What a great comparison which is backed up by some metrics and first-hand experience. I like the charming edits and also the model in the thumbnail. Looking forward to the next video!
Your Bavaria is like a Seat and the HR is like a Mercedes. HR is made and designed better and it will keep its value and quality for years to come because of that. The design philosophy is also different. In Bavaria the emphasis is on cost and high internal volume and in HR quality and sailing properties. You are comparing the gear like both have a same engine - it is not just that, the main thing is how the engine has been installed and mounted. For the mast - everything in the HR regarding the mast is bigger and stronger. Selden has several different solutions for the masts and HR uses the best quality - Bavaria uses the cheaper components. Just as an example the rigging screws 5/8 size with a togle is about 200 € and 1/2 without a togle is less than 100 €. The hull of the HR is a lot stiffer, the keel attachment is better and it is made of lead. HR does not have similar bolt on keel like Bavaria - HR has a keel that attaches to a "stump" in the bottom of the boat and that configuration has greater strength + it puts the weight of the keel lower. (this is not to say that Bavaria is unsafe - it is just made with a solution that is a lot cheaper to make) In general the weight in HR is where it needs to be and the lamination is over parts when doing attachments to different parts of the boat (+clue). Bavaria uses mainly clue and like the deck is clued not laminated (this goes to all Bavarias) also the hull stringers etc. are clued not properly laminated in Bavaria. There are no boats that have all of the interior solid wood only the handhelds etc. are solid. There is no point of doing the wood solid as it would be too heavy and the weight would be in a wrong place. Bavaria interiors are elements that are put to the boat before the deck is attached - this makes it difficult to fix leaks etc. if they are behind the module. Many have had problems with headlining etc. when you need to take the roof panel out to fix something in the deck or add new gear. In HR you can dismantle for example the headlining and put it together again (also Dehler, Hanse and some others use these big headliner modules - they are stupid if you ask me). Best manufactures use core filled elements in the interior to save weight + add stiffness - like HR. This is really expensive. Doing it light and putting weight were it needs to be makes boats expensive. I am not sure does HR use different fibers in different areas for maximum strength but I am pretty sure they do. Bavaria does not do this as it is so expensive. I do not have a HR or Bavaria. I have sailed several Bavarias and HR:s. I have a boat made in Sweden with similar solutions to HR (I bought it used before Covid when the prices were still down). I think in the end when sailing the big difference between a really quality boat vrs. low quality boat is the sounds. In a high quality boat the boat does not creek and make noises when on sail in choppy seas. In a Hanse, Diva, Bavaria the sounds are sometimes alarming under sail. At least for me it is really hard to sleep or chill in a boat that makes cracking noises from the rig etc. My comments are not to put down your Bavaria or any Bavaria's it is just stating the differences. It does not matter what your boat is you can have same experiences and explore same places in them. Just like you can drive to Paris from Berlin with a Seat or Mercedes. Good plan to change the boat to get the boat for rest of your life - you will only loose money if you change boat gradually to get a bigger one. Happy sailing.
Thank for your really detailed comments , I do not disagree that Hallberg Rassy's are better built but the cost does not equal the extra you get from the boat in my opinion unless you are in a very heavy sea and you do lose valuable living space and cockpit space , regarding sounds when sailing yes its a fair point but it may be more to do with wide beams than poor quality , good look with your sailing and thanks again for responding
Hello mate. Interesting video. I bought a Malo 38 a year ago and she is a wonderful vessel. She would go around the world in comfort and style. If you are ever in Dartmouth, come and have a look! Best wishes James
@@jcfgh well that’s interesting, I also sail a malo 36 “ belonging to a club I’m part of in Dublin “ and yes they are a serious contender and would certainly make the “ forever boat “ list , good luck with your sailing in that solid hand built yacht
I owned a 1990 Hallberg-Rassy 352 for 18 years, then sold it and bought a brand-new Bavaria Cruiser 37, which I've now owned for 10 years. The HR352 was a nice boat, but had a number of problems. The gelcoat was degrading in lots of places, the teak deck was close to needing a replacement (£35K ouch!), and the much-vaunted HR build quality was patchy when you looked into lockers, beneath the flooring, etc. In contrast, the Bavaria is a very well-made production boat. In 10 years, nothing has broken, there's been no leaks or creaks or groans. It's well put together. I'm an engineer and coming from HR ownership I did wonder what the Bavaria would be like longer term; I've been pleasantly surprised. There are loads of urban myths about Bavarias, some of which have already been mentioned in the comments here, usually by people who have little real knowledge of the boats. Take keels - someone claimed that the HR's keel is better attached than the Bavaria's - untrue, they're both bolted and the Bavaria keel is glued in addition. Then people claim the Bavaria's furniture is made of chipboard - untrue, it's solid marine ply. And the old "I could see daylight through the Bavaria's hull" - I could see daylight through my HR hull too, as GRP is basically translucent. If I had lots of spare cash, I'd happily buy a new Hallberg-Rassy, as I like their overall style and interior finishes. But for better value, the Bavaria is excellent.
