Most UNDERRATED NBA Players & Kawhi Leonard Not Top 75!? | The Panel EP5
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- This Episode's Panel: Legend of Winning, TicketTV, Chltwn32, Sports Fluent, Marz, and Host Ron
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⌚Timestamps⌚
0:00 Show starts
6:25 Magic Johnson defense
13:25 Preseason talk
25:15 Kawhi top 75 player
53:20 will Ja Morant take another step forward?
1:01:45 Suns championship window closed?
1:04:00 does Ben Simmons make the Nets dangerous?
1:05:20 Nuggets serious title contenders?
1:20:00 Kobe 09/10 or LeBron 12/13
1:22:40 Warriors vs Spurs 2017
1:28:25 Kevin Durant praised too much?
1:30:55 can Ticket name 25 players that are better than KD?
1:55:55 Underrated players
2:05:05 Load management problems
2:14:10 Underrated players: part 2
2:24:45 Carmelo Anthony vs Draymond Green
2:30:10 Underrated players: part 3
2:38:25 Marz on James Wiseman
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I’ve never seen a dude be wrong for 2 hours straight. This is crazy lol. Ticket will get proven wrong and still argue that wrong point
Yes you have Dell
Ticket right alot, right about rudy melo, defo wrong about kawhi but he said due playing not ability
“I like dudes that got stuff in them” ticket 2022
Pause
@@s.o.l.e2902 yeah that was crazy 😆😂
Nah that’s actually wild😂😂
@@919Allmightythat's wild 🤨🤔
@@Dontresssmith3757 yes something as pause worthy as that is wild
Ticket is the kendrick perkins of youtube debate
💀💀💀 "Maxxx Maxxx, you got to stop doing that man!" LOW is a pretty logical and coherent bball fan, but Ticket's rètà**ation is so severe that it legit upsets and triggers LOW's logical patience. LOW legit snapped on Ticket's Kawhi not being top 75 take lmao. I can't fault him though.
He is a lot more entertaining than perk
More of a skip. Just making outlandish takes that make no sense
He not top 75
The absolute worst debater so many contradictions. Yet he says he be cooking.
I could listen to low and OG talk basketball all day
Love or hate him Ticket brings it every time he’s on the show 😂 you gotta love his passion and energy
It’s annoying tho
Nah sometimes it's not even entertaining. I thought it was funny at first, but like Low was sayin without sayin... He be sounding HELLA dumb sometimes.
M
fax but sometimes ticket just need to say he wrong lol
⌚Timestamps⌚
0:00 Show starts
6:25 Magic Johnson defense
13:25 Preseason talk
25:15 Kawhi top 75 player
53:20 will Ja Morant take another step forward?
1:01:45 Suns championship window closed?
1:04:00 does Ben Simmons make the Nets dangerous?
1:05:20 Nuggets serious title contenders?
1:20:00 Kobe 09/10 or LeBron 12/13
1:22:40 Warriors vs Spurs 2017
1:28:25 Kevin Durant praised too much?
1:30:55 can Ticket name 25 players that are better than KD?
1:55:55 Underrated players
2:05:05 Load management problems
2:14:10 Underrated players: part 2
2:24:45 Carmelo Anthony vs Draymond Green
2:30:10 Underrated players: part 3
2:38:25 Marz on James Wiseman
🐐 as mf
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Y’all gotta pay this man
Thank you I definitely appreciate it! 👍
W mans
Just got off work at 11PM and got a 6 hour turn till my next shift. This show made my day. Keep up the great work fellas. Love to all of y’all.
Tickets Jokic take was wild! Jokic went to the WCF. He loses his 2nd and 3rd best player's, he wins back to back MVP'S taking his team to the playoffs (not play in teams) without them for two years! That's putting the team on your shoulder's, he should be one of tickets favorite players. He didn't run or make excuses, he put his head down and balled out. C'mon Ticket!
Joker and Murray came back twice from 3-1 down as underdogs against the Jazz and the Clippers. They were so clutch in that 2020 playoff run. I don't understand Ticket's logic, but who really does besides Kobe stans? He's just a casual raw raw eye test fan. Ticket is like Skip Bayless, if he don't see that "dog" in you, he will dismiss a player's greatness. I trust Joker in big playoff games with a healthy Nuggets team, I trust him just based off his high basketball IQ and phenomenal low post scoring ability. He has so many different moves and showed great poise in the 2020 playoffs.
