As a fighting game fan, it becomes quickly obvious why lowering execution, removing character learning, taking out mixups, taking out real combos and letting people get out of them easily (all things FG newcomers and scrubs complain about) maybe isn't the best idea for a competitive game. As a Dragon Ball fan though, the chaos in this game makes me cackle maniacally, and honestly the only things that I wish they change are the netcode and the horrid character select screen 😂😂😂
They should have gone with the usual 2D character screen for the sheer size of the cast and for fast team selection. I do agree some dumbed down mechanics can be annoying but DragonBall by nature is chaotic so I have a lot of fun with all the chaos and cheese strats. Still hope Bandai implement Rollback or something because this game sold like hotcakes and deserves to live longer after 17 years of waiting for a Tenkaichi sequel.
Please God add a cost to super counter. remove skill count gain from all mechanics that have it and leave it at a flat rate. Fix vanish chains to have them speed up each time. I think those three changes will make this game 10x more enjoyable. Maybe revert afterimage strikes to how it was in BT. Have it give you ki sickness, and be unusable again until you charge to full. I don't think afterimage strikes is that hard to deal with. It's just super annoying and makes stalling happen when they can activate it back to back to back.
@Swiftduck00 skill count gain should be fine. Limit the number of vanishes afterimage strike gives. I like the idea of altering vanish timing, but wouldn't speeding it up just result in it getting easier to mash it? Maybe give the player more control on timing. Hold for a lomger pause before you reappear, or lightly tap to reappear faster. Kind of make it like charge attacks. Maybe make it cost more and more ki to keep vanishing, so you have to use a super counter or something else Instead of perma vanish. Could also add a retreat vanish, so that you can just get out of the vanish war altogether and follow up with something else. Hold back while vanishing.
@@perplexed89 i will take any change to vanish wars that will either strongly limit them or eliminate them entirely. When they go away, skill count problems will diminish but not go away. Most battles I do end up with both players spending over 25 skill count. That is insane, and with how unbalanced and annoying so many skills are, it's a detriment to enjoyable gameplay. Trust me, unlimited skill count is a major issue. With so many defensive mechanics and all of them giving some amount of meter, it's completely dictating the way the game is played, and in a Negative way in terms of enjoyability. Afterimage strikes simply needs a limit on how often it can be used. I think the skill count nerf would fix it completely. It's not hard to deal with, but the ways you deal with it fuel their next use of it. I think the gameplay itself just needs to be balanced in terms of offense vs defense. And the easiest most accessible way to do that is to just nerf defense a bit. It's so overtuned. It makes every game at high skill levels a stalemate just racing to the end of the clock. There's no skill in mashing defense or only having to read 1/6 times and the rest of your defense options are all easily doable on slow reaction. I don't even want the game to be competitive. I just want a few changes to make it fun. I really miss my d and c rank time.
The video title reminds me of the first and last Smash Bros Brawl tournament I entered when that game was new. It was a small time regional, but the game was so popular that there were hundreds of entrants. So the format used to eliminate players before the double elimination bracket began, was round robin pools. 10-man round robin pools. If you're used to entering tournaments, you might be used to playing two or three times before you're out. Five or six if you're good. For round robin, you play everyone in your pool. So 9 games, before the actual bracket even begins. Over the course of the next 2-3 hours, I fell all the way out of love with that game competitively. I can't imagine putting myself through that crap ever again, especially not for a game like Sparking Zero...
Yeah, apparently the devs said it’s difficult to implement rollback because of how it’ll interfere with the timing/frames of certain moves and animations. There’s also a chance it could fuck up the camera since this isn’t a 2D fighter like FighterZ.
I swear some arena anime fighting games are fun, but the anime arena players are some of the softest type of players I've seen. The fact that they won't even give you a runback whether you win or lose proves they don't have that mentality necessary to actually overcome and get good. Just abuse the easiest applied cheese and if worse comes to worse pull the plug. Wish there was a more competitive mindset from these arena anime players
Playing this game is fun if youre a DBZ fan. But watching people play it is terrible. It's not the fault of the streamers; these games have always been jenky and awkward.
Hell no please go watch some competetive bt3, that shit is HYPE! They definitly have to change some things about SZ because as it is rn it's just...not fun.
@@ShikiRyougi05 personally I've seen a lot of comp BT3 and know a lot of the tech myself, but it would be intellectually dishonest of me to say that they're not jank or awkward. Most of the characters playing the same, and the top 3 characters are top 3 BECAUSE of the jank, and being able to exploit it. It's definitely better than the vanish wars meta of current SZ, but only marginally so, especially considering SZ has a 1000 times more people playing it online.
This game is literally about mashing. Thats why these people want to consider it competitive and better than normal fighting games. I dont knownwhy they even wnt it to be sweaty. I can appreciate a dbz game existing to just be fun.
@@Tinil0 I'm referring to the literal competitive tactics I'm watching in this video on display. It's a mashfest. The skill ceiling is low. I don't know why people want the game to be. Serious competitive fighter so bad. Just let the game be fun.
@@noBody-ue6cs this game can be balanced and have some high ceiling and still be fun for casuals lol. Competitive games does not equal unfun for casuals. I don't know where this idea comes from. Anyways a sweat will beat a casual in this game as the same in balanced competitive game. Unbalanced mechanics that don't reward skill are not fun period.
Honestly even knowing it's not a competitive fighting game (in the sense that it'd be balanced etc), this looks amazingly miserable to actually play. I could kinda feel it back in the Tenkaichi 3 days but as soon as we got "Tiers" of characters that just don't react at all to lower tiers it feels over.