Don't forget they have very good resale value. If you keep them well maintained, you won't loose as much as on the cheaper brands. We have a Najad 361 and we love this boat very much.
@@JelleKei Najad 361 that looks to be an excellent yacht and a quality boat will always have a good resale value but I’m not convinced the depreciation is any different between premium and production yachts , a new hallberg rassy 340 will cost 500,000 euros how much will it be worth in 10 years time ?
A second recommendation for Najad - similar characteristics to HR but a bit faster on passage (**runs for cover**). I have a Najad 331 and spend 3 months a year on her cruising widely. She is fast and beautifully built. For long passages, three crew are comfortable, two crew are super relaxed and singlehanded sailing is positively palatial
2 mates buy a new boat, both are the same lenght. One buys a Hallberg Rassy costing 600k the other, a Bavaria costing 300K they ovn them for 20 years and then sel them. The Bavaria sels for 30K the HR for 90K. Also the Bavaria have neded 10k more in maintainance in those 20 years. So the loss have been for the HR 600k-90k= 510k the los for the Bavaria ovner have been 300-(30-10=20)= 280K So if resale value is 15% for the HR and 10% for the Bavaria doesnt mean the walue is better for a HR. When Lenght=safety and lenght=speed= safety. i would definetely go for a bigger boat for the same price.
Excellent review. Forever boat you should consider westerly ocean lord 41 cc, wheel. It’s our ideal. About €80k, was one in Howth for sale recently, taken off yachtworld for the winter
Very interesting, I don’t know much about the Westerly brand or the pros and cons of a centre cockpit for a solo sailor , 41 looks like a good size “ not too big not too small “ let me know if upgrade , is your current boat not big enough??
@ centre cockpit feels like you’re sailing a smaller boat eg 41cc feels like 31ac. They’re safer as well apparently according to the experts. We adore wave dancer she is perfect for us. We just love looking at yachts 🤣🤣
Ok I’m going to do some research on centre cockpits , and don’t we all just love looking at yachts, good luck with Wave Dancer “ great name and I’m sure she lives up to it “
„The best boat is the one you already have“. Bavaria is solid enough to do everything you want with the right skipper and common sense on board. Don‘t get frustrated by haters that never owned one. Ours is a 46 Cruiser 2017 and I solo her, well built, no slamming, fast enough and a lot of boat for the money. I wouldn‘t change it for a HR cramped centre cockpit. Plus I don‘t like the Magnus grandpa chairs for drinks: Spirits belong to the pub.
Not a bad choice, either with 2 cabins and a head on port, then you get a forward facing nav, or 3 cabs but you‘ll have the nav backwards. 😢 Or you consider a 41 from 2014 onwards, then you get it all. Depends on your crew size and usage and how much space you want to feel „at home“. I recommend to go just one size bigger than you think, more speed, more stability in rougher seas. At sea you won‘t really notice the extra lenght and docking is practice practice practice. Cheers!
How about another UA-cam posting .. ? 'Bentley or Ford Focus' ? The last time I stepped aboard a Bavaria I could almost see through the hull when stepping into the heads.
I am not sure you are doing Halberg Rassy owners any favours by comparing their yachts to Bentleys , I am happy to accept that Bavaria’s are built with cost and safety in mind , remember both yachts are category A .