Saying Kawhi not top75 when he’s top20-40
somewhere is hilarious Ticket.
He’s averaging 29, 9, 5, 2, 1 on 51/39/88 in last playoffs since 2017!
He’s injured a lot for sure, but he’s one of the most efficient best 2 way players ever when healthy from 2016-17 to 2020-21.
Del is a clown for his Reggie Miller hate. 16th all time in Win Shares. Averaged 24, 3, 3, 1 on 46/41/89 from 1990-2002 playoffs. Top25 in most 30+ point playoff games ever. Top5-10 most clutch ever. Never played with any other legit prime Top75, HOF or even multiple time all star and lead team to 4 ECF and finals. Gave Shaq/Kobe toughest finals in 3peat by far (outplayed Kobe and Pacers outscored Lakers overall in that series) and also were up 13 in game 7 of 1998 ECF Vs MJ Pippen.
Del and Shaq said Grant Hill > Larry Bird 🤣
Agree Ja Morant not MVP and Grizz take step back, but Grizzlies 20-5 without him not 20-2 last year.
Fluent saying “Ayton stinks” is just flat out lie. Nets mental strength and health I question a lot, but Nets talented roster is def top5-7 in NBA and a top5 favorite for a reason.
“I don’t trust joker in the biggest biggest moments.” He literally averages 26, 11, 6, 1-2, 1 on 51/40/84 in the playoffs! Embiid efficiency sucks, Joker has been amazing in playoffs he just hasn’t had healthy teammates recently!
Del you’re wrong 94-95 Hakeem Rockets with Clyde and great 3P shooters wash Bulls without Grant/Rodman. 93-94 with MJ they win though with Grant and no Clyde on Rockets.
LeBron 12/13 was absolutely > Kobe in 08-09 09-10. It’s not close. He was MVP both years. Pau had more Win Shares then Kobe in 09-10 playoffs. Does Mars live in SF or UK. “We”when talking about Warriors? “How Stafford is the deck if we add KD”? You out of your mind they were 140-24 without him and favored to win 2017🏆without him. Him joining Warriors weakest move in the history of sports. LOW and Marz sleeping on Moses Malone is embarrassing.
Those dudes never named Jerry West or Bill Russell when Ticket was trying to name players ahead of KD is embarrassing. I have Durant top10-20 tier, but the lack of respect for Russell & West is shocking. Jerry West good one of the illest ever!
From Tickets logic, he should be a CEO of a company cuz I swear this dude loves the grind and putting in work. Putting in work and loosing can’t compare to someone injured but when healthy is winning
He won't tell the full truth
@@Dontresssmith3757 so he would make a perfect CEO.
You sound like a hater. Hell he might be a CEO.
@@gideon7932 Oh nah LMAOOO
Man I would love to be on the panel 😂😂 these dudes lit 🔥
Marz need to be a regular on this show!
He barely speaks cmon now
ticket logic be killin me
I think the Panel has overtaken the PC show as the best show of the channel. To me it more in my alley with the knowledge that Chltwn32, Fluent and LOW brings. And also Ticket is funny as hell.
Easily
I prefer hearing everybody give there opinion then hearing ticket yapping for excessive amounts of time.
I understand Tickets argument about Kawhi based on the fact he went to good teams. At the end of the day he accomplished too much to not be a top 75
Yes but that Raps team needed him and every player needs a good team to win a chip. So why kill him when every chip requires a good team? You would rather he lose? Hell the spurs team also needed him. Just look at what he did while he played there and It was all good things regardless of teamates, regardless of winning
@@ScottieDPOYY no I agree. Hell if you take every one of tickets arguments, you can literally use that same argument against something he’s said previously.
@@ScottieDPOYY Ticket doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Other than Dirk and Hakeem, most NBA champions since the Showtime Lakers n Birds Celtics started in the 80s requires 2 or more perennial all star/all nba performers to win ships.