@@mercury6032 They should make vanish wars so that they don't just make you teleport behind the other (give it more variety) / give it more neutral viability . Iirc previous BT had it that you could vanish further away from the opponent or atleast step back e.g. to set you up for a rush attack from neutral instead of this.
3 character dp battle? I would go goku black, zamasu, and z broly. Broly is obvious. A five cost that can become a top 5 character with super armor against low dp. Goku black is a 5 dp with a quick transformation into rose, who has instant spark. Goku black himself is rlt strong untransformed. Zamasu is underrated too. He has after image strike and a strong ultimate. Plus if you add him you can fuse to fused zamasu, who can also hang with the greats.
28:50 btw, you can dodge by holding the vanish button during the animation. It buffers the input so if a hit connects fast enough (aka close range) it will hit during the vanish timing. Close range unblockables should never hit you unless you were pressing buttons @@Diaphone
Is there a benefit to fusing mid match vs picking the character already fused? Do you get extra stat boosts or more health? Im sorry if that sounds like a dumb question, Im new.
@@Dredabeast95 im not sure if you get more health. I think you get the combined health of both characters, however, the fusion is more powerful if u fused it.
This game DESPERATELY needs a Snapback mechanic and a nerf to life recovery when tagging out. Increased startup on Senzu and AIS would also be nice, but the lack of any counterplay to character swapping absolutely cripples the competitive viability of this game.
@@PR1ME98 I'm quite disappointed in the vanish wars in this game. Tenkaichi 3 had a tighter window that's why it was so epic to watch. I wish SZ would adjust this to become faster and faster every vanish. But I doubt they'll do it
@@whatsupgamers139it's a lose lose situation even if they make it a tighter window. Since the game has delay based Netcode and doesn't even tell you what the delay is they game has to have a large window otherwise it's even more luck based. The mechanic itself is broken but I would argue Super Counter is more egregious than it.
Great performance, first of all. 1:18:40 you could do the blast or rush special sometimes for free damage. I know sparking mode is the top priority, but that free special does so much damage. Could’ve possibly changed the outcome
I don’t ever wanna down talk any game and their community but I really have no idea how anyone can even consider playing an arena fighter seriously. “Elite” arena fighter gameplay has gotta be number 1 in terrible to play and watch of any gaming genre. Storm and sparking zero are easily the best arena fighters and I would never want to watch two good players compete in a set
@@pedroajax1 teu comentário não tem nada a ver com o que ele disse o cara disse que SZ e naruto storm são os 2 melhores arena fighters, mas os 2 são paia de assistir e jogar em alto nível ele não disse que são iguais, nem que são parecidos, só que são arena fighters (e são mesmo)
One of the worst things about this game, is that, at least in my case, higher ranks dont equate to better players, higher ranks usually just means theres a degenerate at the other end who will do whatever he can to win. True skill in this game just doesnt mean nothing at all, but theres actual skill to it. i can assure you of that Makes me mad at the devs, are they actually braindead? Theres actual attempts at balancing, but theres other stuff that proved that they did not care enough at all. i like this game so much, but I learned to hate the playerbase, they disgust me so much. Its not everybody though, theres a ton of good players and great fights to be had, they are just not the majority. If the game stays the same, ill prolly drop it in a few months. Tired of fighting the same 5 characters in ranked and the ai difficulty just aint it.
It’s cheesy lol I perfected a dude online. He rematches and switches to gogeta. Wins by abusing after image and running away to ultimate, then proceeds to message me after the win 😂
I absolutely love this game, but I would never touch it in any serious sense. I honestly don't even know why they bothered having a ranked mode, I have not heard a single person say anything good about it.
You played extrememly well in my eyes especially with this being a fighting game with many mechanics that you arent used to. Looking forawrd to seeing more content from you as always!!!!!!
Yeah I returned this game once I realized there was no significant differences in how you play most characters lol that’s just not what fighting games are to me. This feels more like a rhythm game at times. Not for me.
I'm standing off to the side watching everyone get so overly excited for Sparking 0 and I'm thinking to myself, "have they forgot about the Xenoverse games and Naruto Ultimate Storm games?" I've always understood that arena fighters aren't supposed to be taken seriously or played competitively. It's for fans of the series to press a button and see the cool thing from the anime or manga happen on screen. I'm glad you've at least come to the realization now.
Well storm was popular for a time but the online was definitely something and xv is just not a good environment for competitive play from the balance to the online. Sz just feels more "curated" yk
the naruto storm games aren't good, naruto clash of ninja 4 and clash of ninja revolution 3 are the goats. the DB xenoverse games all have terrible gameplay, which is corrected with sparking zero. if xenoverse 2 had sparking zero's gameplay, that would make it the best dragon ball game ever.
The game needs tweaking, that is all really. Degrading it to this extent is at least somewhat disingenuous. Previous BT's had a better competitive scene from a gameplay pov.
The fact that they don't have to charge at all gives them so many more options. Any charging character basically has to open themselves up whenever they charge to get ki which makes them vulnerable to attack or you just do it very far away to get a little bit of extra ki which gives the opponent time to plan whatever. Androids can be on the attack permanently because they don't have that weakness.
is this game fun ? people should start asking this question to themselves instead of saying "is this game competitively viable ?" a game is fun first, then if it's viable for competition, it's even better. Guilty Gear Strive was terrible at it's release, but it was fun, same for Granblue, same for SF6. in my case, I still don't understand all the gameplay mechanics of the game, but I have fun with the game. a fun I didn't have with other 3D dragon ball games (outside of budokai 2 and tenkaichi 2), especially xenoverse 2 that was terribly bad despite its huge content.
