The DIFFERENCE between jazz and classical pianists! 🧐 | Ben Laude & Noam Sivan

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  • @djsjdh-hoahdi
    @djsjdh-hoahdi Рік тому +422

    As a jazz pianist, years of practice improvising every day has gotten me familiar enough with my instrument to interpret and feel where the music energetically and emotionally wants to go next. It’s very limited conscious thinking, just colors that I hear the music asking for in my “minds ear” that we intuit out in a way I can’t 100% explain.
    But tell me to play back and entire piece exactly as written I won’t have a great time. Weak reading skills were traded for ear training.
    I have much admiration for my classical cohorts, playing together in either genre.
    The different ways we reach, interpret, and personalize the music we play will never cease to amaze me. I envy the cultivated set of skills of my friends who admire my cultivated set of skills. So many talents to have and so many ways to interpret and interact with this music. Who can do it all? Very few. But we all *can* respect it all.
    This video was a bit too dogmatic for me. My improvising is a power that some lack, but they hold powers i lack. While agree we should be able to intuit in real time, music is more than a verbal language.
    Improviser or not, it’s about being an adept communicator. As a listener and enjoyer, one does not have to “learn the language” to understand the communication in music. Classical musicians are incredible interpreters, liaisons, and communicators of all these different feelings the greatest composers have given us. This man’s metaphor sounded alright, but falls narrow-mindedly short and misses the whole point of this lovely form of art.

    • @nacre2927
      @nacre2927 Рік тому +20

      Dude, that was beautiful, right choice of words. For real, thank you so much for this comment, it gave me thrills

    • @matsab7930
      @matsab7930 Рік тому +2

      Where did they suggest it’s bad that you can recite entire pieces from memory or by reading sheet music? They’re just saying that the way classical music is learned today lacks creativity; it lacks any improvisation. That’s objectively true.
      Long story short; dumb comment.

    • @hernandezisaias90
      @hernandezisaias90 Рік тому +5

      Amazing analysis 👏

    • @m.dave2141
      @m.dave2141 Рік тому +1

      100% agree

    • @advikthepianokid4583
      @advikthepianokid4583 11 місяців тому +5

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@matsab7930It’s not exactly the fact they said reading and reciting is useless, it’s the fact they said it in a way where improvisation is much more (if not completely) useful than the ability to interpret already written pieces. Of course, no one can deny improvisation is very important to have, but like with a coin, both sides of the story are equal. This is what the op was trying to convey, that you didn’t seem to understand.

  • @arnestroehmann3188
    @arnestroehmann3188 Рік тому +848

    Beethoven for example was a genius improviser

    • @Franz_Liszt_Korean
      @Franz_Liszt_Korean Рік тому +13

      Like me

    • @AltohP
      @AltohP Рік тому +58

      He wasn't on that damn phone

    • @arnestroehmann3188
      @arnestroehmann3188 Рік тому +13

      @@Franz_Liszt_Korean but Beethoven was the first one ever to write down a Bebop
      Opus 111. 3rd variation in the second sentence ;-)))

    • @plootyluvsturtle9843
      @plootyluvsturtle9843 Рік тому +22

      as well as most of the great composers too. Mozart, Bach, and from what I’ve heard Chopin especially

    • @CougheePls
      @CougheePls Рік тому +17

      Exactly. Improvisation used to have a part in the classical music world

  • @anoldretiredelephant
    @anoldretiredelephant Рік тому +266

    this is what I like about baroque historically informed performances of bach or whomever because of the improvisation, makes every new recording special and not just fine tuning the interpretation to get to what the original composer might've intended.

    • @Itemtotem
      @Itemtotem Рік тому +2

      I improvise in Bach
      Things are not to be played the same way twice wether phrase or section. The repeated sections are supposed to be improvised upon

    • @longlifetometal1995
      @longlifetometal1995 Рік тому +3

      HIP is scam. The process is amazing, but the end result is purely contemporary regardless. We have no (sound) recordings from the baroque period and the whole baroque tradition was actually lost in history, mostly after 1848. Playing on period instruments doesn't make it an historically informed interpretation, such an accolade only sells to the people that still think music is supposed to be performed in one true way and the rest shouldn't be considered

    • @anoldretiredelephant
      @anoldretiredelephant Рік тому +10

      @@longlifetometal1995 well of course we wont get to the real truth but to call it a scam is ridiculous. HIP has cleared up the interpretation of many pieces, I think most notably Bach's 'lute' works and Brandenburg no. 6, which only make any sense on historical instruments or something akin to them. I think a lot of the best art is best appreciated in its original context, like the roman frescoes from Pompeii look much better where they originally were instead of being torn away from the walls and hung up as if they were oil paintings, and I think the same can be said for HIP, yes other ways of playing the music are valid and can be very great(the WTC works wonderfully on the piano) but still the composer intended it to be played with the instruments of his day and I think that should be kept in mind in any other interpretation. and besides, we can know and gather a lot from instruments that were made back then or from descriptions of them, just because we don't have audio recordings doesn't mean we can't know what it sounded like.