Thank you we can’t punish these guys for being in successful situations makes no sense they controlled what they could control all the way to greatness and to the best of their field
If Anthony Davis top 75 Kawhi DEFINITELY top 75!
8:15 when we talk about guarding 5 positions, I always go to Dennis Rodman, he would guard Magic Johnson a PG, Michael Jordan a SG, Larry Bird or Scottie Pippen who were SF, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Tim Duncan at the PF and also the likes of Shaq, Hakeem at center.
Rodman, Garnett, and AD
@@InDatOneBag I just dont remember Garnett guarding PGs that much. The reason I went with Dennis Rodman because in his Detroit years, he would be tasked by Chuck Daly to guard the oppositions best offensive player, no matter the position
These kids don't know how good Dennis Rodman was. He literally guarded 1-5. Gave Shaq that work
Evan Mobley up next
The Worm is the most versatile defender ever, he is my primary 1 thru 5 defender in my mind. He guarded Shaq in the low post and stood his ground. Shaq feared playing against the Worm because he knew it was going to be a dog fight and a mental battle. Rodman had strong basketball IQ and played serious shenanigans with opposing players throughout his career. The Worm was the ultimate pest.
MARZ FINALLY ON THE PANEL YESSIR , BEST PANELIST!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hell no is disrespect for melo is asinine
Bruh no. That man ticket bring entertainment to the show😂in my opinion I like him the best🤟🏾💪🏾
@@Bamaboyss lmaooo
@@woohmoney4295 facts, he has no credibility at all.
51:21 damn LOW just exploded🤣🤣 and Marz with the amzing expression🤣
Pause
He gon catch a heart attack
That shit had me crying 💀
Great show fellas. This the best panel on the panel lol
Ticket is on a timer every 30 mins: "I'm sick of praising u dudes praising guys that stacked the deck."
Ticket got cooked, badly …..
I can’t stand ticket
That’s normal 😂
He a joke charging money just to chat on his channel
He got Fried extra crispy 😆😂
The kd take was insane
59:11 Ticket thumping his desk to make a point is funny🤣
Ticket isnt capable of applying his logic consistently across the board. Once you poke holes in his logic like how Low did about Moses forming his own superteam, rather than Ticket treating Moses the same way he does KD, he short-circuits and no longer has anything relevant to say. All the players “back in the day” are invincible and could do no wrong, theres no consistency. Its okay if youre biased ticket, just admit it that youre biased, its easy
Moses didn't create a superteam the GMs did their job back then
@@mr.perfect1749 Regardless if he wanted it or not, the effect was the same. They were a superteam, and he joined a team that was a finals contender witnout him. And I guarantee if he had any doubts for whatever reason (he didnt) when going to Philly, he was more than happy that the deck was stacked for him to win a title is the point
@@mr.perfect1749 Its the same argument that Ticket would use against Kawhi, who didnt even want to go to Toronto. Except Toronto wasnt even a superteam with him or a finals contender without him
@@mr.perfect1749 Moses held out on the Houston Rockets and forced them to trade him to only a few easterm conference destinations. These are just the facts. So yeah Philly's management made the trade, but diva antics to get out of bad situations existed then as well.
Great show guys. I love the content
Tickets problem is that he lets outside factors determine a player's ability. A player's ability is not diminished because he doesn't play 82 games. Also Kawhi is a top 75 player whether he wins or not. It's not about whether you won a championship or not it's how good were you in your prime as a player.
You can't be impactful if you don't play games, so yes you have to play games in order to be considered a great player. Kawhi is top 75 btw
Kawhi is top 75 but his point is actually valid. If you’re only playing 50% of your teams games how the hell can that compare with guys that are similar skill playing 75+ games a year. A guy not being able to stay healthy destroys a team.
Kobe back to back was better his playoff run was better imo because I felt like he went threw better competition and evenly matched competition.
The fact the heat went 7 against IND WAS actually a bad look.
That was a matchup problem. The Heat with Bron never had a true center.
So if you look at the 4 year stretch. Every team with a big gave them probles. The Celtics, the Pacers toy Hibbert was actually decent.
The Spurs with Duncan and Slplitter gave them problems.
