have the dups run on the generator thingy lol. i have grown too reliant on polluted water cause of my spider web of pipes. now i have to devise ways of getting polluted water in my tank.
I followed your template and it worked like a charm. Thank you. I am now cooling the half of my planetoid using this one aquatuner. Will try cooling the other half as well with it too.
Thanks man. Been trying to get this work, I just don't have enough diamonds so I mixed it up with metal tiles. It's been running now two cycles fine so far so I'm going to go do something else with my dupes.
The two thermo sensors need to be offset because of the aquatuner beneath one turbine. The heat from the aquatuner keeps the steam temperature underneath that turbine higher than the farthest turbine. By my observation, for the exact setup given here, the thermo senser beneath the turbine with the aquatuner underneath needs to be kept at 220C while the away thermo senser be kept at 200C. I tried the same setup with five steam turbines, and the offset was by 80C (that is 280C and 200C). Thank you so much for the design.
The main problem of the core geothermal power plants is that they are too complicated to be temporary, but they actually are temporary. The magma around your tempshift kernel will freeze quite soon, and the thermal conductivity of rock created this way is significantly lower than this power plant requires. The moment when magma turns into rock is the last day of your PP, and when rock's temperature is under 500° it's actually the death. I haven't seen any reasonable solutions that would solve this problem, and wouldn't require extreme volumes of resources and time. I can build three or four PP of other type instead, and they will be literally eternal
Thanks so much, it's been years since I've wanted something like that instead of 300 Doors with auto Let's put some green energy in this base guys ! ;)
I made the mistake of putting crude oil on the floor with the turbines, rather than water, and that caused the turbines to over heat at any temp over 170c for the thermo sensors, even with full radiant pipes around the turbines. After cleaning that up and putting water in, the temp issue went away and I was able to use the proper settings.
Diamond is needed for the drillcone. There's an achievement for mining a certain amount of mass from asteroids. What if we had a thin layer of crude oil on top of the diamond below the steam turbines? Would it flash to sour gas, or is it likely stable as crude oil?
the glass can actually go above 500, especially when turning it on for the first time so i wouldnt risk it. also the larger the glass section above the door, the higher temps that part can go- so its a bit risky
As a total noob I would've wanted you to tell me what temperature to have the liquid pipe thermo sensor at. I think I figured it out but it would feel better that way since I dont trust myself! :) Otherwise great video as always. Thanks!
thanks for point that out- that just totally slipped my mind and i didnt even know i missed going over that. incase you wanted more info, heres a video that goes more into the subject: ua-cam.com/video/JxO6qv8VSx4/v-deo.html
@@Teasuti Oh no I meant the thermo sensor running into the aquatuner. I don't think he said that. The protection he talked about in the end had 275°C until it turned green.
Why use an acquatuner - can't the steam turbines be self-cooled - maybe radiant gas piping needed? Also why not drop the return water on top of the heat spike ie in the middle rather than on the side - should lead to more even temperature? Also you can use the diagonal build trick to make a plastic temperature shift plate (where the only hot thing is diagonal to the build location. The plastic TSP will draw heat diagonally and then melt into naphtha. At that point it stops being a temperature shift plate and stops drawing heat diagonally. Naphtha is second only to Viscogel (space materials) for liquid locks.
self coolilng steam turbines doesnt work past a certain temperature point because it breaks the balance and the steam turbine stops running. the aquatuner is needed. with the tempshift plates, it doesnt matter where the water is dropped. crude oil is easily the best liquid lock liquid imo due to having the highest g/mol value. while naptha is is pretty good, visco gel is very bad when it comes to liquid locks
If you don't want to use aquatuners you can use 265 degree steam and use the water from the turbines to cool themselves. You get less power but you don't have to spend 1200watts just on cooling.
i believe that 265 value is in Fahrenheit. i would not recommend using a self cooling steam turbine design with a geothermal heat source as temperature control of steam is harder to fine tune. the self cooling steam turbine is very volatile and can break with just a 5c temperature increase, and when your pulling heat from a 1200c+ heat, that can happen in an instant
While the magma core won't last forever, the minor volcanos and normal volcano will. They are all clustered fairly close. I read it's 2 turbines per minor volcano and 4 for regular making 10 for constant energy, but how many extra turbines + aquatuners are needed to cool the igneous rock consistent to the rate of volcanic eruption, for stone hatches or crushing into sand for pwater offgassing (need the ceramics...). I suspect simply 4 more won't be enough.