FGC is gonna self implode when this wins Fighting Game of The Year, and the casual audience are gonna mad confused if Tekken 8 wins or if this game doesn't come under that category. Either way i can already see the discourse whenever The Game Awards come around.
I'm guessing this was on PC and not PS5? Also, everytime you landed a throw with Wheelo, I wished you would have spent the 3 to go into Sparking instead of following up with a vanish in order to give them the opportunity to vanish war you back. Or even going straight into your Ultimate Blast
Try not to spam ki blasts against afterimage strike characters. Your skill gauge goes up quick when you deflect them. So you basically feed the cheese lmao.
This game looks like some dookie but some of yall are definitely taking this way too seriously lol. If people want to fuck around with a party game its what it is let them have fun. If anyone is coping about this being actually competitively viable in the long term tho you're crazy 😂
Diaphone, when are you gonna talk about how broken the core combat system is what with Super Counters, Z Counters, and unblockable supers/ultimates being a thing and how it's not good for the health & longevity of the game? I'm sure you and I both know how bad it is. Bring me on so we can discuss if you want, please.
This game's fanboys are doing their best to make sure it dies in a month man I swear to god. They'll constantly say "it's not supposed to be balanced" over and over again to excuse literal broken mechanics that make the game actively unfun to play, and you just know none of them play online at high ranks if they play online at all. I'm very pessimistic towards the future of this game sadly.
@@steel5897 Wanna play with me? I have an idea that would make the game so much better. Also, holy shit you have the same experience I do. I'm in a DBSZ Discord and I keep telling them how broken the game is and literally their only responses are: "Git gud" "Mad cuz bad" "Game is supposed to be unbalanced". This game is gonna die within a few months if it stays as it is. They literally won't listen.
Lol the fact you think those are the problems is actually a skill issue. Super counters only work if your timing is predictable swap it up. Unblockables are a different story but you shouldn’t be complaining about any of your defensive options when you have so many offensive ones to get around them. People ask for a deep game and then when it is they’re like omg there’s too many mechanics for me to handle take them out 😂
@@mnonodzilala8508 The fact that you think it isn't a problem is a skill issue, you're not good enough to know how broken these are and make the game non viable competitively. Super counters are 100% mashable and easy AF to get consistently unless you have bad latency with the other player. There are no good offensive options other than ki blasts and unblockables, because there are no true combos and way too many defensive options, including resource free get out jail ones like super counter.
I saw people like MightyKeef saying that there's no reason why this game shouldn't be at EVO. Gonna link people to this video that say that from now on. This seems like no one is having fun, both playing and watching. What a drag.
The first match turned me off so much from this game. No thanks, if that’s the play to win I will never touch this game again. Guess it will only be a fun party game with my friends who won’t do shit like that
Who in their right mind ever thought this would be a genuine competitive fighting game? It's just a game for has beens who only buy games when you tug at their nostalgia strings.
I love this game, but the fact that you can keep hitting someone in sparking until they fall over, then hit them with an ultimate is super cheap. You couldn't do that in bt3
You can't. Super counter(meterless) and revenge counter are both very easy counters to pull off against sparking rush attack spam. Even if they're behind you(super counter).
@@seedem7861 true, super counter does work but I was mostly referring to the fact that if you're lying on the ground in sparking zero you can still get hit, which feels cheap. In bt3 if you got knocked to the ground and was lying down you couldn't get hit. The fact that super counter exists does make it a little better.
I wonder how BT3 became so beloved when everyone is complaining about this games current state. Despite BT3 being a broken mess of a game (balance-wise) this game is not meant to be competitive and that doesn't mean it will die
Most ppl were kids and streaming/esports weren't a thing. So ppl just enjoyed a good DBZ game despite the jank and had fun. I agree this is not supposed to be competitive in the slightest
Why not try BT3 and give the opinion of someone that played a lot of fighting games, but's new to arena, and say how this one fair to that without the nostalgic glasses. But maybe just I would like to see it xD
@@2Namii a lot of the mechanics require 30 frames to be more lenient. If it was 60 frames, certain techniques would only be executable in the time span of one frame. That’s why it’s important that it’s in 30 frames and why 60 frames is often not used in competitive tournaments. Ask any T3 player and they’ll tell you it’s a blessing.
@@2Namii I mean, it doesn’t look that bad. Also the reason why I assumed they meant competitively is when people say it’s held back by 30 FPS they’re usually talking about gameplay wise too. It’s been a common complaint that I’ve seen a lot so that’s why it was my assumption.
I dont play fighting games, but i picked this up because I like DBZ I genuinely dont understand all the people saying that this game is all cheese, or that not a competetive game. Every fighting game from what I have seen is just finding the cheese that people like and having a big name player call it 'top tier'. Yajirobe needs nerfed though.
Not trying to be that guy, but it really doesn't seem or feel that bad personally. People have short memories, do ya'll remember strives Sol Badguy on launch, or SF6 launch JP? Like yeah it needs work but every FG ranked sucks at launch
careful bro, red rank tekken 8 and gold rank sf6 players need to protect what little they got. Fighting games take a year~ until they don't suck absolute balls these days, and before "these days", fighting games weren't competitive and were full of cheesy bullshit.