    • @JFroTheMusician
      @JFroTheMusician Рік тому +3

      @@longlifetometal1995Of course we don’t have recordings, of course we will never know what these tunes “truly” sounded like. That’s not the point of HIP. The point of HIP is essentially applied historical musicology. It’s putting as much aspect of the music back into its historical context as much as we’re able to. This doesn’t make HIP a “scam”.

    • @babygirl4169
      @babygirl4169 10 місяців тому

      What's the name of the first piece?

  • @carolasandrakaty
    @carolasandrakaty Рік тому +205

    We do improvise, just not in public.

    • @Wolfganger
      @Wolfganger Рік тому

      @@mildlyinterestingltsLOL!

    • @rocelderamos3013
      @rocelderamos3013 Рік тому +7

      ​@@mildlyinterestingltsOh yea, beginners are the best at "broken chords" and "dissonance" 😂

  • @SILAS-cb9xl
    @SILAS-cb9xl Рік тому +81

    i play the piano and i also learn pieces of the great composers. but i also improvise and compose in classic and romantic style. i think it helps you develop a bond with the music and how the composers themselves felt during the process of improvisation and writing things down. it’s also a great way to channel your emotions. like into playing whatever melodie, rhythm etc comes to your mind

  • @jordancuevas4693
    @jordancuevas4693 Рік тому +40

    As a pianist, I believe the modern consensus is that classically trained musicians are expected to learn by mastering and performing in the appropriate style based on the compositional context and period of the piece. Improvisation is taught secondary alongside music theory, however is generally ignored for the repertoire. This goes in conjunction to earlier Baroque and Classical period teachings, where improvisation was taught as part of the performance practise and musical material (figured bass and ornamentation for example)

    • @SpitfireRoad
      @SpitfireRoad Рік тому

      Yes! Coloratura for the singer and undocumented ornamentation on keys go hand in hand.

    • @liljs4189
      @liljs4189 Рік тому +2

      That doesn’t add up with the fact that classical pianists of today have a very hard time to improvise compared to those in the baroque and classical periods

  • @shanequa555
    @shanequa555 3 місяці тому +6

    During it's day "classical" music cherished the talent of improvisation. Mozart especially had this gift - even though it is fictional, his improvement of Salieri's little entrance march through improvisation in the Amadeus movie comes to.mind...

  • @goldroger50
    @goldroger50 Рік тому +19

    Bro's hair💀

  • @Kosmos-go6wf
    @Kosmos-go6wf Рік тому +2

    I just love the humility of Ben Laude.

  • @Deu_terio
    @Deu_terio Рік тому +3

    WE NEED BOTH so thank you for existing!

  • @bret6484
    @bret6484 Рік тому +24

    We need more classical improvisation! Jazz is always welcome to exploring and improvising, and that is why it will never die. Classical music is vanishing outside of the academic system, but it doesn't have to be that way! Learning the stylistic and harmonic conventions of classical music has been massive for my musicianship, and improvising in these styles is the best way to compose. Don't let it die!

    • @SpitfireRoad
      @SpitfireRoad Рік тому

      Not sure it's the best way to compose but like you, my classical training is a solid foundation to improvising. Perhaps you're including orchestration. Can't imagine not having access to others scores.

    • @bret6484
      @bret6484 Рік тому +1

      @@SpitfireRoad I found that once I was familiar with the "rules", my most natural melodies and intuitive formal discoveries came from deep within my soul. I like to record my improvisations, transcribe them, and edit and expand afterwards.
      what do you mean though about orchestration?

    • @SpitfireRoad
      @SpitfireRoad Рік тому

      @@bret6484 I'm the same. By orchestrating I meant "sculpting" music beyond piano/guitar/voice/harmonica and percussion. Took me half a lifetime to be bold enough to try it with any seriousness. Long user of Musescore (search Mr. Jeff). Mixcraft for my DAW, and soon, RipX. Amazing power!

    • @thedragonofthewest5789
      @thedragonofthewest5789 Рік тому

      share some music then @@bret6484

  • @irenedhakde4692
    @irenedhakde4692 Рік тому +61

    Yes but playing something already written permits playing much more difficult pieces than if we improvised. We need both styles.

    • @MusicalPlayground717
      @MusicalPlayground717 Рік тому +5

      I agree both styles are necessary, but a skilled improviser can come up with music as difficult as any written piece. Look at Art Tatum.