it depends on how low youre willing to go with the igneous temp- i have a video that auto condenses the magma into igneous and extract that via molten lead pool, so you could go as low as 150c~ from the steam turbines drawing power
if the turbines are running 24/7, even though you have max power in batteries, you're effectively just burning off the power which lowers the temperature overall and shortens the lifespan of the geothermal plant. while the lifespan of a geothermal plant is tied to RNG (size of magma pool, shape, etc) and they tend to have long life, they do eventually run out
Can't believe I encountered a bug after using mine for a few mins lmao, my door was open but heat was still being transferred. Just reloaded my game and rerolled it. It's probably because I'm playing on a weak ass laptop on cycle 540, my frames don't ever go up past 30 lmao
@@Fennetic i havent considered adding more doors, but that would reduce the chance of it happening. there was a time period where this bug was fixed- but since it has resurfaced i've been opting to not build geothermal power builds
@@2LegitCity I see, thanks for the input! I'm really short on power so I guess I'll just have to deal with it when the time comes. Love your videos btw, helped me a lot as a beginner!
i dont understand why goe thermal keeps on spiking to 1000.i followed your design to the letter.yet my steel door continues to transfer heat when its open and in a total vacuum.the automation wire is at the same temperature as the door as well even inside the steam room whats going on.but i reload at a save before the temp spike it works fine.but after awhile its flashes to 1000 without warning,its still totally sealed where the magma is
thats most likely the "door bug" thats been happening recently. basically the door is "open" and shouldnt transfer heat but for some reason the game still allows for heat transfer. this notably only happens when the game is laggy & simulating on any speed higher than 1x. as you stated, save & loading the game fixes it. so youre not at fault and ive lost a geothermal setup that i sealed up as well- hopefully klei is able to fix it
@@2LegitCity I used your design and got the same problem every 50-100 cycles. You can solve the problem by powered the automated door. Then is state is correct.
Hi, is it possible to use this system (adjusting the temperature sensors) for a petroleum boiler? My Asteroid (vanilla game) doesn't have (or I haven't found) volcanoes.
not exactly this, but you kind of can. there are concepts i would roll over to a petroleum boiler build but there is alot of things i would add and modify
srry m8 i have a question, why would u put the aqua tunner inside the steam chamber and not outside? i know that u use the aqua tunner to produce heat but if u have the magma template, why would u need the aqua tunner inside?
think it about it the other way, the aquatuner generates heat yes, but also needs to be cooled down. the cooling buildings of either the aquatuner or thermo regulator both generate alot of heat but only do that because of the amount of cooling theyre providing. so if i were to put it outside it work break instantly and the steam turbines would break as a result
Wait what? Obsidian not conductive? Number beg to differ. Obsidian has the conductivity of 2,000 while ig. rock and magma has 1,000. What you might have meant is that there is less energy in obsidian due to it's lower mass per tile and 5x lower SHC; a tile of obsidian has about 10x less energy in it than a tile of magma assuming they are at the same temp, and they are in core.
my bad, i tend to compare conductivity across all solids so that 2.000 is going against diamonds 80.000 or aluminium's 205.000. i was also considering how heat transfer would work and spoke without explaining deeper into the thought process. basically the equation for heat transfer, the liquid to liquid heat transfer is faster than the liquid to solid heat transfer. you are correct in how the obsidian holds less thermal energy comparatively to the magma due to how SHC values.
What would we do without Steam Turbines?
Harness heat from launches of rockets ?
@@09yeahAZ but you cant do that without steam turbines
@@2LegitCity sorry Bad Reading ! Steam turbines are NECESSARY
have the dups run on the generator thingy lol. i have grown too reliant on polluted water cause of my spider web of pipes. now i have to devise ways of getting polluted water in my tank.
Steam turbine are carrying many colonies. They are pretty much the only way to delete heat
I followed your template and it worked like a charm. Thank you. I am now cooling the half of my planetoid using this one aquatuner. Will try cooling the other half as well with it too.
Thanks man. Been trying to get this work, I just don't have enough diamonds so I mixed it up with metal tiles. It's been running now two cycles fine so far so I'm going to go do something else with my dupes.
The two thermo sensors need to be offset because of the aquatuner beneath one turbine. The heat from the aquatuner keeps the steam temperature underneath that turbine higher than the farthest turbine. By my observation, for the exact setup given here, the thermo senser beneath the turbine with the aquatuner underneath needs to be kept at 220C while the away thermo senser be kept at 200C. I tried the same setup with five steam turbines, and the offset was by 80C (that is 280C and 200C). Thank you so much for the design.
The main problem of the core geothermal power plants is that they are too complicated to be temporary, but they actually are temporary. The magma around your tempshift kernel will freeze quite soon, and the thermal conductivity of rock created this way is significantly lower than this power plant requires. The moment when magma turns into rock is the last day of your PP, and when rock's temperature is under 500° it's actually the death. I haven't seen any reasonable solutions that would solve this problem, and wouldn't require extreme volumes of resources and time. I can build three or four PP of other type instead, and they will be literally eternal
Future video suggestions: Taming your minor volcanoes for igneous rock to feed stone hatches. Also, taming a Sulfur Geyser to feed sweetles.
sulfur on the way actually :eyes:
I’ve got my sulfur geysers dripping into a pool of crude oil. It’s space inefficient, but it’s easy.