In those games the issue was the character while for this the "issue" is the game itself. There's always gonna be some cheese or jank in this game, and that's ok just doesn't make it viable competitively
@@OseiTheWarriors name 1 fighting game from before 2014 that wasn't fundamentally broken or "non-competitive" in some way. You can't. Whether a game is competitive or not is arbitrary and more or less up to the popularity of the game. Your acting like an elitist despite having no soapbox to really stand on.
I loved playing bt3 and sparking zero is so much fun to play but yea im over it now because all i see online now is cheese... People running the clock instead of engaging and just plain ol boring after image strikes and yajirobi heals... People wanna win so bad, they'll do anything.
As a fighting game fan, it becomes quickly obvious why lowering execution, removing character learning, taking out mixups, taking out real combos and letting people get out of them easily (all things FG newcomers and scrubs complain about) maybe isn't the best idea for a competitive game.
As a Dragon Ball fan though, the chaos in this game makes me cackle maniacally, and honestly the only things that I wish they change are the netcode and the horrid character select screen 😂😂😂
They should have gone with the usual 2D character screen for the sheer size of the cast and for fast team selection. I do agree some dumbed down mechanics can be annoying but DragonBall by nature is chaotic so I have a lot of fun with all the chaos and cheese strats. Still hope Bandai implement Rollback or something because this game sold like hotcakes and deserves to live longer after 17 years of waiting for a Tenkaichi sequel.
I thought they had a trailer promoting the game with rollback.
Please God add a cost to super counter. remove skill count gain from all mechanics that have it and leave it at a flat rate. Fix vanish chains to have them speed up each time.
I think those three changes will make this game 10x more enjoyable.
Maybe revert afterimage strikes to how it was in BT. Have it give you ki sickness, and be unusable again until you charge to full. I don't think afterimage strikes is that hard to deal with. It's just super annoying and makes stalling happen when they can activate it back to back to back.
@Swiftduck00 skill count gain should be fine. Limit the number of vanishes afterimage strike gives. I like the idea of altering vanish timing, but wouldn't speeding it up just result in it getting easier to mash it? Maybe give the player more control on timing. Hold for a lomger pause before you reappear, or lightly tap to reappear faster. Kind of make it like charge attacks. Maybe make it cost more and more ki to keep vanishing, so you have to use a super counter or something else Instead of perma vanish.
Could also add a retreat vanish, so that you can just get out of the vanish war altogether and follow up with something else. Hold back while vanishing.
@@perplexed89 i will take any change to vanish wars that will either strongly limit them or eliminate them entirely.
When they go away, skill count problems will diminish but not go away. Most battles I do end up with both players spending over 25 skill count. That is insane, and with how unbalanced and annoying so many skills are, it's a detriment to enjoyable gameplay. Trust me, unlimited skill count is a major issue. With so many defensive mechanics and all of them giving some amount of meter, it's completely dictating the way the game is played, and in a Negative way in terms of enjoyability.
Afterimage strikes simply needs a limit on how often it can be used. I think the skill count nerf would fix it completely. It's not hard to deal with, but the ways you deal with it fuel their next use of it.
I think the gameplay itself just needs to be balanced in terms of offense vs defense. And the easiest most accessible way to do that is to just nerf defense a bit. It's so overtuned. It makes every game at high skill levels a stalemate just racing to the end of the clock. There's no skill in mashing defense or only having to read 1/6 times and the rest of your defense options are all easily doable on slow reaction.
I don't even want the game to be competitive. I just want a few changes to make it fun.
I really miss my d and c rank time.
Yajirobe literally sounds like Muscleman
Muscleman sounds like yajirobe
@@thephantazm5139Muscleman >
Istg I seen a Yajirobe blue search comment on UA-cam
@@bry0same
Im hoping theres going to be a mod where we can play as muscle man
The video title reminds me of the first and last Smash Bros Brawl tournament I entered when that game was new. It was a small time regional, but the game was so popular that there were hundreds of entrants. So the format used to eliminate players before the double elimination bracket began, was round robin pools.
10-man round robin pools.
If you're used to entering tournaments, you might be used to playing two or three times before you're out. Five or six if you're good.
For round robin, you play everyone in your pool. So 9 games, before the actual bracket even begins.
Over the course of the next 2-3 hours, I fell all the way out of love with that game competitively.
I can't imagine putting myself through that crap ever again, especially not for a game like Sparking Zero...
Now the question that I need to ask.
I'm not trolling btw.
Did you end up playing with someone who badly needs a deo?
This tournament lasted 7 hours btw lol
@@watermelonpizza7824 buddy, it was a large facility full of hundreds of smash players and giant, hot CRTs in 2008 Florida.
Everyone did
@@ITNoetic Dang that was an 08 tourney. o7
@@watermelonpizza7824 he said "when brawl was new"
6:25 Chat says they should have put Candy Vegito in the game. I agree, mostly because that'd be amazing for custom battles.
That did not look fun 💀
fr I was falling asleep on the FIRST game
cause its not
If you told me two weeks ago I'd be voluntarily watching a 2+ hour long sparking zero tournament VOD, i would've laughed in your face
Oh god, I forgot this had delay-based netcode.
Yeah, apparently the devs said it’s difficult to implement rollback because of how it’ll interfere with the timing/frames of certain moves and animations.
There’s also a chance it could fuck up the camera since this isn’t a 2D fighter like FighterZ.
Arena fighters never have rollback bro
The netcode is actually really good for delay based tho, consistant delay and no stutters.
Man, 10 year old me would have loved this game. 30 year old me is glad he saved his money.
I'm 34 and i bought this yesterday, it's awesome
@ghhdgjjfjjggj I feel like I would get burnt out quickly. I really only play fighting games now. Glad you are enjoying it!
