This all make sense now. King Richard could have won this battle due to superior numbers, but thanks to luck, some of his men didn’t follow his order to attack Henry and alsoLord Stanley’s force decided to join Henry and betrayal Richard.
The battle of the bastards in game of throne is probably based in the battle of bosworth. Richard the III is Ramsay Bolton with the bigger army, Henry is Jon Snow with the smaller army and Lord Stanley with his army the Knights of the Vale.
The battle of the bastards is actually based on the Battle of Cannae. Hannibal's smaller Carthaginian army surrounded and slaughtered a much larger Roman army. It's considered one of the greatest tactical feats in military history.
I heard somewhere that the entire series is inspired by the War of the Roses. Which is why the characters are all backstabbers with no loyalty even in the face of annihilation. The problem is the series takes it to an almost cartoonie level and the characters generally act like idiots.
im racking my brain as to why too. i could see a feigned retreat being useful to draw out enemy soldiers further away from henry which did allow richard to take that opportunity. seeing the distance they retreated and the space made and the following assault makes it seem that this was intentional. if it werent for the betrayal or if the rear units followed with him/did anything he very likely couldve won
These videos deserve way more views. Simple, yet clear, animation that makes these battles and their tactics understandable. The only off-putting thing for some may be the audio quality, invest in a better mic and these could probably reach into the hundreds of thousands of views
Bosworth 1485 A battlefield Rediscovered..Glenn Foard...demolishes all this on here...a dig by Leicester University between 2010 and 2012 has placed the battle about 1.5 miles to the south west from Ambion Hill...flat ground called Redesmoor....straddling the old Roman road that runs between Fenny Drayton and Sutton Cheney...sorry....
Some depictions state that Oxford dethatched units of spearman to assist Henry's forces prior to Stanley's move, which made Stanley's actions a somewhat less a save the day maneuver for Henry. For some unknown reason, much of the gripping battle sequence in Olivier's Richard II film had been edited out of the original motion picture until relatively recently.
Thank you for posting this video. I enjoy all of your videos very much. I am a descendant of Sir Robert Harcourt, the standard bearer for King Henry, and I was born 500 years to the day after the battle of Bosworth.
Excellent account and I agree with your depiction. I do believe the result was decided prior to the battle, because if everyone was really trying (as at Towton, for example) a victory for Henry against a much bigger army would be unlikely. The key for Henry was to stand firm in the initial onslaught, proving his army's credibility and giving the Stanley brothers the confidence they required to intervene on his behalf.
Good point about Henry standing firm for credibility with the Stanley brothers. If you enjoy historical dramas, I recommend the 1972 BBC production " The Shadow of The Tower"; examining Henry VII struggle for survival post-Bosworth. Almost like being in the front row in a small theater; sets are simple and in shadow, no music, tight direction and harsh characters. Might be a bit stagey for some. On YT, 8 episodes of a 13 part series.
Richard deserved the defeat. Really poor commander. He gave up the hill whereas, as the defender, all he had to do was sit atop The hill and let his archers and cannons harass the enemy, while also not being vulnerable to the impending attack by the as of yet neutral army (or maybe one that was already conspiring against him)
I don't think he did so badly. He sent his footmen in to attack a smaller force after an extended bombardment to soften them up. Command and Control was practically nil back then. Once those foot soldiers were committed that was pretty much the end of his ability to have them carry out orders. Those troops on his side were only nominally under his control. Aside from his personal retinue Richard didn't have any troops under his direct control. The rest were under allied nobles. I mean for crying out loud a third army showed up to watch and decide who to pick during the battle. What other era would have had that happen? It speaks the chaos that reigned in England at the time. It may have been that he had an enemy to the front and to his rear not his army but a force lead by indifferent commanders. I don't know if their are accounts to confirm this but it's possible he asked for more help and the other nobles simply refused to follow their commander.
Have just returned from Market Bosworth and the battlefield visitors centre. So I'm interested in this right now. One thing that seems slightly inaccurate is that you say the rear of The King's army was lead by The Duke of Northumberland? I believe that title didn't exist for approximately another 66 years, I think it should have been The Earl of Northumberland (not the Duke).
