I'm pretty knowledgeable of the character Hugo Danner. Marvel/Roy Thomas adapted the first half of the novel. For a Marvel Comics B & W magazine in Jan 77 Marvel Preview #9 Man-God/Titan/ Gladiator/Hugo Danner. The cover was painted by the late great Earl Norem. The interior story art was by Tony DeZuniga.
Doc Savage is pretty similar to Batman as well--both trained from childhood to be intellectually and physically peerless. Of course, more recently, such as in the Nolan films, people have moved Batman's training back to later in life, but generally speaking, Batman's origins have been that once Bruce Wayne sees his parent's murdered, he devotes himself with single-minded determination to become the ultimate crime-fighter. Both Doc Savage and Batman are similar to Sherlock Holmes as well, I think; the master intellect and master fighter/athlete in a single package.
No. 1) that was only in Nolan movies (in the same where Thomas tried to negotiate and talk to mugger instead of trying to punch him like in original comics version) In modern comics Bruce was trained from the start 2) in actual original training sequence in original comics we only see Bruce doing all that stuff as adult, he Could be doing it as a kid but it was never actually Shown, only Silver Age comics (alternative version) will show Bruce Wayne as a kid doing superhero stuff as Flying Fox when meeting Superboy (young Clark) and that was in universe reason why Batman has similar costume with trunks as Superman, and then in late 70s Bruce was also shown to be first Robin, while his father was first one to put on bat like costume (before getting killed later on)
There should be absolutely no doubt that Hugo Danner is the main source of inspiration for Superman. The novel hit the shelves in 1930. Siegal was an avid science fiction fan and must have read the book at some point over the next few years. He began to create his Superman in 1935. By the time he had the character and back story fleshed out he repeated many of the EXACT details in Wylie's novel. In particular in regards to Superman's abilities and how an ant can lift many times its weight and a grasshopper can jump vast distances. These exact same references were made by Wylie explaining Hugo's abilities. Here are the EXACT references: From Gladiator (1930): "When you were little more than a mass of plasm inside your mother, I put a medicine inside your blood that I had discovered. That medicine changed you. it altered the structure of your bones and muscles and nerves and blood. It made you into a different tissue from the weak fiber of ordinary people. Then-when you were born-you were strong. Did you ever watch an ant carry many times its weight? Or see a grasshopper jump 50 times its length?" The insects have better muscle and nerves than we have and I improved your body until it was relatively that strong. Can you understand that?" "Sure, I'm like a man made out of Iron instead of meat". From Action Comics #1: "Kent had come from a planet whose inhabitants physical structure was millions of years advanced of our own. Upon reaching maturity the people of his race became gifted with titanic strength. Incredible? No! For even today on our world exist creatures with super-strength. The lowly ant can support weight hundreds of times its own. The grasshopper leaps to man what would be the space of several city blocks." There can be no doubt that Siegal read the novel and took it from there. Wylie threatened a lawsuit in 1940 and Siegal of course denied ever reading the novel but I think it's pretty clear he had to. That's a lawsuit that Wylie would have won back then. Check out the history of the original Captain Marvel for proof of that. I've been waiting 40 years to see the story of Hugo Danner brought to life on the big screen and still cannot understand why it hasn't happened yet. I guess they feel there's not enough money to be made when the character is in the public domain.
*Siegel and he admitted it himself in unpublished Creation of a Superhero memoir written in the 70s. (You can find PDF on internets) And yeah National could easily be shitted by the means They sued that 1939 Superman ripoff and then sued Fawcett comics in 50s and now Captain Marvel "Shazam" is one of "their" characters. Hell, they could sue marvel for stealing Iron Man from Metalo, Metallo and Batman. Only reason they sued Fawcett was because Captain Marvel was more popular at that time than Superman and they even got Otto Binder from CM comics to write Superman (who himself basically admitted that he did exactly what they did on CM books) only for DC to soft reboot Superman in 70's by O Neil and others and then hard reboot in 80's and then.... A real nothing ever ends a true never ending battle of short sights and hypocrisy
And for why no one made it real : Because on the big scale live action Dr Manhattan and Snyder's Superman already did that troubles with super powers and also rivals have their own superheroes or just not interested in them. But there definitely might be. Then again, we live in a world where a big studio will sabotage its own movies and tell everyone they are g
What about The Scarlet Pimpernel by Baroness Emma Orczy. It invented the whole Secret Identity trope, Sir Percy Blakeney pretends to be incompetent but in secret he is The Scarlet Pimpernel, a daring expert swordsman saving people in France during the Reign of Terror.