I swear some arena anime fighting games are fun, but the anime arena players are some of the softest type of players I've seen. The fact that they won't even give you a runback whether you win or lose proves they don't have that mentality necessary to actually overcome and get good. Just abuse the easiest applied cheese and if worse comes to worse pull the plug. Wish there was a more competitive mindset from these arena anime players
It's a huge reason why they want to act like sparking zero is gonna kill the main fgc fighting games. They can't hack it in a real fighting game.
even in the "real"fighting games people won't finush sets in casuals and ranked
Im hungry for the battle. I'll go 0-10 with anyone idc until its time to sleep cause we got work tomorrow lmao @@aspreedacore
@@Jardonius Yea. If i like the game, ill eat dirt all day.
@@JardoniusI like that name..
The last set with Hardy was mad hype. Kefla is our 🐐
Playing this game is fun if youre a DBZ fan.
But watching people play it is terrible. It's not the fault of the streamers; these games have always been jenky and awkward.
And watching higher rank players looks eerily similar to UNS gameplay with the constant vanish wars
Hell no please go watch some competetive bt3, that shit is HYPE!
They definitly have to change some things about SZ because as it is rn it's just...not fun.
@@ShikiRyougi05 personally I've seen a lot of comp BT3 and know a lot of the tech myself, but it would be intellectually dishonest of me to say that they're not jank or awkward. Most of the characters playing the same, and the top 3 characters are top 3 BECAUSE of the jank, and being able to exploit it.
It's definitely better than the vanish wars meta of current SZ, but only marginally so, especially considering SZ has a 1000 times more people playing it online.
@@theflashfan3234 Sparking looks nothing like Storm. Get your eyes checked.
@@jirenthegray5776 read the next 5 words after "UNS gameplay".
I love the Yajirobe ditto just sounding like Muscle Man fighting his inner demons.
This game is literally about mashing. Thats why these people want to consider it competitive and better than normal fighting games.
I dont knownwhy they even wnt it to be sweaty. I can appreciate a dbz game existing to just be fun.
It really isn't about mashing at all. Mashing will only win you games against really shitty newbie opponents, just like other fighting games.
@@Tinil0 I'm referring to the literal competitive tactics I'm watching in this video on display. It's a mashfest. The skill ceiling is low. I don't know why people want the game to be. Serious competitive fighter so bad. Just let the game be fun.
@@noBody-ue6cs this game can be balanced and have some high ceiling and still be fun for casuals lol. Competitive games does not equal unfun for casuals. I don't know where this idea comes from. Anyways a sweat will beat a casual in this game as the same in balanced competitive game. Unbalanced mechanics that don't reward skill are not fun period.
@@noBody-ue6csdefinitely wasn't mashing it was more just abusing cheap characters or mechanics
@@Deathcardcodwaw that's the point though. That is the META
I know that clip with cell, it was wild that he was just running all day.
I cant stop laughing the ape vegeta infinite was hilarious lmao
Those were some godlike wheelo footsies. These arena players gonna learn quick
Honestly even knowing it's not a competitive fighting game (in the sense that it'd be balanced etc), this looks amazingly miserable to actually play. I could kinda feel it back in the Tenkaichi 3 days but as soon as we got "Tiers" of characters that just don't react at all to lower tiers it feels over.
Honestly i think the most miserable part is all the vanish wars
They took out all the competitive nuance 3 had and it makes things a lot harder in general.
@@mercury6032 They should make vanish wars so that they don't just make you teleport behind the other (give it more variety) / give it more neutral viability . Iirc previous BT had it that you could vanish further away from the opponent or atleast step back e.g. to set you up for a rush attack from neutral instead of this.
seeing some semblance of community sanctioned competitive ruleset start to form is a weirdly warm feeling lol
3 character dp battle? I would go goku black, zamasu, and z broly.
Broly is obvious. A five cost that can become a top 5 character with super armor against low dp.
Goku black is a 5 dp with a quick transformation into rose, who has instant spark. Goku black himself is rlt strong untransformed.
Zamasu is underrated too. He has after image strike and a strong ultimate. Plus if you add him you can fuse to fused zamasu, who can also hang with the greats.
Yea I think this team is one of the best actually
28:50 btw, you can dodge by holding the vanish button during the animation. It buffers the input so if a hit connects fast enough (aka close range) it will hit during the vanish timing. Close range unblockables should never hit you unless you were pressing buttons @@Diaphone
@@sloesty Haha yea I found this out mid tourney, happened in the runback and I knew to hold
Is there a benefit to fusing mid match vs picking the character already fused? Do you get extra stat boosts or more health? Im sorry if that sounds like a dumb question, Im new.
@@Dredabeast95 im not sure if you get more health. I think you get the combined health of both characters, however, the fusion is more powerful if u fused it.
the best part about this is I can get up from my seat without pausing, get a drink, warm up a burrito, and the same match is still going
They should make it so that if you hold the vanish button in a vanish war, you will vanish without a followup attack to mixup vanish wars.
1:03:09 Yayirobe throwing a rock to the guy who wants to erradicate all mortals in the universe is so poetic
"Do not bother it is futile!"
Woah I don't think I've ever seen a UA-cam title change in real time before. Nice tournament so far lol
50 mins of a match, tournament match to be exact, did say a lot about how competitive this game is. 😂😂😂
Isn't that just show accurate?
@@extrawolf3864 Now let´s have a captain Tsubasa game where every match lasts three hours
This game DESPERATELY needs a Snapback mechanic and a nerf to life recovery when tagging out.