Great stuff, thanks. Just two points - maybe put the date of the battle in the title for ease of reference? Also, your Bosworth star is too far north! :D
Hi from Lancashire Thanks for the video I never realised this battle took place in Leicestershire ( not a sarcastic comment, I’d assumed it was somewhere half way between Lancaster & York)
There's still differing views as to exactly where the battle took place, the only thing that most are now agreeing is that it did not happen at Ambion Hill i.e. Bosworth. That may well have been the site of Richard's camp but there are suggestions that on the morning he was at Sheepy Magna which is 4 miles to the west and that the actual battle could have taken place over a wide area between Atherstone and Stoke Golding. For such an important event in English history there is very little to go on - however one interesting piece of evidence is that Henry compensated the villages of Mancetter, Atherstone, Witherley and Fenny Drayton for damage suffered during the battle and these are all west of Bosworth. There's also at least one account of the battle having a different name, the Battle of Merevale (Warwickshire) , this was the site of Henry's camp and is on the south side of Atherstone and the west side of Mancetter and Witherley - as none of us were there to video it then I'm sure it will be open to many convincing interpretations
Northumberland could not deploy and he had the artillery train. What he could do is play standoff with the Stanleys. On the night if the 21st, Thomas Stanley was at Shenton, but at dawn, crossed from Richard's right to Dadlington on his left. As pure speculation, he may have sent Richard a message saying that Henry's van had left it's camp at Fenny Drayton, and had gone back to Watling Street to bypass Richard and continue south. Stanley set up his light artillery, and when Henry's army appeared, coming down Fenn Lane, William Stanley would fall in on the right flank of Henry's bodyguard, with the rest of the Stanley's artillery. The archaeological evidence-based findings of Dr Glenn Foard clearly show that the artillery battle was primarily to lock the left wing of Richard's army in place. Northumberland did what he could. He could not charge down Fenn Lane and split the Tudor/Stanley force, because William and his men and artillery and the marsh made it impossible. Incidentally, Henry's mercenaries were led by Chandee, future Constable of France. They have been called "ragtag sweepings of the gaols", etc., but were, in fact some of the best soldiers on the Continent. Even more interesting is that Richard's heavy cavalry charge was the only one in all of the battles of the Victorian-named "Wars Of The Roses". It was a surprise tactic that almost worked. Almost a samurai quality about it.
if Richard just waited for Henry to come he would have won because he had cannnons, so Henry has to advance or get bombarded by cannon fire. Such a waste of a king
Despite the fact that his way of capturing the throne was brutal, Richard III was very clever, and capable king. He was very succesful about his early military duties and kind to his poor people. He removed some taxes and gave some concession to people and I think He would start to become a much powerful nation. William Stanley blocked this and England's rising stopped till Elizabeth I.
This is all wrong..the battle was fought on Redesmoor,Richards army straddled the old Roman Road from Atherstone to Leicester. Henry approached from about 3 miles away from the west and the Stanleys were positioned to the south...quite literally across the other side of the field. Richard did have a camp on Ambion Hill but arrayed his forces on flat land about 1.5 mile away to the sw of the hill.. I know the lie of the land well and have walked the battlefield and followed the route of Richards charge..If anyone interested,Google maps,Fox Covert Lane,Leicestershire...the staggered junction of Mill Lane,Fenn Lane and Fox Covert Lane...across Mill Lane to right and left and just north of the infamous marsh,is where the main battle played out....where Fox C Lane comes off Fenn,creates a triangular field...thats where they are reasonably certain where R died between Fenn and Fox,the deepest part of the marsh...R charged along Fenn from the east with his knights line a breast straddling the lane to go after H who at this point was somewhere near where the current Fenn Lane farm is situated.
@@richiebcarric31, I was going to say the same thing. Stanley's forces should be on the bottom part of the recreation map, not the top. They waited to see what side would win. Then Stanley heard, incorrectly, that King Richard had his son, who was Richard's hostage, beheaded for not joining his side. Stanley then decided to join the Tudor forces.