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu Having delivered multiple Hallberg Rassys back in my days as a delivery skipper, also driven a couple of Bentleys and been aboard a Bavaria for one short trip.. I'll take the quality of the Bentley/Hallberg Rassy on a 3000 mile trip over the Bavaria any day :>)
Good thoughts. Forever boat? There is an Apogee Chuck Paine boat for sale in MX. I had an agreement to purchase, my wife begged me to drop it. She has a leisure furl system which I consider important. 52 feet long with a singlehanded sailor in mind. Heartbeat is her name. I currently sail a Bavaria 34 in the Caribbean.
I like your Bavaria 31 a lot - used to own a Bavaria 33 and it was a great little boat - but I agree to look for someting else if going to do a lot af miles offshore. I think you could be even more HAPPY looking at a cat, something like Maxim 380. It is a cheap cat, and build like a tank.
I should not be able to comment on the Hallberg Rassy, but I have sailed for a few years on a Bavaria 31, the same model as yours. Let me start by saying that it is a much better boat than the rumour. Having said that, there is room for improvement. Let me name some things that I have helped to change, or have been annoyed that cannot be changed. There is too little keel weight. It is especially noticeable on crossings in strong winds and waves. We increased the keel weight by 200 kg. and it turned out to be a much better boat. We led all the falls back to the cockpit and changed the winch relievers to the Spinlock. The cockpit table was removed and replaced by a removable table. This resulted in far better working conditions in the boat during sailing. What we couldn't change, but were annoying, were the round cockpit sides and that the cockpit sides are generally too low. The access conditions on the side of the deck are far too narrow. So better a little less space under deck. No, it's not a racing boat, but it was never meant to be, either. But it is a nice touring boat, especially when you look at how much boat you get for the money.
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu We made two templates (right and left side) of the keel and had them sent to a foundry that cast 2 lead castings. I will try and find some pictures and post them on my UA-cam, but it will probably take a few days. I should also mention that we had a boat designer to do some calculations on loads etc.
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu Hmmm. I am apparently not allowed to post a link for UA-cam. But I'm just posting the video open on my UA-cam channel TheTonny1310 So if you search TheTonny1310 Bavaria 31 the video should come up.
Ha Ha 😂 I’ll be keeping my Bavaria thanks 👍 The J & J interiors with Mahogany wood are a lot better. Bavaria used to be a furniture manufacturer so i guess the trade ran over into the yachts. My 36 doesn’t have that flimsy deck piece, I’ll show you when i get down in June to for that beer. 🍻
😂 I can buy you a beer out of the 90k I saved and hopefully I’ll have my deck sorted by June 🤔 , I didn’t know Bavaria made furniture, that’s interesting.
@@Andre-yu3qs if you want to own a real Mercedes: the real ones start with C-Clas. If you want to buy a good compact front weel drive car, buy an Audi, not an Mercedes A. They know how to make them for over 70 years. But back to sail boats: if I could afford a HR, I would buy one, but an older one, as they were really made for going off shore. If I couldn't afford one, I would buy an even older boat, a Fergus, an Allegro, an Olle Enderlein, a Cape Dory. Out there are a lot of cheap old boats that are perfectly up to the task of transoceanic sailing. And can give pleasure while sailing and pride of ownership whithout breaking the bank.
@@helmrichharms2225 Personally, I've never owned anything other than Mercedes Benz, but if your intellectual capacity doesn't allow you to understand the comment, that's something else...
Well, I am Italian and know these boats, no way if you get a Southerly you get so much more..... there is no comparison, these are just the past. Seaworthiness, inside visibility at chart, variable draft with a deep draft, comfort... It is no way years ahead! Andrea
Is your life worth 90000 euros? The Bavaria is a fine day sailor in sheltered waters. But if you want to go off shore the HR is a far better boat. Quality building cost money, but remember when you go to sell the HR its depreciation will be far less than the Bavaria. Maybe the Bavaria has laminated bulkhead but are they bonded to the hull properly or just tabbed in, or worse siliconed . Bottom line is the HR is a real blue water boat while the Bavaria and all other so called production boats are marina condos or day sailors. What you are going to do with the boat should dictate the boat you buy. Bavarias and its kind are fine starter boats, get one see if you like the life style, then great a real boat.
Thanks for your input Bob , the truth is Bavaria’s are far better than most people imagine and Hallberg Rassy’s are by no means perfect. What make of boat do you have ?