Size has always effect Lebron James teams.
Cause if you have a good big he’s hesitate to go to the paint.
Tyson Chandler was a great defensive big for the Mavs he did want to drive the ball.
Think the only Lebron team to ever win a chip with bigs.20/20 Lakers.
They had Davis, Howard and McGee taking turns on Joker.
Also 2016 once Bogut went out. It was a Layup line for Lebron. 2008/09 Dwight Howard in his Prime Beats them another great Big.
2015 Bogut.
2021. Ayton after Davis goes Down.
And Kobe did it through the tough West. Something that fraud wouldn't be able to do with Pau Gasol as his 2nd option.
@@PraiseThaDon 🤣🤣🤣agreed
@@PraiseThaDon You called him a fraud? 🤣
Love this panel, all 7 of these folks
Marz talked about Wiseman like he’s Kwame Brown 💀💀💀
2000s was the best era balanced.
Best show out there
They all forgot that Kawhi's rookie season was the lockout-shortened 66 game 2011-12 season. He only missed 2 out of 66 games.
Does anyone realize a man who scored more points than anyone in the 1980’s was Hall of Famer Alex English of the Denver nuggets.
Man scored 25,000 points, 6500 rebounds and had 4300 assists over 15 years.
And was not 75 all time.
He played for a team that let the other team score as a strategy, they played no defense all offense. They are empty numbers.
@@Fayn757he led his team to a 45 win avg for 9 straight seasons.
He had 5 first round exits. 2 semis exits and one conference finals exit.
Doug Moe was the coach and it was his system.
His career averages were 21.5ppg 3.5 assists and 5.5 Rebs.
His career playoffs were 24.4 4.3 assists and 5.5 Rebs he also shot 50.8 for his career from the field. And 50.6 for his career playoffs.
Unlike James Harden his career stats went up in the playoffs.
Alex was a bad man.
I just wish he got a little more appreciation for what he did.
Lastly from 80/81 to 90/91 the man played no less than 79 games.
Come on bro come on.
@@messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011 you right I admit that
That got you on this one Ticket
2018 LBJ 51 point game was in large part similar to AI 48 point game 1. LA and GS wasn’t really locked in game 1.
Both teams was locked in stop it it’s the finals not the first round lol imagine not being locked in in the nba finals
Wasn’t locked in but they were in the finals???
Championship round and not being locked in is insane.
Ticket acting like Kawhi didn't hit arguably the greatest shot of all time to even get to that 2019 finals 💀😂
Marz love some Draymond Green 😂😂😂
Wasn't there an interview with Kobe asked about KD. Kobe said KD might be the most dangerous player of all time, the only reason Kobe was able to guard him was because KD couldn't go left yet ...
Man ticket will just ignore the fact, just like he did with the Moses malone take
He didn't say he was the most dangerous of all time. He said he is the guy he never figured out how to stop before he retired (after he learnt how to go left).
Kobe would never say all time when he never played against the older players.
2:17:05 tickets facial expression had me dyyyyyinnnng 💀
love the herb jones take
I never seen this show but I think I recognize a voice, is “LOW” Legend Of Winning ?? Haven’t heard him in a little cause I been busy but I’m tuning in from now on if my boy on here regularly
If your Super Chat didn’t get answered is it gonna get address next week orrrrrrr?
Almost 3 hours of podcast but, without ticket this will be done in 1 hour 🤣
He is the life of this shit he is the only reason I watch well him and marz
Ticket takes in this episode is outraaageous
58:25 Del just went through that entire argument just to agree with the entire panel🙎♂️
for 2 hours straight. This is crazy lol. Ticket
33:00 I dont want to hear that excuse for Kawhi joining the Raptors. Now all of a sudden the Raptors were this good team. But back in 2018 when the trade happened, everybody thought that the Raptors upgraded, because they thought Demar DeRozan cannot be the main player for a championship caliber team. Yes they were 17-5 in the regular season but everyone knew that they needed Kawhi to have any shot of doing anything in the playoffs. They beat the 76ers who had more talent and was 2-1 up at one point, came back from down 2-0 to beat Milwaukee 4-2.