This is the best video I have seen on the battle of Bosworth thank you
Cheers pal, Merry Christmas!
Goddamn dude.
Consistent, direct, and good with animation.
You deserve so much more :)
Thanks dude!
BattleStack np ;)
This all make sense now. King Richard could have won this battle due to superior numbers, but thanks to luck, some of his men didn’t follow his order to attack Henry and alsoLord Stanley’s force decided to join Henry and betrayal Richard.
It was a gross betrayal. If Richard won and killed Tudor, coming within a sword's length of him, he would've executed many traitors.
The battle of the bastards in game of throne is probably based in the battle of bosworth. Richard the III is Ramsay Bolton with the bigger army, Henry is Jon Snow with the smaller army and Lord Stanley with his army the Knights of the Vale.
Thanks, I did not know that.
The battle of the bastards is actually based on the Battle of Cannae. Hannibal's smaller Carthaginian army surrounded and slaughtered a much larger Roman army. It's considered one of the greatest tactical feats in military history.
@@Richk-sz9is the battle of the bastards has almost nothing in common with cannae...
I heard somewhere that the entire series is inspired by the War of the Roses. Which is why the characters are all backstabbers with no loyalty even in the face of annihilation. The problem is the series takes it to an almost cartoonie level and the characters generally act like idiots.
Comparing the rubbish that was the Battle of the Bastards to real history lol
Why on earth do you abandon your advantageous position on the hill? Specially when your army mainly consists in archers
im racking my brain as to why too. i could see a feigned retreat being useful to draw out enemy soldiers further away from henry which did allow richard to take that opportunity. seeing the distance they retreated and the space made and the following assault makes it seem that this was intentional. if it werent for the betrayal or if the rear units followed with him/did anything he very likely couldve won
These videos deserve way more views. Simple, yet clear, animation that makes these battles and their tactics understandable. The only off-putting thing for some may be the audio quality, invest in a better mic and these could probably reach into the hundreds of thousands of views
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Love all of the stuff you do
Really interesting and helped me with my history work, you get bonus points 👍🏻
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Bosworth 1485 A battlefield Rediscovered..Glenn Foard...demolishes all this on here...a dig by Leicester University between 2010 and 2012 has placed the battle about 1.5 miles to the south west from Ambion Hill...flat ground called Redesmoor....straddling the old Roman road that runs between Fenny Drayton and Sutton Cheney...sorry....
Cool channel man, keep pumping out the content! I'd love to see some videos on more modern battles too like Stalingrad.
Cool, thanks for the support! I will try to do a few modern battles soon
Another great video, am glad I subscribed & am looking forward to seeing more of your work
helped soooo much thanks
Thsi is how many ppls who used this for homeschool
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whats the lesson of this story kids?
never rush the enemy general!
Well said!
eyyy you know sometimes it works but it needs a LOT of luck and Strengh
Alexander would have a few things to say about that. As well as a number of others. Plus, it probably would've worked had stanley not betrayed him
I think the correct lesson might be "never send your general to middle of battlefield".
Richard was an unpopular king ?, trying to revise history there it seems, because contemporary reports say far, far different.
Richard III was an unpopular king. Read a couple of books on the War of the Roses - Dan Jones' book is one, Chris Skidmore's book is another good one.
Thsnks it helped me with my learning
POV: your hear because of history lessons
I went to that battlefield. Pretty countryside. Saw the Kings well.
So cool, I must go there one day!
It's 5 miles from where i live
also it was called the oxford wedge which was the formation that stopped richards troops.
Some depictions state that Oxford dethatched units of spearman to assist Henry's forces prior to Stanley's move, which made Stanley's actions a somewhat less a save the day maneuver for Henry. For some unknown reason, much of the gripping battle sequence in Olivier's Richard II film had been edited out of the original motion picture until relatively recently.
Thank you for posting this video. I enjoy all of your videos very much. I am a descendant of Sir Robert Harcourt, the standard bearer for King Henry, and I was born 500 years to the day after the battle of Bosworth.
Thanks, glad you liked the video!
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excellent. Thanks heaps. :D
Thomas Stanley, married to Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry Tudor.
