@@danielclingen34If you're a Catholic, the Pope (literally God's messager to Earth) actually has the last say when interpreting God's doctrine - no Catholic can disagree (and if you aren't a Catholic, the hell do you know/care)
I believe the problem is that they are homosexual or heterosexual, I believe the Catholic religion is still in the past where priests have to be celibate!
Because hateful organizations need to be called out for their hatred and people deserve to be informed that , despite all the bullshit the pope said about loving, people are indeed not safe or cared about in the organization.
Funny, funny part is is that there are bishops out there that have said if they don’t let gay men be in the seminary there won’t be any more seminaries so that’ll be interesting to watch
Aristocracy could be just fine if it was actually ruled by the aristos (the best). It just normally isn’t. Just like monarchy is theoretically the best form of government if ruled by the best philosopher king, because they’d make the optimal decisions for their society more frequently than any other form, and they’d have no bureaucratic tape to cut through to make decisions. The problem is that there are very few people who have the potential to become good kings, even fewer who have the opportunity, and almost none who don’t just get capped by their jealous relatives.
@@miahsaint-georges which is why Conservatives and Fascists love Hierarchies, because unironically like cartoon villains they like anything that can spread pain and suffering to the average human
Good thing i officialy got out of this cult some months ago (and you get to make this official here in germany to get rid of church tax and the entry on your ID card).
Megachurches in the USA and churches which preach politics ought to be taxed into the stratosphere. If they obey Jesus Christ's command to keep religion and politics *SEPARATE,* then I don't think they ought to be taxed.
@Zurround No widespread problem is ever solved completely. Doing what you can to lessen the likelihood of negative outcomes is all there is. Which is why we agree that allowing priests to marry would help dramatically. I agree with you.
Many priests have clandestine adult affairs. Let’s not mix up pedophilia with adult relationships. Not having sex does not automatically result in someone assaulting children.
Well one of the reasons why it's such a massive issue to begin with boils down to... faith. What to do if you believe you are a abomination in the eyes of god? Well you try to get closer to god in order to find salvation, which means things can go two ways; Either you live out your life in celibacy... or you end up in a position where temptation is everywhere, heck the priest who molested me as a kid had over 30 victims before he finally got sentenced... reason for this was fairly simple, clueless parents letting the priest be alone with us kids while the church moved him around to avoid a scandal or at least i suspect they knew and helped him out. There's also a very good reason why especially gays and pedo's become priests. It's the perfect cover story or at least it used to be. Few people ever questions a priest, they just assume they are caring people who have sworn celibacy, hence there's no reason to suspect a forty+ year old bachelor in a world where everyone were expected to get married in their 20's just a few decades ago.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not catholic, I think the point of being a priest is the idea that you can withstand yourself from those worldly desires, essentially as an offering to god to be something pure in this world.
I'm not a Catholic by any means. Not here to deffend them in particular but which is it, anciant religion or modern day cult? I would say anciant religion. It seems to me for an anciant religion to change with the time would ruin their credibility. If you don't agree then don't join the religion just to make a point.
If you're gay and you want to get with someone you might want to know if a person is gay. Same if you're a straight person, if you know the other person is only interested in the same sex you know you don't have a shot. Other than that I agree with you.
@@markastoforoff7838 The whole problem is the stigma that forces people to keep it secret forever, when that need for secrecy shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. It used to not even exist until certain d*mb ideologies along with fanatical doofuses made it into something. A true step back and damper for our social enlightenment and freedom really.
THIS! Unpopular opinion = vowes of abstinence are not natural! Telling men they can’t have sex, especially gay men or they’ll go to hell makes you turn to these roles where they supposed their desires and use kids to take it out on. Messed up
@@duane_313Lots of things aren't natural. This is a deeply stupid line of argument that is typically invoked by the far right. The problem is power structures enabling powerful people.
Honestly, it's very much possible to be healthy without sex. Masturbation, on the other hand, might be essential to let out that sexual frustration. I'm not sure these priests do this, either.
Fact Check: Pope Francis literally replied with a handwritten letter to a gay man encouraging him to pursue his vocation after the first "F" comment. The second "F" comment was technically a "quotation". After the second comment Pope Francis met with and encouraged Father James Martin to continue with his LBGT+ positive ministry (Pope Francis also gave Martin the permission to publicly share this). The official position of the Church is not to outright ban gay men from the priesthood. It is to discourage those with what it calls "deep-seated" tendencies. This is merely a prudential judgment in keeping with the policy of priestly celibacy - which is itself a discipline of the Church (not a Dogma).