And even without Kevin Durant everybody still expected the Warriors to beat the Raptors in 5 games. I think only Jalen Rose picked the Raptors to win prior to the series beginning. And yeah people talk about Klay Thompson getting hurt in Game 6 but even with Klay going off that Game 6 was still close. And the Raptors beat them with Klay in Game 1 and 4. And I could argue that the series does not go to 6 games because the Raptors were up like 4 points with a minute to go in Game 5 but then Nick Nurse called an ill-advised timeout which gave the Warriors time to regroup and steal that game by one point. And they needed those 12 points that Durant scored in Game 5 before his Achilles snapped or else the Raptors might have blown them out in Game 5.
Facts and when he got traded there everybody was like "OMG pop is cold blooded he sent him to another country " mfs be making revisionist history , 76ers and Bucks were favorite to come out the east that year.
Wasn’t Iverson on Denver in 2006
51:18 - THE FUNNIEST PART 🤣
Low had me crying 😂
Did y’all see Del get put in the shadow realm for a second and he looked around like wtf!! 😂
37:18 so what? Kawhi had one averaging 27 but he averaged 24-26 PPG in 3 other years. Like what does that even mean Ticket? And also Kawhi Leonard actually improved his scoring in the playoffs from the regular season from the 2014-15 season. He has averaged of over 20 PPG since the 2015 season and from the 2017 season it has been 27.7, 30.5, 28.7 and 30.4 in the 2016/17, 2018/19, 2019/20 and 2020/21 seasons respectively.
1:22:31 "Okay!"🤣🤣🤣
ticket can never be taken off this show 😂 he’s the best
I was so happy when I thought this episode was Ticket free.
59:28 Fluent laughing and Marz at 1:00:19 is my expression through this entire episode when Ticket was talking🤣🤣🤣
The 4000th Time : "I'm tired of u dudes praising guys for stacking the deck"
1:57:39 Del is actually worse than Ticket. It is as if he is deliberately doing that to troll people
1:53:20 yo LOW dont do Ron Harper like that🤣
1:04:37 damn Ticket🤣🤣
If I rob a millionaire for all their money, I’m still a millionaire now no matter how I got that money 🤷🏾♂️
1:06:48 "I like dudes who got that stuff in them" what stuffs Ticket?🤣
Im convinced Ticket just hate anybody thats not from the 90’s and earlier 😂😂
I can’t wait til KD win a chip in Brooklyn, the disrespect on KD is ABSURD!! …KD is no lower than 12
It's really hilarious how serious ticket be nd he be wrong 🤣🤣🤣
😭😭del funny as’l man
MARZ ON THE PANEL?!?!? Let’s go!!!
Ticket, Kawhi is a top 75 and i personally believe he is top 30 due to the run he had in Toronto and he didn't even want to be there.
Mars ifwy the long way but ain't no way I'm hell Draymond is a top 35 player in the NBA today, tbh I would have a hard time putting him top 50
Ticket is the reason why cuz you play the game doesn’t always mean you know the game
Chill and marz the best duo🐐x🐐
Last year I saw the Lakers put Russell westbrook on Rudy Gobert. Does that mean Russ can guard 1-5?
1:29:15. I like the 2 guys call out ticket on the KD Take. No different than Shannon sharpe who is well known for taking shots at KD, but when he decide to stay…. Shannon think KD is great enough to lead a team to a title.
So Ticket despite don’t believe, why he cares if he has to win…..
Cause he low key rooting for him to
dude on bottom middle and LOW have the best takes out of this panel
No matter what don't break up the big 3 low ticket & the og I'm subscribing
4:27 What Chill said there is not wrong to be honest. Because from like the 1998/99 to the 2003/04 season, it was not a good time for the NBA. Too much heroball going around, some of the playoff series especially in the East was not that fun to watch with scores in the high 60s and in the 70s. But in terms of talent level, the 2000s was a great era.