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Excellent account and I agree with your depiction. I do believe the result was decided prior to the battle, because if everyone was really trying (as at Towton, for example) a victory for Henry against a much bigger army would be unlikely. The key for Henry was to stand firm in the initial onslaught, proving his army's credibility and giving the Stanley brothers the confidence they required to intervene on his behalf.
Good point about Henry standing firm for credibility with the Stanley brothers.
If you enjoy historical dramas, I recommend the 1972 BBC production " The Shadow of The Tower"; examining Henry VII struggle for survival post-Bosworth. Almost like being in the front row in a small theater; sets are simple and in shadow, no music, tight direction and harsh characters.
Might be a bit stagey for some. On YT, 8 episodes of a 13 part series.
@@davidstevenson9517 Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.
Very informative video Sir. If I might make a small correction , in the depiction of the red and white roses , the York rose is upside down
Richard deserved the defeat. Really poor commander.
He gave up the hill whereas, as the defender, all he had to do was sit atop The hill and let his archers and cannons harass the enemy, while also not being vulnerable to the impending attack by the as of yet neutral army (or maybe one that was already conspiring against him)
Interesting, I thought the same thing. I suppose if he had won he would have been hailed a military genius.
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He had balls tho. He saw Tudor exposed and took his shot. He was done in by the treachery of the Stanley's. The fucking Stanley's haha !!!
Its probably worth taking into account that it was still the middle ages and making a show of one's personal courage was still the done thing.
I don't think he did so badly. He sent his footmen in to attack a smaller force after an extended bombardment to soften them up. Command and Control was practically nil back then. Once those foot soldiers were committed that was pretty much the end of his ability to have them carry out orders.
Those troops on his side were only nominally under his control. Aside from his personal retinue Richard didn't have any troops under his direct control. The rest were under allied nobles. I mean for crying out loud a third army showed up to watch and decide who to pick during the battle. What other era would have had that happen? It speaks the chaos that reigned in England at the time. It may have been that he had an enemy to the front and to his rear not his army but a force lead by indifferent commanders. I don't know if their are accounts to confirm this but it's possible he asked for more help and the other nobles simply refused to follow their commander.
RIP Richard III
@0:20 is the Tudor rose, not the Lancaster rose
Have just returned from Market Bosworth and the battlefield visitors centre. So I'm interested in this right now. One thing that seems slightly inaccurate is that you say the rear of The King's army was lead by The Duke of Northumberland? I believe that title didn't exist for approximately another 66 years, I think it should have been The Earl of Northumberland (not the Duke).
Thanks pal, I must have got my Dukes and Earls mixed up! :)
Great stuff, thanks. Just two points - maybe put the date of the battle in the title for ease of reference? Also, your Bosworth star is too far north! :D
Thanks for the tip! :)
@@battlestack7615 any time :)
Nice!!!
THEY KEEP ON RISING
Why did Norfolk charge when they had the benefit of the hill?
Hi from Lancashire
Thanks for the video
I never realised this battle took place in Leicestershire ( not a sarcastic comment, I’d assumed it was somewhere half way between Lancaster & York)
There's still differing views as to exactly where the battle took place, the only thing that most are now agreeing is that it did not happen at Ambion Hill i.e. Bosworth. That may well have been the site of Richard's camp but there are suggestions that on the morning he was at Sheepy Magna which is 4 miles to the west and that the actual battle could have taken place over a wide area between Atherstone and Stoke Golding. For such an important event in English history there is very little to go on - however one interesting piece of evidence is that Henry compensated the villages of Mancetter, Atherstone, Witherley and Fenny Drayton for damage suffered during the battle and these are all west of Bosworth. There's also at least one account of the battle having a different name, the Battle of Merevale (Warwickshire) , this was the site of Henry's camp and is on the south side of Atherstone and the west side of Mancetter and Witherley - as none of us were there to video it then I'm sure it will be open to many convincing interpretations
Great video. Bad audio tho
i seem to recall william stanley eventually came to regret his decision to back henry ,,
Northumberland could not deploy and he had the artillery train. What he could do is play standoff with the Stanleys. On the night if the 21st, Thomas Stanley was at Shenton, but at dawn, crossed from Richard's right to Dadlington on his left. As pure speculation, he may have sent Richard a message saying that Henry's van had left it's camp at Fenny Drayton, and had gone back to Watling Street to bypass Richard and continue south. Stanley set up his light artillery, and when Henry's army appeared, coming down Fenn Lane, William Stanley would fall in on the right flank of Henry's bodyguard, with the rest of the Stanley's artillery. The archaeological evidence-based findings of Dr Glenn Foard clearly show that the artillery battle was primarily to lock the left wing of Richard's army in place. Northumberland did what he could. He could not charge down Fenn Lane and split the Tudor/Stanley force, because William and his men and artillery and the marsh made it impossible. Incidentally, Henry's
mercenaries were led by Chandee, future Constable of France. They have been called "ragtag sweepings of the gaols", etc., but were, in fact some of the best soldiers on the Continent.