Sel the Bavaria 31, buy a newer and bigger Bavaria. For +€90.000 ekstra, you could get a around 36-44 feet Bavaria. So isnt the comparison how much boat you could get for €150.000? (Or how ever much of funds you have awaylable) I wouldnt cross the Atlantic in a 31 feet boat, and definetely not the Pacific. My limit is 38 feet, preferably 42 fo a around the world tour.
Great comment, thanks , have you watched sailing Jambo ? He has put a lot of ocean miles up on a Bavaria 34 . There’s a lot of misinformation on the web about Bavaria Yachts , I’d be happy to buy another Bavaria.
How can you even mention these two brands in the same sentence? It shows that you have no idea what kind of boat is right for you. Do your homework before you move on. One of these is a camper plastic budget boat with cheap finish and low quality work. The other is absolutely top of the notch on every parameter.
I have sailed some 40 DIFFERENT yacht models as an owner, charter- and delivery skipper. Many more people should do what is done in this video, and question what you are paying for. The conclusion is a very sound one: Yachts like the HR are a good choice for people who can buy them cash without it making a dent in their budget, or for those few who don’t need a nice house or apartment because they’ll be out on the oceans (or at anchor). Speaking equally as an economist as an avid sailor: It you have to borrow money to finance your dream, buy a production yacht. The good ones are 85% the yacht for half the price.
What a great comparison which is backed up by some metrics and first-hand experience. I like the charming edits and also the model in the thumbnail. Looking forward to the next video!
Thanks for your comment you have been a supporter of the my channel I hope to see you on the water soon
Thanks for a nice reportage
Br from Swedish west coast
Thanks Peter
Your Bavaria is like a Seat and the HR is like a Mercedes. HR is made and designed better and it will keep its value and quality for years to come because of that. The design philosophy is also different. In Bavaria the emphasis is on cost and high internal volume and in HR quality and sailing properties.
You are comparing the gear like both have a same engine - it is not just that, the main thing is how the engine has been installed and mounted. For the mast - everything in the HR regarding the mast is bigger and stronger. Selden has several different solutions for the masts and HR uses the best quality - Bavaria uses the cheaper components. Just as an example the rigging screws 5/8 size with a togle is about 200 € and 1/2 without a togle is less than 100 €.
The hull of the HR is a lot stiffer, the keel attachment is better and it is made of lead. HR does not have similar bolt on keel like Bavaria - HR has a keel that attaches to a "stump" in the bottom of the boat and that configuration has greater strength + it puts the weight of the keel lower. (this is not to say that Bavaria is unsafe - it is just made with a solution that is a lot cheaper to make)
In general the weight in HR is where it needs to be and the lamination is over parts when doing attachments to different parts of the boat (+clue). Bavaria uses mainly clue and like the deck is clued not laminated (this goes to all Bavarias) also the hull stringers etc. are clued not properly laminated in Bavaria.
There are no boats that have all of the interior solid wood only the handhelds etc. are solid. There is no point of doing the wood solid as it would be too heavy and the weight would be in a wrong place. Bavaria interiors are elements that are put to the boat before the deck is attached - this makes it difficult to fix leaks etc. if they are behind the module. Many have had problems with headlining etc. when you need to take the roof panel out to fix something in the deck or add new gear. In HR you can dismantle for example the headlining and put it together again (also Dehler, Hanse and some others use these big headliner modules - they are stupid if you ask me).
Best manufactures use core filled elements in the interior to save weight + add stiffness - like HR. This is really expensive. Doing it light and putting weight were it needs to be makes boats expensive. I am not sure does HR use different fibers in different areas for maximum strength but I am pretty sure they do. Bavaria does not do this as it is so expensive.
I do not have a HR or Bavaria. I have sailed several Bavarias and HR:s. I have a boat made in Sweden with similar solutions to HR (I bought it used before Covid when the prices were still down). I think in the end when sailing the big difference between a really quality boat vrs. low quality boat is the sounds. In a high quality boat the boat does not creek and make noises when on sail in choppy seas. In a Hanse, Diva, Bavaria the sounds are sometimes alarming under sail. At least for me it is really hard to sleep or chill in a boat that makes cracking noises from the rig etc.
My comments are not to put down your Bavaria or any Bavaria's it is just stating the differences. It does not matter what your boat is you can have same experiences and explore same places in them. Just like you can drive to Paris from Berlin with a Seat or Mercedes.