Increased startup on Senzu and AIS would also be nice, but the lack of any counterplay to character swapping absolutely cripples the competitive viability of this game.
Ah, the core tenet of gaming, Gamers Dont Look Up
I love the 3v3 DP format 🙏🏾
vanish wars is why i havent bothered touching online yet, so stupid
It's only stupid when people force it to go on for ages instead of using other options
I find it weird how many people liked it because it was “accurate to the faster fights in the show”
But now ppl are damn near demonizing it.
@@PR1ME98 I'm quite disappointed in the vanish wars in this game. Tenkaichi 3 had a tighter window that's why it was so epic to watch. I wish SZ would adjust this to become faster and faster every vanish. But I doubt they'll do it
@@whatsupgamers139it's a lose lose situation even if they make it a tighter window.
Since the game has delay based Netcode and doesn't even tell you what the delay is they game has to have a large window otherwise it's even more luck based.
The mechanic itself is broken but I would argue Super Counter is more egregious than it.
@@Potato_n_Tomato well atleast it won't be tiresome to watch lmao
Imagine accusing someone of cheesing in dragonball sparking zero? That's the meta, lol.
Great performance, first of all.
1:18:40 you could do the blast or rush special sometimes for free damage. I know sparking mode is the top priority, but that free special does so much damage. Could’ve possibly changed the outcome
i though the same thing, the ammount of times he could just pop a special with wilo but didnt.
I don’t ever wanna down talk any game and their community but I really have no idea how anyone can even consider playing an arena fighter seriously. “Elite” arena fighter gameplay has gotta be number 1 in terrible to play and watch of any gaming genre. Storm and sparking zero are easily the best arena fighters and I would never want to watch two good players compete in a set
Have played sparking? It's not only a arena fighting and have nothing to do with storm. You couldn't be more wrong
@@pedroajax1 teu comentário não tem nada a ver com o que ele disse
o cara disse que SZ e naruto storm são os 2 melhores arena fighters, mas os 2 são paia de assistir e jogar em alto nível
ele não disse que são iguais, nem que são parecidos, só que são arena fighters (e são mesmo)
None stop dodge mechanic constant reversal not to mention cheap characters yeah this game is cooked
"Storm and Sparking Zero are easily the best arena fighters"
Yeah, no. Sparking maybe but Storm is for babies.
Kill la Kill could have been competitive with a few adjustment, too bad the devs let the game die
Seeing the amount of grown ass men crying or throwing a tantrum on anyone who is playing DBSZ is laughable and enjoyable at the same time. 🤣🤣
Congratz on how far you made it, man! 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾
One of the worst things about this game, is that, at least in my case, higher ranks dont equate to better players, higher ranks usually just means theres a degenerate at the other end who will do whatever he can to win.
True skill in this game just doesnt mean nothing at all, but theres actual skill to it. i can assure you of that
Makes me mad at the devs, are they actually braindead?
Theres actual attempts at balancing, but theres other stuff that proved that they did not care enough at all.
i like this game so much, but I learned to hate the playerbase, they disgust me so much.
Its not everybody though, theres a ton of good players and great fights to be had, they are just not the majority.
If the game stays the same, ill prolly drop it in a few months.
Tired of fighting the same 5 characters in ranked and the ai difficulty just aint it.
It’s cheesy lol I perfected a dude online. He rematches and switches to gogeta. Wins by abusing after image and running away to ultimate, then proceeds to message me after the win 😂
It's supposed to be a casual party game. When you try to make it a viable competitive game, you're gonna give yourself a headache.
I´d love for you to try a singles tourney. At least the logistics of it won´t be as miserable
I absolutely love this game, but I would never touch it in any serious sense. I honestly don't even know why they bothered having a ranked mode, I have not heard a single person say anything good about it.
perfect take
You played extrememly well in my eyes especially with this being a fighting game with many mechanics that you arent used to. Looking forawrd to seeing more content from you as always!!!!!!
I mean he litteraly did perform well placement wise
Nah
Oh boy i didn't notice but we can see yajirobe's underwear in thumbnail xD
I think i made a good call trying to pick up MVC2 instead of sparking Zero lol!
MVC2 is goated. I don't blame you 😂
Yeah getting looped to death by Iron Man is way more interactive than this
W- What?
This game is pretty boring to watch. Every match feels the same, and there aren't huge meaningful differences between characters.
Yeah I returned this game once I realized there was no significant differences in how you play most characters lol that’s just not what fighting games are to me. This feels more like a rhythm game at times. Not for me.
Time for a little snack
I'm standing off to the side watching everyone get so overly excited for Sparking 0 and I'm thinking to myself, "have they forgot about the Xenoverse games and Naruto Ultimate Storm games?" I've always understood that arena fighters aren't supposed to be taken seriously or played competitively. It's for fans of the series to press a button and see the cool thing from the anime or manga happen on screen. I'm glad you've at least come to the realization now.
Well storm was popular for a time but the online was definitely something and xv is just not a good environment for competitive play from the balance to the online. Sz just feels more "curated" yk
Nailed it
the naruto storm games aren't good, naruto clash of ninja 4 and clash of ninja revolution 3 are the goats.
the DB xenoverse games all have terrible gameplay, which is corrected with sparking zero.
if xenoverse 2 had sparking zero's gameplay, that would make it the best dragon ball game ever.
The game needs tweaking, that is all really. Degrading it to this extent is at least somewhat disingenuous. Previous BT's had a better competitive scene from a gameplay pov.