If priests are supposed to be celibate, why should it matter which sex is the source of their temptations as long as they successfully resist them? I would think traditional Catholics would prefer gay men becoming priests to them acting on their desires that they consider sinful even in a committed relationship. If gay men are wrong when they get married but are also wrong when they take on a role that means resisting their desires, when are they right?
@@jvmt8719 True! This is why the current position is to discourage from entering the priesthood only those men with what the Vatican calls "deep-seated homosexual tendencies". It goes without saying that the same would go for men with a high heterosexual drive. This would all be a part of the very lengthy discernment and formation process. There are many misunderstood nuances to the Church's teachings on these matters.
@@stanbrule9357 Fair. However, this is an entirely different discussion. To understand the Pope's role in the modern Church I would recommend the recent document, "The Bishop of Rome".
Kyle, there are LGBTQIA+-affirming religious organizations, including Independent Catholic churches. There are also plenty of bigoted right-wing atheists.
Casual reminder that Pope Francis, back when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aries, collaborated with the Argentine Military when the Junta took power in 1976. Blows my mind how he is regarded as a “liberal”
Renegade Cut has a video on the Pope on that general topic. I don't remember whether that military thing was mentioned, but I can highly recommend the video.
Collaborating with corrupt military interests seems pretty liberal to me. Let's be honest. As things stand now, liberalism is just conservatism with slightly less bigotry.
Imagine genuinely believing that the sole reason humans have had a deep connection to religion all throughout history is a “mental security blanket”. Kyle kulinski you are a modern day Socrates bro
The difference between a secular ideology(worldview) and a religious one is inspiration: One claims supernatural origin for it's ideals. You can find "dogma" everywhere. It's the radicalized, fanatical mindset that's the root cause of ideological extremes, formal or not. People are often better than the things they believe in, even if they express prejudice, because people are messy creatures.
Also, Ahimsa is an ancient Indian principle of non-violence which was mentioned in the Vedas which are at least 3000 years old and possibly 3900 years old.
I think the Catholic religion still has the ancient tradition for priests to have no romantic partners and no being heterosexual no being homosexual no being bisexual, I think they still want the priest of their religion to be aro/ace, as outdated as this view is I wouldn't be surprised if it is still the standard!
That’s what the truth and context is in this story but it’s conveniently omitted. Priests take a vow of celibacy and should stay true to that rather than lie and mess around with either hetero or gay shenanigans
@@N00bcrunch3r aromantic not having or lacking in romantic feelings asexual not having or lacking certain desires, these together are called Aro/ace it is the one group who doesn't need a partner we can be happy with just a pet cat and a peaceful life, voluntary celibacy in other words.
@@OvarosX Yes but the Church doesn't care if priests HAVE sexual desires or not, just that they remain celibate. And it's perfectly possible to be voluntarily celibate and still have sexual desires.
@@N00bcrunch3r considering how many Catholic priests failed the test the American culture that considers celibacy as a personal failure, I as an actual Aro/ace find it hard to believe that anyone who is not born aro/ace have the ability to be voluntary celibate, it seems to be asking too much of people!
Spare me.. you don’t care about abuse. Otherwise you would bring up the public schools far before the church. All you care about is fueling your hate for Christian’s
Another one of the problems with the Catholic Church is celibacy. It wasn't always like that. They switched so they wouldn't have to support families of the clergy, they were being cheap. Nothing to do with devotion to God.
Neat little reminder of why this channel is called Secular Talk. So many political issues where the invisible man gets trotted out and suddenly you’re supposed to respect the most asinine arguments you’ve ever heard. Faith is wilful ignorance and unshakable arrogance trying to pass itself off as humbleness.
"Peddlers" exist everywhere, but there are certainly positions of power that seem to attract them. And religious leaders are at the top of that list. The Church of England is an excellent example.