Definitely, but Superman's double identity was influenced by Pimpernel's ripoff Zorro, especially Zorro movie which also was said to inspire Shuster, as did other Douglas Fairbanks movies. When you learn history of cape genre you notice that ripoffs are almost always more popular than original ones. Just like Black Bat is forgotten but Batman, Two Face and Daredevil are known. Even Viltrumites from Invincible concept of powerful race invincible to most threats but vulnerable to each other is actually how Superman's race was per Siegel (McClure Syndicate Newspaper Jor L and Superman #1)
You Alex Grand, you can find Creation of a Superhero unpublished memoir by Siegel from 70s , in it he admitted Gladiator influence. Off back in 40s he denied to not get shitted by a lawsuit. Superman may not be very original in terms of invincible hero concept, but it definitely Is originator of "super-hero", of dedicated ongoing to one character, of subverting the pre established concept (instead of guy that experience mostly dread with his powers original Superman ENJOYED them and enjoyed putting evil doers into grave or messing with someone's life (with good intentions) also because he had double identity (but only when he was in Metropolis, there are moments when Clark Kent shows powers and not even with people seeing them immediately dying), also Superman originated retcons. And evolution of super abilities. And by Superman I mean ofc Siegel. Because he created A LOT of blueprints, some were released, some where not but were definitely repurposed by people who heard about them. Even Iron Man is just a ripoff of Metalo, Metallo and Batman. Fun fact Superman also wore bat cape in 1936 drawings according to Shuster and "Bat-man" was in Dr Occult in 1937. And don't forget Bill Dunn Superman from 1933 Reign story, he had sort of telescopic vision before Clark Kent Superman gained ono. Superman #19 is also one of The first ever comics to play with comics as format itself and with idea writer as seen through the eyes of creation. There was also ghost writer of Siegel Bernard Kantor
I'm pretty knowledgeable of the character Hugo Danner. Marvel/Roy Thomas adapted the first half of the novel. For a Marvel Comics B & W magazine in Jan 77 Marvel Preview #9 Man-God/Titan/ Gladiator/Hugo Danner. The cover was painted by the late great Earl Norem. The interior story art was by Tony DeZuniga.
Doc Savage is pretty similar to Batman as well--both trained from childhood to be intellectually and physically peerless. Of course, more recently, such as in the Nolan films, people have moved Batman's training back to later in life, but generally speaking, Batman's origins have been that once Bruce Wayne sees his parent's murdered, he devotes himself with single-minded determination to become the ultimate crime-fighter. Both Doc Savage and Batman are similar to Sherlock Holmes as well, I think; the master intellect and master fighter/athlete in a single package.
No.
1) that was only in Nolan movies (in the same where Thomas tried to negotiate and talk to mugger instead of trying to punch him like in original comics version)
In modern comics Bruce was trained from the start
2) in actual original training sequence in original comics we only see Bruce doing all that stuff as adult, he Could be doing it as a kid but it was never actually Shown, only Silver Age comics (alternative version) will show Bruce Wayne as a kid doing superhero stuff as Flying Fox when meeting Superboy (young Clark) and that was in universe reason why Batman has similar costume with trunks as Superman, and then in late 70s Bruce was also shown to be first Robin, while his father was first one to put on bat like costume (before getting killed later on)
There should be absolutely no doubt that Hugo Danner is the main source of inspiration for Superman. The novel hit the shelves in 1930. Siegal was an avid science fiction fan and must have read the book at some point over the next few years. He began to create his Superman in 1935. By the time he had the character and back story fleshed out he repeated many of the EXACT details in Wylie's novel. In particular in regards to Superman's abilities and how an ant can lift many times its weight and a grasshopper can jump vast distances. These exact same references were made by Wylie explaining Hugo's abilities. Here are the EXACT references:
From Gladiator (1930): "When you were little more than a mass of plasm inside your mother, I put a medicine inside your blood that I had discovered. That medicine changed you. it altered the structure of your bones and muscles and nerves and blood. It made you into a different tissue from the weak fiber of ordinary people. Then-when you were born-you were strong. Did you ever watch an ant carry many times its weight? Or see a grasshopper jump 50 times its length?" The insects have better muscle and nerves than we have and I improved your body until it was relatively that strong. Can you understand that?" "Sure, I'm like a man made out of Iron instead of meat".