I'm glad the Tenkaichi community is hell bent on making everything as miserable as humanly possible. Makes me feel better about the game's future.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the two hour feature length film: "Why we can't have nice things"
Even pro's struggle with super counter. Good to know XD.
To be fair, the androids being able to run around all day is canon to the anime. They're supposed to have limitless ki or something like that iirc.
this is a fighting game.
@@nahaj762 I'm not denying that, I'm just stating why I'm guessing they were banned, due to that fact lol
@@nahaj762barely
The fact that they don't have to charge at all gives them so many more options. Any charging character basically has to open themselves up whenever they charge to get ki which makes them vulnerable to attack or you just do it very far away to get a little bit of extra ki which gives the opponent time to plan whatever.
Androids can be on the attack permanently because they don't have that weakness.
@@nahaj762 Who cares? That is lore accurate and a nice compensation for them not being able to manually charge.
diaphone is a beast not only in traditional fighing games but arena fighters goatphone lets gooooooooooo.
is this game fun ?
people should start asking this question to themselves instead of saying "is this game competitively viable ?"
a game is fun first, then if it's viable for competition, it's even better.
Guilty Gear Strive was terrible at it's release, but it was fun, same for Granblue, same for SF6.
in my case, I still don't understand all the gameplay mechanics of the game, but I have fun with the game.
a fun I didn't have with other 3D dragon ball games (outside of budokai 2 and tenkaichi 2), especially xenoverse 2 that was terribly bad despite its huge content.
this is so cursed and yet so entertaining LMAO
FGC is gonna self implode when this wins Fighting Game of The Year, and the casual audience are gonna mad confused if Tekken 8 wins or if this game doesn't come under that category. Either way i can already see the discourse whenever The Game Awards come around.
It won't win dw
Watching this game on a "Competitive" platform should be preceded by an epilepsy warning. Fun game though.
I never know when diaphone is serious or sarcastic
people cant live without yajirobee
12:35 is bro okay? i am actually getting scared by the faces your making
I'm guessing this was on PC and not PS5?
Also, everytime you landed a throw with Wheelo, I wished you would have spent the 3 to go into Sparking instead of following up with a vanish in order to give them the opportunity to vanish war you back. Or even going straight into your Ultimate Blast
Giants & Yaijirobe need to be banned in tournaments, and I’m not gonna pretend they shouldn’t.
This is peak content. Let's hope the youtube gremlins can one day develop critical thinking skills
Try not to spam ki blasts against afterimage strike characters. Your skill gauge goes up quick when you deflect them. So you basically feed the cheese lmao.
But it's the only option when the skill is active lmao
Spamming ki blast and grabbing are like the only things you can do to attack them 😭
35:38 the bounce when you time the qte 😂
Knew vanish wars would be an issue by day 2-3. Glad other's are waking up to it. They need to fix it asap.
man I don't care how cheesy this game is I'm lovin it
This game looks like some dookie but some of yall are definitely taking this way too seriously lol. If people want to fuck around with a party game its what it is let them have fun.
If anyone is coping about this being actually competitively viable in the long term tho you're crazy 😂
Imma be honest, this game does not look like it has a fun online lol
Diaphone, when are you gonna talk about how broken the core combat system is what with Super Counters, Z Counters, and unblockable supers/ultimates being a thing and how it's not good for the health & longevity of the game?
I'm sure you and I both know how bad it is. Bring me on so we can discuss if you want, please.
This game's fanboys are doing their best to make sure it dies in a month man I swear to god. They'll constantly say "it's not supposed to be balanced" over and over again to excuse literal broken mechanics that make the game actively unfun to play, and you just know none of them play online at high ranks if they play online at all.
I'm very pessimistic towards the future of this game sadly.
Lmaoo I kinda already talked about it in my last vid or I would
@@steel5897 Wanna play with me? I have an idea that would make the game so much better.
Also, holy shit you have the same experience I do. I'm in a DBSZ Discord and I keep telling them how broken the game is and literally their only responses are: "Git gud" "Mad cuz bad" "Game is supposed to be unbalanced".
This game is gonna die within a few months if it stays as it is. They literally won't listen.
Lol the fact you think those are the problems is actually a skill issue. Super counters only work if your timing is predictable swap it up. Unblockables are a different story but you shouldn’t be complaining about any of your defensive options when you have so many offensive ones to get around them. People ask for a deep game and then when it is they’re like omg there’s too many mechanics for me to handle take them out 😂
@@mnonodzilala8508 The fact that you think it isn't a problem is a skill issue, you're not good enough to know how broken these are and make the game non viable competitively. Super counters are 100% mashable and easy AF to get consistently unless you have bad latency with the other player. There are no good offensive options other than ki blasts and unblockables, because there are no true combos and way too many defensive options, including resource free get out jail ones like super counter.
7:04 did he just miss his super on a giant?
It really pisses me off that they put team battles in this game but I can’t team up with friends to play other ppl smh
Yeah very odd we can't even do 3v3 or something. The irony that Fighterz has more party/casual online options than this game.
I saw people like MightyKeef saying that there's no reason why this game shouldn't be at EVO.
Gonna link people to this video that say that from now on. This seems like no one is having fun, both playing and watching. What a drag.
The guy in rouund three was actually just a dog in real life, that's why he couldn't look up
What's the name of the mod where you had free camera on Yajirobe at 2:06 ?
Me watching him get combo'd by Great Ape Vegeta with a full 6 skill count Dr. Wheelo and not spending anything to get out of it.