    • @bodaciouscans
      @bodaciouscans Рік тому +16

      Sigh, why is "difficulty" sooo important for classical musicians. With some classical music students I feel that the level of difficulty is more important to them than the conveying emotion or beauty of a piece of music 😢

    • @justanothernguyen2334
      @justanothernguyen2334 Рік тому

      @@bodaciouscans its the status involved in the dick-comparing contest that is the classical world

    • @somasundaramsankaranarayan4592
      @somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 Рік тому +10

      ​​@@bodaciouscansthe more sophisticated the music gets, the more possibilities open up to convey intricate emotions. Though it is not necessary that music must be sophisticated inorder to be emotional and all sophisticated music isn't emotion invoking either.

    • @tjenadonn6158
      @tjenadonn6158 Рік тому

      ​@@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592I dare you to find a single piece of music that more completely and profoundly conveys the emotion of "despair" better than "Frankie Teardrop," by a band which for UA-cam purposes I habe to call Self-Delete. The music is about as simple as something can get without being a solitary drone: a sparse drum loop created on a machine so old it would make the Roland 808 or the first generation LinnDrum look like Ableton by comparison, Marin Rev playing a simple keyboard line on what sounds like a heavily damaged console organ, and Alan Vega's half-warbling, half-screaming vocals. For over ten minutes of the bleakest sounds you'll ever hear these dead simple elements weave into a murder ballad that sounds for all intents and purposes like it's being broadcast directly from Hell itself: whether that is the literal Hell of the Bible or the Hell we all create within ourselves during our darkest moments is an exercise for the listener. It's been described by many as both one of the most powerful songs ever recorded and as the kind of song you only listen to once, with a riff and drum line that anyone vould program in five minutes. Musical compexity≠emotional depth.

  • @marasours1927
    @marasours1927 Рік тому +2

    I was trained classically, as a piano major in college. I learned improvisation gradually. Now, I play by ear and improvise as much or more than I play classical. I play and teach both genres now. I play in church and as a recorded artist. I teach classical pianists to play by ear and improvise.

  • @yellow92959
    @yellow92959 Рік тому +6

    I'm a classical musician mainly but I think that improvising is a valuable skill that every musician should learn regardless of what style they play.

  • @kurtkaufman
    @kurtkaufman Рік тому +3

    This is an oversimplification. It is wonderful to be able to improvise music, but that's not a substitute for the kind of complexity and architecture that is present in some composed music. Where I do agree with you is that it is definitely productive and inspirational for classically trained pianists to have some skill at improvisation, although not necessarily only in a jazz syntax.

  • @ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch
    @ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch Рік тому +31

    My experience is: classical pianists and jazz pianists are and think completely differently. You don't choose a side, you are what you are. Normally, classical musicians have an aversion to playing freely and improvising. Jazz pianists have a crisis when they have to play a certain piece without deviation. I am a quite successful composer (piano music) in Germany and I cannot improvise at all. (But I can teach beginners very well in improvisation.) There are very different areas in which one can be gifted or not gifted. And not everything can be learned.

    • @TheElectricCheeseProductions22
      @TheElectricCheeseProductions22 Рік тому +5

      Justify your expressed belief that these are "gifts" and cannot be learned.

    • @rafjeevarafjeeva5952
      @rafjeevarafjeeva5952 Рік тому +8

      I am classical musician, and I could not survive without improvisation, classical or jazz (mostly classical) and most of my compositions would not exist if I had not improvise first.
      If classicals composers over centuries of musics (before the 20th century) were able to improvise incredible thing, there is not any reason that make modern pianists and composers unable to improvise. The only reason for this uncapacity even for a lot of really technically gifted pianists to improvise is elitism, over the last century, many piano teachers taught that improvisation is garbage, taught to theirs students no never play anything that is not written on a score, making the it sacred, denying and disapproving any attempt at musical innovation.
      We should encourage students, teachers, and concert pianist to improvise (same for other instruments),never doing it contributes to the decline of classical music

    • @ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch
      @ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch Рік тому +2

      @@rafjeevarafjeeva5952 Yes, we should encourage students, teachers and concert pianists to improvise. But I think anyone who feels the need to do so will do so. No matter what the teacher thought of it. My strong desire was to compose. No one encouraged me or made me do it. It came on its own. I improvise with all the students. Those who didn't want it from the beginning never liked it. And that's exactly how it is with me. :)

    • @rafjeevarafjeeva5952
      @rafjeevarafjeeva5952 Рік тому +5

      @@ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch I agree with you but the problem is that a lot of students that would like to improvise and could do it well are repressed by teachers (at least in conservatories). I've seen teachers being really harsh to young students that were trying to improvise. I think that teachers should teach to their students the basics of improvisation, it would make them understand better harmony, and understand what they are playing when they are playing a piece, (just play notes by heart without understanding the score is not very good for interpretation). This would benefit both those who love and hate improvising. Students would have a better understanding of what they are playing, and we would have more great improvisation pianist (Apart from Cyprien Katsaris there are not many anymore although it was common in the 19th century)

    • @ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch
      @ZauberKlavierSandraLabsch Рік тому +4

      @@rafjeevarafjeeva5952 My personal experience: In Germany, most piano professors have no idea about improvisation (and unfortunately there are only a few good teachers for it at conservatories.) And what you haven't learned and can't do yourself, you can't teach at a high level, so you'd rather repress it in the student than admit that you're the wrong teacher for it. I know few teachers at universities who are good educators. Not to mention the human side. But that is just my personal experience. I was certainly a bit unlucky.