😮😮😮😮 shot fire
Klay actually had a great offensive season last year. Him and Steph was not as accurate as usual
Also if Jordan doesn’t Retire Grant doesn’t leave
Thank god LOW and Mars bout time
Low’s face at 2:09:46😂
1:19:48 omg Fluent that was so bad🤣
The Moses argument isn't really the same and I get where ticket is coming from.
the golden days of pc😢
Chamberlain, Russell, Jabbar, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Steph, LeBron, KG, Barkley, Oscar, Hakeem, Shaq, David Robinson, Jerry West, Wade, Chris Paul, Barkley, Kobe.
Those guys are the ones that I think I could personally make a legitimate argument in favor of over Durant without resorting to being intellectual dishonest. Not saying others can’t make a legit argument for others, but for me, I can’t put anyone else above Durant. And I personally have him as a top 15 player, but can see good arguments for all those above guys ahead of Durant.
ngl I’m rocking wit Ticket way more for standing his ground against dang near the whole stream.
Also, I feel current players should be able to work themselves into the top 75 and work themselves out if their play falls off enough.
If I were to rank eras from worst to best: 50s, 70s, 60s, 2010s, 2020s, 00s, 90s, 80s
2010s on top
1:26:41 well they did not sweep the conference in 2018
Magic could guard a stiff at 5 or a stiff at 4. Magic couldn't guard Bird or McHale or Parish.
Shouts to you to Ron
4:10 I would say
7. 1950s
6. 1970s
5. 1960s
4. 2010s (strictly because I did not like the early part of the 2010s. Like from the 2010/11 to the 2013/14 season, I thought the talent pool was not that great as LOW eluded to in one of his videos)
3. 1980s
2. 1990s
1. 2000s. (you have the old guard of Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, John Stockton, David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon at their end, you had the current crop of Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowtizki etc coming into their own with lots of variation in styles. And then you have the newer generation of LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard entering the picture as well)
2010s best era for me
The Indiana pacers with PG were good but the lakers played the Deron Williams/AK47/Carlos Boozer Jazz, Tmac/Yao/Artest/Battier rockets, and Melo/Chauncey/K mart/JR smith Nuggets in 2009.
2010: OKC Utah and then Phoenix
If a guy can’t shoot but handle and play point you want him on the ball on in the action as much as possible because off ball he can’t shoot you just leave him open and double off him. In the action he draws some gravity which is key 🔑. This is about Ben Simmons
I’m sorry I never had no debate 2 or 3 years ago on who was better AD or Greek that was all LBJ fans
thats why u use him as a screener for ur scorers like a kyrie or kd so if they trap u got ben who can playmake and pass in a 4v3 where he doesnt need to create an advantage he can just capitalise off one already created
@@marz__1up158 right I’m saying keep him in the action weather screener or being the ball handler. Off ball he dead weight. Unless he literally just sands by the box/ Dunker spot
This will be The Nets issue hopefully they keep it simple like we saying and not complicate it
@@Tonyoung55 oh yeah i agree with u they cant have him away from the action especially w claxton in the game
@@marz__1up158 with Claxton they dead 💀 makes no sense to play them together they should trade Claxton
@@Tonyoung55 they gotta just get rid of nash imo
So Kawhi AND KD gotta win a ring this year smh ticket is a joke
We had 5 different champions in the 2000s. N it was a bunch of great players
Dude on the bottom looks like lance Stephenson
🤣🤣
KD underrated? That's crazy 🤣
More KD disrespect smh. He’s better than your favorite player. Ticket talking about he got swept last year when he was saying all of this before hands
I was wrong about ticket, while i may disagree he’s consistent on his distaste for players getting credit for going to great situations and winning with his kawhi take
Lol facts
he still doesn't make sense tho if he's knocking Kawhi for being drafted into great situations then Kobe and Magic should get the same energy. And the man flip flops between his arguments in another panel show he was praising Kawhi for winning so he can win a debate on why Duncan wasn't more valuable to winning Magic but now Kawhi being drafted into the Spurs hurts Kawhi now???
@@qupope6955 I was more speaking to how on the surface it seems he only has issues with a lebron instead of everyone
I already know ticket gone say sum dumb
The Ja take is so disgusting. We played the worst teams in the league and teams without their best players. Maybe 6 games were respectable wins, everything else were honestly suppose to be one.
Ticket is something else.
Give that guy a map
AD, Rodman & Bam can cover all positions.