He's the Pope; regardless of how''progressive'' he might seem, he's bound by his vows and beliefs to uphold the doctrine of the Church. Whether we like it or not, anything he's said with regard to gay people is merely his being consistent on Church teachings - although the language which he used was fairly blunt; it is, in essence what most devout Catholics believe. The head of the Catholic Church coming out with something like this should come as no surprise to anyone. Now, if it were AOC or someone whose entire brand is built upon being a progressive, caught on a hot mic saying similar but in relation to the Democratic party, then it would be breaking news. The Church will never become a bastian of secular progressivism, for the simple reason that such beliefs directly conflict with the purpose and teachings of the Church. It survived the Great Schism, the Reformation and all the related religious wars down the centuries because it remained stubbornly immovable - that's whay its relatively still intact. The notion that one man will upend a system that is two thousand years in the making in the span of his Papacy, due to pressure from modern day online activists is naive, to say the least. People should be focused on what can be changed for the better within society, and let the religious organisations do their own thing. If we don't like the Church - or religion in general - then we're not compelled to be part of it.
@@jimbob498 We can find example after example of exactly what I said. This clip of how even a "liberal" pope resorts to middle school level slurs is clear. Religion has no basis in truth and simply muddles one's ability to discern what's real much less what's moral. If you dislike what I'm saying, whatever, but it's no more arrogant than any evangelist out there and at least I've got evidence on my side.
@@DumahAtreides There is no problem with the slur. Homosexuality deserves zero respect . It offers nothing to society. That doesn’t mean criminalize those that partake in homosexuality. But it sure does mean there is no reason to celebrate it So no you have no evidence on your side. You have your emotions
A lot of priests, bishops, friars, etc. are probably gay. Celibate, but still gay. And no, I’m not talking about the pedos. Back in the day, it wasn’t uncommon for young men who were a little “different” to become seminarians. I know of one who did. Though he eventually left the Catholic Church for the Episcopal Church, and he is now an openly gay and happily married Episcopalian priest.
The Pope's outfit was designed by a homosexual many centuries ago. I guarantee one bishop was devout to the Pope because he wanted to Biblically know him, but channeled his lustful desires into tailoring.
Why is this even something he had to address? Doesn't the Catholic church want its priesthood to basically be asexual? They aren't supposed to marry, have sex, or anything.
“Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers”
Good one!
AMEN
My stars and garters! That's good.
😂😂
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Breaking news. Religious leader occasionally says things consistent with his religion.
what a bunch of maggots
He says things that are not consistent with the Christ he claims to follow.
@@danielclingen34 My brother in Christ have you read the Bible's views on non-straight people?
this is not news. must be a slow news day. What's the status on Israel's invasion of Rafah?
@@danielclingen34If you're a Catholic, the Pope (literally God's messager to Earth) actually has the last say when interpreting God's doctrine - no Catholic can disagree (and if you aren't a Catholic, the hell do you know/care)
I love how funny Kyle is, he makes watching the news entertaining!!
He also missed the point where, for literally centuries, gay men have actually been ENCOURAGED to enter the Catholic Priesthood. 🙄🤦🏻♂️
That was done in the context that they leave their sin behind. They were to save their gay heart for Jesus alone and no longer desire an Earthly man.
You skipped a very important part there.
@@Novusod That worked well. 😏
For hundreds of years, the early church blessed gay marriages, too.
Do you mean encouraged to join because of their abstinence requirement?
Kyle, the abuse is still ongoing
1:25 he knows
He knows
He doth protest too much, you know what that means. The call is coming from inside the house.
Wouldnt be surprised. He needs to come out already, we will love and accept him for living his truth
I believe the problem is that they are homosexual or heterosexual, I believe the Catholic religion is still in the past where priests have to be celibate!
@@OvarosX The age of the average pope means they've all effectively been castrated by father time.
Whosoever hath smelt it, thou hast dealt it.
Krystal's boyfriend moved in?
Maybe people shouldn't seek moral guidance from an absolute monarch
What if it’s just an old italian way to say ‘a bundle of pasta’?
Mamma mia
*gesticulation*
Not sure why this is news. It’s the Catholic Church it’s in the book.
Because hateful organizations need to be called out for their hatred and people deserve to be informed that , despite all the bullshit the pope said about loving, people are indeed not safe or cared about in the organization.
so is giving your wife 'bitter water' to make her miscarry if she cheats on you.... i dont think its really about the book
Because theres many many catholics and christians who dont follow hateful conduct.