  • @cookie2112
    @cookie2112 Рік тому +3

    What have you done with your lives?? You've been helping in keeping alive extraordinarily beautiful masterpieces that would have faded into oblivion should you all amazing talented musicians hadn't invested your time in developing the necessary skills to allow us to enjoy that, which in most cases and in its own way, are the epitome of humanity itself. My sincere thanks and respect to all of you unsung performers of the human spirit songs.

  • @RaptorT1V
    @RaptorT1V Рік тому +11

    Nikolai Kapustin is a perfect example of a composer/pianist in the middle of classical and jazz (or a man who is both jazz and classical musician)

  • @TheElectricCheeseProductions22

    This is why I invest a lot of time into ear training via sight singing. The way I understand things, you cannot really improvise or make your own music if you do not have "relative pitch". If you do not have this and cannot categorize the sounds then its material your brain does not have and cannot articulate thus is cannot utilize it in creation leaving you only to function with a mostly theoretical understanding which I don't think will ever get you to making anything of great value because art is highly intuitive. If you cannot articulate music in your head then you cannot intuit with it, etc.
    Anyway, my point is that even though my piano lessons only consist of learning pieces and technique, I do not want to simply spend my life only playing music written by other people, by people from several hundred years ago. And so I take it upon myself to actually train myself to become musical.

    • @eladpeleg745
      @eladpeleg745 19 днів тому

      Agreed. I'm a complete novice but I studied classical pieces for a few years and only now realized that I have a whole lot of nothing. I was charmed by the beautiful music I could replicate but I am not able to create myself. I too now work on ear training in the hopes that it will allow me to start improvising in due time.

    • @TheElectricCheeseProductions22
      @TheElectricCheeseProductions22 19 днів тому +1

      @eladpeleg745 id recommend both tonal and atonal sight singing. Im using the dannhauser books and Modus Novus. This is because Ive come to find that I am not seeing what Id like from my efforts and Ive flip flopped around a lot of different things but right now, Im settled on going through these two books. Atonal sight singing because it focuses on the interval which is the basis for all music that uses pitch generally speaking that isnt like percussive or spectral or concrete or smth like that. Ive found that so far, trying to hear the interval has worked out bettee than relying on being able to recognize tones which are one a higher level than the interval itself.
      So I hope this is going to be it. But I guess time will tell.
      My recommendation is to really linger on one or a few parts before trying to move on and really mastering even the simple stuff because Ive felt like I need to go through these higher quantities in order to really develop but so far that hasnt seemed to be the ideal approach so sometimes I do go ahead just to start touching new material but generally I try to linger on something and really let it set in then move on hoping.
      I totally get you. Not being able to improvise feels like not being able to speak. And Im hoping that in the near future Ill be able to remedy this
      Here's to sight singing

    • @eladpeleg745
      @eladpeleg745 18 днів тому +1

      @@TheElectricCheeseProductions22 I really appreciate the effort! Unfortunately my grasp of sheet music is rudimentary at best so I've done interval recognition at first and then moved on to simply echoing out the notes I hear on my piano. I am certainly improving which is encouraging. My suspicion here is that to train such fundamental skills as musical intuition and expression we need big data to train on. I believe the methods themselves may be less critical as long as one is able to build a framework which can expand and automate these processes more and more. I think of it exactly like language learning and am trying to get comprehensible input. Hope the best for you!

  • @LUR1FAX
    @LUR1FAX Рік тому +62

    F in the chat for that guy's hairline.

  • @axucaroso
    @axucaroso Рік тому +1

    Reject the either/or premise! Put the classical training and repertoire together with the jazz improvisation and songbooks! Suggested listening: Bob James 1, 2, 3 & 4; Ramsey Lewis, Return to Forever, Wynton Marsalis, Renee Fleming, and Duke Ellington

  • @Luiss-ix7rf
    @Luiss-ix7rf Рік тому +12

    Keith Jarrett is widely considered as the greatest piano improviser of the 20th century. He is a classically trained pianist who began to give recitals when he was six years old. Besides, he recorded Bach's major works.

    • @SpitfireRoad
      @SpitfireRoad Рік тому

      Glad you brought him up. He can't play anymore like he used to but he is still a genius. Who is next on the stage?

    • @arvaborelius7269
      @arvaborelius7269 Рік тому +1

      ​@@SpitfireRoadHe's already well established, but Brad Mehldau is absolutely Keiths spiritual successor.