Good plan to change the boat to get the boat for rest of your life - you will only loose money if you change boat gradually to get a bigger one. Happy sailing.
Thank for your really detailed comments , I do not disagree that Hallberg Rassy's are better built but the cost does not equal the extra you get from the boat in my opinion unless you are in a very heavy sea and you do lose valuable living space and cockpit space , regarding sounds when sailing yes its a fair point but it may be more to do with wide beams than poor quality , good look with your sailing and thanks again for responding
Niice video. Entertaining with facts🎉
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Hello mate. Interesting video. I bought a Malo 38 a year ago and she is a wonderful vessel. She would go around the world in comfort and style. If you are ever in Dartmouth, come and have a look! Best wishes James
@@jcfgh well that’s interesting, I also sail a malo 36 “ belonging to a club I’m part of in Dublin “ and yes they are a serious contender and would certainly make the “ forever boat “ list , good luck with your sailing in that solid hand built yacht
I owned a 1990 Hallberg-Rassy 352 for 18 years, then sold it and bought a brand-new Bavaria Cruiser 37, which I've now owned for 10 years. The HR352 was a nice boat, but had a number of problems. The gelcoat was degrading in lots of places, the teak deck was close to needing a replacement (£35K ouch!), and the much-vaunted HR build quality was patchy when you looked into lockers, beneath the flooring, etc. In contrast, the Bavaria is a very well-made production boat. In 10 years, nothing has broken, there's been no leaks or creaks or groans. It's well put together. I'm an engineer and coming from HR ownership I did wonder what the Bavaria would be like longer term; I've been pleasantly surprised.
There are loads of urban myths about Bavarias, some of which have already been mentioned in the comments here, usually by people who have little real knowledge of the boats. Take keels - someone claimed that the HR's keel is better attached than the Bavaria's - untrue, they're both bolted and the Bavaria keel is glued in addition. Then people claim the Bavaria's furniture is made of chipboard - untrue, it's solid marine ply. And the old "I could see daylight through the Bavaria's hull" - I could see daylight through my HR hull too, as GRP is basically translucent.
If I had lots of spare cash, I'd happily buy a new Hallberg-Rassy, as I like their overall style and interior finishes. But for better value, the Bavaria is excellent.
You make some excellent points , thanks for your input.
Don't forget they have very good resale value. If you keep them well maintained, you won't loose as much as on the cheaper brands. We have a Najad 361 and we love this boat very much.
@@JelleKei Najad 361 that looks to be an excellent yacht and a quality boat will always have a good resale value but I’m not convinced the depreciation is any different between premium and production yachts , a new hallberg rassy 340 will cost 500,000 euros how much will it be worth in 10 years time ?
A second recommendation for Najad - similar characteristics to HR but a bit faster on passage (**runs for cover**). I have a Najad 331 and spend 3 months a year on her cruising widely. She is fast and beautifully built. For long passages, three crew are comfortable, two crew are super relaxed and singlehanded sailing is positively palatial
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu hard to say but i almost paid the same money as the first owner 25 years ago for my Najad 361
2 mates buy a new boat, both are the same lenght. One buys a Hallberg Rassy costing 600k the other, a Bavaria costing 300K they ovn them for 20 years and then sel them. The Bavaria sels for 30K the HR for 90K. Also the Bavaria have neded 10k more in maintainance in those 20 years. So the loss have been for the HR 600k-90k= 510k the los for the Bavaria ovner have been 300-(30-10=20)= 280K So if resale value is 15% for the HR and 10% for the Bavaria doesnt mean the walue is better for a HR. When Lenght=safety and lenght=speed= safety. i would definetely go for a bigger boat for the same price.
Excellent review. Forever boat you should consider westerly ocean lord 41 cc, wheel. It’s our ideal. About €80k, was one in Howth for sale recently, taken off yachtworld for the winter
Very interesting, I don’t know much about the Westerly brand or the pros and cons of a centre cockpit for a solo sailor , 41 looks like a good size “ not too big not too small “ let me know if upgrade , is your current boat not big enough??
@ centre cockpit feels like you’re sailing a smaller boat eg 41cc feels like 31ac. They’re safer as well apparently according to the experts.