@@Masaru_kunhomophobia is written in that book.
@@maxsmart9116 Books don't make people prejudice, money and power determine the dominant interpretation
Funny, funny part is is that there are bishops out there that have said if they don’t let gay men be in the seminary there won’t be any more seminaries so that’ll be interesting to watch
Heheh, you said seminary
Aristocracy is terrible in all its forms
Authoritarianism disguised as a religion...
@@miahsaint-georgeseven concert orchestras?
Aristocracy could be just fine if it was actually ruled by the aristos (the best). It just normally isn’t.
Just like monarchy is theoretically the best form of government if ruled by the best philosopher king, because they’d make the optimal decisions for their society more frequently than any other form, and they’d have no bureaucratic tape to cut through to make decisions. The problem is that there are very few people who have the potential to become good kings, even fewer who have the opportunity, and almost none who don’t just get capped by their jealous relatives.
UA-cam, you should be ashamed of yourselves for the comments you are deleting.
@@miahsaint-georges which is why Conservatives and Fascists love Hierarchies, because unironically like cartoon villains they like anything that can spread pain and suffering to the average human
"Treat others the way you want to be treated" breaks down everytime when power is involved and someone wants to hold on to it.
Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry corrected the catholic church on this topic several times
Good thing i officialy got out of this cult some months ago (and you get to make this official here in germany to get rid of church tax and the entry on your ID card).
Please tell us about this church tax, what is that and how much is it and where does the money go?
Yes, I'm always interested to learn about the laws in other countries where religions are concerned. Please elaborate.
Congratulations on your escape! Sending healing thoughts.
Megachurches in the USA and churches which preach politics ought to be taxed into the stratosphere. If they obey Jesus Christ's command to keep religion and politics *SEPARATE,* then I don't think they ought to be taxed.
One of the good things about the Israel-Palestine war, is that I found this channel. God bless you brother
Almost like tying your morality to a book written a couple thousand years ago will be missing some ideas that came up since then.
The pedos in the Church are a huge issue, sure. But not allowing priests to marry is the truest culprit. Who do they think they're going to get?
I totally agree with you on the marriage issue but married pedos do exist so allowing priests to be married won't completely solve that problem.
@Zurround No widespread problem is ever solved completely. Doing what you can to lessen the likelihood of negative outcomes is all there is. Which is why we agree that allowing priests to marry would help dramatically. I agree with you.
Many priests have clandestine adult affairs. Let’s not mix up pedophilia with adult relationships. Not having sex does not automatically result in someone assaulting children.
Well one of the reasons why it's such a massive issue to begin with boils down to... faith. What to do if you believe you are a abomination in the eyes of god? Well you try to get closer to god in order to find salvation, which means things can go two ways; Either you live out your life in celibacy... or you end up in a position where temptation is everywhere, heck the priest who molested me as a kid had over 30 victims before he finally got sentenced... reason for this was fairly simple, clueless parents letting the priest be alone with us kids while the church moved him around to avoid a scandal or at least i suspect they knew and helped him out.
There's also a very good reason why especially gays and pedo's become priests. It's the perfect cover story or at least it used to be. Few people ever questions a priest, they just assume they are caring people who have sworn celibacy, hence there's no reason to suspect a forty+ year old bachelor in a world where everyone were expected to get married in their 20's just a few decades ago.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not catholic, I think the point of being a priest is the idea that you can withstand yourself from those worldly desires, essentially as an offering to god to be something pure in this world.
I'm not a Catholic by any means. Not here to deffend them in particular but which is it, anciant religion or modern day cult? I would say anciant religion. It seems to me for an anciant religion to change with the time would ruin their credibility. If you don't agree then don't join the religion just to make a point.
Duh no one joins a religion( unless they are seeking stupid) they born into it from that kind of family.
What credibility? And where exactly is the supposed distinction between religion and cult?
Lmaooo
This pope is lowkey hilarious 😂
😂😂😂
He's simply out of touch with reality, surrounded by worshippers.
As a gay man, frocciagine has become one of my favorite words
How can someone dressed like he is possibly have an issue with homosexuality?
Wow, you are so studied and so well traveled!
And you are great at taking jokes.
@@michaelpepe4899 oh so you’re an attack comic
No I think you're just hypersensitive
Yea Kyle, they're not gay they're Seminally Fluid!