Beautiful video. I cant wait until they fix this DP glitch
Damn 2 hours after cutting non gameplay footage. I cant imagine how exhausted you were at the end
The first match turned me off so much from this game. No thanks, if that’s the play to win I will never touch this game again. Guess it will only be a fun party game with my friends who won’t do shit like that
Wont ever like a game till you try it For yourself
ranked is pretty cancer yeah
Who in their right mind ever thought this would be a genuine competitive fighting game?
It's just a game for has beens who only buy games when you tug at their nostalgia strings.
Lol I have 40 hours online and haven't seen one single giant character... it's not that deep bro.
@@thealgerian3285is that or competitive the only two options?
Honestly hilarious that Yajirobi is getting nerfed lol.... And, that it was his time to shine. 😆
I love this game, but the fact that you can keep hitting someone in sparking until they fall over, then hit them with an ultimate is super cheap. You couldn't do that in bt3
You can't. Super counter(meterless) and revenge counter are both very easy counters to pull off against sparking rush attack spam. Even if they're behind you(super counter).
@@seedem7861 true, super counter does work but I was mostly referring to the fact that if you're lying on the ground in sparking zero you can still get hit, which feels cheap. In bt3 if you got knocked to the ground and was lying down you couldn't get hit. The fact that super counter exists does make it a little better.
And we thought DBFZ games took too long 😂
I wonder how BT3 became so beloved when everyone is complaining about this games current state. Despite BT3 being a broken mess of a game (balance-wise) this game is not meant to be competitive and that doesn't mean it will die
Most ppl were kids and streaming/esports weren't a thing. So ppl just enjoyed a good DBZ game despite the jank and had fun.
I agree this is not supposed to be competitive in the slightest
Kinda wish it wasnt 3v3 so you could have mr atan for some absolute buffoonery
I get caught in that present special more times than I’d like to admit 😂
Yojirobe: "You know who else sounds like Muscle Man? My mom!"
Why is Yajirobe not banned? WTF?
Beautiful disaster. I hope they can patch it into being an actual competitive game
No way they're trying to bring the "couch with friends" balance philosophy and make it work over random matchmaking that they call "ranked".
Why not try BT3 and give the opinion of someone that played a lot of fighting games, but's new to arena, and say how this one fair to that without the nostalgic glasses. But maybe just I would like to see it xD
@@azuresaiyan9005No that’s a good thing, if it was 60 fps it would be a lot worse. It’s designed around 30.
@@ConductorElcrestthat doesn't make any sense
@@2Namii a lot of the mechanics require 30 frames to be more lenient. If it was 60 frames, certain techniques would only be executable in the time span of one frame. That’s why it’s important that it’s in 30 frames and why 60 frames is often not used in competitive tournaments. Ask any T3 player and they’ll tell you it’s a blessing.
@@ConductorElcrest it doesn't matter lol 30 fps just looks awful. I think that's all he's trying to say
@@2Namii I mean, it doesn’t look that bad.
Also the reason why I assumed they meant competitively is when people say it’s held back by 30 FPS they’re usually talking about gameplay wise too. It’s been a common complaint that I’ve seen a lot so that’s why it was my assumption.
I have no idea what's going on even 😂😂
Dragon Ball cheezparking ladies and gentleman!
Are the transformations transitioning to give the game less to process? Is that a feature or is that normal for online games?
How is the audio production and music in these videos so good?
I dont play fighting games, but i picked this up because I like DBZ
I genuinely dont understand all the people saying that this game is all cheese, or that not a competetive game. Every fighting game from what I have seen is just finding the cheese that people like and having a big name player call it 'top tier'.
Yajirobe needs nerfed though.
Honestly I can't be mad at people for using after image strike because the z counters and vanishes spam is ridiculous
Not trying to be that guy, but it really doesn't seem or feel that bad personally. People have short memories, do ya'll remember strives Sol Badguy on launch, or SF6 launch JP? Like yeah it needs work but every FG ranked sucks at launch
careful bro, red rank tekken 8 and gold rank sf6 players need to protect what little they got. Fighting games take a year~ until they don't suck absolute balls these days, and before "these days", fighting games weren't competitive and were full of cheesy bullshit.
In those games the issue was the character while for this the "issue" is the game itself.
There's always gonna be some cheese or jank in this game, and that's ok just doesn't make it viable competitively
@@OseiTheWarriors name 1 fighting game from before 2014 that wasn't fundamentally broken or "non-competitive" in some way. You can't. Whether a game is competitive or not is arbitrary and more or less up to the popularity of the game. Your acting like an elitist despite having no soapbox to really stand on.
shout out for removing the lvl3 animations
So this game is like BAD bad then, huh?
Competitively yeah probably, but as a game it's probably really good
vanish counter is so wack its unreal
Have plans to enter TNS Sparkling Zero this week, Diaphone?.
I don’t got time to stay up till 3am for a tournament to end 😂
The music in this awesome too lol
wtf did I just watch
His eyes while trying super counter are scary
He's locking in lol
ngl i'm looking forward to the sparking zero arc ending. this shit is straight cheeks bro, I'm sorry
jus say your bad at the game lil bro
@@Prod-Fresh how can u possibly be bad at this game lol
@@Prod-Fresh so because bro doesnt like the game he's bad ?
The Sparking Zero content is boring AF. Watching these fights is painful.
I loved playing bt3 and sparking zero is so much fun to play but yea im over it now because all i see online now is cheese... People running the clock instead of engaging and just plain ol boring after image strikes and yajirobi heals... People wanna win so bad, they'll do anything.
Vegeta oozaru going hyah hyah fuck it