We adore wave dancer she is perfect for us. We just love looking at yachts 🤣🤣
Ok I’m going to do some research on centre cockpits , and don’t we all just love looking at yachts, good luck with Wave Dancer “ great name and I’m sure she lives up to it “
„The best boat is the one you already have“. Bavaria is solid enough to do everything you want with the right skipper and common sense on board. Don‘t get frustrated by haters that never owned one. Ours is a 46 Cruiser 2017 and I solo her, well built, no slamming, fast enough and a lot of boat for the money. I wouldn‘t change it for a HR cramped centre cockpit. Plus I don‘t like the Magnus grandpa chairs for drinks: Spirits belong to the pub.
@@SYAtlas excellent comment , I did my coastal skipper course on a Bavaria 46 and found it to be an excellent boat, I have my eye on a 37 🤔
Not a bad choice, either with 2 cabins and a head on port, then you get a forward facing nav, or 3 cabs but you‘ll have the nav backwards. 😢 Or you consider a 41 from 2014 onwards, then you get it all. Depends on your crew size and usage and how much space you want to feel „at home“. I recommend to go just one size bigger than you think, more speed, more stability in rougher seas. At sea you won‘t really notice the extra lenght and docking is practice practice practice. Cheers!
How about another UA-cam posting .. ? 'Bentley or Ford Focus' ? The last time I stepped aboard a Bavaria I could almost see through the hull when stepping into the heads.
I am not sure you are doing Halberg Rassy owners any favours by comparing their yachts to Bentleys , I am happy to accept that Bavaria’s are built with cost and safety in mind , remember both yachts are category A .
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu Having delivered multiple Hallberg Rassys back in my days as a delivery skipper, also driven a couple of Bentleys and been aboard a Bavaria for one short trip.. I'll take the quality of the Bentley/Hallberg Rassy on a 3000 mile trip over the Bavaria any day :>)
Good thoughts. Forever boat? There is an Apogee Chuck Paine boat for sale in MX. I had an agreement to purchase, my wife begged me to drop it. She has a leisure furl system which I consider important. 52 feet long with a singlehanded sailor in mind. Heartbeat is her name. I currently sail a Bavaria 34 in the Caribbean.
That’s a big jump from 34 to 52 , I’m going to check out those “ chuck paine “ boats , I haven’t come across them yet
I like your Bavaria 31 a lot - used to own a Bavaria 33 and it was a great little boat - but I agree to look for someting else if going to do a lot af miles offshore. I think you could be even more HAPPY looking at a cat, something like Maxim 380. It is a cheap cat, and build like a tank.
@@Lagoon380 thanks I’ll check them out , but is it suitable for a solo sailor??
I should not be able to comment on the Hallberg Rassy, but I have sailed for a few years on a Bavaria 31, the same model as yours.
Let me start by saying that it is a much better boat than the rumour.
Having said that, there is room for improvement.
Let me name some things that I have helped to change, or have been annoyed that cannot be changed.
There is too little keel weight. It is especially noticeable on crossings in strong winds and waves.
We increased the keel weight by 200 kg. and it turned out to be a much better boat.
We led all the falls back to the cockpit and changed the winch relievers to the Spinlock.
The cockpit table was removed and replaced by a removable table.
This resulted in far better working conditions in the boat during sailing.
What we couldn't change, but were annoying, were the round cockpit sides and that the cockpit sides are generally too low.
The access conditions on the side of the deck are far too narrow. So better a little less space under deck.
No, it's not a racing boat, but it was never meant to be, either.
But it is a nice touring boat, especially when you look at how much boat you get for the money.
@@TheTonny1310 Thanks for your input Tony it is very interesting, I am curious to know how you added extra weight to the keel ?
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu We made two templates (right and left side) of the keel and had them sent to a foundry that cast 2 lead castings.
I will try and find some pictures and post them on my UA-cam, but it will probably take a few days.
I should also mention that we had a boat designer to do some calculations on loads etc.
Wow Tony I’m very impressed and please send or post any pictures on your upgrades I would be very grateful.
@@TheHappySailor-xg4pu Hmmm. I am apparently not allowed to post a link for UA-cam.
But I'm just posting the video open on my UA-cam channel
TheTonny1310
So if you search TheTonny1310 Bavaria 31 the video should come up.