Why do people even give a crap about who's gay or not? Why does that sht even matter? Just give me one reason why I should care.
Because some garbage book written by primitives thousands of years ago says it's bad.
If you're gay and you want to get with someone you might want to know if a person is gay. Same if you're a straight person, if you know the other person is only interested in the same sex you know you don't have a shot. Other than that I agree with you.
@@markastoforoff7838 The whole problem is the stigma that forces people to keep it secret forever, when that need for secrecy shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. It used to not even exist until certain d*mb ideologies along with fanatical doofuses made it into something. A true step back and damper for our social enlightenment and freedom really.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for young men to enjoy
@@joefilter2923 Bad song
Call me a perpetual 12-year old, but the words "fgtry" and "fgtness" will ALWAYS make me laugh 😂
They’re just funny 😂
Same lol
Must be nice.
Yikes buddy
Me too. I use it to describe some stuff I do I find hilarious as a gay dude. Stereotypes can be funny. 😂
A grown man is not supposed to be going his entire adulthood without sex.. That is the main problem right there..
What?! No! You seem to be saying it's OK to SA children (or anyone) because you have a case of blue balls. That is just f'd up.
THIS! Unpopular opinion = vowes of abstinence are not natural!
Telling men they can’t have sex, especially gay men or they’ll go to hell makes you turn to these roles where they supposed their desires and use kids to take it out on. Messed up
They don’t have to join a cult of misogynistic monks.
@@duane_313Lots of things aren't natural. This is a deeply stupid line of argument that is typically invoked by the far right.
The problem is power structures enabling powerful people.
Honestly, it's very much possible to be healthy without sex. Masturbation, on the other hand, might be essential to let out that sexual frustration. I'm not sure these priests do this, either.
willing to take queer money but not let them in the club how nice of them
Dudes going full Tony soprano but I mean the dude is like 105 years old lol.
Fact Check: Pope Francis literally replied with a handwritten letter to a gay man encouraging him to pursue his vocation after the first "F" comment. The second "F" comment was technically a "quotation". After the second comment Pope Francis met with and encouraged Father James Martin to continue with his LBGT+ positive ministry (Pope Francis also gave Martin the permission to publicly share this). The official position of the Church is not to outright ban gay men from the priesthood. It is to discourage those with what it calls "deep-seated" tendencies. This is merely a prudential judgment in keeping with the policy of priestly celibacy - which is itself a discipline of the Church (not a Dogma).
If priests are supposed to be celibate, why should it matter which sex is the source of their temptations as long as they successfully resist them? I would think traditional Catholics would prefer gay men becoming priests to them acting on their desires that they consider sinful even in a committed relationship. If gay men are wrong when they get married but are also wrong when they take on a role that means resisting their desires, when are they right?
@@jvmt8719 True! This is why the current position is to discourage from entering the priesthood only those men with what the Vatican calls "deep-seated homosexual tendencies". It goes without saying that the same would go for men with a high heterosexual drive. This would all be a part of the very lengthy discernment and formation process. There are many misunderstood nuances to the Church's teachings on these matters.
@@jvmt8719 you go, girl
This would be more outrageous if the Pope to me wasn't just some guy
@@stanbrule9357 Fair. However, this is an entirely different discussion. To understand the Pope's role in the modern Church I would recommend the recent document, "The Bishop of Rome".
I love you too Kyle
Even an atheist like me respects this.
You are fabulous!!! So direct, so clear, such common sense 👏
Kyle, there are LGBTQIA+-affirming religious organizations, including Independent Catholic churches. There are also plenty of bigoted right-wing atheists.
Like the entire new athiest movement
Hence why we’d all be better off without religion.
*Kristin Chenoweth* has always been outspoken about being pro lgbt! Love her ❤
Pope Francis is Che Guevara compared to his predecessor Ratzinger, a former Hitler Youth who occasionally sounded like a Crusader-era Pope.
I am reminded of a South Park sketch.
Did he get the Fetterman injury?
Nah, Bill Maher
No, his condition is much worse than that. He's religious.
You don’t have to join a church to live by the teachings of Jesus.
take my money!
Wasn’t it Andrew Sullivan who wrote in The Atlantic that his Gaydar went wild when walking the Vatican grounds?
