my top 5 is there solely due to whether they were filmed near a place I once lived. And then I make fun of the people who are confused when I tell them Tremors 4 is a top 5 film because I lived down the street from the Family Ties Dad once. Fuck Citizin Kane, I wasn't even born for 70 years, that movie sucks.
I see I upset some people that are jealous of me.
Was kind of interesting that Molly Ringwald elected not to be interviewed for this doc by McCarthy. She must have had a problem with it
St Elmo's fire has them all playing fundamentally unlikeable characters in an absolute pile of sh. If I was a journalist I would have panned the entire thing. They all have given great performances in other films and deserve credit.
I'm sorry, are we supposed to feel sorry for the millionaire members of the Brat Pack?
John Hughes is as influential as George Lucas in terms of creating a brand new Hollywood genre thousands of filmmakers have sourced from.
The title brat pack helped all of their careers…
Somehow the people who were actually living with it didn’t know that. Someone should tell them it didn’t have an adverse impact on their careers, they’ll all feel better knowing that
def not all of them some it didnt affect at all
A bunch of whiners. They were a real comedown from the great edgy iconic acting talent of the 70’s.
@@walkerstark4564 oh come on. There’s plenty of great stuff from the 80s too.
@@opaljk4835 Yeah but not with these folks. I'll give Estevez Repo Man pre-Brat Pack. Too bad his career didn't continue in that off beat direction. St. Elmo's Fire might be the worst major film of the 80's.
Old dads did suck tho.
Cringe opinion
@@mittenil2972 cringe movie.
@@mizuko6132Yea, it was. For once, that word really fits. Bill has many more insightful, funny points and directions they could have taken bits in that movie addressing hypocrisy in the modern world, instead it just felt like a room-temp IQ attempt to make rednecks laugh by attacking extreme-left viewpoints in a childish way. Similar humor - or lack thereof, to watching most sitcoms, like big bang theory. I wanted to turn it off but I didn't. I have to wonder how much of that can even be attributed to Bill or more to the other dozens of people involved in the direction and dialogue of the movie.
@@mizuko6132 it was awful
Right? It was so pathetically woke, just ruined everything & made no sense. I quit watching it part way & slapped myself in the face to reboot reality.
Those who can't; critique.
I loved the Brats documentary. I thought it was absurd that Molly Ringwald and Judd Nelson chose not to be in it. Like, their careers are going so well, and couldn’t use the publicity?
I think they both take themselves pretty seriously & would prefer to stand on their dignity. She's a big deal in French cinema & I don't know what he's up to, but I always got the impression he was rather surly to the press. Private.
@@hensonlaura I totally agree. My biggest peeve is that Ringwlad, Nelson, and AMH have all appeared at multiple conventions talking about basically the same subject. So why not do it on camera and help both McCarthy and yourselves? I don’t know, that’s just me and I wasn’t in the Brat Pack so maybe I’m way off.
Hollywood Bill is soft af 😂
I will forever have a crush on Ally Sheedy and Justine Bateman. I'm 32 😜
Justine Bateman and Lisa Bonet were the best female idols of all time.
Hey the brat pack is cool
No, it wasn't about people your age, it was about you playing 23 year old sl-t versions of high school kids........as is the norm in Hollywood. I think there was even a 30 year old playing a HS kid in that Euphoria thing recently.
Andrew McCarthy must have felt the most hurt by this and used this documentary as some kind of therapy. Everyone else pretty much had a successful career afterwards. So maybe he was looking for someone to blame for his feeling of being left behind.
most of them if not all have had 40 years of a career that made them world famous. Such a dumb complaint
Surprised by his take. After watching the piece all I could feel was sadness for Andrew McCarthy. Seems to me he gave way too much importance to the article. The others seemed like they were just placating McCarthy just to make him feel better. Fact is, most people's stardom is fleeting. Out of that group, only Rob Lowe and Demi went on to big careers. That's life in a tough industry.
Calling them collateral damage seems to me is a whole lot worse than calling them Brat Pack. I had sympathy for the writer until he threw out that phrase, because social media and cancel culture can kill a career, today.
Yep. Envy is a ugly thing 🤣🤣
Bill has never been more wrong
Bill, no sht we’d ride those if we had them back then. Anything that’s out today for kids, yes back then we’d use but safety didn’t exist. That’s the difference.
What’s the reason for commenting on these razor scooters? You already know the difference between our generations. Hell we would dare a friend to jump it off a 10ft hill onto the railroad to get bonds rookie card not knowing it be worth money. Meanwhile he’s wearing hand me downs and does it 😂 Today a kid does this, in a safety gear bubble and it’s shared all over the world.
AND WE ALL....... FILLED THE MOVIE THEATER TO SEE THESE MOVIES AND ON VHS AND CABLE TV.
Rob Lowe had that Sex Scandal where he was filmed across a Street in a Hotel Room having Sex in 1988.Then he went in hiding for awhile. Remember that anyone ???
Actors today have it much worse. Back then I thought it actually helped their careers. Kids our age didn’t read articles from those types of magazines.
Writers used to try to convey the truth. Now they are activists.
I still don't understand why they completely left out Mare Winningham...
Who?
The label hurt NONE of their careers.
It absolutely did. Especially Estevez.
@@pts5217 Uh, he probably has the most financially successful career of all of them. Unless you forget he owns/owned a piece of a little franchise called "The Mighty Ducks". He was in a load of blockbusters after the label. All of their careers were longer for it as most don't last long at all anyways.
@@stevelibby6852 He’s part of a very wealthy family and was never going to worry about money regardless. He wanted to be a serious actor/director, not the star in a cheesy kids movie…Mighty Ducks, Young Guns then getting killed off during the first 20 minutes of Mission Impossible can hardly be considered “loads of blockbusters” over 40 years.