From Action Comics #1: "Kent had come from a planet whose inhabitants physical structure was millions of years advanced of our own. Upon reaching maturity the people of his race became gifted with titanic strength. Incredible? No! For even today on our world exist creatures with super-strength. The lowly ant can support weight hundreds of times its own. The grasshopper leaps to man what would be the space of several city blocks."
There can be no doubt that Siegal read the novel and took it from there. Wylie threatened a lawsuit in 1940 and Siegal of course denied ever reading the novel but I think it's pretty clear he had to. That's a lawsuit that Wylie would have won back then. Check out the history of the original Captain Marvel for proof of that.
I've been waiting 40 years to see the story of Hugo Danner brought to life on the big screen and still cannot understand why it hasn't happened yet. I guess they feel there's not enough money to be made when the character is in the public domain.
*Siegel and he admitted it himself in unpublished Creation of a Superhero memoir written in the 70s. (You can find PDF on internets)
And yeah National could easily be shitted by the means They sued that 1939 Superman ripoff and then sued Fawcett comics in 50s and now Captain Marvel "Shazam" is one of "their" characters.
Hell, they could sue marvel for stealing Iron Man from Metalo, Metallo and Batman. Only reason they sued Fawcett was because Captain Marvel was more popular at that time than Superman and they even got Otto Binder from CM comics to write Superman (who himself basically admitted that he did exactly what they did on CM books) only for DC to soft reboot Superman in 70's by O Neil and others and then hard reboot in 80's and then.... A real nothing ever ends a true never ending battle of short sights and hypocrisy
And for why no one made it real :
Because on the big scale live action Dr Manhattan and Snyder's Superman already did that troubles with super powers and also rivals have their own superheroes or just not interested in them.
But there definitely might be.
Then again, we live in a world where a big studio will sabotage its own movies and tell everyone they are g
Thank you for this very much. I've been a fan of Wylie for more than half a century.
I strongly recommend Gladiator.
What about The Scarlet Pimpernel by Baroness Emma Orczy. It invented the whole Secret Identity trope, Sir Percy Blakeney pretends to be incompetent but in secret he is The Scarlet Pimpernel, a daring expert swordsman saving people in France during the Reign of Terror.
The Scarlet Pimpernel is one of my favorite classic literature reads.
Definitely, but Superman's double identity was influenced by Pimpernel's ripoff Zorro, especially Zorro movie which also was said to inspire Shuster, as did other Douglas Fairbanks movies.
When you learn history of cape genre you notice that ripoffs are almost always more popular than original ones.
Just like Black Bat is forgotten but Batman, Two Face and Daredevil are known.
Even Viltrumites from Invincible concept of powerful race invincible to most threats but vulnerable to each other is actually how Superman's race was per Siegel (McClure Syndicate Newspaper Jor L and Superman #1)
Sidenote: Gladiator has been adapted a few times in the comics, primarily in DC Comics' the Young All Stars. Iron Munro is the son of Hugo Danner.
I could not agree more!
You Alex Grand, you can find Creation of a Superhero unpublished memoir by Siegel from 70s , in it he admitted Gladiator influence.
Off back in 40s he denied to not get shitted by a lawsuit.
Superman may not be very original in terms of invincible hero concept, but it definitely Is originator of "super-hero", of dedicated ongoing to one character, of subverting the pre established concept (instead of guy that experience mostly dread with his powers original Superman ENJOYED them and enjoyed putting evil doers into grave or messing with someone's life (with good intentions) also because he had double identity (but only when he was in Metropolis, there are moments when Clark Kent shows powers and not even with people seeing them immediately dying), also Superman originated retcons. And evolution of super abilities. And by Superman I mean ofc Siegel. Because he created A LOT of blueprints, some were released, some where not but were definitely repurposed by people who heard about them.
Even Iron Man is just a ripoff of Metalo, Metallo and Batman. Fun fact Superman also wore bat cape in 1936 drawings according to Shuster and "Bat-man" was in Dr Occult in 1937.
And don't forget Bill Dunn Superman from 1933 Reign story, he had sort of telescopic vision before Clark Kent Superman gained ono.
Superman #19 is also one of The first ever comics to play with comics as format itself and with idea writer as seen through the eyes of creation.
There was also ghost writer of Siegel Bernard Kantor
Gladiator actually sounds really interesting.
Aaaah!! your: "Well Helllooo!!" at the beginning! LOL!
Isaac Asimov: chess game / chess puzzle
Superman is a RIP off of gladiator 1930