@@dehb1ue i do the same thing :)
thanks, it was a big problem for me in game
should i do more how to build videos? i tend to lean towards just showing off the concept/design instead
Kudos for allowing your dupes to do cleanup duties taking those abyssalite debris up into the airlock to boil the liquid lock.
never scared
Thanks so much, it's been years since I've wanted something like that instead of 300 Doors with auto
Let's put some green energy in this base guys ! ;)
Best video yet!
I like that this is literally a Rankine cycle, which is what real power plants use
if is litterally the rankine cycle, then i 100% created it by accident cause i don't know what that is
thanks for easy and detailed videoguide.
Good explanation. Very good
I really like this design compared to the 1 tiled those minmaxing lego looking layouts out there. Very aesthetically pleasing!
Great video :)
thanks!
I made the mistake of putting crude oil on the floor with the turbines, rather than water, and that caused the turbines to over heat at any temp over 170c for the thermo sensors, even with full radiant pipes around the turbines. After cleaning that up and putting water in, the temp issue went away and I was able to use the proper settings.
Diamond is needed for the drillcone. There's an achievement for mining a certain amount of mass from asteroids. What if we had a thin layer of crude oil on top of the diamond below the steam turbines? Would it flash to sour gas, or is it likely stable as crude oil?
the glass can actually go above 500, especially when turning it on for the first time so i wouldnt risk it. also the larger the glass section above the door, the higher temps that part can go- so its a bit risky
Wonderful.
As a total noob I would've wanted you to tell me what temperature to have the liquid pipe thermo sensor at. I think I figured it out but it would feel better that way since I dont trust myself! :) Otherwise great video as always. Thanks!
thanks for point that out- that just totally slipped my mind and i didnt even know i missed going over that. incase you wanted more info, heres a video that goes more into the subject: ua-cam.com/video/JxO6qv8VSx4/v-deo.html
He mentioned that. 200°C for the door automation and 170 for the AT thermal runaway protection.
@@Teasuti Oh really? Must've missed that even after all those replays. Thanks!
@@LithePaper I think it was 270 for the AT? Can't recall, but 270 would make more sense, when it's made of steel.
@@Teasuti Oh no I meant the thermo sensor running into the aquatuner. I don't think he said that. The protection he talked about in the end had 275°C until it turned green.
you sound like lock picking lawyer
Why use an acquatuner - can't the steam turbines be self-cooled - maybe radiant gas piping needed? Also why not drop the return water on top of the heat spike ie in the middle rather than on the side - should lead to more even temperature? Also you can use the diagonal build trick to make a plastic temperature shift plate (where the only hot thing is diagonal to the build location. The plastic TSP will draw heat diagonally and then melt into naphtha. At that point it stops being a temperature shift plate and stops drawing heat diagonally. Naphtha is second only to Viscogel (space materials) for liquid locks.
self coolilng steam turbines doesnt work past a certain temperature point because it breaks the balance and the steam turbine stops running. the aquatuner is needed.
with the tempshift plates, it doesnt matter where the water is dropped.
crude oil is easily the best liquid lock liquid imo due to having the highest g/mol value. while naptha is is pretty good, visco gel is very bad when it comes to liquid locks
If you don't want to use aquatuners you can use 265 degree steam and use the water from the turbines to cool themselves. You get less power but you don't have to spend 1200watts just on cooling.
i believe that 265 value is in Fahrenheit. i would not recommend using a self cooling steam turbine design with a geothermal heat source as temperature control of steam is harder to fine tune. the self cooling steam turbine is very volatile and can break with just a 5c temperature increase, and when your pulling heat from a 1200c+ heat, that can happen in an instant
While the magma core won't last forever, the minor volcanos and normal volcano will. They are all clustered fairly close. I read it's 2 turbines per minor volcano and 4 for regular making 10 for constant energy, but how many extra turbines + aquatuners are needed to cool the igneous rock consistent to the rate of volcanic eruption, for stone hatches or crushing into sand for pwater offgassing (need the ceramics...). I suspect simply 4 more won't be enough.
it depends on how low youre willing to go with the igneous temp- i have a video that auto condenses the magma into igneous and extract that via molten lead pool, so you could go as low as 150c~ from the steam turbines drawing power
ok im confused tho why would you ever want to turn off the steam turbines tho?