Even more interesting is that Richard's heavy cavalry charge was the only one in all of the battles of the Victorian-named "Wars Of The Roses". It was a surprise tactic that almost worked. Almost a samurai quality about it.
if Richard just waited for Henry to come he would have won because he had cannnons, so Henry has to advance or get bombarded by cannon fire. Such a waste of a king
This needs an update....the battle was fought some 1.5 miles away to the south west and the armies need to be rejigged 180
I love this I love history
Why don’t you do one about ww1 and ww1?
Despite the fact that his way of capturing the throne was brutal, Richard III was very clever, and capable king. He was very succesful about his early military duties and kind to his poor people. He removed some taxes and gave some concession to people and I think He would start to become a much powerful nation. William Stanley blocked this and England's rising stopped till Elizabeth I.
A glorious day
ayyy
omg so cool!
Allot of the war was fought in the snow, fuckkkk that!
This is all wrong..the battle was fought on Redesmoor,Richards army straddled the old Roman Road from Atherstone to Leicester. Henry approached from about 3 miles away from the west and the Stanleys were positioned to the south...quite literally across the other side of the field. Richard did have a camp on Ambion Hill but arrayed his forces on flat land about 1.5 mile away to the sw of the hill.. I know the lie of the land well and have walked the battlefield and followed the route of Richards charge..If anyone interested,Google maps,Fox Covert Lane,Leicestershire...the staggered junction of Mill Lane,Fenn Lane and Fox Covert Lane...across Mill Lane to right and left and just north of the infamous marsh,is where the main battle played out....where Fox C Lane comes off Fenn,creates a triangular field...thats where they are reasonably certain where R died between Fenn and Fox,the deepest part of the marsh...R charged along Fenn from the east with his knights line a breast straddling the lane to go after H who at this point was somewhere near where the current Fenn Lane farm is situated.
..correction...google Foxcovert lane,Nuneaton...Henry would have been around the commercial vehicles complex aka Fenn Lanes farm....
@@richiebcarric31, I was going to say the same thing. Stanley's forces should be on the bottom part of the recreation map, not the top. They waited to see what side would win. Then Stanley heard, incorrectly, that King Richard had his son, who was Richard's hostage, beheaded for not joining his side. Stanley then decided to join the Tudor forces.
the force the stanleys would present would be
Pretty much like sekigahara battle.
Very interesting to see that it was a 3rd party that decided the outcome of the battle. Otherwise, Richard arguably could have won.
All this? Is it History or pain? In Finland we have this tasavalta, try it you like it...
this is a fab video but hard to hear your fantastic commentary over the battle screams - if they could be removed this would be perfect!
I’m meant ww2and ww1
WooooooooooooooooW WTF ? why ? like why would you abondon a strategic position like that ???
Aaaaaand I did stupid things like that in social battles lol
1:55 - "Cavlary" ? Maybe you should study English
Mrs Pennock um Hi.....I bet ur still teaching this lol
brexit one london asked the minuteman
Not very much of a good accomplishment but 111th comment
Narcissism of the cannibal.
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100th comment!!
Congratulations!
And so is this
Sounds like trump vs biden
History is boring