Young Guns and Mighty Ducks were huge films at the time.
@@gustavmarie Don't tell this other guy that, apparently his career was destroyed and he to do nothing he wanted. 😜
Bill might be right about most of the Brat Pack actors, but all Andrew McCarthy showed me is how much of a little BRAT he actually is! Still! I thought he was acting back then! I thought he was a respectable actor this whole time! And a reputable director! I was cringing. And he was airbrushed out of the cover! I think that's what really made him upset! And James Spader out bratted him by a mile in Pretty In Pink! I don't see him crying. Listen to successful Demi Moore's reaction "Why did we care?" and he tries to go along with it but then that goes against his whole narrative for his film so he starts melting down. And if you're getting therapy from Demi Moore, you messed up! But I did love the film. It reminds me of Grizzly Man!
Wait a minute... is Bill Burr saying, that a member of the media is saying something mean for personal reasons? I for one am shocked!
Maybe that writer was trying to sell copy, and make some coin, off of all of those fully commodified, beautiful, privileged, young actors, who were actual brats, and often played brats, in all those great films in order to keep selling tickets by portraying the average, everyday movie going brats in a sympathetic light?
Imagine being so butt sore that you would make a documentary about some term, some loser writer stuck to your group with, all those years ago. Those poor, poor, poor, millionaire actors, I hope they’ll be okay.
Maybe imagine how butt sore you sound 🤷♂️
They have feelings, are only people too, and no life is easy. No doubt there are 10 billion people in the world who would find your life with water on tap, electricity, easily available food, & many comforts & pleasures the height of luxury - & scoff at your numerous petty complaints. We are only human.
McCarthy's career didn't work out the way he hoped so he needs to blame somebody.
I don’t think he was destined for greatness either way, but that article was nasty.
@@pts5217how exactly? All it did was mention the several ways the group acted like complete self absorbed assholes, treated women like crap etc. All of which the doc conveniently leaves out, all it obsesses over is the few sentences mentioning most of them has no actual training as actors🤣 Back then there were worse hit pieces than this printed every week! Maybe actually read the article before commenting..
@@atlebakke I did read the article. Maybe don’t make assumptions before commenting
I think Andrew had it the worst because his career wasn't as successful as a lead like he wanted.
Billy red bush yaps about brats.
Classic worm weasel behavior
the funny thing about the Brat Pack bitching in 2024 is NONE of them were good actors but merely just ok... i think i got 5 minutes into St. Elmo's Fire recently and said FUCK NO to watching anymore, everyone seemed like a plastic douche bag... fax!!!
Rob lowe 🤷♂️
@@IzzySoDope if you like Lowe he just did Are You Garbage? podcast which was really good...
Im sure theyre crying over the millions they made.
Entertainment "journalists" (cough, cough) rate somewhere near real estate agents in terms of respectability. Risking nothing, judging people trying to make something that will last or help others.
How does Bill Burr have a career?.......I can complain about shit on my own......
Love bill and have bias but old dads doesn’t make sense at all. If all the main people bill was chewing out in the film are corrupt, why does he have to apologize to a wife who can’t even grasp what’s going on.at the end he changes his approach and she changes nothing. I almost feel like he did that on purpose for a troll. The movie make no sense.
St. Elmo's Fire is just terrible from beginning to end. It's from 1985 and it should stay in 1985.
Andrew McCarthy looked like a total crybaby in this doc.
Just watched brats. Andrew McCarthy tried to make the doc a cry fest, really disappointing documentary
You are right we would have used smart phones and all this stuff that Exist now If it had been invented Then. I loved doing the things we did to spend time Then But would have loved all these toys.🤣🙏🏻
Now we have to listen to bill shill for hulu and these stupid ass shows 😢
I don't want to ruin it for you... But I'm going to ruin it for you
I started watching this yesterday and I turned it off at the point where dude went to Emilio's house. It really just seemed like a long therapy session for Andrew MacArthy and Emilio Estevez looked life he could not possibly be less interested. I'm sure that at times it was tough and really annoying but I'm really hard pressed to believe that Andrew Mccarthy wasn't enjoying the ridiculous amount of attention they all were getting in the 80s. To be young, beautiful and rich...? Omg. What a burden. Lol. That's the life you people signed up for. It doesn't always work out that way for everybody in the film industry, but when it does, stfu and stop whining about it, especially if you're lucky enough to survive it and make it to a more mature age. Not to mention, apart from the nerdy one from breakfast club, Andrew McCarthy was the least good looking and the least interesting actor out of all of them. Hence why HE was the one to make this documentary.
Bill is brat
A writer's job is not to please McCarthy or whoever the subject of the article is. It is to tell the truth as you see it. McCarthy is welcome to disagree and make a doc about it. But that guy doesn't need to "answer" for his work or give an answer that is satisfactory to McCarthy.
Are you kidding, That a** hole is thrilled to death with the impact he's had on all their lives and he is thrilled with the attention now. Wild horses couldn't keep him from talking about it!
the guy probably was jealous but also they probably were brats
I find it hard to believe Rob Lowe complains about the effect this had on his career but not the sex tape.
Nowhere does it say that Lowe complained because he doesn't. He is completely pragmatic and deals with it & that's part of his continued success. Lowe is one of the most disciplined people in show business.
If you can't get Molly Ringwald and Judd Nelson to sit for the doc, then you just shouldn't do it. The whole thing is McCarthy wallowing. Nelson, Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall didn't participate so they won.
David would be on Fox News or The Daily Wire today...jealous much?
Seems much more like the crew of “journalists” over at CNN or MSNBC.