  • @VinceRicafort-xo9lu
    @VinceRicafort-xo9lu Рік тому +6

    Great late classical pianists actually do improvises like Horowitz, Cziffra, etc. since they want to add their spice to it..

  • @hanshead
    @hanshead Рік тому +1

    Uh you say that, but Organists in Europe for instance are expected to improvise. I saw Naji Hakim, who succeeded Messiaen, improvise on variously melodies.

  • @h5mind373
    @h5mind373 Рік тому +1

    Here in Spain, my son is somewhat of a novelty because he is both classically trained and can also improvise on the spot- over contemporary or classical melodies. He even "finished" one of Chopin's unfinished works and unless you knew the original, it's difficult to note where one composer ends and the other begins.

  • @h5mind373
    @h5mind373 Рік тому +2

    My son plays the piano professionally. Inspired by several years in London, he developed a particular love of classical pieces. Meanwhile, his work as a soloist and accompanist requires everything from pop and rock to jazz and blues. So today he switches comfortably from one style to another. If there is interest or need, I think a well-trained musician should be able to perform anything. That said, his current teacher is very much in "Camp Classical", and cannot improvise. He can't even do a walking bassline. My son, on the other hand, plays whatever the people request! I suppose a lot of this depends on whether music is a career or a hobby.

  • @dozie85
    @dozie85 Рік тому +2

    You’re right. Not enough performance oriented classical musicians study important composition based studies such as partimenti, counterpoint, schenkerian analysis, etc. These studies are key to understanding the language

  • @mgsilverhead9636
    @mgsilverhead9636 Рік тому +2

    I've been teaching for 20 years... a curriculum specifically designed to address this! We improv at every lesson. And still learn to read scores.

  • @angellee9307
    @angellee9307 Рік тому

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  • @tanglongtao
    @tanglongtao Рік тому +2

    I’m a continuo player and I improvise on the piano when I coach Mozart operas or accompany Baroque cantatas! It was SHOCKING how similar to jazz it is - I took a few jazz piano lessons and had that epiphany moment.

  • @danielgloverpiano7693
    @danielgloverpiano7693 Рік тому +25

    The best explanation I’ve had for telling non-musicians the difference between classical and jazz musicians is this:
    We’re interpretive artists who take the great works of all time into our body and soul and interpret them for the audience. It’s akin to an actor doing a Shakespeare play. There are as many ways to interpret them as there are human beings.
    A jazz musician is closer to a stand up comedian who makes up things on the spot which come from their personal life experience. They retell a story, but the words might be different each time.
    I don’t think it’s at all necessary for the two to overlap, and there aren’t many Shakespearean actors who would have any interest in doing standup comedy. Why should they? And vice versa.

    • @Ubu987
      @Ubu987 Рік тому +6

      Standup Shakespeare would be interesting.

    • @danielgloverpiano7693
      @danielgloverpiano7693 Рік тому +4

      @@Ubu987 isn’t that what Monty Python did? 😀

    • @MusicalPlayground717
      @MusicalPlayground717 Рік тому

      @@Ubu987Look up The Improvised Shakespeare Company. They’re amazing.

    • @charlieb8735
      @charlieb8735 Рік тому +2

      I think that’s a well reasoned standpoint but wouldn’t that logic essentially preclude any new compositions in the world of academia besides jazz?
      I don’t feel like the vocabulary, forms and styles behind classical/western art music inherently lead to any existing modern genre and I doubt the type of improvisation in jazz would ever be compatible with anything besides solo pieces or specified solos.
      It just feels like a shame because to me, it seems impossible that someone in the vein of Paganini would ever arise from the world of classical when no value is placed on the potential compositions and creative interpretations that the highest echelon of performers could create

    • @philswaim392
      @philswaim392 Рік тому +2

      Funny because in shakespears day there was also plenty of improv, stand up, and moments where actors were encouraged to just make it up. It wasnt until conservatists put in rigid rules and made everything prescriptive that we dont see any improv in shakespearean theatre today.
      So the same with classocal music which had lots of improv. It HAD to in order for people to make improvements to music.

  • @nadim4343
    @nadim4343 Рік тому

    Both skills are necessary in my opinion. Composed music helps create gargantuan musical forms for ensembles which improvised music cannot offer. On the other hand improvising helps you speak the language and is a totally different kind of enjoyment and experience. I use both in my gigs and will favor one or another depending on situation.

  • @GPPiano
    @GPPiano Рік тому +1

    We’d get a lot of hate from the crowd and listeners and critics if we do something the composer didn’t write. Considering how much debate is already around peddling for Mozart and Bach, can you imagine the outrage changing the notes will bring?