That is the most Secular Talk ass golf shirt 😂😂
Casual reminder that Pope Francis, back when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aries, collaborated with the Argentine Military when the Junta took power in 1976.
Blows my mind how he is regarded as a “liberal”
Renegade Cut has a video on the Pope on that general topic. I don't remember whether that military thing was mentioned, but I can highly recommend the video.
Collaborating with corrupt military interests seems pretty liberal to me. Let's be honest. As things stand now, liberalism is just conservatism with slightly less bigotry.
That's not true.
I'm just amazed people are surprised by this. The Leopard does not change its spots.
Ironic that you lump MLK Jr. in with LGBTQ supporters. While he had many progressive ideals, he viewed homosexuality as "a problem"
And did was not as faithful to his wife as he was to the church if you know what I mean
@@jakestumm4101A lot of people are problematic when you really dig but I will take that considering what he gave his life up for.
This.
Catholics not going after children challenge, impossible.
Imagine genuinely believing that the sole reason humans have had a deep connection to religion all throughout history is a “mental security blanket”.
Kyle kulinski you are a modern day Socrates bro
The difference between a secular ideology(worldview) and a religious one is inspiration: One claims supernatural origin for it's ideals.
You can find "dogma" everywhere. It's the radicalized, fanatical mindset that's the root cause of ideological extremes, formal or not.
People are often better than the things they believe in, even if they express prejudice, because people are messy creatures.
Do we need a framework for good behavior or shall we just follow our instinct?
I'm glad Kyle called modern religions cults; that is exactly what they are as I have been saying for decades.
Yeah, there is no difference between religion and a cult.
Pot calling the kettle black. 😂
That's racist against potheads.
Philophers like Socrates, Plato, and Confucius preaced what Jesus preached hundreds of years before he roamed the earth.
Also, Ahimsa is an ancient Indian principle of non-violence which was mentioned in the Vedas which are at least 3000 years old and possibly 3900 years old.
Lots of LGBT people I know thought this was hilarious and harmless and even a little bit true
I think he might be part of our community 😭 he doesn’t need an F word pass
Yes!!!! Preach it Kyle!
Lmfao the thumbnail
I think the Catholic religion still has the ancient tradition for priests to have no romantic partners and no being heterosexual no being homosexual no being bisexual, I think they still want the priest of their religion to be aro/ace, as outdated as this view is I wouldn't be surprised if it is still the standard!
"I think they still want the priest of their religion to be aro/ace" The term is "celibate".
That’s what the truth and context is in this story but it’s conveniently omitted. Priests take a vow of celibacy and should stay true to that rather than lie and mess around with either hetero or gay shenanigans
@@N00bcrunch3r aromantic not having or lacking in romantic feelings asexual not having or lacking certain desires, these together are called Aro/ace it is the one group who doesn't need a partner we can be happy with just a pet cat and a peaceful life, voluntary celibacy in other words.
@@OvarosX Yes but the Church doesn't care if priests HAVE sexual desires or not, just that they remain celibate.
And it's perfectly possible to be voluntarily celibate and still have sexual desires.
@@N00bcrunch3r considering how many Catholic priests failed the test the American culture that considers celibacy as a personal failure, I as an actual Aro/ace find it hard to believe that anyone who is not born aro/ace have the ability to be voluntary celibate, it seems to be asking too much of people!
Thanks!
testify brother!!
My Dad always said that everything you need to live a good like is Bambi.
They want gay money Lok. That's all they've ever cared about.
Exactly. It really is this simple.
You go girl
Remember Kyle said: You are objectively wrong if you like fall and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Catholic church sexual abuse settlements: The figure is north of $3 Billion just in the USA.
Spare me.. you don’t care about abuse. Otherwise you would bring up the public schools far before the church. All you care about is fueling your hate for Christian’s
I just love your platform. 😊
FYI, the Vatican opposed the establishment of the Israeli state in 1948.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
4:02 YES LET'S GO.
We don't need to refer to words with a letter.
Dutch comedian once said (in Dutch): If you don't play the game, you should meddle with the rules.
Another one of the problems with the Catholic Church is celibacy. It wasn't always like that. They switched so they wouldn't have to support families of the clergy, they were being cheap. Nothing to do with devotion to God.