Ha Ha 😂 I’ll be keeping my Bavaria thanks 👍 The J & J interiors with Mahogany wood are a lot better. Bavaria used to be a furniture manufacturer so i guess the trade ran over into the yachts. My 36 doesn’t have that flimsy deck piece, I’ll show you when i get down in June to for that beer. 🍻
😂 I can buy you a beer out of the 90k I saved and hopefully I’ll have my deck sorted by June 🤔 , I didn’t know Bavaria made furniture, that’s interesting.
Let's say we have a comparison between a Mercedes Benz A and a Ford Fiesta.
If it was 3 times as expensive as a Ford Fiesta, no one would buy a Mercedes A class
@@lexus1098r It must be sad to be poor...
@@Andre-yu3qslol, big spender!
@@Andre-yu3qs if you want to own a real Mercedes: the real ones start with C-Clas. If you want to buy a good compact front weel drive car, buy an Audi, not an Mercedes A. They know how to make them for over 70 years.
But back to sail boats: if I could afford a HR, I would buy one, but an older one, as they were really made for going off shore. If I couldn't afford one, I would buy an even older boat, a Fergus, an Allegro, an Olle Enderlein, a Cape Dory. Out there are a lot of cheap old boats that are perfectly up to the task of transoceanic sailing. And can give pleasure while sailing and pride of ownership whithout breaking the bank.
@@helmrichharms2225 Personally, I've never owned anything other than Mercedes Benz, but if your intellectual capacity doesn't allow you to understand the comment, that's something else...
Well, I am Italian and know these boats, no way if you get a Southerly you get so much more..... there is no comparison, these are just the past. Seaworthiness, inside visibility at chart, variable draft with a deep draft, comfort... It is no way years ahead! Andrea
Thanks for your comment Andrea I hope to sail to Italian waters next year and I’m really looking forward it that .
It’s 31 long that’s the problem 😂
What would be your ideal size for a blue water solo boat??
Is your life worth 90000 euros? The Bavaria is a fine day sailor in sheltered waters. But if you want to go off shore the HR is a far better boat.
Quality building cost money, but remember when you go to sell the HR its depreciation will be far less than the Bavaria. Maybe the Bavaria has laminated bulkhead but are they bonded to the hull properly or just tabbed in, or worse siliconed . Bottom line is the HR is a real blue water boat while the Bavaria and all other so called production boats are marina condos or day sailors. What you are going to do with the boat should dictate the boat you buy. Bavarias and its kind are fine starter boats, get one see if you like the life style, then great a real boat.
Thanks for your input Bob , the truth is Bavaria’s are far better than most people imagine and Hallberg Rassy’s are by no means perfect.
What make of boat do you have ?
Please don’t do your next one single handed. Take me 😅, I will chip in and do the work 😉
@@ChaseTheMoments ok 👍 I’ll put you down for possible crew 😅
Sel the Bavaria 31, buy a newer and bigger Bavaria. For +€90.000 ekstra, you could get a around 36-44 feet Bavaria. So isnt the comparison how much boat you could get for €150.000? (Or how ever much of funds you have awaylable) I wouldnt cross the Atlantic in a 31 feet boat, and definetely not the Pacific. My limit is 38 feet, preferably 42 fo a around the world tour.
Great comment, thanks , have you watched sailing Jambo ? He has put a lot of ocean miles up on a Bavaria 34 . There’s a lot of misinformation on the web about Bavaria Yachts , I’d be happy to buy another Bavaria.
How can you even mention these two brands in the same sentence? It shows that you have no idea what kind of boat is right for you. Do your homework before you move on. One of these is a camper plastic budget boat with cheap finish and low quality work. The other is absolutely top of the notch on every parameter.
What make of boat do you own ?
I agree, this is like asking if you wanna buy a VW or a Bentley
Funny thing: in the end a Bentley is a Volkswagen. Nicely made, but same technology as Audi, Porsche and Volkswagen, same company.
We are still waiting for your response
I have sailed some 40 DIFFERENT yacht models as an owner, charter- and delivery skipper. Many more people should do what is done in this video, and question what you are paying for. The conclusion is a very sound one: Yachts like the HR are a good choice for people who can buy them cash without it making a dent in their budget, or for those few who don’t need a nice house or apartment because they’ll be out on the oceans (or at anchor). Speaking equally as an economist as an avid sailor: It you have to borrow money to finance your dream, buy a production yacht. The good ones are 85% the yacht for half the price.