  • @brandonmacey964
    @brandonmacey964 Рік тому +15

    I don't often play jazz, but when I do, it's gospel based

  • @Highinsight7
    @Highinsight7 Рік тому +3

    I'm both an organist and a classical pianist... as an organist, I improvise all the time... BUT I always improvise a encore

  • @drewpalasick3681
    @drewpalasick3681 Рік тому +2

    anyone know the piece at the beginning? Recognize but can't name

  • @alexanderchirozidi4572
    @alexanderchirozidi4572 Рік тому +3

    Who is the lady at the end of the video playing the first chord of Beethoven Sonata 8?

    • @mr2922
      @mr2922 Рік тому

      That's Beethoven herself!

  • @hendrik4801
    @hendrik4801 Рік тому +3

    What about partimento?

  • @alexandreblanc9294
    @alexandreblanc9294 3 місяці тому

    Meeeeeeeh!!!! It's difficult to say that because it's hard to improvise poetry or a masterpiece of painting. We focus on the sound, reproducing the score but with our meaning and our skills. You can't compare immprovising on a jazz standard and tell a classical pianist that he can't improvise Chopin's sonata in b flat. Personnaly I can improvise in a classical style but I always play the scores because the composers are genius and they write the best way they can to share the emotion of the piece they've written.

  • @zzzut
    @zzzut Рік тому

    I was told that the present rigid approach to classical music is relatively recent. In opera singing, for instance, many of the high notes, ornaments and even cadenzas that are performed today were not written. In the golden years of bel canto, every performer was encouraged to add his or her personal touch. Sometime in the 20th century, voice teachers started to tell singers to stick to the written score but oddly enough, many of the virtuoso parts of those scores are some of the best improvised variations from the early singers. I don’t know whether that is true or not but that’s what I was told.

  • @elodier352
    @elodier352 Рік тому

    Indeed we lost a bit the notion of improvising in classical music, at least for the firts years but later when a pianist become more accomplish he is also able to improvise. It is actually the case for most classical concertist.

  • @jamesonrichards5105
    @jamesonrichards5105 Рік тому +1

    can we please bring back improv in classical music

  • @LivingGuy484
    @LivingGuy484 Рік тому

    I really liked the music in the background! It was a nice touch

  • @tedpiano
    @tedpiano Рік тому

    The ending is so real lmao

  • @dl7857
    @dl7857 Рік тому +1

    Yes and no, when comparing to language, you can perform a well-known poem on a stage or entertain as a stand-up comedian improvising on the go. Both are good, and both have their place on the stage.

  • @abyssalchaos7254
    @abyssalchaos7254 6 місяців тому

    I'm a classical music player and I'm used to improvise on common pieces, and I usuallly compose stuff by doing that

  • @musicsdarkangel
    @musicsdarkangel Рік тому

    I've been saying this for years and wrote my masters thesis on "how to learn and teach classical improvisation". You label the chords as if it was a jazz chart (use names not roman numerals. Ex. GM) and then follow with the corresponding scales/key you're in. With some practice, you'll be feeling your way around. You can also vocalize this to be more intentional. To improvise the left hand or harmony with both hands, simply keep the same chords but change the texture (example: for a G major harmony, you can play any of those G B D's on the piano in any assortment, rhythm or texture). With some practice, it'll start feeling natural. Mozart is a great starting point since his music is so scalar and clearly reflects his improvising genius. The Twinkle Variations alone are like a study in improvisation.

  • @shakesrear7850
    @shakesrear7850 Рік тому +3

    Name of the piece pls?

  • @TreasureX7
    @TreasureX7 Рік тому +3

    I am a classical pianist and I improvise. Let’s make it short like a Shorts: difference between Earth and Moon.

  • @owenomalley4456
    @owenomalley4456 Рік тому +2

    I improvise classically it's very fun!

  • @aloziecnwachukwu1515
    @aloziecnwachukwu1515 7 днів тому

    I’m classically trained with Jazz & gospel music background. Classical music definitely has its advantages over jazz in some instances. Being able to tackle Transcendental Etudes by Liszt without being SAVED by making up your own notes due to difficulties will force the pianist to train EVEN harder. Because of my classical background(Conservatory trained pianist), jazz became quite easy for me because of the extreme classical pieces in my repertoire (Liszt B-minor sonata, Dante Sonata, Paganini etudes, Rachmaninov, Chopin numerous pieces,etc. etc). Now with that said, being ALL classical without abilities to create also has a disadvantages. Also, I’m a h trained Organist which also allows me to improvise for example at the last verse of a church hymn. All MUSIC are great. Jazz in particular hold high in my playing.

  • @HalTuberman
    @HalTuberman Рік тому +1

    Both approaches have merit.

  • @DragosDomnara
    @DragosDomnara Рік тому +1

    Does anyone know the piece played at the beginning?

  • @jeromeblanchet3827
    @jeromeblanchet3827 29 днів тому

    ''can you imagine a language you cannot speak and can only memorize'' well, the point of classical music is that this language include the most beautiful words you will ever heard and learning to know the words, and interpret the words is great and entertaining and satisfying. A legendary film doesn't needs improvisation. It needs interpretation at best.