There's an air of f...tness in religion and there's an air of r...dation in conservatism.
Thanks❤
Neat little reminder of why this channel is called Secular Talk. So many political issues where the invisible man gets trotted out and suddenly you’re supposed to respect the most asinine arguments you’ve ever heard.
Faith is wilful ignorance and unshakable arrogance trying to pass itself off as humbleness.
"Peddlers" exist everywhere, but there are certainly positions of power that seem to attract them. And religious leaders are at the top of that list. The Church of England is an excellent example.
The Pope = The GOAT
hes a big fan of this word
Needs to stop saying it
Honestly still a based take by this pope
Bro got the Vatican and my bedroom confused
This is hilarious to me
At least he was honest
Based pope francis, he always toes the line with almost going against church teaching and then goes ultra based to make up for it
why would a man dye his hair blond and use the f word in every other sentence ???
Why not? And who cares?
Who are they to say gay people can’t enter something they named the semenary smh
He's the Pope; regardless of how''progressive'' he might seem, he's bound by his vows and beliefs to uphold the doctrine of the Church. Whether we like it or not, anything he's said with regard to gay people is merely his being consistent on Church teachings - although the language which he used was fairly blunt; it is, in essence what most devout Catholics believe. The head of the Catholic Church coming out with something like this should come as no surprise to anyone. Now, if it were AOC or someone whose entire brand is built upon being a progressive, caught on a hot mic saying similar but in relation to the Democratic party, then it would be breaking news.
The Church will never become a bastian of secular progressivism, for the simple reason that such beliefs directly conflict with the purpose and teachings of the Church. It survived the Great Schism, the Reformation and all the related religious wars down the centuries because it remained stubbornly immovable - that's whay its relatively still intact. The notion that one man will upend a system that is two thousand years in the making in the span of his Papacy, due to pressure from modern day online activists is naive, to say the least.
People should be focused on what can be changed for the better within society, and let the religious organisations do their own thing. If we don't like the Church - or religion in general - then we're not compelled to be part of it.
Also the reason the abuse scandal happened in the church was an infiltration of the alphabet army
Lmao. He realized the slippery slope argument isn’t just a fallacy.
And just like that, he is embraced by the right overnight.
As time goes by I find I am more comfortable with the easier to understand Islam.
Imagine having this guy as your husband 😂😂😂
Pope said even non believers can get into heaven lol.
It would be nice if bemoaned all of the PD files in his organization
Dude, that shirt? Come on son!
Make sure EVERYONE gets what's owed 😎💅
I think it’s Semenary not Seminary where Catholics learn to worship 😂
It's "Seminary". The other word isn't one with a meaning.
Absolutely - morality doesn't come from religion. Religion is what stops one's morality from fully maturing.
You sound even more arrogant than trump
@@jimbob498 We can find example after example of exactly what I said. This clip of how even a "liberal" pope resorts to middle school level slurs is clear. Religion has no basis in truth and simply muddles one's ability to discern what's real much less what's moral. If you dislike what I'm saying, whatever, but it's no more arrogant than any evangelist out there and at least I've got evidence on my side.
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There is no problem with the slur. Homosexuality deserves zero respect . It offers nothing to society. That doesn’t mean criminalize those that partake in homosexuality. But it sure does mean there is no reason to celebrate it
So no you have no evidence on your side. You have your emotions
Get up, come get down with the “ “
A lot of priests, bishops, friars, etc. are probably gay. Celibate, but still gay. And no, I’m not talking about the pedos.
Back in the day, it wasn’t uncommon for young men who were a little “different” to become seminarians. I know of one who did. Though he eventually left the Catholic Church for the Episcopal Church, and he is now an openly gay and happily married Episcopalian priest.
Are we sure he didn't said VAGUENESS???
The Pope's outfit was designed by a homosexual many centuries ago. I guarantee one bishop was devout to the Pope because he wanted to Biblically know him, but channeled his lustful desires into tailoring.
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What color beads do you want Timmy..?
Bi-polar Pope. This is the Kanye of Catholics.
Why is this even something he had to address? Doesn't the Catholic church want its priesthood to basically be asexual? They aren't supposed to marry, have sex, or anything.
If you're in the Seminary, presumably you have taken an oath of chastity, right? So with what part of being gay is the Pope taking issue?
based pope