if the turbines are running 24/7, even though you have max power in batteries, you're effectively just burning off the power which lowers the temperature overall and shortens the lifespan of the geothermal plant. while the lifespan of a geothermal plant is tied to RNG (size of magma pool, shape, etc) and they tend to have long life, they do eventually run out
@@2LegitCity sure but doesnt the aqua tuners delete heat from your base tho? but i got you the only reason is to conserve some of that heat energy
Can't believe I encountered a bug after using mine for a few mins lmao, my door was open but heat was still being transferred. Just reloaded my game and rerolled it. It's probably because I'm playing on a weak ass laptop on cycle 540, my frames don't ever go up past 30 lmao
im not sure if thaty bug is frame related- as ive ran into the same problem-albeit on higher cycles
@@2LegitCity interesting! Have you tried adding more doors before? Or is it so rare that I should just forget about it?
@@Fennetic i havent considered adding more doors, but that would reduce the chance of it happening. there was a time period where this bug was fixed- but since it has resurfaced i've been opting to not build geothermal power builds
@@2LegitCity I see, thanks for the input! I'm really short on power so I guess I'll just have to deal with it when the time comes. Love your videos btw, helped me a lot as a beginner!
@@2LegitCity heyyo, just wanted to tell you. It worked great after adding power to the door! It's already been running for 304 cycles with no issues!
What temperature would you recommend for the liquid thermo sensor connected to the aquatuner?
i like to have it at 20c, using water or its variants
Did they make a change? Obsidian is now more thermally conducive than magma.
thats only when you look at the stats of thermal conductivity. i'm also considering the heat transfer equations.
i dont understand why goe thermal keeps on spiking to 1000.i followed your design to the letter.yet my steel door continues to transfer heat when its open and in a total vacuum.the automation wire is at the same temperature as the door as well even inside the steam room whats going on.but i reload at a save before the temp spike it works fine.but after awhile its flashes to 1000 without warning,its still totally sealed where the magma is
thats most likely the "door bug" thats been happening recently.
basically the door is "open" and shouldnt transfer heat but for some reason the game still allows for heat transfer. this notably only happens when the game is laggy & simulating on any speed higher than 1x. as you stated, save & loading the game fixes it.
so youre not at fault and ive lost a geothermal setup that i sealed up as well- hopefully klei is able to fix it
@@2LegitCity thks mate
@@2LegitCity I used your design and got the same problem every 50-100 cycles. You can solve the problem by powered the automated door. Then is state is correct.
@@michaelkinet6189 this does fix it from what i've been told! i actually use a different method to do geothermal heat now
will steel work if I don't have diamond yet?
Hi, is it possible to use this system (adjusting the temperature sensors) for a petroleum boiler? My Asteroid (vanilla game) doesn't have (or I haven't found) volcanoes.
not exactly this, but you kind of can. there are concepts i would roll over to a petroleum boiler build but there is alot of things i would add and modify
Hey, my airlock keeps melting... even with the system to open it as soon as I place it down. Do you have any tips on how to solve this?
airlock door? that has to be made out of steel
srry m8 i have a question, why would u put the aqua tunner inside the steam chamber and not outside? i know that u use the aqua tunner to produce heat but if u have the magma template, why would u need the aqua tunner inside?
think it about it the other way, the aquatuner generates heat yes, but also needs to be cooled down. the cooling buildings of either the aquatuner or thermo regulator both generate alot of heat but only do that because of the amount of cooling theyre providing. so if i were to put it outside it work break instantly and the steam turbines would break as a result
@@2LegitCity okey, I think I get it now, thx a lot bro
my automation wires just melted immediately when the door closed...how are you supposed to stop that?
you need to use steel!
This is very hard to do on terrania. No diamond in the first 3 planets, and the diamond press is so very very slow.
you can substitute steel for the diamond instead and build metal tiles if you dont happen to have diamond for the window tiles
@@2LegitCity thanks for confirming my theory, im in same boat as LWT and i was literally about to build the steel tile and now im confident itll work
NeuTRONeium
Wait what? Obsidian not conductive? Number beg to differ. Obsidian has the conductivity of 2,000 while ig. rock and magma has 1,000.
What you might have meant is that there is less energy in obsidian due to it's lower mass per tile and 5x lower SHC; a tile of obsidian has about 10x less energy in it than a tile of magma assuming they are at the same temp, and they are in core.
my bad, i tend to compare conductivity across all solids so that 2.000 is going against diamonds 80.000 or aluminium's 205.000. i was also considering how heat transfer would work and spoke without explaining deeper into the thought process. basically the equation for heat transfer, the liquid to liquid heat transfer is faster than the liquid to solid heat transfer. you are correct in how the obsidian holds less thermal energy comparatively to the magma due to how SHC values.
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Cool put unnecessary complicatied
Do you have a simpler construction plan for this?