  • @sebthi7890
    @sebthi7890 5 місяців тому

    Since I started my free Improvisations on the piano I could improve my side reading

  • @HardluckHutch
    @HardluckHutch Рік тому

    It’s crazy because improvisation was a HUGE part of the great composers skill set, they did it all the time.

  • @Garfield_Minecraft
    @Garfield_Minecraft Рік тому +1

    learning a language is not like music
    i never speak but i listen to it(i'm introvert)
    and i play instrument i learn techniques and practice it

  • @cadriver2570
    @cadriver2570 Рік тому

    Great short and all, but have you got any Pez?

  • @floridamansgarage8629
    @floridamansgarage8629 Рік тому

    What were they playing at the beginning

  • @alrisan71
    @alrisan71 Рік тому +1

    what's really matters is the music itself, no matter whether it is improvised or not. Improvised bad music will always be bad music.

  • @jayr526
    @jayr526 Рік тому

    Do you play the transcendental attitudes by Liszt?

  • @gunnarplettenberg2335
    @gunnarplettenberg2335 Рік тому

    Actually we learn Latin in school so basicly to read the old roman Texts like Ciceros Speeches or Julius Cessrs de bello galico. So yes you can learn a language like this.😊 it is more than just memorizing the Text, you need to understand it too.

  • @dskinner6263
    @dskinner6263 Рік тому

    This surely short changes the endeavors and achievements of so many musicians. Perhaps there's a better way than this to encourage people to use their ears and imagination. I don't think the study and performance of written music is really comparable to the study of a dead language. Hearing (or learning to play) a written composition is still a living experience.

  • @pjbpiano
    @pjbpiano Рік тому

    I generally think that most classical music aficionados and experts do not actually understand what it means to improvise.
    Most people think that improvisation is all about the creation of new notes. But that is just one type of improvisation. You can still memorize entire notes and still improvise how the performance ought to go.
    That said however, many classical pianists do improvise. They are just unable to improvise in the language of the many composers music that they perform. Tone Base should really look into this and getting things right.

  • @parsagholizadeh2988
    @parsagholizadeh2988 Рік тому +1

    Name of this song?

    • @muzakfan
      @muzakfan Рік тому

      Does anyone know, it sounded amazing

  • @EANNE1000
    @EANNE1000 Рік тому +1

    We read music and the rewards are the same, or greater, as reading any text.

  • @andreashoppe1969
    @andreashoppe1969 Рік тому +1

    I don't make mistakes. I am just improvising

  • @dalsegno1251
    @dalsegno1251 Рік тому +1

    Classical pianists express themselves through their personal interpretations of these masterpieces, but not too long ago, they did improvise.

  • @davidgisbert4073
    @davidgisbert4073 Рік тому

    Who is the pianist that plays a chord at the end of the video?

  • @Markenanwalt
    @Markenanwalt 6 місяців тому

    Best classical improviation in different styles: Gabriela Montero, really great!

  • @MayhemJack
    @MayhemJack Рік тому +1

    And that's why I quit music school-because I wanted to make music.

  • @on-the-spot9467
    @on-the-spot9467 Рік тому +3

    If I were you sir, I would shave it all. Promise!

    • @sonofbasedgod
      @sonofbasedgod Рік тому +4

      thanks i was looking for a comment acknowledging the haircut

  • @jonh284
    @jonh284 Рік тому

    Classical vs jazz is a false dichotomy. I, for one, like to practice classical pieces to harvest various techniques and expressions/moods to apply to my adventures into “new” music. It’s a give and take.

  • @nineskies5907
    @nineskies5907 Рік тому

    Same with guitar. (Usually electrical) guitarists are expected to improvise as they practice from the moment they learn their first scale

  • @Rach882
    @Rach882 Рік тому

    Can someone tell me whats the name of the piece of music at the beginning of this video?

  • @nenitsa.m
    @nenitsa.m Рік тому

    I am a professional educated classical pianist. To be more precise, I am learning now Rachmaninov’s 3rd piano concerto, which is considered one of the most difficult piano creations ever. Now I am a student composer at the conservatory only because I was improvising, working, reading and practicing for a few years. So classical pianists do improvise, and some of us can do this very well. I like both classical and jazz music, so I improvise in both styles equally, but I guess in classical style I do better because I like it a bit more :)
    What was I trying to say…oh, exactly - listen a lot of music, do some analysis and most important - go practice!!!

  • @encefalord
    @encefalord Рік тому

    Classical education was about learning latin reading the biggest classics and it worked for millenia

  • @mabdub
    @mabdub Рік тому

    I've read that at least two thirds of Chopin's actual output were improvisations of his own music which at the time was the main reason people flocked to hear him play. It seems as though it's the composers who are allowed to improvise unless it's jazz.

    • @h5mind373
      @h5mind373 Рік тому

      People forget, "classical" music was modern for its day, and office unique and experimental.

  • @nuclearfrog306
    @nuclearfrog306 Рік тому +3

    man....
    it's time for him to let the hair go...

  • @paulthomson2288
    @paulthomson2288 3 місяці тому

    Had piano lessons as a kid in classical style. I lost interest but a quarter of a century later I became interested again in modern style. Still terrible player but so much more fun. But those boring dry theories learned at primary school definitely helped decades later.

  • @daviddonascimento
    @daviddonascimento Рік тому

    *That one famous classical pianist that improvised Chopin at a recital* : I have no weaknesses

  • @BaggyPop
    @BaggyPop 10 місяців тому

    I have never felt more valid. An arpeggio is just an arpeggio, doesn’t mean I’m influenced by beethoven. All classical musicians can improvise, they are just too blind to recognize music as music.

  • @heikomankin3410
    @heikomankin3410 Рік тому

    What's the piece at the beginning of the clip again? I recognise it, but can't remember which piece it was.

  • @sadecevanced8282
    @sadecevanced8282 Рік тому

    Was that last chord the beginning of Pathetique Sonata Mov1?

  • @GdHNightshade
    @GdHNightshade Рік тому

    I'm a classicle pianist, and I learned how to improvise in a classicle style and use baroque methods, too. However, I've never played jazz.

  • @paolosalvi2606
    @paolosalvi2606 Рік тому

    It's NOT about classical music or jazz music. The point is how you approach music and its meaning.

  • @AFS-ht7bg
    @AFS-ht7bg 3 місяці тому +1

    Using your illustration: you still need to write something that people can read and understand. Writing gibberish is still gibberish. I made something completely new opytrewvs96ndt. I'm a genius! 😎

  • @andrewbrooks7988
    @andrewbrooks7988 Рік тому +1

    It’s time dawg
    But I agree with what dude said

  • @gx3079
    @gx3079 2 місяці тому

    music IS a language and the man explained it perfectly. SPEAK! BE FLUENT! don’t just recite the words of others as if that’s enough

  • @mikewhelan9561
    @mikewhelan9561 Рік тому +2

    Unsubscribe from tonebase Piano?

  • @bimini1216
    @bimini1216 2 місяці тому

    Some jazz guys love to add in classical elements. It's not binary. Both combined are are great

  • @fatitankeris6327
    @fatitankeris6327 Рік тому +1

    I'm kinda the opposite: classical improvisation, not really performing pieces.

  • @thatpianoman925
    @thatpianoman925 Рік тому

    I couldn't improvise if my life depended on it. If its not on the paper, I dont know what the next note ahould be.

  • @the_metamancer
    @the_metamancer Рік тому

    Romantic pianists: both please

  • @framesgames7063
    @framesgames7063 5 днів тому

    “The Waldstein, Jerry, the Waldstein!”

  • @danielfrancoise8881
    @danielfrancoise8881 Рік тому

    I supous that this part of concerto for Piano and orquesta where Mozart wrote "cadenza" was for IMPROVISATION😆
    JAZZ is the opositor of clásica repertorio but MANY People play both very WELL.

  • @AntiXImmortal
    @AntiXImmortal Рік тому

    As both a jazz performer and classical piano enthusiast, the single difference between a jazz and classical pianist is that a jazz pianist performs with their ears, while a classical pianist performs with their eyes.

  • @o-k9267
    @o-k9267 Рік тому +1

    If I should only play jazz, which I love, then why did Chopin or Liszt and others composed such genial works that reel you in and just beg to be played?

  • @bzedman
    @bzedman Рік тому +2

    I found this "Classical vs. Jazz" music and musicians a snotty misstatement of what classical music is, and the jazz proponents have a deliberate or even ignorant misunderstanding of what kind of music classical is. The word "Classical" implies enduring value over time, and musicians who can tap into that value have the wit and imagination to delve into a time different from our own and rediscover that others have created. Jazz too could be called an elitest pursuit cared for only by an elite few. I find both the jazz musician and the classical musician comments in this video short-sighted, the jazz musician is self-serving and maybe envious, and the classicist self loathing. This is a stupid and bogus presentation.

  • @accountno5571
    @accountno5571 Рік тому +5

    Speak for yourself. I'm a classical pianist and I improvise all the time. It was an examined part of my master's degree. Most classical pianists I know how to improvise, whether that's in cadenzas, or added decorations in a repeated section of music. Plus when a page turn goes wrong or a mistake is made - most classical pianists must know how to improvise a little to cover those mistakes and keep the music coherent. While you're correct in saying it's not as big a part of classical music performance as it once was, and is more prevalent in jazz, it is still an essential skill that almost every professional pianist knows how to do. Don't spread misinformation please.